ElectrolyteWave files have a pop at the end of the file, and sound events when played will increase in volume randomly.12:09
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ElectrolyteVolume problem doesn't come up in amaroK and XMMS - wave popping comes up in amaroK but not XMMS.12:09
ElectrolyteOnly XMMS seems to be running correctly.12:10
kubuntu_tester_fdoving: can I change the repositories now or do I need to leave the uk link?12:10
fdovingkubuntu_tester_: please change back.12:10
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fdovingnow i'm off to bed for real (the 3rd. time)12:11
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jottElectrolyte: you might check http://alsa.opensrc.org/ for your soundcard for common problems..12:11
ElectrolyteAlready taken a look.12:12
ElectrolyteCan't see anything for the problems I have.12:12
ElectrolyteI used to get this problem on OSS in Red Hat 9, which is why I asked how to force ALSA for the system.12:12
ElectrolyteUpdating to KDE 3.5.2 in SUSE10 stops the problems.12:12
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nikkunelectrolyte: try running the aoss comamnd before the name as he stated earlier12:13
ElectrolyteCommand for what though? I'm not trying to run anything.12:13
jottElectrolyte: as i stated .. applications that use oss can be redirected to alsa using aoss .. but your problems seems to lie elswehere..12:13
wordthanks for the quick help guys got kinda nervous with x not starting up ><12:14
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nikkunthat x thing is bad >.< im just happy i didnt restart my comp today12:14
ElectrolyteIt's not problems with OSS that I'm having problems with -_-12:14
ElectrolyteNone of my programs use OSS.12:14
ElectrolyteIt's the event audio system.12:15
jottElectrolyte: you played around with buffer settings?12:15
ElectrolyteYes, they're at 8MS and even with hardware buffer enabled.12:15
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jott8ms? i got 232ms here (which seems to be the default)12:16
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ElectrolyteI've got a more than fast enough PC & sound card for 8MS.12:16
ElectrolyteI've tried Threaded Open Sound System, which I need 23MS for or it sounds bad and I still get the same problem.12:17
BAscheAnybody into kdm?12:17
BAscheI desperately need help12:17
reddwolfis there a way to get the dvb part of the kaffeine player working12:17
jottElectrolyte: but.. if you increase the value to like 232ms it works? ;)12:17
ElectrolyteThat isn't the problem I'm having!"12:18
ElectrolyteBuffer isn't the problem.12:18
ElectrolyteIt's volume increasing on event sounds for no apparent reason and wave files popping at the very end.12:18
ElectrolyteThreaded open sound system does the same thing, so does OSS.12:18
nikkunreddwolf: did you follow the part in the documentation to enable DVDs?12:18
ElectrolyteXMMS via ALSA doesn't.12:18
pascalI write "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but then I have to answer a lot of questions. Is there no way to autodetect all this?12:19
ElectrolyteamaroK only has one of the problems, the wave files.12:19
reddwolfi can run dvd np12:19
reddwolfbut what a about the dvb12:19
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reddwolfor is that part of the dvd12:19
nikkunreddwolf: oh im sorry i thought you said dvd >.,12:20
reddwolfits ok12:20
pascaldvb is as far as I know digital TV righ?12:20
jottElectrolyte: and aplay cracks too?12:21
reddwolfi have have digital cabel would that work on it12:21
pascalreddwolf... I suppose if you have some sort of hardware reciever12:21
BAschepascal: dvb: digital video broadcasting. two common ways: terrestrial (dvb-t) via satellite (dvb-s)12:22
reddwolfi have a digital box the cable company gave me12:22
jottElectrolyte: simple cmdline util to play wave files via alsa12:22
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pascalreddwolf yeah. but I doubt it plugs into your computer... They don't like people recording their stuff ;-)12:23
nikkunjott: it sounds like its fine in XMMS and he is trying to find a way to use other GUI audio players12:23
reddwolfthat sucks12:23
BAschejust trying it again: i need help with kdm.12:23
Electrolytenikkun - mostly to fix the sound event problem.12:23
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ElectrolyteIt's annoying when a file gets played at a high volume.12:23
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Electrolytejott - aplay is fine.12:24
ElectrolyteWave files play absolutely fine.12:24
jottElectrolyte: hm ok..12:24
ElectrolyteNo volume errors either.12:24
jottso i assume you use xine as Amarok engine?12:24
ElectrolyteI just set the sound system to use aplay for events.12:25
ElectrolyteNow it's fine :|12:25
ElectrolyteExcept for ogg files.12:25
ElectrolyteIt doesn't support them :(12:25
ElectrolyteOtherwise wave files don't pop and don't contain the volume error.12:26
bernardohi!! how are you?? pls help me!! i dont know how to run Counter Strike 1.612:26
ElectrolyteSo I'm pretty stuck.12:26
bernardohi!! how are you?? pls help me!! i dont know how to run Counter Strike 1.612:26
[GuS] bernardo, with cedega :P12:26
[GuS] one time is enought bernardo ...12:27
jottElectrolyte: yes sounds really strange... mhmh12:27
bernardoi did that with wine... but i dont know how to enter to the game12:27
nikkunbernardo: you can ask in wines channel #wine ?12:27
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DaSkreech!info libkrb5-dev12:30
ubotulibkrb5-dev: Headers and development libraries for MIT Kerberos. In component main, is extra. Version 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 631 kB, installed size 2284 kB12:30
BAschedoes anybody know where to configure kdm's resolution?12:30
DaSkreech!info libkadm5512:31
ubotulibkadm55: MIT Kerberos administration runtime libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 161 kB, installed size 416 kB12:31
ElectrolyteWell jott, I'll have to continue just using wave files for system events :/12:31
nikkunBAsche: isnt it the same as your defualt resolution inside?12:31
ElectrolyteUnless there is some other small program that can be used.12:31
ElectrolyteAny clues on that?12:31
BAschenikkun: unfortunately not and i don't know where to look12:31
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apallo19does that package make kerberos work on dapper?12:32
BAschenikkun: the phyisical resolution is the same, but not the virtual12:32
nikkunBAsche: System Settings>Display12:32
ElectrolyteDoes anyone know of a small player like aplay that supports Ogg and wave files and can be used from command line?12:32
ElectrolyteI can't use the KDE sound system due to a couple of bugs :/12:33
BAschenikkun: I edited my xorg.conf manually12:33
nikkunBAsche: that should show you the options you have from the file12:34
BAschenikkun: I had a weird configuration with a big virtual screensize. after disabling that kdm kept the settings12:34
jottElectrolyte: alsaplayer-text pops in my mind12:35
ElectrolyteHmm ok.12:35
jottElectrolyte: ( alsaplayer --interface text filename )12:35
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BAschenikkun: nothing solving that problem there :-(12:35
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nikkunBAsche: hmm well i dont know enough about KDM sorry12:36
Electrolytejott: alsaplayer command not found :(12:36
BAschenikkun: thank you very much anyway12:36
jottElectrolyte: aptitude install alsaplayer-text ;)12:36
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tackatplease vote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9835380873.html12:37
tackatAnd tell them they should include Kubuntu as a separate item next time ;)12:37
Electrolytejott - that works well, but it only plays one at a time :(12:39
ElectrolyteIs there an option to get it to play multiple times?12:39
ElectrolyteOtherwise the bugs are gone.12:39
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jotthmm --session-name with some random argument? don't know never used it for that ;)12:40
ElectrolyteI wonder if there is any other player.12:41
ElectrolyteBecause this one is working fine.12:41
ElectrolyteNo wave problem and the volume bug is gone.12:41
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ElectrolyteJust that only one sound can be played at a time.12:41
misieqwhy would a partition on my disk appear as "unusable" during graphic installation of 6.06?12:41
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nikkunmisieq: do you have windows on a partition?12:42
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misieqi do have windows but not on thtat partition, neither   that disk12:43
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bigmarCus_what is the proper way to mount a NTFS share on a ubuntumachine if the share is sbm://
nikkunmisieq hmm that is odd...12:43
misieqand i can't make a change with partiton magic too12:43
nikkuncould the drive be dying?12:44
jottElectrolyte: maybe you could ask in #kde and #amarok or #xine as it seems to be a kde/xine issue...12:44
h3sp4wnbigmarCus_: smbmount ??12:44
ElectrolyteHmm ok.12:44
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: maybe sudo smbmount // /mnt/somedir12:45
misieqnikkun: it just hit me... it could be i was trying to create 5th primary partition... could this be the solution?12:45
bigmarCus_atkaaz: it doesnt work12:45
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: could use 'mouse' instead of 'smbmount'12:45
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: 'mount' sorry12:45
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: what does it say?12:45
nikkunmisieq: you cant make  a 5th primary you have to use a extened and make a logical to get a 5th mount12:45
misieqyeah, that's what i'm talking about12:46
nikkun5th partion*12:46
nikkunmisieq: yah that would be why probably12:46
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/14532512:46
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AtKaaZnikkun: could it be that they are in another order? ie. the 5th partition is actually in the 3rd location(thus on MBR)12:46
misieqjust didn't see that at first :) so i think the problem's solved (hence i can't check it right now)12:46
misieqanyway, thanks ;)12:47
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nikkunAtKaaZ: im pritty sure spost 1-4 are primary and 5+ are logical12:47
kaz3hey, i'm trying to access 'add/remove programs' but it comes back with 'Su returned with an error'. Anybody know what the problem is?12:48
AtKaaZnikkun: ayt but i seem to remember using cfdisk and fdisk and ended up with some 7th or 8th partition ie. hda7,hda8 being one of the 2nd and 3rd in MBR12:49
nikkunAtKaaZ: wait how do you mean they are 2nd and 3rd on the MBR?12:50
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' on one term then try mount again; look at that term and paste what u see (relevant to this)12:50
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: ok12:50
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linuxkid2anyone know how to remote login to the Kubuntu box from windows box on LAN? I tried XDMCP with Xming and it isn't working.12:51
AtKaaZnikkun: well, like MBR can hold 4 partitions, usually hda1,2,3,4 but if u delete ie. hda2 and 3, (in some context, not just this) and create some more u'll get hda5 and hda6 put in their place, like hda1,5,6,4 on MBR (seem to remember this,but can't reproduce it now)12:52
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bigmarCus_AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/14533612:52
nikkunAtKaaZ: that is odd lol12:52
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AtKaaZnikkun: i guess cfdisk does that, puts them in some odd order, and wind0ws used to fsck up my partitions when used to modify them12:53
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: k, nothing relevant there; let's try with 2 terms each with 'tail -f /var/log/debug' and 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' _then_ try to mount that again12:54
linuxkid2anyone know how to remote login to the Kubuntu box from windows box on LAN? I tried XDMCP with Xming and it isn't working.12:54
Kyral_Laptoplinuxkid2: just use VNC12:54
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bigmarCus_AtKaaZ: marc@ubuntu:~$ sudo  mount -t ntfs -o username=administrator,password=marCus2525 /mnt/mp3/12:55
bigmarCus_mount: special device does not exist12:55
Kyral_LaptopbigmarCus_: wtf?12:55
linuxkid2How does VNC work? Are there free Windows clients?12:56
ubotuvnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.12:56
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Kyral_LaptopbigmarCus_: what are you trying to do?12:56
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: btw, do a 'sudo modprobe smbfs'  and a 'grep smbfs /proc/filesystems' and see if u get a line like 'nodev smbfs' then try again to mount?!12:56
AtKaaZKyral_Laptop: to mount a smb share :)12:57
bigmarCus_same thing12:57
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: did u forget the two / in front of 192.168 ? or they were stripped when u pasted?12:58
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: nope12:58
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: I can browse to the share via firefox12:58
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: so, lemme get this str8 that share is what? NTFS? you actually shared it with Properties->Sharing on the dir right?12:59
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fyyrest0rmcan anyone help me out with a wine installation problem?01:00
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: Yes I named the share on my ntfs partion on my windows server "mp3"01:00
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: i wasn't aware firefox can browse those shares, but konqueror does01:00
bigmarCus_I can mount the share with Places->Connect to Server01:01
bigmarCus_But I can't access the mp3's with Amarok01:01
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bigmarCus_So I have to create a Mount point for the mp3 directory01:01
linuxkid2Is VNC fast over Fast Ethernet?01:02
bigmarCus_if the ethernet is fasty yes01:02
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linuxkid2It's 100. Is there some way to test the speed?01:03
h3sp4wnthat is not going to test the ethernet speed though01:03
h3sp4wnuse netperf or something01:03
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: use smbfs instead of ntfs in that command01:03
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bigmarCus_I get that same mount error01:04
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: can u paste the command and the error in the paste bin please (i need to make sure)01:05
bigmarCus_AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/14535001:06
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: do this and tell me if u see a 0 or a 1: grep smbfs /proc/filesystems ;echo $?01:08
bigmarCus_AtKaaZ: http://pastebin.ca/14535201:09
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: btw, u missed the '?' :) doesn't matter now; seems ok, i don't get it, could it be the codepage ? what language u have set in windows i wonder, english?01:11
bigmarCus_haha ya english01:11
bigmarCus_its a Domain Controller01:11
bigmarCus_Dont know if that would matter.01:11
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: ok, try sharing a different folder, no spaces in name, and put no password :)01:12
AtKaaZthen try and mount it01:12
caraquerHello everybody!!!!!!!!!!!01:12
AtKaaZhello caraquer01:13
caraquerSomebody have a tutorial for the instalation of apenoffice in a amd64??01:14
caraqueror a good link??01:14
AtKaaZcaraquer:  installing in (k)ubuntu ?01:15
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caraqueryes in Kubuntu 6.0601:15
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: ok I have it now :)01:15
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: install packages: smbfs , samba-common  (maybe just the first is enough)01:16
AtKaaZcaraquer: why not use adept to install openoffice.org package ?01:17
AtKaaZbigmarCus_: well smbfs depends on samba-common :) so just install the first it'll autoselect the other01:18
ubotusmbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 369 kB, installed size 888 kB01:18
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AtKaaZcaraquer: or u could try sudo apt-get install openoffice.org ?01:19
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caraquermmm, well its some slow install 120 mb from internet, moreover i need install that in varios pcs,01:20
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AtKaaZwell, if u have kubuntu on all, u could copy the packages from /var/apt/cache/archives/01:21
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AtKaaZ(anyways, if the packages are already there it won't (re)download them)01:22
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AtKaaZbigmarCus_: any luck ?01:23
MrGideonII'm having a weird problem with my sound.01:24
caraquerthats rigth in that folder are various packages,,,01:25
MrGideonlike where xine (and anything thatuses it) will play sound from practically everything except dvd's01:26
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caraquertue unique thing, the folder really is /var/cache/apt/archives01:27
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AtKaaZcaraquer: yes, my bad :)01:27
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intelikeyha what a joke.  checkinstall seems worthless to me.01:29
intelikey3 hours of compiling then it ends with this.01:29
intelikey*** The "dpkg" program is not in your PATH!01:29
intelikey*** Debian package creation aborted01:29
intelikeyErasing temporary files...OK01:29
crimsunthat seems a bit odd. It's probably looking for something in dpkg-dev or devscripts.01:30
crimsunI highly doubt you don't have at least dpkg.01:30
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AtKaaZintelikey: 'type dpkg' what do u see ? :)01:31
intelikeycrimsun this system is very near default   build-essential added  and gcc-3.3      dpkg is very definitly in the path.01:31
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AtKaaZmaybe the PATH was overriden somehow, temporarly01:32
intelikeyAtKaaZ must be.01:32
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intelikeyi tried it with another kernel source.   2.4 and 2.6  same error both times01:33
AtKaaZdon't think it's the kernel tho01:34
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h3sp4wnuaing checkinstall for a kernel module (I tried that once after it didn't work I never used checkinstall again - installwatch is as good for keeping track of manually built packages)01:34
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looktjim looking  through logs01:37
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jamadagnihello, can you please see the forum page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240789 and reply?01:39
jamadagniit's about signing the ubuntu code of conduct01:39
kenny_what seem to be the prob?01:40
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kenny_wow...I didnt know about the spacing thing...01:40
AtKaaZintelikey: seems the error is at line 1707 in /usr/bin/checkinstall  ; apparently if you use checkinstall with -D 3 switch it will increase DEBUG and thus won't erase the temporary files; not sure if this will help01:41
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ubotujava is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository01:41
jamadagni@kenny_ so how do you think the spacing helps01:43
intelikeyAtKaaZ i don't think it's worth it to me just to have a .deb of the new kernel   but thanks for the input, i'll just use standard make make blah make blah-blah-blah01:43
h3sp4wnintelikey: why not just build with make-kpkg if you are building a kernel (generates debs automatically)01:44
intelikeyagain thanks for looking into it and confirming that it's not just my system.01:44
fyyrest0rmanyone have any ideas why i keep getting "x11 driver is missing. check your build" when trying to install wine and doing winecfg?01:44
kenny_jamadagni...well i'm not sure..I'm just as in the dark as you are...01:44
azmodeanjamadagini: I assume the code of conduct is incorporated into a signature of some kind and sent somewhere in an encrypted form.  Adding spaces at random to it protects the resulting message from a code-breaking technique called a "known-text" attack, which makes it easier to break a message's encryption if all or part of the mesage text is known in advance01:45
jamadagniasked at the forums, no reply01:45
jamadagniok so that's it01:45
jamadagnifine i'm signing it then01:45
kenny_ahh ha....neat01:46
azmodeanmaintained a branch of openssl for a company for a few months :P01:46
kenny_I dont use the forums much....I can ussully figure out most of my problums by myself....I'm pretty happy wiht my build right now..01:47
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azmodeanI'll go ahead and post that on the forum too in case someone else is wondering...01:49
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jamadagniokay guys so how about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24076301:50
jamadagniit's about the k menu items01:50
jamadagniyou guys sure rock!01:50
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azmodeanno idea about that one, my general computing theory is far in excess of my linux knowledge, did my first install 3 weeks ago actually01:53
AtKaaZjamadagni: well apparently you could add your own links (besides the official ones, so to speak) in ~/.kde/share/applnk01:53
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intelikeyjamadagni .kde/something...   you can use "grep" to search instid of files.01:53
intelikeygrep -HiRe "string to look for" basedir/01:54
AtKaaZjamadagni: in ~/.kde/share/apps/IconPositions  you may find the position of the icons as shown on desktop (apparently)01:54
jamadagnii don't have such a folder01:55
jamadagniand the applnk folder is empty01:55
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intelikeyjamadagni until you edit a menu the default is used.  it's not stored in ~01:56
intelikeyhmmm  ls -AR > one        edit the menu  then   ls -AR > two ;diff one two         :)01:57
AtKaaZjamadagni: there's also KDE menu editor; well about the applnk folder... u could create a folder Games and put there a file with .kdelnk extension with contents similar to see http://pastebin.bafserv.com/288 ; this should appear in KdeMenu under Games01:58
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AtKaaZ(it's verified)01:58
AtKaaZintelikey: i wonder where's that default :)01:59
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intelikey/usr/share/kde  maybe   idk01:59
AtKaaZit's /usr/share/applnk01:59
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AtKaaZjamadagni: guess this is the one u've been looking for: /usr/share/applnk02:00
AtKaaZanyways, everything should be obv. now02:00
intelikeyAtKaaZ there is more menu stuff in /etc/menu/   iirc02:00
AtKaaZintelikey: only have /etc/menu-methods with 3 scripts02:01
jamadagniAtKaaZ - yes /usr/share/applnk is the one but it appears to contain only the additions. where are the originals?02:02
intelikeyhmmm depends on the install i guess.  i installed ubuntu then added xfce4 kde blackbox fluxbox   to it02:02
AtKaaZjamadagni: well, you are right, now i see; let's find'em :D02:03
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AtKaaZjamadagni: some stuff here : /usr/share/applications02:07
GNULinuxGeekDoes anyone here have apper loaded and are using KDE?02:07
AtKaaZjamadagni: and here /usr/share/app-install/desktop02:07
GNULinuxGeekRETRY: Does anyone here have Dapper loaded and are using KDE?02:08
AtKaaZGNULinuxGeek: me :)02:08
nnn0i am02:08
erovme thrice02:08
nnn0and you could even ask in #mepis :)02:09
azmodeandapper + KDE yes02:09
AtKaaZjamadagni: more here, /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/02:10
kaz3question, i downloaded gimp 2.2 and want to put it in the k menu. for 'add item' under 'command', can i just put gimp?02:10
azmodeanI was searching for a package called "apper"02:10
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GNULinuxGeekOK, very wierd problem.  Konqueror willopen with big fat icon view and I can select Text List view and get that after a bit of a delay.  But, if I select Detailed view, it locks up tight.  Ideas?  I even loaded the latest KDE.02:10
AtKaaZkaz3: gimp-remote-2.202:11
AtKaaZazmodean: me too at first lolz02:11
intelikeyIn this directory, the system administrator can install menufiles to02:11
intelikeyoverride the menu files provided by Debian in /usr/lib/menu, /usr/share/menu02:11
intelikeyand /usr/share/menu/default.02:11
jane_d_mookKubuntu live and the install went fine, after update I have horrible resolution on my monitor and no access to XP which I can probably fix.. why would the update screw up the res when the live was fine and the install was fine until the update.02:11
jane_d_mookHOw do I change the screen res?02:12
azmodeanwhat did you update?  did you see the update notification and "update all"?02:12
HawkwindEveryone here needs to vote for your favorite distro/wm and many other things here:  http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9835380873.html02:12
kaz3AtKaaZ: should i use that as the command: gimp-remote-2.2?02:12
HawkwindThat's the yearly desktop voting they do and has some really interesting stats once the results are given02:13
jane_d_mookazm yes02:13
intelikeymy favorite wm is 'tty#'   :)02:13
jamadagni@AtKaaZ thanks! but there seems to be no order to these locations except that all are under /usr/share02:13
AtKaaZkaz3: if u want, my gimp icon has "gimp-remote-2.2 " without the quotes in the command field02:13
Hawkwindintelikey: Hah02:14
AtKaaZkaz3: that is %U02:14
azmodeanperhaps you can go into the update app and rollback some of the updates that are associated with video until it reverses, not sure if it has that capability, but it should :)02:14
AtKaaZkaz3: konversation seems to interpret that as underline; so that's "gimp-remote-2.2 %U"02:14
AtKaaZintelikey: yeah, i'm planning on giving up X for a while, in favour of the console , as soon as I make allegro work with fbcon, can't seem to trick initrd image to create a valid image which i've modified vga16fb to nvidiafb for loading, any ideas?02:16
jane_d_mookI knew I should have stuck with Ubuntu..02:16
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AtKaaZjane_d_mook: what do u have now?02:16
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jane_d_mookkubuntu 6.0602:17
jamadagniok thanks AtKaaZ, bye for now02:17
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kaz3AtKaaZ, thanks02:18
AtKaaZbye jamadagni02:18
AtKaaZkaz3: just trying to be useful  (s/ful/less/)02:18
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D4rklydoes anyone know how to install and setup darwin streaming server ?02:20
azmodeansomeone does I'm sure, just not me (I keed)02:20
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: i guess u liked gnome better ?/:) otherwise i don't see the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu [but that's just me] 02:20
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intelikeyAtKaaZ roll you own kernel   build in fbcon nvidia and read carefully the help screens on those options   things like  i2c that are needed.02:21
jane_d_mookI dont like gnome better but it does seem to WORK..02:21
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jane_d_mookTHe Ubuntu channel has always been helpful02:21
jane_d_mookSooo, no one here can help change the video res?02:22
intelikeyjane_d_mook  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg02:22
intelikeyadd -plow  if you like.02:22
jane_d_mookANd 20 questions that I will not know the answer to..02:23
intelikeyprobably  yes02:23
AtKaaZintelikey: yep, downloading it now, but i bet i could just modify the initrd image and add nvidiafb module and try and see if that runs, but can't modify the initrd.img file which is a gzip file and inside it it's a cpio archive: kernel panics before mounting it as root on startup(repacking it fails somehow-i dno how to do it)02:23
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: so you want to change the video res in kubuntu ?02:24
AtKaaZoh, didn't see that intelikey02:24
intelikeysame process in gnome.    you are reconfiging X not the wm/de02:24
jane_d_mookIt went from 1024 x 768 during and after the install to maybe 640 x 480 that is unuseable02:25
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intelikeyyeah reconfigure xorg02:25
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jane_d_mookWhat a royal pain just to change the res?02:26
intelikeyjane_d_mook whining about it wont help.02:27
kaz3hey AtKaaz, i just found that Gimp installed a shortcut in the K Menu already, o well, thanks anyways02:27
jane_d_mookDOnt seem to be getting help either way02:27
AtKaaZmy God, whiptail using 99% cpu02:28
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AtKaaZjane_d_mook: did u try what intelikey said?02:28
jane_d_mookrecoinfiguring all of my xorg.. no02:28
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Unless you setup your X correctly, it will continue to be the wrong size.  Just reconfigure your X server(using the default answers usually works best) and get it done and over with02:29
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: If you don't do that, it won't get fixed.02:29
intelikeybut you wont get any help here.......02:29
intelikeywhiner !02:29
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jane_d_mookNot to mention the upgrade took out the grub entry for my other OS's... nice work there..02:30
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: would u rather edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand? :D02:30
jane_d_mookAny day of the week02:30
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Surely you make daily backups of your system right ?02:30
jane_d_mookOnly just installed it and upgraded it..02:30
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: yeah too bad about that, had that one happening for me too02:30
Sannejane_d_mook: the reconfigure script usually takes the values you entered last time, so you would only need to change the ones regarding the resolution.02:31
jane_d_mookHawkwind: I didnt think I would NEED a backup half way through the install02:31
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Hawkwindjane_d_mook: You should do daily backups of your system no matter if you think you'll need them or not02:31
AtKaaZkaz3: oh ok :) was it in the Graphics submenu? /me forgot to mention that02:31
intelikeyHawkwind or just learn to fix things02:32
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jane_d_mookHawkwind: Are you listening,...  It has not even been installed for a day .. not even an hour.. so enough with your backup retoric02:32
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Ummmm, didn't you have other OS's installed ?02:33
jane_d_mookYEs, they are fine, other than the grub boot entry is missing02:33
h3sp4wnOr just store anything that matters on bsd (with mirrored raid) anything else is unimportant (that is how I deal with it) backing up is a pain02:33
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: If you did, then surely you have backups of lilo/grub files to fix your problem.02:33
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jane_d_mookI already fixed one and will fix the other as soon as I get a res I can work with02:33
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Hawkwindh3sp4wn: Backing up is a pain ?  Not a pain when it's done by a daily cronjob and a script for you02:34
intelikeyh3sp4wn dito02:34
jane_d_mookHawkwind: You must be 12... I only just now installed an OS that needs grub/lilo02:34
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: You can get the res you want by doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and stop whining about things being messed up02:34
goop2uh oh.. your having resolution problems too?02:34
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AtKaaZjane_d_mook: look in /boot/menu/  you may see some file like menu.lst.060823005310  that's your backed up menu.lst and prolly that one with the entries not missing :)02:34
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: No need to call people names or make fun of them.  If you had backups of things you wouldn't be having this issue02:34
jane_d_mookthanks atk.. will check for that02:35
h3sp4wnMy linux box is always in a mess (and doesn't have anything important on it) backing up a mess is pretty pointless anyway02:35
D4rklyhow do i install a .bin file ?02:35
Hawkwindsh filename.bin02:35
jane_d_mookHawkwind: and if you would listen.. there was NOTHING to backup02:35
goop2Hawkwind: dude... stop being a noob.. stfu about backups02:35
intelikeyAtKaaZ boot/menu ???02:35
