[12:09] <Electrolyte> Wave files have a pop at the end of the file, and sound events when played will increase in volume randomly.
[12:09] <Electrolyte> Volume problem doesn't come up in amaroK and XMMS - wave popping comes up in amaroK but not XMMS.
[12:10] <Electrolyte> Only XMMS seems to be running correctly.
[12:10] <kubuntu_tester_> fdoving: can I change the repositories now or do I need to leave the uk link?
[12:10] <fdoving> kubuntu_tester_: please change back.
[12:11] <fdoving> now i'm off to bed for real (the 3rd. time)
[12:11] <jott> Electrolyte: you might check http://alsa.opensrc.org/ for your soundcard for common problems..
[12:12] <kubuntu_tester_> ok
[12:12] <kubuntu_tester_> bye
[12:12] <Electrolyte> Already taken a look.
[12:12] <Electrolyte> Can't see anything for the problems I have.
[12:12] <Electrolyte> I used to get this problem on OSS in Red Hat 9, which is why I asked how to force ALSA for the system.
[12:12] <Electrolyte> Updating to KDE 3.5.2 in SUSE10 stops the problems.
[12:13] <nikkun> electrolyte: try running the aoss comamnd before the name as he stated earlier
[12:13] <Electrolyte> Command for what though? I'm not trying to run anything.
[12:13] <jott> Electrolyte: as i stated .. applications that use oss can be redirected to alsa using aoss .. but your problems seems to lie elswehere..
[12:14] <word> thanks for the quick help guys got kinda nervous with x not starting up ><
[12:14] <nikkun> that x thing is bad >.< im just happy i didnt restart my comp today
[12:14] <Electrolyte> It's not problems with OSS that I'm having problems with -_-
[12:14] <Electrolyte> None of my programs use OSS.
[12:15] <Electrolyte> It's the event audio system.
[12:15] <jott> Electrolyte: you played around with buffer settings?
[12:15] <Electrolyte> Yes, they're at 8MS and even with hardware buffer enabled.
[12:16] <jott> 8ms? i got 232ms here (which seems to be the default)
[12:16] <Electrolyte> I've got a more than fast enough PC & sound card for 8MS.
[12:17] <Electrolyte> I've tried Threaded Open Sound System, which I need 23MS for or it sounds bad and I still get the same problem.
[12:17] <BAsche> Anybody into kdm?
[12:17] <BAsche> I desperately need help
[12:17] <reddwolf> is there a way to get the dvb part of the kaffeine player working
[12:17] <jott> Electrolyte: but.. if you increase the value to like 232ms it works? ;)
[12:18] <Electrolyte> That isn't the problem I'm having!"
[12:18] <Electrolyte> Buffer isn't the problem.
[12:18] <Electrolyte> It's volume increasing on event sounds for no apparent reason and wave files popping at the very end.
[12:18] <Electrolyte> Threaded open sound system does the same thing, so does OSS.
[12:18] <nikkun> reddwolf: did you follow the part in the documentation to enable DVDs?
[12:18] <Electrolyte> XMMS via ALSA doesn't.
[12:19] <pascal> I write "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but then I have to answer a lot of questions. Is there no way to autodetect all this?
[12:19] <Electrolyte> amaroK only has one of the problems, the wave files.
[12:19] <reddwolf> i can run dvd np
[12:19] <reddwolf> but what a about the dvb
[12:19] <reddwolf> or is that part of the dvd
[12:20] <nikkun> reddwolf: oh im sorry i thought you said dvd >.,
[12:20] <reddwolf> its ok
[12:20] <pascal> dvb is as far as I know digital TV righ?
[12:21] <jott> Electrolyte: and aplay cracks too?
[12:21] <reddwolf> i have have digital cabel would that work on it
[12:21] <Electrolyte> aplay?
[12:21] <reddwolf> *cable
[12:21] <pascal> reddwolf... I suppose if you have some sort of hardware reciever
[12:22] <BAsche> pascal: dvb: digital video broadcasting. two common ways: terrestrial (dvb-t) via satellite (dvb-s)
[12:22] <reddwolf> i have a digital box the cable company gave me
[12:22] <jott> Electrolyte: simple cmdline util to play wave files via alsa
[12:23] <pascal> reddwolf yeah. but I doubt it plugs into your computer... They don't like people recording their stuff ;-)
[12:23] <nikkun> jott: it sounds like its fine in XMMS and he is trying to find a way to use other GUI audio players
[12:23] <reddwolf> that sucks
[12:23] <pascal> hehe
[12:23] <BAsche> just trying it again: i need help with kdm.
[12:23] <Electrolyte> nikkun - mostly to fix the sound event problem.
[12:23] <Electrolyte> It's annoying when a file gets played at a high volume.
[12:24] <Electrolyte> jott - aplay is fine.
[12:24] <Electrolyte> Wave files play absolutely fine.
[12:24] <jott> Electrolyte: hm ok..
[12:24] <Electrolyte> No volume errors either.
[12:24] <jott> so i assume you use xine as Amarok engine?
[12:25] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[12:25] <Electrolyte> I just set the sound system to use aplay for events.
[12:25] <Electrolyte> Now it's fine :|
[12:25] <jott> ;)
[12:25] <Electrolyte> Except for ogg files.
[12:25] <Electrolyte> It doesn't support them :(
[12:26] <Electrolyte> Otherwise wave files don't pop and don't contain the volume error.
[12:26] <bernardo> hi!! how are you?? pls help me!! i dont know how to run Counter Strike 1.6
[12:26] <Electrolyte> So I'm pretty stuck.
[12:26] <bernardo> hi!! how are you?? pls help me!! i dont know how to run Counter Strike 1.6
[12:26] <[GuS] > bernardo, with cedega :P
[12:27] <[GuS] > one time is enought bernardo ...
[12:27] <jott> Electrolyte: yes sounds really strange... mhmh
[12:27] <bernardo> i did that with wine... but i dont know how to enter to the game
[12:27] <nikkun> bernardo: you can ask in wines channel #wine ?
[12:30] <DaSkreech> !info libkrb5-dev
[12:30] <ubotu> libkrb5-dev: Headers and development libraries for MIT Kerberos. In component main, is extra. Version 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 631 kB, installed size 2284 kB
[12:30] <BAsche> does anybody know where to configure kdm's resolution?
[12:31] <DaSkreech> !info libkadm55
[12:31] <ubotu> libkadm55: MIT Kerberos administration runtime libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 161 kB, installed size 416 kB
[12:31] <Electrolyte> Well jott, I'll have to continue just using wave files for system events :/
[12:31] <nikkun> BAsche: isnt it the same as your defualt resolution inside?
[12:31] <Electrolyte> Unless there is some other small program that can be used.
[12:31] <Electrolyte> Any clues on that?
[12:31] <BAsche> nikkun: unfortunately not and i don't know where to look
[12:32] <apallo19> does that package make kerberos work on dapper?
[12:32] <BAsche> nikkun: the phyisical resolution is the same, but not the virtual
[12:32] <nikkun> BAsche: System Settings>Display
[12:32] <Electrolyte> Does anyone know of a small player like aplay that supports Ogg and wave files and can be used from command line?
[12:33] <Electrolyte> I can't use the KDE sound system due to a couple of bugs :/
[12:33] <BAsche> nikkun: I edited my xorg.conf manually
[12:34] <nikkun> BAsche: that should show you the options you have from the file
[12:34] <BAsche> nikkun: I had a weird configuration with a big virtual screensize. after disabling that kdm kept the settings
[12:35] <jott> Electrolyte: alsaplayer-text pops in my mind
[12:35] <Electrolyte> Hmm ok.
[12:35] <jott> Electrolyte: ( alsaplayer --interface text filename )
[12:35] <Electrolyte> ty
[12:35] <BAsche> nikkun: nothing solving that problem there :-(
[12:36] <nikkun> BAsche: hmm well i dont know enough about KDM sorry
[12:36] <Electrolyte> jott: alsaplayer command not found :(
[12:36] <BAsche> nikkun: thank you very much anyway
[12:36] <jott> Electrolyte: aptitude install alsaplayer-text ;)
[12:36] <Electrolyte> lol
[12:37] <tackat> please vote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9835380873.html
[12:37] <tackat> :)
[12:37] <tackat> And tell them they should include Kubuntu as a separate item next time ;)
[12:39] <Electrolyte> jott - that works well, but it only plays one at a time :(
[12:39] <jott> :(
[12:39] <Electrolyte> Is there an option to get it to play multiple times?
[12:39] <Electrolyte> Otherwise the bugs are gone.
[12:40] <jott> hmm --session-name with some random argument? don't know never used it for that ;)
[12:41] <Electrolyte> I wonder if there is any other player.
[12:41] <Electrolyte> Because this one is working fine.
[12:41] <jott> probably..
[12:41] <Electrolyte> No wave problem and the volume bug is gone.
[12:41] <Electrolyte> Just that only one sound can be played at a time.
[12:41] <misieq> why would a partition on my disk appear as "unusable" during graphic installation of 6.06?
[12:42] <nikkun> misieq: do you have windows on a partition?
[12:43] <misieq> i do have windows but not on thtat partition, neither   that disk
[12:43] <bigmarCus_> what is the proper way to mount a NTFS share on a ubuntumachine if the share is sbm://192.168.1.102/mp3
[12:43] <nikkun> misieq hmm that is odd...
[12:43] <misieq> and i can't make a change with partiton magic too
[12:44] <nikkun> could the drive be dying?
[12:44] <jott> Electrolyte: maybe you could ask in #kde and #amarok or #xine as it seems to be a kde/xine issue...
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> bigmarCus_: smbmount ??
[12:44] <Electrolyte> Hmm ok.
[12:45] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: maybe sudo smbmount //192.168.99.1.102/mp3 /mnt/somedir
[12:45] <misieq> nikkun: it just hit me... it could be i was trying to create 5th primary partition... could this be the solution?
[12:45] <bigmarCus_> atkaaz: it doesnt work
[12:45] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: could use 'mouse' instead of 'smbmount'
[12:45] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: 'mount' sorry
[12:45] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: what does it say?
[12:45] <nikkun> misieq: you cant make  a 5th primary you have to use a extened and make a logical to get a 5th mount
[12:46] <misieq> yeah, that's what i'm talking about
[12:46] <nikkun> 5th partion*
[12:46] <nikkun> misieq: yah that would be why probably
[12:46] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/145325
[12:46] <AtKaaZ> nikkun: could it be that they are in another order? ie. the 5th partition is actually in the 3rd location(thus on MBR)
[12:46] <misieq> just didn't see that at first :) so i think the problem's solved (hence i can't check it right now)
[12:47] <misieq> anyway, thanks ;)
[12:47] <nikkun> AtKaaZ: im pritty sure spost 1-4 are primary and 5+ are logical
[12:48] <kaz3> hey, i'm trying to access 'add/remove programs' but it comes back with 'Su returned with an error'. Anybody know what the problem is?
[12:49] <AtKaaZ> nikkun: ayt but i seem to remember using cfdisk and fdisk and ended up with some 7th or 8th partition ie. hda7,hda8 being one of the 2nd and 3rd in MBR
[12:50] <nikkun> AtKaaZ: wait how do you mean they are 2nd and 3rd on the MBR?
[12:50] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' on one term then try mount again; look at that term and paste what u see (relevant to this)
[12:50] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: ok
[12:51] <linuxkid2> anyone know how to remote login to the Kubuntu box from windows box on LAN? I tried XDMCP with Xming and it isn't working.
[12:52] <AtKaaZ> nikkun: well, like MBR can hold 4 partitions, usually hda1,2,3,4 but if u delete ie. hda2 and 3, (in some context, not just this) and create some more u'll get hda5 and hda6 put in their place, like hda1,5,6,4 on MBR (seem to remember this,but can't reproduce it now)
[12:52] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/145336
[12:52] <nikkun> AtKaaZ: that is odd lol
[12:53] <AtKaaZ> nikkun: i guess cfdisk does that, puts them in some odd order, and wind0ws used to fsck up my partitions when used to modify them
[12:54] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: k, nothing relevant there; let's try with 2 terms each with 'tail -f /var/log/debug' and 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' _then_ try to mount that again
[12:54] <linuxkid2> anyone know how to remote login to the Kubuntu box from windows box on LAN? I tried XDMCP with Xming and it isn't working.
[12:54] <bigmarCus_> ok
[12:54] <Kyral_Laptop> linuxkid2: just use VNC
[12:55] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaZ: marc@ubuntu:~$ sudo  mount -t ntfs -o username=administrator,password=marCus2525 192.168.1.102/mp3 /mnt/mp3/
[12:55] <bigmarCus_> mount: special device 192.168.1.102/mp3 does not exist
[12:55] <Kyral_Laptop> bigmarCus_: wtf?
[12:56] <linuxkid2> How does VNC work? Are there free Windows clients?
[12:56] <Kyral_Laptop> !vnc
[12:56] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[12:56] <bigmarCus_> Kyral?
[12:56] <Kyral_Laptop> bigmarCus_: what are you trying to do?
[12:56] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: btw, do a 'sudo modprobe smbfs'  and a 'grep smbfs /proc/filesystems' and see if u get a line like 'nodev smbfs' then try again to mount?!
[12:56] <bigmarCus_> ok
[12:57] <AtKaaZ> Kyral_Laptop: to mount a smb share :)
[12:57] <bigmarCus_> same thing
[12:58] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: did u forget the two / in front of 192.168 ? or they were stripped when u pasted?
[12:58] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: nope
[12:58] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: I can browse to the share via firefox
[12:59] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: so, lemme get this str8 that share is what? NTFS? you actually shared it with Properties->Sharing on the dir right?
[01:00] <fyyrest0rm> can anyone help me out with a wine installation problem?
[01:00] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: Yes I named the share on my ntfs partion on my windows server "mp3"
[01:00] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: i wasn't aware firefox can browse those shares, but konqueror does
[01:01] <bigmarCus_> I can mount the share with Places->Connect to Server
[01:01] <bigmarCus_> But I can't access the mp3's with Amarok
[01:01] <bigmarCus_> So I have to create a Mount point for the mp3 directory
[01:02] <linuxkid2> Is VNC fast over Fast Ethernet?
[01:02] <bigmarCus_> if the ethernet is fasty yes
[01:03] <linuxkid2> It's 100. Is there some way to test the speed?
[01:03] <bigmarCus_> www.speakeasy.net/speedtest
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> that is not going to test the ethernet speed though
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> use netperf or something
[01:03] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: use smbfs instead of ntfs in that command
[01:03] <bigmarCus_> ok
[01:04] <bigmarCus_> I get that same mount error
[01:05] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: can u paste the command and the error in the paste bin please (i need to make sure)
[01:06] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaz: http://pastebin.ca/145350
[01:08] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: do this and tell me if u see a 0 or a 1: grep smbfs /proc/filesystems ;echo $?
[01:09] <bigmarCus_> ok
[01:09] <bigmarCus_> AtKaaZ: http://pastebin.ca/145352
[01:11] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: btw, u missed the '?' :) doesn't matter now; seems ok, i don't get it, could it be the codepage ? what language u have set in windows i wonder, english?
[01:11] <bigmarCus_> haha ya english
[01:11] <bigmarCus_> its a Domain Controller
[01:11] <bigmarCus_> Dont know if that would matter.
[01:12] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: ok, try sharing a different folder, no spaces in name, and put no password :)
[01:12] <AtKaaZ> then try and mount it
[01:12] <caraquer> Hello everybody!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:12] <bigmarCus_> ok
[01:13] <AtKaaZ> hello caraquer
[01:14] <caraquer> Somebody have a tutorial for the instalation of apenoffice in a amd64??
[01:14] <caraquer> or a good link??
[01:15] <AtKaaZ> caraquer:  installing in (k)ubuntu ?
[01:15] <caraquer> yes in Kubuntu 6.06
[01:15] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: ok I have it now :)
[01:16] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: install packages: smbfs , samba-common  (maybe just the first is enough)
[01:17] <AtKaaZ> caraquer: why not use adept to install openoffice.org package ?
[01:18] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: well smbfs depends on samba-common :) so just install the first it'll autoselect the other
[01:18] <AtKaaZ> !smbfs
[01:18] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 369 kB, installed size 888 kB
[01:18] <AtKaaZ> :-"
[01:19] <AtKaaZ> caraquer: or u could try sudo apt-get install openoffice.org ?
[01:20] <caraquer> mmm, well its some slow install 120 mb from internet, moreover i need install that in varios pcs,
[01:21] <AtKaaZ> well, if u have kubuntu on all, u could copy the packages from /var/apt/cache/archives/
[01:21] <caraquer> THANKS;;;
[01:21] <AtKaaZ> mp:)
[01:22] <AtKaaZ> (anyways, if the packages are already there it won't (re)download them)
[01:23] <AtKaaZ> bigmarCus_: any luck ?
[01:23] <_mort> dug
[01:24] <MrGideon> II'm having a weird problem with my sound.
[01:25] <AtKaaZ> yes...
[01:25] <caraquer> thats rigth in that folder are various packages,,,
[01:26] <MrGideon> like where xine (and anything thatuses it) will play sound from practically everything except dvd's
[01:27] <caraquer> tue unique thing, the folder really is /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:27] <caraquer> THANKS
[01:27] <AtKaaZ> caraquer: yes, my bad :)
[01:29] <intelikey> ha what a joke.  checkinstall seems worthless to me.
[01:29] <intelikey> 3 hours of compiling then it ends with this.
[01:29] <intelikey> *** The "dpkg" program is not in your PATH!
[01:29] <intelikey> *** Debian package creation aborted
[01:29] <intelikey> Erasing temporary files...OK
[01:30] <crimsun> that seems a bit odd. It's probably looking for something in dpkg-dev or devscripts.
[01:30] <crimsun> I highly doubt you don't have at least dpkg.
[01:31] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: 'type dpkg' what do u see ? :)
[01:31] <intelikey> crimsun this system is very near default   build-essential added  and gcc-3.3      dpkg is very definitly in the path.
[01:32] <AtKaaZ> maybe the PATH was overriden somehow, temporarly
[01:32] <intelikey> AtKaaZ must be.
[01:33] <intelikey> i tried it with another kernel source.   2.4 and 2.6  same error both times
[01:34] <AtKaaZ> don't think it's the kernel tho
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> uaing checkinstall for a kernel module (I tried that once after it didn't work I never used checkinstall again - installwatch is as good for keeping track of manually built packages)
[01:35] <looktj> !logs
[01:35] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[01:36] <AtKaaZ> neat
[01:37] <looktj> im looking  through logs
[01:39] <jamadagni> hello, can you please see the forum page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240789 and reply?
[01:39] <jamadagni> it's about signing the ubuntu code of conduct
[01:40] <kenny_> what seem to be the prob?
[01:40] <kenny_> wow...I didnt know about the spacing thing...
[01:41] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: seems the error is at line 1707 in /usr/bin/checkinstall  ; apparently if you use checkinstall with -D 3 switch it will increase DEBUG and thus won't erase the temporary files; not sure if this will help
[01:41] <ranunculoid> !java
[01:41] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[01:43] <jamadagni> @kenny_ so how do you think the spacing helps
[01:43] <intelikey> AtKaaZ i don't think it's worth it to me just to have a .deb of the new kernel   but thanks for the input, i'll just use standard make make blah make blah-blah-blah
[01:43] <AtKaaZ> k
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: why not just build with make-kpkg if you are building a kernel (generates debs automatically)
[01:44] <intelikey> again thanks for looking into it and confirming that it's not just my system.
[01:44] <fyyrest0rm> anyone have any ideas why i keep getting "x11 driver is missing. check your build" when trying to install wine and doing winecfg?
[01:44] <kenny_> jamadagni...well i'm not sure..I'm just as in the dark as you are...
[01:45] <azmodean> jamadagini: I assume the code of conduct is incorporated into a signature of some kind and sent somewhere in an encrypted form.  Adding spaces at random to it protects the resulting message from a code-breaking technique called a "known-text" attack, which makes it easier to break a message's encryption if all or part of the mesage text is known in advance
[01:45] <jamadagni> asked at the forums, no reply
[01:45] <jamadagni> ok so that's it
[01:45] <jamadagni> fine i'm signing it then
[01:46] <kenny_> ahh ha....neat
[01:46] <azmodean> maintained a branch of openssl for a company for a few months :P
[01:47] <kenny_> I dont use the forums much....I can ussully figure out most of my problums by myself....I'm pretty happy wiht my build right now..
[01:49] <kenny_> g2g...bye
[01:49] <azmodean> I'll go ahead and post that on the forum too in case someone else is wondering...
[01:50] <jamadagni> okay guys so how about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240763
[01:50] <jamadagni> it's about the k menu items
[01:50] <jamadagni> you guys sure rock!
[01:53] <azmodean> no idea about that one, my general computing theory is far in excess of my linux knowledge, did my first install 3 weeks ago actually
[01:53] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: well apparently you could add your own links (besides the official ones, so to speak) in ~/.kde/share/applnk
[01:53] <intelikey> jamadagni .kde/something...   you can use "grep" to search instid of files.
[01:54] <intelikey> grep -HiRe "string to look for" basedir/
[01:54] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: in ~/.kde/share/apps/IconPositions  you may find the position of the icons as shown on desktop (apparently)
[01:55] <jamadagni> i don't have such a folder
[01:55] <jamadagni> and the applnk folder is empty
[01:56] <intelikey> jamadagni until you edit a menu the default is used.  it's not stored in ~
[01:57] <intelikey> hmmm  ls -AR > one        edit the menu  then   ls -AR > two ;diff one two         :)
[01:58] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: there's also KDE menu editor; well about the applnk folder... u could create a folder Games and put there a file with .kdelnk extension with contents similar to see http://pastebin.bafserv.com/288 ; this should appear in KdeMenu under Games
[01:58] <AtKaaZ> (it's verified)
[01:59] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: i wonder where's that default :)
[01:59] <intelikey> /usr/share/kde  maybe   idk
[01:59] <AtKaaZ> it's /usr/share/applnk
[02:00] <intelikey> k
[02:00] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: guess this is the one u've been looking for: /usr/share/applnk
[02:00] <AtKaaZ> anyways, everything should be obv. now
[02:00] <intelikey> AtKaaZ there is more menu stuff in /etc/menu/   iirc
[02:01] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: only have /etc/menu-methods with 3 scripts
[02:02] <jamadagni> AtKaaZ - yes /usr/share/applnk is the one but it appears to contain only the additions. where are the originals?
[02:02] <intelikey> hmmm depends on the install i guess.  i installed ubuntu then added xfce4 kde blackbox fluxbox   to it
[02:03] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: well, you are right, now i see; let's find'em :D
[02:07] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: some stuff here : /usr/share/applications
[02:07] <GNULinuxGeek> Does anyone here have apper loaded and are using KDE?
[02:07] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: and here /usr/share/app-install/desktop
[02:08] <GNULinuxGeek> RETRY: Does anyone here have Dapper loaded and are using KDE?
[02:08] <AtKaaZ> GNULinuxGeek: me :)
[02:08] <nnn0> i am
[02:08] <erov> me thrice
[02:09] <kaz3> 4
[02:09] <nnn0> :)
[02:09] <nnn0> and you could even ask in #mepis :)
[02:09] <azmodean> dapper + KDE yes
[02:10] <AtKaaZ> ja
[02:10] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: more here, /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/
[02:10] <kaz3> question, i downloaded gimp 2.2 and want to put it in the k menu. for 'add item' under 'command', can i just put gimp?
[02:10] <azmodean> I was searching for a package called "apper"
[02:10] <GNULinuxGeek> OK, very wierd problem.  Konqueror willopen with big fat icon view and I can select Text List view and get that after a bit of a delay.  But, if I select Detailed view, it locks up tight.  Ideas?  I even loaded the latest KDE.
[02:11] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: gimp-remote-2.2
[02:11] <AtKaaZ> azmodean: me too at first lolz
[02:11] <intelikey> In this directory, the system administrator can install menufiles to
[02:11] <intelikey> override the menu files provided by Debian in /usr/lib/menu, /usr/share/menu
[02:11] <intelikey> and /usr/share/menu/default.
[02:11] <jane_d_mook> Kubuntu live and the install went fine, after update I have horrible resolution on my monitor and no access to XP which I can probably fix.. why would the update screw up the res when the live was fine and the install was fine until the update.
[02:12] <jane_d_mook> HOw do I change the screen res?
[02:12] <azmodean> what did you update?  did you see the update notification and "update all"?
[02:12] <Hawkwind> Everyone here needs to vote for your favorite distro/wm and many other things here:  http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9835380873.html
[02:12] <kaz3> AtKaaZ: should i use that as the command: gimp-remote-2.2?
[02:13] <Hawkwind> That's the yearly desktop voting they do and has some really interesting stats once the results are given
[02:13] <jane_d_mook> azm yes
[02:13] <intelikey> my favorite wm is 'tty#'   :)
[02:13] <jamadagni> @AtKaaZ thanks! but there seems to be no order to these locations except that all are under /usr/share
[02:13] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: if u want, my gimp icon has "gimp-remote-2.2 " without the quotes in the command field
[02:14] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Hah
[02:14] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: that is %U
[02:14] <azmodean> perhaps you can go into the update app and rollback some of the updates that are associated with video until it reverses, not sure if it has that capability, but it should :)
[02:14] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: konversation seems to interpret that as underline; so that's "gimp-remote-2.2 %U"
[02:16] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: yeah, i'm planning on giving up X for a while, in favour of the console , as soon as I make allegro work with fbcon, can't seem to trick initrd image to create a valid image which i've modified vga16fb to nvidiafb for loading, any ideas?
[02:16] <jane_d_mook> I knew I should have stuck with Ubuntu..
[02:16] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: what do u have now?
[02:17] <jane_d_mook> kubuntu 6.06
[02:17] <jamadagni> ok thanks AtKaaZ, bye for now
[02:18] <Tokeiito> xm
[02:18] <kaz3> AtKaaZ, thanks
[02:18] <AtKaaZ> bye jamadagni
[02:18] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: just trying to be useful  (s/ful/less/)
[02:20] <D4rkly> does anyone know how to install and setup darwin streaming server ?
[02:20] <azmodean> someone does I'm sure, just not me (I keed)
[02:20] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: i guess u liked gnome better ?/:) otherwise i don't see the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu [but that's just me] 
[02:21] <intelikey> AtKaaZ roll you own kernel   build in fbcon nvidia and read carefully the help screens on those options   things like  i2c that are needed.
[02:21] <jane_d_mook> I dont like gnome better but it does seem to WORK..
[02:21] <jane_d_mook> THe Ubuntu channel has always been helpful
[02:22] <jane_d_mook> Sooo, no one here can help change the video res?
[02:22] <intelikey> jane_d_mook  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:22] <intelikey> add -plow  if you like.
[02:23] <jane_d_mook> ANd 20 questions that I will not know the answer to..
[02:23] <intelikey> probably  yes
[02:23] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: yep, downloading it now, but i bet i could just modify the initrd image and add nvidiafb module and try and see if that runs, but can't modify the initrd.img file which is a gzip file and inside it it's a cpio archive: kernel panics before mounting it as root on startup(repacking it fails somehow-i dno how to do it)
[02:24] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: so you want to change the video res in kubuntu ?
[02:24] <jane_d_mook> YEs
[02:24] <AtKaaZ> oh, didn't see that intelikey
[02:24] <intelikey> same process in gnome.    you are reconfiging X not the wm/de
[02:25] <jane_d_mook> It went from 1024 x 768 during and after the install to maybe 640 x 480 that is unuseable
[02:25] <intelikey> yeah reconfigure xorg
[02:26] <jane_d_mook> What a royal pain just to change the res?
[02:27] <intelikey> jane_d_mook whining about it wont help.
[02:27] <kaz3> hey AtKaaz, i just found that Gimp installed a shortcut in the K Menu already, o well, thanks anyways
[02:27] <jane_d_mook> DOnt seem to be getting help either way
[02:28] <AtKaaZ> my God, whiptail using 99% cpu
[02:28] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: did u try what intelikey said?
[02:28] <jane_d_mook> recoinfiguring all of my xorg.. no
[02:29] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Unless you setup your X correctly, it will continue to be the wrong size.  Just reconfigure your X server(using the default answers usually works best) and get it done and over with
[02:29] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: If you don't do that, it won't get fixed.
[02:29] <intelikey> but you wont get any help here.......
[02:29] <intelikey> whiner !
[02:30] <jane_d_mook> Not to mention the upgrade took out the grub entry for my other OS's... nice work there..
[02:30] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: would u rather edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand? :D
[02:30] <jane_d_mook> Any day of the week
[02:30] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Surely you make daily backups of your system right ?
[02:30] <jane_d_mook> Only just installed it and upgraded it..
[02:30] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: yeah too bad about that, had that one happening for me too
[02:31] <Sanne> jane_d_mook: the reconfigure script usually takes the values you entered last time, so you would only need to change the ones regarding the resolution.
[02:31] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: I didnt think I would NEED a backup half way through the install
[02:31] <alejandra> :)
[02:31] <intelikey> :)
[02:31] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: You should do daily backups of your system no matter if you think you'll need them or not
[02:31] <AtKaaZ> kaz3: oh ok :) was it in the Graphics submenu? /me forgot to mention that
[02:32] <intelikey> Hawkwind or just learn to fix things
[02:32] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: Are you listening,...  It has not even been installed for a day .. not even an hour.. so enough with your backup retoric
[02:33] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Ummmm, didn't you have other OS's installed ?
[02:33] <jane_d_mook> YEs, they are fine, other than the grub boot entry is missing
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> Or just store anything that matters on bsd (with mirrored raid) anything else is unimportant (that is how I deal with it) backing up is a pain
[02:33] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: If you did, then surely you have backups of lilo/grub files to fix your problem.
[02:33] <jane_d_mook> I already fixed one and will fix the other as soon as I get a res I can work with
[02:34] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Backing up is a pain ?  Not a pain when it's done by a daily cronjob and a script for you
[02:34] <kaz3> yep
[02:34] <intelikey> h3sp4wn dito
[02:34] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: You must be 12... I only just now installed an OS that needs grub/lilo
[02:34] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: You can get the res you want by doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and stop whining about things being messed up
[02:34] <goop2> uh oh.. your having resolution problems too?
[02:34] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: look in /boot/menu/  you may see some file like menu.lst.060823005310  that's your backed up menu.lst and prolly that one with the entries not missing :)
[02:34] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: No need to call people names or make fun of them.  If you had backups of things you wouldn't be having this issue
[02:35] <jane_d_mook> thanks atk.. will check for that
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> My linux box is always in a mess (and doesn't have anything important on it) backing up a mess is pretty pointless anyway
[02:35] <D4rkly> how do i install a .bin file ?
[02:35] <Hawkwind> sh filename.bin
[02:35] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: and if you would listen.. there was NOTHING to backup
[02:35] <goop2> Hawkwind: dude... stop being a noob.. stfu about backups
[02:35] <intelikey> AtKaaZ boot/menu ???
[02:35] <Hawkwind> goop2: Trying to help people.  I don't think you have the right to cuss at people honestly
[02:36] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: depends on ur irc client i guess if u type atk<TAB> it'll complete the nick automaticly :D just trying to be friendly
[02:36] <intelikey> jane_d_mook AtKaaZ meant /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:36] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: You said you had other OS's on the system, so therefore there had to be files from those distros
[02:36] <Erich-K> Hey guys, how can i make it so mp3 files open default with xmms instead of amarok?
[02:36] <goop2> Hawkwind: talking about inexistant backups from yesterday, when the OS wasnt installed wont help
[02:36] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: Yes there are files for those other distros. But you obviously know nothing.
[02:36] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: /boot/grub
[02:37] <AtKaaZ> i'm sleepy :P
[02:37] <jane_d_mook> I am running kate to edit that now
[02:37] <intelikey> :)
[02:37] <jane_d_mook> I know we let all kinds into the room
[02:37] <Agios> goop2: anyone with even the least experience with data processing knows a good backup/recovery process is essencial.
[02:37] <intelikey> AtKaaZ i corrected for you  ^
[02:37] <AtKaaZ> jane_d_mook: /boot/grub/  (sorry for mistakes today)
[02:37] <Hawkwind> goop2: No.  Talking about files that were already there.  Use what is there and add a line or two and be done.  I happen to know what I'm talking about.  Now, if you would stop your non-sense and help someone, it would be much more appreciated
[02:37] <AtKaaZ> yes thanks intelikey  /me :zzz: -ing
[02:37] <jane_d_mook> AtKaaZ: yea..  I am familiar with it.
[02:37] <nnn0> relax you all, it's just NSA sending aggresive brainwaves thru the mantle :)
[02:38] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: Your attitude in this channel is NOT helping anyone.
[02:38] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: My attitude ?
[02:38] <AtKaaZ> nnn0: that needs to be investigated :P
[02:38] <intelikey> nnn0 no
[02:38] <Sanne> Erich-K: in Konqueror, right click on the file -> properties. then click on the icon beside "Type".
[02:39] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: I happen to be a regular here that knows quite a bit.  It's someone like you who marches in and whines about everything instead of doing what others suggest is what makes things bad in the channel
[02:39] <D4rkly> sorry guys i have to stick up for the hawk eye he does know his stuff generally and is a dedicated member of the communinty you will see him here helping others on a daily basis
[02:40] <Erich-K> Sanne: Thanks alot :)
[02:40] <Sanne> Erich-K: you're welcome :)
[02:40] <james_xxx> i am using a linksys wusb54g v.4 wireless adapter in kubuntu 6.06.1. i have it working, however... my computer occasionally locks up when i am surfing the internet, and i have to reboot. also, if the computer is left idle for a periiod of several hours, it often locks up and has to be rebooted. i do not know if these issues are even connected to the use of this wireless adapter....
[02:41] <intelikey> D4rkly i agree he's here a lot.
[02:41] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: I would expect a regular user to know more and LISTEN to all of the problem..
[02:41] <james_xxx> ny the way, Hawkwind has bailed me out several times, and is quite knowledgable
[02:41] <james_xxx> by*
[02:41] <jane_d_mook> All of my res are showing in xorg..
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> jane_d_mook: If you have other distro's then why not just compare the xorg.conf's from those (or just use a working one)
[02:42] <jane_d_mook> I never said I had other distros on here.  I said other OS's...  there is a difference
[02:42] <D4rkly> anyone know where i can get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel
[02:42] <danny500> yoyoyo
[02:43] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Have you bothered to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet at all ?
[02:43] <azmodean> jane_d_mook: have you checked /boot/grub for a menu.lst.* file?
[02:43] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: Must be that speed-reading they teach in schools
[02:43] <jane_d_mook> Hawkwind: yes.
[02:43] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Enough of the ignorance and the attitude, seriously
[02:43] <Sanne> james_xxx: strange lockups could be related to bad ram, I suggest making a memtest, the *ubuntu live cds have one, and there's should also be one in your grub menu.
[02:43] <danny500> do they make any of the final fantasy games for linux?
[02:43] <jane_d_mook> azmodean:  there was no backup made, but that is an easy fix.
[02:44] <Hawkwind> jane_d_mook: Either do what others tell you to fix things and stop whining, or just simply ignore everyone and keep your system broken
[02:44] <james_xxx> i am looking at an ubuntu forum on the wusb54g wireless adapter (not the one i used to get mine working), and the person who wrote it has blacklisted some modules that i did not blacklist, so i am wondering if that might be an issue?
[02:44] <jane_d_mook> azmodean: and for hawks benefit... There was no backup made by the UPGRADE script that trashed this system
[02:44] <james_xxx> Sanne: ty for that suggestion, i will do  that
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> jane_d_mook: Which upgrade script ?
[02:44] <jane_d_mook> The system update.
[02:44] <danny500> hey
[02:45] <Sanne> D4rkly: go to packages.ubuntu.com, to section "Search the contents of packages", to find out the package that provides those files.
[02:45] <danny500> hey
[02:45] <jane_d_mook> everything was fine up to that point
[02:45] <AtKaaZ> i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from konsole and since Ctrl-c didn't work i closed it and ever since whiptail (program) is using as much cpu as it can ie. 95%
[02:45] <Sanne> james_xxx: good luck :)
[02:45] <goop2> danny500: maybe look for roms?
[02:45] <danny500> ?
[02:45] <james_xxx> Sanne: if you were me :-P... would you try blacklisting those other modules, or leave them alone?
[02:45] <erov> like what ff game are you looking for, danny?
[02:45] <goop2> danny500: google roms
[02:45] <Hawkwind> danny500: You could run something like zsnes and download roms of the snes games and play those
[02:46] <danny500> o ok
[02:46] <erov> i mean.. 7 8 9 10.. no they dont make a "linux version"
[02:46] <danny500> I'm looking for ff9 ff tatics
[02:46] <dima_> Hi,everyone.I had a problem with xserver-xorg-core package yesterday. After upgrading the system refused to start. However, after an upgrade today, everything went well again?
[02:46] <erov> 6 and under you can play, as you can in windows, with an emulatior
[02:46] <goop2> danny500: I think zsnes is in adept.. Im not sure
[02:46] <erov> dima_: that was known..
[02:46] <dima_> Has anybody have this problem
[02:46] <Kr4t05> danny500: which game do you specifically want to play?
[02:46] <Agios> dima_: yes, there was a bad xorg package yesterday.
[02:46] <erov> dima_: and expected behavior
[02:46] <danny500> 9
[02:46] <Gun_Smoke> looking for something like LimeWire?  Ideas?
[02:47] <D4rkly> i have libstdc++ installed but im guessing this is different to compat-libstdc++ ??? where can i get and install the latter'
[02:47] <dima_> thanks
[02:47] <azmodean> there is a ps2 emulator also, don't know if there is a linux port...
[02:47] <Kr4t05> danny500: you'll need pcsx
[02:47] <james_xxx> Gun_Smoke: frostwire
[02:47] <erov> Gun_Smoke: aMule
[02:47] <Agios> dima_: got a lot of people. New package today fixed it.
[02:47] <AtKaaZ> dima_: yes it was a flying bug :))
[02:47] <erov> oh sorry
[02:47] <Kr4t05> danny500: sudo apt-get install pcsx
[02:47] <Sanne> james_xxx: unfortunately I know nothing about wireless, but I might try blacklisting, if it works for somebody else. Not very helpful, sorry.
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> The zsnes in dapper is ancient (I have a package of the svn version if anyone wants it)
[02:47] <intelikey> yeah  official release of the xorg bug   lol
[02:47] <erov> zsnes is at 1.42 right?
[02:47] <Gun_Smoke> FrostWire or aMule.. ?
[02:47] <james_xxx> Sanne: your input was much appreciated
[02:48] <erov> Gun_Smoke: Frostwire if you mean like LimeWire.. but they use the same protocols i believe
[02:48] <danny500> I have the psx emu for linux but it don't open. d I have to right click on the ff game file and tell it to open with the psx emu?
[02:48] <james_xxx> Gun_Smoke: frostwire works on the same networks as limewire, aMule is like edonkey
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> erov: Alot has changed since 1.42 (in the svn tree) for example sdl at high res works alot better as does hq4x
[02:48] <erov> my zsnes crashes at when i go to exit
[02:48] <erov> never figured that out
[02:48] <Gun_Smoke> Which has a better selection of music?
[02:49] <danny500> any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?
[02:49] <erov> Gun_Smoke: cant say.. try'em both and see :p
[02:49] <goop2> danny500: you probabaly need to open it from your emu.. Ive never done it with psx though
[02:49] <james_xxx> Gun_Smoke: you might want to install both, but... i am not sure as i do not illegally download music anymore (except on rare occasions :-D )
[02:49] <Sanne> D4rkly: You can also search for packages on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <danny500> any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?
[02:50] <intelikey> eeeek   will this boot  ?  -rwxr-x---  1 root root  3610169 Aug 22 19:46 vmlinux
[02:50] <jane_d_mook> thanks to those that tried to help (without the obvious insults)
[02:50] <Sanne> james_xxx: thanks for your kind words :)
[02:50] <danny500> any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?
[02:50] <BluDog_Anchorite> !limewire > BluDog_Anchorite
[02:50] <intelikey> that's 3.5m
[02:50] <james_xxx> yw sanne
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> erov: http://www.milkspank.com/h3sp4wn/dapper/zsnes/ (You just need http://www.milkspank.com/h3sp4wn/dapper/zsnes/zsnes_1.43-pre-h3sp4wn1_i386.deb but the source is there if you want it))
[02:50] <danny500> any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?any of you guy's play that "Abuse" game?
[02:50] <james_xxx> jane was a pill....
[02:51] <erov> thank you
[02:51] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn: Thanks, I may just take the time to get Super Mario World later
[02:51] <danny500> hey!
[02:51] <intelikey> danny500 not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.not i.
[02:51] <intelikey> :)
[02:51] <danny500> ok thats all I wanted to know
[02:51] <danny500> how do I join a server for it?
[02:52] <danny500> ?????
[02:52] <goop2> well I came in in the middle of it, saw her complaining about the whole "backup thing" and made asumptions..
[02:53] <goop2> after that I noticed she had an obsession
[02:53] <AtKaaZ> Helping people is not a solution; building a system that is throughly understood by its users is. (my opinion)
[02:53] <AtKaaZ> uhm
[02:54] <goop2> not always
[02:54] <ataxic> hmm, I've tried installing 6.06 twice now with the alternate disc, when installing software (kde etc) at about 15 minutes in the install it looks like my screen times out and goes black, there are 2 white blocks in my screen and I cant get my screen back to the installation menu's
[02:54] <intelikey> goop2 she/he was here to whine   and Hawkwind was just helping her/him
[02:54] <Agios> AtKaaZ: when someone comes up with a system like that, let me know
[02:54] <AtKaaZ> Agios: will do ;;;)
[02:54] <ataxic> if this is a known issues can some point me to a workaround please?
[02:54] <Agios> hehe
[02:55] <intelikey> AtKaaZ you write it we'll use it
[02:55] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: will do lol
[02:55] <goop2> AtKaaZ: the solution is finding people willing to learn the system
[02:56] <Sanne> goop2: +1
[02:56] <AtKaaZ> goop2: what if the system resembles the brain's way of working
[02:56] <intelikey> i have trubble understanding scripts i've written,  when they are over 200 lines long and 2 years old....
[02:56] <erov> wish for a good vgba one
[02:56] <AtKaaZ> goop2: it'll be intuitive i guess
[02:56] <goop2> hmmm..
[02:56] <azmodean> heh, hyper-n00b question, how do you install a .deb?
[02:56] <erov> dpkg -i <deb>.deb
[02:57] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: yes, they're lacking a higher level system that keeps all things connected (ie. strings, commands)
[02:57] <azmodean> I've been installing everything through synaptic so far...
[02:57] <erov> or in Konq, right click the deb and there is a menu item
[02:58] <azmodean> menu item not showing up in konq
[02:58] <AtKaaZ> azmodean: what item ?
[02:58] <azmodean> doing the terminal version, I'll look into the konq thing once it's installed...
[02:58] <AtKaaZ> azmodean: alt+F1 ?
[02:59] <Sanne> ataxic: there seems to be nobody here with this installer issue you are having. You might try to search ubuntuforums, there may be some threads about such problems. I recently searched for (other) installer errors, but mine were due to bad ram.
[02:59] <goop2> dont you need to cd to the file?
[03:00] <ataxic> yeh I am browsing the forums, thnx
[03:00] <Sanne> ataxic: good luck :)
[03:00] <Sanne> ataxic: your ram is good? did a memtest?
[03:00] <azmodean> atkaaz: when right-clicking on a debian package in konqueror, no menu item for installing the package appears
[03:01] <AtKaaZ> azmodean: oh, my bad :-"
[03:01] <ataxic> dualboot, no problems with slackware windows or bsd
[03:01] <ryanakca> how do I reset kde do the default look & feel?
[03:01] <ataxic> i was just curious about kubuntu
[03:01] <ryanakca> how do I reset kde do the default kubuntu look & feel?
[03:02] <intelikey> ataxic might i sujest turning off the power management in the bios for the install.
[03:02] <goop2> ryanakca: 6.06?
