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jdonghey, did anyone else notice that xorg-server-core was broken in a recent update? ;)01:41
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infinityjdong: And then subsequently fixed?  Yes, I noticed.01:42
jdonggreat job on the response time, btw01:43
infinityjdong: I also noticed a lot of people upset because we didn't test on *their* hardware before we shipped the broken package.01:43
jdongyeah, but I do think it brings out a "weakness" in our testing process for updates :-/01:43
=== infinity notes that if people want 100% hardware support, they're always welcome to buy their computers in identical pairs, and send one to us.
=== jdong notes maybe we should have an updates screening team?
crimsunand purchase a contract from Canonical.01:44
=== jdong would gladly accept testing machines :)
jdonglike a mac pro or two01:44
infinityjdong: We do have -proposed pockets, but tend to only use it for stuff we think will be massively disruptive.01:44
infinityjdong: Rodrigo didn't realise this patch would blow up the world, so it went straight in.  Mistakes happen.01:45
infinity(Note that it works for a large number of people)01:45
jdongperfectly understandable; I'm not blaming anyone or bitching here01:45
=== jdong actually was not affected
jdongon all 4 of my systems01:45
=== jdong just had to put up with a day's worth of this on the forums :)
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infinityYeah, I've been suffering through it on ubuntu-users.01:46
Burgworkinfinity, you still read that?01:46
infinitySpecifically, trying to understand why no one can READ before they post.01:46
LaserJockat least we can fix our mistakes01:46
jdonginfinity: yeah, really :-/01:46
infinity"Here's the fix, have fun" followed by 12-24 more hours of "OH GOD, IT'S BROKEN!"01:46
jdongwe're using a front-page announcement and still people are posting new threads about it01:47
infinityBurgwork: I do, yes.  I realise this is probably not rational.01:47
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcceptanceRepositoryProposal was raised, which I think simply duplicates -proposed.01:47
mjg59-proposed makes sense01:47
mjg59And it's a model that Debian follows01:47
Burgworkinfinity, dude, my sanity was threatened by that mailing list about 4 months ago, so I gave up01:47
mjg59We just need to ensure that enough people are actually using it01:47
mjg59And understand that things may break occasionally01:48
jdongyeah, it's more about the people testing it than the channel being used01:48
jdongthere needs to be a clear form of communication01:48
jdongmaybe something on launchpad01:48
jdonga testing interface01:48
jdongwhere people can vote for proposed updates01:48
mjg59This was clearly a screwup, but it's the sort of screwup that happens to every OS vendor occasionally01:48
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jdongmjg59: don't take it too harshly. Just a mistake, we'll get over it :)01:48
Burgworkmjg59, MS just got caught by its pants down over yet another security update01:49
mjg59NT4 SP 5 broke PS/2 input on a moderate number of machines01:49
mjg59Which was a bit of a fucker, given that it didn't support USB01:49
jdongevery vendor's been susceptible to it01:49
infinityI don't mind pushing for higher use of -proposed, but from my Debian experience, I know that we won't get much testing from it anyway.01:50
mjg59infinity: Yeah, but at least in that case we've tried01:51
infinityI've had updates in Debian's -proposed-updates for months that never got a single bug reported against them until they moved into a point-release.01:51
jdonginfinity: yeah, which is why you need a TEAM of testers01:51
jdongnot just a repository with test packages01:51
infinityPerhaps our rabid, crack-loving users would be more likely to use -proposed than Debian's users.01:51
crimsunjdong: which in way can possibly ensure coverage for all the bug reports that will come in.01:52
=== jdong would happily add bleeding edge repos :)
crimsunin no way, even01:52
infinityBut, that said, we'll still have the SAME flamefests, as people are using -proposed when they don't have the requisite skills to fix their systems.01:52
profoX`infinity: that might be because alot of users don't know about it.. i would use it if I knew it before01:52
jdonginfinity: it'd be better than the flamefests of completely clueless users getting hit by this bug01:52
crimsunThe only way it would get greater use is if it's enabled by default. Which is the same end effect as what you just experienced.01:53
profoX`jdong: completely agree, this X bork caught alot of users completely off guard01:53
infinityjdong: See above.  We have lots of completely clueless users who don't think they are, until they get bitten by anything they can't immediately solve with a cut and paste from a forum.01:53