Hawkwindgoop2: Trying to help people.  I don't think you have the right to cuss at people honestly02:35
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: depends on ur irc client i guess if u type atk<TAB> it'll complete the nick automaticly :D just trying to be friendly02:36
intelikeyjane_d_mook AtKaaZ meant /boot/grub/menu.lst02:36
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: You said you had other OS's on the system, so therefore there had to be files from those distros02:36
Erich-KHey guys, how can i make it so mp3 files open default with xmms instead of amarok?02:36
goop2Hawkwind: talking about inexistant backups from yesterday, when the OS wasnt installed wont help02:36
jane_d_mookHawkwind: Yes there are files for those other distros. But you obviously know nothing.02:36
AtKaaZintelikey: /boot/grub02:36
AtKaaZi'm sleepy :P02:37
jane_d_mookI am running kate to edit that now02:37
jane_d_mookI know we let all kinds into the room02:37
Agiosgoop2: anyone with even the least experience with data processing knows a good backup/recovery process is essencial.02:37
intelikeyAtKaaZ i corrected for you  ^02:37
AtKaaZjane_d_mook: /boot/grub/  (sorry for mistakes today)02:37
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Hawkwindgoop2: No.  Talking about files that were already there.  Use what is there and add a line or two and be done.  I happen to know what I'm talking about.  Now, if you would stop your non-sense and help someone, it would be much more appreciated02:37
AtKaaZyes thanks intelikey  /me :zzz: -ing02:37
jane_d_mookAtKaaZ: yea..  I am familiar with it.02:37
nnn0relax you all, it's just NSA sending aggresive brainwaves thru the mantle :)02:37
jane_d_mookHawkwind: Your attitude in this channel is NOT helping anyone.02:38
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: My attitude ?02:38
AtKaaZnnn0: that needs to be investigated :P02:38
intelikeynnn0 no02:38
SanneErich-K: in Konqueror, right click on the file -> properties. then click on the icon beside "Type".02:38
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Hawkwindjane_d_mook: I happen to be a regular here that knows quite a bit.  It's someone like you who marches in and whines about everything instead of doing what others suggest is what makes things bad in the channel02:39
D4rklysorry guys i have to stick up for the hawk eye he does know his stuff generally and is a dedicated member of the communinty you will see him here helping others on a daily basis02:39
Erich-KSanne: Thanks alot :)02:40
SanneErich-K: you're welcome :)02:40
james_xxxi am using a linksys wusb54g v.4 wireless adapter in kubuntu 6.06.1. i have it working, however... my computer occasionally locks up when i am surfing the internet, and i have to reboot. also, if the computer is left idle for a periiod of several hours, it often locks up and has to be rebooted. i do not know if these issues are even connected to the use of this wireless adapter....02:40
intelikeyD4rkly i agree he's here a lot.02:41
jane_d_mookHawkwind: I would expect a regular user to know more and LISTEN to all of the problem..02:41
james_xxxny the way, Hawkwind has bailed me out several times, and is quite knowledgable02:41
jane_d_mookAll of my res are showing in xorg..02:41
h3sp4wnjane_d_mook: If you have other distro's then why not just compare the xorg.conf's from those (or just use a working one)02:41
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jane_d_mookI never said I had other distros on here.  I said other OS's...  there is a difference02:42
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D4rklyanyone know where i can get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel02:42
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Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Have you bothered to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet at all ?02:43
azmodeanjane_d_mook: have you checked /boot/grub for a menu.lst.* file?02:43
jane_d_mookHawkwind: Must be that speed-reading they teach in schools02:43
jane_d_mookHawkwind: yes.02:43
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Enough of the ignorance and the attitude, seriously02:43
Sannejames_xxx: strange lockups could be related to bad ram, I suggest making a memtest, the *ubuntu live cds have one, and there's should also be one in your grub menu.02:43
danny500do they make any of the final fantasy games for linux?02:43
jane_d_mookazmodean:  there was no backup made, but that is an easy fix.02:43
Hawkwindjane_d_mook: Either do what others tell you to fix things and stop whining, or just simply ignore everyone and keep your system broken02:44
james_xxxi am looking at an ubuntu forum on the wusb54g wireless adapter (not the one i used to get mine working), and the person who wrote it has blacklisted some modules that i did not blacklist, so i am wondering if that might be an issue?02:44
jane_d_mookazmodean: and for hawks benefit... There was no backup made by the UPGRADE script that trashed this system02:44
james_xxxSanne: ty for that suggestion, i will do  that02:44
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h3sp4wnjane_d_mook: Which upgrade script ?02:44
jane_d_mookThe system update.02:44
SanneD4rkly: go to packages.ubuntu.com, to section "Search the contents of packages", to find out the package that provides those files.02:45
jane_d_mookeverything was fine up to that point02:45
AtKaaZi ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from konsole and since Ctrl-c didn't work i closed it and ever since whiptail (program) is using as much cpu as it can ie. 95%02:45
Sannejames_xxx: good luck :)02:45
goop2danny500: maybe look for roms?02:45
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james_xxxSanne: if you were me :-P... would you try blacklisting those other modules, or leave them alone?02:45
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erovlike what ff game are you looking for, danny?02:45
goop2danny500: google roms02:45
Hawkwinddanny500: You could run something like zsnes and download roms of the snes games and play those02:45
danny500o ok02:46
erovi mean.. 7 8 9 10.. no they dont make a "linux version"02:46
danny500I'm looking for ff9 ff tatics02:46
dima_Hi,everyone.I had a problem with xserver-xorg-core package yesterday. After upgrading the system refused to start. However, after an upgrade today, everything went well again?02:46
erov6 and under you can play, as you can in windows, with an emulatior02:46
goop2danny500: I think zsnes is in adept.. Im not sure02:46
erovdima_: that was known..02:46
dima_Has anybody have this problem02:46
Kr4t05danny500: which game do you specifically want to play?02:46
Agiosdima_: yes, there was a bad xorg package yesterday.02:46
erovdima_: and expected behavior02:46
Gun_Smokelooking for something like LimeWire?  Ideas?02:46
D4rklyi have libstdc++ installed but im guessing this is different to compat-libstdc++ ??? where can i get and install the latter'02:47
azmodeanthere is a ps2 emulator also, don't know if there is a linux port...02:47
Kr4t05danny500: you'll need pcsx02:47
james_xxxGun_Smoke: frostwire02:47
erovGun_Smoke: aMule02:47
Agiosdima_: got a lot of people. New package today fixed it.02:47
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AtKaaZdima_: yes it was a flying bug :))02:47
erovoh sorry02:47
Kr4t05danny500: sudo apt-get install pcsx02:47
Sannejames_xxx: unfortunately I know nothing about wireless, but I might try blacklisting, if it works for somebody else. Not very helpful, sorry.02:47
h3sp4wnThe zsnes in dapper is ancient (I have a package of the svn version if anyone wants it)02:47
intelikeyyeah  official release of the xorg bug   lol02:47
erovzsnes is at 1.42 right?02:47
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Gun_SmokeFrostWire or aMule.. ?02:47
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james_xxxSanne: your input was much appreciated02:47
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erovGun_Smoke: Frostwire if you mean like LimeWire.. but they use the same protocols i believe02:48
danny500I have the psx emu for linux but it don't open. d I have to right click on the ff game file and tell it to open with the psx emu?02:48
james_xxxGun_Smoke: frostwire works on the same networks as limewire, aMule is like edonkey02:48
h3sp4wnerov: Alot has changed since 1.42 (in the svn tree) for example sdl at high res works alot better as does hq4x02:48
erovmy zsnes crashes at when i go to exit02:48
erovnever figured that out02:48
Gun_SmokeWhich has a better selection of music?02:48
danny500any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?02:49
erovGun_Smoke: cant say.. try'em both and see :p02:49
goop2danny500: you probabaly need to open it from your emu.. Ive never done it with psx though02:49
james_xxxGun_Smoke: you might want to install both, but... i am not sure as i do not illegally download music anymore (except on rare occasions :-D )02:49
SanneD4rkly: You can also search for packages on packages.ubuntu.com02:49
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danny500any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?02:49
intelikeyeeeek   will this boot  ?  -rwxr-x---  1 root root  3610169 Aug 22 19:46 vmlinux02:50
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jane_d_mookthanks to those that tried to help (without the obvious insults)02:50
Sannejames_xxx: thanks for your kind words :)02:50
danny500any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?02:50
BluDog_Anchorite!limewire > BluDog_Anchorite02:50
intelikeythat's 3.5m02:50
james_xxxyw sanne02:50
h3sp4wnerov: http://www.milkspank.com/h3sp4wn/dapper/zsnes/ (You just need http://www.milkspank.com/h3sp4wn/dapper/zsnes/zsnes_1.43-pre-h3sp4wn1_i386.deb but the source is there if you want it))02:50
danny500any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?02:50
james_xxxjane was a pill....02:50
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erovthank you02:51
Kr4t05h3sp4wn: Thanks, I may just take the time to get Super Mario World later02:51
intelikeydanny500 not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.02:51
danny500ok thats all I wanted to know02:51
danny500how do I join a server for it?02:51
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goop2well I came in in the middle of it, saw her complaining about the whole "backup thing" and made asumptions..02:52
goop2after that I noticed she had an obsession02:53
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AtKaaZHelping people is not a solution; building a system that is throughly understood by its users is. (my opinion)02:53
goop2not always02:54
ataxichmm, I've tried installing 6.06 twice now with the alternate disc, when installing software (kde etc) at about 15 minutes in the install it looks like my screen times out and goes black, there are 2 white blocks in my screen and I cant get my screen back to the installation menu's02:54
intelikeygoop2 she/he was here to whine   and Hawkwind was just helping her/him02:54
AgiosAtKaaZ: when someone comes up with a system like that, let me know02:54
AtKaaZAgios: will do ;;;)02:54
ataxicif this is a known issues can some point me to a workaround please?02:54
intelikeyAtKaaZ you write it we'll use it02:55
AtKaaZintelikey: will do lol02:55
goop2AtKaaZ: the solution is finding people willing to learn the system02:55
Sannegoop2: +102:56
AtKaaZgoop2: what if the system resembles the brain's way of working02:56
intelikeyi have trubble understanding scripts i've written,  when they are over 200 lines long and 2 years old....02:56
erovwish for a good vgba one02:56
AtKaaZgoop2: it'll be intuitive i guess02:56
azmodeanheh, hyper-n00b question, how do you install a .deb?02:56
erovdpkg -i <deb>.deb02:56
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AtKaaZintelikey: yes, they're lacking a higher level system that keeps all things connected (ie. strings, commands)02:57
azmodeanI've been installing everything through synaptic so far...02:57
erovor in Konq, right click the deb and there is a menu item02:57
azmodeanmenu item not showing up in konq02:58
AtKaaZazmodean: what item ?02:58
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azmodeandoing the terminal version, I'll look into the konq thing once it's installed...02:58
AtKaaZazmodean: alt+F1 ?02:58
Sanneataxic: there seems to be nobody here with this installer issue you are having. You might try to search ubuntuforums, there may be some threads about such problems. I recently searched for (other) installer errors, but mine were due to bad ram.02:59
goop2dont you need to cd to the file?02:59
ataxicyeh I am browsing the forums, thnx03:00
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Sanneataxic: good luck :)03:00
Sanneataxic: your ram is good? did a memtest?03:00
azmodeanatkaaz: when right-clicking on a debian package in konqueror, no menu item for installing the package appears03:00
AtKaaZazmodean: oh, my bad :-"03:01
ataxicdualboot, no problems with slackware windows or bsd03:01
ryanakcahow do I reset kde do the default look & feel?03:01
ataxici was just curious about kubuntu03:01
ryanakcahow do I reset kde do the default kubuntu look & feel?03:01
intelikeyataxic might i sujest turning off the power management in the bios for the install.03:02
goop2ryanakca: 6.06?03:02
ataxicintelikey: i've been there, I'll try that03:02
ataxici had a look at that after my second fail03:02
ataxici'll give it one more go, if it fails then i give up03:02
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ataxiccba :)03:02
AtKaaZazmodean: have the same issue, a menu appears but nothing specific about .deb packages -> no install03:02
goop2ryanakca: its probabaly like this in the older versions too.. go to system settings and apearance03:03
intelikeyor at least set it to longest possable times  if not disabled03:03
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ataxicokie ta intelikey03:03
Sanneataxic: there's also a live cd, if you want to try kubuntu.03:03
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intelikeyyes but the installer on the live CD is krap.03:03
ataxicyeh, but i downloaded alternate cos I dont really like live cd, they never feel right03:03
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goop2ryanakca: from there you can click a "Deafalts" button on all the screens I think03:04
ryanakcagoop2: 6.10, but should work03:04
Sanneintelikey, ataxic: I agree, I also like the alternate cd better for install, I just thought for just testing Kubuntu the live cd might be a solution.03:04
AtKaaZataxic: yeah they feel like they're eating the CD when accessing :))03:04
goop2ryanakca: defaults*03:04
ryanakcagoop2: yep, ty03:05
snowdriftfirst time on under *nix03:05
Sannesnowdrift: congrats and welcome :)03:05
goop2w00t! more for the linux user % :D03:06
intelikeywelcome to the first step toward freedom03:06
azmodeangreets, just switched recently myself03:06
snowdriftwhats the easiest way to edit GRUB?03:06
snowdriftim dual-booting for now03:06
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snowdrifti know you hate to hear that03:07
intelikeysudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst03:07
snowdriftkubuntu is nicer than plain ubuntu03:07
snowdriftthe kde interface is more what im used to03:07
azmodeanor alt+F2, then enter "kdesu kate", browse to /boot/grub/menu.lst if you want to stay in the gui...03:07
Sannesnowdrift: lots of people dual boot, makes the transition easier, that's fine :)03:07
intelikeyi like kde     but i don't like you calling it more like windows......   ;/03:08
LeeJunFananyone know of a way to disable KDE keyboard shortcuts. I'm having a helluva time with a vnc session because so much crap I need to do remote matches KDE shortcuts.03:08
snowdriftid like to get where i could containerize XP in a virtual machine and run what i need to there03:08
azmodeansnowdrift: same here, I was quite unhappy with ubuntu + Gnome, loving it with KDE03:08
intelikeyi thought gnome was more like windows.    guess i don't know anything about windows03:08
goop2snowdrift: I find KDE far better than windows03:09
snowdrifti did and update on my software03:09
intelikeyi'm with goop2 on htat03:09
snowdrifti dont reboot at all?03:09
snowdriftonly if i rebuild the kernal, right?03:09
azmodeanerm, I think Xen is supposed to be able to run XP in a VM, not sure about compatability outside of Fedora...03:09
intelikeyyou don't have to reboot to run a different kernel.... not if you compile in support for hot loading kernels.... :)03:10
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intelikeybut it is affectively a reboot even then....03:11
intelikeyjust bypasses bios03:11
Sanneintelikey: that sounds a bit advanced...03:12
intelikeyoh sorry.   i'm supposed to be a dummy.    /me forgets....03:12
Sanneintelikey: no you! :) I was just afraid it may comfuse snowdrift...03:13
snowdriftim already confused03:13
snowdriftits ok03:13
Sannesnowdrift: hehe03:13
intelikeyso how do i get the pointy clicky thingy to let me in without a passwd ?03:13
snowdriftit will be months before im proficient03:13
snowdrifthow do i install firefox?03:14
AtKaaZintelikey: what u mean hot loading kernels support? /:)  does that exist?03:14
intelikeyadept package manager03:15
intelikeyread that ^03:15
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource03:15
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HAL9000whats happenin03:15
intelikeyAtKaaZ it does indeed.   i wasn't talking through my hat.03:15
Sanneok, time for sleep, night all03:16
snowdriftgood night03:16
HAL9000anybody in here in nebraska03:16
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intelikeynot much joe03:16
intelikeyoh and not i03:17
HAL9000does anyone in here have limewire or frostwire03:17
goop2I have limewire on Windows03:19
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HAL9000I have it in other distros03:19
HAL9000wondered how it would work in Kubuntu03:19
Goop2I generaly prefer torrents03:19
HAL9000I like torrents03:20
HAL9000but i like the one step approach of share clients03:20
HAL9000i noticed niether was in kubuntu's repos03:21
Goop2I like being able to download full albums instead of just one song :P03:21
HAL9000at the same time it seems that its faster to use share clients03:21
HAL9000not that i would use ap2p to download music or anything03:22
HAL9000that would be illegal03:22
Goop2of course03:22
intelikeywell i'm itchin' to see if either of these new kernels will actually boot....   but i guess i'll wait until the update finishes03:22
Goop2we NEVER do illegal stuff :D03:22
D4rklyanyone know the legalities of streaming media servers ?03:23
HAL9000i use it strictly for educational purposes and share um..uh pictures with ppl03:23
D4rklythis is the way forward as the file never leaves the server03:23
HAL9000oh and porn03:23
Goop2I thought that was included in "educational" xD03:24
HAL9000oh yea03:24
HAL9000i forgot03:24
h3sp4wnubuntu has applications specifically for viewing port03:24
h3sp4wnubuntu has applications specifically for viewing porn03:24
intelikeyit's not illegal to use dcc to move files    "unless they happen to be protected by copy right and you don't have permission"   hehhe03:24
h3sp4wn!info pornview03:24
ubotupornview: Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 608 kB03:24
fyyrest0rmanyone have experience with wine and WoW?03:24
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D4rklyi do fyyrest0rm :) but maybe you can help me also :)03:25
D4rklyi cant get it running with -opengl03:25
intelikeyD4rkly i think streaming falls under the heading of 'rebroad casting'   so check the applicable laws on such03:26
fyyrest0rmD4rkly: I'm not even that far..Im getting an error about a missing opengl32.dll lol03:26
pierrethhow can i know if some material is supported by Kubuntu?03:26
D4rklyoh i didnt get that error did you use adept to install it ?03:27
D4rklycool thanks intel03:27
intelikey"material is supported"  read the docs that come with it03:27
fyyrest0rmD4rkly: nope..followed the directions at winehq to compile it03:27
pierrethintelikey: the doc of the material?03:27
snowdrift!info pornview03:28
ubotupornview: Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 608 kB03:28
intelikeyanything supported by ubuntu will have ubuntu docs     unless you care to narrow the list a bit  i can't do much more than that.03:29
pierrethintelikey: I must go to the ubuntu site to know?03:29
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HAL9000whats ur favorite distro?03:30
nick_i got kde and gnome03:30
Goop2Ive only used Kubuntu, but I wanna try Gentoo03:30
D4rklyok i just installed it from the wine repos. I wanted to build it but got an error installing dependencies saying they may break other things03:30
nick_any1 else got both03:30
HAL9000Gentoo is my old favorite03:31
HAL9000I also like slax03:31
ubuntuHi there03:31
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HAL9000has anyone else in here use PCLINUXOS03:32
intelikeypierreth can you be more vague ?     just what exactly is it you want to know about ?03:32
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pierrethintelikey: lol! I want to buy a PC for Kubuntu, I want to know how can I choose something that is going to work03:33
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HAL9000i run a dual boot with kubuntu and Windows03:33
ubuntuI have a slight problem. I am trying to install Ubuntu on a RAID1 array on nForce 4 SATA, and during the partition part, the drives show up as seperate drives. What should I do?03:33
tpeltonnew kubunut user, not new to linux03:33
HAL9000I also run a dual boot with PCLOS nad Gentoo 200603:34
Goop2HAL9000: same03:34
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tpeltonhaving problems with sound03:34
tpeltonkde sound works03:34
tpeltonkaffeine and amorak and a game that uses also doesn't03:34
thompaHAL9000: im also running sabayon03:35
tpeltonsearched forums03:35
tpeltonno joy03:35
intelikeypierreth supported hardware    ahhh     there is a web page on things that linux is know to work well with.   google can find it for you.03:35
tpeltonwhy would kde (arts) sound work03:35
HAL9000sabayon, never tried03:35
thompaits gentoo live dvd03:35
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tpeltonand not other stuff ?03:35
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Goop2I forgot how I fixed that :\03:35
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thompaHAL9000: has nvidia and compiz working live03:35
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intelikeypierreth also if you have a list of hardware you care to ask about you can ask here  or in #ubuntu  and probably find someone that has tried it.03:36
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thompadvds play right off cause its from italy i guess and not restricted,03:36
HAL9000whats that thompa03:36
pierrethintelikey: ok, sorry for my English, some I must search about Linux and not about Kubuntu03:36
thompasabayon linux03:36
tpeltonkde sound works, kaffeine and amarok don't ?03:37
trpr_pierreth: subtitute ubuntu for kubuntu in your search if you want more results03:37
pierrethtrpr_: OK03:37
HAL9000PCLINUXOS comes with nvidia and ati drivers03:37
thompaHAL9000: i got it on one laptop but wireless problems, and on amd64 sata it just wont work03:37
intelikeyyes  generally speaking pierreth if linux supports it then *buntu does.   and vise verse.03:38
HAL9000wirless probs with pclos?03:38
HAL9000which version03:38
tpeltonkde sound works, kaffeine and amarok doesn't ?03:38
thompaHAL9000: yep, newest03:38
HAL9000tryp.93a junior03:38
ubuntuI guess not...03:38
thompaHAL9000: i installed edgy eft on it03:38
tpeltonanyone ? kde sound works, kaffeine and amarok don't ...03:38
HAL9000try to go back to p.92 then03:38
Goop2thats how mine was when I installed it.. I wish I could remember how I fixed it03:39
HAL9000what are ur laptop specs03:39
thompai might03:39
Goop2I remember now03:39
intelikeyubuntu maybe someone in #ubuntu  can answer that, if you don't get an answer here03:39
tpeltongoop2, you talking to me ?03:39
thompaits a sony vaio 660/w centrino03:39
Goop2tpelton: yep03:39
ubuntuThanks, I'll try03:39
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HAL9000i had an overheat problem on my old ass hp03:40
Goop2tpelton: Im pretty sure it was xine that wasnt working03:40
thompaHAL9000: the worst heaters are sony03:40
Goop2tpelton: look that up in adept03:40
HAL9000had to get klaptop i believe03:40
intelikeyeeeeek ! tty22 [root@/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15]  make modules-install03:40
tpeltonok ?03:40
HAL9000sonys run hot ?03:40
intelikeymake: *** No rule to make target `modules-install'.  Stop.03:40
tpeltoni have an also game that doesn't have sound too ...03:40
HAL9000never had a sony03:40
tpeltoni'm thinking it's also or something ...03:40
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thompaHAL9000: vaio with nvidia is hot , can go to 95C03:41
Goop2tpelton: also it might be your volume.. I had to fix that cause alot of stuff was muted03:41
tpeltongoop2, i've played with alsamixer ... and again, kde "test sound" works03:41
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tpeltonit's just that _other_ apps don't ...03:42
tpeltonvery weird03:42
Thatany1 got problems with amarok03:42
thompaHAL9000: anyway edgy is going to be best03:42
Goop2tpelton: ok.. I think I installed xine or sumthin.. thats in Adept03:42
Thatits skips all my songs03:42
ryanakcagoop2: didn't work :(03:42
Thatneed help [lz03:42
tpeltongoop2, ok ... i'll take a look at that03:42
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intelikeywell i'm gone to test new kernel builds   wish me anger management  :)03:43
thompaHAL9000: im running edgy and its very fast, cool apps: tomboy notes and disk space info03:43
Goop2ryanakca: whats wrong with yours?03:43
ryanakcaGoop2: remember, revert to default theme?03:44
Goop2ryanakca: oh that..03:44
thompabye too03:44
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Goop2ryanakca: Im not sure what the default stuff in 6.10 is.. sorry03:44
ubuntuYay! They had the answer: Just use the iso with the text-based installer. I'm out!03:45
Goop2ryanakca: I mean.. oops.. 6.10? :P03:45
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ryanakcaGoop2: 6.10, edgy eft, the ruling salamander of the world. ;P03:46
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Goop2wait.. isnt dapper the latest??03:47
HawkwindLatest stable, yes03:48
HawkwindEdgy is the latest beta version03:48
Goop2ooh.. I never knew about that..03:49
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damian_how do I upgrade to the 2.6.17 kernel?03:50
Goop2ryanakca: does it look the same as dapper?03:51
ryanakcaGoop2: no, it's purple03:53
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Goop2ryanakca: is the default button not there?03:54
Goop2ryanakca: or not working?03:55
ryanakcaGoop2: yes, it's there... just doesn't work03:55
tpeltongoop2: i have xine stuff installed ... any other thoughts ?03:55
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tpeltoni _dont_ have the arts xine installed though ...03:55
tpeltonit seems like it is something funny with also03:55
james_xxxwow , after i installed the update on my xubuntu box, i was no longer connected to the net, and when i rebooted, x would not come up....03:56
tpeltoni have an alsa application that doesn't work either03:56
Goop2tpelton: maybe... mp3 suport?03:56
tpeltoni don't think that would affect my flight sim software03:57
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Goop2tpelton: I guess not :p03:57
tpeltonok, thanks man03:57
Goop2does amaroK work?03:58
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Goop2ryanakca: maybe youll just have to test them all :\03:58
Goop2ryanakca: I did that once.. its frustrating, but they do have the colors next to the names03:59
Goop2oh wait.. actualy the display would help too :P04:00
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actinicmost of the irc intro url's don't work04:06
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Goop2!info pornview04:11
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rrbizhi soulrdier04:20
Goop2hello good sir04:20
rrbizI'm having a smoth ride on kubuntu myself here ;)04:20
soulriderkubuntu rocks, doesnt it?04:21
Gh0st75yep, sure does04:21
Goop2yes.. I must say Im riding quite smoothly myself04:21
rrbizother than kde runaway program catcher on my kicker as applet, keeps prompting me with CPU hogs ;)04:21
rrbizotherwise yep kubuntu's rocking04:21
Gh0st75still can't get a couple things working like i did in windoze, but gettin close to 100% conversion04:22
Goop2I had it on there for about 5 minutes before I got sick of it xD04:22
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Erich-KIs there a way to remove the Desktop Panel thing?04:23
Goop2desktop panel?04:23
rrbizyou mean like auto hide it?04:23
Erich-KThe thing with the 4 desktops to select from04:23
Gh0st75i think he means the desktop chooser, where you have multiple desktops available down by the clocl04:23
Erich-KI want to remove it, i only need one desktop04:24
Gh0st75clock even04:24
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Goop2configure desktops04:24
Gh0st75i wouldn't mind knowin if it was possible to remove that as well, i too only require one desktop04:24
rrbizyeah right click on kicker(taskbar) and go to options04:24
Goop2I use all of them04:24
Erich-KAll i can do from there is set it to 1 desktop but the box is still there04:24
Gh0st75i have it set to 1 desktop as opposed to 4 in the config, but it still puts the chooser there04:24
Admiral_Chicagoi dont think you understand the usefulness of multiple desktops...04:24
Admiral_Chicagobut to each his own04:24
Goop2remove applet04:25
soulriderAdmiral_Chicago: i got them deactivated, because i dont undertsand it :P04:25
Erich-KI had to unlock panels04:25
rrbizAdmiral: how do u use 4 desktops ?04:25
Erich-KThen i could remove, Thanks guys04:25
Goop2click on the one you want to use04:25
rrbizI mean what do u  put on them04:25
Gh0st75i wager most windows users like us wouldn't be used to multiple desktops...i'm sure there's a use for them, but have yet to see the advantage for my personal use04:25
Admiral_Chicagosoulrider, right clikc at the menu bar...send to Desktop #2 etc04:25
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Goop2I put what Im working on on one and everything else on another04:25
Admiral_ChicagoI use one for web, one for IM, one for music, and one for work04:26
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soulrideryea but... dunno. i dont find it that useful04:26
soulriderin that case, yes04:26
soulriderGh0st75: i agree on the widnows users comment04:26
Goop2I didnt understand it at first, but I tried to find ways of using them, now Im always using them04:26
Admiral_Chicagosoulrider, i do because I don't like so much stuff in the panel04:26
Gh0st75erich-K: where did you get the option to remove it?04:27
Goop2right click kicker04:27
Goop2remove applet04:27
Goop2thats what they called the taskbar04:27
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Gh0st75oh, gotcha...good to know as well04:28
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Gh0st75nice, that takes care of that04:28
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D4rklyanyone know how i can repair a previous installation ?04:29
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Gh0st75isn't there a repair option when you boot to the kubuntu cd?04:29
rrbizAdmiral_chigaco: good idea on splitting up apps in desktops04:29
soulriderAdmiral_Chicago: i send the stuff to another desktop, but i still get the bar son my kicker04:30
soulridercant i send that too ?04:30
Admiral_Chicagosoulrider, configure desktops...04:30
Goop2I think thats what most people do.. I usualy app split too04:30
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Goop2exept everythings on desktop1 right now and it looks messy.. :\04:31
Admiral_Chicagosoulrider, brb04:31
Goop2pin down the stuff Im working on, switch desktops, unpin04:31
Erich-KI prefer only one desktop04:31
Gh0st75i never have a cluttered desktop anyway04:32
Admiral_Chicagosoulrider, actually, system settings, taskbar, show windows from all desktops04:32
Gh0st75i try to keep things as neat as possible04:32
Erich-KI mostly only have 2-3 apps open anyway04:32
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Goop2at the moment I have 904:33
Gh0st75i seldom have more than 3 open04:33
soulriderthanks Admiral_Chicago, iw as actually asking aobut the opposite, but this worked :)04:33
Gh0st75usually ktorrent, konversation, and kopete04:33
Erich-KI have Konversation, XMMS and Firefox04:34
Goop2Gaim, lots of firefox windows.. kate..04:35
Goop2often system settings04:35
Erich-KI use tabs :)04:35
Goop2I use both04:35
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soulrideri like Opera04:36
Goop2Ive only used IE and Firefox04:36
Erich-KI find firefox is more supported though04:36