[03:02] <ataxic> intelikey: i've been there, I'll try that
[03:02] <ataxic> i had a look at that after my second fail
[03:02] <ataxic> i'll give it one more go, if it fails then i give up
[03:02] <ataxic> cba :)
[03:02] <AtKaaZ> azmodean: have the same issue, a menu appears but nothing specific about .deb packages -> no install
[03:03] <goop2> ryanakca: its probabaly like this in the older versions too.. go to system settings and apearance
[03:03] <ataxic> innabit
[03:03] <intelikey> or at least set it to longest possable times  if not disabled
[03:03] <ataxic> okie ta intelikey
[03:03] <Sanne> ataxic: there's also a live cd, if you want to try kubuntu.
[03:03] <intelikey> yes but the installer on the live CD is krap.
[03:03] <ataxic> yeh, but i downloaded alternate cos I dont really like live cd, they never feel right
[03:04] <goop2> ryanakca: from there you can click a "Deafalts" button on all the screens I think
[03:04] <ryanakca> goop2: 6.10, but should work
[03:04] <Sanne> intelikey, ataxic: I agree, I also like the alternate cd better for install, I just thought for just testing Kubuntu the live cd might be a solution.
[03:04] <AtKaaZ> ataxic: yeah they feel like they're eating the CD when accessing :))
[03:04] <goop2> ryanakca: defaults*
[03:05] <ryanakca> goop2: yep, ty
[03:05] <snowdrift> hmmm
[03:05] <snowdrift> hello
[03:05] <intelikey> snowdrift
[03:05] <snowdrift> first time on under *nix
[03:05] <Sanne> snowdrift: congrats and welcome :)
[03:05] <snowdrift> ty
[03:06] <goop2> w00t! more for the linux user % :D
[03:06] <intelikey> welcome to the first step toward freedom
[03:06] <azmodean> greets, just switched recently myself
[03:06] <snowdrift> whats the easiest way to edit GRUB?
[03:06] <snowdrift> im dual-booting for now
[03:07] <snowdrift> i know you hate to hear that
[03:07] <snowdrift> ;-)
[03:07] <intelikey> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:07] <snowdrift> kubuntu is nicer than plain ubuntu
[03:07] <snowdrift> the kde interface is more what im used to
[03:07] <azmodean> or alt+F2, then enter "kdesu kate", browse to /boot/grub/menu.lst if you want to stay in the gui...
[03:07] <Sanne> snowdrift: lots of people dual boot, makes the transition easier, that's fine :)
[03:08] <intelikey> i like kde     but i don't like you calling it more like windows......   ;/
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of a way to disable KDE keyboard shortcuts. I'm having a helluva time with a vnc session because so much crap I need to do remote matches KDE shortcuts.
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> ?
[03:08] <snowdrift> id like to get where i could containerize XP in a virtual machine and run what i need to there
[03:08] <azmodean> snowdrift: same here, I was quite unhappy with ubuntu + Gnome, loving it with KDE
[03:08] <intelikey> i thought gnome was more like windows.    guess i don't know anything about windows
[03:09] <goop2> snowdrift: I find KDE far better than windows
[03:09] <snowdrift> i did and update on my software
[03:09] <intelikey> i'm with goop2 on htat
[03:09] <intelikey> that
[03:09] <snowdrift> i dont reboot at all?
[03:09] <snowdrift> only if i rebuild the kernal, right?
[03:09] <snowdrift> kernel
[03:09] <azmodean> erm, I think Xen is supposed to be able to run XP in a VM, not sure about compatability outside of Fedora...
[03:10] <intelikey> you don't have to reboot to run a different kernel.... not if you compile in support for hot loading kernels.... :)
[03:11] <intelikey> but it is affectively a reboot even then....
[03:11] <intelikey> just bypasses bios
[03:12] <Sanne> intelikey: that sounds a bit advanced...
[03:12] <intelikey> oh sorry.   i'm supposed to be a dummy.    /me forgets....
[03:13] <Sanne> intelikey: no you! :) I was just afraid it may comfuse snowdrift...
[03:13] <snowdrift> im already confused
[03:13] <snowdrift> its ok
[03:13] <Sanne> snowdrift: hehe
[03:13] <intelikey> so how do i get the pointy clicky thingy to let me in without a passwd ?
[03:13] <snowdrift> it will be months before im proficient
[03:14] <snowdrift> how do i install firefox?
[03:14] <AtKaaZ> intelikey: what u mean hot loading kernels support? /:)  does that exist?
[03:15] <intelikey> adept package manager
[03:15] <intelikey> !repos
[03:15] <intelikey> read that ^
[03:15] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:15] <HAL9000> whats happenin
[03:15] <intelikey> AtKaaZ it does indeed.   i wasn't talking through my hat.
[03:16] <Sanne> ok, time for sleep, night all
[03:16] <snowdrift> good night
[03:16] <HAL9000> anybody in here in nebraska
[03:16] <intelikey> not much joe
[03:17] <HAL9000> cool
[03:17] <intelikey> oh and not i
[03:17] <HAL9000> does anyone in here have limewire or frostwire
[03:19] <goop2> I have limewire on Windows
[03:19] <HAL9000> I have it in other distros
[03:19] <HAL9000> wondered how it would work in Kubuntu
[03:19] <Goop2> I generaly prefer torrents
[03:20] <HAL9000> yea
[03:20] <HAL9000> I like torrents
[03:20] <HAL9000> but i like the one step approach of share clients
[03:21] <HAL9000> i noticed niether was in kubuntu's repos
[03:21] <Goop2> I like being able to download full albums instead of just one song :P
[03:21] <HAL9000> true
[03:21] <HAL9000> at the same time it seems that its faster to use share clients
[03:22] <HAL9000> not that i would use ap2p to download music or anything
[03:22] <HAL9000> that would be illegal
[03:22] <HAL9000> lol
[03:22] <Goop2> of course
[03:22] <intelikey> well i'm itchin' to see if either of these new kernels will actually boot....   but i guess i'll wait until the update finishes
[03:22] <Goop2> we NEVER do illegal stuff :D
[03:23] <D4rkly> anyone know the legalities of streaming media servers ?
[03:23] <HAL9000> i use it strictly for educational purposes and share um..uh pictures with ppl
[03:23] <HAL9000> lol
[03:23] <Goop2> hehe
[03:23] <D4rkly> this is the way forward as the file never leaves the server
[03:23] <HAL9000> oh and porn
[03:23] <HAL9000> lol
[03:24] <Goop2> I thought that was included in "educational" xD
[03:24] <HAL9000> oh yea
[03:24] <HAL9000> i forgot
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu has applications specifically for viewing port
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu has applications specifically for viewing porn
[03:24] <intelikey> it's not illegal to use dcc to move files    "unless they happen to be protected by copy right and you don't have permission"   hehhe
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> !info pornview
[03:24] <ubotu> pornview: Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 608 kB
[03:24] <fyyrest0rm> anyone have experience with wine and WoW?
[03:25] <D4rkly> i do fyyrest0rm :) but maybe you can help me also :)
[03:25] <D4rkly> i cant get it running with -opengl
[03:25] <pierreth> hello
[03:26] <intelikey> D4rkly i think streaming falls under the heading of 'rebroad casting'   so check the applicable laws on such
[03:26] <fyyrest0rm> D4rkly: I'm not even that far..Im getting an error about a missing opengl32.dll lol
[03:26] <pierreth> how can i know if some material is supported by Kubuntu?
[03:27] <D4rkly> oh i didnt get that error did you use adept to install it ?
[03:27] <D4rkly> cool thanks intel
[03:27] <intelikey> "material is supported"  read the docs that come with it
[03:27] <fyyrest0rm> D4rkly: nope..followed the directions at winehq to compile it
[03:27] <pierreth> intelikey: the doc of the material?
[03:28] <snowdrift> !info pornview
[03:28] <ubotu> pornview: Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 608 kB
[03:28] <snowdrift> HAHAHA
[03:28] <snowdrift> caught!
[03:28] <Goop2> haha
[03:29] <intelikey> anything supported by ubuntu will have ubuntu docs     unless you care to narrow the list a bit  i can't do much more than that.
[03:29] <pierreth> intelikey: I must go to the ubuntu site to know?
[03:30] <HAL9000> whats ur favorite distro?
[03:30] <nick_> ubuntu
[03:30] <pierreth> kubuntu
[03:30] <HAL9000> PCLOS
[03:30] <nick_> i got kde and gnome
[03:30] <Goop2> Ive only used Kubuntu, but I wanna try Gentoo
[03:30] <D4rkly> ok i just installed it from the wine repos. I wanted to build it but got an error installing dependencies saying they may break other things
[03:30] <nick_> any1 else got both
[03:31] <HAL9000> Gentoo is my old favorite
[03:31] <HAL9000> I also like slax
[03:31] <ubuntu> Hi there
[03:32] <HAL9000> has anyone else in here use PCLINUXOS
[03:32] <intelikey> pierreth can you be more vague ?     just what exactly is it you want to know about ?
[03:33] <pierreth> intelikey: lol! I want to buy a PC for Kubuntu, I want to know how can I choose something that is going to work
[03:33] <HAL9000> i run a dual boot with kubuntu and Windows
[03:33] <tpelton> hi
[03:33] <ubuntu> I have a slight problem. I am trying to install Ubuntu on a RAID1 array on nForce 4 SATA, and during the partition part, the drives show up as seperate drives. What should I do?
[03:33] <tpelton> new kubunut user, not new to linux
[03:34] <HAL9000> I also run a dual boot with PCLOS nad Gentoo 2006
[03:34] <Goop2> HAL9000: same
[03:34] <HAL9000> and*
[03:34] <tpelton> having problems with sound
[03:34] <tpelton> kde sound works
[03:34] <tpelton> kaffeine and amorak and a game that uses also doesn't
[03:34] <tpelton> *alsa
[03:35] <thompa> HAL9000: im also running sabayon
[03:35] <tpelton> searched forums
[03:35] <tpelton> no joy
[03:35] <intelikey> pierreth supported hardware    ahhh     there is a web page on things that linux is know to work well with.   google can find it for you.
[03:35] <tpelton> why would kde (arts) sound work
[03:35] <HAL9000> sabayon, never tried
[03:35] <thompa> its gentoo live dvd
[03:35] <tpelton> and not other stuff ?
[03:35] <Goop2> I forgot how I fixed that :\
[03:35] <thompa> HAL9000: has nvidia and compiz working live
[03:36] <intelikey> pierreth also if you have a list of hardware you care to ask about you can ask here  or in #ubuntu  and probably find someone that has tried it.
[03:36] <thompa> dvds play right off cause its from italy i guess and not restricted,
[03:36] <HAL9000> whats that thompa
[03:36] <pierreth> intelikey: ok, sorry for my English, some I must search about Linux and not about Kubuntu
[03:36] <thompa> sabayon linux
[03:36] <HAL9000> cool
[03:37] <tpelton> kde sound works, kaffeine and amarok don't ?
[03:37] <trpr_> pierreth: subtitute ubuntu for kubuntu in your search if you want more results
[03:37] <pierreth> trpr_: OK
[03:37] <ubuntu> anyone?
[03:37] <HAL9000> PCLINUXOS comes with nvidia and ati drivers
[03:37] <thompa> HAL9000: i got it on one laptop but wireless problems, and on amd64 sata it just wont work
[03:38] <intelikey> yes  generally speaking pierreth if linux supports it then *buntu does.   and vise verse.
[03:38] <HAL9000> wirless probs with pclos?
[03:38] <intelikey> a
[03:38] <HAL9000> which version
[03:38] <tpelton> kde sound works, kaffeine and amarok doesn't ?
[03:38] <thompa> HAL9000: yep, newest
[03:38] <HAL9000> tryp.93a junior
[03:38] <ubuntu> I guess not...
[03:38] <thompa> HAL9000: i installed edgy eft on it
[03:38] <tpelton> anyone ? kde sound works, kaffeine and amarok don't ...
[03:38] <HAL9000> try to go back to p.92 then
[03:39] <Goop2> thats how mine was when I installed it.. I wish I could remember how I fixed it
[03:39] <HAL9000> what are ur laptop specs
[03:39] <thompa> i might
[03:39] <Goop2> ooh
[03:39] <Goop2> I remember now
[03:39] <intelikey> ubuntu maybe someone in #ubuntu  can answer that, if you don't get an answer here
[03:39] <tpelton> goop2, you talking to me ?
[03:39] <thompa> its a sony vaio 660/w centrino
[03:39] <thompa> overheats
[03:39] <Goop2> tpelton: yep
[03:39] <ubuntu> Thanks, I'll try
[03:40] <HAL9000> i had an overheat problem on my old ass hp
[03:40] <Goop2> tpelton: Im pretty sure it was xine that wasnt working
[03:40] <thompa> HAL9000: the worst heaters are sony
[03:40] <Goop2> tpelton: look that up in adept
[03:40] <HAL9000> had to get klaptop i believe
[03:40] <intelikey> eeeeek ! tty22 [root@/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15]  make modules-install
[03:40] <tpelton> ok ?
[03:40] <HAL9000> sonys run hot ?
[03:40] <intelikey> make: *** No rule to make target `modules-install'.  Stop.
[03:40] <tpelton> i have an also game that doesn't have sound too ...
[03:40] <HAL9000> never had a sony
[03:40] <tpelton> i'm thinking it's also or something ...
[03:41] <tpelton> *alsa
[03:41] <thompa> HAL9000: vaio with nvidia is hot , can go to 95C
[03:41] <Goop2> tpelton: also it might be your volume.. I had to fix that cause alot of stuff was muted
[03:41] <tpelton> goop2, i've played with alsamixer ... and again, kde "test sound" works
[03:41] <HAL9000> hot
[03:42] <tpelton> it's just that _other_ apps don't ...
[03:42] <tpelton> very weird
[03:42] <That> any1 got problems with amarok
[03:42] <thompa> HAL9000: anyway edgy is going to be best
[03:42] <Goop2> tpelton: ok.. I think I installed xine or sumthin.. thats in Adept
[03:42] <That> its skips all my songs
[03:42] <ryanakca> goop2: didn't work :(
[03:42] <That> need help [lz
[03:42] <tpelton> goop2, ok ... i'll take a look at that
[03:42] <HAL9000> cool
[03:43] <intelikey> well i'm gone to test new kernel builds   wish me anger management  :)
[03:43] <thompa> HAL9000: im running edgy and its very fast, cool apps: tomboy notes and disk space info
[03:43] <Goop2> ryanakca: whats wrong with yours?
[03:44] <ryanakca> Goop2: remember, revert to default theme?
[03:44] <That> bye'
[03:44] <Goop2> ryanakca: oh that..
[03:44] <thompa> bye too
[03:44] <Goop2> ryanakca: Im not sure what the default stuff in 6.10 is.. sorry
[03:45] <ubuntu> Yay! They had the answer: Just use the iso with the text-based installer. I'm out!
[03:45] <Goop2> ryanakca: I mean.. oops.. 6.10? :P
[03:46] <ryanakca> Goop2: 6.10, edgy eft, the ruling salamander of the world. ;P
[03:46] <Goop2> haha
[03:47] <Goop2> wait.. isnt dapper the latest??
[03:48] <Hawkwind> Latest stable, yes
[03:48] <Hawkwind> Edgy is the latest beta version
[03:49] <Goop2> ooh.. I never knew about that..
[03:50] <damian_> how do I upgrade to the 2.6.17 kernel?
[03:51] <Goop2> ryanakca: does it look the same as dapper?
[03:53] <ryanakca> Goop2: no, it's purple
[03:54] <Goop2> ryanakca: is the default button not there?
[03:55] <Goop2> ryanakca: or not working?
[03:55] <ryanakca> Goop2: yes, it's there... just doesn't work
[03:55] <tpelton> goop2: i have xine stuff installed ... any other thoughts ?
[03:55] <tpelton> i _dont_ have the arts xine installed though ...
[03:55] <tpelton> it seems like it is something funny with also
[03:55] <tpelton> *alsa
[03:56] <james_xxx> wow , after i installed the update on my xubuntu box, i was no longer connected to the net, and when i rebooted, x would not come up....
[03:56] <tpelton> i have an alsa application that doesn't work either
[03:56] <Goop2> tpelton: maybe... mp3 suport?
[03:57] <tpelton> i don't think that would affect my flight sim software
[03:57] <Goop2> tpelton: I guess not :p
[03:57] <tpelton> ok, thanks man
[03:58] <Goop2> does amaroK work?
[03:58] <Goop2> ryanakca: maybe youll just have to test them all :\
[03:59] <Goop2> ryanakca: I did that once.. its frustrating, but they do have the colors next to the names
[04:00] <Goop2> oh wait.. actualy the display would help too :P
[04:06] <actinic> most of the irc intro url's don't work
[04:11] <Goop2> !info pornview
[04:11] <ubotu> pornview: Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 608 kB
[04:11] <Goop2> AAHAHAHA
[04:15] <erov> haha
[04:20] <soulrider> hi
[04:20] <rrbiz> hi soulrdier
[04:20] <Goop2> hello good sir
[04:20] <Goop2> :P
[04:20] <soulrider> hello
[04:20] <rrbiz> I'm having a smoth ride on kubuntu myself here ;)
[04:21] <soulrider> kubuntu rocks, doesnt it?
[04:21] <Gh0st75> yep, sure does
[04:21] <Goop2> yes.. I must say Im riding quite smoothly myself
[04:21] <rrbiz> other than kde runaway program catcher on my kicker as applet, keeps prompting me with CPU hogs ;)
[04:21] <rrbiz> otherwise yep kubuntu's rocking
[04:21] <Goop2> hehe
[04:22] <Gh0st75> still can't get a couple things working like i did in windoze, but gettin close to 100% conversion
[04:22] <Goop2> I had it on there for about 5 minutes before I got sick of it xD
[04:23] <Erich-K> Is there a way to remove the Desktop Panel thing?
[04:23] <Goop2> desktop panel?
[04:23] <rrbiz> you mean like auto hide it?
[04:23] <Erich-K> The thing with the 4 desktops to select from
[04:23] <Gh0st75> i think he means the desktop chooser, where you have multiple desktops available down by the clocl
[04:24] <Erich-K> I want to remove it, i only need one desktop
[04:24] <Gh0st75> clock even
[04:24] <Erich-K> Exactly
[04:24] <Goop2> configure desktops
[04:24] <Gh0st75> i wouldn't mind knowin if it was possible to remove that as well, i too only require one desktop
[04:24] <rrbiz> yeah right click on kicker(taskbar) and go to options
[04:24] <Goop2> I use all of them
[04:24] <Erich-K> All i can do from there is set it to 1 desktop but the box is still there
[04:24] <Gh0st75> i have it set to 1 desktop as opposed to 4 in the config, but it still puts the chooser there
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i dont think you understand the usefulness of multiple desktops...
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> but to each his own
[04:25] <Goop2> remove applet
[04:25] <soulrider> Admiral_Chicago: i got them deactivated, because i dont undertsand it :P
[04:25] <Erich-K> Ahhh
[04:25] <Erich-K> I had to unlock panels
[04:25] <rrbiz> Admiral: how do u use 4 desktops ?
[04:25] <Erich-K> Then i could remove, Thanks guys
[04:25] <Goop2> click on the one you want to use
[04:25] <rrbiz> I mean what do u  put on them
[04:25] <Gh0st75> i wager most windows users like us wouldn't be used to multiple desktops...i'm sure there's a use for them, but have yet to see the advantage for my personal use
[04:25] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, right clikc at the menu bar...send to Desktop #2 etc
[04:25] <Goop2> I put what Im working on on one and everything else on another
[04:26] <Admiral_Chicago> I use one for web, one for IM, one for music, and one for work
[04:26] <soulrider> yea but... dunno. i dont find it that useful
[04:26] <soulrider> in that case, yes
[04:26] <soulrider> Gh0st75: i agree on the widnows users comment
[04:26] <Goop2> I didnt understand it at first, but I tried to find ways of using them, now Im always using them
[04:26] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, i do because I don't like so much stuff in the panel
[04:27] <Gh0st75> erich-K: where did you get the option to remove it?
[04:27] <Goop2> right click kicker
[04:27] <Goop2> remove applet
[04:27] <Gh0st75> kicker?
[04:27] <Goop2> thats what they called the taskbar
[04:28] <Gh0st75> oh, gotcha...good to know as well
[04:28] <Gh0st75> nice, that takes care of that
[04:29] <D4rkly> anyone know how i can repair a previous installation ?
[04:29] <Gh0st75> isn't there a repair option when you boot to the kubuntu cd?
[04:29] <rrbiz> Admiral_chigaco: good idea on splitting up apps in desktops
[04:30] <soulrider> Admiral_Chicago: i send the stuff to another desktop, but i still get the bar son my kicker
[04:30] <soulrider> cant i send that too ?
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, configure desktops...
[04:30] <Goop2> I think thats what most people do.. I usualy app split too
[04:31] <Goop2> exept everythings on desktop1 right now and it looks messy.. :\
[04:31] <Goop2> soooo..
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, brb
[04:31] <Goop2> pin down the stuff Im working on, switch desktops, unpin
[04:31] <Erich-K> I prefer only one desktop
[04:32] <Gh0st75> i never have a cluttered desktop anyway
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, actually, system settings, taskbar, show windows from all desktops
[04:32] <Gh0st75> i try to keep things as neat as possible
[04:32] <Erich-K> I mostly only have 2-3 apps open anyway
[04:33] <Goop2> at the moment I have 9
[04:33] <Gh0st75> i seldom have more than 3 open
[04:33] <soulrider> thanks Admiral_Chicago, iw as actually asking aobut the opposite, but this worked :)
[04:33] <Gh0st75> usually ktorrent, konversation, and kopete
[04:34] <Erich-K> I have Konversation, XMMS and Firefox
[04:35] <Goop2> Gaim, lots of firefox windows.. kate..
[04:35] <Goop2> usualy
[04:35] <Goop2> often system settings
[04:35] <Erich-K> I use tabs :)
[04:35] <Goop2> I use both
[04:36] <soulrider> i like Opera
[04:36] <Erich-K> Mmm
[04:36] <Goop2> Ive only used IE and Firefox
[04:36] <Erich-K> I find firefox is more supported though
[04:37] <Gh0st75> i've been giving konqueror a try, and i've no complaints
[04:37] <soulrider> does the pager tell me if a widnow in another desktp needs atention ?
[04:37] <Goop2> I started using firefox soon after some malway totaly skrewed IE on Windoze
[04:37] <Goop2> malware*
[04:37] <soulrider> me tto
[04:38] <soulrider> ive used both firefox and opera
[04:38] <soulrider> but i prefer opera
[04:38] <soulrider> besides
[04:38] <soulrider> less people use it which can be ana dvantage
[04:38] <Gh0st75> only drawback to konqueror is that bank sites don't like it
[04:38] <soulrider> at least for windoze users
[04:38] <soulrider> but in linux its the same
[04:38] <Agios> speaking of IE: http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6108490.html?part=rss&tag=6108490&subj=news
[04:38] <Agios> IE patch carries security bug
[04:38] <Gh0st75> i found firefox too slow loading, like netscrape slow...but i read there are tweaks to optimize that
[04:38] <soulrider> lol
[04:38] <Goop2> yeah there are
[04:39] <soulrider> www.opera.com ;)
[04:39] <Goop2> Ill find them if you want
[04:39] <Goop2> give you a link
[04:39] <soulrider> "could remotely take complete control of an affected system"
[04:39] <soulrider> creepy
[04:40] <Erich-K> Be right back
[04:41] <cozomo> hi, where could I get the kubuntu kernel sources packages?
[04:41] <soulrider> kernel.org ?
[04:41] <Gh0st75> s'cool goop2, appreciate the offer but they're easy to find and it's too late for me to be tinkerin with the computer any more tonight
[04:41] <Goop2> speedy firefox http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/59/42/
[04:42] <Gh0st75> if i can get dvd::rip workin tonight that'll be my linux adventure for the day....will probably focus on gettin epsxe workin again then
[04:42] <timothy> is there some program that I can run at the command line that will list all running processes and let me kill one of them?
[04:43] <Agios> ps aux, kill -9 <pid>
[04:43] <Erich-K> Is there a way i can use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V in konsole?
[04:43] <a-priori> timothy: top does that
[04:44] <rrbiz> why not just use crtl esc and use gui?
[04:44] <cozomo> how do I get glxgears to display FPS?
[04:45] <Goop2> Erich-K: its.. um..
[04:45] <rrbiz> glxgear printfps
[04:45] <Agios> glxgears -printfps
[04:45] <Erich-K> Goop2: Nevermind. I found it :)
[04:45] <Goop2> Erich-K: I dont remember the shortcut, but I usualy right click to paste
[04:46] <Jack_Sparrow> shift-ctrl-V sometimes
[04:46] <rrbiz> It's be nice if you could mouse over the edges into other desktop screens
[04:46] <Erich-K> I just changed the key-combo in configure shortcuts
[04:47] <rrbiz> it'd*
[04:49] <Goop2> in breezy there was a bug (I asume) where hitting ctrl-V would paste and enter
[04:49] <Goop2> that was annoying
[04:49] <timothy> rrbiz: because I didn't have enough ram left to load it
[04:49] <rrbiz> timothy: I forgot the question lol
[04:50] <timothy> rrbiz: there should be a scroll bar to your right...
[04:51] <rrbiz> lol, yeah I tried digging it up, okay let me go back in time
[04:51] <rrbiz> oh for ctrl esc?
[04:52] <rrbiz> timothy: you running on low resouces with your pc?
[04:53] <timothy> rrbiz: no, just had an unruly application.
[04:53] <rrbiz> oh
[04:54] <Gh0st75> anyone here use psx emulators? wondering if pscx is as good as epsxe
[04:54] <Erich-K> How do i set firefox 2.0 as my default browser? I installed it and all, but links still open with 1.5
[04:54] <Gh0st75> er i mean pcsx
[04:54] <Kevin_> !mysql
[04:54] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:54] <Agios> Erich-K: kcontrol
[04:55] <intelikey> how big can a kernel be and still boot on an old system ?
[04:55] <Agios> Erich-K: kde components, default applications
[04:56] <intelikey> obviously not 50m   but what is the limit ?
[04:57] <Erich-K> Agios: Thanks mate :)
[04:57] <Agios> np
[04:59] <fyyrest0rm> anyone have an idea about what i may have wrong with my wine/WoW setup? I'm getting very low fps (9-12)
[05:01] <timothy> is there a way to end all taskes of a certian name?
[05:01] <a-priori> timothy: killall
[05:03] <intelikey> sudo killall <named-process>
[05:03] <Erich-K> How do i change permissions of a folder via konsole, so everyone can access/modify/etc?
[05:03] <intelikey> sudo killall sudo        :)
[05:04] <intelikey> chmod 777 dir/
[05:04] <intelikey> sudo that ^
[05:05] <pierreth> is kubuntu works well on amd64?
[05:05] <intelikey> !cli
[05:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:07] <intelikey> pierreth yes  but you may want to run 32bit on it....  depends on your needs.
[05:07] <Erich-K> intelikey: Thanks
[05:07] <pierreth> intelikey: why?
[05:07] <Erich-K> For the folder permission help
[05:07] <vursitis> well you can also download a version of kubuntu specificaly made for the 64bit processor
[05:08] <intelikey> there is 64bit *buntb  and 32bit *buntu
[05:08] <pierreth> why would i want the 32 bit version on 64 bit processor?
[05:09] <intelikey> Erich-K yes you are quite welcome
[05:09] <intelikey> pierreth because somethings don't run in 64 bit space yet.
[05:10] <pierreth> the 32 bit version is more compatible?
[05:10] <intelikey> pierreth and 32 bit runs well on 64bit boxes also.
[05:10] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Yes, much more so
[05:10] <intelikey> yes
[05:10] <nick_> can some 1 help me with amarok
[05:11] <Hawkwind> nick_: What kind of help do you need ?
[05:11] <intelikey> 64bit is still growing.  give it another year or two.
[05:11] <nick_> it skips all my songs
[05:11] <nick_> it wont play any of them
[05:11] <pierreth> so it is better to run 32 unless i know that the stuff that i want run on 64 bit
[05:11] <nick_> the only media player that works is xmms
[05:11] <Hawkwind> nick_: Have you added mp3 support ?
[05:11] <nick_> yer
[05:11] <intelikey> sudo apt-get remove amarok   ?
[05:12] <intelikey> oh not htat.
[05:12] <Hawkwind> intelikey: LOL.  I was wondering where you were going with that
[05:12] <intelikey> that
[05:12] <Hawkwind> nick_: mp3's play in other things such as xmms or something ?
[05:13] <pierreth> what will be the performance of the 32 bit with the 64 bit processor?
[05:14] <intelikey> skips all my songs   sounds to me like it's output is misconfigured maybe.   it may be playing them all really fast because there is no output.....  i have seen that.
[05:15] <nick_> im playing Mp3s and ive got media players such as noatun and beep ,Vlc and Mplayer but they all skip songs im think about switching to gstreamer
[05:15] <nick_> would that help
[05:15] <Hawkwind> intelikey: I know xmms does that when there isn't mp3 support, or it's misconfigured as well.
[05:15] <D4rkly> is it worth updating to kde 345 ?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> nick_: If they all skip songs, then it sounds like you don't have mp3 support set up yet
[05:15] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: It's risky.  It has issues
[05:16] <Hawkwind> !mp3
[05:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:16] <Hawkwind> nick_: ^^^^^^^^^^
[05:16] <nick_> k
[05:16] <nick_> cheers
[05:16] <D4rkly> am i better off staying with the current one then ?
[05:16] <intelikey> pierreth if you want to learn a little about it first, (and there are docs)  you can run 64bit and setup a 32bit chrooted env to run things that are not 64bit'ish
[05:16] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Current being what version ?
[05:17] <nick_> ive got to go
[05:17] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: If you mean 3.5.3, then that's up to you.  I went to 3.5.4 but had to revert back to 3.5.4 due to issues with konqueror running outside of KDE
[05:17] <nick_> thank you 4 yur help
[05:17] <Hawkwind> nick_: You're welcome
[05:18] <Kevin_> hey can anyone point me to a good ftp server program i can use?
[05:19] <intelikey> Kevin_  apt-cache search ftp | grep server
[05:19] <Agios> or apt-get install proftpd :)
[05:19] <Kevin_> what one is better?
[05:20] <Agios> his will list numerous options
[05:20] <intelikey> Agios if you like proftpd  yes   or ncftpd    or ....
[05:20] <Agios> better is subjective
[05:21] <pierreth> intelikey: would this be the best way to go?
[05:21] <Kevin_> Agios it will not let me do it ur way
[05:21] <Agios> Kevin_: sudo apt-get install proftpd
[05:21] <Agios> if you want to use proftpd
[05:22] <Kevin_> something about being unavailiable
[05:22] <intelikey> pierreth yes.  if you don't mind having to do some configuring    read the docs on setting up a chroot @ ubuntu.com
[05:22] <Agios> pierreth: I would suggest running 32 bit for now. Too many issues with 64 bit.
[05:23] <Agios> Kevin_: use intelikey's command and it will list your available options
[05:24] <intelikey> pierreth and also the learning curve is higher for 64bit,    don't expect everything to "just work" as they say.
[05:24] <D4rkly> i cant update amarok it says commit would break packages ?
[05:24] <intelikey> or config you repos
[05:25] <intelikey> !repos
[05:25] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:25] <jordanR> where is the file for gaim that has all your friend located?
[05:25] <Agios> jordanR: I think that is stored on the server
[05:26] <Agios> at least for some protocols
[05:26] <intelikey> D4rkly kubuntu-desktop ?     if so remove it then update.
[05:26] <jordanR> well i mean on your pc. I forgot all my password and i want to copy the file to my notebook
[05:27] <pierreth> i want to run java, is the 32 OK for that?
[05:27] <trappist> jordanR: there's a directory in your home directory called .gaim - that has everything.
[05:27] <trappist> pierreth: the 32 what?
[05:27] <pierreth> bit
[05:27] <intelikey> yes
[05:27] <trappist> pierreth: are you running a 32bit system, or amd64?
[05:28] <pierreth> trappist: now, i am on pcc32, i would like to buy a pc
[05:28] <intelikey> pierreth and there is no 64 bit flash    (but flash is evil anyway)
[05:28] <trappist> you mean ppc?
[05:28] <pierreth> ppc i mean
[05:28] <trappist> pierreth: you'd need a ppc jre
[05:28] <jordanR> trappist: it is not in my home folder
[05:29] <pierreth> i have eclipse running on my ppc
[05:29] <trappist> jordanR: it's hidden (because it starts with a .)
[05:29] <trappist> jordanR: whatever you're using to look at files, tell it to show hidden files.  or if you're in a console, ls -A
[05:29] <jordanR> trappist: ok thanks
[05:29] <intelikey> to see  .files   ls -A
[05:30] <pierreth> it is sad that i must live the ppc to run flash and all the java stuff
[05:30] <pierreth> otherwise, everything works just fine
[05:30] <intelikey> or click the show hidden in konq
[05:30] <D4rkly> should i enable universe and multiverse ?
[05:30] <D4rkly> when doing an upgrade
[05:30] <trappist> pierreth: that's what happens with proprietary software - we don't have the source available to recompile for other platforms.
[05:30] <trappist> D4rkly: sure, why not?
[05:31] <D4rkly> ok
[05:31] <pierreth> trappist: stupid proprietary!! take make us slave!
[05:31] <pierreth> i hate that
[05:31] <intelikey> D4rkly yes.   why wouldn't you enable all the repos ?
[05:32] <trappist> pierreth: the good news is, sun says they're going to open-source java.
[05:32] <D4rkly> wasnt sure if they were stable or in dev
[05:32] <intelikey> trappist that does it.   as long as i'm lagging i'm not answering anymore questions.  you type the answer before i see the question........
[05:32] <pierreth> trappist: i am not so sure about this
[05:33] <D4rkly> trappist yay java FTW
[05:33] <trappist> D4rkly: it's all stable.  the only reason not to enable multiverse is that it contains software whose licenses don't jibe with Ubuntu's license, and you may have legal or religious issues with it.
[05:33] <D4rkly> oh right
[05:33] <D4rkly> im a java dev
[05:34] <pierreth> D4rkly: do you think java will go open source?
[05:34] <D4rkly> trappist any idea how to port j2me personal profile to other arm based linux devices
[05:34] <Erich-K> I love linux :)
[05:34] <D4rkly> im not sure
[05:34] <trappist> pierreth: there are already open source jres available.  sun's isn't.  yet.
[05:35] <trappist> D4rkly: nope
[05:35] <D4rkly> sun FTW :)
[05:35] <trappist> D4rkly: I give java a wide berth.
[05:35] <pierreth> trappist: yes but there are fully compatible
[05:35] <trappist> pierreth: not quite, no.
[05:35] <intelikey> D4rkly ah... the repos are not devided by stace of development,  but rather by  activly supported (main)  free but not supported by the *buntu team (universe)  and  less than free (multiverse)   to even closed source non-free (restricted)
[05:35] <intelikey> state of ^
[05:36] <D4rkly> ok cool :)
[05:36] <pierreth> trappist: i cannot run limewire for example
[05:36] <trappist> pierreth: correct.  that requires sun's jre.
[05:37] <intelikey> the division on development is  the release    dapper (stable)   edgy (devel)
[05:37] <intelikey> until edgy is released then they work on the next one.
[05:39] <fyyrest0rm> ok..help lol. I rebooted just now and my screen res has gone all wonky..stuck in 640x480 mode and it wont let me change it
[05:39] <intelikey> D4rkly so then a line like this includes all four of the source catagories ...
[05:40] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[05:40] <D4rkly> cool thanx :)
[05:40] <D4rkly> quick reboot brb
[05:41] <intelikey> fyyrest0rm sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   might help you there.
[05:44] <intelikey> i get lots and lots of "warning blah is deprecated"   from this latest kernel source......
[05:46] <intelikey> it may be that it's not supposed to be compiled with gcc-4.0.3    idk
[05:46] <pierreth> would it possible to buy a pc without a hard drive and boot using a external firewire drive?
[05:47] <Vursitis-X> ummmmm it is possible to boot from a network or usb device but you might have to build the computer
[05:47] <intelikey> sure. pierreth you can order a kit with what you want in it.
[05:47] <dr_willis> pierreth,  external firewire will still be slow compared to an internal.
[05:48] <dr_willis> pierreth,  now an external SATA - now thats handy
[05:48] <intelikey> or boot a grub cd
[05:48] <pierreth> why slow? my mac is booting in firewire and it is fast
[05:48] <dr_willis> but it all depends on what job you are trying to do. And how ya want to do this song & Dance. :P
[05:48] <osiris> !limewire > osiris
[05:49] <intelikey> hehhe i might have been talking through my hat that time.
[05:49] <dr_willis> what speed is the firewire on the mac? how fast is the firewire on the pc?
[05:49] <dr_willis> compared to a decent sata  drive.
[05:49] <pierreth> 400 on the mac, on the pc, i don't know wet
[05:49] <intelikey> gurb can only boot what bios can read.
[05:50] <dr_willis> I was thinking USB2 was faster then the 400 speed firewire.
[05:50] <dr_willis> and usb2 is nasty slow at times.
[05:50] <pierreth> no firewire is faster
[05:50] <dr_willis> i was thinking firewire 800 was faster. Not Firewire 400
[05:50] <dr_willis> but heck - its sort of RARE to even have a firewire hd. :P
[05:51] <pierreth> ok, but my drive is 400
[05:51] <osiris> !java > osiris
[05:51] <dr_willis> firewire just hasent taken off like  they said it would.
[05:51] <pierreth> firewire is important for a lot of applications
[05:52] <dr_willis> about the only use i see common for it now a days is for the dv camcorders.
[05:52] <intelikey> osiris /msg ubotu java     does the same thing but we don't see it... :)
[05:52] <timothy> that is because in moste cases it is the device that is slow and not the connection
[05:52] <pierreth> for music...
[05:52] <Erich-K> Electric sheep doesn't seem to work, any ideas?
[05:52] <timothy> so a usb2 hd will only read at 30mbps when usb2.0 can transfer at 480mbps because the drive is slow
[05:53] <Erich-K> When i click to test it, it doesn't do anything
[05:53] <dr_willis> Ive seen some external usb2 raid box's :P
[05:53] <pierreth> usb 2 is slower than firewire 400
[05:53] <dr_willis> but i moved all my external usb drives internal a few mo ago.
[05:54] <intelikey> usb network ?
[05:54] <botlrokit> howdy kids
[05:55] <pierreth> so it would be as fast as the mac if i have a good card on the pc?
[05:55] <botlrokit> anyone here running Kubuntu on an Acer laptop?
[05:55] <dr_willis> well that would make sence.. the drive is proberly the bottleneck.
[05:56] <pierreth> should i check if the bios can boot with the firewire?
[05:56] <fyyrest0rm> ok..did the dkpg-recongigure xserv-xorg and i'm back to a decent screen res..but now my glx stuff seems to be gone :(
[05:56] <fyyrest0rm> *reconfigure
[05:57] <intelikey> oh NO !    "Setting up xserver-xorg-core (1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4) ... "  <<<---- is that the official bug release ?   or did i get a newer bug ?
[05:57] <dr_willis> pierreth,  can ya think of a reason to NOT check? :P   if you plan on trying it, you should check the bios to see if it can boot off of 'removeable media/storeage'  it not.. well its time for plan B.
[05:57] <dr_willis> lol
[05:57] <dr_willis> i aint doing any updates for a week!
[05:58] <pierreth> dr_willis: i don't have to check for these kind of things on mac, this is why i think this way
[05:59] <dr_willis> you dont want to get me started on the problems i had with my mac. :)
[05:59] <dr_willis> which is now sitting quietly in the garrage. :)
[06:00] <pierreth> dr_willis: i am sorry, but my mac mini works perfectly like all macs that i had
[06:00] <intelikey> yeah mac's are either lame or leet, and the only differance is your perspective at the moment   :)
[06:00] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: which mack.
[06:00] <dr_willis> pierreth,  yea.. sure
[06:00] <unix_infidel> mac*
[06:00] <dr_willis> got an imacDV - need one? :P
[06:01] <dr_willis> its my spare 'ssh terminal' i use for emergancies
[06:01] <pierreth> dr_willis: no, don't know about this one
[06:01] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: nah, if you find one of those clamshell ones.
[06:01] <thompa> edgy is an easy kernel upgrade
[06:01] <unix_infidel> i'm down for that P
[06:01] <dr_willis> unix_infidel,  heh - dont need one of those.
[06:01] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: i'm saying...if YOU find one of those and want to sell them  :P
[06:01] <unix_infidel> i'll buy it in a snap :)
[06:01] <dr_willis> Heh.. ebay!
[06:01] <dr_willis> :P
[06:02] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: too expensive on ebay.
[06:02] <unix_infidel> i'm looking for sub100
[06:02] <pierreth> lol
[06:02] <unix_infidel> heck, for 300 i can buy a friggin awesome amd64 machine.
[06:02] <fyyrest0rm> can someone please help me? I have no glx after reconfiguring xorg
[06:02] <thompa> i just got amd64 duo core
[06:03] <dr_willis> seen linux box's at the stor for  $130 or so now. :P
[06:03] <intelikey> !glx
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <intelikey> !ati
[06:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:03] <thompa> there are some cheap hps coming maybe just format windos out first
[06:04] <unix_infidel> thompa: cheap hp's coming??
[06:04] <intelikey> dr_willis hmm it costs that much to fill the fuel tank on a land-yhat  just to go get one.
[06:04] <dr_willis> These $130 box's use that AMD 1750 Semperon (?) cpu i think. :P
[06:04] <thompa> i think im going to be sorry cause i got mine a month ago
[06:05] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: i'm talking like 250 for a amd64 3500 with 1GB ram and a 250GB hd.
[06:05] <dr_willis> unix_infidel,  bah! over kill. :P
[06:05] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: for linux maybe.
[06:05] <dr_willis> lol.
[06:05] <dr_willis> my main box is 'low end' these days
[06:06] <dr_willis> one of the Joys of Linux. :)
[06:06] <intelikey> unix_infidel where is this box ?      you just may have my intrest peeked ?
[06:06] <Gun_Smoke> Is there a GUI temperature monitor?
[06:06] <dr_willis> One good thing about Windows Vista - hopefully the cost of the hardware will get cheaper.. then ya can have some really kicking machines for $200
[06:07] <intelikey> Gun_Smoke gkrealm    maybe
[06:07] <thompa> is there a link to the repositories on the net?
[06:08] <thompa> ive botched mine up
[06:08] <unix_infidel> erm, amd64 3700
[06:08] <timothy> gun: cpuinfo
[06:08] <timothy> !cpuinfo
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpuinfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <timothy> how do I create a bot entry?
[06:10] <thompa> so whats aiglx?
[06:10] <intelikey> timothy you submit a sujestion   !blah is your definition of blah
[06:10] <Gun_Smoke> intelikey:  I didn't find it in Synaptic
[06:10] <thompa> !aiglx
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aiglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <timothy> !cpuinfo is http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33257
[06:10] <intelikey> Gun_Smoke i typo'd that   gkrellm
[06:11] <thompa> !alglx
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <faked_> Hey, I'm trying to switch from an ethernet connection to a wireless connection, but everytime I enable the wireless driver in my network settings it just automatically disables itsself, how can I fix this problem?
[06:11] <intelikey> but i'm not sure it does temp Gun_Smoke
[06:11] <timothy> !lmsensors
[06:11] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[06:11] <timothy> gun install lmsensors it has a gui now
[06:12] <intelikey> timothy gui now.... woo whooo
[06:12] <intelikey> :)
[06:12] <intelikey> lm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[06:13] <apallo19> mmmmmm gooey
[06:13] <faked_> Hey, I'm trying to switch from an ethernet connection to a wireless connection, but everytime I enable the wireless driver in my network settings it just automatically disables itsself, how can I fix this problem?
[06:14] <intelikey> interesting     hddtemp - Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive
[06:14] <rrbiz> faked_: you're prob better off using konsole, with ifconfig
[06:14] <apallo19> is there a command or app that tells the ammount of time my machine's been running?
[06:14] <intelikey> Gun_Smoke this is what you want.    ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE
[06:15] <dr_willis> uptime
[06:15] <apallo19> is it really that simple?
[06:15] <apallo19> heh
[06:15] <intelikey> yep it's linux
[06:15] <apallo19> faked: try sudo ifdown -a
[06:15] <faked_> rrbiz: Fine with me, 'cept...I'm kinda new to linux, dunno how to use this "ifconfig"
[06:15] <D4rkly> what was the command to reconfigure x
[06:15] <apallo19> then ifup <name of the eth card>
[06:16] <apallo19> *sudo ifup
[06:16] <intelikey> D4rkly sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <pierreth> i am looking at the gateway gt4015e, how can i know it will works with linux?