jdongwell, if they were using a testing repo they asked for it....01:53
infinityjdong: And the ricers will all use -proposed, if they know about it, because bigger version numbers are better, or some such.01:53
profoX`infinity: well, the proposed repository should NOT be enabled by default01:54
infinityprofoX`: No, and it never owuld be.01:54
jdongdefinitely -proposed should not be default01:54
Burgworkthe reality is, things are going to break01:54
profoX`if the users choose to use -proposed, it's their own fault..01:54
Burgworkit would be better to work on the X failover stuff01:54
profoX`(if they can't fix their system)01:54
infinityprofoX`: But have you seen the number of people who ask "Can someone give be a good sources.list for dapper?!! ZOMG!" and then will blindly copy and paste whatever anyone else gives them? :)01:54
HrdwrBoBinfinity: indeed, I have a massive botnet already!01:55
HrdwrBoBer.. nothing.01:55
infinityBurgwork: X failover probably wouldn't have helped in this case anyway.01:55
Burgworkinfinity, no, because it was X itself that failed01:55
profoX`infinity: yes I'm aware of that. But that's not our fault. That are human errors :)01:55
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jdongtake it easy, everyone01:55
mjg59infinity: I think it's acceptable to piss off the crack addicts if it helps us avoid pissing off, say, Luis01:56
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tsengluis's blog was rough01:56
shawarmatseng: link?01:57
mjg59I think Luis's blog was fair01:57
tsengit was fair, but it hit me hard coming from him01:57
mjg59It's not acceptable for us to break shit in a long-term stable distribution01:57
tsengshawarma: http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/08/22/still-learning-what-long-term-support-means/01:57
tsengshawarma: its not that rough in and of itself01:57
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tsengsigh david nielsen in the comments01:58
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LaserJockif we could put stuff in edgy first it would help but most of the time that won't work01:59
profoX`There is a cycle called "DTAP (Development, Testing, Acceptance, Production)" which means we have to develop (few people), then test (more people), then when it should be good - it should be put in an acceptance phase (meaning: this software is supposed to be stable, but we are going to test it on a big scale now [which is especially handy to check many hardware platforms on a small timescale] ) and if it passes that without problems, i01:59
profoX`t's ready to be released for everyone01:59
LaserJockat least with the big things like X ,  kernel, etc.01:59
LaserJockyeah, the problem is getting enough people to test something that may break their system02:00
tsengprofoX`: that would be a pretty ass way to handle a zero day vulnerability02:00
profoX`anyway, the first step in solving a problem is to find the mistake.. how did the borked X come through?02:01
tsengif you weren't under an embargo02:01
profoX`tseng: for vulnerabilities you have to follow other guidelines of course.02:01
profoX`I think critical security updates should keep the current testing procedures, and get released in the main repositories immediately.02:01
crimsunthat presupposes sane upstream. Ever tried backporting FF security fixes from 1.5 to 1.0x?02:02
tsengfirefox is special02:03
profoX`crimsun: well I suppose exceptions could be made?02:03
crimsunthe problem is getting -proposed to be used more (if -proposed's visibility & role are elevated)02:04
profoX`what I'm most interested in is how this X update got through. Did it apply to everyone? Did it get tested by the maintainers before it got released in the repositories and pass the test? was it an upstream bug?02:04
infinityprofoX`: THe problem did not apply to everyone, it worked fine on the systems it was tested on, the patch (and bug) came from upstream.02:05
LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, I pretty much didn't know -proposed existed until this02:05
infinityprofoX`: Wider testing would have caught the issue, obviously, but it's always a question of "how wide is wide enough".02:05
profoX`infinity: wider testing as in extending the use of -proposed to include small fixes, and to make the -proposed repository known to experienced users? (I think everyone for him/herself should decide whether he/she thinks she can handle it or not, and if in doubt, just leave it without the -proposed repo)02:07
infinityprofoX`: Using -proposed more is likely a good idea.  Undecided on whether we should mandate it -- as we do in Debian.02:08
infinityOf course, we need to fix some things in soyuz to use it the same way Debian does.02:09