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Gh0st75i've been giving konqueror a try, and i've no complaints04:37
soulriderdoes the pager tell me if a widnow in another desktp needs atention ?04:37
Goop2I started using firefox soon after some malway totaly skrewed IE on Windoze04:37
soulriderme tto04:37
soulriderive used both firefox and opera04:38
soulriderbut i prefer opera04:38
soulriderless people use it which can be ana dvantage04:38
Gh0st75only drawback to konqueror is that bank sites don't like it04:38
soulriderat least for windoze users04:38
soulriderbut in linux its the same04:38
Agiosspeaking of IE: http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6108490.html?part=rss&tag=6108490&subj=news04:38
AgiosIE patch carries security bug04:38
Gh0st75i found firefox too slow loading, like netscrape slow...but i read there are tweaks to optimize that04:38
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Goop2yeah there are04:38
soulriderwww.opera.com ;)04:39
Goop2Ill find them if you want04:39
Goop2give you a link04:39
soulrider"could remotely take complete control of an affected system"04:39
Erich-KBe right back04:40
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cozomohi, where could I get the kubuntu kernel sources packages?04:41
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soulriderkernel.org ?04:41
Gh0st75s'cool goop2, appreciate the offer but they're easy to find and it's too late for me to be tinkerin with the computer any more tonight04:41
Goop2speedy firefox http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/59/42/04:41
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Gh0st75if i can get dvd::rip workin tonight that'll be my linux adventure for the day....will probably focus on gettin epsxe workin again then04:42
timothyis there some program that I can run at the command line that will list all running processes and let me kill one of them?04:42
Agiosps aux, kill -9 <pid>04:43
Erich-KIs there a way i can use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V in konsole?04:43
a-prioritimothy: top does that04:43
rrbizwhy not just use crtl esc and use gui?04:44
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cozomohow do I get glxgears to display FPS?04:44
Goop2Erich-K: its.. um..04:45
rrbizglxgear printfps04:45
Agiosglxgears -printfps04:45
Erich-KGoop2: Nevermind. I found it :)04:45
Goop2Erich-K: I dont remember the shortcut, but I usualy right click to paste04:45
Jack_Sparrowshift-ctrl-V sometimes04:46
rrbizIt's be nice if you could mouse over the edges into other desktop screens04:46
Erich-KI just changed the key-combo in configure shortcuts04:46
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Goop2in breezy there was a bug (I asume) where hitting ctrl-V would paste and enter04:49
Goop2that was annoying04:49
timothyrrbiz: because I didn't have enough ram left to load it04:49
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rrbiztimothy: I forgot the question lol04:49
timothyrrbiz: there should be a scroll bar to your right...04:50
rrbizlol, yeah I tried digging it up, okay let me go back in time04:51
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rrbizoh for ctrl esc?04:51
rrbiztimothy: you running on low resouces with your pc?04:52
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timothyrrbiz: no, just had an unruly application.04:53
Gh0st75anyone here use psx emulators? wondering if pscx is as good as epsxe04:54
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Erich-KHow do i set firefox 2.0 as my default browser? I installed it and all, but links still open with 1.504:54
Gh0st75er i mean pcsx04:54
ubotulamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP04:54
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AgiosErich-K: kcontrol04:54
intelikeyhow big can a kernel be and still boot on an old system ?04:55
AgiosErich-K: kde components, default applications04:55
intelikeyobviously not 50m   but what is the limit ?04:56
Erich-KAgios: Thanks mate :)04:57
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fyyrest0rmanyone have an idea about what i may have wrong with my wine/WoW setup? I'm getting very low fps (9-12)04:59
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timothyis there a way to end all taskes of a certian name?05:01
a-prioritimothy: killall05:01
intelikeysudo killall <named-process>05:03
Erich-KHow do i change permissions of a folder via konsole, so everyone can access/modify/etc?05:03
intelikeysudo killall sudo        :)05:03
intelikeychmod 777 dir/05:04
intelikeysudo that ^05:04
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pierrethis kubuntu works well on amd64?05:05
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands05:05
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intelikeypierreth yes  but you may want to run 32bit on it....  depends on your needs.05:07
Erich-Kintelikey: Thanks05:07
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pierrethintelikey: why?05:07
Erich-KFor the folder permission help05:07
vursitiswell you can also download a version of kubuntu specificaly made for the 64bit processor05:07
intelikeythere is 64bit *buntb  and 32bit *buntu05:08
pierrethwhy would i want the 32 bit version on 64 bit processor?05:08
intelikeyErich-K yes you are quite welcome05:09
intelikeypierreth because somethings don't run in 64 bit space yet.05:09
pierreththe 32 bit version is more compatible?05:10
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intelikeypierreth and 32 bit runs well on 64bit boxes also.05:10
Hawkwindpierreth: Yes, much more so05:10
nick_can some 1 help me with amarok05:10
Hawkwindnick_: What kind of help do you need ?05:11
intelikey64bit is still growing.  give it another year or two.05:11
nick_it skips all my songs05:11
nick_it wont play any of them05:11
pierrethso it is better to run 32 unless i know that the stuff that i want run on 64 bit05:11
nick_the only media player that works is xmms05:11
Hawkwindnick_: Have you added mp3 support ?05:11
intelikeysudo apt-get remove amarok   ?05:11
intelikeyoh not htat.05:12
Hawkwindintelikey: LOL.  I was wondering where you were going with that05:12
Hawkwindnick_: mp3's play in other things such as xmms or something ?05:12
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pierrethwhat will be the performance of the 32 bit with the 64 bit processor?05:13
intelikeyskips all my songs   sounds to me like it's output is misconfigured maybe.   it may be playing them all really fast because there is no output.....  i have seen that.05:14
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nick_im playing Mp3s and ive got media players such as noatun and beep ,Vlc and Mplayer but they all skip songs im think about switching to gstreamer05:15
nick_would that help05:15
Hawkwindintelikey: I know xmms does that when there isn't mp3 support, or it's misconfigured as well.05:15
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D4rklyis it worth updating to kde 345 ?05:15
Hawkwindnick_: If they all skip songs, then it sounds like you don't have mp3 support set up yet05:15
HawkwindD4rkly: It's risky.  It has issues05:15
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:16
Hawkwindnick_: ^^^^^^^^^^05:16
D4rklyam i better off staying with the current one then ?05:16
intelikeypierreth if you want to learn a little about it first, (and there are docs)  you can run 64bit and setup a 32bit chrooted env to run things that are not 64bit'ish05:16
HawkwindD4rkly: Current being what version ?05:16
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nick_ive got to go05:17
HawkwindD4rkly: If you mean 3.5.3, then that's up to you.  I went to 3.5.4 but had to revert back to 3.5.4 due to issues with konqueror running outside of KDE05:17
nick_thank you 4 yur help05:17
Hawkwindnick_: You're welcome05:17
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Kevin_hey can anyone point me to a good ftp server program i can use?05:18
intelikeyKevin_  apt-cache search ftp | grep server05:19
Agiosor apt-get install proftpd :)05:19
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Kevin_what one is better?05:19
Agioshis will list numerous options05:20
intelikeyAgios if you like proftpd  yes   or ncftpd    or ....05:20
Agiosbetter is subjective05:20
pierrethintelikey: would this be the best way to go?05:21
Kevin_Agios it will not let me do it ur way05:21
AgiosKevin_: sudo apt-get install proftpd05:21
Agiosif you want to use proftpd05:21
Kevin_something about being unavailiable05:22
intelikeypierreth yes.  if you don't mind having to do some configuring    read the docs on setting up a chroot @ ubuntu.com05:22
Agiospierreth: I would suggest running 32 bit for now. Too many issues with 64 bit.05:22
AgiosKevin_: use intelikey's command and it will list your available options05:23
intelikeypierreth and also the learning curve is higher for 64bit,    don't expect everything to "just work" as they say.05:24
D4rklyi cant update amarok it says commit would break packages ?05:24
intelikeyor config you repos05:24
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource05:25
jordanRwhere is the file for gaim that has all your friend located?05:25
AgiosjordanR: I think that is stored on the server05:25
Agiosat least for some protocols05:26
intelikeyD4rkly kubuntu-desktop ?     if so remove it then update.05:26
jordanRwell i mean on your pc. I forgot all my password and i want to copy the file to my notebook05:26
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pierrethi want to run java, is the 32 OK for that?05:27
trappistjordanR: there's a directory in your home directory called .gaim - that has everything.05:27
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trappistpierreth: the 32 what?05:27
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trappistpierreth: are you running a 32bit system, or amd64?05:27
pierrethtrappist: now, i am on pcc32, i would like to buy a pc05:28
intelikeypierreth and there is no 64 bit flash    (but flash is evil anyway)05:28
trappistyou mean ppc?05:28
pierrethppc i mean05:28
trappistpierreth: you'd need a ppc jre05:28
jordanRtrappist: it is not in my home folder05:28
pierrethi have eclipse running on my ppc05:29
trappistjordanR: it's hidden (because it starts with a .)05:29
trappistjordanR: whatever you're using to look at files, tell it to show hidden files.  or if you're in a console, ls -A05:29
jordanRtrappist: ok thanks05:29
intelikeyto see  .files   ls -A05:29
pierrethit is sad that i must live the ppc to run flash and all the java stuff05:30
pierrethotherwise, everything works just fine05:30
intelikeyor click the show hidden in konq05:30
D4rklyshould i enable universe and multiverse ?05:30
D4rklywhen doing an upgrade05:30
trappistpierreth: that's what happens with proprietary software - we don't have the source available to recompile for other platforms.05:30
trappistD4rkly: sure, why not?05:30
pierrethtrappist: stupid proprietary!! take make us slave!05:31
pierrethi hate that05:31
intelikeyD4rkly yes.   why wouldn't you enable all the repos ?05:31
trappistpierreth: the good news is, sun says they're going to open-source java.05:32
D4rklywasnt sure if they were stable or in dev05:32
intelikeytrappist that does it.   as long as i'm lagging i'm not answering anymore questions.  you type the answer before i see the question........05:32
pierrethtrappist: i am not so sure about this05:32
D4rklytrappist yay java FTW05:33
trappistD4rkly: it's all stable.  the only reason not to enable multiverse is that it contains software whose licenses don't jibe with Ubuntu's license, and you may have legal or religious issues with it.05:33
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D4rklyoh right05:33
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D4rklyim a java dev05:33
pierrethD4rkly: do you think java will go open source?05:34
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D4rklytrappist any idea how to port j2me personal profile to other arm based linux devices05:34
Erich-KI love linux :)05:34
D4rklyim not sure05:34
trappistpierreth: there are already open source jres available.  sun's isn't.  yet.05:34
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trappistD4rkly: nope05:35
D4rklysun FTW :)05:35
trappistD4rkly: I give java a wide berth.05:35
pierrethtrappist: yes but there are fully compatible05:35
trappistpierreth: not quite, no.05:35
intelikeyD4rkly ah... the repos are not devided by stace of development,  but rather by  activly supported (main)  free but not supported by the *buntu team (universe)  and  less than free (multiverse)   to even closed source non-free (restricted)05:35
intelikeystate of ^05:35
D4rklyok cool :)05:36
pierrethtrappist: i cannot run limewire for example05:36
trappistpierreth: correct.  that requires sun's jre.05:36
intelikeythe division on development is  the release    dapper (stable)   edgy (devel)05:37
intelikeyuntil edgy is released then they work on the next one.05:37
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fyyrest0rmok..help lol. I rebooted just now and my screen res has gone all wonky..stuck in 640x480 mode and it wont let me change it05:39
intelikeyD4rkly so then a line like this includes all four of the source catagories ...05:39
intelikeydeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse05:40
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D4rklycool thanx :)05:40
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D4rklyquick reboot brb05:40
intelikeyfyyrest0rm sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   might help you there.05:41
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intelikeyi get lots and lots of "warning blah is deprecated"   from this latest kernel source......05:44
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intelikeyit may be that it's not supposed to be compiled with gcc-4.0.3    idk05:46
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pierrethwould it possible to buy a pc without a hard drive and boot using a external firewire drive?05:46
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Vursitis-Xummmmm it is possible to boot from a network or usb device but you might have to build the computer05:47
intelikeysure. pierreth you can order a kit with what you want in it.05:47
dr_willispierreth,  external firewire will still be slow compared to an internal.05:47
dr_willispierreth,  now an external SATA - now thats handy05:48
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intelikeyor boot a grub cd05:48
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pierrethwhy slow? my mac is booting in firewire and it is fast05:48
dr_willisbut it all depends on what job you are trying to do. And how ya want to do this song & Dance. :P05:48
osiris!limewire > osiris05:48
intelikeyhehhe i might have been talking through my hat that time.05:49
dr_williswhat speed is the firewire on the mac? how fast is the firewire on the pc?05:49
dr_williscompared to a decent sata  drive.05:49
pierreth400 on the mac, on the pc, i don't know wet05:49
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intelikeygurb can only boot what bios can read.05:49
dr_willisI was thinking USB2 was faster then the 400 speed firewire.05:50
dr_willisand usb2 is nasty slow at times.05:50
pierrethno firewire is faster05:50
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dr_willisi was thinking firewire 800 was faster. Not Firewire 40005:50
dr_willisbut heck - its sort of RARE to even have a firewire hd. :P05:50
pierrethok, but my drive is 40005:51
osiris!java > osiris05:51
dr_willisfirewire just hasent taken off like  they said it would.05:51
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pierrethfirewire is important for a lot of applications05:51
dr_willisabout the only use i see common for it now a days is for the dv camcorders.05:52
intelikeyosiris /msg ubotu java     does the same thing but we don't see it... :)05:52
timothythat is because in moste cases it is the device that is slow and not the connection05:52
pierrethfor music...05:52
Erich-KElectric sheep doesn't seem to work, any ideas?05:52
timothyso a usb2 hd will only read at 30mbps when usb2.0 can transfer at 480mbps because the drive is slow05:52
Erich-KWhen i click to test it, it doesn't do anything05:53
dr_willisIve seen some external usb2 raid box's :P05:53
pierrethusb 2 is slower than firewire 40005:53
dr_willisbut i moved all my external usb drives internal a few mo ago.05:53
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intelikeyusb network ?05:54
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botlrokithowdy kids05:54
pierrethso it would be as fast as the mac if i have a good card on the pc?05:55
botlrokitanyone here running Kubuntu on an Acer laptop?05:55
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dr_williswell that would make sence.. the drive is proberly the bottleneck.05:55
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pierrethshould i check if the bios can boot with the firewire?05:56
fyyrest0rmok..did the dkpg-recongigure xserv-xorg and i'm back to a decent screen res..but now my glx stuff seems to be gone :(05:56
intelikeyoh NO !    "Setting up xserver-xorg-core (1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4) ... "  <<<---- is that the official bug release ?   or did i get a newer bug ?05:57
dr_willispierreth,  can ya think of a reason to NOT check? :P   if you plan on trying it, you should check the bios to see if it can boot off of 'removeable media/storeage'  it not.. well its time for plan B.05:57
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dr_willisi aint doing any updates for a week!05:57
pierrethdr_willis: i don't have to check for these kind of things on mac, this is why i think this way05:58
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dr_willisyou dont want to get me started on the problems i had with my mac. :)05:59
dr_williswhich is now sitting quietly in the garrage. :)05:59
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pierrethdr_willis: i am sorry, but my mac mini works perfectly like all macs that i had06:00
intelikeyyeah mac's are either lame or leet, and the only differance is your perspective at the moment   :)06:00
unix_infideldr_willis: which mack.06:00
dr_willispierreth,  yea.. sure06:00
dr_willisgot an imacDV - need one? :P06:00
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dr_willisits my spare 'ssh terminal' i use for emergancies06:01
pierrethdr_willis: no, don't know about this one06:01
unix_infideldr_willis: nah, if you find one of those clamshell ones.06:01
thompaedgy is an easy kernel upgrade06:01
unix_infideli'm down for that P06:01
dr_willisunix_infidel,  heh - dont need one of those.06:01
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unix_infideldr_willis: i'm saying...if YOU find one of those and want to sell them  :P06:01
unix_infideli'll buy it in a snap :)06:01
dr_willisHeh.. ebay!06:01
unix_infideldr_willis: too expensive on ebay.06:02
unix_infideli'm looking for sub10006:02
unix_infidelheck, for 300 i can buy a friggin awesome amd64 machine.06:02
fyyrest0rmcan someone please help me? I have no glx after reconfiguring xorg06:02
thompai just got amd64 duo core06:02
dr_willisseen linux box's at the stor for  $130 or so now. :P06:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:03
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:03
thompathere are some cheap hps coming maybe just format windos out first06:03
unix_infidelthompa: cheap hp's coming??06:04
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intelikeydr_willis hmm it costs that much to fill the fuel tank on a land-yhat  just to go get one.06:04
dr_willisThese $130 box's use that AMD 1750 Semperon (?) cpu i think. :P06:04
thompai think im going to be sorry cause i got mine a month ago06:04
unix_infideldr_willis: i'm talking like 250 for a amd64 3500 with 1GB ram and a 250GB hd.06:05
dr_willisunix_infidel,  bah! over kill. :P06:05
unix_infideldr_willis: for linux maybe.06:05
dr_willismy main box is 'low end' these days06:05
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dr_willisone of the Joys of Linux. :)06:06
intelikeyunix_infidel where is this box ?      you just may have my intrest peeked ?06:06
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Gun_SmokeIs there a GUI temperature monitor?06:06
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dr_willisOne good thing about Windows Vista - hopefully the cost of the hardware will get cheaper.. then ya can have some really kicking machines for $20006:06
intelikeyGun_Smoke gkrealm    maybe06:07
thompais there a link to the repositories on the net?06:07
thompaive botched mine up06:08
unix_infidelerm, amd64 370006:08
timothygun: cpuinfo06:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cpuinfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:08
timothyhow do I create a bot entry?06:09
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thompaso whats aiglx?06:10
intelikeytimothy you submit a sujestion   !blah is your definition of blah06:10
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Gun_Smokeintelikey:  I didn't find it in Synaptic06:10
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about aiglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:10
timothy!cpuinfo is http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3325706:10
intelikeyGun_Smoke i typo'd that   gkrellm06:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about alglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:11
faked_Hey, I'm trying to switch from an ethernet connection to a wireless connection, but everytime I enable the wireless driver in my network settings it just automatically disables itsself, how can I fix this problem?06:11
intelikeybut i'm not sure it does temp Gun_Smoke06:11
ubotuYou might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto06:11
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timothygun install lmsensors it has a gui now06:11
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intelikeytimothy gui now.... woo whooo06:12
intelikeylm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors06:12
apallo19mmmmmm gooey06:13
faked_Hey, I'm trying to switch from an ethernet connection to a wireless connection, but everytime I enable the wireless driver in my network settings it just automatically disables itsself, how can I fix this problem?06:13
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intelikeyinteresting     hddtemp - Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive06:14
rrbizfaked_: you're prob better off using konsole, with ifconfig06:14
apallo19is there a command or app that tells the ammount of time my machine's been running?06:14
intelikeyGun_Smoke this is what you want.    ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE06:14
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apallo19is it really that simple?06:15
intelikeyyep it's linux06:15
apallo19faked: try sudo ifdown -a06:15
faked_rrbiz: Fine with me, 'cept...I'm kinda new to linux, dunno how to use this "ifconfig"06:15
D4rklywhat was the command to reconfigure x06:15
apallo19then ifup <name of the eth card>06:15
apallo19*sudo ifup06:16
intelikeyD4rkly sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:16
pierrethi am looking at the gateway gt4015e, how can i know it will works with linux?06:16
D4rklyis this the best way to change resolution ?06:16
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Gun_Smokeintelikey:  I'd like to know what temp sensors I have, and what the temps are.06:17
intelikeyD4rkly only if you cant just change them in the kcontrol06:17
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intelikeyGun_Smoke yeah lm-sensor  and  ksensors    that's the ticket06:18
apallo19does ksensors depend on lm-sensor?06:18
intelikeythat's what it says06:19
intelikeyksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE06:20
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intelikeyktemperature - monitor the system temperature06:21
intelikeywmgtemp - Temperature sensor dockapp for Window Maker06:21
intelikeywmtemp - WM dock applet displaying lm_sensors temperature values06:21
intelikeyhere's another one06:23
intelikeyxmbmon - Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (X client)06:23
pierrethis there a place to buy linux computers?06:23
intelikeyDescription: Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (X client)06:23
intelikey (x)mbmon allows you to monitor hardware status using your motherboard's06:23
intelikey sensors. This information can be: temperatures, voltages and/or fan speeds.06:23
dr_willispierreth,  walmart.com  , Frys electroncs, Tigerdirect.com  ,  MonarchComputers.com06:23
apallo19better option would be to build your own...06:24
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pierrethdr_willis: but it is hard to know if it is compatible...06:24
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fyyrest0rm1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 good?06:24
intelikeyyeah anything you get form some if not all of those will be rh7.106:24
dr_willispierreth,  Huh? if its comming with linux preinstalled.... :P whats hard to know?06:24
dr_willisI think the Linspire disrto/site has a list of sites/stores also.06:25
pierrethdr_willis: there is computer with linux preinstalled?06:25
dr_willispierreth,  i just listed several sites that sell them :P06:25
pierrethdr_willis: whitout proprietary drivers?06:25
dr_williswalmart.com has been doing it for  2+ years now I think.06:26
pierrethcool, i didn't know06:26
dr_willissome come wth no disrto.. or pick your disrto.06:26
pierrethbut not in canada i think06:26
intelikeysure.   that's not a bad idea.    buy a linux box then install linux on it     lol06:26
dr_willisin Canada there is that Sub300.com  or sub500.com site06:26
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dr_willistheres getting to be a Lot of 'low end' linux machine sites out.06:26
fyyrest0rmadept is wanting me to upgrade my xorg to 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4. Is it safe to do so now?06:28
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NeoChaosXfyyrest0rm: yes06:30
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intelikeyfyyrest0rm seems to be, yes06:30
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DigitalNinjaAnyone using superkaramba06:30
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dr_willislots of people do06:31
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fyyrest0rmoff topic: can anyone else hit worldofwarcraft.com or is it just me?06:33
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fdovingfyyrest0rm: can't.06:34
fyyrest0rmfdoving: thanks06:34
fyyrest0rmsucks..just ready to add more time and can't hit the site lol06:34
intelikeyfyyrest0rm it's down.06:34
fyyrest0rmintelikey: thanks06:34
intelikeyand i'm bout down tooooooo06:34
spazzHow do I install w32codecs the easiest way?06:35
apallo19sudo apt-get install w32codecs06:36
spazzand .. is it better to install it with automatix06:36
spazzor .. another script if i want multiple codecs06:36
spazzor ..06:36
apallo19you should get libxine-extracodecs06:36
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ironfroggydoes wine include d3d libraries06:36
spazzinstead of w32codecs?06:37
dr_willisironfroggy,  i hear that wine can play some Direct3d games now.  so thats a yes.,06:37
faked_Hey, I'm trying to use ifconfig to get one of my network interfaces (my wireless one) to work but I dunno the syntax to activate it. I tried $ ifconfig eth1 up, but it said "permission denied"06:38
apallo19you need to put sudo in front of that06:38
ironfroggyi just installed it with apt and installed Oblivion, which winehq.com says it can run, but it can't find the d3d DLL so im confused.06:38
apallo19sudo ifconfig eth1 up06:38
faked_Tried sudo06:38
faked_SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory06:38
faked_that's what it returned.06:38
apallo19try sudo ifup eth206:39
faked_ifup: interface eth1 already configured06:39
spazzI tried sudo apt-get and it said could not get lock06:39
spazzunable to lock the admin directory06:39
ironfroggyspazz: have adept open?06:39
spazz... ah. no i didnt open it, but it was in the tray06:40
spazzit starts up with kubuntu .. looks like06:40
apallo19kill adept06:40
spazzclosed it06:40
spazzstill doing the same thing06:40
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apallo19another app locked it...06:41
faked_so what should I do now?06:41
spazzlike what? how do i fix it06:41
apallo19faked: do sudo ifdown eth106:42
apallo19then sudo ifup eth106:42
ironfroggywhat are the (if any) command line wlan facilities?06:42
lnxkdesomeone here have made his own desktop live/install cd?06:42
ironfroggyfor example, how do i specify which network to connect to on the command line?06:43
faked_okay it keeps doing this06:43
spazzargh this wont work06:43
faked_DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to port 67 interval 906:43
faked_send_packet: Network is down06:43
apallo19i dunno then,,,06:43
faked_clearly, the network is down. >_> how do I make it work?06:43
dr_willislnxkde,  SLAX is very easy to customize06:43
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spazzHow do I fix Ktorrent ... from stalling?06:44
dr_willisspazz,  it halting at 99.99% done?06:45
spazzI've had a few do that before, but ... generally just slow speeds and stalling every 5 seconds lol06:45
spazzheard that it was common problem06:45
spazzits some setting06:45
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dr_willisktorrent takes up 99% of CPU on my system06:46
dr_willistheres a few bugs they need to iron out.06:47
lnxkdedr_willis I need something to install kubuntu with all codecs, and added IDEs and soem nice C++ and dev things plus media capabilities06:47
dr_willisit was hanging at 99% for everything - untill i closed/reopened it.. then it would finish06:47
spazzwhats the best client to use?06:47
dr_willisspazz,  im using 'wine utorrent.exe' at the moment.06:47
spazzlnxkde - u and me both lol let me know what u find out the easiest way to do it06:47
dr_willisspazz,  and Thats only using like 3% cpu according to TOP06:47
actinichas the 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-core' bug been fixed?06:47
spazzyea i was using utorrent on my last install06:47
spazzjust couldnt download more than like 2gb06:48
dr_willisi just keep a history of my apt-get commands. :) and write my own script06:48
spazzfat32 dont support big files06:48
dr_williswhy even use fat32 any more :P06:48
spazzits wine06:48
dr_willisxp can read/write to linux partitions now :)06:48
spazzbut .. thats what wine uses06:48
dr_williswhat does fat32 have to do with wine?06:48
spazz... has to do with you not being able to save larger files with wine utorrent06:49
dr_willisi never had an issue.06:49
spazzbecause it saves it to fat32 in its wine dea.l06:49
dr_willisits saving them to my ext3 partition.06:49
spazz... like, its documented.06:49
spazzyea.. does to my home folder06:49
spazzbut .. it emulates fat32 filesystem06:49
spazzso it doesnt let u save files over like 2 or 3gb whichever one06:49
spazzapt-get not working ...06:50
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D4rklydoes anyone have the link to the composite transparency guide ?06:50
dr_willisnever noticed.. seems odd that it can handle games with huge data files then. :P06:51
shanehello people06:51
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dr_willisI dont think i got a single TORRENT download thats over 2gb. :)06:51
spazz.. yea, i download some iso and movies .. like svcd ect sometimes06:51
spazzthat are larger than 3gb at times06:51
spazzbut .. not often06:51
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fdovingspazz: the fat32 limit is 4gb.06:52
spazz... ah, 4gb.06:52
spazz...hmm. wonder what it was i was downloading where i got an error.06:52
spazzi know it was about the file limit though.06:52
spazz...argh apt-get broken.06:52
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dr_willisWeird Al "Don't Download This Song"06:53
dr_willisYou must have Windows Media Plug-in installed to use this application.06:53
dr_willis**#@&@ you Yahoo!06:53
spazzlinux. broken.06:53
shanehey I saw a shell script on kdeapps.org that supposedly installs a bunch of stuff on a fresh install of Kubuntu. The title of the app is "ANYKey Kubuntu Optimizer with Wine&XGL!" Anyone know anything about this, or if it works well or not?06:54
shaneUnfrtuneately the download links are broke at the moment or I think I would have tried.06:55
ketsugidr_willis: you want the direct download link?06:56
dr_willisspazz,  hmm..  i wouldent trust it. :P06:56
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dr_willisketsugi,  i got the song. ya got a direct link to the video? :P06:56
ketsugiI haven't seen the video yet06:56
shaneJust curious if you guys can see my messages06:56
ketsugiI didn't even know that song was actually downloadable06:57