[06:16] <D4rkly> is this the best way to change resolution ?
[06:17] <Gun_Smoke> intelikey:  I'd like to know what temp sensors I have, and what the temps are.
[06:17] <intelikey> D4rkly only if you cant just change them in the kcontrol
[06:18] <intelikey> Gun_Smoke yeah lm-sensor  and  ksensors    that's the ticket
[06:18] <apallo19> does ksensors depend on lm-sensor?
[06:19] <intelikey> that's what it says
[06:20] <intelikey> ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE
[06:20] <apallo19> ahh
[06:21] <intelikey> ktemperature - monitor the system temperature
[06:21] <intelikey> wmgtemp - Temperature sensor dockapp for Window Maker
[06:21] <intelikey> wmtemp - WM dock applet displaying lm_sensors temperature values
[06:23] <intelikey> here's another one
[06:23] <intelikey> xmbmon - Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (X client)
[06:23] <pierreth> is there a place to buy linux computers?
[06:23] <intelikey> Description: Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (X client)
[06:23] <intelikey>  (x)mbmon allows you to monitor hardware status using your motherboard's
[06:23] <intelikey>  sensors. This information can be: temperatures, voltages and/or fan speeds.
[06:23] <dr_willis> pierreth,  walmart.com  , Frys electroncs, Tigerdirect.com  ,  MonarchComputers.com
[06:24] <apallo19> better option would be to build your own...
[06:24] <pierreth> dr_willis: but it is hard to know if it is compatible...
[06:24] <fyyrest0rm> 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 good?
[06:24] <intelikey> yeah anything you get form some if not all of those will be rh7.1
[06:24] <dr_willis> pierreth,  Huh? if its comming with linux preinstalled.... :P whats hard to know?
[06:25] <dr_willis> I think the Linspire disrto/site has a list of sites/stores also.
[06:25] <pierreth> dr_willis: there is computer with linux preinstalled?
[06:25] <dr_willis> pierreth,  i just listed several sites that sell them :P
[06:25] <pierreth> dr_willis: whitout proprietary drivers?
[06:26] <dr_willis> walmart.com has been doing it for  2+ years now I think.
[06:26] <pierreth> cool, i didn't know
[06:26] <dr_willis> some come wth no disrto.. or pick your disrto.
[06:26] <pierreth> but not in canada i think
[06:26] <intelikey> sure.   that's not a bad idea.    buy a linux box then install linux on it     lol
[06:26] <dr_willis> in Canada there is that Sub300.com  or sub500.com site
[06:26] <dr_willis> theres getting to be a Lot of 'low end' linux machine sites out.
[06:27] <pierreth> OK
[06:28] <fyyrest0rm> adept is wanting me to upgrade my xorg to 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4. Is it safe to do so now?
[06:30] <NeoChaosX> fyyrest0rm: yes
[06:30] <intelikey> fyyrest0rm seems to be, yes
[06:30] <DigitalNinja> Anyone using superkaramba
[06:31] <dr_willis> lots of people do
[06:31] <dr_willis> :P
[06:31] <fyyrest0rm> thanks
[06:33] <fyyrest0rm> off topic: can anyone else hit worldofwarcraft.com or is it just me?
[06:34] <fdoving> fyyrest0rm: can't.
[06:34] <fyyrest0rm> fdoving: thanks
[06:34] <NeoChaosX> nope
[06:34] <fyyrest0rm> sucks..just ready to add more time and can't hit the site lol
[06:34] <intelikey> fyyrest0rm it's down.
[06:34] <fyyrest0rm> intelikey: thanks
[06:34] <intelikey> and i'm bout down tooooooo
[06:35] <spazz> How do I install w32codecs the easiest way?
[06:36] <apallo19> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[06:36] <spazz> and .. is it better to install it with automatix
[06:36] <spazz> or .. another script if i want multiple codecs
[06:36] <spazz> or ..
[06:36] <apallo19> you should get libxine-extracodecs
[06:36] <ironfroggy> does wine include d3d libraries
[06:37] <spazz> instead of w32codecs?
[06:37] <dr_willis> ironfroggy,  i hear that wine can play some Direct3d games now.  so thats a yes.,
[06:38] <faked_> Hey, I'm trying to use ifconfig to get one of my network interfaces (my wireless one) to work but I dunno the syntax to activate it. I tried $ ifconfig eth1 up, but it said "permission denied"
[06:38] <apallo19> you need to put sudo in front of that
[06:38] <ironfroggy> i just installed it with apt and installed Oblivion, which winehq.com says it can run, but it can't find the d3d DLL so im confused.
[06:38] <apallo19> sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[06:38] <faked_> Tried sudo
[06:38] <faked_> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[06:38] <faked_> that's what it returned.
[06:39] <apallo19> try sudo ifup eth2
[06:39] <apallo19> *eth1
[06:39] <faked_> ifup: interface eth1 already configured
[06:39] <spazz> I tried sudo apt-get and it said could not get lock
[06:39] <spazz> unable to lock the admin directory
[06:39] <spazz> wtf.
[06:39] <ironfroggy> spazz: have adept open?
[06:40] <spazz> ... ah. no i didnt open it, but it was in the tray
[06:40] <spazz> it starts up with kubuntu .. looks like
[06:40] <apallo19> kill adept
[06:40] <spazz> closed it
[06:40] <spazz> still doing the same thing
[06:41] <apallo19> another app locked it...
[06:41] <faked_> so what should I do now?
[06:41] <spazz> like what? how do i fix it
[06:42] <apallo19> faked: do sudo ifdown eth1
[06:42] <apallo19> then sudo ifup eth1
[06:42] <ironfroggy> what are the (if any) command line wlan facilities?
[06:42] <lnxkde> someone here have made his own desktop live/install cd?
[06:43] <ironfroggy> for example, how do i specify which network to connect to on the command line?
[06:43] <faked_> okay it keeps doing this
[06:43] <spazz> argh this wont work
[06:43] <faked_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9
[06:43] <faked_> send_packet: Network is down
[06:43] <apallo19> i dunno then,,,
[06:43] <faked_> clearly, the network is down. >_> how do I make it work?
[06:43] <faked_> oh.
[06:43] <dr_willis> lnxkde,  SLAX is very easy to customize
[06:44] <spazz> How do I fix Ktorrent ... from stalling?
[06:45] <dr_willis> spazz,  it halting at 99.99% done?
[06:45] <spazz> I've had a few do that before, but ... generally just slow speeds and stalling every 5 seconds lol
[06:45] <spazz> heard that it was common problem
[06:45] <spazz> its some setting
[06:46] <dr_willis> ktorrent takes up 99% of CPU on my system
[06:47] <dr_willis> theres a few bugs they need to iron out.
[06:47] <lnxkde> dr_willis I need something to install kubuntu with all codecs, and added IDEs and soem nice C++ and dev things plus media capabilities
[06:47] <dr_willis> it was hanging at 99% for everything - untill i closed/reopened it.. then it would finish
[06:47] <spazz> whats the best client to use?
[06:47] <dr_willis> spazz,  im using 'wine utorrent.exe' at the moment.
[06:47] <spazz> lnxkde - u and me both lol let me know what u find out the easiest way to do it
[06:47] <dr_willis> spazz,  and Thats only using like 3% cpu according to TOP
[06:47] <actinic> has the 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-core' bug been fixed?
[06:47] <spazz> yea i was using utorrent on my last install
[06:48] <spazz> just couldnt download more than like 2gb
[06:48] <dr_willis> i just keep a history of my apt-get commands. :) and write my own script
[06:48] <spazz> fat32 dont support big files
[06:48] <dr_willis> why even use fat32 any more :P
[06:48] <spazz> its wine
[06:48] <dr_willis> xp can read/write to linux partitions now :)
[06:48] <spazz> but .. thats what wine uses
[06:48] <spazz> lol
[06:48] <dr_willis> what does fat32 have to do with wine?
[06:49] <spazz> ... has to do with you not being able to save larger files with wine utorrent
[06:49] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[06:49] <dr_willis> i never had an issue.
[06:49] <spazz> because it saves it to fat32 in its wine dea.l
[06:49] <dr_willis> its saving them to my ext3 partition.
[06:49] <spazz> ... like, its documented.
[06:49] <spazz> yea.. does to my home folder
[06:49] <spazz> but .. it emulates fat32 filesystem
[06:49] <spazz> so it doesnt let u save files over like 2 or 3gb whichever one
[06:50] <spazz> apt-get not working ...
[06:50] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[06:50] <D4rkly> does anyone have the link to the composite transparency guide ?
[06:51] <dr_willis> never noticed.. seems odd that it can handle games with huge data files then. :P
[06:51] <shane> hello people
[06:51] <dr_willis> I dont think i got a single TORRENT download thats over 2gb. :)
[06:51] <spazz> .. yea, i download some iso and movies .. like svcd ect sometimes
[06:51] <spazz> that are larger than 3gb at times
[06:51] <spazz> but .. not often
[06:52] <fdoving> spazz: the fat32 limit is 4gb.
[06:52] <spazz> ... ah, 4gb.
[06:52] <spazz> ...hmm. wonder what it was i was downloading where i got an error.
[06:52] <spazz> i know it was about the file limit though.
[06:52] <spazz> ...argh apt-get broken.
[06:53] <dr_willis> Weird Al "Don't Download This Song"
[06:53] <dr_willis> :)
[06:53] <dr_willis> You must have Windows Media Plug-in installed to use this application.
[06:53] <dr_willis> Argh!
[06:53] <dr_willis> **#@&@ you Yahoo!
[06:53] <spazz> linux. broken.
[06:53] <spazz> already.
[06:54] <shane> hey I saw a shell script on kdeapps.org that supposedly installs a bunch of stuff on a fresh install of Kubuntu. The title of the app is "ANYKey Kubuntu Optimizer with Wine&XGL!" Anyone know anything about this, or if it works well or not?
[06:55] <shane> Unfrtuneately the download links are broke at the moment or I think I would have tried.
[06:56] <ketsugi> dr_willis: you want the direct download link?
[06:56] <dr_willis> spazz,  hmm..  i wouldent trust it. :P
[06:56] <dr_willis> ketsugi,  i got the song. ya got a direct link to the video? :P
[06:56] <ketsugi> ohhh
[06:56] <ketsugi> I haven't seen the video yet
[06:56] <shane> Just curious if you guys can see my messages
[06:57] <ketsugi> I didn't even know that song was actually downloadable
[06:57] <ketsugi> because in Flash for Linux, I don't see any text on the buttons
[06:57] <ketsugi> >:(
[06:57] <dr_willis> heh -  its mentioned on slashdot
[06:57] <Kevin_> hey how do i add a file to my sql database, maybe im in the wrong channel?
[06:57] <shane> Is this a help channel for Kubuntu?
[06:57] <dr_willis> weird al's myspace site has  the song for free
[06:58] <fdoving> shane: this is it.
[06:58] <dr_willis> shane,  i dont trust any of those 'auto-setstuffup-tools'
[06:58] <ketsugi> dr_willis: where's the video page?
[06:58] <dr_willis> ketsugi,  its on the yahoo music site.
[06:58] <shane> dr_willis: alright I thought I was in the wrong place.
[06:59] <shane> Well I am sitting on a fresh install. What is the first thing I should do? Update repositories?
[06:59] <dr_willis> and cant find much info on it.
[06:59] <Kevin_> !mysql
[06:59] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:59] <dr_willis> shane,  well.. theres a bug going on with the X update right now. so you may want to wait a day or 2 for that to get settled.
[07:00] <dr_willis> set up the other repos you like and perhaps apt-get update, but not sure if ya want to 'upgrade' just yet.
[07:00] <shane> dr_willis: ouch
[07:00] <dr_willis> It may be fixed by now.. but its been hectic in #ubuntu all day.  The topic mentions the X broken issue.
[07:01] <shane> dr_willis: I see. So how about I try to install Nvidia drivers? I am ~New to linux but not really.
[07:01] <ketsugi> hey dr_willis, I can't even load the page... in Firefox OR in Konqueror, i get the message saying "We don't support Macintosh". screw you, Yahoo! I'm using Linux.
[07:02] <D4rkly> does anyone have the link for enabling composite transparency ?
[07:02] <dr_willis> ketsugi,  you are evil!
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !xcomposite
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcomposite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <shane> ketsugi !!^(#&$
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !xcompmgr
[07:02] <ketsugi> what!
[07:02] <ubotu> xcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:02] <dr_willis> firefox loads the page for me.. but then when i play the video it wants me to install some wmp extension.
[07:03] <dr_willis> so *@&@ yahoo!
[07:03] <shane> ketsugi "we don't support macintosh" how lame
[07:03] <ketsugi> bugger, the only other computer I have around is a Mac Mini
[07:03] <D4rkly> there is a kubuntu guide on transparency somewhere
[07:03] <ketsugi> shane: it's doubly lame, because I'm not even using a Mac!
[07:04] <dr_willis> Heh heh
[07:04] <shane> ketsugi I can't recall the last time I visited Yahoo. I say stay away.
[07:04] <ketsugi> yeah well I want this music video :(
[07:04] <shane> Which one?
[07:05] <shane> If it is popular you might try to get a torrent.
[07:05] <shane> !nvidia
[07:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <ketsugi> shane: it just premiered a few hours ago
[07:06] <ketsugi> Weird Al Yankovic's "Don't Download This Song"
[07:07] <shane> ketsugi Tell me the name of it.
[07:07] <ketsugi> the mp3 is free for download ;p
[07:07] <shane> ok
[07:07] <dr_willis> yep Heh
[07:07] <dr_willis> Weird Al is Cool
[07:08] <dr_willis> I bet his MySpace site is getting slash-dotted like crazy
[07:08] <shane> sorry to ask again but since I cannot upgrade would installing Nvidia drivers be a good thing to do first for a fresh install?
[07:09] <dr_willis> !nvidia
[07:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:09] <dr_willis> yea ya can proberly install them fine.
[07:10] <dr_willis> Im thinking the X issue has proberly been fixd by now also.
[07:10] <shane> ketsugi: You are right the music file is up for torrent download but the vid is not.
[07:10] <dr_willis> make sure dapper-updates repo. is enabled
[07:10] <shane> dr_willis I hate to ask but how do I make sure that is enabled?
[07:11] <shane> I do not see that in my Repo list in Adept
[07:11] <ketsugi> How can I properly enable Chinese fonts in KDE? All Chinese words show up as dots. Japanese is fine, and both languages display fine in Gnome.
[07:13] <dr_willis> !repos
[07:13] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:14] <dr_willis> shane,  yea. :P spend the time reading  the various help.ubuntu.com articals . is always a good use of time! :)
[07:14] <dr_willis> I need to read more of them.
[07:19] <Kevin_> !mysql
[07:19] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:21] <shane> What is starting to suck for me is all these howto docs are so ubuntu specific you cannot follow them to a tee. There is always something that does not work.
[07:23] <shane> Hey if it says breezy in my adept package manager... that means I dont have the latest version of kubuntu right?
[07:25] <shane> I may have downloaded and installed the wrong version of Kubuntu.. laugh now please and then tell me how I find out what version I am running
[07:25] <fdoving> shane: no, breezy is not the latest. dapper is.
[07:25] <fdoving> !upgrade
[07:25] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[07:27] <shane> Dang I though i downloaded  kubuntu-6.06.1
[07:27] <trappist> shane: it's safe to upgrade to dapper, but if I were you I'd just redownload and start from scratch.
[07:29] <shane> trappist I hate myself and want to die. But you are right I think I should do that.
[07:29] <trappist> shane: don't say that!  unless you're on dialup.
[07:31] <shane> trappist its time to reboot to windows and torrent the SOB... be back to morrow with more annoying questions... grr
[07:31] <trappist> shane: you can torrent it from breezy
[07:31] <spazz> kubuntu is BROKEN
[07:31] <spazz> arrgh
[07:32] <shane> trappist might as well I guess
[07:32] <shane> trappist I like azureus though and ... I will try this one out whatever it is here.
[07:32] <trappist> shane: sudo apt-get install bittorrent; btdownloadcurses 'http://url.to/the.torrent'
[07:33] <trappist> or use your favorite client
[07:35] <tulga> hi all. I tried apt-get dist-upgrade. but "Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb  404 Not Found". howto solve it?
[07:35] <apallo19> from what i've seen, you're better off without it
[07:36] <shane> I am still wet behind the ears. I ran your  sudo apt-get install bittorrent; btdownloadcurses and got some errors... but it did install from the looks of things... question is how do I run it
[07:36] <spazz> apt-get isnt working for me
[07:36] <spazz> it wont let me use it.
[07:36] <spazz> argh.
[07:36] <apallo19> spazz, try restarting...
[07:36] <spazz> .. hmm, ill brb if it doesnt work lol.
[07:36] <spazz> ... will logging out work just as good?
[07:36] <spazz> or does it actually need a full  reboot?
[07:37] <spazz> i mean.. its basically windows lol
[07:37] <apallo19> when i get that prob, i usually do a full reboot
[07:37] <apallo19> but that could be habit from windows
[07:37] <spazz> eh alright, well ill do a full reboot.
[07:37] <spazz> ill brb though.
[07:37] <spazz> if my hdd doesnt explode, lol.
[07:39] <shane> should I get the "Desktop CD" or the "Alternate install CD"
[07:39] <apallo19> best bet is the dvd
[07:40] <a-priori> shane: unless you know you want the Alternative one, go with the "Desktop CD"
[07:41] <shane> omg i am freaking out
[07:41] <fdoving> shane: the desktop cd is a live cd with a install icon on the desktop. the alternative one, is the good old text/cursor based installer.
[07:42] <apallo19> i
[07:42] <shane> I just started the torrent and it is already going at 400kps
[07:42] <shane> kbs
[07:43] <shane> ok I am over it... just don't see that everyday
[07:44] <apallo19> it's pretty nice
[07:49] <shane> is there any way to look at or browse through hda1 if that is my windows install partition?
[07:50] <shane> dev/hda1 seems like it is locked up... I seem to remember copying files from a windows install partition before
[07:53] <shane> dang already got 64% of the CD
[07:56] <D4rkly> has anyone got the link for installing and enabling nvidia-glx drivers
[07:58] <D4rkly> ive installed the nvidia-glx drivers but they dont see to display the nvidia splash ?
[07:58] <spazz> aptget works now, but it wont find w32codecs
[07:58] <D4rkly> in xorg.cong do i replace nvidia with nv or replace nv with nvidia ?
[07:58] <spazz> how do i add it in?
[07:59] <spazz> ...
[08:00] <trappist> D4rkly: it should say nvidia.
[08:02] <fyyrest0rm> ahh..feels good to have stuff working finally :)
[08:02] <Snake[Gone] > hmm
[08:02] <Snake> Anybody intresting in here...
[08:02] <fyyrest0rm> can anyone suggest a good newsgroup client (similar to grabit for windows preferably)?
[08:03] <Snake> sorry fyyrest0rm, don't know any :(
[08:04] <Hobbsee> i'm not interesting
[08:04] <Snake> Na but I havn't seen you around for a bit :)
[08:04] <Snake> You stopped visiting #k-o
[08:05] <Hobbsee> Snake: indeed.  too many channels.  but konvi has a tree view now, which is cool
[08:05] <Snake> Hobbsee: ah I see, id check into it but those KDELibs arnt to comfy in gnome
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ouch
[08:05] <Hobbsee> traitor :P
[08:05] <Snake> Hobbsee: I wish KDE ran better on this lappy, actually
[08:05] <Tm_T> Snake: you!
[08:06] <Snake> but it drags, so here I am
[08:06] <Snake> Tm_T: me!
[08:06] <Snake> Tm_T: Dude, was it you that made the ubuntu wallpaper w/ the 3 diffrent *buntu logos as one? (Or did I ask you this and you said you wernt... LOL)
[08:08] <bs_1975> 	hello i was wondering if someone would mind helping me figure out all this linux stuff. I havent downloaded it yet still kind of confused but am very excited about finding an alternative to windows
[08:09] <bs_1975> hello is any one here
[08:10] <Martijn81> woei a new version of amarok
[08:11] <Martijn81> bs_1975: what do you wanna know?
[08:12] <bs_1975> first I would like to know if it is possible to keep my windows xp on the same pc and run edubuntu
[08:12] <Snake> Sure
[08:13] <bs_1975> second I would like to know if I could keep my itunes and divx and ac3 codec on edubuntu too
[08:14] <spazz> woo. i want to know how to get codecs working too
[08:14] <Snake> bs_1975: not sure
[08:14] <spazz> aptget wont find w32codecs
[08:14] <bs_1975> thirdly I would like to know is it possible while im learning to switch back and forth between the two os systems
[08:14] <spazz> so trying to figure out how to add repo
[08:14] <redblades> Hello.
[08:15] <fyyrest0rm> can i get the java jre through apt?
[08:15] <spazz> yea bs_1975 its called dual booting
[08:15] <redblades> I just turned on my compuer and at the loading screen which says "kubuntu" and has a progress bar, it freezes, and will go no further.
[08:15] <Martijn81> bs_1975: possible, but keep in mind that linux and the ntfs filesystem are no friends... so writing to the windows partition is a nono if it' s not fat32
[08:15] <bs_1975> how long does it take to learn linux I barely understand windows speak a little mac and just heard about linux yesterday
[08:16] <redblades> I had to use an old kernel to get here.
[08:16] <bs_1975> whats ntfs and how do I write to it
[08:16] <redblades> I'm really confused... I can't think of anything that might have changed.
[08:16] <redblades> bs_1975 it the new Windows filesystem
[08:16] <spazz> this feels like an interview hooray for the other people being inter..vi... wtf im going to shut up now
[08:17] <redblades> So, any idea's why that would be?
[08:17] <Martijn81> bs_1975: ntsf is the "nt" filesystem, you write to it when you i.e. moddify a text file and save it
[08:17] <redblades> nt == new technologies
[08:18] <bs_1975> well if I kept windows for my schooling and multimedia stuff and just used edubuntu for my daughter and to figure out this linux thing would that hurt my pc
[08:19] <bs_1975> also is downloading the os as easy as following directions or should I do some research first
[08:19] <Martijn81> bs_1975: nope that should be ok, you just need to make two partitions (sections) on the hard disk, one for the system and one for the swap
[08:19] <sakura> when I booted up Kubuntu form the CD, the Spellchecking in OpenOffice worked just fine. But when I installed Kubuntu on the HDD, spellchecking refuses to work. Can anybody help?
[08:20] <spazz> sakura:  i suggest a large hammer
[08:20] <spazz> always works for me
[08:20] <sakura> anything else?
[08:20] <Martijn81> bs_1975: and install the grub bootloader to make a dualboot, but that's part of the installation process
[08:20] <spazz> I think there is a repair option.
[08:20] <spazz> When you reboot with the install cd in.
[08:20] <spazz> maybe try doing that?
[08:20] <redblades> Hi, I'm back, and I still can't get past that screen...
[08:21] <bs_1975> ok this is where  I get a little lost I have 2 hd drives my c has 30 gb left and my fdrive has over 200gb free which one would I want to partition
[08:21] <sakura> every time i install kubuntu, I have the same problem
[08:21] <redblades> spazz? was that at me?
[08:21] <sakura> I tried installing it several times
[08:21] <spazz> ... uh, no, but maybe it might work for you too lol
[08:21] <spazz> i did it for me and it worked
[08:21] <spazz> after i broke something
[08:21] <redblades> Well, I'll rty.
[08:21] <redblades> try
[08:21] <spazz> well wait
[08:21] <sakura> i have myspell packages installed
[08:22] <spazz> im not sure if it deletes your /home/ files
[08:22] <spazz> might want to look it up
[08:22] <bs_1975> oh and my pc is compaq with amd sempron is that compatible for this installation
[08:22] <spazz> try it and find out lol
[08:22] <spazz> dont know why it wouldnt work
[08:23] <redblades> spazz, did you say it might delelte my home directory?
[08:24] <spazz> ...redblades .. umm i dunno
[08:24] <redblades> ...
[08:24] <spazz> i didnt have any personal files so i didnt check
[08:24] <spazz> i have lol, look it up
[08:24] <spazz> google it
[08:24] <spazz> what i always have to end up doing
[08:24] <redblades> I'm not in any position to...
[08:24] <spazz> you dont have a web browser?
[08:25] <redblades> I could try lynx... but not very good at it...
[08:25] <spazz> what is hard about it?
[08:25] <spazz> what are you using right now
[08:25] <spazz> ?
[08:25] <redblades> spazz: I dont have X...
[08:25] <redblades> IRC
[08:25] <spazz> you are in console?
[08:25] <redblades> BitchX
[08:25] <redblades> YEah
[08:25] <Martijn81> bs_1975: if you can work with utorrent, downloading should  be easy, otherwise you can still download de CD version with from browser.  I would choose the second drive to install on, but remember that the data gets lost while doing so... just be sure you don' t switch the drive after the installation,  the system wouldn' t find the mbr (some people intend to do so)
[08:25] <spazz> oh ... lol damn. im sorry lol. that sucks.
[08:25] <spazz> well. what did you need?
[08:26] <spazz> what is wrong with ur install? just x wont work?
[08:27] <bs_1975> do I need to move all of my files off the drive I intend to partition for the installation of edubuntu
[08:28] <redblades> spazz it starts up fine, but when X is about to jump up, it all of a sudden shows the kubuntu first boot screen and the progress bar goes nowhere...
[08:30] <spazz> eh. well do you have any personal files on there?
[08:30] <redblades> Loads.
[08:30] <redblades> Could I move them somewhere?
[08:30] <redblades> Like out of /home... ?
[08:30] <spazz> really i dont know what to tell you
[08:30] <spazz> i think you could use a live cd
[08:30] <redblades> Grr...
[08:30] <redblades> And do what?
[08:30] <spazz> and put them to external hard drive or somewhere on a network
[08:31] <spazz> i never keep personal files on anything but external hdd anymore lol ive learned lol
[08:31] <Martijn81> bs_1975: if you want to keep them you do, off course you can just shrink the partition it already has to make some space, this way you can keep the data. Though afaik the installation doesn't come with an indication of what part of the disk is used, so you might shrink it too short here. Personally i would transfer the data to the windows disk or use another sort of backup
[08:31] <spazz> they are pretty cheap
[08:32] <bs_1975> will the installation process show me how to partition and shrink and all other necessary actions needed to successfully complete the installation
[08:37] <orient2000> Hi! Did you have your kubuntu working before? Did you update xserver-xorg-core.... lately?
[08:37] <suresh> yes
[08:37] <Jucato> it should be fixed now
[08:37] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[08:38] <orient2000> you have to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 to downgrade
[08:38] <Martijn81> bs_1975: it's pretty much text based in the alternative disk, the desktop disk might have some more indications but i never used it myself so i can' t really tell
[08:39] <funThomasik> hovori tu niekto slovensky alebo cesky???
[08:39] <Jucato> the servers/mirrors should already have the fixed xserver-xorg-core package by now...
[08:40] <Martijn81> bs_1975: but the second disk is probably NTFS too right? I think you can't rezise that without windows, so you might wanna do that before getting started
[08:40] <|Digitolian|> could I please have the command to roll back  xserver-xorg-core  upgrade
[08:41] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[08:41] <orient2000> I only see update 10.3
[08:41] <D4rkly> i just copied a folder from a ntfs drive and now all files and sub-folders inside are read only how do i make them read and write ?
[08:41] <orient2000> you have to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 to downgrade
[08:41] <suresh> so basically everone here talks only about linux?
[08:42] <petriai> suresh: oi!
[08:42] <suresh> oi
[08:42] <Jucato> suresh: actually about Kubuntu support. that's what the channel is for :-D
[08:42] <suresh> where are you man?
[08:42] <suresh> oh ok. jucato
[08:42] <_Pete_> hey guys, do you know what IRCNET server one should use when connecting from Kuala Lumpur ?
[08:42] <Jucato> [AVERTISEMENT]  #kubuntu is for SUPPORT questions, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general Kubuntu, Linux, and anything else under the sky (and possibly anything above the atmosphere as well)
[08:42] <suresh> sorry man just wondering if there is anything else that goes on in here.
[08:43] <suresh> my java applet is not working.
[08:43] <suresh> i am pretty new to this.
[08:43] <Jucato> no need to apologize
[08:43] <Jucato> I was just making an advertisement :-D
[08:44] <suresh> pete
[08:44] <_Pete_> oi!
[08:44] <suresh> hahah
[08:45] <deb> Hi *
[08:45] <suresh> does one need windows be installed in order to use WINE?
[08:45] <suresh> hi
[08:46] <Jucato> Hi ~/../..
[08:46] <suresh> jucato man.
[08:46] <Jucato> ehehe
[08:47] <Jucato> suresh: no you don't need windows to be installed to use Wine
[08:47] <suresh> tq
[08:48] <thomas_> is there a way to add intellisense like function parameter help to kdevelop for the allegro library?
[08:51] <D4rkly> what is the plugin for kopete called where it puts your contacts on the desktop ?
[08:52] <suresh> #<IRCnet>
[08:57] <TomC> TommyC
[08:58] <spazz> hooray!! video playback is smooth now
[08:58] <spazz> and mp3s work
[08:58] <spazz> and utorrent wo..well i havent tried utorrent yet
[08:59] <Martijn81> suresh: nope, just wine and linux
[08:59] <TommyC> hello everyone
[08:59] <Jucato> hi
[09:00] <TommyC> Im new to ubuntu/linux, infact i just finished installing it. Can anyone give me a few first hand tips?
[09:01] <spazz> TommyC: What do you want to know, maybe I can help lol. I just figured out how to get my videos working.
[09:02] <TommyC> Lol, well pretty much whatever you know if thats not asking too much heh.
[09:02] <tomlikestorock> easyUbuntu
[09:02] <TommyC> Alot of my friends use it for server purposes, but they're not really the helpfull type.
[09:02] <spazz> yea
[09:03] <spazz> Well I'd first tell you to look at www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:03] <TommyC> Something i want to know at this very moment though, is there a more active off-topic kind of channel?
[09:03] <spazz> real helpful. you can read the community (documents) which have basic guides et up
[09:03] <spazz> eh, yea, somewhere on irc
[09:03] <spazz> havent really tried looking tho lol
[09:03] <Jucato> TommyC: there's an off-topic channel, but I'm not sure about the "active" part...
[09:03] <Jucato> [AVERTISEMENT]  #kubuntu is for SUPPORT questions, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general Kubuntu, Linux, and anything else under the sky (and possibly anything above the atmosphere as well)
[09:04] <TommyC> i found the off-topic channel but its not quite active lol
[09:04] <Jucato> yeah... I really don't understand why...
[09:04] <Jucato> (I'm there, btw...)
[09:04] <Jucato> I'm not sure if the #ubuntu-offtopic channel is more active...
[09:06] <Jucato> #kubuntu-offtopic isn't really just for off-topic talk. It's also for Kubuntu talk that doesn't fall under the "support" area. Still wondering why people barely go there, yet easily engage in non-support talk here... @_@
[09:06] <TommyC> ah
[09:08] <D4rkly> has anyone got desklist in adept ?
[09:08] <Jucato> desklist?
[09:09] <ubuntu> join scim
[09:10] <pocket> kubuntu-fr
[09:10] <pocket> sorry
[09:10] <Jucato> ^_^
[09:10] <D4rkly> desklist is a kopete plugin i used to have a repository enabled that had this on it
[09:11] <pocket> hy all
[09:11] <Jucato> D4rkly: it's not on the Ubuntu repos
[09:11] <pocket> how to play mkv file?
[09:12] <Jucato> D4rkly: a Google search yields this link: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32089
[09:12] <pocket> with mplayer it feel good but not in fullscreen
[09:12] <spazz> utorrent wont work
[09:12] <spazz> arrrgh!
[09:12] <spazz> damn linux
[09:12] <spazz> i give up
[09:13] <Jucato>  @_@
[09:13] <Bilford> whats wrong with KTorrent
[09:13] <fx> salut!
[09:14] <TommyC> i wish the internet was more linux friendly
[09:14] <Jucato> spazz: I hope you're not blaming Linux for not being able to run a program that was built for Windows...
[09:14] <Jucato> TommyC: what do you mean?
[09:14] <orient2000> get gnutella it works right away Ktorrent is so slow
[09:14] <TommyC> seems like everything you could download was made for windows
[09:14] <TommyC> and most of it was just made for windows
[09:14] <Jucato> that's not the internet's responsibility, is it? ^_^
[09:15] <TommyC> i blame bill gates, but i blame him for everything
[09:15] <Jucato> ehhehe
[09:15] <julien> I'm searching for the name of a software under Linux. It looks like Photoshop, I believed it was called "Pixel Art" but I don't find it, do you remember a soft like this ?
[09:15] <TommyC> because hes an easy target and hes way too rich for his own good
[09:15] <Bilford> where is kdf
[09:15] <Martijn81> spazz: maybe you should give ktorrent a try, it does a good job
[09:15] <Jucato> the internet is mostly Linux friendly or open source friendly. Most servers run on Linux or BSD
[09:15] <Bilford> kwikdisk isnt in the repos
[09:16] <Jucato> Bilford: kwikdisk is part of kdf. kdf is in the universe repository
[09:16] <Jucato> !kdf
[09:16] <ubotu> kdf: disk space utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 320 kB, installed size 948 kB
[09:16] <TommyC> alot of linux programs look like they'll be usefull to me when i start college again, im a chem major and i like that periodic chart program
[09:17] <spazz> Martijn81: ktorrent is worse
[09:17] <Jucato> julien: I think it's Pixel Paint?
[09:17] <spazz> thats WHY i was using utorrent
[09:17] <spazz> ktorrent likes to stall all the time
[09:17] <Bilford> Jucato, it's not in mine
[09:17] <spazz> and not finish files
[09:17] <julien> Pixel Paint !!! Well thank you
[09:17] <spazz> and have read errors and write errors
[09:17] <Jucato> Bilford: your universe repository might not be enabled
[09:17] <Martijn81> spazz: have you tried 2.0.1? What is wrong with it?
[09:18] <Bilford> Jucato, ok, I thought I enabled all of them.. I'll go look again
[09:18] <ketsugi> Where can I find a list of KDE icon names?
[09:18] <Bilford> Jucato, weird,  I enabled all of them.. now theyre not enabled
[09:18] <Bilford> oh well, that answers that
[09:18] <spazz> no, i dont have latest ktorrent.
[09:18] <Jucato> I haven't had problems with KTorrent, or at least nothing noticeable. It does stall at around 98-99% though, but I'm not bothered..
[09:19] <Jucato> @_@
[09:19] <spazz> eh i dont want something that is unreliable
[09:19] <Jucato> so you find utorrent, which doesn't want to run on Linux, even through wine, more reliable?
[09:19] <Martijn81> spazz: there is A LOT different in 2.0, you should really give it a try again
[09:19] <Bilford> Jucato, I mustve forgotten to click Apply
[09:20] <Jucato> Bilford: probably
[09:20] <spazz> How do I get swiftfox in apt-get?
[09:20] <spazz> doesnt seem to be there.
[09:20] <Jucato> I've heard some people have successfully run uTorrent through Wine
[09:20] <spazz> I .. had utorrent running good through wine on another install on a diff computer
[09:21] <spazz> but its buggy on this one
[09:21] <Bilford> KTorrent works great
[09:21] <Bilford> have you even tried KTorrent
[09:21] <spazz> Ktorrent i always hear about stalling and it did for me when i used it
[09:21] <Bilford> have you even tried KTorrent
[09:21] <Jucato> azureus would be perfect... if not for the heaviness that JVM brings...
[09:21] <spazz> guess i could try new version tho
[09:21] <Bilford> yeah, theres a new version
[09:21] <orient2000> Hey, anybody is using Gnutella?
[09:22] <Jucato> spazz: on my system, it only stalls at 99% but proceeds after a few minutes
[09:22] <spazz> .. on ALL your downloads?
[09:22] <Bilford> no
[09:22] <Jucato> spazz: no
[09:22] <Bilford> I use it all the time
[09:22] <Jucato> not on all. just soe
[09:22] <spazz> .. just some? and it takes like 3-5 min for it to finish?
[09:22] <Jucato> some*
[09:22] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:23] <spazz> apt-get says i have the newest version
[09:23] <spazz> but .. i looked in the about ktorrent box
[09:23] <spazz> said it wasnt
[09:23] <julien> Ok I found the soft: http://www.kanzelsberger.com/img/theme.png
[09:23] <spazz> ktorrent 1.2
[09:23] <Jucato> spazz: that's the newest version in the repositories
[09:24] <Jucato> but the latest version (not available in the repositories yet) is 2.0
[09:24] <Martijn81> spazz: the stalling is fixed, in fact, many bugs are fixed, 2.0 was not only a feature release
[09:25] <Jucato> julien: yep, Pixel Paint. I'm not sure if it's absolutely free, though.
[09:25] <spazz> i just downloaded the newest one from the site
[09:25] <spazz> its a .deb file
[09:25] <spazz> ... i cant install it
[09:26] <Jucato> spazz: yes you can
[09:26] <Jucato> spazz: sudo dpkg -i <.deb name>
[09:26] <julien> Nein, it costs $32 !
[09:27] <julien> It's called "Pixel Image Editor"
[09:27] <spazz> it had an error
[09:27] <spazz> like always
[09:28] <Jucato> spazz: installation error?
[09:28] <spazz> yea
[09:28] <spazz> crap
[09:28] <spazz> this is so irritating
[09:28] <spazz> lol
[09:29] <spazz> i cant paste anything in here without it flooding and .. bah i give up on it for now think im going to sleep
[09:29] <Jucato> I wouldn't be surprised if you're running into installation errors. you are installing a .deb file, something not from the repositories...
[09:29] <mindspin> Is it just me, or do other's firefoxes freeze on certain sites ?
[09:29] <Jucato> julien: oh... ehehe
[09:29] <spazz> how do i install it from the repos?
[09:29] <Jucato> spazz: you can't. at least not the 2.0 version
[09:29] <Bilford> sudo dpkg -i  name.deb
[09:29] <spazz> argh
[09:30] <Bilford> are you sure youre typing that correctly
[09:30] <Martijn81> spazz: you can't because it's not backported yet
[09:30] <spazz> i cant get utorrrent wine to close
[09:30] <spazz> wont respond
[09:30] <Jucato> and it won't be backported... coz backports are dead, for now...
[09:30] <spazz> where is that xkill app?
[09:30] <Bilford> Ctrl+Esc
[09:30] <spazz> ... so .. i just want 2.0 to work
[09:30] <Jucato> spazz: Ctrl+Alt+Esc
[09:30] <spazz> deb wont work for me
[09:30] <spazz> what does that do?
[09:30] <Jucato> xkill
[09:30] <Jucato> ??
[09:30] <spazz> oh
[09:31] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc shows the System Process Monitor
[09:31] <spazz> hooray! it works
[09:31] <spazz> magically
[09:31] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Esc is the keyboard shortcut for xkill
[09:31] <spazz> :D
[09:31] <Bilford> I never knew about Ctrl+Alt+Esc
[09:31] <spazz> it makes it a skull rofl
[09:31] <Bilford> nice skull and crossbones
[09:31] <spazz> cool
[09:31] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:31] <Bilford> spazz, all former Windows users go through that.  You try to use Wine for everything, you want everything to work like Windows
[09:31] <Jucato> spazz: did you download the KTorrent 2.0 deb specifically made for Kubuntu?
[09:32] <Bilford> but eventually, you learn that Linux > Windows
[09:32] <Bilford> and you rarely use Wine
[09:32] <Jucato> Bilford: but uTorrent does work on Wine. at least most of the time
[09:32] <D4rkly> what codecs do i need to play video clips in konq
[09:32] <Bilford> why use uTorrent
[09:32] <Bilford> KTorrent works great
[09:32] <Jucato> Bilford: cause he wants to?
[09:32] <Bilford> lol
[09:32] <Jucato> cause he likes it?
[09:32] <Bilford> thats what LInux is all about
[09:32] <Bilford> personal choice
[09:33] <spazz> Bilford: lol ive been using win 3.0 > xp and osx panther > tiger ... and like 15 diff linux distros
[09:33] <Jucato> D4rkly: you mean inside Konqueror?
[09:33] <spazz> ... and had a prob with most of them
[09:33] <spazz> i know utorrent works in wine
[09:33] <D4rkly> yep
[09:33] <spazz> just being buggy on this install for some reason
[09:33] <RawSewage> spazz, you sound like a Windows user
[09:33] <spazz> about to reboot see if that doesnt fix it
[09:33] <Jucato> D4rkly: just right-click on it and select Preview?
[09:33] <spazz> ... yea. would rather be in windows really
[09:33] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:33] <spazz> but it refuses to install on this.
[09:34] <spazz> even the factory restore cds, they give me installation errors. argh.
[09:34] <spazz> I've used Linux a lot before, just I don't know about all the new ways of getting progs through these apps and repos... but know that now..
[09:34] <Jucato> don't you get some sort of support for that spazz? I mean you did pay for it so you're entitled to something...
[09:34] <spazz> and .. command lien stuff.
[09:34] <spazz> yea but this thing is 6 years old
[09:35] <Jucato> oh
[09:35] <spazz> the lcd is dead and ...
[09:35] <spazz> its not worth the money
[09:35] <spazz> so eh.. just said hell with it .. and settled with linux
[09:35] <RawSewage> ...
[09:35] <spazz> ubuntu kept giving me problems..
[09:35] <spazz> and finally kubuntu worked alright
[09:36] <spazz> latest updates.
[09:36] <RawSewage> speaking of updates, I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu today, and one isnt working
[09:36] <spazz> linux chooses when it wants to work
[09:36] <spazz> ... much like.. stupid xp install cds.
[09:37] <Jucato> spazz: actually, it's the distro and the CD you burn that chooses that :-D
[09:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: in what way is it not working?
[09:37] <spazz> and the hdd
[09:37] <RawSewage> Im looking now
[09:37] <spazz> and microsoft and coca cola
[09:37] <spazz> and santa claus
[09:37] <Jucato> ...
[09:37] <Jucato> I wasn't joking about the distro and the CD you burn...
[09:37] <RawSewage> Jucato, xserver-xorg-core
[09:37] <spazz> lmfao i know you were
[09:37] <spazz> thats why i said that :P
[09:38] <RawSewage> It's broken.  wont update
[09:38] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[09:38] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[09:38] <RawSewage> arg
[09:38] <RawSewage> I wish I'd known that before doing a complete reinstall
[09:38] <RawSewage> I thought I broke it doing something else
[09:38] <TommyC> whats everyone doing?
[09:38] <spazz> going to sleep
[09:39] <spazz> lol
[09:39] <spazz> later everyone
[09:39] <spazz> will try fixing this later
[09:39] <TommyC> lol its 3:30am where i am
[09:39] <spazz> here too
[09:39] <Jucato> bye spazz! hope you have better luck when you wake up :-D
[09:39] <spazz> good thing i dont work tommorow lol
[09:39] <spazz> Jucato: thanks lol i will be here  to see you tommorow lol
[09:39] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:39] <TommyC> i have work, and i need to move my stuff into my dorm tommorow
[09:39] <spazz> im sure i can get linux working tho
[09:40] <spazz> i already figured out how to get my mp3s and movies (divx/xvid) to play and work smoothly
[09:40] <spazz> not dropping frames like it was on my last install
[09:40] <spazz> which im blaming on evil automatix
[09:40] <spazz> i did everything through apt-get this time
[09:40] <spazz> cept new ktorrent wont work
[09:40] <RawSewage> !ms fonts
[09:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ms fonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:41] <spazz> and utorrent not working
[09:41] <RawSewage> !fonts
[09:41] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[09:41] <spazz> argh
[09:41] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[09:41] <Hobbsee> !msttcorefonts
[09:41] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:41] <RawSewage> Hobbsee, ty
[09:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:41] <James_Cox> Hey all
[09:41] <Jucato> whoa! Hobbsee's there...
[09:41] <James_Cox> i have a problem wiht my kubuntu not booting
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:41] <Jucato> ^_^
[09:41] <spazz> This .deb refuses to install.
[09:41] <spazz> what to do...