infinity(Right now, we can't move packages from -proposed to -updates without a fressh upload and rebuild to -updates, which is silly)02:09
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profoX`(yes, that's silly, but that can be fixed)02:12
infinityIt can be, but not immediately.02:12
LaserJockis -proposed supposed to be used only for -updates? or for general use, including edgy?02:13
infinityWe don't have infinite man-hours, and the Soyuz development team is overloaded.02:13
infinityLaserJock: Err, come again?  Note the implied ${DIST} there. :)  As in ${DIST}-proposed02:13
infinityLaserJock: dapper-proposed would be used for dapper-updates.02:13
LaserJockdo we have an edgy-proposed, I guess is my question?02:14
infinityLaserJock: edgy-proposed, for edgy-updates.  No point in using edgy0proposed for anything BEFORE we release edgy, that's just extra overhead with no benefit.02:14
LaserJockk, got ya02:14
infinityLaserJock: Given that anyone useing edgy should expect it to be far less stable than dapper+updates+proposed, I wouldn't see the point.02:14
LaserJockheh, well hopefully that is the case02:15
infinity(Though this doesn't stop people from screaming on lists, blogs and bugs when edgy breaks, much as people did for this dapper breakage)02:15
profoX`yes but thats not our problem.. it is known that edgy shouldn't be used in stable environments and that it can cause breakage02:16
Burgundaviainfinity: we made OSnews!02:16
profoX`for dapper, thats a different story02:16
profoX`what are the plans now with -proposed ? who is going to decide what is going to happen with it ?02:20
infinityBurgundavia: The story's fair, though I question their choice of posts to link to.02:20
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Burgundaviainfinity: I got trolled by eugenia at LWE. Did you see the pictures they posted?02:21
tsengthis is the same site that thinks "Linux Heavies Plan.." is a good headline02:21
tseng(and reviews of BlueSkyCandyLandOS)02:22
infinityBurgundavia: No..02:23
tsengBurgundavia: jorge mentioned them but i failed to find them02:23
Burgundaviajust a sec02:24
BurgundaviaI am picture 3 and 402:25
Burgundaviamake that 2 and 302:25
Burgundaviaread the quote under 202:25
Burgundaviaand those are truly awful pictures of me02:25
tsengtasteful quoting02:25
BurgundaviaI guess I learned a lesson about saying things publicly02:26
tsengthe pictures arent horrible02:26
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tseng"lock-down" is not an adjective in my vocabulary"02:27
Burgundaviatseng: her words, not mine02:28
tsengI'm aware.02:28
Burgundaviahence why we are shipping our lead developer to the boston summit02:28
Burgundaviawe plan on making lockdown a word in every developers vocabulary02:28
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bddebianHowdy folks03:04
bddebianHello Kaleo03:16
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HrdwrBoBI'm sure this affects close to 0 people04:51
HrdwrBoBbut I'd like it if the liveCD had more loop devices04:51
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lnxkdesomeone can help me with a costumization a the LIvecd?06:34
lnxkdeI have made 3 live cds following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06 06:34
lnxkdeand they work nicely for livecds, but when I want to install the installer crash almost when finishing the instalation06:35
lnxkdesomeone can help me make anice live cd with added packages and nice IDEs and things I can use in the collage?06:36
LaserJocklnxkde: I'd ask some other projects who are making custom Desktop CDs06:39
LaserJockhmm, good question06:42
LaserJockthe only one I know of right off hand is Ichthux06:43
LaserJockbut I'd just google it06:43
lnxkdeLarstiQ,  u christian?06:56
lnxkdeLaserJock : u chritian06:57
LaserJocklnxkde: yeah06:58
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Hobbseedoes someone feel like rebuilding evolution-webcal?06:59
Hobbseeie, someone who can upload it>07:00
lnxkdeLaserJock : me too :D 07:00
infinityHobbsee: Just needs a rebuild upload?  What for?07:01
Hobbseeinfinity: to change the shlibs depends from libecal1.2-3 to libecal1.2-707:02
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Hobbseeinfinity: which will then make u-d installable again07:02
lnxkdeLaserJock : well please add me to your jabber or msn acount07:02
infinityHobbsee: Spiff.  Can do.07:02
Hobbseeinfinity: cool :)07:02
lnxkdeLaserJock : lnxkde@kdetalk.net  or poimen7@hotmail.com07:03
Hobbseehey what?  it failed to build!07:03
Hobbseeno, wait, it looks like it's my system.  dont worry07:03
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LaserJockheh, that sure is a vote of confidence07:03
infinityHobbsee: Oh, looks like seb already uploaded it, but it was FTBFS...07:07
=== infinity looks.