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ketsugibecause in Flash for Linux, I don't see any text on the buttons06:57
dr_willisheh -  its mentioned on slashdot06:57
Kevin_hey how do i add a file to my sql database, maybe im in the wrong channel?06:57
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shaneIs this a help channel for Kubuntu?06:57
dr_willisweird al's myspace site has  the song for free06:57
fdovingshane: this is it.06:58
dr_willisshane,  i dont trust any of those 'auto-setstuffup-tools'06:58
ketsugidr_willis: where's the video page?06:58
dr_willisketsugi,  its on the yahoo music site.06:58
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shanedr_willis: alright I thought I was in the wrong place.06:58
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shaneWell I am sitting on a fresh install. What is the first thing I should do? Update repositories?06:59
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dr_willisand cant find much info on it.06:59
ubotulamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP06:59
dr_willisshane,  well.. theres a bug going on with the X update right now. so you may want to wait a day or 2 for that to get settled.06:59
dr_willisset up the other repos you like and perhaps apt-get update, but not sure if ya want to 'upgrade' just yet.07:00
shanedr_willis: ouch07:00
dr_willisIt may be fixed by now.. but its been hectic in #ubuntu all day.  The topic mentions the X broken issue.07:00
shanedr_willis: I see. So how about I try to install Nvidia drivers? I am ~New to linux but not really.07:01
ketsugihey dr_willis, I can't even load the page... in Firefox OR in Konqueror, i get the message saying "We don't support Macintosh". screw you, Yahoo! I'm using Linux.07:01
D4rklydoes anyone have the link for enabling composite transparency ?07:02
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dr_willisketsugi,  you are evil!07:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xcomposite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:02
shaneketsugi !!^(#&$07:02
ubotuxcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB07:02
dr_willisfirefox loads the page for me.. but then when i play the video it wants me to install some wmp extension.07:02
dr_willisso *@&@ yahoo!07:03
shaneketsugi "we don't support macintosh" how lame07:03
ketsugibugger, the only other computer I have around is a Mac Mini07:03
D4rklythere is a kubuntu guide on transparency somewhere07:03
ketsugishane: it's doubly lame, because I'm not even using a Mac!07:03
dr_willisHeh heh07:04
shaneketsugi I can't recall the last time I visited Yahoo. I say stay away.07:04
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ketsugiyeah well I want this music video :(07:04
shaneWhich one?07:04
shaneIf it is popular you might try to get a torrent.07:05
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:05
ketsugishane: it just premiered a few hours ago07:06
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ketsugiWeird Al Yankovic's "Don't Download This Song"07:06
shaneketsugi Tell me the name of it.07:07
ketsugithe mp3 is free for download ;p07:07
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dr_willisyep Heh07:07
dr_willisWeird Al is Cool07:07
dr_willisI bet his MySpace site is getting slash-dotted like crazy07:08
shanesorry to ask again but since I cannot upgrade would installing Nvidia drivers be a good thing to do first for a fresh install?07:08
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:09
dr_willisyea ya can proberly install them fine.07:09
dr_willisIm thinking the X issue has proberly been fixd by now also.07:10
shaneketsugi: You are right the music file is up for torrent download but the vid is not.07:10
dr_willismake sure dapper-updates repo. is enabled07:10
shanedr_willis I hate to ask but how do I make sure that is enabled?07:10
shaneI do not see that in my Repo list in Adept07:11
ketsugiHow can I properly enable Chinese fonts in KDE? All Chinese words show up as dots. Japanese is fine, and both languages display fine in Gnome.07:11
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ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource07:13
dr_willisshane,  yea. :P spend the time reading  the various help.ubuntu.com articals . is always a good use of time! :)07:14
dr_willisI need to read more of them.07:14
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ubotulamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP07:19
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shaneWhat is starting to suck for me is all these howto docs are so ubuntu specific you cannot follow them to a tee. There is always something that does not work.07:21
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shaneHey if it says breezy in my adept package manager... that means I dont have the latest version of kubuntu right?07:23
shaneI may have downloaded and installed the wrong version of Kubuntu.. laugh now please and then tell me how I find out what version I am running07:25
fdovingshane: no, breezy is not the latest. dapper is.07:25
ubotuUpgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.07:25
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shaneDang I though i downloaded  kubuntu-6.06.107:27
trappistshane: it's safe to upgrade to dapper, but if I were you I'd just redownload and start from scratch.07:27
shanetrappist I hate myself and want to die. But you are right I think I should do that.07:29
trappistshane: don't say that!  unless you're on dialup.07:29
shanetrappist its time to reboot to windows and torrent the SOB... be back to morrow with more annoying questions... grr07:31
trappistshane: you can torrent it from breezy07:31
spazzkubuntu is BROKEN07:31
shanetrappist might as well I guess07:32
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shanetrappist I like azureus though and ... I will try this one out whatever it is here.07:32
trappistshane: sudo apt-get install bittorrent; btdownloadcurses 'http://url.to/the.torrent'07:32
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trappistor use your favorite client07:33
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tulgahi all. I tried apt-get dist-upgrade. but "Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb  404 Not Found". howto solve it?07:35
apallo19from what i've seen, you're better off without it07:35
shaneI am still wet behind the ears. I ran your  sudo apt-get install bittorrent; btdownloadcurses and got some errors... but it did install from the looks of things... question is how do I run it07:36
spazzapt-get isnt working for me07:36
spazzit wont let me use it.07:36
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apallo19spazz, try restarting...07:36
spazz.. hmm, ill brb if it doesnt work lol.07:36
spazz... will logging out work just as good?07:36
spazzor does it actually need a full  reboot?07:36
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spazzi mean.. its basically windows lol07:37
apallo19when i get that prob, i usually do a full reboot07:37
apallo19but that could be habit from windows07:37
spazzeh alright, well ill do a full reboot.07:37
spazzill brb though.07:37
spazzif my hdd doesnt explode, lol.07:37
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shaneshould I get the "Desktop CD" or the "Alternate install CD"07:39
apallo19best bet is the dvd07:39
a-priorishane: unless you know you want the Alternative one, go with the "Desktop CD"07:40
shaneomg i am freaking out07:41
fdovingshane: the desktop cd is a live cd with a install icon on the desktop. the alternative one, is the good old text/cursor based installer.07:41
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shaneI just started the torrent and it is already going at 400kps07:42
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shaneok I am over it... just don't see that everyday07:43
apallo19it's pretty nice07:44
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shaneis there any way to look at or browse through hda1 if that is my windows install partition?07:49
shanedev/hda1 seems like it is locked up... I seem to remember copying files from a windows install partition before07:50
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shanedang already got 64% of the CD07:53
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D4rklyhas anyone got the link for installing and enabling nvidia-glx drivers07:56
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D4rklyive installed the nvidia-glx drivers but they dont see to display the nvidia splash ?07:58
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spazzaptget works now, but it wont find w32codecs07:58
D4rklyin xorg.cong do i replace nvidia with nv or replace nv with nvidia ?07:58
spazzhow do i add it in?07:58
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trappistD4rkly: it should say nvidia.08:00
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fyyrest0rmahh..feels good to have stuff working finally :)08:02
Snake[Gone] hmm08:02
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SnakeAnybody intresting in here...08:02
fyyrest0rmcan anyone suggest a good newsgroup client (similar to grabit for windows preferably)?08:02
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Snakesorry fyyrest0rm, don't know any :(08:03
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Hobbseei'm not interesting08:04
SnakeNa but I havn't seen you around for a bit :)08:04
SnakeYou stopped visiting #k-o08:04
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HobbseeSnake: indeed.  too many channels.  but konvi has a tree view now, which is cool08:05
SnakeHobbsee: ah I see, id check into it but those KDELibs arnt to comfy in gnome08:05
Hobbseetraitor :P08:05
SnakeHobbsee: I wish KDE ran better on this lappy, actually08:05
Tm_TSnake: you!08:05
Snakebut it drags, so here I am08:06
SnakeTm_T: me!08:06
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SnakeTm_T: Dude, was it you that made the ubuntu wallpaper w/ the 3 diffrent *buntu logos as one? (Or did I ask you this and you said you wernt... LOL)08:06
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bs_1975hello i was wondering if someone would mind helping me figure out all this linux stuff. I havent downloaded it yet still kind of confused but am very excited about finding an alternative to windows08:08
bs_1975hello is any one here08:09
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Martijn81woei a new version of amarok08:10
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Martijn81bs_1975: what do you wanna know?08:11
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bs_1975first I would like to know if it is possible to keep my windows xp on the same pc and run edubuntu08:12
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bs_1975second I would like to know if I could keep my itunes and divx and ac3 codec on edubuntu too08:13
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spazzwoo. i want to know how to get codecs working too08:14
Snakebs_1975: not sure08:14
spazzaptget wont find w32codecs08:14
bs_1975thirdly I would like to know is it possible while im learning to switch back and forth between the two os systems08:14
spazzso trying to figure out how to add repo08:14
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fyyrest0rmcan i get the java jre through apt?08:15
spazzyea bs_1975 its called dual booting08:15
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redbladesI just turned on my compuer and at the loading screen which says "kubuntu" and has a progress bar, it freezes, and will go no further.08:15
Martijn81bs_1975: possible, but keep in mind that linux and the ntfs filesystem are no friends... so writing to the windows partition is a nono if it' s not fat3208:15
bs_1975how long does it take to learn linux I barely understand windows speak a little mac and just heard about linux yesterday08:15
redbladesI had to use an old kernel to get here.08:16
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bs_1975whats ntfs and how do I write to it08:16
redbladesI'm really confused... I can't think of anything that might have changed.08:16
redbladesbs_1975 it the new Windows filesystem08:16
spazzthis feels like an interview hooray for the other people being inter..vi... wtf im going to shut up now08:16
redbladesSo, any idea's why that would be?08:17
Martijn81bs_1975: ntsf is the "nt" filesystem, you write to it when you i.e. moddify a text file and save it08:17
redbladesnt == new technologies08:17
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bs_1975well if I kept windows for my schooling and multimedia stuff and just used edubuntu for my daughter and to figure out this linux thing would that hurt my pc08:18
bs_1975also is downloading the os as easy as following directions or should I do some research first08:19
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Martijn81bs_1975: nope that should be ok, you just need to make two partitions (sections) on the hard disk, one for the system and one for the swap08:19
sakurawhen I booted up Kubuntu form the CD, the Spellchecking in OpenOffice worked just fine. But when I installed Kubuntu on the HDD, spellchecking refuses to work. Can anybody help?08:19
spazzsakura:  i suggest a large hammer08:20
spazzalways works for me08:20
sakuraanything else?08:20
Martijn81bs_1975: and install the grub bootloader to make a dualboot, but that's part of the installation process08:20
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spazzI think there is a repair option.08:20
spazzWhen you reboot with the install cd in.08:20
spazzmaybe try doing that?08:20
redbladesHi, I'm back, and I still can't get past that screen...08:20
bs_1975ok this is where  I get a little lost I have 2 hd drives my c has 30 gb left and my fdrive has over 200gb free which one would I want to partition08:21
sakuraevery time i install kubuntu, I have the same problem08:21
redbladesspazz? was that at me?08:21
sakuraI tried installing it several times08:21
spazz... uh, no, but maybe it might work for you too lol08:21
spazzi did it for me and it worked08:21
spazzafter i broke something08:21
redbladesWell, I'll rty.08:21
spazzwell wait08:21
sakurai have myspell packages installed08:21
spazzim not sure if it deletes your /home/ files08:22
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spazzmight want to look it up08:22
bs_1975oh and my pc is compaq with amd sempron is that compatible for this installation08:22
spazztry it and find out lol08:22
spazzdont know why it wouldnt work08:22
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redbladesspazz, did you say it might delelte my home directory?08:23
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spazz...redblades .. umm i dunno08:24
spazzi didnt have any personal files so i didnt check08:24
spazzi have lol, look it up08:24
spazzgoogle it08:24
spazzwhat i always have to end up doing08:24
redbladesI'm not in any position to...08:24
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spazzyou dont have a web browser?08:24
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redbladesI could try lynx... but not very good at it...08:25
spazzwhat is hard about it?08:25
spazzwhat are you using right now08:25
redbladesspazz: I dont have X...08:25
spazzyou are in console?08:25
Martijn81bs_1975: if you can work with utorrent, downloading should  be easy, otherwise you can still download de CD version with from browser.  I would choose the second drive to install on, but remember that the data gets lost while doing so... just be sure you don' t switch the drive after the installation,  the system wouldn' t find the mbr (some people intend to do so)08:25
spazzoh ... lol damn. im sorry lol. that sucks.08:25
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spazzwell. what did you need?08:25
spazzwhat is wrong with ur install? just x wont work?08:26
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bs_1975do I need to move all of my files off the drive I intend to partition for the installation of edubuntu08:27
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redbladesspazz it starts up fine, but when X is about to jump up, it all of a sudden shows the kubuntu first boot screen and the progress bar goes nowhere...08:28
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spazzeh. well do you have any personal files on there?08:30
redbladesCould I move them somewhere?08:30
redbladesLike out of /home... ?08:30
spazzreally i dont know what to tell you08:30
spazzi think you could use a live cd08:30
redbladesAnd do what?08:30
spazzand put them to external hard drive or somewhere on a network08:30
spazzi never keep personal files on anything but external hdd anymore lol ive learned lol08:31
Martijn81bs_1975: if you want to keep them you do, off course you can just shrink the partition it already has to make some space, this way you can keep the data. Though afaik the installation doesn't come with an indication of what part of the disk is used, so you might shrink it too short here. Personally i would transfer the data to the windows disk or use another sort of backup08:31
spazzthey are pretty cheap08:31
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bs_1975will the installation process show me how to partition and shrink and all other necessary actions needed to successfully complete the installation08:32
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orient2000Hi! Did you have your kubuntu working before? Did you update xserver-xorg-core.... lately?08:37
Jucatoit should be fixed now08:37
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.08:37
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orient2000you have to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 to downgrade08:38
Martijn81bs_1975: it's pretty much text based in the alternative disk, the desktop disk might have some more indications but i never used it myself so i can' t really tell08:38
funThomasikhovori tu niekto slovensky alebo cesky???08:39
Jucatothe servers/mirrors should already have the fixed xserver-xorg-core package by now...08:39
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Martijn81bs_1975: but the second disk is probably NTFS too right? I think you can't rezise that without windows, so you might wanna do that before getting started08:40
|Digitolian|could I please have the command to roll back  xserver-xorg-core  upgrade08:40
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"08:41
orient2000I only see update 10.308:41
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D4rklyi just copied a folder from a ntfs drive and now all files and sub-folders inside are read only how do i make them read and write ?08:41
orient2000you have to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 to downgrade08:41
sureshso basically everone here talks only about linux?08:41
petriaisuresh: oi!08:42
Jucatosuresh: actually about Kubuntu support. that's what the channel is for :-D08:42
sureshwhere are you man?08:42
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sureshoh ok. jucato08:42
_Pete_hey guys, do you know what IRCNET server one should use when connecting from Kuala Lumpur ?08:42
Jucato[AVERTISEMENT]  #kubuntu is for SUPPORT questions, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general Kubuntu, Linux, and anything else under the sky (and possibly anything above the atmosphere as well)08:42
sureshsorry man just wondering if there is anything else that goes on in here.08:42
sureshmy java applet is not working.08:43
sureshi am pretty new to this.08:43
Jucatono need to apologize08:43
JucatoI was just making an advertisement :-D08:43
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debHi *08:45
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sureshdoes one need windows be installed in order to use WINE?08:45
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JucatoHi ~/../..08:46
sureshjucato man.08:46
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Jucatosuresh: no you don't need windows to be installed to use Wine08:47
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thomas_is there a way to add intellisense like function parameter help to kdevelop for the allegro library?08:48
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D4rklywhat is the plugin for kopete called where it puts your contacts on the desktop ?08:51
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spazzhooray!! video playback is smooth now08:58
spazzand mp3s work08:58
spazzand utorrent wo..well i havent tried utorrent yet08:58
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Martijn81suresh: nope, just wine and linux08:59
TommyChello everyone08:59
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TommyCIm new to ubuntu/linux, infact i just finished installing it. Can anyone give me a few first hand tips?09:00
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spazzTommyC: What do you want to know, maybe I can help lol. I just figured out how to get my videos working.09:01
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TommyCLol, well pretty much whatever you know if thats not asking too much heh.09:02
TommyCAlot of my friends use it for server purposes, but they're not really the helpfull type.09:02
spazzWell I'd first tell you to look at www.ubuntuforums.org09:03
TommyCSomething i want to know at this very moment though, is there a more active off-topic kind of channel?09:03
spazzreal helpful. you can read the community (documents) which have basic guides et up09:03
spazzeh, yea, somewhere on irc09:03
spazzhavent really tried looking tho lol09:03
JucatoTommyC: there's an off-topic channel, but I'm not sure about the "active" part...09:03
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Jucato[AVERTISEMENT]  #kubuntu is for SUPPORT questions, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general Kubuntu, Linux, and anything else under the sky (and possibly anything above the atmosphere as well)09:03
TommyCi found the off-topic channel but its not quite active lol09:04
Jucatoyeah... I really don't understand why...09:04
Jucato(I'm there, btw...)09:04
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JucatoI'm not sure if the #ubuntu-offtopic channel is more active...09:04
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Jucato#kubuntu-offtopic isn't really just for off-topic talk. It's also for Kubuntu talk that doesn't fall under the "support" area. Still wondering why people barely go there, yet easily engage in non-support talk here... @_@09:06
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D4rklyhas anyone got desklist in adept ?09:08
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ubuntujoin scim09:09
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D4rklydesklist is a kopete plugin i used to have a repository enabled that had this on it09:10
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pockethy all09:11
JucatoD4rkly: it's not on the Ubuntu repos09:11
pockethow to play mkv file?09:11
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JucatoD4rkly: a Google search yields this link: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3208909:12
pocketwith mplayer it feel good but not in fullscreen09:12
spazzutorrent wont work09:12
spazzdamn linux09:12
spazzi give up09:12
Jucato @_@09:13
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Bilfordwhats wrong with KTorrent09:13
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TommyCi wish the internet was more linux friendly09:14
Jucatospazz: I hope you're not blaming Linux for not being able to run a program that was built for Windows...09:14
JucatoTommyC: what do you mean?09:14
orient2000get gnutella it works right away Ktorrent is so slow09:14
TommyCseems like everything you could download was made for windows09:14
TommyCand most of it was just made for windows09:14
Jucatothat's not the internet's responsibility, is it? ^_^09:14
TommyCi blame bill gates, but i blame him for everything09:15
julienI'm searching for the name of a software under Linux. It looks like Photoshop, I believed it was called "Pixel Art" but I don't find it, do you remember a soft like this ?09:15
TommyCbecause hes an easy target and hes way too rich for his own good09:15
Bilfordwhere is kdf09:15
Martijn81spazz: maybe you should give ktorrent a try, it does a good job09:15
Jucatothe internet is mostly Linux friendly or open source friendly. Most servers run on Linux or BSD09:15
Bilfordkwikdisk isnt in the repos09:15
JucatoBilford: kwikdisk is part of kdf. kdf is in the universe repository09:16
ubotukdf: disk space utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 320 kB, installed size 948 kB09:16
TommyCalot of linux programs look like they'll be usefull to me when i start college again, im a chem major and i like that periodic chart program09:16
spazzMartijn81: ktorrent is worse09:17
Jucatojulien: I think it's Pixel Paint?09:17
spazzthats WHY i was using utorrent09:17
spazzktorrent likes to stall all the time09:17
BilfordJucato, it's not in mine09:17
spazzand not finish files09:17
julienPixel Paint !!! Well thank you09:17
spazzand have read errors and write errors09:17
JucatoBilford: your universe repository might not be enabled09:17
Martijn81spazz: have you tried 2.0.1? What is wrong with it?09:17
BilfordJucato, ok, I thought I enabled all of them.. I'll go look again09:18
ketsugiWhere can I find a list of KDE icon names?09:18
BilfordJucato, weird,  I enabled all of them.. now theyre not enabled09:18
Bilfordoh well, that answers that09:18
spazzno, i dont have latest ktorrent.09:18
JucatoI haven't had problems with KTorrent, or at least nothing noticeable. It does stall at around 98-99% though, but I'm not bothered..09:18
spazzeh i dont want something that is unreliable09:19
Jucatoso you find utorrent, which doesn't want to run on Linux, even through wine, more reliable?09:19
Martijn81spazz: there is A LOT different in 2.0, you should really give it a try again09:19
BilfordJucato, I mustve forgotten to click Apply09:19
JucatoBilford: probably09:20
spazzHow do I get swiftfox in apt-get?09:20
spazzdoesnt seem to be there.09:20
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JucatoI've heard some people have successfully run uTorrent through Wine09:20
spazzI .. had utorrent running good through wine on another install on a diff computer09:20
spazzbut its buggy on this one09:21
BilfordKTorrent works great09:21
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Bilfordhave you even tried KTorrent09:21
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spazzKtorrent i always hear about stalling and it did for me when i used it09:21
Bilfordhave you even tried KTorrent09:21
Jucatoazureus would be perfect... if not for the heaviness that JVM brings...09:21
spazzguess i could try new version tho09:21
Bilfordyeah, theres a new version09:21
orient2000Hey, anybody is using Gnutella?09:21
Jucatospazz: on my system, it only stalls at 99% but proceeds after a few minutes09:22
spazz.. on ALL your downloads?09:22
Jucatospazz: no09:22
BilfordI use it all the time09:22
Jucatonot on all. just soe09:22
spazz.. just some? and it takes like 3-5 min for it to finish?09:22
spazzapt-get says i have the newest version09:23
spazzbut .. i looked in the about ktorrent box09:23
spazzsaid it wasnt09:23
julienOk I found the soft: http://www.kanzelsberger.com/img/theme.png09:23
spazzktorrent 1.209:23
Jucatospazz: that's the newest version in the repositories09:23
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Jucatobut the latest version (not available in the repositories yet) is 2.009:24
Martijn81spazz: the stalling is fixed, in fact, many bugs are fixed, 2.0 was not only a feature release09:24
Jucatojulien: yep, Pixel Paint. I'm not sure if it's absolutely free, though.09:25
spazzi just downloaded the newest one from the site09:25
spazzits a .deb file09:25
spazz... i cant install it09:25
Jucatospazz: yes you can09:26
Jucatospazz: sudo dpkg -i <.deb name>09:26
julienNein, it costs $32 !09:26
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julienIt's called "Pixel Image Editor"09:27
spazzit had an error09:27
spazzlike always09:27
Jucatospazz: installation error?09:28
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spazzthis is so irritating09:28
spazzi cant paste anything in here without it flooding and .. bah i give up on it for now think im going to sleep09:29
JucatoI wouldn't be surprised if you're running into installation errors. you are installing a .deb file, something not from the repositories...09:29
mindspinIs it just me, or do other's firefoxes freeze on certain sites ?09:29
Jucatojulien: oh... ehehe09:29
spazzhow do i install it from the repos?09:29
Jucatospazz: you can't. at least not the 2.0 version09:29
Bilfordsudo dpkg -i  name.deb09:29
Bilfordare you sure youre typing that correctly09:30
Martijn81spazz: you can't because it's not backported yet09:30
spazzi cant get utorrrent wine to close09:30
spazzwont respond09:30
Jucatoand it won't be backported... coz backports are dead, for now...09:30
spazzwhere is that xkill app?09:30
spazz... so .. i just want 2.0 to work09:30
Jucatospazz: Ctrl+Alt+Esc09:30
spazzdeb wont work for me09:30
spazzwhat does that do?09:30
JucatoCtrl+Esc shows the System Process Monitor09:31
spazzhooray! it works09:31
JucatoCtrl+Alt+Esc is the keyboard shortcut for xkill09:31
BilfordI never knew about Ctrl+Alt+Esc09:31
spazzit makes it a skull rofl09:31
Bilfordnice skull and crossbones09:31
Bilfordspazz, all former Windows users go through that.  You try to use Wine for everything, you want everything to work like Windows09:31
Jucatospazz: did you download the KTorrent 2.0 deb specifically made for Kubuntu?09:31
Bilfordbut eventually, you learn that Linux > Windows09:32
Bilfordand you rarely use Wine09:32
JucatoBilford: but uTorrent does work on Wine. at least most of the time09:32
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D4rklywhat codecs do i need to play video clips in konq09:32
Bilfordwhy use uTorrent09:32
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BilfordKTorrent works great09:32
JucatoBilford: cause he wants to?09:32
Jucatocause he likes it?09:32
Bilfordthats what LInux is all about09:32
Bilfordpersonal choice09:32
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spazzBilford: lol ive been using win 3.0 > xp and osx panther > tiger ... and like 15 diff linux distros09:33
JucatoD4rkly: you mean inside Konqueror?09:33
spazz... and had a prob with most of them09:33
spazzi know utorrent works in wine09:33
spazzjust being buggy on this install for some reason09:33
RawSewagespazz, you sound like a Windows user09:33
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spazzabout to reboot see if that doesnt fix it09:33
JucatoD4rkly: just right-click on it and select Preview?09:33
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spazz... yea. would rather be in windows really09:33
spazzbut it refuses to install on this.09:33
spazzeven the factory restore cds, they give me installation errors. argh.09:34
spazzI've used Linux a lot before, just I don't know about all the new ways of getting progs through these apps and repos... but know that now..09:34
Jucatodon't you get some sort of support for that spazz? I mean you did pay for it so you're entitled to something...09:34
spazzand .. command lien stuff.09:34
spazzyea but this thing is 6 years old09:34
spazzthe lcd is dead and ...09:35
spazzits not worth the money09:35
spazzso eh.. just said hell with it .. and settled with linux09:35
spazzubuntu kept giving me problems..09:35
spazzand finally kubuntu worked alright09:35
spazzlatest updates.09:36
RawSewagespeaking of updates, I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu today, and one isnt working09:36
spazzlinux chooses when it wants to work09:36
spazz... much like.. stupid xp install cds.09:36
Jucatospazz: actually, it's the distro and the CD you burn that chooses that :-D09:37
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JucatoRawSewage: in what way is it not working?09:37
spazzand the hdd09:37
RawSewageIm looking now09:37
spazzand microsoft and coca cola09:37
spazzand santa claus09:37
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JucatoI wasn't joking about the distro and the CD you burn...09:37
RawSewageJucato, xserver-xorg-core09:37
spazzlmfao i know you were09:37
spazzthats why i said that :P09:37
RawSewageIt's broken.  wont update09:38
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"09:38
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.09:38
RawSewageI wish I'd known that before doing a complete reinstall09:38
RawSewageI thought I broke it doing something else09:38
TommyCwhats everyone doing?09:38
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spazzgoing to sleep09:38
spazzlater everyone09:39
spazzwill try fixing this later09:39
TommyClol its 3:30am where i am09:39
spazzhere too09:39
Jucatobye spazz! hope you have better luck when you wake up :-D09:39
spazzgood thing i dont work tommorow lol09:39
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spazzJucato: thanks lol i will be here  to see you tommorow lol09:39