[09:42] <RawSewage> I installed the latest KTOrrent .deb yesterday
[09:42] <Jucato> spazz: I thought you were going to sleep? ehehe
[09:42] <TommyC> hey guys im constantly getting an xml in firefox, can anyone help me
[09:42] <spazz> well now i want it to work lol
[09:42] <Martijn81> spazz: paste it in paste-bin just like anyone else does
[09:42] <Jucato> spazz: you could probably start by explaining how it "refuses to install"
[09:42] <RawSewage> are you typing this correctly.  pay attention:   sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[09:42] <Jucato> TommyC: what XML?
[09:42] <James_Cox> it goes through and loads the drivers with the kubuntu logo showing, then the screen goes black and it hangs, i ctl+alt+f1 and logged in that way, but when i went to startx it gives me a fatel error
[09:42] <RawSewage> are you sure youre even in the right folder
[09:42] <Martijn81> spazz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:42] <James_Cox> anything further is beyond my knowledge
[09:43] <Jucato> James_Cox: read what I'm going to post
[09:43] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[09:43] <TommyC> jucato: everytime i try to download something (at the moment java) it gives me an xml error
[09:43] <James_Cox> jucato: shall give it a go now
[09:43] <James_Cox> cheers
[09:44] <Jucato> TommyC: you're trying to download Java?
[09:44] <TommyC> Jucato: yes
[09:44] <onTecHno> hi! why does ntfsmount open new processes continuesly after tping sudo ntfsmount --help and doesn't react?
[09:44] <spazz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21448
[09:44] <Jucato> !java > TommyC
[09:45] <Jucato> TommyC: I'm not sure about the XML error, but installing Java is done differently
[09:45] <Jucato> spazz: have you tried removing the older KTorrent first?
[09:46] <spazz> no...
[09:46] <Jucato>  ^_^
[09:46] <spazz> thought it took care of all of that.
[09:46] <spazz> ..thought linux was the shit
[09:46] <spazz> lol
[09:46] <spazz> but its a lot of work
[09:46] <Jucato> only if you're installing through apt
[09:46] <James_Cox> jucato: its come back and said it cant find xserver-org-core
[09:46] <spazz> how do i remove it?
[09:46] <fyyrest0rm> ok..a little more help if someone doesn't mind? lol. I'm having no trouble at all using network shares that are on win machines, but when i try to access a kubuntu share from a win machine it keeps wanting a username/pw?
[09:46] <Jucato> James_Cox: xserver-xorg-core, you forgot an x in the xorg
[09:46] <James_Cox> ahh
[09:47] <Jucato> spazz: either using Adept or apt-get. if using apt-get "sudo apt-get remove ktorrent"
[09:47] <James_Cox> lol
[09:47] <James_Cox> jucato: it's downgrading now
[09:47] <Jucato> ^_^
[09:47] <onTecHno> anyone an idea why ntfsmount hangs up while creating processes continuesly?
[09:47] <spazz> i still get the same error
[09:47] <spazz> after i removed it
[09:47] <spazz> and tried the deb again
[09:48] <Jucato> hmm
[09:48] <spazz> err well wait
[09:48] <spazz> its a different one
[09:48] <Jucato> ehehe pastebin again...
[09:48] <James_Cox> jucato: and reboot when done
[09:48] <TommyC> jucato: im looking on the add/remove for sunjava but i cant find it and i did a search and they couldnt find it
[09:48] <Martijn81> spazz: and you' re installing a previous version, there is 2.0.1 al.lready
[09:48] <spazz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21451
[09:49] <spazz> what?
[09:49] <spazz> i dunno i just want the latest version
[09:49] <Jucato> Martijn81: I think the latest stable is still 2.0?
[09:49] <spazz> i have that deb
[09:49] <Jucato> TommyC: don't use Add/Remove...
[09:49] <spazz> it wont install tho
[09:49] <Jucato> hm....
[09:49] <Jucato> spazz: that seems to be a common error...
[09:50] <Jucato> hold on a sec while I think of a way...
[09:50] <spazz> hmm
[09:50] <spazz> k
[09:50] <Martijn81> Jucato: no 2.0.1 has some bugfixes: http://ktorrent.org/downloads/2.0.1/ktorrent_2.0.1-1_i386.deb
[09:50] <TommyC> jucato: im going to try using konsole
[09:51] <Jucato> TommyC: yes. "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[09:51] <spazz> i think im going to call it a night
[09:51] <spazz> again
[09:51] <Jucato> spazz: try this: "sudo mv /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop ~/" that should move the .desktop file to your home directory
[09:51] <spazz> this isnt going to work  tonite
[09:51] <spazz> ... eh alright
[09:52] <Jucato> Martijn81: I see
[09:52] <spazz> sstill gives me same error
[09:52] <spazz> Well, I will reboot and try in the morning
[09:52] <spazz> if it doesnt work then ill mess with it later
[09:52] <spazz> but night everyone
[09:53] <Jucato> spazz: try deleting it in the mrorning
[09:53] <Jucato> morning*
[09:53] <Jucato> the x-bittorrent.desktop file, I mean
[09:53] <Martijn81> spazz: it's because the file in kdelibs is different, you can just force this
[09:54] <TommyC> jucato: it let me type the sudo apt-get thing, but now it tells me to enter my password and it wont let me type it
[09:54] <Jucato> TommyC: you really won't see the letters that you are typing. but it's typing. try it
[09:54] <TommyC> oh ok
[09:54] <fyyrest0rm> anyone care to help with a small samba issue?
[09:55] <Martijn81> spazz: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install ktorrent_2.0*
[09:55] <TommyC> jucato: it says "could'nt find package sun-java5-bin
[09:55] <Jucato> or "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite <.deb _file>" right?
[09:55] <Jucato> TommyC: hold on a sec
[09:55] <TommyC> jucato: ok
[09:56] <spazz> Jucato:  that MIGHT have worked
[09:56] <onTecHno> hi! why does ntfsmount open new processes continuesly after tping sudo ntfsmount --help and doesn't react?
[09:56] <Martijn81> Jucato: i believe so yes
[09:56] <spazz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21452
[09:57] <spazz> Hooray.
[09:57] <spazz> I just opened it.
[09:57] <Jucato> TommyC: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu and go to the part about adding Universe and Multiverse
[09:57] <spazz> Says Ktorrent 2.0
[09:57] <spazz> now i can sleep easy lol
[09:57] <draik> TommyC, type 'sudo apt-cache search sun'
[09:57] <Jucato> TommyC: then after that, in Konsole (do this in Konsole only) type in "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin"
[09:57] <draik> TommyC, type 'sudo apt-cache search java'
[09:58] <draik> sorry
[09:58] <Jucato> he won't have them if multiverse isn't enabled...
[09:58] <Jucato> spazz: ehehe! all thanks to Martijn81
[09:58] <halfbloodprince> Hey, people
[09:58] <spazz> yeah thanks both of u
[09:58] <spazz> lol
[09:58] <spazz> lol
[09:58] <Jucato> hi Severus Snape
[09:58] <halfbloodprince> heh
[09:58] <James_Cox> jucato: brilliant jacato, worked a treat
[09:58] <James_Cox> cheers
[09:59] <Jucato> ^_^
[09:59] <halfbloodprince> Well, I'm here 'coz I was interested in installing Kubuntu on my machine.. I want to dual boot with Windows
[09:59] <pc> Hi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.
[09:59] <TommyC> jucato: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[09:59] <TommyC> right?
[09:59] <Jucato> TommyC: yep.
[09:59] <TommyC> it says it couldnt find package
[10:00] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:00] <halfbloodprince> Thing is, I'm a graphic designer, and I use Photoshop and Illustrator extensively
[10:00] <TommyC> and i did the search thing first
[10:00] <Martijn81> spazz: remember that a dist-upgrade might need you to remove ktorrent because of the force, this is not bad, just remember to not start ktorrent before you reinstalled it
[10:00] <Jucato> TommyC: did you enable multiverse like the web page I linked to said?
[10:00] <RawSewage> I just installed the new KTorrent
[10:00] <RawSewage> no errors at all
[10:00] <halfbloodprince> And I've tried Gimp and Inkscape, and I didn't find then to be as good as Adobe applications
[10:00] <TommyC> jucato: Umm? I didnt see anything about enabling multiverse
[10:00] <spazz> I dont undestand what you mean by that.
[10:01] <Jucato> "TommyC: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu and go to the part about adding Universe and Multiverse"
[10:01] <TommyC> jucato: ok
[10:01] <RawSewage> thats weird
[10:02] <RawSewage> What happened to the KTorrent plugin that watches a folder for torrents
[10:02] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Can you help me out?
[10:02] <pc> Hi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.
[10:02] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: I'm not sure if Photoshop CS runs in Wine...
[10:03] <Martijn81> spazz: some package might break because they use the same file, but now this file is another file
[10:03] <spazz> oh
[10:03] <spazz> so how do i prevent it from breaking?
[10:03] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Does that mean that I shouldn't use Kubuntu?
[10:03] <spazz> hooray ktorrent already stalling
[10:03] <spazz> like crazy
[10:03] <spazz> i think it wil never work lol
[10:04] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: that depends on you, really. But you should try if Photoshop will run in Wine
[10:05] <spazz> well later
[10:05] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Hmmm... I've used Suse Linux 10 before.. and it worked fine.. I mostly didn't like it because of incorrect rendering of Truetype fonts.. but I think that can be sorted out..
[10:05] <orient2000> where can I get wine?
[10:05] <Jucato> !wine
[10:05] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:05] <Jucato> !info wine
[10:05] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[10:05] <halfbloodprince> orient2000: in your local wine shop :p
[10:05] <orient2000> thanks
[10:06] <halfbloodprince> as you can see, i'm not very funny
[10:06] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:06] <orient2000> that would be on a weekend I like australian wine ubuntu
[10:06] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Does Kubuntu render Truetype fonts correctly? As good as, say, Windows?
[10:07] <TommyC> jucato: Im confused, im using ubuntu not kubuntu
[10:07] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: I wouldn't know... I can barely detect differences in fonts...
[10:07] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Alright..
[10:07] <Jucato> TommyC: huh? you are in #kubuntu... so I presumed you were using Kubuntu
[10:07] <TommyC> when i started this up it put me here
[10:08] <Jucato> TommyC: started up what?
[10:08] <TommyC> kaffine
[10:08] <Jucato> err.. Kaffeine is a video player...
[10:08] <Martijn81> spazz: you can' t
[10:08] <TommyC> i mean knversation, i think
[10:08] <Bilford> Note to Kubuntu Developers:  Make default Session setting to be:  Start with an empty session
[10:08] <Jucato> TommyC: then you're using Kubuntu
[10:08] <TommyC> jucato: whatever this chat program is, when i started it up it put me here
[10:09] <TommyC> it says ubuntu on the cd and cd cover
[10:09] <fyyrest0rm> anyone care to help with a small samba issue?
[10:09] <TommyC> and on the loading screen
[10:09] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:09] <TommyC> i got konversaion from add/remove
[10:09] <Jucato> aaaah
[10:09] <Martijn81> spazz: but if it does, you may want to try and remove the package temporary (only not run an older ktorrent on the same profile in ~/.kde)
[10:09] <Jucato> ok then follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[10:10] <Jucato> RawSewage:  the default session that Kubuntu uses has some loaded stuff, probably that's why it doesn't start with an empty session by default
[10:10] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont think it's worth it
[10:10] <RawSewage> new users gather too much garbage
[10:11] <RawSewage> running apps
[10:11] <RawSewage> slowing everything down
[10:11] <Jucato> Well, they can always switch to starting with an empty session. It's easier for them to do that than to initially figure out how to make KMix and Katapult start upon login
[10:12] <pc> Hi how i can connect to a lan with windows servers? I need to view an asp file with the http explorer.
[10:12] <RawSewage> Jucato, a better solution would be for it to :  Restore Manually Saved Session
[10:13] <Jucato> RawSewage: which would make sense if they would know how to manually save a session, plus that they would have to save a session everytime they want to restore the session...
[10:13] <TommyC> jucato: Thanks alot, its working great now.
[10:13] <Jucato> besides, it's not only Kubuntu. IIRC, other distros, default to saving and restoring previous sessions
[10:14] <RawSewage> Jucato, no, it would load the Kubuntu Team's manually saved session
[10:15] <Hobbsee> RawSewage: i think so too.
[10:15] <Jucato> RawSewage: but then if they end a session, they would expect, more or less, that the session will be saved and restored
[10:15] <Hobbsee> it's currently set to restore current sessino
[10:15] <RawSewage> it just collects too much baggage over time
[10:15] <RawSewage> thats my opinion, anyway
[10:16] <Jucato> It would probably be good if the other distros didn't default to restore current session. But I'm not sure if it's a Linux trend...
[10:16] <RawSewage> runaway processes never die
[10:16] <fyyrest0rm> kubuntu + samba + windows network = Don't have permission to view kubuntu share..anyone?
[10:17] <arepie> yesterday, after i install xpdf, my computer stuck, and after restart the computer, hangs before loading the desktop.
[10:17] <Jucato> RawSewage: I think a better alternative would be to have an checkbox asking if you want to save the current session in the logout dialog box...
[10:17] <Jucato> arepie: did you upgrade before that?
[10:17] <RawSewage> that would be annoying
[10:17] <Jucato> RawSewage: how come?
[10:18] <Jucato> it's just a checkbox. not a popup
[10:18] <RawSewage> I think 'Restore Manually Saved Session' is the best solution,
[10:18] <RawSewage> which loads the Kubuntu Teams saved session
[10:18] <RawSewage> the user can change that later if they want
[10:18] <RawSewage> I dont want an annoying popup every time I log off
[10:18] <Jucato> RawSewage: I said it was a checkbox, NOT a popup...
[10:19] <RawSewage> ok
[10:19] <RawSewage> but in any case
[10:19] <arepie> Jucato yes i did update..
[10:19] <RawSewage> the current default is a bad idea
[10:19] <Jucato> a checkbox IN the logout dialog box. the one that displays when you click on Log Out
[10:19] <RawSewage> imo
[10:19] <Jucato> arepie read this:
[10:19] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[10:20] <nnn0> the checkbox should be in the login screen "continue from last?"
[10:20] <arepie> the problem is, i already reformat again.. and what should i use to read .pdf file?? i can't read some of my pdf file with kpdf..
[10:21] <Jucato> nnn0: that would presume that the previous session was saved
[10:21] <nnn0> yes it should always be saved
[10:21] <nnn0> :D
[10:21] <Jucato> arepie: you can try xpdf again. or KGhostScript
[10:21] <Jucato> @_@
[10:22] <arepie> !xpdf
[10:22] <ubotu> xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.01-7build1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB
[10:22] <nnn0> just like in the firefox session saver :)
[10:22] <Jucato> nnn0: but even firefox does not have that behavior by default
[10:22] <nnn0> true
[10:22] <Jucato> RawSewage's idea might be worth a shot. the only problem will be trying to avoid confusion
[10:22] <nnn0> but it should :D
[10:22] <orient2000> I have already wino on kubuntu but I can not find it
[10:23] <orient2000> wine
[10:23] <Jucato> orient2000: you won't find it in the K Menu, that's for sure
[10:23] <RawSewage> Jucato, it was your idea.  I just didnt think the default should be Restore Prev SEssion
[10:23] <Jucato> RawSewage: I was talking about your idea of not restoring the previous session
[10:23] <RawSewage> oh
[10:24] <orient2000> where is it then  how to run it?
[10:24] <Jucato> orient2000: you run wine in the command line by doing something like "wine <.exe file>" of course you either have to be in the directory where the .exe file is
[10:24] <Jucato> or know the complete path/address to that .exe file
[10:25] <Jucato> like "wine /path/path/path/program.exe"
[10:25] <orient2000> in console?
[10:25] <Jucato> orient2000: yep
[10:25] <orient2000> thanks
[10:25] <Jucato> You could also probably right-click on the .exe file in Konqueror and choose "Open With" and type in wine
[10:25] <Jucato> but that has problems with Multiple install CD's
[10:26] <fyyrest0rm> can someone please help me with a small samba problem?
[10:26] <Jucato> I guess the samba experts are out...
[10:28] <Jucato> would anyone know how I could burn a .WMV file to VCD format?
[10:29] <RawSewage> ew
[10:29] <RawSewage> www.videohelp.com
[10:29] <Jucato> thanks. I don't know why my relatives seem to like sending their videos as WMV...
[10:30] <RawSewage> Windows Movie Maker
[10:30] <Jucato> ooh...
[10:30] <Jucato> I forgot about that one...
[10:30] <pielgrzym> hello everybody :)
[10:31] <pielgrzym> quick question - there's that new X update availible - I've heard rumours that it's causes more trouble than good?
[10:31] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[10:31] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[10:31] <Jucato> ^_^
[10:32] <orient2000> get 10.4 by adept it is there
[10:32] <pielgrzym> thanks :)
[10:32] <Jucato> orient2000: that will depend on which server/mirror he/she is using
[10:32] <Jucato> but by now, all servers/mirrors should already be updated
[10:32] <pielgrzym> I can install 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 so it should be ok :)
[10:33] <arepie> does xpdf support 64bit ?
[10:33] <orient2000> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main                    new repositories to add in adept to get 10.4
[10:34] <Jucato> I think he said 10.4 is already there
[10:34] <thor> jaffa
[10:34] <arepie> orient2000: i got error
[10:35] <orient2000> well I did not reboot yet
[10:35] <Jucato> arepie: what error? for xpdf?
[10:35] <thor> time
[10:36] <arepie> no.. for the adept to get 10.4 the reps
[10:36] <RawSewage> !konqueror default
[10:36] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1911 kB, installed size 5168 kB
[10:36] <Jucato> arepie: you don't need to add that repository if the serves are updated already
[10:36] <RawSewage> I dont think it's  necessary to make a dumbed down version of Konqueror
[10:37] <arepie> i see..
[10:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: I don't think they have plans to
[10:37] <Jucato> or I'll kill them
[10:37] <RawSewage> Jucato, it already is
[10:37] <Jucato> ??
[10:37] <RawSewage> yes, it's true
[10:37] <Jucato> please explain?
[10:37] <RawSewage> youre using a version of Konqueror that has many features removed
[10:37] <Jucato> for example?
[10:37] <RawSewage> they can be restored easily enough
[10:37] <RawSewage> I just have to find the folder
[10:37] <RawSewage> well
[10:38] <Jucato> RawSewage: that's not about "dumbing down" Konqueror
[10:38] <RawSewage> being able to save setting for each folder, for one
[10:38] <arepie> wish me luck installisng xpdf..
[10:38] <D4rkly> has anyone got the guide for enabling transparency on windows
[10:38] <RawSewage> the Go button
[10:38] <RawSewage> and many other things
[10:38] <Jucato> it's about Profiles and distro defaults
[10:38] <Jucato> "dumbing down" is when you actually remove the feature permanently.
[10:38] <RawSewage> ok
[10:39] <Jucato> every distro chooses their own defaults. But the difficult thing about defaults is that it's bound to displease somebody
[10:39] <D4rkly> mplayer plugin in firefox has sound but no video ?
[10:39] <RawSewage> Jucato, do you know what folder that file is in
[10:40] <D4rkly>  how do i install the w32 codecs ?
[10:40] <RawSewage> !w32 codecs
[10:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:41] <Jucato> RawSewage: you have to add the entry in the ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc file. It's an XML file
[10:42] <RawSewage> I think thats the wrong folder
[10:42] <Jucato> ??
[10:42] <RawSewage> I remember from last time, it was already there
[10:43] <RawSewage> I just had to rename the backup
[10:43] <Jucato> hold on a sec
[10:43] <RawSewage> oh wait
[10:43] <RawSewage> I had Hidden Files on
[10:43] <Jucato> I gave you that path because that's for user-only settings.
[10:43] <RawSewage> it was in another folder
[10:44] <RawSewage> outside home
[10:44] <Jucato> I think you were looking for this: /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc
[10:44] <RawSewage> ty
[10:44] <Jucato> that's the original config. /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc is the one being used
[10:45] <RawSewage> yeah
[10:45] <RawSewage> restart
[10:50] <RawSewage> ok, to restore original settings for Konq, you do these 2 lines as USER, NOT SUDO
[10:50] <RawSewage> cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[10:50] <RawSewage> cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/* ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[10:50] <RawSewage> I remember messing it up last time doing it with sudo
[10:51] <D4rkly> !dvd
[10:51] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:52] <nagyv> hello! yesterday I have upgraded the xorg package, but now X doesn't start. What could I do? (now I am in recovery mode, and I feel myself a bit lost)
[10:53] <orient2000> how did you get here from recovery mode?
[10:54] <nagyv> I ahve installed the sirc package
[10:54] <nagyv> should I reconfigure X? or something?
[10:55] <nagyv> Jucato, yesterday you were writing about the xorg package. I have it updated, but now X doesn't start. Could you help me, pls.
[10:56] <orient2000> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 and then reboot
[10:57] <nagyv> orinent2000, thx, hope to see you from the X next time :)
[10:57] <orient2000> you will for sure
[11:06] <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:16]  <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[11:06] <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[11:11] <eeos> RawSewage yes, I did realise yesterday after the laptop froze
[11:16] <RawSewage> eeos, I didnt.  I did a total reinstall, reformat
[11:17] <eeos> RawSewage  ach! I went back, started in text mode, set the right xservercore
[11:17] <ketsugi> Gah, why is that that Konqueror doesn't set the pwd for servicemenu scripts properly?
[11:17] <RawSewage> my hard drive needed a defrag anyway
[11:17] <eeos> RawSewage I am really sorry, but the idea of making available a dangerours package is at least peculiar
[11:18] <DeBert> Is it me, or is Konqueror's javascript support really buggy?
[11:18] <RawSewage> !unrar
[11:18] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[11:19] <RawSewage> whats the name of the unrar-nonfree package
[11:19] <RawSewage> or rar non-free
[11:19] <RawSewage> nm
[11:19] <RawSewage> !mp3
[11:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:20] <orient2000> I started sirc in a recovery mode but do not know how to use it. Does anybody know this program?
[11:20] <RawSewage> E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate
[11:21] <RawSewage> wtf
[11:21] <RawSewage> oh
[11:22] <RawSewage> it's just plain unrar
[11:23] <Healot> !info unrar-nonfree
[11:23] <ubotu> Package unrar-nonfree does not exist in dapper
[11:23] <Healot> !info unrar
[11:23] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[11:23] <Healot> !info unrar-free
[11:23] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[11:24] <xmco> try
[11:36] <nalpha> i want to edit PDF file what software can do it???
[11:36] <orient2000> test
[11:37] <pieter_> hello
[11:37] <pieter_> can someone help me with my xserver?
[11:37] <pieter_> it's not workig...
[11:37] <orient2000> test
[11:38] <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:16]  <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[11:38] <RawSewage> [09:06]  <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[11:38] <nagyv> hello! how can I define a new protocol? I would like to use Skype whenever I click on a callto:// link. How can I do this in KDE?
[11:39] <orient2000> got 10.4 with adept with errors, rebooted and is ok. there is a time and a date at log in
[11:40] <pieter_> RawSewage: thanks
[11:40] <RawSewage> ok
[11:40] <nagyv> hello orient2000. now I am using X! thx :)
[11:40] <waylandbill> nagyv: kio plugin of some sort.
[11:40] <pieter_> i upgraded yestarday
[11:40] <pieter_> RawSewage: not working
[11:40] <pieter_> downgraded but...
[11:41] <orient2000> I can see that. I tried sirc but do not know the comments
[11:41] <waylandbill> does anyone know if a Rage Mobility M3 supports 3d accel?
[11:41] <RawSewage> pieter_, I dont know anything about that
[11:41] <RawSewage> I did a total reformat/reinstall  lol
[11:42] <pieter_> RawSewage: something with freefontpath
[11:45] <pieter_> sudo apt-get remove xorg
[11:45] <pieter_> ?
[11:45] <pierre_> hi
[11:45] <pierre_> I've a pb : my kubuntu dapper can't start
[11:45] <pieter_> my x can't start
[11:46] <macdo> pierre: [11:38]  <RawSewage> [09:06]  <RawSewage> [Wed Aug 23 2006]  [08:31:18]  <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-
[11:46] <RawSewage> lol
[11:47] <pierre_> ok thanks
[11:47] <macdo> How did I guess?
[11:47] <orient2000> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[11:47] <pieter_> if i start my pc, it shws the login screen
[11:47] <macdo> pierre_: pas de probleme
[11:48] <pieter_> when i log in, it shows me the login screen again
[11:48] <RawSewage> what a mess
[11:48] <pieter_> when i do startx, x server starts for 1 second
[11:49] <RawSewage> this update is terrible for K/Ubuntu
[11:49] <orient2000> are you in a recovery mode?
[11:49] <RawSewage> making everyone's computer useless
[11:49] <macdo> yeah
[11:49] <orient2000> restart in a recovery mode, log in and type sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[11:50] <orient2000> then ctr alt del and ready
[11:50] <macdo> I was lucky - my laptop was on and connected when i rebooted the desktop after upgrade...
[11:50] <macdo> so it took about 10 secs to deal with the prob
[11:51] <pieter_> k, someone with a solution for me?
[11:51] <Tm_T> Snake[Sleep] : that was me yes
[11:52] <orient2000> read mu messages pieter
[11:52] <orient2000> my messages
[11:52] <pieter_> not working
[11:52] <pieter_> it is not the update that gies problems
[11:52] <orient2000> did you start in a recovery mode?
[11:52] <pieter_> not yet
[11:52] <pieter_> wait
[11:52] <pieter_> brb
[11:53] <pierre_> ctrl+alt+del start X ?
[11:53] <orient2000> ctrl alt f1   log in sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10 reboot
[11:54] <root___> ok
[11:54] <pieter_> i'm in recovery mode
[11:54] <pieter_> now?
[11:54] <orient2000> type sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[11:54] <pieter_> ok
[11:56] <pierre_> thank you orient2000 and macdo, now it's ok
[11:56] <pieter_> ............ is already the newest version
[11:56] <pieter_> what now?
[11:56] <orient2000> wow make sure next version to upgrade is 10.4
[11:57] <pieter_> okay
[11:57] <pieter_> quit
[11:57] <pierre_> bye
[11:57] <orient2000> bye
[11:57] <macdo> seeya
[11:58] <ahriman2k> Hi @ all. I've a problem with my Adept manager. When i want to update there stands: "waiting for headers 0%" all the time
[11:59] <pieter_> ok
[11:59] <pieter_> now?
[11:59] <pieter_> reboot?
[11:59] <orient2000> ctr alt del
[11:59] <Jucato> ??
[11:59] <Mehercle> ok
[12:00] <Jucato> isn't it ctrl+alt+backspace?
[12:00] <elden> ctrl+alt+backspace for restarting X
[12:00] <pielgrzym> hello :)
[12:00] <pielgrzym> I've got a simple guestion
[12:01] <pielgrzym> I want to have the compiz only for the expose feature - will it run smoothly on radeon 9200?
[12:01] <orient2000> pytaj
[12:01] <pielgrzym> o :)
[12:01] <elden> maybe
[12:01] <orient2000> no idea
[12:01] <pielgrzym> kurcze :)
[12:01] <pielgrzym> installing compiz takes a while?
[12:01] <elden> i have an ati card here, it doesn't run compiz at all
[12:01] <Jucato> pielgrzym: you could try Kompose for a simple Expose-like feature
[12:02] <pielgrzym> Jucato: cool :) it's in normal repositories?
[12:02] <Jucato> !kompose
[12:02] <ubotu> kompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB
[12:02] <Jucato> it's  in universe
[12:02] <pieter_> not working
[12:03] <Jucato> pieter_: what is not working?
[12:03] <pielgrzym> I'lll check it out :) thanks
[12:03] <pieter_> x
[12:03] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[12:03] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[12:03] <pieter_> nooo
[12:03] <pieter_> not the update
[12:03] <pieter_> something else
[12:03] <Jucato> sorry bout that.heheeh
[12:03] <Jucato> trigger happy...
[12:03] <Jucato> rather, "alias" happy...
[12:03] <orient2000> did computer shut down and restarted in a regular mode?
[12:03] <pieter_> yes
[12:04] <orient2000> if you did xorg-core   10 it shoul work
[12:04] <pieter_> no
[12:05] <pieter_> it is not working
[12:05] <Jucato> I thought it wasn't about the upgrade...
[12:05] <pieter_> it is no the update
[12:05] <pieter_> i told you
[12:05] <orient2000> what did you do before this problem?
[12:06] <pielgrzym> this kompose is cool :) a bit slow but very functional :) thanks
[12:06] <pieter_> nothing
[12:06] <pieter_> firefox, kopete and konversation
[12:06] <orient2000> any installations?
[12:07] <pieter_> yes, but i lost the name
[12:07] <pieter_> wait
[12:07] <pieter_> mabe i can get it
[12:07] <orient2000> any changes in a setup?
[12:07] <pieter_> nope
[12:07] <pieter_> not at all
[12:08] <orient2000> you must come back tomorrow for a good guys  I do not know that much to help you, sorry
[12:09] <Jucato> pieter_: I just came in a few minutes ago. what seems to be the problem?
[12:09] <pieter_> i boot my computer, see the login screen, enter my pass, hit <enter> and....
[12:10] <pieter_> i see : The Login Screen (again)
[12:10] <synaptics> hello, how do i install unrar?
[12:10] <pieter_> i can't start x
[12:10] <Healot> apt-get install unrar-free
[12:11] <Healot> !info unrar-free
[12:11] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[12:11] <Jucato> or unrar (previously known as unrar-nonfree)
[12:11] <Jucato> !unrar
[12:11] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:11] <Healot> btw, enable the universe section of your dapper repos
[12:11] <Jucato> pieter_: that seems more than just a simple X problem...
[12:11] <pieter_> Jucato: possible
[12:12] <pieter_> Jucato: any ideas?
[12:12] <Jucato> pieter_: fress install of Kubuntu? or have you done some changes in settings, customizations, etc?
[12:12] <pieter_> no
[12:12] <pieter_> nothing
[12:12] <pieter_> :-s
[12:12] <pieter_> very strange
[12:12] <Jucato> but it's not a new install?
[12:13] <pieter_> no
[12:13] <Jucato> hmm
[12:13] <pieter_> is there a textmode brower?
[12:13] <Jucato> web browser?
[12:13] <pieter_> yes
[12:13] <orient2000> bad tracs on HD?
[12:13] <Jucato> w3c I think?
[12:14] <Jucato> err.. no not that...
[12:14] <pieter_> orient2000: i don't think so
[12:14] <macdo> pieter_: lynx
[12:14] <Jucato> w3m I mean. but I don't know how to use it
[12:15] <Jucato> pieter_: before this happened, what were you doing? did you shutdown or log off properly?
[12:15] <pieter_> yes
[12:15] <pieter_> i clicked : "end current session"
[12:16] <Jucato> pieter_: My only guess is that there was something in the previous session that's causing a problem when you're trying to log in...
[12:16] <pieter_> how can i check that?
[12:17] <Jucato> me going to check...
[12:17] <waylandbill> pieter_: elinks is a good one, Better than lynx if you want https support
[12:17] <michael__> x problems?
[12:17] <michael__> again?
[12:17] <Jucato> michael__: no
[12:17] <michael__> oh
[12:17] <Jucato> does anyone know which config file to edit to make KDE start with an empty session?
[12:18] <synaptics> /topic
[12:18] <pieter_> no
[12:18] <pieter_> i've tried xfce
[12:18] <pieter_> same problem
[12:18] <synaptics> hmm which one Healot ?
[12:18] <Jucato> pieter_: you can't log into Xfce too?
[12:18] <Healot> !universe
[12:18] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:18] <Healot> !easysource
[12:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:19] <pieter_> i can't login to kde, xfce, and all the others
[12:19] <Jucato> hmmm
[12:20] <D4rkly> how can i play .mov's
[12:20] <Jucato> D4rkly: install the w32codecs?
[12:20] <waylandbill> Jucato: ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc I think
[12:20] <Healot> !find quicktime
[12:20] <ubotu> Found: libquicktime-dev, libquicktime0, quicktime-utils, quicktime-x11utils
[12:21] <Jucato> I have none of those installed, but I can play .mov...
[12:21] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[12:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:21] <waylandbill> Jucato: scratch that ... it's ~/.kde/share/config/session
[12:22] <Jucato> waylandbill: thanks. but it seems that it wasn't pieter_'s proble after all... for some reason, he just can't login to anything at all...
[12:22] <pieter_> only text-mode
[12:22] <pieter_> no X
[12:22] <pieter_> X
[12:23] <Jucato> pieter_: you can login in text mode?
[12:23] <pieter_> yes
[12:23] <waylandbill> pieter_: you get the greeter and can't go past that?
[12:23] <pieter_> I am in textmode now
[12:23] <pieter_> yes
[12:23] <Jucato> pieter_: try typing "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[12:23] <Jucato> if you get thrown out to text mode again, you will probably see some errors
[12:24] <waylandbill> probably dumb question, but you selected a valid desktop session to use?
[12:24] <Jucato> he says that no matter which session (KDE, Xfce, etc), he can't
[12:24] <waylandbill> :-/
[12:25] <pieter_> kdm restart ==> no result
[12:25] <Jucato> pieter_: does it throw you back to the command line?
[12:25] <pieter_> no, back to the login screen
[12:25] <pieter_> after a few seconds
[12:26] <waylandbill> what about a fail safe session... should be able to at least get an xterm or something
[12:26] <synaptics> anyone knows wht this means? ------------>>>
[12:26] <synaptics> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:26] <synaptics>   traverso: Depends: libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.100.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <synaptics>             Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.1.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <synaptics>             Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.1.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <synaptics> E: Unmet dependencies.
[12:26] <Jucato> synaptics: use pastebin please
[12:26] <Jucato> !pastebin
[12:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:26] <pieter_> if i do startx in textmode, my screen is a few seconds black, and x halts
[12:27] <synaptics> thanks, i forgot all about pastebin
[12:27] <pieter_> failsafe works
[12:28] <pieter__> i'm in failsafe
[12:28] <pieter__> and now?
[12:28] <synaptics> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21462 <---anyone can help me out?
[12:28] <waylandbill> hmmm... thinking..
[12:29] <waylandbill> something is obviously messed up in some configuration file for the failing sessions.
[12:30] <Mehercle> you think
[12:30] <Mehercle> i'll take a look
[12:30] <Mehercle> where can i find them?
[12:30] <Jucato> ???
[12:30] <pieter__> srry
[12:30] <pieter__> i was in konversation
[12:30] <Jucato> oh
[12:30] <pieter__> where can i find them?
[12:31] <jamadagni> hello. any one here has qt designer installed?
[12:31] <synaptics> hmm
[12:31] <waylandbill> I don't know off hand.. could be any number of em.
[12:32] <pieter__> i've installed tapioca before the problem appeared
[12:33] <pieter__> tapioca and a lot of dependencies
[12:34] <pieter__> where can i find the desktop files?
[12:34] <synaptics> desktop files --> /home/name/Desktop
[12:35] <waylandbill> ~/Desktop
[12:35] <Martijn81> synaptics: wild guess: have you enabled universe repository?
[12:35] <pieter__> no
[12:35] <pieter__> for
[12:35] <pieter__> the config
[12:35] <waylandbill> pieter__: what's tapioca?
[12:35] <pieter__> kde, gnome
[12:35] <jamadagni> hello any one has qt designer installed?
[12:35] <pieter__> waylandbill: a voip program
[12:35] <jamadagni> when you install it, do you automatically get a k menu entry or no?
[12:36] <pieter__> yes
[12:36] <synaptics> Martijn81: wait, let me pastebin my source.list
[12:36] <pieter__> 100% auto
[12:36] <Martijn81> synaptics: apt-cache search libqt4-gui
[12:36] <Martijn81> synaptics: for example to check if you can get the package
[12:37] <synaptics> libqt4-gui - Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library
[12:37] <synaptics> i think its installed
[12:37] <jamadagni> no no, not the library
[12:37] <Martijn81> synaptics: it looks like a version missmatch to me
[12:38] <jamadagni> i mean the qt designer, which allows you to create qt forms
[12:38] <pieter__> waylandbill: i can run only failsafe, that's it
[12:38] <Jucato> jamadagni: that wasn't for you, I think
[12:38] <Jucato> Martijn81 was talking to synaptics...
[12:38] <synaptics> i only have this->
[12:38] <synaptics> $ apt-cache search libqt4-gui
[12:38] <synaptics> libqt4-gui - Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library
[12:38] <synaptics> does that mean i have the wrong thing installed?
[12:39] <pieter__> orient2000: any ideas?
[12:39] <Martijn81> synaptics: nope, that means the packages from the repository configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list file has the package
[12:39] <pieter__> waylandbill: i mean tapioca
[12:40] <synaptics> so, everything is there then
[12:40] <Martijn81> synaptics: yes, but most likely an too old version
[12:40] <Martijn81> *a
[12:40] <synaptics> how do i get a new version?
[12:41] <waylandbill> pieter__: don't know. I wouldn't think installing that would change something to mess it up that bad, but I've never installed it, so can't say
[12:41] <pieter__> okay
[12:41] <pieter__> i've removed it
[12:42] <pieter__> now a reboot
[12:42] <pieter__> brb
[12:44] <karel> zdravim mluv tu nkdo esky :-D
[12:44] <Martijn81> synaptics: that's a problem, you can only force the install and cross your fingers, find some site that has the package or compile from source
[12:45] <Martijn81> synaptics: let me guess, breezy?
[12:46] <karel> tak tady asik nepokecam :-D
[12:46] <XVampireX> how do I switch between konsole tabs with the keyboard?
[12:47] <synaptics> Martijn81:  dapper
[12:47] <Tm_T> XVampireX: shift+arrows for example, dunno if it's default or just my settings
[12:47] <Mehercle> orient2000 and waylandbill: only failsafe....
[12:47] <XVampireX> thanks
[12:48] <XVampireX> yup, that works
[12:48] <Tm_T> XVampireX: just check from shortcut settings and you don't have to wonder ;)
[12:48] <XVampireX> :P
[12:49] <synaptics> Martijn81: want to see my source.list?
[12:50] <Martijn81> synaptics: no wait, my repo says it has the right version so it *should* work
[12:50] <overlimit> can anyone explain why my xine does not play new movies...I get error decrypting keys
[12:50] <Martijn81> synaptics: have you tried what it says?-> Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages
[12:52] <synaptics> Martijn81: its installing something after i typed that command
[12:52] <synaptics> probably the missing stuff
[12:52] <Martijn81> synaptics: that's a good thing
[12:53] <grothesk> Can anyone confirm that a ralink 2500 Chipset is able to encrypt in WPA?
[12:53] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: do u know stuff about synaptics ? :)
[12:54] <synaptics> AtKaaZ:  i dont like using synaptic
[12:54] <D4rkly> does anyone get sound on video.google.com
[12:55] <erov> i get sound, no video d4rkly :|
[12:55] <PlHL> Hi, anyone who knows the command(s) to change identd in Konversation?
[12:55] <arepie> how to install flash, real player and the other plugin for firefox on amd64 ?
[12:55] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: i have/had problems with synaptics so i had to 'echo options psmouse proto=exps >/etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe' to disable chaotic tapping :D
[12:56] <Jucato> I get both sound and video in Google Video
[12:56] <waylandbill> I get both as well
[12:56] <D4rkly> Jucato what browser are you using ?
[12:56] <Martijn81> synaptics: now try and install what you tried to install earlier, if will either install it or says the package is already installed
[12:57] <Martijn81> *it
[12:57] <Jucato> D4rkly: both Konqueror and Firefox
[12:57] <AtKaaZ> arepie: afaik flash is not (yet?) supported on 64bitz ?!
[12:58] <Martijn81> back soon....
[12:58] <synaptics> ok, i'll try it out
[12:58] <D4rkly> what plugin do you use to play videos on video.google.com
[12:58] <Jucato> D4rkly: flashplugin-nonfree
[12:59] <D4rkly> oh im also using that 1
[01:00] <Jucato> what browser?
[01:00] <D4rkly> firefox
[01:00] <synaptics> AtKaaZ: you still there?
[01:00] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: yes, why?
[01:01] <waylandbill> D4rkly: I've had sound go away until a reboot before on google video. Might be a flash bug.
[01:01] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: i was contemplating about using /quit :)
[01:01] <D4rkly> kk brb
[01:01] <synaptics> i want to try that echo thing
[01:01] <synaptics> brb
[01:02] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: maybe needs reboot or reinsmod of sorts of psmouse :)
[01:06] <orient2000> pieter_ problem http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30406
[01:06] <synaptics> hmm i disconnected
[01:06] <AtKaaZ> D4rkly: having an X problem? or just the irc client :)
[01:07] <AtKaaZ> synaptics: did u reinsert the psmouse mod?
[01:08] <D4rkly> i was trying to auto register my name when i connect to freenode in Konversation
[01:08] <D4rkly> yay got sound in google video after reboot
[01:10] <waylandbill> D4rkly: yeah... it's gotta be a bug in flash or something.
[01:12] <D4rkly> in Konversation under Server List -> Edit(freenode) -> Edit(default identity).  there is a auto indentify section with Service: and Password: fields. what do i put in the Service: field to register my nick with the nickserve at login ???
[01:12] <Jucato> D4rkly: "nickserv"
[01:12] <Jucato> without the quotes
[01:14] <Martijn81> hmm, fast... with my router it takes half a minute minimum to get connected with freenode...
[01:14] <D4rkly> cool you need NickServe<space>
[01:15] <Jucato> D4rkly: My bad, it's NickServ I think
[01:15] <Jucato> (but no "e", and no <space>)
[01:15] <mjanicki> hi all
[01:15] <synaptics> Martijn81: i think ive got it working........ how do i use unrar-free?
[01:16] <Jucato> synaptics: you use it with Ark
[01:16] <D4rkly> sound goes after playing 1 vid off google video
[01:17] <Martijn81> synaptic: ark should work with it automaticly, but konsole and the unrar command will work just as nice. You choose
[01:18] <D4rkly> its back again :)
[01:18] <synaptics> i think its working. i used Ark and found that i can use tar, lha, zoo, rar, ar, 7zip
[01:18] <Jucato> Ark can open anything as long as the needed packages are there
[01:18] <Jucato> heck it can even open up .deb files :-D
[01:19] <synaptics> brb.. restart
[01:19] <D4rkly> does anyone want to help install the apple darwin streaming server
[01:19] <RawSewage> why did my Konqueror file manager fonts just get so big
[01:19] <RawSewage> I cant shrink them
[01:20] <Jucato> RawSewage: which fonts?
[01:20] <RawSewage> the folders are small, not tiny
[01:20] <RawSewage> I think the problem is with the folders
[01:20] <RawSewage> they wont shrink enough
[01:21] <Jucato> RawSewage: you can also check the font settings for Konqueror (as a file manager) in Settings > Configure Konqueror
[01:21] <RawSewage> I did all that
[01:22] <RawSewage> ok
[01:23] <RawSewage> I adjusted it in  Appearance
[01:24] <Jucato> does anyone know if OO.o will have a sort of "workspace" similar to KOffice's koshell/KOffice Workspace?
[01:25] <D4rkly> can someon please help me install apple's darwin streaming server ?
[01:26] <RawSewage> !darwin
[01:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:26] <RawSewage> I dont use any open document programs
[01:26] <RawSewage> just KWrite
[01:27] <Jucato> RawSewage: ehehe! I rarely do word processing, too. but when I do, I have lots open. So OO.o gets a bit messy
[01:27] <RawSewage> Jucato, cant you just use pager desktops
[01:28] <AtKaaZ> !darwinos
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darwinos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <D4rkly> it uses a .py script to install and coplains about en language files i had a look in the script and it tries to put the files in a html-en directory
[01:28] <Jucato> RawSewage: I can, but switching between desktops is harder than switching between documents if they are within one window
[01:28] <AtKaaZ> RawSewage: do u have problems(bugs) with KWrite?
[01:28] <RawSewage> no
[01:29] <AtKaaZ> k
[01:33] <AtKaaZ> RawSewage: sorry, i was refering to kate :) and now i've just realized that thanks to synaptics :P
[01:33] <synaptics> hehe
[01:48] <synaptics> kate has a bug
[01:49] <waylandbill> synaptics: what kinda bug?
[01:49] <jamadagni> hello. my system is a pentium 4 with hyperthreading
[01:49] <madgik85> hello i was thinking of tring to Kubuntu. I was just wondering, what does the DVD version have that the cd version doesnt and which on is it worth getting?