Hobbseeinfinity: er.  the last changelog entry is supposed to have fixed that.07:07
Hobbseeer, yeah07:07
=== Hobbsee pokes her brain into working a bit
Hobbseewhich explains why i dont have the latest version07:08
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infinityToo sick today to take the hard way out unless I have to. :)07:09
Hobbseeinfinity: not more people sick :(07:09
infinitySomething vicious is going around.  I was up all night coughing, haven't slept a wink in over a day. :/07:09
Hobbseeinfinity: yeah, still failing to build07:09
Hobbseeinfinity: http://rafb.net/paste/results/j41qcI33.html is the error here.  probably the same on the buildds07:10
infinityHobbsee: Sadly, yes.  Guess that means a retry won't fix it.07:10
infinityThose symbols names look suspiciously mozilla-ish.07:11
infinityPerhaps libedataserver is meant to be linked with libnspr and isn't.07:11
infinityOh, or perhaps libedataserver-dev is lacking a dependency on libnspr-dev07:12
infinityThat would make my life easier.07:12
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infinityNo, it has one.  Feh.07:12
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Hobbseehehe.  sorry for giving you more work there, infinity 07:15
infinityThat's alright, it IS my job.07:15
Hobbseetrue that.  being sick does suck though :P07:16
infinityAnd how.07:16
infinity        libnspr4.so => /usr/lib/libnspr4.so (0xb7c52000)07:17
infinityGrr, not found, my ass.07:17
infinityErr, and it builds in my chroot.07:18
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infinityHobbsee: Okay, sorted on all arches except powerpc, which I'm working on.07:42
Hobbseeinfinity: cool :)07:42
Hobbseeinfinity: that means i could possibly install ubuntu-desktop, then :P07:42
infinityHobbsee: In another hour or so, yeah.07:42
Hobbseewell, yeah07:42
LaserJockHobbsee: woah, scary07:43
HobbseeLaserJock: indeed.07:43
LaserJockI installed kubuntu-desktop on 2 of my machines so it must be contagious07:44
Hobbseehey sivang!07:46
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Kagoumjg59: around ?08:06
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Keybukheh, damn that automatic "laptop on" reaction08:50
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pittiGood morning08:55
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Hobbseehey pitti 08:56
Hobbseehey ogra 08:56
ogramorning ....08:56
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sivangmorning distro sprinters08:57
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pittihey sivang08:59
pittiHobbsee: Hi Sarah08:59
Nafallosivang: good morning (but I'm not a sprinter ;-))08:59
Nafallo*sigh* it's raining, I've to leave for work soon :-(09:00
Hobbseepitti: another person using my real name.  how scary.09:00
NafalloHobbsee: you don't like your name? :-)09:01
pittiHobbsee: sorry, it's not really a secret ...09:01
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HobbseeNafallo: oh i do, i'm just not used to it being used09:02
Hobbseepitti: it's okay.  i even changed it on LP finally :)09:02
Hobbseepitti: it's more that i'm not used to it, rather than having a problem withit09:02
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sivanghey pitti , Nafallo , Sarah ;-)09:05
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Nafallomorning * :-)09:06
Hobbseehey sivang 09:06
Hobbseehey simira 09:06
Mithrandir'morning dudes and dudettes09:07
NafalloMithrandir: hi there :-D09:08
sivangMithrandir: hey there09:09
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simiraMithrandir: feeling low today?09:09
Mithrandirsimira: no, but my body breaks if I can't sit with my laptop in my lap.09:09
Hobbseehey Mithrandir 09:09
infinitydholbach: *poke*09:09
dholbachinfinity: pong09:10
infinitydholbach: Stickynotes so does *not* transparenty upgrade to Tomboy, despite the gnome-applets changelog claiming otherwise.09:10
simiraMithrandir: of course...09:10
dholbachinfinity: upstream is discussing it as well09:10
infinitydholbach: All my stick notes are now inaccessible, since the applet's gone, and TOmboy know nothing about them.09:10
dholbachurg, it should import them09:10
infinitydholbach: Didn't appear to do any such thing.09:11
infinitydholbach: Is there a command I can run manually to make it do so?09:11
dholbachlemme have a quick look09:11
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infinitydholbach: Also, is it known that gnome-terminal's (vte's?) URL-parsing has smoked a giant bowl of crack in the last little while and no longer seems sane?09:13
dholbachinfinity: make a new note and click the "do something" button09:13
dholbachinfinity: it has "import from sticky notes"!09:13
infinitydholbach: Ahh, hrm.  Kay.  it claims it imported 4.  No idea where. :)09:14
infinitydholbach: I'll play with it.09:14