TommyCi have work, and i need to move my stuff into my dorm tommorow09:39
spazzim sure i can get linux working tho09:39
spazzi already figured out how to get my mp3s and movies (divx/xvid) to play and work smoothly09:40
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spazznot dropping frames like it was on my last install09:40
spazzwhich im blaming on evil automatix09:40
spazzi did everything through apt-get this time09:40
spazzcept new ktorrent wont work09:40
RawSewage!ms fonts09:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ms fonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:40
spazzand utorrent not working09:41
ubotuFont installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto09:41
ubotuNo fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer09:41
ubotumsttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB09:41
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RawSewageHobbsee, ty09:41
James_CoxHey all09:41
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Jucatowhoa! Hobbsee's there...09:41
James_Coxi have a problem wiht my kubuntu not booting09:41
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spazzThis .deb refuses to install.09:41
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spazzwhat to do...09:41
RawSewageI installed the latest KTOrrent .deb yesterday09:42
Jucatospazz: I thought you were going to sleep? ehehe09:42
TommyChey guys im constantly getting an xml in firefox, can anyone help me09:42
spazzwell now i want it to work lol09:42
Martijn81spazz: paste it in paste-bin just like anyone else does09:42
Jucatospazz: you could probably start by explaining how it "refuses to install"09:42
RawSewageare you typing this correctly.  pay attention:   sudo dpkg -i name.deb09:42
JucatoTommyC: what XML?09:42
James_Coxit goes through and loads the drivers with the kubuntu logo showing, then the screen goes black and it hangs, i ctl+alt+f1 and logged in that way, but when i went to startx it gives me a fatel error09:42
RawSewageare you sure youre even in the right folder09:42
Martijn81spazz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/09:42
James_Coxanything further is beyond my knowledge09:42
JucatoJames_Cox: read what I'm going to post09:43
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"09:43
TommyCjucato: everytime i try to download something (at the moment java) it gives me an xml error09:43
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James_Coxjucato: shall give it a go now09:43
JucatoTommyC: you're trying to download Java?09:44
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TommyCJucato: yes09:44
onTecHnohi! why does ntfsmount open new processes continuesly after tping sudo ntfsmount --help and doesn't react?09:44
Jucato!java > TommyC09:44
JucatoTommyC: I'm not sure about the XML error, but installing Java is done differently09:45
Jucatospazz: have you tried removing the older KTorrent first?09:45
Jucato ^_^09:46
spazzthought it took care of all of that.09:46
spazz..thought linux was the shit09:46
spazzbut its a lot of work09:46
Jucatoonly if you're installing through apt09:46
James_Coxjucato: its come back and said it cant find xserver-org-core09:46
spazzhow do i remove it?09:46
fyyrest0rmok..a little more help if someone doesn't mind? lol. I'm having no trouble at all using network shares that are on win machines, but when i try to access a kubuntu share from a win machine it keeps wanting a username/pw?09:46
JucatoJames_Cox: xserver-xorg-core, you forgot an x in the xorg09:46
Jucatospazz: either using Adept or apt-get. if using apt-get "sudo apt-get remove ktorrent"09:47
James_Coxjucato: it's downgrading now09:47
onTecHnoanyone an idea why ntfsmount hangs up while creating processes continuesly?09:47
spazzi still get the same error09:47
spazzafter i removed it09:47
spazzand tried the deb again09:47
spazzerr well wait09:48
spazzits a different one09:48
Jucatoehehe pastebin again...09:48
James_Coxjucato: and reboot when done09:48
TommyCjucato: im looking on the add/remove for sunjava but i cant find it and i did a search and they couldnt find it09:48
Martijn81spazz: and you' re installing a previous version, there is 2.0.1 al.lready09:48
spazzi dunno i just want the latest version09:49
JucatoMartijn81: I think the latest stable is still 2.0?09:49
spazzi have that deb09:49
JucatoTommyC: don't use Add/Remove...09:49
spazzit wont install tho09:49
Jucatospazz: that seems to be a common error...09:49
Jucatohold on a sec while I think of a way...09:50
Martijn81Jucato: no 2.0.1 has some bugfixes: http://ktorrent.org/downloads/2.0.1/ktorrent_2.0.1-1_i386.deb09:50
TommyCjucato: im going to try using konsole09:50
JucatoTommyC: yes. "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin09:51
spazzi think im going to call it a night09:51
Jucatospazz: try this: "sudo mv /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop ~/" that should move the .desktop file to your home directory09:51
spazzthis isnt going to work  tonite09:51
spazz... eh alright09:51
JucatoMartijn81: I see09:52
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spazzsstill gives me same error09:52
spazzWell, I will reboot and try in the morning09:52
spazzif it doesnt work then ill mess with it later09:52
spazzbut night everyone09:52
Jucatospazz: try deleting it in the mrorning09:53
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Jucatothe x-bittorrent.desktop file, I mean09:53
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Martijn81spazz: it's because the file in kdelibs is different, you can just force this09:53
TommyCjucato: it let me type the sudo apt-get thing, but now it tells me to enter my password and it wont let me type it09:54
JucatoTommyC: you really won't see the letters that you are typing. but it's typing. try it09:54
TommyCoh ok09:54
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fyyrest0rmanyone care to help with a small samba issue?09:54
Martijn81spazz: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install ktorrent_2.0*09:55
TommyCjucato: it says "could'nt find package sun-java5-bin09:55
Jucatoor "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite <.deb _file>" right?09:55
JucatoTommyC: hold on a sec09:55
TommyCjucato: ok09:55
spazzJucato:  that MIGHT have worked09:56
onTecHnohi! why does ntfsmount open new processes continuesly after tping sudo ntfsmount --help and doesn't react?09:56
Martijn81Jucato: i believe so yes09:56
spazzI just opened it.09:57
JucatoTommyC: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu and go to the part about adding Universe and Multiverse09:57
spazzSays Ktorrent 2.009:57
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spazznow i can sleep easy lol09:57
draikTommyC, type 'sudo apt-cache search sun'09:57
JucatoTommyC: then after that, in Konsole (do this in Konsole only) type in "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin"09:57
draikTommyC, type 'sudo apt-cache search java'09:57
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Jucatohe won't have them if multiverse isn't enabled...09:58
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Jucatospazz: ehehe! all thanks to Martijn8109:58
halfbloodprinceHey, people09:58
spazzyeah thanks both of u09:58
Jucatohi Severus Snape09:58
James_Coxjucato: brilliant jacato, worked a treat09:58
halfbloodprinceWell, I'm here 'coz I was interested in installing Kubuntu on my machine.. I want to dual boot with Windows09:59
pcHi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.09:59
TommyCjucato: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin09:59
JucatoTommyC: yep.09:59
TommyCit says it couldnt find package09:59
halfbloodprinceThing is, I'm a graphic designer, and I use Photoshop and Illustrator extensively10:00
TommyCand i did the search thing first10:00
Martijn81spazz: remember that a dist-upgrade might need you to remove ktorrent because of the force, this is not bad, just remember to not start ktorrent before you reinstalled it10:00
JucatoTommyC: did you enable multiverse like the web page I linked to said?10:00
RawSewageI just installed the new KTorrent10:00
RawSewageno errors at all10:00
halfbloodprinceAnd I've tried Gimp and Inkscape, and I didn't find then to be as good as Adobe applications10:00
TommyCjucato: Umm? I didnt see anything about enabling multiverse10:00
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spazzI dont undestand what you mean by that.10:00
Jucato"TommyC: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu and go to the part about adding Universe and Multiverse"10:01
TommyCjucato: ok10:01
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RawSewagethats weird10:01
RawSewageWhat happened to the KTorrent plugin that watches a folder for torrents10:02
halfbloodprinceJucato: Can you help me out?10:02
pcHi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.10:02
Jucatohalfbloodprince: I'm not sure if Photoshop CS runs in Wine...10:02
Martijn81spazz: some package might break because they use the same file, but now this file is another file10:03
spazzso how do i prevent it from breaking?10:03
halfbloodprinceJucato: Does that mean that I shouldn't use Kubuntu?10:03
spazzhooray ktorrent already stalling10:03
spazzlike crazy10:03
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spazzi think it wil never work lol10:03
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Jucatohalfbloodprince: that depends on you, really. But you should try if Photoshop will run in Wine10:04
spazzwell later10:05
halfbloodprinceJucato: Hmmm... I've used Suse Linux 10 before.. and it worked fine.. I mostly didn't like it because of incorrect rendering of Truetype fonts.. but I think that can be sorted out..10:05
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orient2000where can I get wine?10:05
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.10:05
Jucato!info wine10:05
ubotuwine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB10:05
halfbloodprinceorient2000: in your local wine shop :p10:05
halfbloodprinceas you can see, i'm not very funny10:06
Jucato @_@10:06
orient2000that would be on a weekend I like australian wine ubuntu10:06
halfbloodprinceJucato: Does Kubuntu render Truetype fonts correctly? As good as, say, Windows?10:06
TommyCjucato: Im confused, im using ubuntu not kubuntu10:07
Jucatohalfbloodprince: I wouldn't know... I can barely detect differences in fonts...10:07
halfbloodprinceJucato: Alright..10:07
JucatoTommyC: huh? you are in #kubuntu... so I presumed you were using Kubuntu10:07
TommyCwhen i started this up it put me here10:07
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JucatoTommyC: started up what?10:08
Jucatoerr.. Kaffeine is a video player...10:08
Martijn81spazz: you can' t10:08
TommyCi mean knversation, i think10:08
BilfordNote to Kubuntu Developers:  Make default Session setting to be:  Start with an empty session10:08
JucatoTommyC: then you're using Kubuntu10:08
TommyCjucato: whatever this chat program is, when i started it up it put me here10:08
TommyCit says ubuntu on the cd and cd cover10:09
fyyrest0rmanyone care to help with a small samba issue?10:09
TommyCand on the loading screen10:09
TommyCi got konversaion from add/remove10:09
Martijn81spazz: but if it does, you may want to try and remove the package temporary (only not run an older ktorrent on the same profile in ~/.kde)10:09
Jucatook then follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu10:09
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JucatoRawSewage:  the default session that Kubuntu uses has some loaded stuff, probably that's why it doesn't start with an empty session by default10:10
RawSewageJucato, I dont think it's worth it10:10
RawSewagenew users gather too much garbage10:10
RawSewagerunning apps10:11
RawSewageslowing everything down10:11
JucatoWell, they can always switch to starting with an empty session. It's easier for them to do that than to initially figure out how to make KMix and Katapult start upon login10:11
pcHi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.10:12
RawSewageJucato, a better solution would be for it to :  Restore Manually Saved Session10:12
JucatoRawSewage: which would make sense if they would know how to manually save a session, plus that they would have to save a session everytime they want to restore the session...10:13
TommyCjucato: Thanks alot, its working great now.10:13
Jucatobesides, it's not only Kubuntu. IIRC, other distros, default to saving and restoring previous sessions10:13
RawSewageJucato, no, it would load the Kubuntu Team's manually saved session10:14
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HobbseeRawSewage: i think so too.10:15
JucatoRawSewage: but then if they end a session, they would expect, more or less, that the session will be saved and restored10:15
Hobbseeit's currently set to restore current sessino10:15
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RawSewageit just collects too much baggage over time10:15
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RawSewagethats my opinion, anyway10:15
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JucatoIt would probably be good if the other distros didn't default to restore current session. But I'm not sure if it's a Linux trend...10:16
RawSewagerunaway processes never die10:16
fyyrest0rmkubuntu + samba + windows network = Don't have permission to view kubuntu share..anyone?10:16
arepieyesterday, after i install xpdf, my computer stuck, and after restart the computer, hangs before loading the desktop.10:17
JucatoRawSewage: I think a better alternative would be to have an checkbox asking if you want to save the current session in the logout dialog box...10:17
Jucatoarepie: did you upgrade before that?10:17
RawSewagethat would be annoying10:17
JucatoRawSewage: how come?10:17
Jucatoit's just a checkbox. not a popup10:18
RawSewageI think 'Restore Manually Saved Session' is the best solution,10:18
RawSewagewhich loads the Kubuntu Teams saved session10:18
RawSewagethe user can change that later if they want10:18
RawSewageI dont want an annoying popup every time I log off10:18
JucatoRawSewage: I said it was a checkbox, NOT a popup...10:18
RawSewagebut in any case10:19
arepieJucato yes i did update..10:19
RawSewagethe current default is a bad idea10:19
Jucatoa checkbox IN the logout dialog box. the one that displays when you click on Log Out10:19
Jucatoarepie read this:10:19
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"10:19
nnn0the checkbox should be in the login screen "continue from last?"10:20
arepiethe problem is, i already reformat again.. and what should i use to read .pdf file?? i can't read some of my pdf file with kpdf..10:20
Jucatonnn0: that would presume that the previous session was saved10:21
nnn0yes it should always be saved10:21
Jucatoarepie: you can try xpdf again. or KGhostScript10:21
ubotuxpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.01-7build1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB10:22
nnn0just like in the firefox session saver :)10:22
Jucatonnn0: but even firefox does not have that behavior by default10:22
JucatoRawSewage's idea might be worth a shot. the only problem will be trying to avoid confusion10:22
nnn0but it should :D10:22
orient2000I have already wino on kubuntu but I can not find it10:22
Jucatoorient2000: you won't find it in the K Menu, that's for sure10:23
RawSewageJucato, it was your idea.  I just didnt think the default should be Restore Prev SEssion10:23
JucatoRawSewage: I was talking about your idea of not restoring the previous session10:23
orient2000where is it then  how to run it?10:24
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Jucatoorient2000: you run wine in the command line by doing something like "wine <.exe file>" of course you either have to be in the directory where the .exe file is10:24
Jucatoor know the complete path/address to that .exe file10:24
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Jucatolike "wine /path/path/path/program.exe"10:25
orient2000in console?10:25
Jucatoorient2000: yep10:25
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JucatoYou could also probably right-click on the .exe file in Konqueror and choose "Open With" and type in wine10:25
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Jucatobut that has problems with Multiple install CD's10:25
fyyrest0rmcan someone please help me with a small samba problem?10:26
JucatoI guess the samba experts are out...10:26
Jucatowould anyone know how I could burn a .WMV file to VCD format?10:28
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Jucatothanks. I don't know why my relatives seem to like sending their videos as WMV...10:29
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RawSewageWindows Movie Maker10:30
JucatoI forgot about that one...10:30
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pielgrzymhello everybody :)10:30
pielgrzymquick question - there's that new X update availible - I've heard rumours that it's causes more trouble than good?10:31
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.10:31
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"10:31
orient2000get 10.4 by adept it is there10:32
pielgrzymthanks :)10:32
Jucatoorient2000: that will depend on which server/mirror he/she is using10:32
Jucatobut by now, all servers/mirrors should already be updated10:32
pielgrzymI can install 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 so it should be ok :)10:32
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arepiedoes xpdf support 64bit ?10:33
orient2000deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main                    new repositories to add in adept to get 10.410:33
JucatoI think he said 10.4 is already there10:34
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arepieorient2000: i got error10:34
orient2000well I did not reboot yet10:35
Jucatoarepie: what error? for xpdf?10:35
arepieno.. for the adept to get 10.4 the reps10:36
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RawSewage!konqueror default10:36
ubotukonqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1911 kB, installed size 5168 kB10:36
Jucatoarepie: you don't need to add that repository if the serves are updated already10:36
RawSewageI dont think it's  necessary to make a dumbed down version of Konqueror10:36
arepiei see..10:37
JucatoRawSewage: I don't think they have plans to10:37
Jucatoor I'll kill them10:37
RawSewageJucato, it already is10:37
RawSewageyes, it's true10:37
Jucatoplease explain?10:37
RawSewageyoure using a version of Konqueror that has many features removed10:37
Jucatofor example?10:37
RawSewagethey can be restored easily enough10:37
RawSewageI just have to find the folder10:37
JucatoRawSewage: that's not about "dumbing down" Konqueror10:38
RawSewagebeing able to save setting for each folder, for one10:38
arepiewish me luck installisng xpdf..10:38
D4rklyhas anyone got the guide for enabling transparency on windows10:38
RawSewagethe Go button10:38
RawSewageand many other things10:38
Jucatoit's about Profiles and distro defaults10:38
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Jucato"dumbing down" is when you actually remove the feature permanently.10:38
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Jucatoevery distro chooses their own defaults. But the difficult thing about defaults is that it's bound to displease somebody10:39
D4rklymplayer plugin in firefox has sound but no video ?10:39
RawSewageJucato, do you know what folder that file is in10:39
D4rkly how do i install the w32 codecs ?10:40
RawSewage!w32 codecs10:40
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:40
JucatoRawSewage: you have to add the entry in the ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc file. It's an XML file10:41
RawSewageI think thats the wrong folder10:42
RawSewageI remember from last time, it was already there10:42
RawSewageI just had to rename the backup10:43
Jucatohold on a sec10:43
RawSewageoh wait10:43
RawSewageI had Hidden Files on10:43
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JucatoI gave you that path because that's for user-only settings.10:43
RawSewageit was in another folder10:43
RawSewageoutside home10:44
JucatoI think you were looking for this: /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc10:44
Jucatothat's the original config. /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc is the one being used10:44
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RawSewageok, to restore original settings for Konq, you do these 2 lines as USER, NOT SUDO10:50
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RawSewagecp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc10:50
RawSewagecp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/* ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/10:50
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RawSewageI remember messing it up last time doing it with sudo10:50
ubotuSee http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages10:51
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nagyvhello! yesterday I have upgraded the xorg package, but now X doesn't start. What could I do? (now I am in recovery mode, and I feel myself a bit lost)10:52
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orient2000how did you get here from recovery mode?10:53
nagyvI ahve installed the sirc package10:54
nagyvshould I reconfigure X? or something?10:54
nagyvJucato, yesterday you were writing about the xorg package. I have it updated, but now X doesn't start. Could you help me, pls.10:55
orient2000sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 and then reboot10:56
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nagyvorinent2000, thx, hope to see you from the X next time :)10:57
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orient2000you will for sure10:57
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RawSewage[Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:16]  <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.11:06
RawSewage[Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"11:06
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eeosRawSewage yes, I did realise yesterday after the laptop froze11:11
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RawSewageeeos, I didnt.  I did a total reinstall, reformat11:16
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eeosRawSewage  ach! I went back, started in text mode, set the right xservercore11:17
ketsugiGah, why is that that Konqueror doesn't set the pwd for servicemenu scripts properly?11:17
RawSewagemy hard drive needed a defrag anyway11:17
eeosRawSewage I am really sorry, but the idea of making available a dangerours package is at least peculiar11:17
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DeBertIs it me, or is Konqueror's javascript support really buggy?11:18
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uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free11:18
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RawSewagewhats the name of the unrar-nonfree package11:19
RawSewageor rar non-free11:19
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:19
orient2000I started sirc in a recovery mode but do not know how to use it. Does anybody know this program?11:20
RawSewageE: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate11:20
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RawSewageit's just plain unrar11:22
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Healot!info unrar-nonfree11:23
ubotuPackage unrar-nonfree does not exist in dapper11:23
Healot!info unrar11:23
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Healot!info unrar-free11:23
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB11:23
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nalphai want to edit PDF file what software can do it???11:36
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pieter_can someone help me with my xserver?11:37
pieter_it's not workig...11:37
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RawSewage[Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:16]  <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.11:38
RawSewage[09:06]  <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"11:38
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nagyvhello! how can I define a new protocol? I would like to use Skype whenever I click on a callto:// link. How can I do this in KDE?11:38
orient2000got 10.4 with adept with errors, rebooted and is ok. there is a time and a date at log in11:39
pieter_RawSewage: thanks11:40
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nagyvhello orient2000. now I am using X! thx :)11:40
waylandbillnagyv: kio plugin of some sort.11:40
pieter_i upgraded yestarday11:40
pieter_RawSewage: not working11:40
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pieter_downgraded but...11:40
orient2000I can see that. I tried sirc but do not know the comments11:41
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waylandbilldoes anyone know if a Rage Mobility M3 supports 3d accel?11:41
RawSewagepieter_, I dont know anything about that11:41
RawSewageI did a total reformat/reinstall  lol11:41
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pieter_RawSewage: something with freefontpath11:42
pieter_sudo apt-get remove xorg11:45
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pierre_I've a pb : my kubuntu dapper can't start11:45
pieter_my x can't start11:45
macdopierre: [11:38]  <RawSewage> [09:06]  <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-11:46
pierre_ok thanks11:47
macdoHow did I guess?11:47
orient2000sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1011:47
pieter_if i start my pc, it shws the login screen11:47
macdopierre_: pas de probleme11:47
pieter_when i log in, it shows me the login screen again11:48
RawSewagewhat a mess11:48
pieter_when i do startx, x server starts for 1 second11:48
RawSewagethis update is terrible for K/Ubuntu11:49
orient2000are you in a recovery mode?11:49
RawSewagemaking everyone's computer useless11:49
orient2000restart in a recovery mode, log in and type sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1011:49
orient2000then ctr alt del and ready11:50
macdoI was lucky - my laptop was on and connected when i rebooted the desktop after upgrade...11:50
macdoso it took about 10 secs to deal with the prob11:50
pieter_k, someone with a solution for me?11:51
Tm_TSnake[Sleep] : that was me yes11:51
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orient2000read mu messages pieter11:52
orient2000my messages11:52
pieter_not working11:52
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pieter_it is not the update that gies problems11:52
orient2000did you start in a recovery mode?11:52
pieter_not yet11:52
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pierre_ctrl+alt+del start X ?11:53
orient2000ctrl alt f1   log in sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 reboot11:53
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pieter_i'm in recovery mode11:54
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orient2000type sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1011:54
pierre_thank you orient2000 and macdo, now it's ok11:56
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pieter_............ is already the newest version11:56
pieter_what now?11:56
orient2000wow make sure next version to upgrade is 10.411:56
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ahriman2kHi @ all. I've a problem with my Adept manager. When i want to update there stands: "waiting for headers 0%" all the time11:58
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orient2000ctr alt del11:59
Jucatoisn't it ctrl+alt+backspace?12:00
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eldenctrl+alt+backspace for restarting X12:00
pielgrzymhello :)12:00
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pielgrzymI've got a simple guestion12:00
pielgrzymI want to have the compiz only for the expose feature - will it run smoothly on radeon 9200?12:01
pielgrzymo :)12:01
orient2000no idea12:01
pielgrzymkurcze :)12:01
pielgrzyminstalling compiz takes a while?12:01
eldeni have an ati card here, it doesn't run compiz at all12:01
Jucatopielgrzym: you could try Kompose for a simple Expose-like feature12:01
pielgrzymJucato: cool :) it's in normal repositories?12:02
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ubotukompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB12:02
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Jucatoit's  in universe12:02
pieter_not working12:02
Jucatopieter_: what is not working?12:03
pielgrzymI'lll check it out :) thanks12:03
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.12:03
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"12:03
pieter_not the update12:03
pieter_something else12:03
Jucatosorry bout that.heheeh12:03
Jucatotrigger happy...12:03
Jucatorather, "alias" happy...12:03
orient2000did computer shut down and restarted in a regular mode?12:03
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orient2000if you did xorg-core   10 it shoul work12:04
pieter_it is not working12:05
JucatoI thought it wasn't about the upgrade...12:05
pieter_it is no the update12:05
pieter_i told you12:05
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orient2000what did you do before this problem?12:05
pielgrzymthis kompose is cool :) a bit slow but very functional :) thanks12:06
pieter_firefox, kopete and konversation12:06
orient2000any installations?12:06
pieter_yes, but i lost the name12:07
pieter_mabe i can get it12:07
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orient2000any changes in a setup?12:07
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pieter_not at all12:07
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orient2000you must come back tomorrow for a good guys  I do not know that much to help you, sorry12:08
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Jucatopieter_: I just came in a few minutes ago. what seems to be the problem?12:09
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pieter_i boot my computer, see the login screen, enter my pass, hit <enter> and....12:09
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pieter_i see : The Login Screen (again)12:10
synapticshello, how do i install unrar?12:10
pieter_i can't start x12:10
Healotapt-get install unrar-free12:10
Healot!info unrar-free12:11
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB12:11
Jucatoor unrar (previously known as unrar-nonfree)12:11
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free12:11
Healotbtw, enable the universe section of your dapper repos12:11
Jucatopieter_: that seems more than just a simple X problem...12:11
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pieter_Jucato: possible12:11
pieter_Jucato: any ideas?12:12
Jucatopieter_: fress install of Kubuntu? or have you done some changes in settings, customizations, etc?12:12
pieter_very strange12:12
Jucatobut it's not a new install?12:12
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pieter_is there a textmode brower?12:13
Jucatoweb browser?12:13
orient2000bad tracs on HD?12:13
Jucatow3c I think?12:13
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Jucatoerr.. no not that...12:14
pieter_orient2000: i don't think so12:14
macdopieter_: lynx12:14
Jucatow3m I mean. but I don't know how to use it12:14
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Jucatopieter_: before this happened, what were you doing? did you shutdown or log off properly?12:15
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pieter_i clicked : "end current session"12:15
Jucatopieter_: My only guess is that there was something in the previous session that's causing a problem when you're trying to log in...12:16
pieter_how can i check that?12:16
Jucatome going to check...12:17
waylandbillpieter_: elinks is a good one, Better than lynx if you want https support12:17
michael__x problems?12:17
Jucatomichael__: no12:17
Jucatodoes anyone know which config file to edit to make KDE start with an empty session?12:17
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pieter_i've tried xfce12:18
pieter_same problem12:18
synapticshmm which one Healot ?12:18
Jucatopieter_: you can't log into Xfce too?12:18
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource12:18
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic12:18
pieter_i can't login to kde, xfce, and all the others12:19
D4rklyhow can i play .mov's12:20
JucatoD4rkly: install the w32codecs?12:20
waylandbillJucato: ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc I think12:20
Healot!find quicktime12:20
ubotuFound: libquicktime-dev, libquicktime0, quicktime-utils, quicktime-x11utils12:20
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JucatoI have none of those installed, but I can play .mov...12:21
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:21
waylandbillJucato: scratch that ... it's ~/.kde/share/config/session12:21