[01:49] <jamadagni> @madgik85: don't bother downloading hte dvd
[01:50] <synaptics> everytime i open something with kate (command line from konsole) . i get some error and then kate runs
[01:50] <waylandbill> madgik85: the liveCD is all you need.
[01:50] <jamadagni> the cd has basically the important parts but the dvd doesn't have the full kde
[01:50] <jamadagni> install from cd - alternate or live (live cd doens't allow you freedom in installing grub, I was told)
[01:50] <madgik85> jamadagni: ok the then ill get the cd version
[01:50] <jamadagni> and then add your needed packages from the repositories
[01:51] <RawSewage> DVD is if you have no internet
[01:51] <jamadagni> well yeah, but as said before, dvd also does not have full kde
[01:51] <erov> yay amarok 1.4.2 :)
[01:51] <jamadagni> sad thing. i tried to report a bug but it was rejected
[01:51] <jprenaud> hi all
[01:52] <waylandbill> jamadagni: you can always customize the grub after install. It usually detects if it needs windoze entry.
[01:52] <jprenaud> anybody using kubuntu on an IBM thinkpad?
[01:53] <jamadagni> waylandbill - but it does not allow to install grub to anywhere other than the mbr, right?
[01:54] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: i don't; but we might try to help anyhow :P
[01:54] <waylandbill> jamadagni: that's right. Never tried it with multiple drives either. That might classify  an alternative install too.
[01:55] <jamadagni> don't think multiple drives is problem
[01:55] <jamadagni> is madgik85 still here?
[01:55] <jamadagni> see http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8033.msg32339#msg32339 for what's on the dvd and not on the cd
[01:56] <jamadagni> ok now i get to get some help! ;)
[01:56] <jamadagni> i'm running a pentium 4 with hyperthreading
[01:56] <jamadagni> but the default installer (from alternate cd) installed linux i386 only
[01:57] <jamadagni> can i without fear install linux i686 smp?
[01:57] <pieter_> waylandbill: still no x ....
[01:58] <waylandbill> isnt the smp version intended for multiple cpu mobo?
[01:58] <yaccin> ive changed the kdm-theme, now i cant graphicaly log in o.O
[01:58] <RawSewage> The core update is working now
[01:58] <nolte> jamadagni: why not ? if you still let the old kernel installed, so you can switch back
[01:59] <waylandbill> pieter_: try renaming the ~/.kde directory to something else. don't remove it, just rename it.
[01:59] <nolte> jamadagni: just in case
[01:59] <pieter_> it was in all my wm's
[01:59] <pieter_> reinstall
[01:59] <pieter_> i'll reinstall kubuntu
[02:00] <jamadagni> waylandbill - suse 10.1 installed i586 smp
[02:00] <pieter_> that's faster than searching the problem
[02:00] <jamadagni> and knoppix shows two penguins
[02:00] <waylandbill> pieter_: good luck with that.
[02:00] <pieter_> thanks for your help
[02:00] <jamadagni> and repots cpu0 and cpu1 with identical specs at 3000 mhz
[02:00] <pieter_> back in an hour
[02:00] <jamadagni> @nolte - how do i know which kernel is being booted?
[02:01] <waylandbill> jamadagni: ah. ok. you should be fine.
[02:01] <jamadagni> @nolte - how do i set the 686 smp kernel to be booted?
[02:01] <nolte> jamadagni: there should be an entry in your grub menu.lst
[02:01] <waylandbill> jamadagni: both will be in grub for you to choose
[02:02] <jamadagni> well i didn't install ubuntu grub
[02:02] <jamadagni> but i added an entry to suse grub
[02:02] <jamadagni> i think i just edit that entry
[02:02] <jamadagni> to point to new kernel
[02:03] <jamadagni> will try, after praying to the elephant god that my system does not crash
[02:03] <jamadagni> :)
[02:03] <jamadagni> hey how do these people do these messages while going away: "Mehercle has left this server ("reinstalling kubuntu, back in an hour")."
[02:03] <waylandbill> jamadagni: you can add an entry for it. I'd not edit a working one until you know it works.
[02:03] <jamadagni> i would like that
[02:03] <jamadagni> waylandbill - that's prudent
[02:04] <waylandbill> I think the / quit command takes arguments for those IIRC
[02:04] <jamadagni> trying...
[02:05] <waylandbill> <-- jamadagni has left this server ("i'll be right back").
[02:06] <jamadagni> yay! ;)
[02:06] <jamadagni> why does not /away work for me?
[02:07] <jamadagni> " [Away]  You are not marked as being away."
[02:07] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: thanks. i have problem with suspend to ram (using kpowersave)
[02:08] <AtKaaZ> jamadagni: do you type a msg after /away ? if not it'll unmark you
[02:09] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: i take it it won't resume after suspend ?
[02:10] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: well it does but i have to chvt 1 and then back to chvt7. if not, i get a garbled screen.
[02:11] <AtKaaZ> oic
[02:12] <jamadagni> @AtKaaZ - i did not type a msg after /away
[02:12] <jamadagni> do i have to?
[02:12] <jamadagni> i'm back
[02:12] <Agios> nope
[02:12] <jamadagni> is that how it works?
[02:13] <Agios> just /away is enough
[02:13] <Jucato> Agios: I don't think so
[02:13] <jamadagni> what to do to undo /away? konversation still shows "(away)"
[02:13] <Jucato> a plain /away will show this message: [Away]  You are not marked as being away.
[02:13] <Jucato> jamadagni: you need to do something like "/away [away_message] "
[02:13] <Agios> well, it works for me :)
[02:13] <AtKaaZ> Agios: in konversation just /away does unmark you if previously were away :)
[02:14] <Jucato> other IRC clients might behave differently?
[02:14] <Agios>  /away bbl    set me away and /away     set me not away
[02:14] <Jucato> Agios: that's not "plain" /away. you put a message after /away (bbl)
[02:14] <[GuS] > Bonjour
[02:15] <Jucato>  /away [message]  = set away ON; /away = set away OFF
[02:15] <Agios> well, I thought he was askin how to unaway :)
[02:15] <Jucato> well, now at least he knows how to do both :-D
[02:15] <Agios> :)
[02:16] <waylandbill> Jucato: it's not a difference in the client I wouldn't think. The client should just send that command unaltered.
[02:16] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: any idea about my suspend issue?
[02:16] <Jucato> waylandbill: yeah, it was a miscommunication between Agios and me :-D
[02:16] <jamadagni> ok worked! but what do you people see when i say "/away msg"?
[02:16] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: no ideas yet; doing some (re)search :P
[02:16] <xwolf-> probably nothing, jamadagni
[02:16] <Agios> jamadagni: nothing unless they whois you
[02:16] <Jucato> nothing
[02:16] <Jucato> ehehe
[02:17] <xwolf-> konversation still has a long way to go
[02:17] <Agios> well, on xchat the nick is greyed in the nicklist for away users
[02:17] <waylandbill> anything else like an action msg and/or nick change would be client specific.
[02:17] <xwolf-> it lacks some key features
[02:18] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: thanks, it used to work. have been offline for 3 weeks, updated a little while ago and now pb with suspend.
[02:19] <jamadagni> ok then, see you guys, bye! :)
[02:20] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: do you have klaptopd in systray i guess?
[02:21] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: no, i use kpowersave. it's in the systray though.
[02:22] <Jucato> Agios: it seems that Konversation also grays out Away users
[02:22] <Jucato> or puts an icon, depending on the theme used
[02:23] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: i see that kpowersave wants to remove klaptopdaemon and powernowd; so i can't test it; guess there are two ways for suspend on laptops
[02:24] <Agios> cool
[02:24] <Agios> I guess. I ignore away status because people forget to unaway it they run autoaway scripts :)
[02:24] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: fair enough, i did not realise you were trying on your machine. kpowersave is a lot nicer that klaptopdaemon though. only this pb for resume which not a killer bug.
[02:25] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: u know what, wait; i am gonna try that even if it removes those :P
[02:26] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: careful...
[02:26] <AtKaaZ> risk is part of the job lolz
[02:26] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: :-)
[02:26] <AtKaaZ> besides i do plan on removing X and getting back to only console :P
[02:27] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: so the chvt you do with ctrl+alt+F1 and ctrl+alt+F7 not with commands rite?
[02:28] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: right. i suspend, it goes fine. then wake up. get garbled screen. then CTRL-ALT-F1 then CTRL-ALT-F7 then all good.
[02:29] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: i take it u're upgraded to day :) what video card btw and driver for X (nvidia?)
[02:30] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: good point, i have not restarted X after upgrade. maybe i should?... i use free radeon driver with a M900 card (radeon mobillity)
[02:31] <pielgrzym> could anyone give me a hint how to compile imlib2 for better performance? I want to boost kompose :)
[02:31] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: please ::)
[02:31] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: OK
[02:31] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud:  just to be on the safe side :P
[02:32] <craig> does anyone know any DECENT P2P programs for kubuntu (limewire doesnt work)
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> define 'decent' and 'doesnt work'
[02:33] <craig> limewire doesnt startup
[02:33] <AtKaaZ> craig: there's limewire for ubtuntu? :) didn't know that
[02:33] <Jucato> !frostwire
[02:33] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[02:33] <craig> thanks
[02:33] <Jucato> !amule
[02:33] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[02:33] <AtKaaZ> craig: u could start that limewire from konsole and perhaps see some errors if any ? or are they in ~/.xsession-errors
[02:38] <craig> I dont know how to connect in amule
[02:39] <ym4546> i'm having some kind of a startup problem on kubuntu 6.06
[02:39] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: well now in new X and same pb.
[02:40] <Jucato> ym4546: what kind of startup problem?
[02:40] <AtKaaZ> hmm
[02:40] <ym4546> when i start up, it goes into GRUB, and i select the first entry there, and then it goes to the blue kubuntu startup screen where it lists the items as it starts them, after that, at the time it should display the kdm login screen, it just continues to show the blue kubuntu logo, and an empty progress bar under it
[02:40] <Jucato> ym4546: did you recently do an update/upgrade?
[02:41] <Jucato> $1 If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[02:41] <ym4546> Jucato: last time i was in linux, adept updatersaid tehere was a new  me to install a new version of xorg, which i did
[02:41] <ym4546> jucato: i think thatw as the problem
[02:41] <Jucato> ym4546: read my long reply
[02:41] <fritsch> Jucato: no
[02:41] <ym4546> jucato: thats exactly what i needed, i'll give it a try and see if it works
[02:41] <fritsch> Jucato: this is fixed
[02:41] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[02:42] <ym4546> jucato: thanks
[02:42] <fritsch> Jucato: yes :-)
[02:42] <Jucato> ym4546: read the 2nd long reply :-D
[02:42] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: how do u suspend to ram? i can't see any options in powersave from systray, maybe i should restart :D
[02:42] <synaptics> Jucato: is that the one when my computer starts only with the kubuntu logo?
[02:42] <Jucato> fritsch: it should be. But I'm wondering why there are still some problems. maybe some servers/mirrors haven't updated yet?
[02:43] <synaptics> lol, and i had to reformat
[02:43] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: right click then "suspend to RAM". don't you have this?
[02:43] <fritsch> Jucato: no, i think the adept just shows: one update available
[02:43] <synaptics> lol
[02:43] <Jucato> synaptics: probably... but it still depends...
[02:43] <fritsch> Jucato: but, if you do sudo apt-get update, then it gets actualized ...
[02:43] <synaptics> i just reformated this morning because of that
[02:43] <fritsch> synaptics: oh no :-)
[02:43] <synaptics> lol oh yes
[02:43] <Jucato> fritsch: no, yesterday, only version 10.3 was available. 10.4 was then made available after a few hours
[02:43] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: yep, i was imagining that's gonna have to be it but it just isn't there; imma have to restart so the daemon will run
[02:44] <Jucato> but it did not hit all servers/mirrors at the same time
[02:44] <fritsch> Jucato: yes, okay this look like a mirror issue
[02:44] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: brb, restart
[02:44] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: just run sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart
[02:44] <Jucato> if the server/mirror has been updated, it will show xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4. if not, it will still show the 10.3 version
[02:44] <synaptics> then i lost one drive
[02:44] <synaptics> good thing there werent any important data ...... well........just 2. but i can redo it
[02:45] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: already did that, still nothing, and apparently it was running
[02:46] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: and restarting kpowersave doesn't do anything different either
[02:46] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: odd... what's your laptop? maybe it is blacklisted by powersaved but it's be surprised.
[02:46] <fritsch> jprenaud: does suspend not work?
[02:46] <synaptics> whats powersaved for? is it the same as klaptop?
[02:46] <fritsch> jprenaud: you have already look in /etc/default/acpi-support
[02:46] <fritsch> synaptics: yes, but it is "more" improved tool, but NOT the way kubuntu goes ...
[02:47] <fritsch> synaptics: kubuntu stars using kde-guidance-powermanager, Riddel is developing it
[02:47] <jprenaud> fritsch:  suspend to ram works but i get a garbled X at resume and have to chvt 1 and chvt 7 after resume
[02:47] <synaptics> nice
[02:47] <fritsch> jprenaud: what laptop?
[02:47] <fritsch> jprenaud: there are some things to do
[02:47] <jprenaud> thinkpad r51
[02:48] <fritsch> jprenaud: okay, you do it with poersave?
[02:48] <jprenaud> fritsch: yes, powersave and kpowersave
[02:48] <synaptics> im using Asus M2C. hmmmmmm the synaptics touchpad cant be disabled
[02:48] <fritsch> jprenaud: sudo vim the powersave config
[02:48] <Jucato> fritsch: nice technique to mention Riddel's nick without notifying and disturbing him :-D
[02:48] <fritsch> jprenaud: DISABLE all VBE Stuff
[02:48] <fritsch> jprenaud: and enable Switch Console
[02:49] <jprenaud> fritsch: which config one? sleep?
[02:49] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes, this one
[02:49] <fritsch> jprenaud: i got it working this way ... (but suspend2 bugged, so i uninstalled it ...)
[02:49] <fritsch> jprenaud: wait
[02:49] <fritsch> jprenaud: try this first
[02:50] <fritsch> jprenaud: suspend
[02:50] <fritsch> jprenaud: get garbled screen
[02:50] <fritsch> jprenaud: press ctrl alt F1 and ctrl alt F7 to go back
[02:50] <Jucato> does anyone know if there's a sort of "workspace" app/utility for OO.o, similar to KOffice Workspace (koshell) ??
[02:50] <fritsch> Jucato: sorry, no
[02:50] <jprenaud> fritsch: and ??
[02:50] <Jucato> T_T
[02:50] <fritsch> jprenaud: this was it ;-)
[02:51] <fritsch> jprenaud: try if "manually" switch terminals helps
[02:51] <jprenaud> fritsch: it does help, that's what i'm doing. i'd like to avoid having to do it
[02:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes okay
[02:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: just edit the sleep config
[02:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: and enable here: switch console
[02:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: it is very down of it
[02:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: very down in the config
[02:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: SUSPEND2RAM_SWITCH_VT="yes"
[02:53] <jprenaud> fritsch: done, have restarted powersaved and will try now.
[02:53] <_rince_> is there an easy way of restoring grub after a windows installation?
[02:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: good, hav fun
[02:53] <fritsch> _rince_: yes
[02:54] <_rince_> i mean more easy than booting a live.cd and chroot'ing
[02:54] <fritsch> _rince_: boot up the live cd, "chroot in" and do a grub-install
[02:54] <Jucato> chroot'ing?
[02:54] <_rince_> tadaa!
[02:54] <fritsch> _rince_: ah okay ;-)
[02:54] <fritsch> _rince_: isn#` t there an "option" repair in the live cd?
[02:54] <fritsch> _rince_: they talked about such an option, iirc
[02:54] <_rince_> fritsch: i have no idea
[02:55] <pr3dator> what's the differens bitween kubuntu6.06 and kubuntu 6.06.1?
[02:55] <jprenaud> fritsch: you are an absolute star it's done it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:55] <Jucato> all I do is "sudo grub" followed by "find /boot/grub/stage1" then "root (hd0,0)" topped by "setup (hd0)"
[02:55] <_rince_> and it must be idiot-proof since i have to do it via telefon/irc
[02:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: *happ*
[02:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: do you have a radeon graphics card?
[02:55] <jprenaud> fritsch: yep, radeom m9000
[02:55] <ketsugi> Is there a way for me to map the Windows key on my keyboard to open the K Menu?
[02:55] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: so?
[02:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: then pleace be sure to load the radeonfb
[02:56] <Jucato> fritsch: no GRUB repair tool in the Desktop CD
[02:56] <_rince_> Jucato: that won't work when there is no linux to boot into
[02:56] <Jucato> _rince_: I mean from the Live CD...
[02:56] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: well, powersaved starts ok, no error or similar msgs in /var/log/debug,messages,syslog but kpowersave says it is not running
[02:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: your laptop gets very warm while sleeping?
[02:56] <jprenaud> fritsch: i have this in menu.lst: defoptions=resume=/dev/hda1 acpi_sleep=s3_bios splash video=radeonfb:1400x1050-16@85
[02:56] <_rince_> Jucato: well, then 'chroot + update-grub' should be enough imo
[02:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes, thisi sperfecetly fine
[02:56] <Jucato> probably. I'm not familiar with the chroot thing
[02:56] <jprenaud> fritsch: i now what you're talking about, is radeonfb in the initrd?
[02:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: what says: cat /proc/fb
[02:57] <AtKaaZ> Jucato: what u mean there's no grub-install on the live cd ? /:)
[02:57] <Jucato> AtKaaZ: there is no GRUB repair tool ala MEPIS
[02:57] <fritsch> jprenaud: no, it is loaded first afterwards, but you can "bring" it in the initrd
[02:57] <Jucato> but grub-install is there
[02:57] <jprenaud> fritsch: says: 0 VGA16 VGA
[02:57] <fritsch> jprenaud: okay so not working
[02:57] <AtKaaZ> jprenaud: oh so it's because of the framebuffer i take it; do u really need that?
[02:57] <fritsch> jprenaud: just do following
[02:57] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: thinkpads get very warm, because of a bug
[02:58] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: you have to use the radeonfb driver to push the cards to D2 mode in suspend
[02:58] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3022
[02:58] <jprenaud> AtKaaZ: yes, trying to reduce power during sleep. so need radeonfb
[02:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: just add radeonfb to /etc/modules this is okay ...
[02:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: and enough
[02:58] <AtKaaZ> Jucato: either way, u should mount ur root partition from live cd, then chroot to that dir then run grub-install, in case ur mbr got overwritten ie. after installing some windows
[02:58] <bpa> hi folk
[02:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: reboot and look what dmesg says about suspending
[02:58] <Jucato> AtKaaZ:  eheh don't tell that to me :-D
[02:59] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: ayt, who knows... knows :D
[02:59] <Jucato> I don't do the chroot thing anyway...
[02:59] <AtKaaZ> Jucato: ok, my bad :-"
[02:59] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: [17179574.616000]  radeonfb: IBM ThinkPad R40 (2722) detected, enabling D2 slee
[02:59] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: so "i" need it ;-)
[02:59] <Jucato> I do it the long way, like the way I posted. So I get to choose which GRUB to install where
[03:00] <jprenaud> fritsch: great, off for a reboot then :-) thanks a lot, much appreciated.
[03:03] <TextureGlitch> Hey everyone, I'm having some trouble with a newly installed Kubuntu can anyone help me? The dhclient program can't get an IP address from my router when I boot up. I checked the system log and it says 'dhclient | receive_packet failed on eth0: network down' and immediately after there's a line that says 'kernel | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, Ipa 0x41E1'. This happens TWICE with every reboot. When it's done booting my I
[03:04] <TextureGlitch> Frankly I don't care why it can't get an IP during bootup, but how do I make a startup script or something that runs after boot so that my machine will get an IP? I tried making a small bash script and use update-rc.d to put it into the bootup sequence, but apparently it's too early in the process or something. I don't know. It doesn't seem to have any effect. If I run my script at the prompt after a reboot I get an IP address,
[03:05] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:05] <AtKaaZ> TextureGlitch: seems that your eth0 gets linked after dhclient runs , unless im missing smth?!
[03:05] <fritsch> !pastebin > TextureGlitch
[03:05] <fritsch> jprenaud: back?
[03:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: add radeonfb to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[03:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` reconfigures your initramfs, etc.
[03:06] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: how can i change the contents of an initramfs :P
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> This is my /etc/network/interface file:
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto lo
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface lo inet loopback
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> address 127.0.0.1
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> netmask 255.0.0.0
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto eth0
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto eth1
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[03:07] <jprenaud> fritsch: yep and victory again: [17179768.220000]  radeonfb (0000:01:00.0): switching to D2 state...
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto eth2
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto ath0
[03:07] <Jucato> TextureGlitch: pleas stop
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface ath0 inet dhcp
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> auto wlan0
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:07] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: dont`t paste
[03:07] <Jucato> TextureGlitch: use pastebin
[03:07] <Jucato> !pastebin
[03:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:07] <TextureGlitch> sorry
[03:07] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: you are kicked of pasting ....
[03:07] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: i gave you the pastebin link before
[03:08] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: eth0 is acutally your device which gets an IP an has one at the moment?
[03:08] <TextureGlitch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21472
[03:08] <spring> anone good with buildix?
[03:08] <fritsch> TextureGlitch: now it` s okay *g* we saw it (everybody did)
[03:08] <TextureGlitch> yeah, eth0 is my network card
[03:08] <jprenaud> fritsch: do i need to modify the initrd now?
[03:08] <fritsch> jprenaud: you have suspend2 enabled kernel?
[03:08] <fritsch> jprenaud: i told above
[03:09] <fritsch> jprenaud: add radeonfb to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[03:09] <[MysT] > Hi people!
[03:09] <[MysT] > anyone knows how to runj nvclock-qt ?
[03:09] <jprenaud> fritsch: no, i have not suspend2 enabled kernel. but would like to.
[03:09] <[MysT] > i've installed.. and seems that command does not exist
[03:09] <fritsch> jprenaud: after that mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-`uname -r`
[03:09] <fritsch> jprenaud: register your nick, i tell you ...
[03:09] <fritsch> jprenaud: it is very easy
[03:10] <fritsch> jprenaud: what says "uname -r"?
[03:10] <jprenaud> fritsch: how do i register my nick?
[03:10] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: mkinitramfs does that make an /initrd.img file ? 'cause mkinitrd doesn't seem to make it right for me
[03:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: go to the freenode window and typ: !register
[03:11] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-`uname -r`
[03:11] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: but be careful not to make your system unbootable
[03:11] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: yes i'll use another filename :)
[03:11] <jprenaud> fritsch: !register does not work
[03:11] <AtKaaZ> and another entry in menu.lst
[03:12] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: you have to edit grub
[03:12] <fritsch> jprenaud: "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY"
[03:12] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: yes, i just want to edit an existing /initrd.img (symlink) image to add a module and change something in scripts and put it back
[03:13] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: no, don`t do this
[03:13] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: correctly building > "hacking"
[03:14] <fritsch> jprenaud: got it work?
[03:14] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: well, i have to :P i need to replace vga16fb autoloading with nvidiafb, and there's no sensible way to do it
[03:14] <AtKaaZ> (that i'm aware of)
[03:15] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: mmmh, try video=vga16:off
[03:16] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: but only vga16fb is present in the initrd.img file and some fb module is needed for splash and i need fbcon aka /dev/fb0 for Allegro(lib)
[03:16] <TextureGlitch> Is there anyplace I can just put a script and have it run after boot? Somewhere after the update-rc.d stuff is run.
[03:16] <lupine> recompile the kernel?
[03:16] <[MysT] > Please... anyone knows how to run nvclock-qt ?
[03:17] <lupine> (beats unpacking initrd.img and replacing the module manually ;) )
[03:17] <AtKaaZ> lupine: yes, trying that with make-kpkg :)
[03:17] <AtKaaZ> lupine: can u tell me how to repack ? :)
[03:18] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: add nvidiafb /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[03:18] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: and recreate
[03:18] <AtKaaZ> lupine: it'd be faster to do the initrd.img file like that, than recompiling the kernel :puke:
[03:18] <XVampireX> HEY
[03:18] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: with mkinitrd ?
[03:18] <XVampireX> Hobbsee:
[03:18] <Agios> TextureGlitch: the rc.local script is jsut for that purpose.
[03:18] <XVampireX> When is amarok coming along?
[03:18] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: initramfs
[03:18] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: it's there, for edgy
[03:18] <fritsch> AtKaaZ: mkinitramfs -o ....
[03:18] <XVampireX> Great
[03:18] <XVampireX> What about dapper?
[03:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: will they be releasing an Amarok 1.4.3 for Dapper?
[03:19] <XVampireX> Why can't the stable people get even STABLE software?
[03:19] <lupine> it's just a gzip'd loop device, I think
[03:19] <Jucato> XVampireX: Amarok 1.3.9 is stable... ^_^
[03:20] <XVampireX> 1.4.2 is stable too
[03:20] <TextureGlitch> Agios: is that the one in /etc or the one in /etc/init.d ?
[03:20] <XVampireX> it's final release right now
[03:20] <Jucato> XVampireX: except for FLAC support
[03:20] <XVampireX> hmm
[03:20] <Agios> TextureGlitch: the one in /etc/rc.local
[03:20] <XVampireX> Dapper missed 1.4.0/1.4.1/1.4.2
[03:20] <west-en> hello
[03:20] <Agios> just execute your script at the end of it
[03:20] <XVampireX> Great, that's so up to date I could cry! *sarcasm*
[03:20] <Jucato> but by "stable" I mean, officially supported by Ubuntu. the more recent Amarok releases are more of "gifts" from the Kubuntu devs
[03:20] <west-en> i need help with laptopsbuttons
[03:21] <TextureGlitch> Agios: Thanks. Is that one run automatically or do I have to add it with update-rc.d or something?
[03:21] <Jucato> XVampireX: Amarok 1.4.2 is available for Dapper, but not through the main repos
[03:21] <XVampireX> Where?
[03:21] <west-en> i installed hotkeys.setup but they still don't work!
[03:21] <Agios> TextureGlitch: it runs automatically. Nothing else required.
[03:21] <Jucato> XVampireX: http://www.kubuntu.org
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: .3?   no idea.  fritsch is building dapper versions of .2, but i dont know if/how that will work
[03:21] <Jucato> err
[03:21] <west-en> and i need help with the screen to, it is very dark
[03:21] <Jucato> my mistake XVampireX..
[03:21] <Jucato> Dapper has 1.4.1...
[03:22] <XVampireX> Jucato: nothing about 1.4.2
[03:22] <XVampireX> ok
[03:22] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ah there are lib depends, which aren` t in dapper?
[03:22] <Jucato> sorry
[03:22] <AtKaaZ> fritsch: but will that generate a initrd.img file exactly how my prev one was plus that module? or is it missing some things
[03:22] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i build your last packages for edgy successfully: 1.4.1-0ubuntu3
[03:22] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i would think so.  check what was included with the 1.4.1 repo
[03:22] <XVampireX> By the way I'm having a little problem with "Get new *insert name of item here*" dialog
[03:22] <Jucato> fritsch, Hobbsee: is there anyway that a semi-official patch for xine would be released from you guys to fix the FLAC problem?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> fritsch: well, that's 1.4.1 - they were already in dapper
[03:22] <fritsch> Hobbsee: mmmh nope
[03:22] <Jucato> XVampireX: it's bugged
[03:22] <west-en> i need help with laptopsbuttons
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: got a patch handy?
[03:22] <west-en> i installed hotkeys.setup but they still don't work!
[03:22] <west-en> and i need help with the screen to, it is very dark
[03:22] <fritsch> Hobbsee: Riddel released 1.4.1- ubuntu2
[03:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ehehe nope... @_@
[03:23] <XVampireX> I can only view/download from Highest rated
[03:23] <Jucato> I'll search the forums to see who made a patch
[03:23] <XVampireX> tab
[03:23] <Jucato> XVampireX: like I said.. bugged
[03:23] <XVampireX> Ah
[03:23] <XVampireX> when will that be fixed?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> fritsch: well, yeah - either for edgy, or on kubuntu.org
[03:23] <fritsch> west-en: which buttons are not working?
[03:24] <Jucato> Riddel said he's looking into the KDE 3.5.4 bugs... there are quite a lot...
[03:24] <Jucato> but he has his hands full, so I'm not getting my hopes up
[03:25] <XVampireX> Ok :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which ones in particular?  a lot are upstream ones.
[03:25] <synaptics> anyone knows any program that is similar to Msn Messenger?
[03:25] <synaptics> for kubuntu
[03:26] <lupine> kopete#
[03:26] <lupine> -#
[03:26] <synaptics> any other
[03:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm not really sure... I just heard some people complaining about having no FLAC, then I heard someone saying that a patch fixes it... but I haven't actually seen it in action...
[03:26] <lupine> aMSN?
[03:26] <_nedudgi> aMSN is much similar
[03:26] <Jucato> aMSN, GAIM
[03:26] <lupine> will run, but I don't know what libs it needs
[03:26] <synaptics> thanks, i;ll get amsn
[03:26] <lupine> gtk--
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah.  i believe i screwed that up, hoping that an upstream patch would fix it
[03:26] <_nedudgi> Or use Mercury
[03:26] <ketsugi> How can I properly enable Chinese fonts in KDE? All Chinese words show up as dots. Japanese is fine, and both languages display fine in Gnome.
[03:27] <Jucato> I was also expecting the same. So that I could spread the good news around :-D
[03:27] <_nedudgi> Mercury is the one the knows the most features of MSN unfortunately itz is a bit slow
[03:27] <_nedudgi> java eh
[03:27] <lupine> does anyone know how Konversation (0.19) manages to eat 400MB of RAM?
[03:28] <_nedudgi> did you give it something for lunch?
[03:28] <_nedudgi> Maybe it was hungry :D
[03:28] <lupine> no, left it on overnight ;)
[03:28] <synaptics> ahh i c
[03:29] <lupine> all I can think of is that it's doing something esoteric with the text buffer
[03:29] <_nedudgi> And I woud say that installing mercury was a bit horror
[03:29] <lupine> even so... 400MB is OTT
[03:29] <lupine> (I've only got 512!)
[03:30] <_nedudgi> Why do you worry? You still have 112 left:DDD
[03:30] <lupine> + 3GB of swap, I guess...
[03:30] <lupine> it all comes back when I restart konversation, though
[03:31] <XVampireX> lupine: sounds like a memory leak
[03:32] <XVampireX> It's taking very little ram here
[03:32] <_nedudgi> me too for being serius
[03:32] <_nedudgi> only a few amount
[03:33] <synaptics> i'm using 2GB of swap
[03:33] <fritsch> synaptics: how much ram do you have?
[03:33] <lupine> think I should upgrade to kde 3.5.4 ?
[03:33] <synaptics> 768MB RAM
[03:34] <ubuntu_> #linux
[03:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: It seems that upgrading xine to 1.1.2 (Ubuntu has 1.1.1) solves the FLAC problem with Amarok 1.4.1?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !info xine-lib edgy
[03:35] <ubotu> Package xine-lib does not exist in edgy
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !info libxine edgy
[03:35] <ubotu> Package libxine does not exist in edgy
[03:35] <Jucato> !info libxine-main
[03:35] <ubotu> Package libxine-main does not exist in dapper
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !info libxine1 edgy
[03:35] <Jucato> !info libxine-main1
[03:35] <ubotu> libxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2819 kB, installed size 6484 kB
[03:35] <ubotu> libxine-main1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.2 (dapper), package size 2865 kB, installed size 6632 kB
[03:36] <Hobbsee> 1.1.2 is there.
[03:36] <Jucato> lol...
[03:36] <Jucato> in Edgy.. ^_^
[03:36] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:36] <Jucato> just 2 months to go anyway.hehehe!
[03:36] <Hobbsee> that long?  it feels shorter.  sigh.
[03:36] <Jucato> long, short, it's all relative :-D
[03:37] <Jucato> would you know what KDE version Edgy will ship with?
[03:37] <Skrot> Probably 3.5.4
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: 3.5.4 or 3.5.5, depending on when the latter comes out, and/or how stable it is
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: lots of bugs to fix before that.
[03:38] <h3sp4wn> Is there still plans for the 4.0 tech preview to be included ?
[03:38] <Jucato> uhuh
[03:38] <Hobbsee> mind you, i'm not sure how much of terrible interest there will be in edgy+1, so...
[03:38] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: you mean to say there were plans originally?  :P
[03:38] <Jucato> the KDE devs say that KDE 4 tech preview will be released October, but unusable except to developers/programmers/testers
[03:39] <Hobbsee> true that.  i doubt there's enough time to do it for edgy
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I remember reading some e-mail that said that was planned for edgy but however it was a long time ago
[03:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: well, I'm terribly interested because of the new USplash, System Settings, and hopefully, a better, HIG-compliant Adept
[03:39] <Hobbsee> maybe, very maybe, edgy+1
[03:39] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: a long time ago, yes
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that.  it's here now, you know
[03:39] <Hobbsee> it just breaks.
[03:40] <Jucato> lol
[03:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which of those three I mentioned are there already?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> interim usplash is there, system settings is partly done - its' got some nice stuff in there now.  i dont think adept has been updated
[03:40] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance is quite nice, too
[03:41] <Jucato> Kool! I like kde-guidance. Although the Display module seems to need a bit more refining?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance as in the power stuff.   true that.
[03:41] <Jucato> heh. I do hope Adept makes it. I'm reading the AdeptUsability page, and it looks good
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> I like splashy more than usplash
[03:42] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: same here. But I would love to have the option to have scrolling text + good graphics
[03:42] <Hobbsee> it wont change this late
[03:43] <Jucato> I don't think Ubuntu will give up on USplash, though
[03:43] <Jucato> it's one of Ubuntu's babies, iirc
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: like expresso - there are better alternatives (I would just use what works best)
[03:44] <Jucato> I think they renamed it to "Ubiquity"...
[03:44] <h3sp4wn> the knoppix / kanotix installer has never failed at all for me
[03:44] <Jucato> But now that MEPIS is Ubuntu-based, wouldn't it be good if Ubuntu kinda learned from MEPIS's installer?
[03:45] <jprenaud> fritsch: still around?
[03:45] <eeos> hi there i am having problems with my integrated microphone, applications refise to see it :-)
[03:45] <eeos> clues?
[03:46] <jamadagni> jucato - what's special about mepis' installer?
[03:46] <Jucato> jamadagni: so many things? It allows you to choose where you install GRUB for one
[03:47] <Jucato> it has a time-tested partitioning process?
[03:47] <Jucato> well, Ubiquity is still young, so it has lots of chances to grow
[03:48] <jamadagni> what is this time-testing partitioning process?
[03:48] <jamadagni> i mean, time-tested...
[03:49] <synaptics> how do i change usplash?
[03:49] <jamadagni> synaptics - just do sudo apt-get install splashy
[03:49] <eeos> !alsa
[03:49] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:49] <jamadagni> or did you mean, how do you change the usplash splash
[03:49] <Jucato> jamadagni: the first few days after Ubuntu/Kubuntu 6.06 was released, a lot of comments have been about some issues with the partitioner
[03:49] <Jucato> jamadagni: splashy isn't in the repositories, btw
[03:49] <synaptics> thanks jamadagni
[03:50] <synaptics> the partitioner is very sucky
[03:50] <Jucato> jamadagni: I said "time-tested" because the MEPIS installer has been around far longer than Ubiquity.
[03:50] <jamadagni> @synaptics - jucato is right. sorry but it isn't in the repositories
[03:51] <abonnema> Does anyone here know how to re-get files from an otherwise ok installation?
[03:51] <abonnema> I accidentally deleted a conf. directory
[03:52] <Jucato> abonnema: what do you mean?
[03:52] <synaptics> yah, i know
[03:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes?
[03:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: working?
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> abonnema: dpkg -S /path/to/file (apt-get install --reinstall whateverpackage)
[03:52] <jamadagni> jucato: but mepis is ubuntu-based means they are later, no?
[03:52] <abonnema> I mea I deleted my /etc/mysql directory and I want to get it from the package its from
[03:52] <gnomefreak> when did ubuntu get mepis? i thought it was debian based still
[03:52] <synaptics> Reading package lists... Done
[03:52] <synaptics> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:52] <synaptics> E: Couldn't find package splashy
[03:52] <gnomefreak> synaptics: its not in repos
[03:52] <jprenaud> fritsch: not tried, need to change grub line (i guess) plus stuff in /etc/hibernate, no?
[03:53] <Jucato> jamadagni: no. MEPIS was KNOPPIX-based before it turned Ubuntu-based
[03:53] <synaptics> i did that in konsole
[03:53] <jamadagni> synatpics: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php
[03:53] <abonnema> Ok, apt-get install --reinstall mysql-common: thanks
[03:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: no, only in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:53] <jprenaud> fritsch: defaults in /etc/hibernate are all good?
[03:53] <Jucato> synaptics: well, splashy isn't in the repositories. there is currently no easy way to install it...
[03:53] <jamadagni> there's a howto in the ubuntuforums
[03:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: add here: resume2=swap:/dev/hda5
[03:53] <jamadagni> search
[03:53] <Jucato> and changing the USplash theme is quite difficult
[03:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: ths was for "grub", resume2=swap:/dev/hdaX (where X is your swap partition number)
[03:54] <Jucato> jamadagni: the repository for splash mentioned in the forums is down
[03:54] <jamadagni> changing the splashy tyheme is quite easy
[03:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes the defaults are okay! ...
[03:54] <Jucato> jamadagni: I said, changing the "USplash" theme as the difficult one
[03:54] <jamadagni> splashy_config -s kubuntutheme
[03:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: when you enable KDELock, you have to patch a little, becase there en "&" is missing in the scriptlet
[03:54] <jamadagni> yes jucato, i was contrasting it with splashy
[03:55] <Jucato> jamadagni: but it doesn't mean it will automatically work. It seems that the current Ubuntu kernel does not have the necessary options to make Splashy work
[03:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: just add this, update-grub, reboot and ha a try
[03:55] <jamadagni> jucato - then how does it work on my machinje ? ;)
[03:56] <Jucato> jamadagni: you're one of the lucky ones?
[03:56] <jamadagni> ha ha ha
[03:56] <jprenaud> fritsch: right, will try hibernate. no need for rebott, right? updated grub is used at resume, right?
[03:56] <Jucato> have you seen how many unanswered calls for help are in that thread?
[03:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: mmh update-grub and reboot, because of errors
[03:57] <jamadagni> i did nothing but do what is said at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216597&highlight=splashy
[03:57] <fritsch> jprenaud: just to be sure
[03:57] <jamadagni> jucato - yes
[03:57] <jamadagni> oh in that thread?
[03:57] <jamadagni> no
[03:57] <jprenaud> fritsch: allright, reboot and then hibernate. off i go, bye ...
[03:57] <Jucato> jamadagni: what kernel are you using btw?
[03:58] <jamadagni> 2.6.15-26-386
[03:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: you can just "klick" hibernate
[03:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: but NOT!!! in kpwersave
[03:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: there is currently a bug
[03:58] <jamadagni> fritsch - is hibernate available in kubuntu 6.06.1?
[03:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: suspend2 won` t work, when powersave is running, at all
[03:58] <fritsch> jamadagni: no official
[03:59] <fritsch> jamadagni: just ports from Bernard Blackham
[03:59] <Jucato> jamadagni: what's the line in your menu.lst that uses Splashy? the one that starts with "kernel /boot/vmlinuz...."?
[03:59] <fritsch> jamadagni: shortly afk
[03:59] <jamadagni> jucato: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/sda11 ro vga=792
[04:00] <jamadagni> fritsch - what's afk
[04:00] <eeos> fritsch hi there
[04:00] <Jucato> Away From Keyboard?
[04:00] <Jucato> jamadagni: strange... it didn't work here even with that line....
[04:00] <jamadagni> some monitors have problem with vga=792
[04:00] <Jucato> I'll give it another go tomorrow
[04:00] <jamadagni> or maybe it's some monitor-kernel combinations
[04:01] <Jucato> I tried vga=791, which was what I used in MEPIS
[04:01] <Jucato> (MEPIS uses splashy, btw)
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Amorous for Kubuntu
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Oh
[04:01] <DaSkreech> away From Keyboard
[04:01] <DaSkreech> I knew that
[04:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech is in da House!! ^_^
[04:02] <badri> hello
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato of the Beautiful Women!!
[04:02] <Jucato> lol
[04:02] <DaSkreech> hello badri
[04:02] <Jucato> that just sounds soo wrong
[04:02] <badri> hi need some help with my video card
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: Is 1280 by 1024 vga=794 ? I can't remember
[04:03] <fritsch> eeos: hi! yes just came back
[04:03] <jamadagni> badri?
[04:03] <badri> yes
[04:03] <jamadagni> oh badri, hello!
[04:03] <fritsch> jamadagni: afk: away from keyboard
[04:03] <Jucato> I can't remember also. all I know is 1024x768 is 791...
[04:03] <jamadagni> ok fritsch thanks
[04:03] <badri> hi jamadagni
[04:03] <fritsch> jamadagni: http://www.ucc.asn.au/~dagobah/dapper-kernels/
[04:03] <jamadagni> jucato: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php
[04:04] <fritsch> jamadagni: you link is probably not needed for ubuntu
[04:04] <fritsch> jamadagni: you don` t give vga=791 options anymore
[04:04] <Jucato> fritsch: it's needed for Splashy, though
[04:05] <badri> i cant configure the driver for my ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[04:05] <fritsch> jamadagni: video=driverfb:Resx:resy ... etc.
[04:05] <jamadagni> well it's just for information
[04:05] <fritsch> badri: take radeonfb
[04:05] <badri> where
[04:05] <jamadagni> does automatix answer badri's q perhaps
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> so what is the line to use nvidiafb ?
[04:05] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: video=nvidiafb:1024x768-16
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> (I know I need vga=794 or vga=795)
[04:05] <Jucato> fritsch: would that be the option to use to make Splashy work?
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: Will that work with a vanilla kernel ?
[04:06] <fritsch> Jucato: uuuh ;-) don` t know
[04:06] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes, if the modul is compiled in
[04:06] <elperu> ciao
[04:06] <erov> h3sp4wn: why does the rep's insist their version of zsnes is newer than the .deb you provided me with y'day?
[04:06] <Jucato> gotta try that out tomorrow...
[04:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: or in the initram
[04:06] <fritsch> eeos: ?
[04:07] <eeos> fritsch I have been testing
[04:08] <fritsch> eeos: what are you testing?
[04:08] <eeos> fritsch the video options following your suggestions (sorry they called med)
[04:08] <fritsch> eeos: called med?
[04:08] <fritsch> eeos: you have a radeon, right?
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: so if I add video=nvidiafb:1280x1024-16 to defoptions= (It should work fine ? )
[04:08] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: mmh normal yes
[04:08] <eeos> fristch and i discovered something interesting
[04:08] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: but the ubuntu initram loads vga16 automatically
[04:09] <fritsch> eeos: tell me
[04:09] <badri> after i change my video card driver from vesa in system settings and apply .the changes dont stay
[04:09] <eeos> fritsch i cannot launch commands like glxinfo
[04:09] <eeos> fritsch from anormal user
[04:09] <eeos> fritsch even if the normal user is in the group video
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> erov: So is it attempting to install their version whenever you dist-upgrade ?
[04:10] <eeos> frritsch the commend works fine if I sudo it
[04:10] <fritsch> eeos: okay, let` s see
[04:10] <fritsch> eeos: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf into pastebin
[04:10] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: sudo vim /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer
[04:10] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: have a look here
[04:11] <eeos> fritsch isn't that very strange?
[04:11] <fritsch> eeos: no ;-) i have an idea
[04:11] <fritsch> eeos: you cannot "RUN" glxgears atl all?
[04:11] <shane_> !nvidia
[04:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <fritsch> eeos: or this it run but without hardware accelartion?
[04:12] <badri> 123qweasd
[04:12] <fritsch> badri: thanx *G*
[04:12] <fritsch> badri: lol
[04:12] <fritsch> badri: time to change the password
[04:13] <badri> i dunno wht is hapenin
[04:13] <badri> i am here first time
[04:13] <fritsch> badri: no problem
[04:13] <eeos> fritsch here it is http://pastebin.com/774008
[04:13] <eeos> fritsch why should i run glxgears?