infinityOh, I see, they just don't display by default.09:14
dholbachinfinity: i'll wait for a final verdict on the gnome mailing list and if that doesn't work, just revert that bit again09:14
infinitydholbach: There's no way to make this thing display smallish notes like stickynotes, is there? :/09:14
dholbachinfinity: for the vte/whatever breakage i'll have a look too, although i didn't update them in a ahile09:15
infinitydholbach: I'll file a bug about the vte thing if it doesn't resolve itself and I can get good screenshots/descriptions for you.09:15
infinityWoohoo, mono crashed when I tried to set my Tomboy preferences!09:16
infinityI LOVE TOMBOY SO MUCH.09:16
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lifelessno yet09:16
lifelessyou will be 09:16
infinityYeah, that was sarcasm.  I'm bitter.09:17
infinityGiant windows with huge buttons and embedded wikis do not make a good replacement for compact little sticky notes that don't show up in the task bar and I can keep on my desktop at all times.09:17
infinityI guess I'll just have to find a new way to stay (dis)organised.09:18
lifelesswhats happening to sticky notes ?09:18
infinityIt went away in the latest gnome-applets.09:20
infinityWith a claim that we should all migrate to Tomboy.09:20
infinityAnd now I'm a sad panda.09:20
Mithrandirinfinity: Somebody(tm) could just resurrect it in a new package, I guess.09:21
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infinityMithrandir: I may have to, if dholbach doesn't love me enough to bring it back. :)09:22
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dholbachinfinity: man... I told you! I'll wait for the gnome guys and see what they decide and if not, I'll bring it back on my own :)09:23
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pittisivang: ok, so what was the bug # of your hal issue?09:37
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pittiajmitch: ping?09:42
sivangpitti: yay, malone #5648409:43
UbugtuMalone bug 56484 in hal "hal does not detect media change in USB-DVD-Drive" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5648409:43
sivangpitti: although the title might be misleading.09:43
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sivangpitti: hal doesn't seem to produce anymore the proper info.category entries for CDROMs for example 09:47
pittisivang: ok, this might point to the bug09:47
sivangpitti: or actually failes to return proper results for that category09:47
pittisivang: anyway, ogra has an USB DVD drive here and that one seems to do fine09:48
sivangpitti: that's interesting. I for one can't see my dvd burner anymore in hal-device-manager09:48
sivangpitti: which is under scsi09:48
pittisivang: ok, the attached hal logs to that bug have the same problem09:49
sivangogra: can you try a test with a piece of code of mine?09:49
sivangpitti: okay, cool, so you have everything you need to try and fix it?09:50
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pittisivang: well, I can just poke in logs for now; I asked ogra to send a working lshal for comparison09:50
pittiogra: can you please attach the log to bug 56484 ?09:51
UbugtuMalone bug 56484 in hal "hal does not detect media change in USB-DVD-Drive" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5648409:51
sivangpitti: I have a piece of code that can be used as a test case09:51
sivangpitti: basically, hubackup's device detector09:52
pittisivang: cool, please attach it to the bug09:52
sivangpitti: will do09:53
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ograpitti, done ...09:56
sivangpitti: done09:57
rodarvusinfinity, evolution-webcal is breaking livecd daily build from finishing. I've just talked with seb128 and he told me all thats necessary is a rebuild on the buildds - could you please evolution-webcal for me?09:58
rodarvus"could you please re-schedule evolution-webcal for me", I mean :)09:58
Hobbseerodarvus: rebuild got done, it's installable now10:01
rodarvusthat was fast :D10:01
rodarvus(just kidding)10:01
Hobbseerodarvus: :)  i bugged him about it earlier, when i was considering installing u-d10:01
rodarvusHobbsee, thanks!10:02
Hobbseerodarvus: :)10:02
pittisivang: ok, can reproduce it here10:05
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sivangpitti: yay10:05
pittisivang: your script isn't that useful, it stops with an ImportError :(10:06
sivangpitti: ah, well, you'd better just install hubackup to satisfy the dependencies, or let me know what the import error is about?10:08
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pygisivang, :)10:09
sivanghi pygi 10:09
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janimoiwj: hi, the latest firefox seems to not link to libnss3, so it does not show https pages10:13
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janimoglatzor: hi10:14
sivanghi glatzor 10:15