Jucatowaylandbill: thanks. but it seems that it wasn't pieter_'s proble after all... for some reason, he just can't login to anything at all...12:22
pieter_only text-mode12:22
pieter_no X12:22
Jucatopieter_: you can login in text mode?12:23
waylandbillpieter_: you get the greeter and can't go past that?12:23
pieter_I am in textmode now12:23
Jucatopieter_: try typing "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"12:23
Jucatoif you get thrown out to text mode again, you will probably see some errors12:23
waylandbillprobably dumb question, but you selected a valid desktop session to use?12:24
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Jucatohe says that no matter which session (KDE, Xfce, etc), he can't12:24
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pieter_kdm restart ==> no result12:25
Jucatopieter_: does it throw you back to the command line?12:25
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pieter_no, back to the login screen12:25
pieter_after a few seconds12:25
waylandbillwhat about a fail safe session... should be able to at least get an xterm or something12:26
synapticsanyone knows wht this means? ------------>>>12:26
synapticsThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:26
synaptics  traverso: Depends: libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.100.0) but it is not going to be installed12:26
synaptics            Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.1.2) but it is not going to be installed12:26
synaptics            Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.1.2) but it is not going to be installed12:26
synapticsE: Unmet dependencies.12:26
Jucatosynaptics: use pastebin please12:26
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)12:26
pieter_if i do startx in textmode, my screen is a few seconds black, and x halts12:26
synapticsthanks, i forgot all about pastebin12:27
pieter_failsafe works12:27
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pieter__i'm in failsafe12:28
pieter__and now?12:28
synapticshttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21462 <---anyone can help me out?12:28
waylandbillhmmm... thinking..12:28
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waylandbillsomething is obviously messed up in some configuration file for the failing sessions.12:29
Mehercleyou think12:30
Meherclei'll take a look12:30
Meherclewhere can i find them?12:30
pieter__i was in konversation12:30
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pieter__where can i find them?12:30
jamadagnihello. any one here has qt designer installed?12:31
waylandbillI don't know off hand.. could be any number of em.12:31
pieter__i've installed tapioca before the problem appeared12:32
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pieter__tapioca and a lot of dependencies12:33
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pieter__where can i find the desktop files?12:34
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synapticsdesktop files --> /home/name/Desktop12:34
Martijn81synaptics: wild guess: have you enabled universe repository?12:35
pieter__the config12:35
waylandbillpieter__: what's tapioca?12:35
pieter__kde, gnome12:35
jamadagnihello any one has qt designer installed?12:35
pieter__waylandbill: a voip program12:35
jamadagniwhen you install it, do you automatically get a k menu entry or no?12:35
synapticsMartijn81: wait, let me pastebin my source.list12:36
pieter__100% auto12:36
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Martijn81synaptics: apt-cache search libqt4-gui12:36
Martijn81synaptics: for example to check if you can get the package12:36
synapticslibqt4-gui - Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library12:37
synapticsi think its installed12:37
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jamadagnino no, not the library12:37
Martijn81synaptics: it looks like a version missmatch to me12:37
jamadagnii mean the qt designer, which allows you to create qt forms12:38
pieter__waylandbill: i can run only failsafe, that's it12:38
Jucatojamadagni: that wasn't for you, I think12:38
JucatoMartijn81 was talking to synaptics...12:38
synapticsi only have this->12:38
synaptics$ apt-cache search libqt4-gui12:38
synapticslibqt4-gui - Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library12:38
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synapticsdoes that mean i have the wrong thing installed?12:38
pieter__orient2000: any ideas?12:39
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Martijn81synaptics: nope, that means the packages from the repository configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list file has the package12:39
pieter__waylandbill: i mean tapioca12:39
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synapticsso, everything is there then12:40
Martijn81synaptics: yes, but most likely an too old version12:40
synapticshow do i get a new version?12:40
waylandbillpieter__: don't know. I wouldn't think installing that would change something to mess it up that bad, but I've never installed it, so can't say12:41
pieter__i've removed it12:41
pieter__now a reboot12:42
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karelzdravim mluv tu nkdo esky :-D12:44
Martijn81synaptics: that's a problem, you can only force the install and cross your fingers, find some site that has the package or compile from source12:44
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Martijn81synaptics: let me guess, breezy?12:45
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kareltak tady asik nepokecam :-D12:46
XVampireXhow do I switch between konsole tabs with the keyboard?12:46
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synapticsMartijn81:  dapper12:47
Tm_TXVampireX: shift+arrows for example, dunno if it's default or just my settings12:47
Mehercleorient2000 and waylandbill: only failsafe....12:47
XVampireXyup, that works12:48
Tm_TXVampireX: just check from shortcut settings and you don't have to wonder ;)12:48
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synapticsMartijn81: want to see my source.list?12:49
Martijn81synaptics: no wait, my repo says it has the right version so it *should* work12:50
overlimitcan anyone explain why my xine does not play new movies...I get error decrypting keys12:50
Martijn81synaptics: have you tried what it says?-> Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages12:50
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synapticsMartijn81: its installing something after i typed that command12:52
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synapticsprobably the missing stuff12:52
Martijn81synaptics: that's a good thing12:52
grotheskCan anyone confirm that a ralink 2500 Chipset is able to encrypt in WPA?12:53
AtKaaZsynaptics: do u know stuff about synaptics ? :)12:53
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synapticsAtKaaZ:  i dont like using synaptic12:54
D4rklydoes anyone get sound on video.google.com12:54
erovi get sound, no video d4rkly :|12:55
PlHLHi, anyone who knows the command(s) to change identd in Konversation?12:55
arepiehow to install flash, real player and the other plugin for firefox on amd64 ?12:55
AtKaaZsynaptics: i have/had problems with synaptics so i had to 'echo options psmouse proto=exps >/etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe' to disable chaotic tapping :D12:55
JucatoI get both sound and video in Google Video12:56
waylandbillI get both as well12:56
D4rklyJucato what browser are you using ?12:56
Martijn81synaptics: now try and install what you tried to install earlier, if will either install it or says the package is already installed12:56
JucatoD4rkly: both Konqueror and Firefox12:57
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AtKaaZarepie: afaik flash is not (yet?) supported on 64bitz ?!12:57
Martijn81back soon....12:58
synapticsok, i'll try it out12:58
D4rklywhat plugin do you use to play videos on video.google.com12:58
JucatoD4rkly: flashplugin-nonfree12:58
D4rklyoh im also using that 112:59
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Jucatowhat browser?01:00
synapticsAtKaaZ: you still there?01:00
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AtKaaZsynaptics: yes, why?01:00
waylandbillD4rkly: I've had sound go away until a reboot before on google video. Might be a flash bug.01:01
AtKaaZsynaptics: i was contemplating about using /quit :)01:01
D4rklykk brb01:01
synapticsi want to try that echo thing01:01
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AtKaaZsynaptics: maybe needs reboot or reinsmod of sorts of psmouse :)01:02
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orient2000pieter_ problem http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3040601:06
synapticshmm i disconnected01:06
AtKaaZD4rkly: having an X problem? or just the irc client :)01:06
AtKaaZsynaptics: did u reinsert the psmouse mod?01:07
D4rklyi was trying to auto register my name when i connect to freenode in Konversation01:08
D4rklyyay got sound in google video after reboot01:08
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waylandbillD4rkly: yeah... it's gotta be a bug in flash or something.01:10
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D4rklyin Konversation under Server List -> Edit(freenode) -> Edit(default identity).  there is a auto indentify section with Service: and Password: fields. what do i put in the Service: field to register my nick with the nickserve at login ???01:12
JucatoD4rkly: "nickserv"01:12
Jucatowithout the quotes01:12
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Martijn81hmm, fast... with my router it takes half a minute minimum to get connected with freenode...01:14
D4rklycool you need NickServe<space>01:14
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JucatoD4rkly: My bad, it's NickServ I think01:15
Jucato(but no "e", and no <space>)01:15
mjanickihi all01:15
synapticsMartijn81: i think ive got it working........ how do i use unrar-free?01:15
Jucatosynaptics: you use it with Ark01:16
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D4rklysound goes after playing 1 vid off google video01:16
Martijn81synaptic: ark should work with it automaticly, but konsole and the unrar command will work just as nice. You choose01:17
D4rklyits back again :)01:18
synapticsi think its working. i used Ark and found that i can use tar, lha, zoo, rar, ar, 7zip01:18
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JucatoArk can open anything as long as the needed packages are there01:18
Jucatoheck it can even open up .deb files :-D01:18
synapticsbrb.. restart01:19
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D4rklydoes anyone want to help install the apple darwin streaming server01:19
RawSewagewhy did my Konqueror file manager fonts just get so big01:19
RawSewageI cant shrink them01:19
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JucatoRawSewage: which fonts?01:20
RawSewagethe folders are small, not tiny01:20
RawSewageI think the problem is with the folders01:20
RawSewagethey wont shrink enough01:20
JucatoRawSewage: you can also check the font settings for Konqueror (as a file manager) in Settings > Configure Konqueror01:21
RawSewageI did all that01:21
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RawSewageI adjusted it in  Appearance01:23
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Jucatodoes anyone know if OO.o will have a sort of "workspace" similar to KOffice's koshell/KOffice Workspace?01:24
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D4rklycan someon please help me install apple's darwin streaming server ?01:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about darwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:26
RawSewageI dont use any open document programs01:26
RawSewagejust KWrite01:26
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JucatoRawSewage: ehehe! I rarely do word processing, too. but when I do, I have lots open. So OO.o gets a bit messy01:27
RawSewageJucato, cant you just use pager desktops01:27
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about darwinos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:28
D4rklyit uses a .py script to install and coplains about en language files i had a look in the script and it tries to put the files in a html-en directory01:28
JucatoRawSewage: I can, but switching between desktops is harder than switching between documents if they are within one window01:28
AtKaaZRawSewage: do u have problems(bugs) with KWrite?01:28
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AtKaaZRawSewage: sorry, i was refering to kate :) and now i've just realized that thanks to synaptics :P01:33
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synapticskate has a bug01:48
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waylandbillsynaptics: what kinda bug?01:49
jamadagnihello. my system is a pentium 4 with hyperthreading01:49
madgik85hello i was thinking of tring to Kubuntu. I was just wondering, what does the DVD version have that the cd version doesnt and which on is it worth getting?01:49
jamadagni@madgik85: don't bother downloading hte dvd01:49
synapticseverytime i open something with kate (command line from konsole) . i get some error and then kate runs01:50
waylandbillmadgik85: the liveCD is all you need.01:50
jamadagnithe cd has basically the important parts but the dvd doesn't have the full kde01:50
jamadagniinstall from cd - alternate or live (live cd doens't allow you freedom in installing grub, I was told)01:50
madgik85jamadagni: ok the then ill get the cd version01:50
jamadagniand then add your needed packages from the repositories01:50
RawSewageDVD is if you have no internet01:51
jamadagniwell yeah, but as said before, dvd also does not have full kde01:51
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erovyay amarok 1.4.2 :)01:51
jamadagnisad thing. i tried to report a bug but it was rejected01:51
jprenaudhi all01:51
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waylandbilljamadagni: you can always customize the grub after install. It usually detects if it needs windoze entry.01:52
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jprenaudanybody using kubuntu on an IBM thinkpad?01:52
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jamadagniwaylandbill - but it does not allow to install grub to anywhere other than the mbr, right?01:53
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AtKaaZjprenaud: i don't; but we might try to help anyhow :P01:54
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waylandbilljamadagni: that's right. Never tried it with multiple drives either. That might classify  an alternative install too.01:54
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jamadagnidon't think multiple drives is problem01:55
jamadagniis madgik85 still here?01:55
jamadagnisee http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8033.msg32339#msg32339 for what's on the dvd and not on the cd01:55
jamadagniok now i get to get some help! ;)01:56
jamadagnii'm running a pentium 4 with hyperthreading01:56
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jamadagnibut the default installer (from alternate cd) installed linux i386 only01:56
jamadagnican i without fear install linux i686 smp?01:57
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pieter_waylandbill: still no x ....01:57
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waylandbillisnt the smp version intended for multiple cpu mobo?01:58
yaccinive changed the kdm-theme, now i cant graphicaly log in o.O01:58
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RawSewageThe core update is working now01:58
noltejamadagni: why not ? if you still let the old kernel installed, so you can switch back01:58
waylandbillpieter_: try renaming the ~/.kde directory to something else. don't remove it, just rename it.01:59
noltejamadagni: just in case01:59
pieter_it was in all my wm's01:59
pieter_i'll reinstall kubuntu01:59
jamadagniwaylandbill - suse 10.1 installed i586 smp02:00
pieter_that's faster than searching the problem02:00
jamadagniand knoppix shows two penguins02:00
waylandbillpieter_: good luck with that.02:00
pieter_thanks for your help02:00
jamadagniand repots cpu0 and cpu1 with identical specs at 3000 mhz02:00
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pieter_back in an hour02:00
jamadagni@nolte - how do i know which kernel is being booted?02:00
waylandbilljamadagni: ah. ok. you should be fine.02:01
jamadagni@nolte - how do i set the 686 smp kernel to be booted?02:01
noltejamadagni: there should be an entry in your grub menu.lst02:01
waylandbilljamadagni: both will be in grub for you to choose02:01
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jamadagniwell i didn't install ubuntu grub02:02
jamadagnibut i added an entry to suse grub02:02
jamadagnii think i just edit that entry02:02
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jamadagnito point to new kernel02:02
jamadagniwill try, after praying to the elephant god that my system does not crash02:03
jamadagnihey how do these people do these messages while going away: "Mehercle has left this server ("reinstalling kubuntu, back in an hour")."02:03
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waylandbilljamadagni: you can add an entry for it. I'd not edit a working one until you know it works.02:03
jamadagnii would like that02:03
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jamadagniwaylandbill - that's prudent02:03
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waylandbillI think the / quit command takes arguments for those IIRC02:04
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waylandbill<-- jamadagni has left this server ("i'll be right back").02:05
jamadagniyay! ;)02:06
jamadagniwhy does not /away work for me?02:06
jamadagni" [Away]  You are not marked as being away."02:07
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jprenaudAtKaaZ: thanks. i have problem with suspend to ram (using kpowersave)02:07
AtKaaZjamadagni: do you type a msg after /away ? if not it'll unmark you02:08
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AtKaaZjprenaud: i take it it won't resume after suspend ?02:09
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jprenaudAtKaaZ: well it does but i have to chvt 1 and then back to chvt7. if not, i get a garbled screen.02:10
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jamadagni@AtKaaZ - i did not type a msg after /away02:12
jamadagnido i have to?02:12
jamadagnii'm back02:12
jamadagniis that how it works?02:12
Agiosjust /away is enough02:13
JucatoAgios: I don't think so02:13
jamadagniwhat to do to undo /away? konversation still shows "(away)"02:13
Jucatoa plain /away will show this message: [Away]  You are not marked as being away.02:13
Jucatojamadagni: you need to do something like "/away [away_message] "02:13
Agioswell, it works for me :)02:13
AtKaaZAgios: in konversation just /away does unmark you if previously were away :)02:13
Jucatoother IRC clients might behave differently?02:14
Agios /away bbl    set me away and /away     set me not away02:14
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JucatoAgios: that's not "plain" /away. you put a message after /away (bbl)02:14
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[GuS] Bonjour02:14
Jucato /away [message]  = set away ON; /away = set away OFF02:15
Agioswell, I thought he was askin how to unaway :)02:15
Jucatowell, now at least he knows how to do both :-D02:15
waylandbillJucato: it's not a difference in the client I wouldn't think. The client should just send that command unaltered.02:16
jprenaudAtKaaZ: any idea about my suspend issue?02:16
Jucatowaylandbill: yeah, it was a miscommunication between Agios and me :-D02:16
jamadagniok worked! but what do you people see when i say "/away msg"?02:16
AtKaaZjprenaud: no ideas yet; doing some (re)search :P02:16
xwolf-probably nothing, jamadagni02:16
Agiosjamadagni: nothing unless they whois you02:16
xwolf-konversation still has a long way to go02:17
Agioswell, on xchat the nick is greyed in the nicklist for away users02:17
waylandbillanything else like an action msg and/or nick change would be client specific.02:17
xwolf-it lacks some key features02:17
jprenaudAtKaaZ: thanks, it used to work. have been offline for 3 weeks, updated a little while ago and now pb with suspend.02:18
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jamadagniok then, see you guys, bye! :)02:19
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AtKaaZjprenaud: do you have klaptopd in systray i guess?02:20
jprenaudAtKaaZ: no, i use kpowersave. it's in the systray though.02:21
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JucatoAgios: it seems that Konversation also grays out Away users02:22
Jucatoor puts an icon, depending on the theme used02:22
AtKaaZjprenaud: i see that kpowersave wants to remove klaptopdaemon and powernowd; so i can't test it; guess there are two ways for suspend on laptops02:23
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AgiosI guess. I ignore away status because people forget to unaway it they run autoaway scripts :)02:24
jprenaudAtKaaZ: fair enough, i did not realise you were trying on your machine. kpowersave is a lot nicer that klaptopdaemon though. only this pb for resume which not a killer bug.02:24
AtKaaZjprenaud: u know what, wait; i am gonna try that even if it removes those :P02:25
jprenaudAtKaaZ: careful...02:26
AtKaaZrisk is part of the job lolz02:26
jprenaudAtKaaZ: :-)02:26
AtKaaZbesides i do plan on removing X and getting back to only console :P02:26
AtKaaZjprenaud: so the chvt you do with ctrl+alt+F1 and ctrl+alt+F7 not with commands rite?02:27
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jprenaudAtKaaZ: right. i suspend, it goes fine. then wake up. get garbled screen. then CTRL-ALT-F1 then CTRL-ALT-F7 then all good.02:28
AtKaaZjprenaud: i take it u're upgraded to day :) what video card btw and driver for X (nvidia?)02:29
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jprenaudAtKaaZ: good point, i have not restarted X after upgrade. maybe i should?... i use free radeon driver with a M900 card (radeon mobillity)02:30
pielgrzymcould anyone give me a hint how to compile imlib2 for better performance? I want to boost kompose :)02:31
AtKaaZjprenaud: please ::)02:31
jprenaudAtKaaZ: OK02:31
AtKaaZjprenaud:  just to be on the safe side :P02:31
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craigdoes anyone know any DECENT P2P programs for kubuntu (limewire doesnt work)02:32
Kamping_Kaiserdefine 'decent' and 'doesnt work'02:32
craiglimewire doesnt startup02:33
AtKaaZcraig: there's limewire for ubtuntu? :) didn't know that02:33
ubotufrostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire02:33
ubotuamule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB02:33
AtKaaZcraig: u could start that limewire from konsole and perhaps see some errors if any ? or are they in ~/.xsession-errors02:33
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craigI dont know how to connect in amule02:38
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ym4546i'm having some kind of a startup problem on kubuntu 6.0602:39
jprenaudAtKaaZ: well now in new X and same pb.02:39
Jucatoym4546: what kind of startup problem?02:40
ym4546when i start up, it goes into GRUB, and i select the first entry there, and then it goes to the blue kubuntu startup screen where it lists the items as it starts them, after that, at the time it should display the kdm login screen, it just continues to show the blue kubuntu logo, and an empty progress bar under it02:40
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Jucatoym4546: did you recently do an update/upgrade?02:40
Jucato$1 If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"02:41
ym4546Jucato: last time i was in linux, adept updatersaid tehere was a new  me to install a new version of xorg, which i did02:41
ym4546jucato: i think thatw as the problem02:41
Jucatoym4546: read my long reply02:41
fritschJucato: no02:41
ym4546jucato: thats exactly what i needed, i'll give it a try and see if it works02:41
fritschJucato: this is fixed02:41
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.02:41
ym4546jucato: thanks02:42
fritschJucato: yes :-)02:42
Jucatoym4546: read the 2nd long reply :-D02:42
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AtKaaZjprenaud: how do u suspend to ram? i can't see any options in powersave from systray, maybe i should restart :D02:42
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synapticsJucato: is that the one when my computer starts only with the kubuntu logo?02:42
Jucatofritsch: it should be. But I'm wondering why there are still some problems. maybe some servers/mirrors haven't updated yet?02:42
synapticslol, and i had to reformat02:43
jprenaudAtKaaZ: right click then "suspend to RAM". don't you have this?02:43
fritschJucato: no, i think the adept just shows: one update available02:43
Jucatosynaptics: probably... but it still depends...02:43
fritschJucato: but, if you do sudo apt-get update, then it gets actualized ...02:43
synapticsi just reformated this morning because of that02:43
fritschsynaptics: oh no :-)02:43
synapticslol oh yes02:43
Jucatofritsch: no, yesterday, only version 10.3 was available. 10.4 was then made available after a few hours02:43
AtKaaZjprenaud: yep, i was imagining that's gonna have to be it but it just isn't there; imma have to restart so the daemon will run02:43
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Jucatobut it did not hit all servers/mirrors at the same time02:44
fritschJucato: yes, okay this look like a mirror issue02:44
AtKaaZjprenaud: brb, restart02:44
jprenaudAtKaaZ: just run sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart02:44
Jucatoif the server/mirror has been updated, it will show xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4. if not, it will still show the 10.3 version02:44
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synapticsthen i lost one drive02:44
synapticsgood thing there werent any important data ...... well........just 2. but i can redo it02:44
AtKaaZjprenaud: already did that, still nothing, and apparently it was running02:45
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AtKaaZjprenaud: and restarting kpowersave doesn't do anything different either02:46
jprenaudAtKaaZ: odd... what's your laptop? maybe it is blacklisted by powersaved but it's be surprised.02:46
fritschjprenaud: does suspend not work?02:46
synapticswhats powersaved for? is it the same as klaptop?02:46
fritschjprenaud: you have already look in /etc/default/acpi-support02:46
fritschsynaptics: yes, but it is "more" improved tool, but NOT the way kubuntu goes ...02:46
fritschsynaptics: kubuntu stars using kde-guidance-powermanager, Riddel is developing it02:47
jprenaudfritsch:  suspend to ram works but i get a garbled X at resume and have to chvt 1 and chvt 7 after resume02:47
fritschjprenaud: what laptop?02:47
fritschjprenaud: there are some things to do02:47
jprenaudthinkpad r5102:47
fritschjprenaud: okay, you do it with poersave?02:48
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jprenaudfritsch: yes, powersave and kpowersave02:48
synapticsim using Asus M2C. hmmmmmm the synaptics touchpad cant be disabled02:48
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fritschjprenaud: sudo vim the powersave config02:48
Jucatofritsch: nice technique to mention Riddel's nick without notifying and disturbing him :-D02:48
fritschjprenaud: DISABLE all VBE Stuff02:48
fritschjprenaud: and enable Switch Console02:48
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jprenaudfritsch: which config one? sleep?02:49
fritschjprenaud: yes, this one02:49
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fritschjprenaud: i got it working this way ... (but suspend2 bugged, so i uninstalled it ...)02:49
fritschjprenaud: wait02:49
fritschjprenaud: try this first02:49
fritschjprenaud: suspend02:50
fritschjprenaud: get garbled screen02:50
fritschjprenaud: press ctrl alt F1 and ctrl alt F7 to go back02:50
Jucatodoes anyone know if there's a sort of "workspace" app/utility for OO.o, similar to KOffice Workspace (koshell) ??02:50
fritschJucato: sorry, no02:50
jprenaudfritsch: and ??02:50
fritschjprenaud: this was it ;-)02:50
fritschjprenaud: try if "manually" switch terminals helps02:51
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jprenaudfritsch: it does help, that's what i'm doing. i'd like to avoid having to do it02:51
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fritschjprenaud: yes okay02:52
fritschjprenaud: just edit the sleep config02:52
fritschjprenaud: and enable here: switch console02:53
fritschjprenaud: it is very down of it02:53
fritschjprenaud: very down in the config02:53
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fritschjprenaud: SUSPEND2RAM_SWITCH_VT="yes"02:53
jprenaudfritsch: done, have restarted powersaved and will try now.02:53
_rince_is there an easy way of restoring grub after a windows installation?02:53
fritschjprenaud: good, hav fun02:53
fritsch_rince_: yes02:53
_rince_i mean more easy than booting a live.cd and chroot'ing02:54
fritsch_rince_: boot up the live cd, "chroot in" and do a grub-install02:54
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fritsch_rince_: ah okay ;-)02:54
fritsch_rince_: isn#` t there an "option" repair in the live cd?02:54
fritsch_rince_: they talked about such an option, iirc02:54
_rince_fritsch: i have no idea02:54
pr3datorwhat's the differens bitween kubuntu6.06 and kubuntu 6.06.1?02:55
jprenaudfritsch: you are an absolute star it's done it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!02:55
Jucatoall I do is "sudo grub" followed by "find /boot/grub/stage1" then "root (hd0,0)" topped by "setup (hd0)"02:55
_rince_and it must be idiot-proof since i have to do it via telefon/irc02:55
fritschjprenaud: *happ*02:55
fritschjprenaud: do you have a radeon graphics card?02:55
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jprenaudfritsch: yep, radeom m900002:55
ketsugiIs there a way for me to map the Windows key on my keyboard to open the K Menu?02:55
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jprenaudAtKaaZ: so?02:55
fritschjprenaud: then pleace be sure to load the radeonfb02:55
Jucatofritsch: no GRUB repair tool in the Desktop CD02:56
_rince_Jucato: that won't work when there is no linux to boot into02:56
Jucato_rince_: I mean from the Live CD...02:56
AtKaaZjprenaud: well, powersaved starts ok, no error or similar msgs in /var/log/debug,messages,syslog but kpowersave says it is not running02:56
fritschjprenaud: your laptop gets very warm while sleeping?02:56
jprenaudfritsch: i have this in menu.lst: defoptions=resume=/dev/hda1 acpi_sleep=s3_bios splash video=radeonfb:1400x1050-16@8502:56
_rince_Jucato: well, then 'chroot + update-grub' should be enough imo02:56
fritschjprenaud: yes, thisi sperfecetly fine02:56
Jucatoprobably. I'm not familiar with the chroot thing02:56
jprenaudfritsch: i now what you're talking about, is radeonfb in the initrd?02:56
fritschjprenaud: what says: cat /proc/fb02:56
AtKaaZJucato: what u mean there's no grub-install on the live cd ? /:)02:57
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JucatoAtKaaZ: there is no GRUB repair tool ala MEPIS02:57
fritschjprenaud: no, it is loaded first afterwards, but you can "bring" it in the initrd02:57
Jucatobut grub-install is there02:57
jprenaudfritsch: says: 0 VGA16 VGA02:57
fritschjprenaud: okay so not working02:57
AtKaaZjprenaud: oh so it's because of the framebuffer i take it; do u really need that?02:57
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fritschjprenaud: just do following02:57
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fritschAtKaaZ: thinkpads get very warm, because of a bug02:57
fritschAtKaaZ: you have to use the radeonfb driver to push the cards to D2 mode in suspend02:58
fritschAtKaaZ: http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302202:58
jprenaudAtKaaZ: yes, trying to reduce power during sleep. so need radeonfb02:58
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fritschjprenaud: just add radeonfb to /etc/modules this is okay ...02:58
fritschjprenaud: and enough02:58
AtKaaZJucato: either way, u should mount ur root partition from live cd, then chroot to that dir then run grub-install, in case ur mbr got overwritten ie. after installing some windows02:58
bpahi folk02:58
fritschjprenaud: reboot and look what dmesg says about suspending02:58
JucatoAtKaaZ:  eheh don't tell that to me :-D02:58
AtKaaZfritsch: ayt, who knows... knows :D02:59
JucatoI don't do the chroot thing anyway...02:59
AtKaaZJucato: ok, my bad :-"02:59
fritschAtKaaZ: [17179574.616000]  radeonfb: IBM ThinkPad R40 (2722) detected, enabling D2 slee02:59
fritschAtKaaZ: so "i" need it ;-)02:59
JucatoI do it the long way, like the way I posted. So I get to choose which GRUB to install where02:59
jprenaudfritsch: great, off for a reboot then :-) thanks a lot, much appreciated.03:00