[04:13] <badri> i just came here coz i read tht i could solve my video card problem here
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> erov: echo zsnes hold | dpkg --set-selections (when my versions is installed - I will try to sort out incrementing the version so it doesn't do that)
[04:14] <badri> jamadagni:could u help me out
[04:15] <fritsch_> eeos: still there?
[04:15] <eeos> fritsch yes
[04:15] <spring> just curious, did anyone run vm winxp to replace real xp in ubuntu here? is vm xp mature good enough?
[04:15] <fritsch_> eeos: reload you page *G* i edited
[04:15] <fritsch_> eeos: just very bottom
[04:15] <shane_> I just did a fresh install of the lateset Kubuntu. Is Adept package manager broken?
[04:15] <craig> does anyone know how to play MP3 files on kubuntu
[04:15] <fritsch_> !mp3 > craig
[04:16] <craig> anyone??
[04:16] <eeos> fritsch where do i find it?
[04:16] <badri> hello
[04:16] <fritsch_> badri: hallo
[04:16] <spring> try google craig, might be faster
[04:16] <craig> it doesnt show anything
[04:16] <shane_> craig try amarok
[04:16] <spring> amoraok can play mp3?
[04:17] <craig> ermmmm no
[04:17] <fritsch_> !restrictedformats
[04:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:17] <fritsch_> craig: look on the links ...
[04:17] <trovador34> hi, i have some text files with spanish characters, e.g. accents like , and when i open them with Kate, or other kde apps the accents appear as a question mark, but in Vi they appear normal, where can i set this up?
[04:17] <eeos> fritsch_ I do not understand what i am suposed to do, sorry
[04:17] <badri> anyone know hot to make my ati m6 card work
[04:18] <waylandbill> trovador34: sounds like the font doesn't have that char in it.
[04:18] <fritsch_> eeos: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:18] <abonnema> HI all, just a quick query. I deleted /etc/mysql, package mysql-common contains the directory and my.cnf, but I cant retrieve it. apt-get install --reinstall doesnt get it done: any ideas?
[04:18] <fritsch_> eeos: and add the lines, i edited under #IMPORTANT
[04:18] <trovador34> waylandbill: actually, after i open it with kate, i can type new characters with accents in!
[04:18] <shane_> is the x server package still fouled up?
[04:19] <fritsch_> abonnema: sudo dpkg --purge "packagename"
[04:19] <Jucato> shane_: not anymore, AFAIK
[04:19] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[04:19] <fritsch_> shane_: no fixed, but install the .4 version (thx Jucato)
[04:19] <eeos> fritsch_ i did not get the lines you sent me under #important
[04:19] <abonnema> Fritsch, thanks, but then I will have to reinstall all dependent packages, right?
[04:19] <Mr0bvious> Jucato: What's new in the new version of X?
[04:19] <abonnema> Can I just retrieve that one directory?
[04:20] <fritsch_> abonnema: try: dpkg-reconfig "packagename"
[04:20] <fritsch_> abonnema: dpkg-reconfigure ... sorry typo
[04:20] <Jucato> Mr0bvious: xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4
[04:20] <abonnema> Fritsch, Okee, will do. brb.
[04:20] <waylandbill> trovador34: aint the font then. :-)
[04:20] <trovador34> waylandbill: ahh, but close, apparently it's the default encoding, which was set to UTF-8. Changing it to iso-8859-* worked..
[04:20] <shane_> Cool thanks guys I got the right one.
[04:21] <waylandbill> trovador34: UTF-8... yeah.. that won't do
[04:21] <fritsch_> eeos: sorry, cannot write pm, because of 2 times logged in
[04:21] <Mr0bvious> Jucato: I was wondering what was new about the new version of X. Got a link?
[04:21] <eeos> fritsch_ i got the lines now
[04:21] <eeos> fritsch_ thanks, rebooting
[04:21] <Jucato> nope. probably just a bug fix or something like that...
[04:22] <waylandbill> trovador34: must be it changes to unicode when you type a character but not if it defaults to 8 bit.
[04:22] <abonnema> Fritsch, sorry dpkg-reconfigure mysql-common doesnt work......
[04:22] <trovador34> waylandbill: yep, do you know where to change the default to iso?
[04:22] <abonnema> Maybe i have to remove and reinstall ?? Seems strange though, the file I need is in there, I just need to get hold of it
[04:23] <fritsch_> abonnema: what does it say, when you dpkg-reconfigure `
[04:23] <abonnema> it says nothing
[04:23] <fritsch_> abonnema: dpkg-reconfigure --force-all "package"
[04:23] <fritsch_> abonnema: doing so installs the default onfig files and overwrites verything
[04:23] <waylandbill> trovador34: configure, open/save, file format
[04:24] <trovador34> waylandbill: i'm thinking changing the default for all kde..
[04:25] <waylandbill> trovador34: I think you can do that safely.
[04:25] <eeos> fritsch_ rebooted, now glxgears works
[04:25] <fritsch> eeos: you see *G*
[04:25] <fritsch> eeos: i get one beer, if you see me next time :-)
[04:25] <eeos> fritsch with some errors.
[04:25] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <eeos> fritsch yes, you bet
[04:26] <Jucato> with some errors = no beer
[04:26] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:26] <fritsch> eeos: paste them to me in a pastebin
[04:26] <fritsch> eeos: ill have a look
[04:26] <eeos> fritsch with some error = half a beer
[04:26] <fritsch> eeos: what was your grapchis card?
[04:26] <fritsch> eeos: 9600?
[04:26] <Jucato> hahaha
[04:26] <eeos> X700 radeon mobility
[04:26] <fritsch> eeos: pastebin
[04:27] <garret> I did the update on my home PC and it now will not fire up X.  The x-server update seems to have wiped out my monitor.  How do I get it back with out X, I forget how to get in and use vi.
[04:27] <eeos> fritsch http://pastebin.com/774017
[04:27] <eeos> fritsch here it is
[04:27] <shane_> hey I am at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia trying to install nvidia drivers. It seems this is a old writeup? Nothing is how it says to install it starting at the repos
[04:27] <dhq> hey all , i need a nice graphical wifi manager which i can choose adhoc,and all options in wifi
[04:27] <Jucato> garret:
[04:28] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[04:28] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). If they are not yet available, please wait for the servers/mirrors to update.
[04:28] <Jucato> hm.. need to change that last line...
[04:28] <spring> hi what package do i install to open rar file by clicking icon
[04:29] <fritsch> eeos: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/category/open-source/
[04:29] <fritsch> eeos: try this suggestion
[04:29] <Jucato> !info unrar
[04:29] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[04:29] <eeos> fritsch wait
[04:29] <garret> jucato - thank you very much.  It would seem that they should have had a warning with this apt-get update.
[04:29] <jprenaud> fritsch: hey, back now after a suspen2 resume cycle, all good so far, upslpash et al... thanks so much for your help!!
[04:29] <spring> thx
[04:29] <Jucato> garret: I don't understand why you weren't able to get the fixed update though...
[04:29] <DaSkreech> !ati > badri
[04:29] <Jucato> it should have hit all servers by now..
[04:30] <fritsch> jprenaud: i take one beer from you, too
[04:30] <Jucato> lol
[04:30] <Jucato> fritsch: is collecting beer IOU's
[04:31] <eeos> fritsch it does not let me do it
[04:31] <fritsch> eeos: you have to do it as sudo
[04:31] <fritsch> Jucato: have a beear from every part of the world, would be cool
[04:31] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:32] <eeos> fritsch does that not conflict with  devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[04:32] <eeos> fritsch ?
[04:32] <eeos> fritsch from here you will only get warm beer, so that is not too cool :D :D
[04:33] <fritsch> eeos: i did not get this
[04:33] <fritsch> eeos: your post above?
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: video=vesafb vga=795 (that seems to be working but nvidiafb stops the binary drivers working so I cannot use that)
[04:33] <garret> I just did an apt-get on the laptop I am on and it got the 1:1.0.2-0Ubuntu version.  Before I did it I coppied off my xcong file with a plan to copy it back with the boot CD if needed.
[04:33] <fritsch> eeos: you already have this in you fstab?
[04:33] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: okay, the gentoo people had a kernel patch to avoid this
[04:33] <eeos> fritsch I already have devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) in my fstab
[04:33] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: vesa-tng
[04:33] <garret> Sorry my lost post was for jucato
[04:33] <fritsch> eeos: is the entry "correct"
[04:33] <eeos> fritsch it did come automatically with installation
[04:33] <fritsch> eeos: okay
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: It is working with vesa though (and the binary drivers)
[04:34] <fritsch> eeos: how many fsp do you get?
[04:34] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: okay
[04:34] <eeos> fritsch I haven't a clue kubuntu did it it by itslf
[04:34] <fritsch> eeos: okay, keep it
[04:34] <fritsch> eeos: or compare it with the one from the link? what is different?
[04:34] <eeos> fritsch so, shall i remove te entry tmpfs
[04:34] <Jucato> garret: ok. good luck then. after you get X back up, try to check if you could upgrade to the 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 version. That's the fixed one
[04:35] <fritsch> eeos: no wait
[04:35] <eeos> fritsch well, that the fstab has already an entry for tmpfs, the link does not say anything about this case
[04:35] <jamadagni> badri sorry for going off the system - what can i help you with?
[04:35] <fritsch> eeos: okay, i have to google further
[04:35] <jamadagni> badri i will talk about half an hour later. going to dinner. the other great guys here can help you
[04:35] <fritsch> eeos: you have very few X modules loaded though
[04:35] <jamadagni> badri they know more than me
[04:36] <eeos> fritsch sorry? which other modules should i load?
[04:36] <fritsch> eeos: in xorg
[04:36] <fritsch> eeos: you only have dri and glx, or?
[04:36] <eeos> fritsch which other modules should i load? what are the relevant modules?
[04:37] <fritsch> eeos: ?
[04:37] <fritsch> eeos: still there?
[04:37] <eeos> fritsch yes
[04:38] <fritsch> -> pm
[04:38] <octan> how do i remove a app?
[04:38] <octan> apt-get --purge remove appname?
[04:39] <intelikey> "bitmap ddc dri extmod freetype glx int10 type1 vbe"
[04:39] <intelikey> @ eeos ^
[04:39] <Jucato> apt-get remove --purge appname
[04:39] <Jucato> or, you can also do it in Adept
[04:39] <octan> but why are still the configuration files ther?
[04:40] <octan> im trying to remove postfix.. and postfix got removed.. but not the config files.
[04:40] <Jucato> octan: you need to use the --purge switch in apt-get to remove configuration files.
[04:40] <Jucato> octan: "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"
[04:41] <intelikey> octan configuration files (global) in /etc   --purge will remove (local) in ~/ remove manually.
[04:41] <octan> inc|freaky, ? what? purge only removes ones in home dir?
[04:41] <octan> *intelikey,
[04:41] <eeos> intelikey hi there!
[04:42] <inc|freaky> octan: :p
[04:42] <octan> inc|freaky, sorry about that :P
[04:42] <intelikey> octan --purge switch added to apt only removes global configs
[04:42] <inc|freaky> np ^^
[04:42] <octan> intelikey well it dosent :(
[04:42] <intelikey> yes it does.
[04:43] <octan> i see the config files is still in etc
[04:43] <octan> for postfix
[04:43] <intelikey> then you didn't --purge  when you removed    or you may be looking at an empty dir
[04:44] <octan> no im defently not looking at a empty dir
[04:44] <octan> i used "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> aptitude will show c (with aptitude search appname~c) if it was not purged
[04:44] <intelikey> octan "ls" show me
[04:45] <Jucato> octan: try "sudo aptitude purge postfix"
[04:45] <octan> ls /etc/postfix/
[04:45] <octan> dynamicmaps.cf  main.cf  master.cf  postfix-files  postfix-script  post-install
[04:46] <octan> hey.. odd.
[04:46] <octan> aptitude purge postfix   worked
[04:47] <octan> now its nothting then.. thxz guys
[04:47] <octan> *ther
[04:50] <intelikey> octan btw "apt-get remove --purge"   only works on isntalled packages.   not packages you already did "apt-get remove"  on
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> aptitude purge works in a more sensible way
[04:51] <Jucato> aptitude usually works in a more sensible way.. ^_^
[04:51] <Jucato> octan: a little tip: "sudo aptitdue purge --purge-unused <package_name>" will also remove+purge everything that will be removed together with the package
[04:52] <jprenaud> fritsch: back again, had a lockup after doing suspend to ram (after a suspend2 cycle) any conflict between the two?
[04:52] <intelikey> h3sp4wn sensible is a matter of opinion there.  why would i need to purge something that isn't installed ?
[04:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: sould not be, working fine here
[04:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: ah! i know!
[04:52] <Jucato> intelikey: he's trying to purge what was supposed to have been purged by apt-get but wasn't
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: because you thought you may want the config files so moved them somewhere else than wanted to remove them
[04:52] <fritsch> jprenaud: edit /etc/hibernate/ram.conf and comment out the VBE stuff
[04:53] <jprenaud> fritsch: ok, but why does it use ram.conf for suspend to ram?
[04:53] <fritsch> jprenaud: because the acpi-support from bernhard uses the hibernate package for doing this stuff
[04:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: and pleae don` tuse powersaved with suspend2
[04:54] <intelikey> h3sp4wn if i moved them   why use a package manager to do  rm  on them   would not   rm -R /etc/postfix    be less typing and even more sensible ?
[04:54] <jprenaud> fritsch: so i need to remove kpowersave then??
[04:54] <intelikey> but anyway.
[04:54] <Jucato> I don't think he moved them. I think he wanted them REmoved
[04:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes currently powersaved and suspend2 don` t work togheter ...
[04:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: somebody from suspend2 list is investigating this issue immo
[04:55] <DaSkreech> can someone tell me what does /usr/bin/x-session-manager point to?
[04:55] <Jucato> DaSkreech: /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[04:55] <jprenaud> fritsch: ok, it's probably why i had this lockup... unfortunate, kpowersave is nice.
[04:56] <jordanR> what is the command to force an update? apt-get -f update?
[04:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes it is
[04:56] <intelikey> Jucato no in the case in point apt was not supposed to purge them because he didn't tell apt to purge them    then later tried to use apt to purge a package that wasn't installed.     rm would be the correct choice on that one imo
[04:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: but comment out the VBE stuff
[04:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: this sucks and crashes things for me
[04:56] <Jucato> intelikey:  <octan> i used "sudo apt-get remove --purge <appname>"
[04:56] <jprenaud> fritsch: what is your laptop btw?
[04:56] <intelikey> jordanR -f != force   -f = fixmissing
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What does that point to :-P
[04:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: if you screen does not come back on resume try to use acpi_sleep=s3bios
[04:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: R40 2722-B3G
[04:57] <jordanR> intelikey: thanks
[04:57] <intelikey> Jucato after he already used apt-get remove postfix
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Keeping the package database consistant
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: did you see the +i?
[04:57] <Jucato> DaSkreech: /usr/bin/startkde
[04:57] <jprenaud> fritsch: ok. i might remove suspend2 then, suspend2ram is probably enough for me. a shame can't have both.
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Bloody!! *throws chairs through windows*
[04:57] <Jucato> intelikey: actually, he was asking how to purge the config files, because they weren't purged when he did apt-get remove --purge
[04:57] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yeah...
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: you can have
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: but not with powersave at the moment
[04:58] <intelikey> Jucato no
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: i use both
[04:58] <jprenaud> fritsch: so i should reinstall klaptop?
[04:58] <jordanR> intelikey: That did not work... apt-get -f ! update?
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: edit the /etc/hibernate/ram.conf an try again
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes try
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Jucato can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors for me?
[04:58] <fritsch> jprenaud: i ll have a look if they have a fix for powersave ...
[04:58] <dhq> how to create a adhoc in kubuntu
[04:59] <Jucato> DaSkreech: hold on a sec..
[04:59] <intelikey> Jucato he was asking because they werent removed when this string was used,   apt-get remove postfix   && apt-get remove --purge postfix     <--- which wont purge the configs because the package is not installed.
[04:59] <Jucato> whoa! it's a long one...
[05:00] <jprenaud> fritsch: to be clear, do you want me to try and remove VBE stuff and keep powersave?
[05:00] <fritsch> jprenaud: no
[05:00] <fritsch> jprenaud: just comment out VBEstuff in /etc/hibernate/ram.conf
[05:00] <fritsch> jprenaud: and uninstall powersaved and kpwersave ...
[05:00] <craig> any info on how to play Mp3 files??
[05:01] <intelikey> jordanR sorry i lost you there.     !=   means not equal    i wasn't giving a command line for your answer i was explaining that -f didn't mean force it means fix missing
[05:01] <DaSkreech> craig: read what ubotu has said to you
[05:01] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > craig
[05:01] <craig> I forgot
[05:01] <uwo> hi all! if i have home in a separate partition and want to reinstall, how many of the settings do i keep (backgrounds, web data, etc)? do i have to do anything in particular not to get the current settings overwritten during reinstall?
[05:01] <jordanR> intelikey: ok i get it....
[05:01] <craig> It was VERY useful until my laptop crashed
[05:02] <DaSkreech> uwo: You will most likely keep all your info
[05:02] <Jucato> intelikey: <octan> how do i remove a app? | <octan> apt-get --purge remove appname? <-- (made a mistake here, though. don't know if it was a typo) | <octan> but why are still the configuration files ther?
[05:02] <intelikey> and Jucato i used && in that to show that it was two seperate commands not that he used one line.
[05:02] <Broxtor> Hi. I just applied the xserver-xorg-core update through adept updater and now my Kubuntu fails to boot into KDE.
[05:03] <Broxtor> It stops at the point where the Nvidia logo appears.
[05:03] <Tm_T> Broxtor: hum, mind to read topic?
[05:03] <Broxtor> Tm_T: no problem at all.
[05:03] <Jucato> I can't find where he mentions that he used two separate commands: one with just remove, and another with --purge. All I can see is that he said he used "remove --purge"
[05:03] <uwo> DaSkreech: therefore i just format the system partition and reinstall... my /home/.icons, /home/.kde, etc. will not be overwritten by default?
[05:03] <intelikey> Jucato just ask him.    he first tried without purge then later with it and wondered why it didn't work.
[05:03] <Jucato> anyway... let's put it to rest..
[05:03] <Tm_T> Broxtor: if that doesn't help, ping me again
[05:03] <intelikey> Jucato agreed
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: do you still need the ~/.xsession-errors?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Remember on reinstall to point your /home to the right partition
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yes
[05:04] <Jucato> it's quite long... @_@
[05:04] <uwo> DaSkreech: tnx
[05:04] <fritsch> jprenaud: done? working?
[05:04] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[05:04] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[05:05] <Jucato> DaSkreech: err.. hold on for more than a minute. seemed like Konqueror stalled because of the length of the file...
[05:05] <Broxtor> Tm_T: sorry for asking, but how do I update from command line?
[05:05] <jprenaud> fritsch: no, just wondering what  do. kpowersave in in ubuntu std so it'd make sense to keep it even if i loose suspend2... oh well, not sure what to do...
[05:05] <Jucato> Broxtor: are you trying to downgrade or upgrade?
[05:06] <Tm_T> Broxtor: no problemo :) "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: it is not the standard
[05:06] <Tm_T> Jucato: prolly upgrade
[05:06] <Jucato> ok
[05:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: dapper is klaptop the standard
[05:06] <Jucato> DaSkreech: still copying...
[05:06] <Broxtor> Tm_T: Jucato: thanks for the pointers. Will give it a shot.
[05:06] <Tm_T> Broxtor: good luck
[05:07] <jprenaud> fritsch: true but kpowersave is in official kunbuntu rep. sorry for confusion.
[05:07] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes it is, the work on it immo
[05:07] <fritsch> jprenaud: on the suspend2 problem ...
[05:07] <fritsch> jprenaud: but suspend 2 ram should not be a problem
[05:07] <fritsch> jprenaud: just edit the vbe stuff, this broke verything for mee
[05:09] <cozomo> hello, where would I get the kernel source tree that the nvidia driver installer needs?
[05:09] <Jucato> DaSkreech: sorry I had to kill Konqui.. I'll try again... but mine is too long. it might be good to ask for someone else's?
[05:10] <DaSkreech> jucato tac it and give me the last login
[05:10] <intelikey> !ati > cozomo
[05:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: got a patch from Pat
[05:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: will try
[05:11] <DaSkreech> I just need one section
[05:11] <jprenaud> fritsch: what type of patch?
[05:11] <Jucato> DaSkreech: which section?
[05:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: a patch for powersave
[05:11] <DaSkreech> The last login
[05:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: i have a look, will report later
[05:12] <DaSkreech> From startkde: Starting Up
[05:12] <Jucato> ok... looking
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I can read it backwards so tac would work :)
[05:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm sorry,what's tac?
[05:13] <intelikey> cat in reverse
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Type it in the konsole :)
[05:14] <Jucato> DaSkreech: guess what, the file is 255,932 lines long... and startkde: Starting Up is the very first line
[05:14] <Jucato> my box has been up for 12 hours now...
[05:14] <intelikey> cat .bash_history ;sleep 3 ;tac .bash_history      :)
[05:15] <Jucato> oh
[05:15] <Jucato> cat backwards...
[05:15] <Jucato>  @_@
[05:15] <Tm_T> Broxtor: :)
[05:15] <waylandbill> Jucato: mine was going on 6 months until my daughter shut it down for no reason. :-D
[05:15] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Mine is 350 thousand lines long :)
[05:16] <intelikey> ~.xs* file not found  :)
[05:16] <Jucato> DaSkreech: better find someone whose log is shorter...
[05:16] <Jucato> mine starts to stall whenever I try to copy something...
[05:16] <Jucato> sorry
[05:16] <waylandbill> which log file is that?
[05:17] <Jucato> ~/.xsession-errors
[05:18] <berkes> hello. anyone in for help with a little tuning or so?
[05:18] <intelikey> i'd say it should turncate at 500 lines    but that's just an opinion
[05:18] <waylandbill> mine is always filled with "uninitialized input device 166" after an apt-get.. no idea how to fix it.
[05:18] <berkes> As of a sudden my system became very slow. Funny thing is that rebooting helps.
[05:19] <berkes> but i'd rather find what process(es) slow it down so much. Top is not very helfull, it only tells me that my system is slow.
[05:19] <intelikey> berkes most likely cron was running the scripts to update the databases and rotate the log files.
[05:19] <berkes> intelikey: nope.
[05:20] <Jucato> berkes: have you tried Ctrl+Esc (System Monitor)?
[05:20] <berkes> Jucato: i prefer 'top'
[05:20] <Jucato> ok
[05:20] <berkes> but as said: i cannot find a process that is eating CPU. there seems none.
[05:21] <berkes> I think there is some weird disc access issue.
[05:21] <waylandbill> I was going to suggest 'top' as well
[05:21] <berkes> I played with 'lsof' already, but that does not tell me whether or not there is an app with loads of disc access either.
[05:21] <intelikey> acpi cpu scalling ?
[05:21] <Jucato> maybe not CPU usage, how about memory usage?
[05:22] <berkes> intelikey: hmm. could be, though I doubt it. Esp because my fan is not running even.
[05:22] <Tokeiito> hello
[05:22] <Tokeiito> why i'm geting this essage: The following packages have been kept back. After apt-get upgrade?
[05:22] <berkes> Jucato: yea, i ordered by mem usage, but that did not tell me a lot either. I suspect some memory leak though.
[05:22] <intelikey> berkes fan wouldn't be running if acpi thought it should be sleeping
[05:23] <ccc_> Hobbsee: are those amarok 1.4.2 packages of yours dapper-friendly? are they public/tested?
[05:23] <berkes> intelikey: how do I see the throttle status?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ccc_: they're for edgy only so far, another guy's doing the dapper ones.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ccc_: they are public, and are tested a bit, yes
[05:23] <ccc_> Hobbsee: ok :) cheers
[05:23] <berkes> Jucato: do you know if I can search/order by the amount of swap a process uses?
[05:23] <intelikey> berkes not sure.  /proc/cpuinfo might change...  but there should be some sort of app.
[05:24] <intelikey> Tokeiito try dist-upgrade in place of upgrade
[05:24] <berkes> intelikey: interesting. Would it be "cpuid level     : 2" ?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Can someone help me to reconfig startx to point at fluxbox?
[05:25] <Tokeiito> thank you
[05:25] <berkes> intelikey: klaptop (a little app in my dok) tells me the throttle is 00%. Though i distrust that klaptop app a little. It does not really work all that well.
[05:26] <intelikey> berkes hmmm   idk.
[05:26] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: fluxbox in the .xinitrc?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: right. Where do I put that?
[05:27] <berkes> hmm. looking at df -h I see a range of weird mounts.
[05:27] <waylandbill> in the home folder
[05:27] <DaSkreech> can I have a ~/.xinitrc ?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> That makes no sense to me :(
[05:27] <berkes> varrun -> /var/run | varlock -> /var/lock
[05:27] <intelikey> DaSkreech .dmrc  or .xsession   or .xinitrc   yes
[05:27] <DaSkreech> How would it know which home folder to look in?
[05:27] <berkes> and some others.
[05:27] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: that's exactly right
[05:27] <DaSkreech> So I have to login first then startx ?
[05:27] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: current user
[05:27] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[05:28] <berkes> I had a failed klik:// earlier on, and I know klik does something with mounts.
[05:28] <waylandbill> right... otherwise you'd be using a greeter and would have fluxbox as one of the sessions
[05:28] <intelikey> berkes yeah those var*  and dev* mounts piss me off   i always fix that on my system
[05:28] <DaSkreech> xinitrc doesn't have a man what's the structure of it?
[05:28] <berkes> intelikey: is that a kubuntu feature?
[05:29] <cozomo> does the nvidia splash screen come up on kubuntu?
[05:29] <waylandbill> first line is the command to use to init the X session
[05:29] <DaSkreech> hi craig
[05:29] <intelikey> berkes it's a *buntu feature yes
[05:29] <craig> hi
[05:29] <DaSkreech> which is .Xsession?
[05:29] <berkes> intelikey: and lrm ->  /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/volatile too?
[05:29] <intelikey> yep
[05:29] <craig> go here http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org    FOR EVERY SINGLE PLUGIN YOU COULD EVER WANT IN ONE PROGRAM!!!!!
[05:30] <fdoving> craig: easy on the caps.
[05:30] <berkes> WHY DO WE WANT PLUGINS!!!
[05:30] <berkes> ??
[05:30] <berkes> :)
[05:30] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: no. the .xinitrc
[05:30] <Mehercle> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[05:30] <Mehercle> help
[05:31] <craig> to play MP3's, WMA, Real Player, quicktime etc
[05:31] <berkes> craig: sorry, but why do you need plugins for that?
[05:31] <craig> to play media files
[05:31] <berkes> craig: just install the proper packages...
[05:32] <waylandbill> you mean codecs
[05:32] <intelikey> ooops modem reset.
 berkes if you know shell scripting   those are set in the init
[05:32] <intelikey>             scripts /etc/init.d/{mountverts,mountall}   iirc
[05:32] <craig> why do that when you can do it in one simple line of code!!
[05:33] <berkes> intelikey: yea. I was looking at the init scripts. I am still a bit reluctant to go hack these without knowing why *buntu does all this weird mouning.
[05:33] <fdoving> !easyubuntu
[05:33] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:33] <edulix> hey when are we getting amarok 1.4.2 in kubuntu? ;)
[05:33] <edulix> (hello!)
[05:33] <intelikey> berkes yeah i stand under you.
[05:34] <Goop2> how do I make Firefox my default browser?
[05:34] <berkes> right, but if its a *buntu feature, then I doubt that is causing my systme slowness :)
[05:34] <intelikey> prefered applications ?
[05:34] <fdoving> craig: we do not encourage people to use easyubuntu. please take your advertising campain to #easyubuntu . thanks :)
[05:34] <fritsch> jprenaud: still there?
[05:34] <jprenaud> fritsch: oh yes
[05:34] <berkes> is there some app/command/tool to look at disc IO ?
[05:34] <fritsch> jprenaud: tried it, got it go only ONCE of 4
[05:34] <fdoving> edulix: it's beeing packaged. edgy will have it shortly. dapper a bit later.
[05:34] <craig> i am sooo sorry I didnt know
[05:34] <Goop2> uh.. where would I find that? :\
[05:35] <fritsch> jprenaud: won`t use the dapper powersave version any longer ... sucks (at least for me)
[05:35] <waylandbill> Goop2, system settings, kde components
[05:35] <fritsch> jprenaud: suspend2ram works reliable, but suspend2 - no go
[05:35] <Goop2> k kewl
[05:35] <intelikey> berkes we hope not!    but judging from the official update of xserver-xorg-core  that broke everybodies X one never knows....
[05:35] <jprenaud> fritsch: so what is the score?
[05:35] <fritsch> jprenaud: i use klaptopdaemon again, this uses "normal" acpi scripts
[05:35] <fritsch> jprenaud: klaptopdaemon 200/200 kpowersave 1/4
[05:36] <fritsch> jprenaud: clear :-)
[05:36] <Goop2> intelikey: wow do you ever sleep?
[05:36] <jprenaud> fritsch: certainly. can you configure klaptop to uses suspend or does the patched acpi do that?
[05:36] <fritsch> jprenaud: klaptop just uses the acpi scripts
[05:36] <jprenaud> fritsch: i mean suspend2 for suspend2disk
[05:37] <fritsch> jprenaud: the ubuntu installed ones (/etc/acpi/sleep.sh | /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh)
[05:37] <intelikey> Goop2 i sleep a lot.   you never know when i'll be asleep.   i might be asleep right now, how would you know the differance ?
[05:37] <fritsch> jprenaud: klaptop uses suspend2 out of the box, just klick hibernate
[05:37] <intelikey> :)
[05:37] <fritsch> jprenaud: -> afk
[05:37] <waylandbill> lol
[05:37] <Goop2> :P
[05:38] <intelikey> Goop2 i might ask how you would know if i was here unless you were here    :)
[05:38] <craig> I have managed to set up Dreamweaver using wine
[05:38] <waylandbill> intelikey: slower and/or non-intelligible answers would be the dead give away. ;-)
[05:38] <craig> :-)
[05:39] <Goop2> intelikey: I been asleep the last 8 hours though :P
[05:39] <sitara> help please! my system did not start properly this morning. it just opens the console and asks me to log on there
[05:39] <intelikey> waylandbill in my case i'm not sure people would notice.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: so I can just do my #!/bin/sh thing then have the line fluxbox afterwards
[05:39] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: yeah. that should work.
[05:40] <waylandbill> sitara: did it run the x server ever before?
[05:40] <fdoving> sitara: login and run the following two commands: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u upgrade'
[05:41] <sitara> waylandbill: yes, it's been working perfectly. I don't know what happened.
[05:41] <Goop2> intelikey: there ARE logs btw
[05:41] <Goop2> intelikey: not that I use them :P
[05:41] <sitara> fdoving: ok I'll try it
[05:41] <fdoving> sitara: that would update your system with the fixed xserver packages. the problem is a bad security update that broke your graphical environment.
[05:41] <intelikey> sitara login there and run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        then when that finishes run  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      and startx     if that's too much for you ask someone else.
[05:42] <intelikey> sitara fdoving may be right about the reconfigure not being needed.   try to startx without it first.
[05:42] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Didn't work
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Want my xsession-errors log?
[05:43] <fdoving> sitara, intelikey: startx is not needed, use 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' instead.
[05:43] <Goop2> !intelikey
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelikey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <fdoving> DaSkreech: what is the problem?
[05:43] <Goop2> hehe
[05:43] <Rimpe> doese cedega work on 64bit kubuntu
[05:43] <intelikey> fdoving running kdm is not needed  you can just startx
[05:43] <intelikey> :)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> fdoving: The immeadeate problem orthe over all one?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Please ignore terrible typing errors
[05:47] (fritsch/#kubuntu) fdoving: lol *G* hehe
[05:47] (intelikey/#kubuntu) this is not "M$ reboot 101"   this is linux;   at least at it's core it still is.
[05:47] (waylandbill/#kubuntu) DaSkreech: put #!/bin/sh and "exec startfluxbox" on second line
[05:47] (jprenaud/#kubuntu) fritsch: trying hibernate from klaptop just now...
[05:47] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) waylandbill: I did
[05:47] (fdoving/#kubuntu) sitara: it's not something you've done wrong. It was a terrible mistake by the ones publishing the security update without making sure it worked for everyone.
[05:47] (fritsch/#kubuntu) jprenaud: good luck
[05:48] (fdoving/#kubuntu) DaSkreech: shoot :)
[05:48] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Ok My X crashes without any errors
[05:48] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Whatever fix you can throw at me I've probably tried it
[05:48] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I'm pretty muching thinking that klauncher is screwed adn is killing my X session
[05:48] <DaSkreech> muching :)
[05:48] <timonator> hello
[05:48] <fdoving> fritsch: i like your eagerness :)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> hi timonator
[05:49] <sitara> fdoving: yes, thanks. it had me worried for a while. thank goodness i had another box and at least know enuogh to use irc!
[05:49] <intelikey> muching eeh
[05:49] <timonator> im hanging on the phone with my aunt
[05:49] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: can you just put "xterm" in your xinitrc?
[05:49] <fritsch> fdoving: what is eagerness?
[05:49] <timonator> it seems like their X server isnt starting
[05:49] <DaSkreech> I'll try
[05:49] <cannonball> h3sp4wn: Is sysv-rc-conf a shell script?  It's not in his path.
[05:49] <timonator> they only get the shell
[05:49] <fritsch> fdoving: i have a look
[05:49] <fdoving> DaSkreech: how does it die? when does it die? what does the logs say? did you strace the process with -o and check the logs?
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> cannonball: You need to install it (its a perl script)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Everythign but strace :)
[05:50] <timonator> how do i manually start the x server on kubuntu?
[05:50] <DaSkreech> fdoving: The only log that has errors is the ~/.xsession-errors log
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> cannonball: installed to /usr/sbin - so may not be in the path of a user (only root)
[05:50] <DaSkreech> timonator: startx
[05:50] <timonator> mhm
[05:50] <fdoving> fritsch: no clue, a word i guessed existed. 'the state of beeing eager' - sharp, keen, and so on. :)
[05:50] <cannonball> h3sp4wn: yeah, he's root.  Thanks.
[05:50] <waylandbill> timonator: startx (or start the kdm greeter)
[05:50] <fritsch> fdoving: hehe
[05:50] <intelikey> timonator fix the bug first.
[05:50] <fdoving> DaSkreech: what errors does it have?
[05:50] <DaSkreech> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21430
[05:50] <timonator> well
[05:51] <timonator> in the phone
[05:51] <fdoving> DaSkreech: looking..
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Drat :) I was trying to beat you to the question :)
[05:51] <Goop2> .pmvv
[05:51] <Goop2> erm..*
[05:51] <intelikey> timonator fix the bug  by updating the xserver-xorg-core
[05:51] <Goop2> this is weird..
[05:51] <Goop2> 'mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/libming/fonts': No such file or directory'
[05:51] <timonator> intelikey: ok. how? :(
[05:51] <fritsch> fdoving: okay looked it up, thx
[05:51] <intelikey> sitara login there and run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:51] <intelikey> timonator  ^
[05:52] <timonator> ok
[05:52] <timonator> thx
[05:52] <fdoving> DaSkreech: line 346: 10736 Bus error ..
[05:52] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: xterm works
[05:52] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Si
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Whats that about?
[05:52] <fdoving> DaSkreech: don't know, have to lookup line 346.. hang on.
[05:53] <DaSkreech> fdoving: that's the startkde script if I'm not mistaken
[05:53] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: means the xserver seems to run ok
[05:53] <jprenaud> fritsch: does not work. i get the suspend2 usplash process bar but the machine is left locked, that's all...
[05:53] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Yeah as I said it has no errors so it's something that it is calling
[05:53] <diana_> someone 's got time and fun to help out a dodo installing a nvidia legacy driver?
[05:53] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yes.
[05:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: you have uninstalled powersave completely?
[05:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: that` s very odd though
[05:54] <fritsch> jprenaud: just try running: sudo hibernate
[05:54] <DaSkreech> fdoving, waylandbill: If it helps I just ran fluxbox in the xterm and it threw a bus error
[05:54] <fdoving> DaSkreech: do you have a clean /tmp ?
[05:54] <intelikey> diana_ i can point you at the wiki
[05:54] <jprenaud> fritsch: i left powersavelibs, powersaved is not running
[05:54] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: ouch
[05:54] <fdoving> DaSkreech: so fluxbox doesn't work either?
[05:54] <intelikey> !ati > diana_
[05:54] <tackat> hi, please vote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0821200617613
[05:54] <tackat> :)
[05:54] <DaSkreech> No the maid comes on thursdays
[05:55] <Goop2> Im having trouble running a very simple installation :\
[05:55] <DaSkreech> fdoving: *shrugs*
[05:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: uninstall please
[05:55] <diana_> thanks
[05:55] <DaSkreech> I just installed it cause it's small. I've never had it work before but preliminary reports seem to indicate that yes it is also screwed
[05:55] <fritsch> jprenaud: und just try sudo hibernate
[05:55] <fritsch> DaSkreech: x-session-manager
[05:56] <DaSkreech> xclock also throws a bus error
[05:56] <fritsch> DaSkreech: dpkg -S does not tell to which package this belongs ...
[05:56] <jprenaud> fritsch: will do just now. do i need to tick "use software suspend for hibernate" in laptop and power system settings?
[05:56] <fdoving> DaSkreech: do you have enought free space?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> fritsch: It's a pointer to /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager which on my system points to startkde
[05:56] <fritsch> jprenaud: no, please just try sudo hibernate
[05:56] <DaSkreech> fdoving: ...
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Umm
[05:56] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you there?
[05:57] <fritsch> DaSkreech: seen it, have it, too
[05:57] <fritsch> DaSkreech: tried purging all xserver stuff and reinstall?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> fdoving: 6.0 gb on the / and 7.5 gb on the /home
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Should be enough?
[05:57] <fritsch> DaSkreech: because of "wasted" libs or what i know ...
[05:57] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Yes
[05:57] <fdoving> DaSkreech: what about /tmp ?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> fdoving: What about it?
[05:58] <waylandbill> is there room in it
[05:58] <jprenaud> fritsch: ok, have uninstalled powersaved10 libs and will try sudo hibernate...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Yes it's on /
[05:58] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ok.
[05:58] <timonator> is an sshd automagically set up and running on boot time
[05:58] <DaSkreech> No twm >_<
[05:58] <fritsch> DaSkreech: if you only start X, you get a crash without error, too?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> timonator: Not if you didn't install it
[05:59] <timonator> hmm
[05:59] <fritsch> DaSkreech: just start X as root?
[05:59] <timonator> :/
[05:59] <timonator> k
[05:59] <DaSkreech> fritsch: using the defaults yes
[05:59] <intelikey> jprenaud dpkg -S /path/file.name   will print  a line that tells what package installed the file.   if it indeed was installed with a package and not created by some app
[05:59] <fritsch> DaSkreech: this works?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21402
[05:59] <DaSkreech> I meant that for fritsch
[06:00] <fritsch> DaSkreech: tried with the vesa driver instead of the radeon one?
[06:00] <dhq> can any one help me with wifi
[06:00] <fdoving> DaSkreech: enought free ram?..
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Should i have 700
[06:00] <DaSkreech> +
[06:00] <fritsch> dhq: depends, just friggled the whole morning with ndiswrapper
[06:00] <fritsch> dhq: what do you want to do?
[06:01] <fritsch> DaSkreech: tried vesa driver?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> fritsch: yes
[06:01] <intelikey> hehhe kubuntu will run in 64m ram and no swap.
[06:01] <fritsch> DaSkreech: working?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> fritsch: No
[06:01] <fritsch> DaSkreech: bad :-)
[06:01] <eeos> hi there
[06:01] <fritsch> eeos: hi, wecloem back
[06:01] <waylandbill> I'd almost say to purge the xserver and reinstall it.
[06:01] <jprenaud> fritsch: suspend2 failed http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21484
[06:02] <fritsch> waylandbill: was my idea too, but he already did
[06:02] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: I removed it and reinstalled and redid the config
[06:02] <waylandbill> :-/
[06:02] <eeos> the package avcodec (included in ffmpeg) has been apparently compiled with wrong flags for amd64. how do I fix it?
[06:02] <eeos> fritsch hi fitsch!
[06:02] <fritsch> jprenaud: you are using fglrx?
[06:02] <jprenaud> fritsch: nope
[06:02] <intelikey> DaSkreech let me poke around here a minute.    will X run by it's self ?
[06:03] <fritsch> jprenaud: pastebin lspci, please
[06:03] <DaSkreech> fdoving, fritsch, waylandbill: also randomly when I startx I get an error that ksmserver could not be started
[06:03] <fritsch> jprenaud: [17184652.504000]  Could not suspend device 3-1: error -16 <- this is the problem
[06:03] <pingun> hi, i ve just sitched from gentoo to kubuntu and have the problem: There is no OCR in kpdf. I ve installed gocr already. Anybody there for help?
[06:03] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I have Xterm running
[06:03] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did you run memtest?
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> eeos: You could try building all the ffmpeg stuff from debian-multimedia (its less restricted)
[06:03] <fritsch> DaSkreech: you f*** it up
[06:03] <fritsch> DaSkreech: dpkg-reconfigure -a (have fun)
[06:03] <fritsch> DaSkreech: dpkg-reconfigure --force-all -a
[06:03] <fritsch> DaSkreech: this will reinstall every single package and overwrite to the default config
[06:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech what happens when you type fluxbox in xterm ?
[06:04] <eeos> h3sp4wn how?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Let me give you a little history. I did an update on Sunday and afterwards everything that had a panel simply had the message klauncher could not be contacted
[06:04] <jprenaud> fritsch: lspci: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21486 . how do you identify the relevant device?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> So after a bit I restarted and then X wouldn't come up and I started debuggin
[06:04] <Goop2> quick question: would an old hard drive make my internet slow? would it slow down the boot time?
[06:04] <waylandbill> intelikey: he gets a bus error
[06:04] <fritsch> jprenaud: your first log said it ...
[06:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I get a bus error
[06:04] <DaSkreech> same for xclock
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Goop2: No unless you are strapped for RAM, YES!
[06:05] <jprenaud> fritsch: yes but what is device 3-1
[06:05] <id_sonic> Hi
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> eeos: Have a mess around with it add the deb-src line for amd64 (remove all the ubuntu packages) or just build it yourself from cvs (but that is pretty time consuming)
[06:05] <id_sonic> What is the Best PHP editor on KDE?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Smells like time to try out that new 6.06.1 CD ?
[06:05] <timonator> does anyone know about the hewlet packard psc1510? or how to get drivers and such in (k)ubuntu? i come from compile-your-own-kernel-world...
[06:05] <DaSkreech> id_sonic: emacs!
[06:06] <pingun> id_sonic: quanta!
[06:06] <waylandbill> id_sonic: vim ;-)
[06:06] <eeos> h3sp4wn I would rather jus compile the ffmpeg package
[06:06] <timonator> ed!
[06:06] <fritsch> DaSkreech: no
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Notepad!! *looks around*
[06:06] <Goop2> DaSkreech: in that case.. I wonder why I have such a slow conection on Kubuntu but not on Windows... :\
[06:06] <fritsch> DaSkreech: dpkg-reconfigure --force-all -a
[06:06] <intelikey> ok that sounds like you still have xserver-xorg-core bugs    maybe "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "     just to make sure you have the latest.
[06:06] <DaSkreech> *backs away slowly*
[06:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: mmh
[06:06] <intelikey> DaSkreech ^
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: dpkg -iGREB /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb (when all else fails that can help)
[06:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: did "standard" suspend work for you?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I have 10.4
[06:06] <fritsch> jprenaud: do you have mysql server running?
[06:06] <DaSkreech>  The Xserver throws no errors
[06:07] <pingun> anybody there for my kpdf problem?
[06:07] <fritsch> DaSkreech: do, what i suggested, afterwards you can reinstall if you want
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm killing xterm
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> eeos: So build it from cvs or debian-multimedia
[06:07] <diana_> maid: how can i access the "restricted" section of the Ubuntu package repository in kubuntu?