janimohi sivang10:15
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glatzorhi janimo and hi sivang10:16
dholbachheya janimo10:16
janimohi dholbach10:16
glatzordholbach: hi, are you in wiesbaden too?10:16
dholbachglatzor: yes :)10:17
sivangglatzor: I wanted to ask you, do you know how to customize a GtkFileChooser ?10:18
glatzorsivang: what do you want to know in detail?10:19
sivangglatzor: I was thining maybe the "maual" created selector in the main window of the new hubackup gui could be dropped, and instead we could have a GtkFileChooser that will always defalt to a CDRW/DVDRW whatever, thus leaving all device detection and other related stuff abstracted by the file chooser10:20
sivangglatzor: in the main window, there's a selector that let's you choose either a file, or cdrom to backup to10:20
sivangglatzor: (at least planned)10:20
Riddellenrico: I need more debtags help.  my sources.list file has nothing but this in it "tags file:/usr/share/debtags/"10:21
Kagouhi, i don't remember what we have to do when the usplash screen test is not well scaled in edgy. Can someone remember me ?10:21
Riddellenrico: and /usr/share/debtags has tags-current.gz  vocabulary.gz from "http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/tags/" but I get "debtags: ConsistencyCheckException: Unable to use any data source (not even previously cached ones)"10:21
glatzorsivang: the filechooser doesn't support burning cdroms.10:22
sivangglatzor: I don't understand :)10:22
pygi_sivang, it doesnt show you burner devices10:23
glatzorsivang: choosing a folder/file is different from burning to a cdrom. 10:24
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glatzorsivang: if you need s starting point for hal integration in python you could take a look at the hal device manager10:25
sivangpygi_ , glatzor : if we could customize it it could say "XXX Burner" instead of plain "CDROM 1"10:25
sivangglatzor: I already have hal integratoin , I was just thinking of dropping it since it's changes so often and tends to be fragile :-)10:26
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enricoRiddell: hi.  Can you send me a strace of the debtags update run?10:27
pygi_sivang, use libburn's scan bus :)10:28
glatzorsivang: use info.product for the display name10:28
janimoglatzor: did you have time to look into the remaining gtktreeview issue in g-a-i as an alternate to the last gnome dep?10:29
Riddellenrico: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DEBTAGS-STRACE10:29
sivangglatzor: already doing it :-)10:30
sivangglatzor: anyway, I'm already working to make the data from the TreeView's fit into the selector in your glade file10:30
sivangglatzor: however, need to go now, talk later10:31
glatzorjanimo: sorry. not yet.10:31
glatzorsivang: bye10:31
janimoglatzor: np, was just curious, as michael said he'd agree to merge it if it can be solved cleanly10:33
glatzorjanimo: we need to talk to a Canonical marketing guy. using plain text for the licence would be the easiest solution10:33
janimoglatzor: I agree. Should I try contacting them? (after looking at g-a-i to see what it is about actually)10:35
glatzorfeel free to do so. I wanted to talk to malcom some time ago, but haven't found him on irc10:37
enricoRiddell: looking...  it doesn't even try to read them  :(10:38
enricoRiddell: where can I find the version (and source package) of libapt-front that you're using?10:38
Riddellenrico: 0.3.9ubuntu2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/liba/libapt-front/10:40
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enricoRiddell: uhm,     if (uri.find("file://") == 0)10:44
enricotry using file:///usr/share/debtags10:44
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G0SUBpitti: ping10:46
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pittiG0SUB: pong10:56
enricoRiddell: did it work?10:58
Riddellenrico: yay!10:59
enricoRiddell: 10:59
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rodarvusyou gotta love unicode :)11:09
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pittisivang: ok, it's a pretty ancient bug, I added some information to it11:12
Riddellenrico: I've uploaded debtags with vocabulary.gz and the file:/// URL.  I've also filed a bug on soyuz to include debtags in the Packages.gz https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/5741811:17
UbugtuMalone bug 57418 in soyuz "Support debtags in Packages.gz" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  11:17
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Riddellenrico: thanks for your help11:19
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enricoRiddell: thank you for your work on Debtags on Ubuntu11:25
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jonohey ho11:37
irvinhello jono 11:39
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jonohi irvin11:39