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TextureGlitchHey everyone, I'm having some trouble with a newly installed Kubuntu can anyone help me? The dhclient program can't get an IP address from my router when I boot up. I checked the system log and it says 'dhclient | receive_packet failed on eth0: network down' and immediately after there's a line that says 'kernel | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, Ipa 0x41E1'. This happens TWICE with every reboot. When it's done booting my I03:03
TextureGlitchFrankly I don't care why it can't get an IP during bootup, but how do I make a startup script or something that runs after boot so that my machine will get an IP? I tried making a small bash script and use update-rc.d to put it into the bootup sequence, but apparently it's too early in the process or something. I don't know. It doesn't seem to have any effect. If I run my script at the prompt after a reboot I get an IP address,03:04
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fritschTextureGlitch: could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?03:05
AtKaaZTextureGlitch: seems that your eth0 gets linked after dhclient runs , unless im missing smth?!03:05
fritsch!pastebin > TextureGlitch03:05
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fritschjprenaud: back?03:05
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fritschjprenaud: add radeonfb to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules03:06
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fritschjprenaud: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` reconfigures your initramfs, etc.03:06
AtKaaZfritsch: how can i change the contents of an initramfs :P03:06
TextureGlitchThis is my /etc/network/interface file:03:07
TextureGlitchauto lo03:07
TextureGlitchiface lo inet loopback03:07
TextureGlitchauto eth003:07
TextureGlitchiface eth0 inet dhcp03:07
TextureGlitchauto eth103:07
TextureGlitchiface eth1 inet dhcp03:07
jprenaudfritsch: yep and victory again: [17179768.220000]  radeonfb (0000:01:00.0): switching to D2 state...03:07
TextureGlitchauto eth203:07
TextureGlitchiface eth2 inet dhcp03:07
TextureGlitchauto ath003:07
JucatoTextureGlitch: pleas stop03:07
TextureGlitchiface ath0 inet dhcp03:07
TextureGlitchauto wlan003:07
TextureGlitchiface wlan0 inet dhcp03:07
fritschTextureGlitch: dont`t paste03:07
JucatoTextureGlitch: use pastebin03:07
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:07
fritschTextureGlitch: you are kicked of pasting ....03:07
fritschTextureGlitch: i gave you the pastebin link before03:07
fritschTextureGlitch: eth0 is acutally your device which gets an IP an has one at the moment?03:08
springanone good with buildix?03:08
fritschTextureGlitch: now it` s okay *g* we saw it (everybody did)03:08
TextureGlitchyeah, eth0 is my network card03:08
jprenaudfritsch: do i need to modify the initrd now?03:08
fritschjprenaud: you have suspend2 enabled kernel?03:08
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fritschjprenaud: i told above03:08
fritschjprenaud: add radeonfb to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules03:09
[MysT] Hi people!03:09
[MysT] anyone knows how to runj nvclock-qt ?03:09
jprenaudfritsch: no, i have not suspend2 enabled kernel. but would like to.03:09
[MysT] i've installed.. and seems that command does not exist03:09
fritschjprenaud: after that mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-`uname -r`03:09
fritschjprenaud: register your nick, i tell you ...03:09
fritschjprenaud: it is very easy03:09
fritschjprenaud: what says "uname -r"?03:10
jprenaudfritsch: how do i register my nick?03:10
AtKaaZfritsch: mkinitramfs does that make an /initrd.img file ? 'cause mkinitrd doesn't seem to make it right for me03:10
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fritschjprenaud: go to the freenode window and typ: !register03:11
fritschAtKaaZ: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-`uname -r`03:11
fritschAtKaaZ: but be careful not to make your system unbootable03:11
AtKaaZfritsch: yes i'll use another filename :)03:11
jprenaudfritsch: !register does not work03:11
AtKaaZand another entry in menu.lst03:11
fritschAtKaaZ: you have to edit grub03:12
fritschjprenaud: "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY"03:12
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AtKaaZfritsch: yes, i just want to edit an existing /initrd.img (symlink) image to add a module and change something in scripts and put it back03:12
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fritschAtKaaZ: no, don`t do this03:13
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fritschAtKaaZ: correctly building > "hacking"03:13
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fritschjprenaud: got it work?03:14
AtKaaZfritsch: well, i have to :P i need to replace vga16fb autoloading with nvidiafb, and there's no sensible way to do it03:14
AtKaaZ(that i'm aware of)03:14
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fritschAtKaaZ: mmmh, try video=vga16:off03:15
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AtKaaZfritsch: but only vga16fb is present in the initrd.img file and some fb module is needed for splash and i need fbcon aka /dev/fb0 for Allegro(lib)03:16
TextureGlitchIs there anyplace I can just put a script and have it run after boot? Somewhere after the update-rc.d stuff is run.03:16
lupinerecompile the kernel?03:16
[MysT] Please... anyone knows how to run nvclock-qt ?03:16
lupine(beats unpacking initrd.img and replacing the module manually ;) )03:17
AtKaaZlupine: yes, trying that with make-kpkg :)03:17
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AtKaaZlupine: can u tell me how to repack ? :)03:17
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fritschAtKaaZ: add nvidiafb /etc/mkinitramfs/modules03:18
fritschAtKaaZ: and recreate03:18
AtKaaZlupine: it'd be faster to do the initrd.img file like that, than recompiling the kernel :puke:03:18
AtKaaZfritsch: with mkinitrd ?03:18
AgiosTextureGlitch: the rc.local script is jsut for that purpose.03:18
XVampireXWhen is amarok coming along?03:18
fritschAtKaaZ: initramfs03:18
HobbseeXVampireX: it's there, for edgy03:18
fritschAtKaaZ: mkinitramfs -o ....03:18
XVampireXWhat about dapper?03:18
JucatoHobbsee: will they be releasing an Amarok 1.4.3 for Dapper?03:19
XVampireXWhy can't the stable people get even STABLE software?03:19
lupineit's just a gzip'd loop device, I think03:19
JucatoXVampireX: Amarok 1.3.9 is stable... ^_^03:19
XVampireX1.4.2 is stable too03:20
TextureGlitchAgios: is that the one in /etc or the one in /etc/init.d ?03:20
XVampireXit's final release right now03:20
JucatoXVampireX: except for FLAC support03:20
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AgiosTextureGlitch: the one in /etc/rc.local03:20
XVampireXDapper missed 1.4.0/1.4.1/1.4.203:20
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Agiosjust execute your script at the end of it03:20
XVampireXGreat, that's so up to date I could cry! *sarcasm*03:20
Jucatobut by "stable" I mean, officially supported by Ubuntu. the more recent Amarok releases are more of "gifts" from the Kubuntu devs03:20
west-eni need help with laptopsbuttons03:20
TextureGlitchAgios: Thanks. Is that one run automatically or do I have to add it with update-rc.d or something?03:21
JucatoXVampireX: Amarok 1.4.2 is available for Dapper, but not through the main repos03:21
west-eni installed hotkeys.setup but they still don't work!03:21
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AgiosTextureGlitch: it runs automatically. Nothing else required.03:21
JucatoXVampireX: http://www.kubuntu.org03:21
HobbseeJucato: .3?   no idea.  fritsch is building dapper versions of .2, but i dont know if/how that will work03:21
west-enand i need help with the screen to, it is very dark03:21
Jucatomy mistake XVampireX..03:21
JucatoDapper has 1.4.1...03:21
XVampireXJucato: nothing about 1.4.203:22
fritschHobbsee: ah there are lib depends, which aren` t in dapper?03:22
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AtKaaZfritsch: but will that generate a initrd.img file exactly how my prev one was plus that module? or is it missing some things03:22
fritschHobbsee: i build your last packages for edgy successfully: 1.4.1-0ubuntu303:22
Hobbseefritsch: i would think so.  check what was included with the 1.4.1 repo03:22
XVampireXBy the way I'm having a little problem with "Get new *insert name of item here*" dialog03:22
Jucatofritsch, Hobbsee: is there anyway that a semi-official patch for xine would be released from you guys to fix the FLAC problem?03:22
Hobbseefritsch: well, that's 1.4.1 - they were already in dapper03:22
fritschHobbsee: mmmh nope03:22
JucatoXVampireX: it's bugged03:22
west-eni need help with laptopsbuttons03:22
HobbseeJucato: got a patch handy?03:22
west-eni installed hotkeys.setup but they still don't work!03:22
west-enand i need help with the screen to, it is very dark03:22
fritschHobbsee: Riddel released 1.4.1- ubuntu203:22
JucatoHobbsee: ehehe nope... @_@03:23
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XVampireXI can only view/download from Highest rated03:23
JucatoI'll search the forums to see who made a patch03:23
JucatoXVampireX: like I said.. bugged03:23
XVampireXwhen will that be fixed?03:23
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Hobbseefritsch: well, yeah - either for edgy, or on kubuntu.org03:23
fritschwest-en: which buttons are not working?03:23
JucatoRiddel said he's looking into the KDE 3.5.4 bugs... there are quite a lot...03:24
Jucatobut he has his hands full, so I'm not getting my hopes up03:24
XVampireXOk :P03:25
HobbseeJucato: which ones in particular?  a lot are upstream ones.03:25
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synapticsanyone knows any program that is similar to Msn Messenger?03:25
synapticsfor kubuntu03:25
synapticsany other03:26
JucatoHobbsee: I'm not really sure... I just heard some people complaining about having no FLAC, then I heard someone saying that a patch fixes it... but I haven't actually seen it in action...03:26
_nedudgiaMSN is much similar03:26
JucatoaMSN, GAIM03:26
lupinewill run, but I don't know what libs it needs03:26
synapticsthanks, i;ll get amsn03:26
HobbseeJucato: ah.  i believe i screwed that up, hoping that an upstream patch would fix it03:26
_nedudgiOr use Mercury03:26
ketsugiHow can I properly enable Chinese fonts in KDE? All Chinese words show up as dots. Japanese is fine, and both languages display fine in Gnome.03:26
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JucatoI was also expecting the same. So that I could spread the good news around :-D03:27
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_nedudgiMercury is the one the knows the most features of MSN unfortunately itz is a bit slow03:27
_nedudgijava eh03:27
lupinedoes anyone know how Konversation (0.19) manages to eat 400MB of RAM?03:27
_nedudgidid you give it something for lunch?03:28
_nedudgiMaybe it was hungry :D03:28
lupineno, left it on overnight ;)03:28
synapticsahh i c03:28
lupineall I can think of is that it's doing something esoteric with the text buffer03:29
_nedudgiAnd I woud say that installing mercury was a bit horror03:29
lupineeven so... 400MB is OTT03:29
lupine(I've only got 512!)03:29
_nedudgiWhy do you worry? You still have 112 left:DDD03:30
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lupine+ 3GB of swap, I guess...03:30
lupineit all comes back when I restart konversation, though03:30
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XVampireXlupine: sounds like a memory leak03:31
XVampireXIt's taking very little ram here03:32
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_nedudgime too for being serius03:32
_nedudgionly a few amount03:32
synapticsi'm using 2GB of swap03:33
fritschsynaptics: how much ram do you have?03:33
lupinethink I should upgrade to kde 3.5.4 ?03:33
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synaptics768MB RAM03:33
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JucatoHobbsee: It seems that upgrading xine to 1.1.2 (Ubuntu has 1.1.1) solves the FLAC problem with Amarok 1.4.1?03:35
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Hobbsee!info xine-lib edgy03:35
ubotuPackage xine-lib does not exist in edgy03:35
Hobbsee!info libxine edgy03:35
ubotuPackage libxine does not exist in edgy03:35
Jucato!info libxine-main03:35
ubotuPackage libxine-main does not exist in dapper03:35
Hobbsee!info libxine1 edgy03:35
Jucato!info libxine-main103:35
ubotulibxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2819 kB, installed size 6484 kB03:35
ubotulibxine-main1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.2 (dapper), package size 2865 kB, installed size 6632 kB03:35
Hobbsee1.1.2 is there.03:36
Jucatoin Edgy.. ^_^03:36
Hobbseetrue that03:36
Jucatojust 2 months to go anyway.hehehe!03:36
Hobbseethat long?  it feels shorter.  sigh.03:36
Jucatolong, short, it's all relative :-D03:36
Jucatowould you know what KDE version Edgy will ship with?03:37
SkrotProbably 3.5.403:37
HobbseeJucato: 3.5.4 or 3.5.5, depending on when the latter comes out, and/or how stable it is03:37
HobbseeJucato: lots of bugs to fix before that.03:38
h3sp4wnIs there still plans for the 4.0 tech preview to be included ?03:38
Hobbseemind you, i'm not sure how much of terrible interest there will be in edgy+1, so...03:38
Hobbseeh3sp4wn: you mean to say there were plans originally?  :P03:38
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Jucatothe KDE devs say that KDE 4 tech preview will be released October, but unusable except to developers/programmers/testers03:38
Hobbseetrue that.  i doubt there's enough time to do it for edgy03:39
h3sp4wnHobbsee: I remember reading some e-mail that said that was planned for edgy but however it was a long time ago03:39
JucatoHobbsee: well, I'm terribly interested because of the new USplash, System Settings, and hopefully, a better, HIG-compliant Adept03:39
Hobbseemaybe, very maybe, edgy+103:39
Hobbseeh3sp4wn: a long time ago, yes03:39
HobbseeJucato: true that.  it's here now, you know03:39
Hobbseeit just breaks.03:39
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JucatoHobbsee: which of those three I mentioned are there already?03:40
Hobbseeinterim usplash is there, system settings is partly done - its' got some nice stuff in there now.  i dont think adept has been updated03:40
Hobbseekde-guidance is quite nice, too03:40
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JucatoKool! I like kde-guidance. Although the Display module seems to need a bit more refining?03:41
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Hobbseekde-guidance as in the power stuff.   true that.03:41
Jucatoheh. I do hope Adept makes it. I'm reading the AdeptUsability page, and it looks good03:41
h3sp4wnI like splashy more than usplash03:41
Jucatoh3sp4wn: same here. But I would love to have the option to have scrolling text + good graphics03:42
Hobbseeit wont change this late03:42
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JucatoI don't think Ubuntu will give up on USplash, though03:43
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Jucatoit's one of Ubuntu's babies, iirc03:43
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h3sp4wnJucato: like expresso - there are better alternatives (I would just use what works best)03:43
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JucatoI think they renamed it to "Ubiquity"...03:44
h3sp4wnthe knoppix / kanotix installer has never failed at all for me03:44
JucatoBut now that MEPIS is Ubuntu-based, wouldn't it be good if Ubuntu kinda learned from MEPIS's installer?03:44
jprenaudfritsch: still around?03:45
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eeoshi there i am having problems with my integrated microphone, applications refise to see it :-)03:45
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jamadagnijucato - what's special about mepis' installer?03:46
Jucatojamadagni: so many things? It allows you to choose where you install GRUB for one03:46
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Jucatoit has a time-tested partitioning process?03:47
Jucatowell, Ubiquity is still young, so it has lots of chances to grow03:47
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jamadagniwhat is this time-testing partitioning process?03:48
jamadagnii mean, time-tested...03:48
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synapticshow do i change usplash?03:49
jamadagnisynaptics - just do sudo apt-get install splashy03:49
ubotuIf sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems03:49
jamadagnior did you mean, how do you change the usplash splash03:49
Jucatojamadagni: the first few days after Ubuntu/Kubuntu 6.06 was released, a lot of comments have been about some issues with the partitioner03:49
Jucatojamadagni: splashy isn't in the repositories, btw03:49
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synapticsthanks jamadagni03:49
synapticsthe partitioner is very sucky03:50
Jucatojamadagni: I said "time-tested" because the MEPIS installer has been around far longer than Ubiquity.03:50
jamadagni@synaptics - jucato is right. sorry but it isn't in the repositories03:50
abonnemaDoes anyone here know how to re-get files from an otherwise ok installation?03:51
abonnemaI accidentally deleted a conf. directory03:51
Jucatoabonnema: what do you mean?03:52
synapticsyah, i know03:52
fritschjprenaud: yes?03:52
fritschjprenaud: working?03:52
h3sp4wnabonnema: dpkg -S /path/to/file (apt-get install --reinstall whateverpackage)03:52
jamadagnijucato: but mepis is ubuntu-based means they are later, no?03:52
abonnemaI mea I deleted my /etc/mysql directory and I want to get it from the package its from03:52
gnomefreakwhen did ubuntu get mepis? i thought it was debian based still03:52
synapticsReading package lists... Done03:52
synapticsBuilding dependency tree... Done03:52
synapticsE: Couldn't find package splashy03:52
gnomefreaksynaptics: its not in repos03:52
jprenaudfritsch: not tried, need to change grub line (i guess) plus stuff in /etc/hibernate, no?03:52
Jucatojamadagni: no. MEPIS was KNOPPIX-based before it turned Ubuntu-based03:53
synapticsi did that in konsole03:53
jamadagnisynatpics: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php03:53
abonnemaOk, apt-get install --reinstall mysql-common: thanks03:53
fritschjprenaud: no, only in /boot/grub/menu.lst03:53
jprenaudfritsch: defaults in /etc/hibernate are all good?03:53
Jucatosynaptics: well, splashy isn't in the repositories. there is currently no easy way to install it...03:53
jamadagnithere's a howto in the ubuntuforums03:53
fritschjprenaud: add here: resume2=swap:/dev/hda503:53
Jucatoand changing the USplash theme is quite difficult03:53
fritschjprenaud: ths was for "grub", resume2=swap:/dev/hdaX (where X is your swap partition number)03:54
Jucatojamadagni: the repository for splash mentioned in the forums is down03:54
jamadagnichanging the splashy tyheme is quite easy03:54
fritschjprenaud: yes the defaults are okay! ...03:54
Jucatojamadagni: I said, changing the "USplash" theme as the difficult one03:54
jamadagnisplashy_config -s kubuntutheme03:54
fritschjprenaud: when you enable KDELock, you have to patch a little, becase there en "&" is missing in the scriptlet03:54
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jamadagniyes jucato, i was contrasting it with splashy03:54
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Jucatojamadagni: but it doesn't mean it will automatically work. It seems that the current Ubuntu kernel does not have the necessary options to make Splashy work03:55
fritschjprenaud: just add this, update-grub, reboot and ha a try03:55
jamadagnijucato - then how does it work on my machinje ? ;)03:55
Jucatojamadagni: you're one of the lucky ones?03:56
jamadagniha ha ha03:56
jprenaudfritsch: right, will try hibernate. no need for rebott, right? updated grub is used at resume, right?03:56
Jucatohave you seen how many unanswered calls for help are in that thread?03:56
fritschjprenaud: mmh update-grub and reboot, because of errors03:56
jamadagnii did nothing but do what is said at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216597&highlight=splashy03:57
fritschjprenaud: just to be sure03:57
jamadagnijucato - yes03:57
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jamadagnioh in that thread?03:57
jprenaudfritsch: allright, reboot and then hibernate. off i go, bye ...03:57
Jucatojamadagni: what kernel are you using btw?03:57
fritschjprenaud: you can just "klick" hibernate03:58
fritschjprenaud: but NOT!!! in kpwersave03:58
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fritschjprenaud: there is currently a bug03:58
jamadagnifritsch - is hibernate available in kubuntu 6.06.1?03:58
fritschjprenaud: suspend2 won` t work, when powersave is running, at all03:58
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fritschjamadagni: no official03:58
fritschjamadagni: just ports from Bernard Blackham03:59
Jucatojamadagni: what's the line in your menu.lst that uses Splashy? the one that starts with "kernel /boot/vmlinuz...."?03:59
fritschjamadagni: shortly afk03:59
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jamadagnijucato: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/sda11 ro vga=79203:59
jamadagnifritsch - what's afk04:00
eeosfritsch hi there04:00
JucatoAway From Keyboard?04:00
Jucatojamadagni: strange... it didn't work here even with that line....04:00
jamadagnisome monitors have problem with vga=79204:00
JucatoI'll give it another go tomorrow04:00
jamadagnior maybe it's some monitor-kernel combinations04:00
JucatoI tried vga=791, which was what I used in MEPIS04:01
Jucato(MEPIS uses splashy, btw)04:01
DaSkreechAmorous for Kubuntu04:01
DaSkreechaway From Keyboard04:01
DaSkreechI knew that04:01
JucatoDaSkreech is in da House!! ^_^04:02
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DaSkreechJucato of the Beautiful Women!!04:02
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DaSkreechhello badri04:02
Jucatothat just sounds soo wrong04:02
badrihi need some help with my video card04:02
h3sp4wnJucato: Is 1280 by 1024 vga=794 ? I can't remember04:02
fritscheeos: hi! yes just came back04:03
jamadagnioh badri, hello!04:03
fritschjamadagni: afk: away from keyboard04:03
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JucatoI can't remember also. all I know is 1024x768 is 791...04:03
jamadagniok fritsch thanks04:03
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badrihi jamadagni04:03
fritschjamadagni: http://www.ucc.asn.au/~dagobah/dapper-kernels/04:03
jamadagnijucato: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php04:03
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fritschjamadagni: you link is probably not needed for ubuntu04:04
fritschjamadagni: you don` t give vga=791 options anymore04:04
Jucatofritsch: it's needed for Splashy, though04:04
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badrii cant configure the driver for my ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY04:05
fritschjamadagni: video=driverfb:Resx:resy ... etc.04:05
jamadagniwell it's just for information04:05
fritschbadri: take radeonfb04:05
jamadagnidoes automatix answer badri's q perhaps04:05
h3sp4wnso what is the line to use nvidiafb ?04:05
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fritschh3sp4wn: video=nvidiafb:1024x768-1604:05
h3sp4wn(I know I need vga=794 or vga=795)04:05
Jucatofritsch: would that be the option to use to make Splashy work?04:05
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h3sp4wnfritsch: Will that work with a vanilla kernel ?04:06
fritschJucato: uuuh ;-) don` t know04:06
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fritschh3sp4wn: yes, if the modul is compiled in04:06
erovh3sp4wn: why does the rep's insist their version of zsnes is newer than the .deb you provided me with y'day?04:06
Jucatogotta try that out tomorrow...04:06
fritschh3sp4wn: or in the initram04:06
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fritscheeos: ?04:06
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eeosfritsch I have been testing04:07
fritscheeos: what are you testing?04:08
eeosfritsch the video options following your suggestions (sorry they called med)04:08
fritscheeos: called med?04:08
fritscheeos: you have a radeon, right?04:08
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h3sp4wnfritsch: so if I add video=nvidiafb:1280x1024-16 to defoptions= (It should work fine ? )04:08
fritschh3sp4wn: mmh normal yes04:08
eeosfristch and i discovered something interesting04:08
fritschh3sp4wn: but the ubuntu initram loads vga16 automatically04:08
fritscheeos: tell me04:09
badriafter i change my video card driver from vesa in system settings and apply .the changes dont stay04:09
eeosfritsch i cannot launch commands like glxinfo04:09
eeosfritsch from anormal user04:09
eeosfritsch even if the normal user is in the group video04:09
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h3sp4wnerov: So is it attempting to install their version whenever you dist-upgrade ?04:10
eeosfrritsch the commend works fine if I sudo it04:10
fritscheeos: okay, let` s see04:10
fritscheeos: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf into pastebin04:10
fritschh3sp4wn: sudo vim /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer04:10
fritschh3sp4wn: have a look here04:10
eeosfritsch isn't that very strange?04:11
fritscheeos: no ;-) i have an idea04:11
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fritscheeos: you cannot "RUN" glxgears atl all?04:11
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:11
fritscheeos: or this it run but without hardware accelartion?04:11
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fritschbadri: thanx *G*04:12
fritschbadri: lol04:12
fritschbadri: time to change the password04:12
badrii dunno wht is hapenin04:13
badrii am here first time04:13
fritschbadri: no problem04:13
eeosfritsch here it is http://pastebin.com/77400804:13
eeosfritsch why should i run glxgears?04:13
badrii just came here coz i read tht i could solve my video card problem here04:13
h3sp4wnerov: echo zsnes hold | dpkg --set-selections (when my versions is installed - I will try to sort out incrementing the version so it doesn't do that)04:14
badrijamadagni:could u help me out04:14
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fritsch_eeos: still there?04:15
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eeosfritsch yes04:15
springjust curious, did anyone run vm winxp to replace real xp in ubuntu here? is vm xp mature good enough?04:15
fritsch_eeos: reload you page *G* i edited04:15
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fritsch_eeos: just very bottom04:15
shane_I just did a fresh install of the lateset Kubuntu. Is Adept package manager broken?04:15
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craigdoes anyone know how to play MP3 files on kubuntu04:15
fritsch_!mp3 > craig04:15
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eeosfritsch where do i find it?04:16
fritsch_badri: hallo04:16
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springtry google craig, might be faster04:16
craigit doesnt show anything04:16
shane_craig try amarok04:16
springamoraok can play mp3?04:16
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craigermmmm no04:17
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:17
fritsch_craig: look on the links ...04:17
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trovador34hi, i have some text files with spanish characters, e.g. accents like , and when i open them with Kate, or other kde apps the accents appear as a question mark, but in Vi they appear normal, where can i set this up?04:17
eeosfritsch_ I do not understand what i am suposed to do, sorry04:17
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badrianyone know hot to make my ati m6 card work04:17
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waylandbilltrovador34: sounds like the font doesn't have that char in it.04:18
fritsch_eeos: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:18
abonnemaHI all, just a quick query. I deleted /etc/mysql, package mysql-common contains the directory and my.cnf, but I cant retrieve it. apt-get install --reinstall doesnt get it done: any ideas?04:18
fritsch_eeos: and add the lines, i edited under #IMPORTANT04:18
trovador34waylandbill: actually, after i open it with kate, i can type new characters with accents in!04:18
shane_is the x server package still fouled up?04:18
fritsch_abonnema: sudo dpkg --purge "packagename"04:19
Jucatoshane_: not anymore, AFAIK04:19
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.04:19
fritsch_shane_: no fixed, but install the .4 version (thx Jucato)04:19
eeosfritsch_ i did not get the lines you sent me under #important04:19
abonnemaFritsch, thanks, but then I will have to reinstall all dependent packages, right?04:19
Mr0bviousJucato: What's new in the new version of X?04:19
abonnemaCan I just retrieve that one directory?04:19
fritsch_abonnema: try: dpkg-reconfig "packagename"04:20
fritsch_abonnema: dpkg-reconfigure ... sorry typo04:20
JucatoMr0bvious: xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.404:20
abonnemaFritsch, Okee, will do. brb.04:20
waylandbilltrovador34: aint the font then. :-)04:20
trovador34waylandbill: ahh, but close, apparently it's the default encoding, which was set to UTF-8. Changing it to iso-8859-* worked..04:20
shane_Cool thanks guys I got the right one.04:20
waylandbilltrovador34: UTF-8... yeah.. that won't do04:21
fritsch_eeos: sorry, cannot write pm, because of 2 times logged in04:21
Mr0bviousJucato: I was wondering what was new about the new version of X. Got a link?04:21
eeosfritsch_ i got the lines now04:21
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eeosfritsch_ thanks, rebooting04:21
Jucatonope. probably just a bug fix or something like that...04:21
waylandbilltrovador34: must be it changes to unicode when you type a character but not if it defaults to 8 bit.04:22
abonnemaFritsch, sorry dpkg-reconfigure mysql-common doesnt work......04:22
trovador34waylandbill: yep, do you know where to change the default to iso?04:22
abonnemaMaybe i have to remove and reinstall ?? Seems strange though, the file I need is in there, I just need to get hold of it04:22
fritsch_abonnema: what does it say, when you dpkg-reconfigure `04:23
abonnemait says nothing04:23
fritsch_abonnema: dpkg-reconfigure --force-all "package"04:23
fritsch_abonnema: doing so installs the default onfig files and overwrites verything04:23
waylandbilltrovador34: configure, open/save, file format04:23
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trovador34waylandbill: i'm thinking changing the default for all kde..04:24
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waylandbilltrovador34: I think you can do that safely.04:25
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eeosfritsch_ rebooted, now glxgears works04:25
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fritscheeos: you see *G*04:25
fritscheeos: i get one beer, if you see me next time :-)04:25
eeosfritsch with some errors.04:25
eeosfritsch yes, you bet04:25
Jucatowith some errors = no beer04:26
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fritscheeos: paste them to me in a pastebin04:26
fritscheeos: ill have a look04:26
eeosfritsch with some error = half a beer04:26
fritscheeos: what was your grapchis card?04:26
fritscheeos: 9600?04:26
eeosX700 radeon mobility04:26
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fritscheeos: pastebin04:26
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garretI did the update on my home PC and it now will not fire up X.  The x-server update seems to have wiped out my monitor.  How do I get it back with out X, I forget how to get in and use vi.04:27
eeosfritsch http://pastebin.com/77401704:27
eeosfritsch here it is04:27
shane_hey I am at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia trying to install nvidia drivers. It seems this is a old writeup? Nothing is how it says to install it starting at the repos04:27
dhqhey all , i need a nice graphical wifi manager which i can choose adhoc,and all options in wifi04:27
JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"04:28
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.04:28
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Jucatohm.. need to change that last line...04:28
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springhi what package do i install to open rar file by clicking icon04:28
fritscheeos: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/category/open-source/04:29
fritscheeos: try this suggestion04:29
Jucato!info unrar04:29
ubotuunrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB04:29
eeosfritsch wait04:29
garretjucato - thank you very much.  It would seem that they should have had a warning with this apt-get update.04:29
jprenaudfritsch: hey, back now after a suspen2 resume cycle, all good so far, upslpash et al... thanks so much for your help!!04:29