[06:07] <jprenaud> fritsch: no mysql. standard suspend did work but slow compared to suspend2 (when it works)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> fritsch: That still doesn't tell me what went wrong
[06:07] <id_sonic> I want the PHP editor build for qt.
[06:07] <timonator> intelikey: thanks for the support :)
[06:07] <fritsch> jprenaud: i don` t know which device this is :-(
[06:07] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Most likely I'd get back to KDE and still have a kluancher problem
[06:07] <fritsch> DaSkreech: reinstall does not either
[06:07] <intelikey> timonator think nothing of it.
[06:07] <DaSkreech> launcher
[06:08] <fritsch> DaSkreech: try
[06:08] <DaSkreech> id_sonic: quanta
[06:08] <DaSkreech> !quanta
[06:08] <timonator> my aunt was like "now theres something about kumbuktu loohgien and the screen is all black" :/
[06:08] <fritsch> jprenaud: something special plugged in?
[06:08] <fritsch> jprenaud: usb device?
[06:09] <intelikey> why this from kernel source     make: *** No rule to make target `modules-install'.  Stop.
[06:09] <fritsch> jprenaud: pleae give me /var/log/hibernate.log
[06:09] <intelikey> kernel kernel, who knows the kernel ?
[06:09] <waylandbill> timonator: that's a strong accent. :-D
[06:10] <timonator> waylandbill: she tried to pronounce login as german
[06:10] <jprenaud> fritsch: hey fritsh, i think i am going to fall back to what i had, i.e. powersaved but with your switch vt stuff. any idea how to undo the changes (suspend2, acpi, hibernate...)
[06:10] <fritsch> jprenaud: still there?
[06:10] <jprenaud> fritsch: /var/log/hibernate.log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21488
[06:10] <fdoving> intelikey: check the makefile.
[06:10] <eeos> h3sp4wn what is debian multimedia
[06:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: what wireless do you use?
[06:11] <jprenaud> fritsch: ipw2200
[06:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: what did "dmesg" say?
[06:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: giv me a dmesg please
[06:11] <fritsch> jprenaud: you gave me? the one above?
[06:12] <intelikey> fdoving what am i looking for in there ?
[06:13] <intelikey> gimmy a pharse i can search for ???
[06:13] <fdoving> intelikey: the make targets. if you can find 'modules-install'
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> eeos: repository for debian for things of questionable legality
[06:13] <eeos> h3sp4wn :D
[06:14] <h3sp4wn> eeos: (like ffmpeg / mplayer etc)
[06:14] <eeos> h3sp4wn why should the legality of ffmpeg be questioned?
[06:14] <diana_> how can i access the "restricted" section of the Ubuntu package repository in kubuntu?
[06:14] <intelikey> fdoving something like this  "modules_install: _modinst_ _modinst_post"
[06:14] <intelikey> ?
[06:14] <fdoving> intelikey: then the maketartget is modules_install
[06:14] <h3sp4wn> eeos: Because it is illegal (because of patents etc)
[06:15] <intelikey> yeah   what are you saying?   did i typo ?
[06:15] <fdoving> intelikey: s/-/_/g
[06:15] <eeos> h3sp4wn ffmpeg, used in commercial products, is illegal?
[06:15] <intelikey> i did typo  hehhe ty.
[06:15] <h3sp4wn> eeos: Maybe there is a ubuntu equivalent but I don't know of one
[06:16] <baldi> hi
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> eeos: I don't know the entirety of it but if you don't pay certain people you can't do it legally
[06:17] <baldi> is there any german kubuntu chan on this server?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Gimmie a moment I'm trying to see if my repos got the new xserver yet
[06:17] <DaSkreech> !de
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Bah!
[06:17] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu-de
[06:17] <Jucato> ehehe
[06:17] <Jucato> whatda?
[06:17] <baldi> thx
[06:17] <Jucato> are the bots on strike?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> I think they are
[06:17] <Jucato>  @_@
[06:18] <intelikey> seem to be Jucato
[06:18] <boss302> what are the linux-headers packages?  I understand what source is, but what's a header?
[06:18] <fritsch> boss302: just the heards
[06:18] <visik7> headers to compile external modules
[06:18] <fritsch> boss302: they are sufficant to compile a nvidia driver or sth. else
[06:18] <eeos> h3sp4wn where can i find information on it?
[06:18] <fritsch> boss302: you don`t nee d the whole source which is very big to have installed
[06:18] <boss302> fritsch that's what i am triyng to do... i installed the headers, but it still wants the source
[06:19] <visik7> boss302: who ?
[06:19] <boss302> the nvidia installer thing
[06:19] <intelikey> Jucato it was a walk out;   -:- SignOff ubotu: #kubuntu (Connection timed out) -:- SignOff Ubugtu: #kubuntu (Connection timed out)  ^^^
[06:19] <Jucato> hehehe
[06:19] <fritsch> boss302: you downloaded the nvidia installer from the nvidia.com page?
[06:19] <fritsch> boss302: instellaed the correct headers?
[06:20] <fritsch> boss302: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:20] <boss302> k, let me double check
[06:21] <bashee> is it possible to choose lilo instead of grub as boot loader during the ubuntu dapper drake desktop installation process?
[06:21] <Jucato> bashee: nope
[06:22] <waylandbill> bashee: no, but you can replace it after
[06:22] <boss302> oh! I see... I think I had an older header version installed... thanks...
[06:22] <dr_willis> bashee,  with the alternative install cd. ya MIGHt be able to do it from a console during the install.. but never tried.
[06:22] <dr_willis> Grub blows Lilo away in so many areas.
[06:23] <fritsch> dr_willis: don` t think so
[06:23] <bashee> on my new macbook the installation process just says something like "could not install grub"
[06:23] <fritsch> dr_willis: it can boot on a mac, but what is better?
[06:23] <fritsch> dr_willis: grub has a mighty shell you can change initrd stuff, etc.
[06:23] <fritsch> dr_willis: not possible with lilo either
[06:24] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[06:24] <dr_willis> fritsch,  i so you are agreeing with me that GRUB > lilo then?
[06:24] <dr_willis> :)
[06:24] <dr_willis> which is what i said?
[06:24] <fritsch> dr_willis: yes :-)
[06:24] <fritsch> dr_willis: need sleep, much sleep, sorry
[06:24] <dr_willis> Lol.
[06:25] <larson9999> grub, lilo not much of a diff in my mind
[06:25] <fritsch> larson9999: hehe
[06:25] <fritsch> larson9999: try it
[06:25] <larson9999> fritsch: i have at least one computer using each at all times
[06:26] <fritsch> larson9999: okay, lets say you "handedited" initrd in lilo+
[06:27] <fritsch> mmmh away
[06:27] <larson9999> wrong x
[06:28] <bashee> ist it rEFIt i have to use to get the macbook booted with ubuntu?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> fritsch: can you throw me that command again?
[06:30] <fritsch> sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force-all -a
[06:31] <DaSkreech> fritsch: doesn't work
[06:31] <fritsch> what does he tell?
[06:31] <fdoving> DaSkreech: hey.. try to chmod /tmp/.ICE-unix to 777 if it isn't already.
[06:31] <fritsch> DaSkreech: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[06:32] <DaSkreech> fdoving: There is no .ICE-unix
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Wait Hold on :-)
[06:32] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ta-da!
[06:32] <Goop2> Im trying to install something and Im getting this error: mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/libming/fonts': No such file or directory
[06:33] <fdoving> DaSkreech: /etc/init.d/xorg-common restart
[06:33] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Right there is no .ICE-unix
[06:33] <dr_willis> Goop2,  if /usr/share/kibming dont exist. make it first
[06:34] <Goop2> dr_willis: alright, Ill see if that helps :)
[06:35] <dr_willis> theres some mkdir option that makes all the subdirs as well.. but i forget the name
[06:35] <DaSkreech> egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Waht does that mean?
[06:35] <waylandbill> dr_willis: mkdir -p
[06:36] <DaSkreech> That error gets thrown all the time
[06:36] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: means the return value != NULL
[06:37] <larson9999> can you make a 'real' pc hibernate like a laptop?
[06:37] <sledge_from_work> Goop2: use mkdir -p
[06:38] <drbreen> larson9999: yes. under kubuntu use "klaptop_acpi_helper --hibernate" or something
[06:38] <Goop2> hmm.. well this auto install thingy just isnt working out.. I guess its all manual then :P
[06:38] <waylandbill> Goop2, whatcha installing?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Can I just say yes to all of these questions? are they package defaults or kubuntu default?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> fritsch: I feel like I'm installing gentoo :(
[06:40] <fritsch> DaSkreech: no :-) please think
[06:40] <fritsch> DaSkreech: this is a very low leve though
[06:40] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Blast
[06:41] <Goop2> waylandbill: qtflash
[06:41] <DaSkreech> hi aseigo
[06:41] <Mehercle> arts soundserver is crashinng all the time
[06:41] <Mehercle> on a fresh install
[06:41] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Where are my repositories
[06:41] <waylandbill> installing Gentoo is simple. make && make coffee. :-)
[06:42] <Goop2> lol
[06:42] <DaSkreech> /var/lib/cvs is ok?
[06:42] <fdoving> DaSkreech: restarting xorg-common and starting X didn't help?
[06:43] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: that default for cvs should be okay unless you have your cvs repos somewhere else
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I am now
[06:44] <Jucato> hehe! I forgot to tell you something. SillyZ says hello
[06:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: <SillyZ>	if ya run into him tell em sillyz says heya
[06:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ahhh nice.  I haven't seen him in ages
[06:45] <Jucato> he says you go way back during the Mandrake days
[06:46] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Sorry?
[06:46] <Mehercle> arts is crashing all the time
[06:47] <fdoving> DaSkreech: your x/klauncher/fluxbox problem?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Right?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> What about xorg-common?
[06:47] <fritsch> DaSkreech: been through dpkg-reconfigure -a? :-) :-)
[06:47] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yes we do.  He was one of the first people to help me when I first got online here on Freenode nearly 5 years ago
[06:48] <DaSkreech> fritsch: No still going
[06:48] <Jucato> wow ^_^
[06:48] <fritsch> DaSkreech: wait till finished
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Why do I have a FDmount? :(
[06:49] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did you restart it? 'sudo /etc/init.d/xorg-common restart' now, check that you get /tmp/.ICE-unix and /tmp.X11-unix and then try again.
[06:49] <DaSkreech> fritsch: What dir do I use for the flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:49] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: nostalgia
[06:49] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I've been restartign the entire computer all the time we'ev been talking so I would say yes :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Well if my computer is too new to know what a floppy is how does that help? :-)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> fritsch: ping :)
[06:50] <fritsch> DaSkreech: pong
[06:50] <waylandbill> nothing fits on a fd anymore... or so it seems
[06:50] <DaSkreech> fritsch: It's asking for the directory I extracted the flashplugin to. Where is that?
[06:50] <exotic> fritsch:sorry again! lol, any recommended download accelerator?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: fluxbox does
[06:50] <fritsch> keep it empty
[06:51] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:51] <waylandbill> rofl
[06:51] <fritsch> DaSkreech: it will download
[06:51] <fdoving> DaSkreech: do you have /tmp/.ICE-unix and /tmp/.X11-unix then? and are they world writeable?
[06:51] <fritsch> exotic: hehe, no idea
[06:51] <DaSkreech> fdoving: nope /tmp/ is pretty much empty except for a dir with a funky name
[06:51] <Mehercle> hello
[06:51] <DaSkreech> exotic: kget?
[06:51] <Mehercle> my arts soundserver is crashing all the time
[06:51] <Jucato> hm.... Hawkwind, is there no one capable of bringing the bots back? I think they went on strike or walked out..
[06:51] <DaSkreech> !sound
[06:51] <fritsch> Mehercle: which kde version?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Argh!
[06:52] <Mehercle> 3.5.3
[06:52] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did you -try- to run 'sudo /etc/init.d/xorg-common start' ?
[06:52] <fritsch> Mehercle: try the 3.5.4 release
[06:52] <Mehercle> it was buggy here
[06:52] <Mehercle> i'll try it
[06:52] <DaSkreech> fdoving: No shouldn't restarting do that anyway?
[06:52] <fritsch> Mehercle: no don` t if it was buggy
[06:52] <eduard_> Hi, can anyone help me with a conky configuration question?
[06:52] <Mehercle> yes, but this is a clean install
[06:52] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yes, but just try, please?
[06:53] <waylandbill> Mehercle: older system?
[06:53] <eduard_> I have a conkyrc file including a line to retrieve unseen email.
[06:53] <Mehercle> not really
[06:53] <fdoving> DaSkreech: as they should make the stuff in /tmp/ something must have gone wrong somewhere in the progress.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I'm in the middle of a dpk-reconfigure -a I'll do it as soon as this doesn't work :)
[06:53] <Mehercle> it was working
[06:53] <Mehercle> until i reinstalled
[06:53] <exotic> DaSkreech:kget?
[06:53] <eduard_> As i have typed "*" as password in this file, when loading conky it should ask me for the email account password
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That would probably need to be addressed to Seveas as he is in control of the bots
[06:54] <waylandbill> Mehercle: install media is verified good?
[06:54] <Jucato> oh
[06:54] <eduard_>  But it doesn't. Instead, conky starts and it doesn't show anything at all related to my unseen email messages. Then, if i type in console "conky", it immediately asks me for the password and starts conky correctly showing unseen email messages. I don't know what to do
[06:54] <Mehercle> waylandbill: don't know
[06:54] <waylandbill> Mehercle: should checksum it to be sure.
[06:54] <DaSkreech> exotic: k frontend for wget which is awwwwwwsum!
[06:55] <Mehercle> waylandbill: how?
[06:56] <Goop2> hmmm.. I tried installing that thing agian, after making that directory, but it said it couldent install because another directory was already there.. I removed that part of the auto installer and it gives me some more errors
[06:56] <Mehercle> waylandbill: in 3.5.4 arts is not modified
[06:56] <exotic> DaSkreech:where can i get it?
[06:57] <fdoving> bye fritsch.
[06:57] <DaSkreech> exotic: I may be wrong but i think it's installed already
[06:57] <exotic> DaSkreech:hang on a sec, i'll check it
[06:57] <Goop2> hmm.. well this is getting annoying.. maybe Ill just go see if Gentoo has a Live CD and try this agian later
[06:58] <waylandbill> Mehercle: you should be able to md5sum the cd device to get the install media's md5sum
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Goop2: korora (spelt wrong) is a gentoo live cd with xgl
[06:59] <Szczepan1990> Hi ;)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: which is now dead :(
[06:59] <Goop2> :\
[06:59] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Since when ?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Since he got sued
[07:00] <Goop2> ooh :\
[07:00] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Wow.  I hadn't heard about that.  That really bites
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Yeah. You can still use it but it's no longer maintained
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Ah .. Whats this about pango/defoma ?
[07:01] <waylandbill> Goop2. You trying to build that from source?
[07:01] <lancellor> hi
[07:01] <exotic> DaSkreech: works, thanx
[07:01] <Goop2> waylandbill: the install?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> exotic: cool :)
[07:01] <waylandbill> the qtflash
[07:02] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Where did you read this ?  There is nothing about it on the website
[07:02] <Szczepan1990> luuuuudziee! jest tu ktos z POLSKI!!??
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !pl
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Search for Korroa and linux kernel I'm sure you'll find stuff
[07:02] <exotic> DaSkreech: it's downloading now, but what's the default directory?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> Bahhh, no bot.  Forgot already
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: It was on his blog
[07:02] <Goop2> waylandbill: theres an install thingy right on it.. Im trying to use that but its not working
[07:02] <DaSkreech> exotic: *shrugs* you can set it I'm sure.
[07:02] <Goop2> waylandbill: if I knew how I would do it on my own
[07:03] <exotic> DaSkreech: i mean lol, just wget and the url , but no idea where it's downlaoding ! lol
[07:03] <exotic> DaSkreech:yeah i know,.. thanx anyway :)
[07:03] <Szczepan1990> HALOO!! apel do POLAKOW!! :) zapraszam na priv
[07:03] <DaSkreech> exotic: the cd
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Help him out :)
[07:03] <Goop2> waylandbill: although Im sure its patheticaly easy :P
[07:03] <exotic> DaSkreech:aha
[07:04] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Do you know anything about pango/defoma ?
[07:04] <lancellor> big problem i have my system trunning for like four months and last start booting up goes trugh the first stage and stop working just see the kubuntu blue at the beggining but stops there any suggestions???
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: That's you :)
[07:04] <waylandbill> Goop2, if the "installer" was for another distro, there may be differences
[07:04] <Jucato> ......
[07:04] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[07:04] <Jucato> thanks DaSkreech
[07:04] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:04] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: defoma manages fonts i think
[07:04] <Goop2> waylandbill: Im not sure.. I asume its for Linux in general
[07:04] <Jucato> i was doing something so I didn't notice. :-D
[07:05] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: ok so I should let pango point at defoma?
[07:05] <Hawkwind> Jucato: There should be no reason to downgrade anymore I don't think.  AFAIK all mirrors have the new updated package
[07:05] <waylandbill> Goop2, got a url where you got the installer?
[07:05] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Jucato: That's what the non pastewhores are here for ;)
[07:05] <lancellor> ok i will trey that its that a bug because yea i upgrade  my kubuntu
[07:05] <Goop2> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=142805
[07:05] <lancellor> and stop working
[07:05] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: what are you reconfiguring everything or something?
[07:06] <Jucato> lancellor: try checking if there's a new upgrade available
[07:06] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Yeah
[07:06] <Hawkwind> lancellor: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  right now should fix it
[07:06] <DaSkreech> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[07:06] <Goop2> hmm.. theres one that says "1386" and one that says "platform-independant"
[07:06] <Goop2> i386*
[07:06] <DaSkreech> and fritsch skipped ship like a wet rat :(
[07:06] <waylandbill> DaSkreech: LOL! Yeah I usually let defoma handle font management when asked... if that's the default.
[07:07] <Goop2> waylandbill: the "platform-independant" one is source.. I figured the other one would be easier.. I could be wrong though :P
[07:07] <lancellor> yea but i don't get all the way i'm going totry ctrl-alt delete  see if it getsme to command prompt
[07:07] <Goop2> waylandbill: er.. wait.. Im NVER wrong :P
[07:08] <Jucato> lancellor: Ctrl+Alt+F1 will get you to a command propmt
[07:08] <Jucato> prompt*
[07:08] <waylandbill> goop2, yeah.. the p/i is the source
[07:08] <lancellor> thanks that is what i ment let me try ok????
[07:08] <Jucato> sure
[07:08] <Goop2> waylandbill: should I use that one instead?
[07:09] <fdoving> DaSkreech: status on xorg-common?
[07:09] <waylandbill> you could if you have the dependencies needed to build it
[07:09] <Erich-K> What is another good start menu editor other than alacarte?
[07:09] <lancellor> thank you so much  you guys are great
[07:09] <DaSkreech> fdoving: still doing dpkg-reconfigure -a
[07:09] <DaSkreech> I'll ping you don't worry about it :)
[07:09] <Jucato> ??
[07:09] <fdoving> DaSkreech: reconfigure -a? why?
[07:09] <Jucato> Erich-K: Alacarte is for GNOME...
[07:10] <DaSkreech> cause fritsch is a wet rat
[07:10] <Erich-K> Do you know one for KDE?
[07:10] <fdoving> DaSkreech: without -plow it will basically go back to the state it was before you started, not asking any questions, or very few that is.
[07:10] <Jucato> Erich-K: KDE uses its own menu editor: kmenuedit (KDE Menu Editor)
[07:10] <Erich-K> Ah, right. Thanks mate
[07:11] <waylandbill> Goop2: if you have all the dependencies, the source should install pretty easily. if not, you'll be installing them first. :-0
[07:11] <DaSkreech> fdoving: ok Just did it
[07:11] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did the files appear in /tmp ?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> no change
[07:11] <DaSkreech> no
[07:12] <Erich-K> Should i update to KDE 3.5.3?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> I did get a gconfd-root and a orbit-root though
[07:13] <Jucato> Erich-K: if you want to. But I'd suggest stopping at KDE 3.5.3. KDE 3.5.4 is available, but I couldn't personally recommend it...
[07:13] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Those are directories
[07:13] <fdoving> DaSkreech: correct, are they there?
[07:13] <Goop2> waylandbill: ah.. well I think I have most of the installer stuff :)
[07:13] <DaSkreech> fdoving: yes
[07:13] <fdoving> DaSkreech: were they there before you restarted xorg-common?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> fdoving: nio
[07:14] <DaSkreech> no
[07:14] <DaSkreech> ubotu: !
[07:14] <draik> Hello everyone
[07:14] <DaSkreech> ubotu: Hello
[07:14] <lancellor> before i go other stupid question what about mepis since is base on ubuntu should i give it a try???
[07:14] <Jucato> they're back!
[07:14] <fdoving> DaSkreech: does kde work then?
[07:14] <Jucato> hi draik!
[07:14] <draik> Jucato
[07:15] <draik> again... a surprise
[07:15] <draik> General question to the channel...
[07:15] <Jucato> hehe! I'm preparing to log off ^_^
[07:15] <DaSkreech> fdoving: No
[07:15] <Jucato> draik: ?
[07:15] <draik> What does Knoppix 5 have that makes able to write to NTFS that Kubuntu does not have?
[07:15] <Jucato> draik: updated Fuse?
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Hello - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <draik> hmmmm
[07:16] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ok, then i have no clue. but anyway, you should make sure xorg-common is executed at boottime. as it does important stuff. 'sudo update-rc.d xorg-common defaults'
[07:16] <DaSkreech> uncultured bot
[07:16] <Jucato> lol
[07:16] <draik> DaSkreech, this thing is a hate machine
[07:16] <draik> !love
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about love - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> !info libntfs9 edgy
[07:16] <ubotu> Package libntfs9 does not exist in edgy
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> draik: ask dpkg about love (his answer is better)
[07:17] <DaSkreech> draik: I'ts a robot it can't love :-P
[07:17] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Did you check the line in startkde?
[07:17] <draik> h3sp4wn, how do you ask dpkg?
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> draik: "dpkg: love"  in #debian-bots
[07:18] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yes, it's exactly like mine, and mine works.
[07:18] <DaSkreech> yours doesn't throw a bus error though
[07:18] <draik> DaSkreech, some robots can love. Especially when you feed them information.
[07:18] <fdoving> DaSkreech: no,that's the difference. but i don't think startkde is the problem here.
[07:19] <draik> h3sp4wn, LOL
[07:19] <draik> ice weasels, huh?
[07:19] <Jucato> ok.. time to go to bed
[07:19] <fdoving> nite jucato.
[07:19] <Jucato> bye guys and gals!
[07:20] <draik> Jucato, the point to leaving is that you sign off, not back on!
[07:26] <satempler> how can I upgade ktorrent to the latest version
[07:27] <Ash-Fox> Could someone reccommend me decent wifi management software? I like kwifimanager, but it doesn't automatically connected to known networks or have a order of prefered networks etc.
[07:27] <satempler> !ktorrent
[07:27] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[07:28] <Ash-Fox> satempler, I suppose you could either, download the source and compile from scratch, or use the testing versions of kubuntu
[07:28] <satempler> ya
[07:28] <satempler> suppose
[07:29] <satempler> probly the later
[07:29] <satempler> lol
[07:31] <RawSewage> !w32
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <RawSewage> !realaudio
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realaudio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <RawSewage> !rm
[07:31] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:31] <RawSewage> !realplayer
[07:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> !dapper-commercial
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dapper-commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> !canocial-commercial
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about canocial-commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> !commercial
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: there is realplayer in the canocial dapper-commercial repository but I can't remember where its loacted
[07:32] <RawSewage> will w32codecs work
[07:33] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: you want realplayer 10 hang on...
[07:33] <RawSewage> no
[07:33] <RawSewage> god no
[07:33] <RawSewage> theres another way
[07:33] <RawSewage> I think w32codecs works
[07:33] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Know what bus xclock wuld be using?
[07:33] <RawSewage> all Im going to do is use mplayer to decode rm to wav
[07:33] <RawSewage> with   mplayer filename.rm -ao pcm:file=filename.wav
[07:34] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage:
[07:34] <TheGateKeeper>     wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[07:34] <TheGateKeeper>     sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[07:34] <TheGateKeeper> Note created Jun 22, 2006
[07:34] <RawSewage> Support for WMV, RealMedia and other formats has been bundled into the w32codecs package.
[07:34] <RawSewage> I'll just install  w32codecs package
[07:35] <RawSewage> Im not ready to give my computer to RealNetworks
[07:35] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage:
[07:35] <TheGateKeeper> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[07:35] <TheGateKeeper> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[07:35] <RawSewage> yeah, thx
[07:36] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: you want mp3 support?
[07:36] <RawSewage> already have
[07:36] <RawSewage> libxine-extracodecs
[07:36] <TheGateKeeper> ok
[07:36] <RawSewage> Ive done about 6 fresh installs so far
[07:36] <RawSewage> so Im becoming an expert on reinstalling the basics
[07:37] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: why are you reinstalling?
[07:37] <RawSewage> various reasons
[07:37] <RawSewage> installing on laptops, upgrading,  cleaning up messes, etc
[07:37] <RawSewage> boredom
[07:38] <RawSewage> reinstall/reformat gives my life a purpose
[07:38] <Ash-Fox> !botabuse > h3sp4wn
[07:38] <Ash-Fox> !botabuse > RawSewage
[07:38] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: ohh dear
[07:38] <cozomo> I LIEK:
[07:38] <RawSewage> ok
[07:38] <cozomo> whoops my bad wrong channel
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: What are you making ubotu spam me for (he knows nothing worthwhile anyway)
[07:40] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: if you are really bored try a source based distro, that will keep you entertained
[07:40] <TheGateKeeper> Hiya MilhousePunkRock
[07:40] <TheGateKeeper> back so soon?
[07:40] <RawSewage> I said I was bored, not crazy
[07:40] <iron> hi guys ^_^
[07:41] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, noticed a lot of ! fishing commands earlier
[07:41] <dr_willis> !fishing
[07:41] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[07:41] <dr_willis> :)
[07:41] <Ash-Fox> It's a lie
[07:42] <Ash-Fox> It angers me, and I'm not a op :(
[07:42] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: I better not admit to playing with sourcemage then :-)
[07:42] <RawSewage> is there any difference between  w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb   and   w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[07:42] <RawSewage> TheGateKeeper, lol
[07:42] <troy> Ho all. I've got some (unofficial) fixed packages if anyone is having trouble with flac/amarok/xine on amd64... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1413567
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Whats the X chan?
[07:42] <Ash-Fox> RawSewage, yes.
[07:42] <RawSewage> Ash-Fox, which one do I want
[07:42] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: plf one is older I think, the one I gave I think is better
[07:42] <RawSewage> ok
[07:43] <Ash-Fox> You could just do a 'apt-get install w32codecs', and it would install the 'newer' one.
[07:43] <RawSewage> oh
[07:44] <draik> Question...
[07:44] <draik> what does the '-f' in 'apt-get install -f' do? What is it's function?
[07:44] <trappist> draik: fix
[07:44] <draik> trappist, fix what?
[07:45] <trappist> draik: search for --fix-broken in the apt-get man page (equivalent to -f)
[07:45] <RawSewage>  -f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[07:45] <trappist>  Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place...
[07:45] <draik> RawSewage, I read that, but what does that mean
[07:46] <TheGateKeeper> troy: made a note for any poor unfortunates that come along
[07:46] <RawSewage> -f  you're package is f#$ed
[07:46] <sleeptyper>  libxine-extracodecs into 64b kubuntu = hopeless ?
[07:46] <draik> trappist, thank you... that's what I wanted to know
[07:46] <draik> Thank you too RawSewage
[07:46] <trappist> RawSewage: what are you looking at? -f fixes broken dependencies
[07:46] <justizin> for instance, i don't have a package for tomcat4, which would be nice to help me get going with opennms
[07:46] <justizin> i could install from source, but that's boring ;d
[07:46] <RawSewage> trappist, I just did apt-get install --help
[07:46] <troy> TheGateKeeper: earlier in the thread there were i386 packages posted, but the rest of the thread was people complaining about no amd64 packages... :) had to stop that :)
[07:47] <TheGateKeeper> sleeptyper: have to install 32bit apps for that, same for flash etc
[07:47] <Hawkwind> -f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[07:47] <sleeptyper> ew
[07:47] <Hawkwind> That's from the --help of apt-get install.
[07:47] <troy> TheGateKeeper: you can get flash without 32bit everything... kind of a hack, but I'm running konq 64 with flash 32 without problems
[07:47] <Hawkwind> In this case, it means it tries to continue even if deps aren't present or found
[07:48] <trappist> RawSewage: interesting, that conflicts with the man page
[07:48] <trappist> and with reality :)
[07:48] <trappist> but there it is
[07:48] <RawSewage> trappist, I just copied and pasted.  I know nothing about that
[07:48] <trappist> RawSewage: I'm not yelling at you :)  I'm just considering filing a bug report against the --help output
[07:49] <TheGateKeeper> troy: this is what I give most amd64 people: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:49] <RawSewage> trappist, I know
[07:49] <troy> TheGateKeeper: if you don't use firefox, it's much easier (since konq doesn't need flash to run in-process, it can coexist with the 32bit flash just fine)
[07:49] <RawSewage> Ash-Fox,  there is no   sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[07:50] <RawSewage> I'll do it the original way
[07:50] <RawSewage> using the deb
[07:50] <TheGateKeeper> troy I will pass that tip bit on :-)
[07:51] <RawSewage> what % of K/Ubuntu users need to disable IPV6 in Firefox
[07:51] <RawSewage> > 50%?
[07:51] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: I haven't had to do it
[07:51] <RawSewage> You dont get the pause?
[07:52] <RawSewage> If not disabled, pages take a few seconds before loading
[07:52] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: thought sudo apt-get install w32codecs worked if you had the plf repos enabled
[07:52] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Man :(
[07:52] <DaSkreech>  A bus Error has nothing to do with a bus
[07:52] <RawSewage> TheGateKeeper, do I want to enable plf repos
[07:53] <cozomo> DaSkreech: would it have anything to do with being black in alabama?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> cozomo: no that's deprecated
[07:53] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: up to you: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[07:53] <RawSewage> ty
[07:54] <RawSewage> looks scary
[07:54] <RawSewage> the underworld of repos
[07:54] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: yw :-) I created this too as I thought people might find it usefull
[07:54] <RawSewage> plf that is
[07:54] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/home
[07:55] <DaSkreech> cozomo: Though still used by stubborn people who don't want to learn new technology
[07:55] <RawSewage> TheGateKeeper, cool thx
[07:55] <fdoving> DaSkreech: did you fix it?
[07:55] <cozomo> lol illegal error alert the cia
[07:55] <DaSkreech> fdoving: An X Bus error is a Sigsev
[07:55] <TheGateKeeper> RawSewage: yw :-) worth it if you find it usefull
[07:56] <DaSkreech> fdoving: So Memory is reported to be there but when you try to access it's not there
[07:56] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ok. did you check your memory with memtest?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> as we speak
[07:56] <RawSewage> ## CANONICAL COMMERCIAL REPOSITORY
[07:57] <DaSkreech> or type
[07:57] <DaSkreech> umm
[07:57] <RawSewage> Thats the new one for Edgy
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Communicate?
[07:57] <RawSewage> and Dapper, but being readied for Edgy, I think
[07:57] <TheGateKeeper> so how come the bots broke?
[08:00] <TheGateKeeper> wb MilhousePunkRock :-)
[08:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx TheGateKeeper
[08:00] <MilhousePunkRock> I added some daemons and had to reboot
[08:01] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: to arch?
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, hal and dbus
[08:02] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: haven't tried hal, don't know if I get it for free with KDE
[08:03] <MilhousePunkRock> I don't think so, TheGateKeeper, but you would need it for that kpio stuff (automounting removable devices and such)
[08:04] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: took some notes when there was a conversation the other day, so I have an idea what I need to do, failing that I'll have to pick your brain :-)
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper There is nothing much left to pick from my brain currently, unless you are seeking for "molecular genetics of complex algae"
[08:07] <minsc> hello, how can i find the rep from some programs? I want to install the editor joe and the translating-tool ding, but dont't know in what rep they are.
[08:07] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: you'll be better after some rest
[08:08] <fdoving> minsc: use apt:/ in konqueror or search http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <boss302> I installed the Nvidia driver using the installer I downloaded from their webpage... now when i boot, it can'd load module glx or module nvidia... do i need the nvidia-glx packages installed?
[08:09] <TheGateKeeper> minsc: ding is in universe: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[08:09] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper That rest ist starting in 7 minutes... Couch, TV and w**d
[08:09] <boss302> and I'm not getting anything when i modpobe nvidia... i thought I would after the installe and reoboot
[08:09] <fdoving> !nvidia > boss302
[08:09] <fdoving> boss302: read the message you got from ubotu, please :)
[08:09] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: will be off to watch a film myself shortly
[08:09] <boss302> thanks.
[08:09] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper CSI here... More molecular biology... lol
[08:11] <RawSewage> how do you make a .desktop to a Konq profile
[08:11] <RawSewage> for AutoStart
[08:13] <fdoving> RawSewage: use: echo "kfmclient openProfile yourprofilehere" > mykonq.sh;chmod +x mykonq.sh - now move mykonq.sh to Autostart.
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> CU TheGateKeeper!
[08:13] <fdoving> RawSewage: that's not a .desktop, but it should work with a plain shellscript.
[08:13] <RawSewage> fdoving, ty
[08:16] <RawSewage> fdoving, my Profile name is File Management   .  thats not the name I want , is it
[08:17] <RawSewage> fdoving, nm. I found it
[08:17] <fdoving> filemanager :)
[08:17] <RawSewage> filemanagement
[08:18] <RawSewage> I renamed mine
[08:19] <minsc> TheGateKeeper: thanks, that was ist! Added "universe multiverse" to the rep an both progs were found
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> minsc: :-)
[08:20] <ibert> hi! anybody knows how to configure dnsmasq, so that it collects hostnames from dhcp-clients?
[08:23] <Hawkwind> http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/23/137206&from=rss
[08:23] <Hawkwind> The X breakage has made it all the way to linux.com now
[08:24] <fdoving> it's very very very bad.
[08:24] <aliasfred> hehe why that ?
[08:25] <aliasfred> i mean this is not the first time a package is broken
[08:25] <aliasfred> in ubuntu or other distro ?
[08:25] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: In Ubuntu
[08:25] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Yeah this one affected many users unfortunately.  Hopefully though it's just about over with
[08:25] <aliasfred> yep my snetence was poorly splitted
[08:25] <fdoving> because sysadmins in huge production environments that relies on a stable and functioning dapper will consider moving to a more serious distro, where they actually do QA on security updates. (that's the sysadmin view).
[08:25] <aliasfred> but i mean this is just a broken package. why is that such a news ?
[08:26] <fdoving> because dapper is considered stable.
[08:26] <aliasfred> fdoving: hue ? i mean how old it is ?
[08:26] <fdoving> package breakage in development releases isn't a big deal.
[08:27] <fdoving> aliasfred: how old is what? and how does it matter?
[08:27] <aliasfred> fdoving: how old is dapper. and i think it matter because something new is unlikely to be stable
[08:27] <aliasfred> fdoving: except if you have a very huge test team
[08:28] <aliasfred> so how old it is ?
[08:28] <fdoving> aliasfred: it was released. and it worked untill this security update.
[08:28] <fdoving> 2 months.
[08:28] <aliasfred> i guess it was released :)
[08:28] <aliasfred> ah ok
[08:28] <aliasfred> and who said it was stable ?
[08:28] <fdoving> it is just one thing: poor QA.
[08:29] <aliasfred> i mean ready for serious production env ?
[08:29] <aliasfred> ubuntu says that ?
[08:29] <fdoving> that's up to the sysadmin to decide.
[08:30] <aliasfred> yep but if ubuntu says a 2month old product is stable, it could be said it is the one doing the misleading
[08:30] <sheyla> i asked a question an hour ago about my kubuntu no been able to get into kde just want to tak you guys my system is working now
[08:30] <fdoving> sheyla: great. :)
[08:30] <aliasfred> it is why i ask if ubuntu said it was ready for 'serious production env'
[08:31] <sheyla> do you guys think should i give mepis a try???
[08:31] <fdoving> sheyla: no, stick with kubuntu :)
[08:32] <aliasfred> ok nobody knows what ubuntu is saying about the stability of its product ? :)
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> sheyla: anything in particular that you are after?
[08:32] <fdoving> aliasfred: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released
[08:33] <sheyla> ok i tought so just everybody talks wonders about it iwill stck to kubuntu running free of winblows for 2 years yeah...
[08:33] <donkeyofdarkness> Hello
[08:34] <sheyla> no just the same way i end up with kubuntu y tryed many before you know kubuntu works just perfect for me
[08:34] <aliasfred> fdoving: well they dont say their product is stable or robust :)
[08:34] <uwe2> hi everyone
[08:34] <donkeyofdarkness> I'm having a problem with InitNG and fglrx
[08:34] <aliasfred> so it is just a broken package makeing the news :)
[08:35] <aliasfred> maybe this mean ubuntu is popular enougth for a common thing like broken package become such a big matter :)
[08:35] <TheGateKeeper> sheyla: if you have a system that you are happy with then stick with it, mepis is now using ubuntu to build it's system
[08:35] <fdoving> aliasfred: so then it's ok to break it? we want people to think, stable, reliable, doesn't die on its own, etc. when they hear the name ubuntu.
[08:36] <aliasfred> fdoving: ? releasing broken package happened to all distro. is it not a good thing to release a broken pagage. yes. but hey it happens :)
[08:37] <aliasfred> i mean no big deal at all
[08:37] <sheyla> yea that is what i tought tnaks guys
[08:38] <[Deathmaster] > Hello all, I have a problem . After installing the Nvdia-glx drivers the applets from KDE controll centre -> Display, Disks&filesysytems and Users & Groups don't work. Any idea how to make them work again ?
[08:38] <nixternal> !tell nixternal about dual booting
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual booting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <sheyla> i still use mac just for video editing and dvd authoring
[08:38] <nixternal> !dualbooting
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualbooting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <nixternal> !quaddrooplebooting
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quaddrooplebooting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <fdoving> aliasfred: my only point is that it is not good PR, and QA routines should be established to pickup mistakes like this in the future. :)
[08:40] <sheyla> talking about triple booting my have have macos x,windows xpand kubuntu install all running 100% on a pc
[08:41] <sheyla> of course he has a powerfull computer
[08:41] <nixternal> i just built a test system for packaging and what not, and i want to boot Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu, and give them all like 15GB of space
[08:41] <sheyla> put mac os x to
[08:41] <bs_1975> so I just downloaded edubuntu but I cant get it to open what should I do
[08:41] <nixternal> sorry, i haven't used anything but open source in the past 4 years
[08:41] <nixternal> i refuse to go back
[08:42] <sheyla> it's ok
[08:42] <uwo> hi all! does the ffmpeg in repositories have xvid support? how do i find out?
[08:42] <fdoving> macosx is useless to me, i have it, but don't use it at all. considering freeing the space.
[08:42] <uwo> (how do i find out if the ffmpeg i have installed supports xvid)?
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> nixternal: seperate boot partition for each grub installed in that - a master install (with something as minimal as possible) then just chainloading the other grubs from that (may be a bit extreme)
[08:43] <donkeyofdarkness> uwo, try easyubuntu. It does all that for you.
[08:43] <nixternal> h3sp4wn: so create each distro a /boot dir?
[08:43] <donkeyofdarkness> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[08:43] <dabbler> downloaded & installed a KDE theme...now KDE asks me for preferences each startup. anyone ?
[08:43] <fdoving> uwo: ffmpeg -formats
[08:44] <uwo> tnx all.
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> nixternal: I was thinking of a partition but that may not be necessary - but you can use chainloader (like grub normally does to boot windows - but in this case to load another grub)
[08:45] <Ash-Fox> !botsnack
[08:45] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:45] <nixternal> got it..i shall give it a try
[08:45] <donkeyofdarkness> So does anyone here use InitNG?
[08:45] <sheyla> you are right sometimes i don't have to much time so i load imovie load my movies savechapters use idvd burn a dvd with transitions and effectrs in maybe an hour but is just preference nothing against open source i love open source
[08:46] <uwo> can't see xvid in my ffmpeg support - pressume i have to compile it myself to enable this for ipod conversion? (did this before, but it got upgraded recently through update)
[08:46] <donkeyofdarkness> uwo, easy ubuntu will install all the codecs you need.
[08:47] <sheyla> or try automatix
[08:47] <sheyla> i always use automatix
[08:47] <donkeyofdarkness> I haven't tried it
[08:47] <sheyla> may be the same
[08:47] <jujimufu> sheyla: or use both, that's what I've done :) First easyubuntu, and then automatix :)
[08:48] <uwo> i already installed the codecs through automatix and they work for playing vids - but the script to convert vids to ipod .mp4 doesn't work
[08:48] <jujimufu> easyubuntu has less packages than automatix. Then again, automatix has many many packages.
[08:48] <uwo> ffmpeg apparently
[08:48] <sheyla> you are right you may find aplications on one thet you don't find on the other one
[08:52] <otaku-san> Yo...ok !restricted codec coming up....does anyone know what I need to get to play the sound in wmv. files?
[08:52] <baldi^zZz> cu & gn8 @ll
[08:53] <sheyla> make sure that you download all the codecs first
[08:54] <otaku-san> sheyla: like which ones....I have a heck of alot of codecs down already...
[08:56] <frank_> hi all
[08:57] <sheyla> this is how i did it not a pro just so you know  i used automatix and install  alll the codecs and install vlc media player and i open the file with vlc
[08:57] <noxs> damned..big problem..yesterday i did a apt-get upgrad and now the computer doesn't do graphical mode
[08:57] <noxs> what to do?
[08:57] <noxs> the xsever was updated
[08:57] <_JP> noxs: start in recovery mode and run upgrade again
[08:58] <sheyla> yea ctrl=alt=f1
[08:58] <noxs> i am in the terminal right now
[08:58] <sheyla> and do and update and an upgrade again
[08:58] <sheyla> sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <Hawkwind> noxs: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  should fix the problem
[08:58] <noxs> i already did
[08:58] <sheyla> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:59] <otaku-san> sheyla: ok...I'll pull automatix up and try installing all of the codecs...again.....thanks
[08:59] <timonator> where can i look through the kubuntu package repository?
[08:59] <sheyla> no prob
[08:59] <Hawkwind> noxs: When did you do that ?
[08:59] <noxs> a few minutes ago
[08:59] <timonator> i'm looking for the drivers for the driver for a hp usb printer... i forgot the name, hold on
[08:59] <timonator> HP PSC 1510
[09:00] <noxs> ah...i misconfigured the xorg.conf file by hand
[09:00] <noxs> okay...i see...i will test a "start x"
[09:00] <noxs> thx!
[09:01] <_JP> this is really weird but looks like my wlan usb-stick stopped working after xorg update
[09:01] <noxs> bye
[09:01] <noxs> have a nice evening or day, whereever you are...:o)
[09:01] <noxs> cya
[09:01] <cerda> no sound in kubuntu after fixed the X
[09:02] <otaku-san> sheyla: ok real quick...I think before I did something wrong....ok after Automatix has downloaded and said it installed everything...should I wait for it to close it's self...or for a message to come up saying it's done?  I think I closed it to soon...wasn't doing anything...so I closed it thinking it was finished...
[09:02] <sheyla> any ways i pgraded to and kubuntu starts but gives me and static black screen  so i upgraded again problem sold
[09:03] <_JP> how to downgrade xorg?
[09:03] <cerda> otaku-san i dont have sound after upgrade
[09:03] <sheyla> usually takes  some time there is a lot of codecs try again ther is not problem if you ruunit again whatever it will let you what has bben installed
[09:05] <otaku-san> cerda: I can't help you man....what did you upgrade...probably overrid some sound codec or something...
[09:06] <sheyla> actually i'm using it right now it has been downloading stuff for the last two hours cause i'm upgrading kde to
[09:06] <cerda> i did apt-get update. apt-get upgrade
[09:06] <otaku-san> sheyla: Yeah...ok...I'm going to go install those codecs....need them for DVDs also....