Jucatogarret: I don't understand why you weren't able to get the fixed update though...04:29
DaSkreech!ati > badri04:29
Jucatoit should have hit all servers by now..04:29
fritschjprenaud: i take one beer from you, too04:30
Jucatofritsch: is collecting beer IOU's04:30
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eeosfritsch it does not let me do it04:31
fritscheeos: you have to do it as sudo04:31
fritschJucato: have a beear from every part of the world, would be cool04:31
eeosfritsch does that not conflict with  devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)04:32
eeosfritsch ?04:32
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eeosfritsch from here you will only get warm beer, so that is not too cool :D :D04:32
fritscheeos: i did not get this04:33
fritscheeos: your post above?04:33
h3sp4wnfritsch: video=vesafb vga=795 (that seems to be working but nvidiafb stops the binary drivers working so I cannot use that)04:33
garretI just did an apt-get on the laptop I am on and it got the 1:1.0.2-0Ubuntu version.  Before I did it I coppied off my xcong file with a plan to copy it back with the boot CD if needed.04:33
fritscheeos: you already have this in you fstab?04:33
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fritschh3sp4wn: okay, the gentoo people had a kernel patch to avoid this04:33
eeosfritsch I already have devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) in my fstab04:33
fritschh3sp4wn: vesa-tng04:33
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garretSorry my lost post was for jucato04:33
fritscheeos: is the entry "correct"04:33
eeosfritsch it did come automatically with installation04:33
fritscheeos: okay04:33
h3sp4wnfritsch: It is working with vesa though (and the binary drivers)04:34
fritscheeos: how many fsp do you get?04:34
fritschh3sp4wn: okay04:34
eeosfritsch I haven't a clue kubuntu did it it by itslf04:34
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fritscheeos: okay, keep it04:34
fritscheeos: or compare it with the one from the link? what is different?04:34
eeosfritsch so, shall i remove te entry tmpfs04:34
Jucatogarret: ok. good luck then. after you get X back up, try to check if you could upgrade to the 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 version. That's the fixed one04:34
fritscheeos: no wait04:35
eeosfritsch well, that the fstab has already an entry for tmpfs, the link does not say anything about this case04:35
jamadagnibadri sorry for going off the system - what can i help you with?04:35
fritscheeos: okay, i have to google further04:35
jamadagnibadri i will talk about half an hour later. going to dinner. the other great guys here can help you04:35
fritscheeos: you have very few X modules loaded though04:35
jamadagnibadri they know more than me04:35
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eeosfritsch sorry? which other modules should i load?04:36
fritscheeos: in xorg04:36
fritscheeos: you only have dri and glx, or?04:36
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eeosfritsch which other modules should i load? what are the relevant modules?04:36
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fritscheeos: ?04:37
fritscheeos: still there?04:37
eeosfritsch yes04:37
fritsch-> pm04:38
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octanhow do i remove a app?04:38
octanapt-get --purge remove appname?04:38
intelikey"bitmap ddc dri extmod freetype glx int10 type1 vbe"04:39
intelikey@ eeos ^04:39
Jucatoapt-get remove --purge appname04:39
Jucatoor, you can also do it in Adept04:39
octanbut why are still the configuration files ther?04:39
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octanim trying to remove postfix.. and postfix got removed.. but not the config files.04:40
Jucatooctan: you need to use the --purge switch in apt-get to remove configuration files.04:40
Jucatooctan: "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"04:40
intelikeyoctan configuration files (global) in /etc   --purge will remove (local) in ~/ remove manually.04:41
octaninc|freaky, ? what? purge only removes ones in home dir?04:41
eeosintelikey hi there!04:41
inc|freakyoctan: :p04:42
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octaninc|freaky, sorry about that :P04:42
intelikeyoctan --purge switch added to apt only removes global configs04:42
inc|freakynp ^^04:42
octanintelikey well it dosent :(04:42
intelikeyyes it does.04:42
octani see the config files is still in etc04:43
octanfor postfix04:43
intelikeythen you didn't --purge  when you removed    or you may be looking at an empty dir04:43
octanno im defently not looking at a empty dir04:44
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octani used "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"04:44
h3sp4wnaptitude will show c (with aptitude search appname~c) if it was not purged04:44
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intelikeyoctan "ls" show me04:44
Jucatooctan: try "sudo aptitude purge postfix"04:45
octanls /etc/postfix/04:45
octandynamicmaps.cf  main.cf  master.cf  postfix-files  postfix-script  post-install04:45
octanhey.. odd.04:46
octanaptitude purge postfix   worked04:46
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octannow its nothting then.. thxz guys04:47
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intelikeyoctan btw "apt-get remove --purge"   only works on isntalled packages.   not packages you already did "apt-get remove"  on04:50
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h3sp4wnaptitude purge works in a more sensible way04:51
Jucatoaptitude usually works in a more sensible way.. ^_^04:51
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Jucatooctan: a little tip: "sudo aptitdue purge --purge-unused <package_name>" will also remove+purge everything that will be removed together with the package04:51
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jprenaudfritsch: back again, had a lockup after doing suspend to ram (after a suspend2 cycle) any conflict between the two?04:52
intelikeyh3sp4wn sensible is a matter of opinion there.  why would i need to purge something that isn't installed ?04:52
fritschjprenaud: sould not be, working fine here04:52
fritschjprenaud: ah! i know!04:52
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Jucatointelikey: he's trying to purge what was supposed to have been purged by apt-get but wasn't04:52
h3sp4wnintelikey: because you thought you may want the config files so moved them somewhere else than wanted to remove them04:52
fritschjprenaud: edit /etc/hibernate/ram.conf and comment out the VBE stuff04:52
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jprenaudfritsch: ok, but why does it use ram.conf for suspend to ram?04:53
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fritschjprenaud: because the acpi-support from bernhard uses the hibernate package for doing this stuff04:53
fritschjprenaud: and pleae don` tuse powersaved with suspend204:54
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intelikeyh3sp4wn if i moved them   why use a package manager to do  rm  on them   would not   rm -R /etc/postfix    be less typing and even more sensible ?04:54
jprenaudfritsch: so i need to remove kpowersave then??04:54
intelikeybut anyway.04:54
JucatoI don't think he moved them. I think he wanted them REmoved04:54
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fritschjprenaud: yes currently powersaved and suspend2 don` t work togheter ...04:54
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fritschjprenaud: somebody from suspend2 list is investigating this issue immo04:55
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DaSkreechcan someone tell me what does /usr/bin/x-session-manager point to?04:55
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JucatoDaSkreech: /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager04:55
jprenaudfritsch: ok, it's probably why i had this lockup... unfortunate, kpowersave is nice.04:55
jordanRwhat is the command to force an update? apt-get -f update?04:56
fritschjprenaud: yes it is04:56
intelikeyJucato no in the case in point apt was not supposed to purge them because he didn't tell apt to purge them    then later tried to use apt to purge a package that wasn't installed.     rm would be the correct choice on that one imo04:56
fritschjprenaud: but comment out the VBE stuff04:56
fritschjprenaud: this sucks and crashes things for me04:56
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Jucatointelikey:  <octan> i used "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"04:56
jprenaudfritsch: what is your laptop btw?04:56
intelikeyjordanR -f != force   -f = fixmissing04:56
DaSkreechJucato: What does that point to :-P04:56
fritschjprenaud: if you screen does not come back on resume try to use acpi_sleep=s3bios04:56
fritschjprenaud: R40 2722-B3G04:56
jordanRintelikey: thanks04:57
intelikeyJucato after he already used apt-get remove postfix04:57
h3sp4wnintelikey: Keeping the package database consistant04:57
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Hobbseeryanakca: did you see the +i?04:57
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JucatoDaSkreech: /usr/bin/startkde04:57
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jprenaudfritsch: ok. i might remove suspend2 then, suspend2ram is probably enough for me. a shame can't have both.04:57
DaSkreechBloody!! *throws chairs through windows*04:57
Jucatointelikey: actually, he was asking how to purge the config files, because they weren't purged when he did apt-get remove --purge04:57
ryanakcaHobbsee: yeah...04:57
fritschjprenaud: you can have04:58
fritschjprenaud: but not with powersave at the moment04:58
intelikeyJucato no04:58
fritschjprenaud: i use both04:58
jprenaudfritsch: so i should reinstall klaptop?04:58
jordanRintelikey: That did not work... apt-get -f ! update?04:58
fritschjprenaud: edit the /etc/hibernate/ram.conf an try again04:58
fritschjprenaud: yes try04:58
DaSkreechJucato can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors for me?04:58
fritschjprenaud: i ll have a look if they have a fix for powersave ...04:58
dhqhow to create a adhoc in kubuntu04:58
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JucatoDaSkreech: hold on a sec..04:59
intelikeyJucato he was asking because they werent removed when this string was used,   apt-get remove postfix   && apt-get remove --purge postfix     <--- which wont purge the configs because the package is not installed.04:59
Jucatowhoa! it's a long one...04:59
jprenaudfritsch: to be clear, do you want me to try and remove VBE stuff and keep powersave?05:00
fritschjprenaud: no05:00
fritschjprenaud: just comment out VBEstuff in /etc/hibernate/ram.conf05:00
fritschjprenaud: and uninstall powersaved and kpwersave ...05:00
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craigany info on how to play Mp3 files??05:00
intelikeyjordanR sorry i lost you there.     !=   means not equal    i wasn't giving a command line for your answer i was explaining that -f didn't mean force it means fix missing05:01
DaSkreechcraig: read what ubotu has said to you05:01
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DaSkreech!mp3 > craig05:01
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craigI forgot05:01
uwohi all! if i have home in a separate partition and want to reinstall, how many of the settings do i keep (backgrounds, web data, etc)? do i have to do anything in particular not to get the current settings overwritten during reinstall?05:01
jordanRintelikey: ok i get it....05:01
craigIt was VERY useful until my laptop crashed05:01
DaSkreechuwo: You will most likely keep all your info05:02
Jucatointelikey: <octan> how do i remove a app? | <octan> apt-get --purge remove appname? <-- (made a mistake here, though. don't know if it was a typo) | <octan> but why are still the configuration files ther?05:02
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intelikeyand Jucato i used && in that to show that it was two seperate commands not that he used one line.05:02
BroxtorHi. I just applied the xserver-xorg-core update through adept updater and now my Kubuntu fails to boot into KDE.05:02
BroxtorIt stops at the point where the Nvidia logo appears.05:03
Tm_TBroxtor: hum, mind to read topic?05:03
BroxtorTm_T: no problem at all.05:03
JucatoI can't find where he mentions that he used two separate commands: one with just remove, and another with --purge. All I can see is that he said he used "remove --purge"05:03
uwoDaSkreech: therefore i just format the system partition and reinstall... my /home/.icons, /home/.kde, etc. will not be overwritten by default?05:03
intelikeyJucato just ask him.    he first tried without purge then later with it and wondered why it didn't work.05:03
Jucatoanyway... let's put it to rest..05:03
Tm_TBroxtor: if that doesn't help, ping me again05:03
intelikeyJucato agreed05:03
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JucatoDaSkreech: do you still need the ~/.xsession-errors?05:04
DaSkreechRemember on reinstall to point your /home to the right partition05:04
DaSkreechJucato: Yes05:04
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Jucatoit's quite long... @_@05:04
uwoDaSkreech: tnx05:04
fritschjprenaud: done? working?05:04
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JucatoIf you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"05:04
JucatoFor those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors05:04
JucatoDaSkreech: err.. hold on for more than a minute. seemed like Konqueror stalled because of the length of the file...05:05
BroxtorTm_T: sorry for asking, but how do I update from command line?05:05
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jprenaudfritsch: no, just wondering what  do. kpowersave in in ubuntu std so it'd make sense to keep it even if i loose suspend2... oh well, not sure what to do...05:05
JucatoBroxtor: are you trying to downgrade or upgrade?05:05
Tm_TBroxtor: no problemo :) "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"05:06
fritschjprenaud: it is not the standard05:06
Tm_TJucato: prolly upgrade05:06
fritschjprenaud: dapper is klaptop the standard05:06
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JucatoDaSkreech: still copying...05:06
BroxtorTm_T: Jucato: thanks for the pointers. Will give it a shot.05:06
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Tm_TBroxtor: good luck05:06
jprenaudfritsch: true but kpowersave is in official kunbuntu rep. sorry for confusion.05:07
fritschjprenaud: yes it is, the work on it immo05:07
fritschjprenaud: on the suspend2 problem ...05:07
fritschjprenaud: but suspend 2 ram should not be a problem05:07
fritschjprenaud: just edit the vbe stuff, this broke verything for mee05:07
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cozomohello, where would I get the kernel source tree that the nvidia driver installer needs?05:09
JucatoDaSkreech: sorry I had to kill Konqui.. I'll try again... but mine is too long. it might be good to ask for someone else's?05:09
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DaSkreechjucato tac it and give me the last login05:10
intelikey!ati > cozomo05:10
fritschjprenaud: got a patch from Pat05:11
fritschjprenaud: will try05:11
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DaSkreechI just need one section05:11
jprenaudfritsch: what type of patch?05:11
JucatoDaSkreech: which section?05:11
fritschjprenaud: a patch for powersave05:11
DaSkreechThe last login05:11
fritschjprenaud: i have a look, will report later05:11
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DaSkreechFrom startkde: Starting Up05:12
Jucatook... looking05:12
DaSkreechJucato: I can read it backwards so tac would work :)05:13
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JucatoDaSkreech: I'm sorry,what's tac?05:13
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intelikeycat in reverse05:13
DaSkreechJucato: Type it in the konsole :)05:13
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JucatoDaSkreech: guess what, the file is 255,932 lines long... and startkde: Starting Up is the very first line05:14
Jucatomy box has been up for 12 hours now...05:14
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intelikeycat .bash_history ;sleep 3 ;tac .bash_history      :)05:14
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Jucatocat backwards...05:15
Jucato @_@05:15
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Tm_TBroxtor: :)05:15
waylandbillJucato: mine was going on 6 months until my daughter shut it down for no reason. :-D05:15
DaSkreechMine is 350 thousand lines long :)05:15
intelikey~.xs* file not found  :)05:16
JucatoDaSkreech: better find someone whose log is shorter...05:16
Jucatomine starts to stall whenever I try to copy something...05:16
waylandbillwhich log file is that?05:16
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berkeshello. anyone in for help with a little tuning or so?05:18
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intelikeyi'd say it should turncate at 500 lines    but that's just an opinion05:18
waylandbillmine is always filled with "uninitialized input device 166" after an apt-get.. no idea how to fix it.05:18
berkesAs of a sudden my system became very slow. Funny thing is that rebooting helps.05:18
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berkesbut i'd rather find what process(es) slow it down so much. Top is not very helfull, it only tells me that my system is slow.05:19
intelikeyberkes most likely cron was running the scripts to update the databases and rotate the log files.05:19
berkesintelikey: nope.05:19
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Jucatoberkes: have you tried Ctrl+Esc (System Monitor)?05:20
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berkesJucato: i prefer 'top'05:20
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berkesbut as said: i cannot find a process that is eating CPU. there seems none.05:20
berkesI think there is some weird disc access issue.05:21
waylandbillI was going to suggest 'top' as well05:21
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berkesI played with 'lsof' already, but that does not tell me whether or not there is an app with loads of disc access either.05:21
intelikeyacpi cpu scalling ?05:21
Jucatomaybe not CPU usage, how about memory usage?05:21
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berkesintelikey: hmm. could be, though I doubt it. Esp because my fan is not running even.05:22
Tokeiitowhy i'm geting this essage: The following packages have been kept back. After apt-get upgrade?05:22
berkesJucato: yea, i ordered by mem usage, but that did not tell me a lot either. I suspect some memory leak though.05:22
intelikeyberkes fan wouldn't be running if acpi thought it should be sleeping05:22
ccc_Hobbsee: are those amarok 1.4.2 packages of yours dapper-friendly? are they public/tested?05:23
berkesintelikey: how do I see the throttle status?05:23
Hobbseeccc_: they're for edgy only so far, another guy's doing the dapper ones.05:23
Hobbseeccc_: they are public, and are tested a bit, yes05:23
ccc_Hobbsee: ok :) cheers05:23
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berkesJucato: do you know if I can search/order by the amount of swap a process uses?05:23
intelikeyberkes not sure.  /proc/cpuinfo might change...  but there should be some sort of app.05:23
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intelikeyTokeiito try dist-upgrade in place of upgrade05:24
berkesintelikey: interesting. Would it be "cpuid level     : 2" ?05:24
DaSkreechCan someone help me to reconfig startx to point at fluxbox?05:25
Tokeiitothank you05:25
berkesintelikey: klaptop (a little app in my dok) tells me the throttle is 00%. Though i distrust that klaptop app a little. It does not really work all that well.05:25
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intelikeyberkes hmmm   idk.05:26
waylandbillDaSkreech: fluxbox in the .xinitrc?05:26
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DaSkreechwaylandbill: right. Where do I put that?05:26
berkeshmm. looking at df -h I see a range of weird mounts.05:27
waylandbillin the home folder05:27
DaSkreechcan I have a ~/.xinitrc ?05:27
DaSkreechThat makes no sense to me :(05:27
berkesvarrun -> /var/run | varlock -> /var/lock05:27
intelikeyDaSkreech .dmrc  or .xsession   or .xinitrc   yes05:27
DaSkreechHow would it know which home folder to look in?05:27
berkesand some others.05:27
waylandbillDaSkreech: that's exactly right05:27
DaSkreechSo I have to login first then startx ?05:27
waylandbillDaSkreech: current user05:27
DaSkreechah ok05:27
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berkesI had a failed klik:// earlier on, and I know klik does something with mounts.05:28
waylandbillright... otherwise you'd be using a greeter and would have fluxbox as one of the sessions05:28
intelikeyberkes yeah those var*  and dev* mounts piss me off   i always fix that on my system05:28
DaSkreechxinitrc doesn't have a man what's the structure of it?05:28
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berkesintelikey: is that a kubuntu feature?05:28
cozomodoes the nvidia splash screen come up on kubuntu?05:29
waylandbillfirst line is the command to use to init the X session05:29
DaSkreechhi craig05:29
intelikeyberkes it's a *buntu feature yes05:29
DaSkreechwhich is .Xsession?05:29
berkesintelikey: and lrm ->  /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/volatile too?05:29
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craiggo here http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org    FOR EVERY SINGLE PLUGIN YOU COULD EVER WANT IN ONE PROGRAM!!!!!05:29
fdovingcraig: easy on the caps.05:30
berkesWHY DO WE WANT PLUGINS!!!05:30
waylandbillDaSkreech: no. the .xinitrc05:30
Mehercledebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process05:30
craigto play MP3's, WMA, Real Player, quicktime etc05:31
berkescraig: sorry, but why do you need plugins for that?05:31
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craigto play media files05:31
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berkescraig: just install the proper packages...05:31
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waylandbillyou mean codecs05:32
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intelikeyooops modem reset.05:32
intelikey<intelikey> berkes if you know shell scripting   those are set in the init05:32
intelikey            scripts /etc/init.d/{mountverts,mountall}   iirc05:32
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craigwhy do that when you can do it in one simple line of code!!05:32
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berkesintelikey: yea. I was looking at the init scripts. I am still a bit reluctant to go hack these without knowing why *buntu does all this weird mouning.05:33
ubotuEasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.05:33
edulixhey when are we getting amarok 1.4.2 in kubuntu? ;)05:33
intelikeyberkes yeah i stand under you.05:33
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Goop2how do I make Firefox my default browser?05:34
berkesright, but if its a *buntu feature, then I doubt that is causing my systme slowness :)05:34
intelikeyprefered applications ?05:34
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fdovingcraig: we do not encourage people to use easyubuntu. please take your advertising campain to #easyubuntu . thanks :)05:34
fritschjprenaud: still there?05:34
jprenaudfritsch: oh yes05:34
berkesis there some app/command/tool to look at disc IO ?05:34
fritschjprenaud: tried it, got it go only ONCE of 405:34
fdovingedulix: it's beeing packaged. edgy will have it shortly. dapper a bit later.05:34
craigi am sooo sorry I didnt know05:34
Goop2uh.. where would I find that? :\05:34
fritschjprenaud: won`t use the dapper powersave version any longer ... sucks (at least for me)05:35
waylandbillGoop2, system settings, kde components05:35
fritschjprenaud: suspend2ram works reliable, but suspend2 - no go05:35
Goop2k kewl05:35
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intelikeyberkes we hope not!    but judging from the official update of xserver-xorg-core  that broke everybodies X one never knows....05:35
jprenaudfritsch: so what is the score?05:35
fritschjprenaud: i use klaptopdaemon again, this uses "normal" acpi scripts05:35
fritschjprenaud: klaptopdaemon 200/200 kpowersave 1/405:35
fritschjprenaud: clear :-)05:36
Goop2intelikey: wow do you ever sleep?05:36
jprenaudfritsch: certainly. can you configure klaptop to uses suspend or does the patched acpi do that?05:36
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fritschjprenaud: klaptop just uses the acpi scripts05:36
jprenaudfritsch: i mean suspend2 for suspend2disk05:36
fritschjprenaud: the ubuntu installed ones (/etc/acpi/sleep.sh | /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh)05:37
intelikeyGoop2 i sleep a lot.   you never know when i'll be asleep.   i might be asleep right now, how would you know the differance ?05:37
fritschjprenaud: klaptop uses suspend2 out of the box, just klick hibernate05:37
fritschjprenaud: -> afk05:37
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intelikeyGoop2 i might ask how you would know if i was here unless you were here    :)05:38
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craigI have managed to set up Dreamweaver using wine05:38
waylandbillintelikey: slower and/or non-intelligible answers would be the dead give away. ;-)05:38
Goop2intelikey: I been asleep the last 8 hours though :P05:39
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sitarahelp please! my system did not start properly this morning. it just opens the console and asks me to log on there05:39
intelikeywaylandbill in my case i'm not sure people would notice.05:39
DaSkreechwaylandbill: so I can just do my #!/bin/sh thing then have the line fluxbox afterwards05:39
waylandbillDaSkreech: yeah. that should work.05:39
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waylandbillsitara: did it run the x server ever before?05:40
fdovingsitara: login and run the following two commands: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u upgrade'05:40
sitarawaylandbill: yes, it's been working perfectly. I don't know what happened.05:41
Goop2intelikey: there ARE logs btw05:41
Goop2intelikey: not that I use them :P05:41
sitarafdoving: ok I'll try it05:41
fdovingsitara: that would update your system with the fixed xserver packages. the problem is a bad security update that broke your graphical environment.05:41
intelikeysitara login there and run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        then when that finishes run  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      and startx     if that's too much for you ask someone else.05:41
intelikeysitara fdoving may be right about the reconfigure not being needed.   try to startx without it first.05:42
DaSkreechwaylandbill: Didn't work05:42
DaSkreechWant my xsession-errors log?05:43
fdovingsitara, intelikey: startx is not needed, use 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' instead.05:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about intelikey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:43
fdovingDaSkreech: what is the problem?05:43
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Rimpedoese cedega work on 64bit kubuntu05:43
intelikeyfdoving running kdm is not needed  you can just startx05:43
DaSkreechfdoving: The immeadeate problem orthe over all one?05:44
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DaSkreechPlease ignore terrible typing errors05:44
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Kubuntu Support Channel | 3.5.4 available for dapper | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ | Large pastes go here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Your X broken, the fix is to update again. (make sure dapper-updates repo. is enabled)
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(fritsch/#kubuntu) fdoving: lol *G* hehe05:47
(intelikey/#kubuntu) this is not "M$ reboot 101" this is linux; at least at it's core it still is.05:47
(waylandbill/#kubuntu) DaSkreech: put #!/bin/sh and "exec startfluxbox" on second line05:47
(jprenaud/#kubuntu) fritsch: trying hibernate from klaptop just now...05:47
(DaSkreech/#kubuntu) waylandbill: I did05:47
(fdoving/#kubuntu) sitara: it's not something you've done wrong. It was a terrible mistake by the ones publishing the security update without making sure it worked for everyone.05:47
(fritsch/#kubuntu) jprenaud: good luck05:47
(fdoving/#kubuntu) DaSkreech: shoot :)05:48
DaSkreechfdoving: Ok My X crashes without any errors05:48
DaSkreechfdoving: Whatever fix you can throw at me I've probably tried it05:48
DaSkreechfdoving: I'm pretty muching thinking that klauncher is screwed adn is killing my X session05:48
DaSkreechmuching :)05:48
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fdovingfritsch: i like your eagerness :)05:48
DaSkreechhi timonator05:49
sitarafdoving: yes, thanks. it had me worried for a while. thank goodness i had another box and at least know enuogh to use irc!05:49
intelikeymuching eeh05:49
timonatorim hanging on the phone with my aunt05:49
waylandbillDaSkreech: can you just put "xterm" in your xinitrc?05:49
fritschfdoving: what is eagerness?05:49
timonatorit seems like their X server isnt starting05:49
DaSkreechI'll try05:49
cannonballh3sp4wn: Is sysv-rc-conf a shell script?  It's not in his path.05:49
timonatorthey only get the shell05:49
fritschfdoving: i have a look05:49
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fdovingDaSkreech: how does it die? when does it die? what does the logs say? did you strace the process with -o and check the logs?05:49
h3sp4wncannonball: You need to install it (its a perl script)05:49
DaSkreechfdoving: Everythign but strace :)05:49
timonatorhow do i manually start the x server on kubuntu?05:50
DaSkreechfdoving: The only log that has errors is the ~/.xsession-errors log05:50
h3sp4wncannonball: installed to /usr/sbin - so may not be in the path of a user (only root)05:50
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DaSkreechtimonator: startx05:50
fdovingfritsch: no clue, a word i guessed existed. 'the state of beeing eager' - sharp, keen, and so on. :)05:50
cannonballh3sp4wn: yeah, he's root.  Thanks.05:50
waylandbilltimonator: startx (or start the kdm greeter)05:50
fritschfdoving: hehe05:50
intelikeytimonator fix the bug first.05:50
fdovingDaSkreech: what errors does it have?05:50
DaSkreechfdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2143005:50
timonatorin the phone05:51
fdovingDaSkreech: looking..05:51
DaSkreechDrat :) I was trying to beat you to the question :)05:51
intelikeytimonator fix the bug  by updating the xserver-xorg-core05:51
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Goop2this is weird..05:51
Goop2'mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/libming/fonts': No such file or directory'05:51
timonatorintelikey: ok. how? :(05:51
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fritschfdoving: okay looked it up, thx05:51
intelikeysitara login there and run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade05:51
intelikeytimonator  ^05:51
fdovingDaSkreech: line 346: 10736 Bus error ..05:52
DaSkreechwaylandbill: xterm works05:52
DaSkreechfdoving: Si05:52
DaSkreechWhats that about?05:52
fdovingDaSkreech: don't know, have to lookup line 346.. hang on.05:52
DaSkreechfdoving: that's the startkde script if I'm not mistaken05:53
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waylandbillDaSkreech: means the xserver seems to run ok05:53
jprenaudfritsch: does not work. i get the suspend2 usplash process bar but the machine is left locked, that's all...05:53
DaSkreechwaylandbill: Yeah as I said it has no errors so it's something that it is calling05:53
diana_someone 's got time and fun to help out a dodo installing a nvidia legacy driver?05:53
fdovingDaSkreech: yes.05:53
fritschjprenaud: you have uninstalled powersave completely?05:54
fritschjprenaud: that` s very odd though05:54
fritschjprenaud: just try running: sudo hibernate05:54
DaSkreechfdoving, waylandbill: If it helps I just ran fluxbox in the xterm and it threw a bus error05:54
fdovingDaSkreech: do you have a clean /tmp ?05:54
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intelikeydiana_ i can point you at the wiki05:54
jprenaudfritsch: i left powersavelibs, powersaved is not running05:54
waylandbillDaSkreech: ouch05:54
fdovingDaSkreech: so fluxbox doesn't work either?05:54
intelikey!ati > diana_05:54
tackathi, please vote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=082120061761305:54
DaSkreechNo the maid comes on thursdays05:54
Goop2Im having trouble running a very simple installation :\05:55
DaSkreechfdoving: *shrugs*05:55
fritschjprenaud: uninstall please05:55
DaSkreechI just installed it cause it's small. I've never had it work before but preliminary reports seem to indicate that yes it is also screwed05:55
fritschjprenaud: und just try sudo hibernate<