[09:06] <fdoving> _JP: from konsole: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade'
[09:07] <sheyla> check for other apps you may need is worth it
[09:07] <sheyla> k9dvd copy really good one
[09:07] <fdoving> _JP: that's upgrade, why do you need to downgrade? you can use 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10'
[09:08] <sheyla> antivirus firewall antivirus
[09:08] <_JP> fdoving: well, looks like xorg update caused my wlan usb-stick to stop working
[09:08] <otaku-san> cerda: it will show you what it's installing when you do that...I can't really help you...maybe wait a bit and ask later  Someone who knows what to do may get on
[09:08] <sheyla> don't forget to come around your system every once an awhile ask you for password a few times
[09:09] <fdoving> _JP: i hardly belive that was xorgs fault, though.
[09:09] <stef__> hallo allemaal
[09:11] <_JP> fdoving: oh. adept had nothing else to update than xorg. my network stopped working right after update was finished and after reboot the wlan stick is not even recognized
[09:11] <stef__> ik heb een vraagje over om iets te instaleren
[09:11] <fdoving> !nl
[09:11] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:11] <stef__> wie kan mij helpen
[09:12] <_JP> fdoving: so i had to switch to windoze where the same wlan stick seems to work just fine
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> _JP: make sure you have restricted enabled for dapper-security and dapper-updates
[09:12] <fdoving> stef__: we can help you if you ask in english.
[09:12] <_JP> h3sp4wn: yes, i have them enabled
[09:13] <stef__> i dont no english
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> _JP: are you using ndiswrapper does it work if you use the kernel before (select it at startup)
[09:14] <fdoving> stef__: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:16] <_JP> h3sp4wn: nope, i'm not using ndiswrapper..
[09:16] <Tokeiito> i need to make advertisment for newspaper. what the best soft in linux for that?
[09:16] <vursitis> gimp
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> _JP: You don't have the correct version of linux-restricted-modules for your running kernel then
[09:17] <vursitis> is anyone here fairlt knowledgeble about networking>
[09:17] <vursitis> *?
[09:17] <vursitis> fairly*
[09:18] <uwo> one more q: in order to compile&install a new amarok from source, do i first have to uninstall the version i have now?
[09:18] <vursitis> sorry trying to type with a cigerette in my hand
[09:18] <Tokeiito> is gimp working with CMYK? has ability to convert evrything to PDF?
[09:18] <vursitis> yes it does
[09:18] <vursitis> it is compatible with adobe softwear
[09:18] <vursitis> and it has the ability to work with both cmyk and rbg
[09:19] <fdoving> uwo: no, but if you're thinking about amarok 1.4.2 packages are beeing worked on.
[09:19] <Tokeiito> ok. thank you vursitis
[09:19] <vursitis> not a problem
[09:20] <fdoving> uwo: i suggest setting --prefix=/opt during configure. that will install your custom stuff to /opt. then you won't mess with the files the packagemanager keeps track of.
[09:20] <uwo> fdoving: i was thinking about that yes :) - i like the new ipod features and am looking forward to testing it - how much does it usually take for the packages to be prepared?
[09:21] <vursitis> is anyone in here fairly knowledgeable about networking?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> I would just install to /usr/local but use installwatch (so I can get rid of it cleanly if I need to )
[09:21] <fdoving> uwo: depends. i know they are working on it.
[09:21] <fdoving> vursitis: ask your question please.
[09:21] <uwo> fdoving: tnx 4 all.
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: has it actually been released or is it still beta ?
[09:22] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: released.
[09:22] <vursitis> ok, how true is it for me to say it is extreamly hard for the ira to track people who use ktorrent to download softwear
[09:22] <vursitis> i have heard this... but don't know how reliable that information is
[09:25] <fdoving> vursitis: from a network admin point of view that is pretty easy if you have access to the network and customer information. but this is a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic or #politics
[09:25] <vursitis> ok, thankyou
[09:26] <IRA> We see you vursitis!
[09:26] <vursitis> ...
[09:26] <vursitis> well thats comforting
[09:27] <fdoving> vursitis: it's draik messing with you.
[09:27] <vursitis> ah
[09:27] <draik> lol
[09:27] <draik> sorry, had to do it
[09:27] <vursitis> thats ok
[09:27] <draik> :)
[09:27] <otaku-san> heheheh now that was a bit cruel...;)
[09:27] <vursitis> i just about shit myself though, i have about... oooo 2 terrabytes of downloaded stuff on external hard drives
[09:27] <Erich-K> Should i update my KDE 3.5.2 to KDE 3.5.4?
[09:27] <draik> vursitis, watch your language
[09:28] <vursitis> ok
[09:28] <vursitis> sorry
[09:28] <draik> on a side note, I wouldn't confess to what you may/maynot  have
[09:28] <vursitis> true...
[09:28] <fdoving> "downloaded stuff" can be opensource. but anyway.. #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:29] <vursitis> so i may or may not have about 2 terrabytes of "legal" or "illegal" stuff on what might possibly be "external" or "internal" "drives" and such
[09:29] <fdoving> Erich-K: i would recommend kde 3.5.3 instead, if you're looking for something without issues. kde 3.5.4 got a few.
[09:29] <fdoving> vursitis: #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:30] <Erich-K> fdoving: Ok, Thanks mate :)
[09:30] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[09:30] <draik> !pastebin
[09:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:35] <waylandbill> I'm thinking of going to the store right now to get an iPod. What should I know in order to use it under Linux?
[09:36] <fritsch> waylandbill: video is not going so well
[09:36] <ryanakca> waylandbill: know how to use amarok
[09:36] <fritsch> waylandbill: but audio works quiet cool
[09:36] <waylandbill> for audio only... sorry should've specified.
[09:36] <ryanakca> if your going to use kde and audio and ipod, it's amarok that's the linux equivelent of iTunes
[09:37] <waylandbill> ok. so amarok will do what needs to be done to get the iPod to recognize the uploaded files?
[09:38] <fritsch> waylandbill: yes
[09:38] <fritsch> waylandbill: toghter with transkode you can even "transfair on the fly" ogg files, etc.
[09:40] <waylandbill> thanks guys... sounds like it'll work nice... going to store now... bye
[09:40] <fritsch> bye
[09:40] <fritsch> waylandbill: wait?
[09:40] <fritsch> waylandbill: which one do you want to bye
[09:40] <fritsch> waylandbill: don` t buy a shuffle
[09:40] <fritsch> waylandbill: it is much too expensive for his "abilities"
[09:41] <waylandbill> no... no... nano at least
[09:43] <waylandbill> my daughter has a shuffle... that's like bare minimum.
[09:44] <vursitis> why dont you invest in a creative player? one thing they do have that ipods do not is a replaceable battery
[09:44] <vursitis> and they have the same capabilities
[09:44] <hasan> just finished my move from fedora =>Suse and now to UBUNTU.  It looks ok but why no super user password ??
[09:45] <michele> hello tout le monde
[09:45] <michele> nouveau sur kubuntu, je ne sais pas comment m'y prendre pour installer des soft, tel firefox
[09:45] <michele> qq1 peut m'aider ?
[09:45] <aliasfred> !fr
[09:45] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:46] <michele> oups thx
[09:47] <vursitis> Hasan: ubuntu uses a temporary root account you use it in the terminal as sudo, you cannot log in a super user perminantly but you can open certian applications as the root user
[09:47] <waylandbill> vursitis: will creative have a docking set of speakers like the iPod?
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> hasan: sudo -i will give you a full root shell
[09:47] <vursitis> yes, you can get them from their website. and some stores
[09:48] <waylandbill> vursitis: ok. thanks.. will check it out.
[09:48] <vursitis> nevermind... h3sp4wn is right...
[09:48] <waylandbill> sudo -s gives a permanent shell
[09:48] <hasan> h3sp: thanx
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> sudo -s can easily mess up permissions
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> sudo -i is safer for most purposes
[09:49] <waylandbill> oh... didn't know that. will use -i then
[09:49] <hasan> sudo -i looks fine to me
[09:50] <waylandbill> i rarely get a shell unless I'm initially setting up. One command at a time is enough
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> sudo -s keeps some environment variables (like $HOME but others also) so you can end up with files owned by root that can't be modified by your user
[09:51] <vursitis> not hard to change the permissions back though, just a pain
[09:54] <fdoving> bye all.
[09:59] <vursitis> i must leave for work, bye everyone
[10:00] <fritsch> bye
[10:00] <A|i3N> Hey could someone possibly walk me through install Wine on Kubuntu?
[10:00] <fritsch> A|i3N: sudo apt-get install wine
[10:01] <omeow> What's a good program to download music with for KDE? (something not using giftd)
[10:01] <A|i3N> ah thankies. I'm new to linux. I like kubuntu though.
[10:01] <fritsch> A|i3N: after that that start winecfg
[10:01] <fritsch> A|i3N: no problem, have fun
[10:01] <A|i3N> do I do this in a terminal window?
[10:02] <omeow> A|i3N, yea, you could do that.
[10:02] <fritsch> A|i3N: yes, just open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install wine
[10:02] <omeow> But a more user friendly way is to start adept.
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> A|i3N: You may want the later version from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com
[10:02] <A|i3N> install packages without verification?
[10:02] <fritsch> A|i3N: yes ... mmmh where does it come from?
[10:03] <fritsch> !wine
[10:03] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:03] <fritsch> !info wine
[10:03] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[10:03] <aliasfred> !pastebin
[10:03] <fritsch> ah it is from universe
[10:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:03] <fritsch> should be the same gpg key
[10:03] <A|i3N> i had gotten it with the package manager but didn't know how to run it lol. Typing wine loaded it, but then it did nothing after looking like it was loading it
[10:04] <fritsch> A|i3N: try winecfg
[10:04] <fritsch> A|i3N: after that: wine "yourprogramm.exe"
[10:04] <RawSewage> Im installing linux-image for 686.  After it's installed, do I uninstall the 386 one?
[10:04] <A|i3N> that worked. Can I update it with package manager after installation?
[10:05] <fritsch> A|i3N: yes, if there comes a new one
[10:05] <fritsch> A|i3N: you will be notified
[10:05] <omeow> RawSewage, yes, that should do the trick.
[10:05] <omeow> However, I'm pretty sure the grub menu doesn't get updated.
[10:05] <fritsch> A|i3N: the package manager is just a "frontend" for the apt-get stuff
[10:05] <fritsch> omeow: sudo update-grub
[10:05] <RawSewage> omeow, ok thx.  did you upgrade your kernel
[10:05] <omeow> fritsch, yes, and it hopefully prevents new users from seeing the horrible cryptic error messages from apt.
[10:05] <RawSewage> omeow, I mean to 686
[10:06] <fritsch> omeow: cryptic errors?
[10:06] <omeow> Yeah.
[10:06] <fritsch> omeow: which ones?
[10:06] <fritsch> omeow: never got one?
[10:06] <A|i3N> oh ok cool. hehe. ok I also need "cabextract" Do I use the same command to get that? I'm trying to get IE running within kubuntu for certain websites
[10:06] <fritsch> omeow: just some stuff like: overwriting lalalla, but doing so as directed stuff
[10:06] <fritsch> A|i3N: sudo apt-get install cabextract
[10:07] <fritsch> A|i3N: easy isn` t it?
[10:07] <A|i3N> couldn't find package
[10:07] <A|i3N> yea :)
[10:07] <fritsch> !cabextract
[10:07] <ubotu> cabextract: a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1-1 (dapper), package size 43 kB, installed size 144 kB
[10:07] <fritsch> A|i3N: you misstyped
[10:07] <fritsch> A|i3N: recheck ;-)
[10:08] <fritsch> A|i3N: if you got wine (which is from universe) cabextract should be no problem ...
[10:08] <A|i3N> hrm. I tried it a few more times, same thing
[10:08] <A|i3N> jonathan@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install cabextract
[10:08] <A|i3N> Reading package lists... Done
[10:08] <A|i3N> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:08] <A|i3N> E: Couldn't find package cabextract
[10:09] <fritsch> A|i3N: odd, start the package manager, please
[10:10] <fritsch> A|i3N: go to manage source or what it is in english ...
[10:10] <fritsch> A|i3N: look to have enable universe
[10:11] <A|i3N> loading it
[10:11] <omeow> Why don't you point him to the console tools now?
[10:11] <A|i3N> aseigo: where do I go, manager repositories?
[10:11] <fritsch> omeow: do you want him to enable universe with editor?
[10:12] <fritsch> A|i3N: in adept ... there in the menu
[10:12] <omeow> Sure why not? It's so much easier, isn't it?
[10:12] <fritsch> omeow: not for a beginner
[10:12] <DaSkreech> fritsch: You wet rat!
[10:12] <fritsch> DaSkreech: what is "wet rat"?
[10:12] <fritsch> DaSkreech: finished? working?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Yes nope
[10:13] <DaSkreech> You jumped ship
[10:13] <A|i3N> it says to "uncomment the following two lines to add software from the universe"
[10:13] <fritsch> DaSkreech: me jumped?
[10:13] <aliasfred> !repository
[10:13] <fritsch> A|i3N: make it so
[10:13] <A|i3N> ok i clicked them and hit enable think that did it
[10:13] <fritsch> A|i3N: cool
[10:13] <aliasfred> what is the bot command to get the intro on repository ?
[10:13] <aliasfred> !repo
[10:13] <fritsch> DaSkreech: what are we doing now?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> I just ran a memory test
[10:14] <fritsch> DaSkreech: ohh,
[10:14] <DaSkreech> That's fine so I'm assuming it's a X driver calling the wrong memory location
[10:15] <omeow> fritsch, the reason why I reacted the way I did is because I think it's wrong to point new users directly to the console. Yes it's probably faster, but the console is much more intimidating for a beginner than a graphical tool.
[10:16] <A|i3N> grr.. it still isn't finding it
[10:16] <omeow> And I don't believe you've never had a package locking up or giving errors.
[10:16] <DaSkreech> omeow: Only if there is no alternative
[10:16] <RawSewage> whats the difference between :  Mark for Removal  and  Mark for Complete Removal
[10:16] <looktj> command for creating folder
[10:16] <fritsch> omeow: yes, okay
[10:17] <aliasfred> RawSewage: the second will remove the configuration files and not the first, i believe
[10:17] <looktj> ??
[10:17] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: One removes the parts that it needs to run the other removes anything to do with the package ( logs config files etc)
[10:17] <omeow> mkdir
[10:17] <A|i3N> i'll go to their website
[10:17] <fritsch> A|i3N: no!
[10:17] <fritsch> omeow: now, see user can` t find the options in adpet, goes to wine website, makes a make && make install and verything is borken
[10:17] <fritsch> A|i3N: do the following
[10:17] <RawSewage> aliasfred, DaSkreech, ok ty
[10:18] <fritsch> A|i3N: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cabextract
[10:18] <fritsch> A|i3N: before close adept
[10:19] <omeow> fritsch, I agree that the user interface and the way that adept works could use some work. But more recent versions seem to address this.
[10:19] <erov> don't irc as root! :P
[10:19] <A|i3N> OOOOOOOOOOHHhhhhhhh ok lol
[10:19] <A|i3N> hadda update the sources!
[10:19] <fritsch> A|i3N: does it work?
[10:19] <fritsch> A|i3N: yes you had to
[10:19] <omeow> And the fact that he goes to the website is probably because he's used to the windows way of installing software, which is to go to the website, download an installer and simply double click on the file.
[10:19] <A|i3N> i think it will but i hadda close adept first
[10:19] <fritsch> omeow: yes, it needs endless times, till my adept is open ...
[10:19] <uwo> does anyone know if it is possible to get a pull-down menu with all of the users for the kdm login screen?
[10:19] <A|i3N> yea i'm used to windows. lol
[10:19] <fritsch> uwo: yes you can
[10:20] <A|i3N> that worked
[10:20] <A|i3N> Thank you Fritsch
[10:20] <fritsch> uwo: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmr and do UseTheme=false
[10:20] <fritsch> uwo: UseThem is a Setting, which is default on true
[10:20] <aseigo> A|i3N: sorry, what?
[10:20] <uwo> fritsch - will try. tnx
[10:20] <fritsch> uwo: after this restart kdm
[10:20] <fritsch> uwo: now you can use kde control center to customize it ...
[10:22] <A|i3N> I said Thank you :)
[10:22] <fritsch> A|i3N: yes :-)
[10:22] <fritsch> A|i3N: was pleased to help
[10:22] <fritsch> A|i3N: just come again, if you have another question
[10:22] <digits> Anybody else having difficulties with lack of sound with a built in RealTek AC'97 "soundcard"?
[10:23] <A|i3N> I'm sure I will be back many times lol
[10:24] <A|i3N> till I can learn how to use and fix linux as good as I can use and fix windows. (I'm a pc technician - only familiar with DOS and windows though)
[10:26] <A|i3N> One last question - how do I run an executable in a terminal window?
[10:27] <aliasfred> !flash64
[10:27] <A|i3N> is it ., or ./ or .. or what i can't remember lol
[10:27] <fritsch> A|i3N: if the file is already executable you can do ./filename
[10:27] <aliasfred> you just put the name of the executable
[10:27] <fritsch> A|i3N: but be careful with running scripts from "somewhere"
[10:28] <aliasfred> ./ does make it execute tho, it is just the path to the file
[10:29] <BalNdaR> how to change screen resolution?
[10:29] <josh__> ok i forget how to configure repositories
[10:29] <A|i3N> this is just the internet explorer program i got
[10:29] <fritsch> BalNdaR: start: krandrtray
[10:30] <fritsch> BalNdaR: though i cannot find it in the menu ....
[10:30] <looktj> now how do i remove folders
[10:31] <looktj> im getting ready for server
[10:31] <fritsch> looktj: rightlick on them and "move to trash"
[10:31] <fritsch> looktj: ah in the shell?
[10:31] <fritsch> looktj: rm -r "folder"
[10:31] <looktj> thanks
[10:31] <fritsch> looktj: the -r means "recursively"
[10:31] <fritsch> looktj: starts inside and goes up ...
[10:31] <josh__> i can't figure this out!
[10:32] <pielgrzym> hello :) anyone using opera for kubuntu? :)
[10:32] <BalNdaR> krandrtray dont help, it just gives me an error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[10:33] <pielgrzym> I'm asking because there is a font rendering problem (fonts are too small) - I've read I need to delete scim-qtim package
[10:33] <BalNdaR> in gnome there is an aplication named screen resolution, but in kde i cant find it
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Man I want ubotu's union
[10:34] <josh__> hello...
[10:34] <DaSkreech> 6 breaks a day
[10:35] <fritsch> BalNdaR: yes it helps
[10:35] <fritsch> BalNdaR: look in the bottom corner, there is now a new "applet"
[10:35] <fritsch> BalNdaR: for your screenresolution
[10:36] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Said thing is, he's probably not done yet either :P
[10:37] <pielgrzym> fritsch: could you tell me if removing scim-qtimm (which reqiuers to remove kubuntu-desktop package also) is safe? :)
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: What's up Server reboots?
[10:37] <fritsch> pielgrzym: why do you want to remove it?
[10:37] <cozomo> robot boobies
[10:37] <pielgrzym> fritsch: Opera renders websites badlu
[10:37] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Who knows to be honest.  Might just be a flakey ISP for the day
[10:38] <fritsch> pielgrzym: ah okay, got it
[10:38] <pielgrzym> fritsch: I've read on opera forums that scim is the reason
[10:38] <fritsch> pielgrzym: because of the "gtk" gets qted
[10:38] <fritsch> pielgrzym: i try first :-) wait
[10:38] <pielgrzym> fritsch: thanks :)
[10:38] <fritsch> pielgrzym: it is okay ...
[10:38] <DaSkreech> And Seveas is out for the day as well?
[10:39] <fritsch> pielgrzym: kubuntu-desktop is jus a meta package ...
[10:39] <pielgrzym> fritsch: thanks :)
[10:39] <Seveas> DaSkreech, working very hard on my bugmail backlog
[10:39] <fritsch> pielgrzym: it did not want to remove it on my system, guess why?
[10:39] <uwo> one more q: why are there so many users in kubuntu? (cdrom, dialout, nvram,...)
[10:39] <fritsch> uwo: those are groups
[10:40] <fritsch> uwo: its  the "type" how security works
[10:40] <DaSkreech> Seveas: hi there. any info on why the bots are non responsive and on vacation?
[10:40] <uwo> fritsch: tnx
[10:40] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Go Seveas Go! :)
[10:40] <fritsch> uwo: every "piece of hardware" gets a user group, f.e. cdrom may use cdrom etc.
[10:40] <pielgrzym> fritsch: why?
[10:40] <pielgrzym> fritsch: just removed it ^^
[10:40] <fritsch> uwo: after that you have just to add users to groups
[10:40] <pielgrzym> fritsch: Opera started to behave normally
[10:40] <fritsch> pielgrzym: because i removed it, too
[10:40] <Seveas> DaSkreech, they're reconnecting and due to the high amount of channels they're in they have a lag of 2+ minutes after connect
[10:40] <fritsch> pielgrzym: did not want to have powersave installed ...
[10:41] <fritsch> pielgrzym: cool
[10:41] <pielgrzym> fritsch: hehe
[10:41] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Possibly seperate processes for X chans?
[10:41] <pielgrzym> fritsch: thanks :) I wonder what was this kubuntu-desktop package for :)
[10:41] <Seveas> DaSkreech, that would mean separate bots ;)
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Seveas: can they be pointed to the same brains?
[10:42] <Seveas> not easily
[10:42] <Seveas> !bot
[10:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:43] <Seveas> anyway, they shouldn't be reconnecting so it's not that big a problem
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Yeha but at least twice today they have been ignoring commands which is not world shattering since you can just ype it out but sometimes for chans it's useful
[10:44] <fritsch> pielgrzym: it is a meta package
[10:44] <Seveas> DaSkreech, exactly twice today
[10:45] <Seveas> a fw minutes ago
[10:45] <fritsch> pielgrzym: just a package which installs "other packages"
[10:45] <Seveas> and a few hours ago they were completely gone
[10:45] <fritsch> pielgrzym: like you need: Cups, Knifes, Oven,
[10:45] <pielgrzym> fritsch: I see :)
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Ok thanks :) back to stomping with big boots on.
[10:45] <fritsch> pielgrzym: you say: sudo apt-get install kitchen
[10:45] <pielgrzym> fritsch: :)))))
[10:45] <fritsch> hehe, it` s my funny day, today -- but clear now?
[10:46] <pielgrzym> fritsch: yup :D
[10:48] <otaku-san> well w00t!  I finally got DVDs and Flash to play with sound....is done boasting over recent hacking
[10:49] <cherokeegirl> Can anyone tell me why is it that new accounts don't have access to everything the first account has and how to enable it?
[10:49] <turbomaksimus> add @groups
[10:50] <cherokeegirl> @groups?
[11:00] <DaSkreech> !info libmagick
[11:03] <waspius> hi..if i run apps with karamba do i use allot of cpu and memory?
[11:03] <fritsch> waspius: yes
[11:03] <fritsch> waspius: just give it a try
[11:03] <DaSkreech> !ubotu
[11:03] <fritsch> waspius: the eyecandy stuff needs a lot of power
[11:03] <waspius> ok..thanx
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Ahh Dumb bot
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> cherokeegirl: edit /etc/adduser.conf (unhash EXTRA_GROUPS ADD_EXTRA_GROUPS) then when you do sudo adduser newuser (then it should be put into the right groups)
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> cherokeegirl: (right at the end of the file)
[11:04] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: mmmh would be adduser --gid not be better?
[11:04] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: adduser --ingroup i mean?
[11:04] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: or does he want to change the default?
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> Would you not need to specify all the groups then ?
[11:05] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes
[11:05] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: because, if you just do "adduser" and give a person you just want to give a shell ... "all he needs to highjack"
[11:05] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: not good default
[11:05] <DaSkreech> !info libmagick9
[11:05] <ubotu> libmagick9: Image manipulation library. In component main, is optional. Version 6:6.2.4.5-0.6ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 1217 kB, installed size 4120 kB
[11:06] <DaSkreech> !info libdrm2
[11:06] <ubotu> libdrm2: Userspace interface to kernel DRM services -- runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 72 kB
[11:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: means: if you forget, that this user will be allowed to do everything
[11:06] <fritsch> DaSkreech: !package > $ownnick helps
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: But for a desktop its different (I think so anyway) I wouldn't give a shell to anyone I didn't trust anyway
[11:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: okay, you are right
[11:06] <DaSkreech> fritsch: yeah ... I have no idea what I'm looking for :(
[11:06] <fritsch> DaSkreech: ic
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Some driver is causing all programs run by X to segfault
[11:07] <DaSkreech>  That's why it not having any errors
[11:08] <fritsch> DaSkreech: don`t think so
[11:08] <fritsch> DaSkreech: only drivers crash, which are loaded
[11:08] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Why not?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Well some library then
[11:14] <dima_> Hi, folks. Does anyone here has any experience with Broadcom 4318 wifi card?
[11:15] <dima_> Does it now work without ndiswrapper&
[11:15] <dima_> ??
[11:15] <patientfox> hey what package i need to install to get gcc/g++ and all the general dev tools?
[11:15] <fritsch> dima_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102
[11:15] <lupine> some people have managed it
[11:15] <lupine> build-essential
[11:16] <patientfox> i see
[11:17] <a|i3N> i'm back. lol. Is there a flash player available for konqueror?
[11:17] <lupine> same one as for firefox works
[11:17] <lupine> and the sound works with less messing about :)
[11:18] <a|i3N> i guess i need to install it as root - how do i do that from the console?
[11:18] <lupine> no, just select the (already-installed) libflashplayer*so* (wherever it is - probably the firefox/mozilla plugins directory) in the relevant konq. dialogue
[11:19] <lupine> Settings->Konq.->Plugins->Plugins
[11:19] <a|i3N> well, mozilla and firefox weren't installed by default i don't think, konqueror is the only browser on here
[11:19] <a|i3N> i installed firefox from the repository but I don't *think* it has flash with it
[11:20] <fritsch_> dima gone :-'(
[11:20] <lupine> ah, got you. in that case just download the flash plugin from the abode site; you can run as root (in which case it goes into /usr/lib), or as a normal user (~/.firefox)
[11:20] <lupine> it's just a self-extracting instaler
[11:20] <lupine> then you can tell konq. to scan for it, and you'll be set
[11:20] <fritsch_> lupine: why not installing flashplugin-nonfree?
[11:21] <lupine> 'cos I didn't know it existed ;)
[11:21] <lupine> !flash
[11:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:21] <lupine> !flashplugin > lupine
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <lupine> I can't see it in my repos
[11:21] <a|i3N> ok
[11:21] <fritsch_> !flashplugin-nonfree
[11:22] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:22] <fritsch_> it is in multiverse ...
[11:22] <octan> Hi all. i need help..
[11:22] <octan> my X wount start up
[11:22] <a|i3N> and that'll automatically install it into konqueror?
[11:23] <octan> i get EE no devices detected
[11:23] <fritsch_> octan: have you access to a shell?
[11:23] <fritsch_> octan: sudo apt-get update && sudo  apt-get upgrade
[11:23] <octan> fritsch_: yes
[11:23] <fritsch_> octan: this will fix it
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: That's you :)
[11:23] <octan> fritsch_:  you think that?
[11:23] <fritsch_> octan: got it? xerver-xorg-core was buggy
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> Hm?
[11:24] <octan> fritsch_: isnt the a issue with xorg
[11:24] <fritsch_> octan: they fixed it some hours later
[11:24] <fritsch_> octan: yes
[11:24] <octan> fritsch_: ahh ok
[11:24] <Ash-Fox> You can type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4' to upgrade to the correct version (provided the mirror is upto date, else wait), or 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10' to downgrade
[11:24] <fritsch_> octan: xserver-xorg-core must be 10.4
[11:24] <fritsch_> Ash-Fox: ty
[11:24] <fritsch_> octan: just try, if there come any updates
[11:24] <octan> ok,, thxz. i'll give it a shot
[11:24] <fritsch_> octan: if not, do the 2nd part of Ash-Fox advice
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> kubuntu uses /etc/init.d/<service> start  yet other distros use /etc/rc.d/<service> start how come???
[11:27] <lupine> rc?.d/* are usually just symlinks to /etc/init.d/*
[11:27] <a|i3N> i think i can figure this out. fritsch how do I run a terminal as root?
[11:28] <lupine> a|i3N: you don't usually. Just open a normal terminal and prefix root commands with "sudo"
[11:28] <a|i3N> ooh ok
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> thanx lupine :-)
[11:28] <lupine> it'll ask for your (normal user) password the first time, then do it automatically from then (within a certain timeout anyway)
[11:28] <fritsch_> lupine: mmh, we wanted to teach him using graphical tools ;-)
[11:29] <lupine> terminal is faster
[11:30] <lupine> just sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (after enabling repos, d'oh!)
[11:30] <lupine> I swear this computer keeps reverting changes on me
[11:32] <Berbo> anyone know how to fix the hang up at configuring network, while installing (on a laptop with wireless itegrated)
[11:33] <shane_> Here comes a dumb question. Why are all the help guides for Kubuntu linked to Ubuntu when you cannot follow them exactly because Ubuntu is in Gnome and Kubuntu KDE...
[11:33] <shane_> Why not have Kubuntu help guides?
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> Someone has to want to write it I guess
[11:34] <jujimufu> well, what is it with you too?
[11:34] <jujimufu> *two
[11:34] <jujimufu> as in
[11:34] <jujimufu> are you bored instead of writing "gnome", to write "kde" in following all the guides?
[11:34] <jujimufu> besides, kubuntu is based on ubuntu
[11:34] <jujimufu> everything htat works on ubuntu works on kubuntu, apart from the G and K thing
[11:34] <jujimufu> that's the only difference
[11:34] <a|i3N> thanks again guys. Figured it out. :) installed in firefox folder then imported it into konqueror
[11:35] <DaSkreech> shane_: If you can copy what ever guide you are reading and make it more kubuntuish that would be grand :)
[11:35] <DaSkreech> shane_: litte steps help a lot
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> I don't think any guides should have any gui stuff in them (no point in using a unix like os without learning the cli methods)
[11:35] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: this is not what development means
[11:35] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: you sir are a prude :)
[11:35] <waylandbill> well, i got an iPod nano 2G... how do I use amaroK to load it up?
[11:35] <shane_> Its not a huge difference but I would think that someone would have already done that just to make things more user friendly
[11:35] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: what linux is trying to do now is become user friendly so the average user can use it. :)
[11:35] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: linux is not l33tness in any kind of way :)
[11:36] <lupine> why not have alt-method sections?
[11:36] <shane_> h3sp4wn the name says it all
[11:36] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: well, it is. In the same way a footballer is |33ter than a 12-year old playing football with his grandfather
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: I don't think it is but I think people should learn to use it as effectively as possible
[11:36] <lupine> e.g. for [ku|u|edu] buntu GUI, do this... universal CLI: do that
[11:36] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: well, what if you were able to do stuff as effectively through a GUI?
[11:36] <lupine> lol!
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: It is impossible
[11:36] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: is not :)
[11:36] <lupine> some things are more effective in a GUI
[11:36] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: and whether you want it or not, this is the way linux is heading to :)
[11:36] <lupine> most of system admin is not
[11:37] <shane_> !nvidia
[11:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:37] <jujimufu> lupine: maybe now, but just as some years ago there was no adept, and there was only apt-get, maybe there will be a way in the futureto do anything.
[11:37] <shane_> See that guide cannot be followed by Kubuntu users and especially if they are new to Linux.
[11:38] <jujimufu> lupine: and yes, user management through kuser is MUCH more easier than having to deal with the console
[11:38] <lupine> oh, adept is way better than apt-get - feature-wise
[11:38] <jujimufu> lupine: I use apt-get anyway :)
[11:38] <lupine> but it is a lot slower, especially for simple stuff
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: sudo adduser username (what is complicated about that)
[11:38] <jujimufu> lupine: yeah, but at least it's approachable by anyone, from us to someone who has no idea what linux stands for.
[11:38] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: what about groups, permissions, passwords, names, pictures and all that?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: set it up once in /etc/adduser.conf
[11:39] <jujimufu> yeah yeah, set up this, write this, configure this, compile the other, debug another and you'r edone, how charming :)
[11:39] <jujimufu> that's not how linux is going to large masses
[11:40] <jujimufu> see, windows is all over the world due to the fact that, concerning average users, most don't even know there is a command line, they just use it.
[11:40] <lupine> tbh, with the current GUI tools, linux is a long way from the (unwashed? ;) ) masses
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> I don't really see the advantage of using linux if you just want it to act like windows
[11:40] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You gimp in cli?
[11:40] <rrbiz> On Kubuntu Konqueror, on the menubar the "go" is not there, Kubuntu is the only distro that removes it, what's up with that, and can I get it back on?
[11:40] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: oh, really? so it's all about just working on a unix-based OS, right?
[11:41] <waylandbill> KDE detected the iPod. It shows directories.. I don't know what to do now
[11:41] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: I thought linux was about open source, stability, security, speed, compactness, optimisation and such. But meh, yeah, you're right. It's just about using a *nix...
[11:41] <otaku-san> hey whats some good little games too play in LInux
[11:41] <waylandbill> the pod itself says "do not disconnect"
[11:41] <jujimufu> otaku-san: cedega, to begin with .It's $5 a month, ffs.
[11:42] <otaku-san> free small games
[11:42] <lupine> Xmoto?
[11:42] <jujimufu> otaku-san: oh. sorry :)
[11:42] <jujimufu> otaku-san: check Katomic, it got me crazy :)
[11:42] <jujimufu> otaku-san: and kbounce too :D
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: phalanx is a pretty good chess program (use it with xboard or eboard)
[11:42] <otaku-san> ok
[11:42] <lupine> Wesnoth!
[11:42] <jujimufu> now that I mention it, I am off to download katomic...
[11:42] <jujimufu> mwahaha
[11:43] <Erich-K> Otaku-san: Also check out frozen-bubble :)
[11:43] <jujimufu> heh :)
[11:43] <jujimufu> yeah
[11:43] <jujimufu> anyone know a GOOD tetris simulation on kde?
[11:43] <otaku-san> heheh wesnoth is good but I'm looking for something like trackball...or something
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: kubuntu / ubuntu are definately not about optimisation and speed
[11:43] <waylandbill> some know how to handle the iPod with amarok?
[11:43] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: what difference does it make the name of the distribution? If you know your way around, it doesn't make a single bit of difference whether you're using gentoo or mandriva...
[11:44] <jujimufu> waylandbill: just throw your iPod in the air and let it hit the floor. It might actually get to work :)
[11:44] <jujimufu> waylandbill: sorry for this response, but I've had tons of problems with my ipod, and I think they all deserve a kick in the nuts. Twice.
[11:44] <DaSkreech> !games > otaku-san
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: It makes a difference as to whether they run feel fast or slow
[11:44] <Erich-K> !games
[11:44] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:44] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: this. is. all. about. optimisation
[11:45] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: I think ubotu does not like you
[11:45] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: there are people who can make a gentoo installation run slower than mandriva, and some who could make kubuntu run faster than LFS
[11:45] <DaSkreech> waylandbill: Umm try #amarok They like to show off ;)
[11:45] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: I take that back...it just came up
[11:45] <jujimufu> DaSkreech: lol :d
[11:45] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: You didn't get the PM?
[11:45] <DaSkreech> :-(
[11:45] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: Look up^^^
[11:45] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: and if you care about speed, why are you using kubuntu anyway...
[11:45] <DaSkreech> It's sad when a bot puts you on /ignore
[11:46] <jujimufu> DaSkreech: lol :D
[11:46] <jujimufu> kjf
[11:46] <jujimufu> lol
[11:46] <alex_> who source.list?
[11:46] <jujimufu> there is this cat on my desk
[11:46] <jujimufu> and it's pressig stuff
[11:46] <jujimufu> wait
[11:46] <alex_> jujimufu source list dapper?
[11:46] <jujimufu> alex_: want me to send it to you?
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> jujimufu: I am not using debian unstable at the moment (kubuntu is unusable on this laptop) whereas debian etch / sid is fast
[11:47] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: then what are you doing in a lame channel such as this?
[11:47] <jujimufu> this is for lamers like us, who are using kubuntu, because we are still n00bs. Seriously, I wonder, what are you doing here?
[11:47] <Hawkwind> We're n00bs ??
[11:48] <Hawkwind> Doubtful everyone here is
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> They are the same for most purposes (other than debian being faster)
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Maybe debian is a little more difficult to install
[11:50] <jujimufu> h3sp4wn: oh... but I thought debian, being on of the first official distros around, was one of the most optimizable, quick, stable and secure distros. So, if speed is the only thing that difers between (k/x)ubuntu and debian, then ubuntu is still pretty good, if you don't care about those 5ms of boot-time... Yeah... and this is why LINUx (not any distro ins particular) is trying to get more userfriendly, because windows is lacking all of the abo
[11:50] <fyyrest0rm> can anyone suggest a linux alternative to limewire?
[11:50] <Erich-K> frostwire
[11:50] <jujimufu> fyyrest0rm: emule?
[11:50] <fyyrest0rm> :) you guys are the best lol
[11:51] <jujimufu> fyyrest0rm: no, we're not. We are using kubuntu, not debian...
[11:51] <orient2000> gnutella works just fine
[11:51] <fyyrest0rm> lmao
[11:51] <jujimufu> orient2000: I prefer kopete :)
[11:51] <lupine> limewire doesn't use eD2K
[11:51] <jujimufu> lupine: I am not into p2p stuff, so count me out of it. I just thought all p2p are the same
[11:52] <lupine> nah. different p2p networks
[11:52] <jujimufu> lupine: i DON'T LIKE DOWNLOADING ILLEGALLY ANYWAYS..
[11:52] <jujimufu> um.. caps... sorry...
[11:52] <lupine> I just use bittorrent these day. most of it is surprisingly legit
[11:52] <jujimufu> lupine: meh
[11:52] <fyyrest0rm> jujimufi: kopete does p2p? Wow, I suppose you're gonna tell me that konqueror will make me a pizza? <grin>
[11:53] <jujimufu> fyyrest0rm: I was talking To orient2000 :)
[11:53] <DaSkreech> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[11:53] <jujimufu> DaSkreech: what happened? The pizza came?
[11:53] <Erich-K> Test
[11:53] <fyyrest0rm> jujimufu: i know..he mentioned gnutella, you said kopete..ahh nm..too early :)
[11:53] <jujimufu> problem with IRC is, nobody can really express frustration by just pressing keys, or hold a key pressed for a period of time...
[11:53] <Erich-K> Erich-K: TEst
[11:53] <jujimufu> best way would be like...
[11:54] <jujimufu> alskjdgfas
[11:54] <orient2000> oh illegal downloads are so slow anyway but there is a lot of nice pdf files like cook books and technical manuals
[11:54] <DaSkreech> jujimufu: Fonts was what was breaking my system
[11:54] <Erich-K> Can someone send me a test message like "Erich-K: Test"
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> Erich-K: Test
[11:54] <Berbo> anyone know how to fix the hang up at configuring network, while installing (on a laptop with wireless itegrated)
[11:54] <Erich-K> Thank you
[11:54] <lupine> dunno about slow - I was downloading one item at 400KB/sec afew days ago
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Berbo: Is it stopping you from being able to boot ? - is this attempting to install or firstboot ?
[11:55] <lupine> a (legal) iso for something or another
[11:55] <Berbo> when it loads thekernel for install, it freezes on Configuring network interfaces
[11:55] <Berbo> after "press enter to boot or install"
[11:56] <Erich-K> h3sp4wn: Once more please
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> Erich-K: Test
[11:56] <Erich-K> Ah, that got it
[11:56] <Erich-K> Thanks
[11:56] <jujimufu> omg, I think my cat wants to become a programmer :) It stepped on the keyboard, changed my keyboard layout to greek (dunno how he managed that), and then, he looked at the screen, and after smelling the mouse (thank god itdidn't eat it), it pressed with its nose the buttons, and then it looked at the screen again LOL :D
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> Berbo: Have you tried the alternate install cd ?
[11:56] <Berbo> h3sp4wn yeah I just tried the newest on same thing
[11:57] <jujimufu> Berbo: do you have network running?
[11:57] <jujimufu> Berbo: as in, why not remove the cables, install, and then configure it from the installed system
[11:57] <Berbo> I tried it with a network cable pluged/unplugged same thing, don't think I can turn off the wireless
[11:57] <jujimufu> Berbo: why not?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> Berbo: So you have tried both the desktop cd and the alternate cd ?
[11:58] <alex_> ss
[11:58] <Berbo> tried desktop now, should I try alternate ?
[11:58] <alex_> jujimufu: yes
[11:58] <alex_> send me source list dapper
[11:58] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Figured it out
[11:58] <jujimufu> alex_: that took you a long time :)
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> Berbo: The alternate one
[11:58] <AtKaaZ> hi, how do I know which script is used when i press the (laptop)power button that goes init 6 ?
[11:58] <Berbo> jujimufu I got a button to turn it off but thats only in windows, don't think it works while booting
[11:58] <jujimufu> alex_: wait
[11:59] <jujimufu> Berbo: yeah, can't you turn it off hardwarely?
[11:59] <alex_> jujimufu: thanks
[11:59] <Berbo> jujimufu its built in somewhere inside the laptop
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> Berbo: (Download it and you will get 6.6.1 - maybe that will fix your problem - if it doesn't - there is an install method from knoppix you could try)
[11:59] <lupine> bios usually has an option
[11:59] <jujimufu> Berbo: still there should be a way to turn it off... What about turning off the wireless network (if any)
[12:00] <uranther> how come when i set the screensaver or power saving mode on my monitor, the monitor never does either? and I know it can do it, because it did it before
[12:00] <Berbo> h3sp4wn ok I'll get it now thanks
[12:00] <lupine> AtKaaZ: /etc/inittab  what you're looking for?
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: /etc/rc6.d (everything in there is run)
[12:01] <jujimufu> alex_: http://pastebin.ca/146812
[12:01] <AtKaaZ> lupine: no not really; smth to do with /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn (for example) it says /etc/acpi/lid.sh runs ...
[12:01] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: yes, but i want it to exec a special script only when lid button or power buttons are pressed (such as set my keyb to xlat, dno howto do this either)
[12:01] <alex_> jujimufu: thanks very...
[12:02] <alex_> jujimufu: im from braziliam
[12:02] <lupine> check your rc6.d then (as h3sp4wn suggested)
[12:02] <alex_> jujimufu: no speking english
[12:02] <lupine> although that is linked to from /etc/inittab, so I think I should get half a point ;)
[12:02] <alex_> jujimufu: speaking english
[12:03] <AtKaaZ> lupine: it seems to me that a script happens to switch to runlevel 6 so it's before rc6.d that's im interested in:)
[12:03] <Eeyore> ! serial mouse
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about serial mouse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:03] <Eeyore> ! mouse
[12:03] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Ok i have a new issue now
[12:04] <AtKaaZ> lupine: ie /etc/acpi/lid.sh but i put a simple touch file; exit 0  in that script and doesn't get executed when lid switch changes
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Once X starts my keyboard is dead
[12:04] <jujimufu> alex_: a! bralilia? como vai tudo?
[12:04] <orient2000> ! mouse
[12:04] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[12:04] <jujimufu> alex_: sources.list por dapper: http://pastebin.ca/146812 :)
[12:04] <lupine> the init process handles the switches between runlevels, IIRC. that's controlled by inittab.
[12:04] <DaSkreech> How do I debug that?
[12:05] <AtKaaZ> lupine: i agree with the while init thing :) it's just that happens after the thing i'm looking for :D
[12:05] <AtKaaZ> whole*
[12:06] <lupine> don't know what tells init to switch runlevels, sorry
[12:06] <AtKaaZ> lupine: it's ok; thanks for that ;)
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: Are you using powersaved or just /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh (are you just modifying that ?)
[12:08] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: seems to be a /usr/sbin/powersaved process, but i did modify that script to touch a file and it didn't; furthermore when i do press the power button everything seems to be still working: so is either not that script or it is cached(dumb1)
[12:08] <alex_> jujimufu: very fine
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: If you look at the first part of that script it exits and lets powersaved deal with it if powersaved is running
[12:09] <jujimufu> alex_: obrigado :) boa noite :D
[12:09] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: but there's also /usr/sbin/acpid which seems to be responsible
[12:09] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: imma kill powersaved then :)
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: Why not just work out how powersaved deals with it I presume its used for a reason (probably its better)
[12:10] <alex_> jujimufu: do you a trap in brazilian?