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iwjjanimo: firefox/nss3> I had a similar problem but I solved it with a reinstall (there were other crazy things wrong too).  Is it just you and me ?12:08
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TMMI have a question, how do I use the -dbg packages with gdb? I especially want to use gdb on evoltion and evolution-data-server. I know how to load debug symbols for one binary :) but not for the whole directory structure 12:13
pittiTMM: you don't usually need to12:13
pittiTMM: just install -dbg and gdb will pick them up automagically12:14
seb128TMM: it works automagically12:14
TMMso far, I have seen a lot of unresolved symbols in the backtraces 12:14
TMMbut, that might be because of evolution-data-server being started automatically 12:14
seb128you don't have enough -dbg installed then ;)12:14
pittiTMM: you might need further packages, like glibs' and gtk's -dbg12:14
seb128can you put the backtrace on pastebin ?12:15
TMMI think I've got one up on the bugzilla, let me check12:15
Mithrandirseb128: gaim-irc with socks5 + ssh -D makes me a sad panda.  gaim stops responding and ssh kills the connection.12:16
UbugtuGnome bug 351528 in Miscellaneous "crash on Evolution" [Critical,Needinfo]  12:16
Mithrandirseb128: is this known?12:16
seb128Mithrandir: not by me12:17
seb128Mithrandir: is there anybody really using gaim for IRC?12:17
TMMI've got a pretty damn huge groupwise calendar, so, I decided I should spend some time on it12:17
Mithrandirseb128: I was just going to try it, yes.12:18
Mithrandirseb128: if you do ssh -D 1234 some.host, then add an IRC connection and tell it to use socks5 on localhost:1234 ssh gives me an error (buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 2 than in buffer 1) and exits.  Gaim stops repainting its UI, but responds to C-q12:18
seb128TMM: you need evolution-data-server-dbg and libglib2.0-0-dbg for that one12:19
TMMI had both installed at that time12:19
Mithrandiras well as 100% cpu usage.12:19
seb128TMM: really weird12:19
seb128TMM: can you try to get the bt with gdb instead of bug-buddy?12:19
seb128Mithrandir: file a bug please12:20
TMMseb128: I was actually working on that12:20
TMMI just attached to evolution-data-server and that seems to load the debug info just fine12:20
TMMwell the whole shebang should be monitored by gdb now12:21
TMMhow nice... :(12:22
TMMnow evo freezes :)12:22
Mithrandirseb128: thanks, bug 57430.12:23
UbugtuMalone bug 57430 in gaim "gaim unhappy when Socks5 server goes away" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5743012:23
seb128thank you for the bug ;)12:23
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TMMowww.... now gnome-panel freezes12:25
TMMI have a feeling I'm doing something wrong12:25
pittisivang: FYI, I have the USB DVD working locally here12:25
TMM***MEMORY-ERROR***: evolution-data-server[15271] : GSlice: assertion failed: sinfo->n_allocated > 012:27
TMMthen the calendering component crashes, but, no way to get any useful information... what do I do now? step through evolution-data-server? :)12:28
TMMevolution-data-server just exits then12:28
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seb128TMM: what version of Ubuntu do you use?12:33
seb128TMM: that assertion looks like http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34798712:33
UbugtuGnome bug 347987 in Calendar "EDS exits frequently" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]  12:33
TMMseb128: edgy12:39
TMMseb128: but, it does this in dapper as well, that is why I went to edgy, to try and debug/fix this.12:40
seb128TMM: ok, so getting a debug backtrace on your upstream bug would probably a good step for that12:40
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seb128TMM: thank you for working on that!12:40
TMMyeah, that needs to be done as well12:40
TMMbut, that bug is hard to reproduce12:40
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=== pygi wonders if we'll have python2.5 in any way in edgy?
StevenK python2.5 | 2.5~c1-0ubuntu2 |          edgy | source, amd64, i38612:55
pittipygi: we already have it in universe12:55
pittino, even main12:55
StevenKThat's madison-lite, not apt-cache madison12:55
StevenKBut yes, main.12:55
pygipitti, o, great, because bindings for libburn/libisofs will be python2.5 :)12:56
pygithanks StevenK 12:56
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pygipitti, pm just for a sec :)12:57
\shok, wine does run with -fno-stack-protector01:29
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jdubKeybuk: ping01:43
Keybukjdub: hey01:44
jdubSetting up udev (093-0ubuntu12) ...01:45
jdubmknod: `/lib/udev/devices/net/tun': No such file or directory01:45
Keybukplease file01:45
seb128jdub: dup of #5743601:46
seb128bug #5743601:46
UbugtuMalone bug 57436 in udev "[Edgy]  Configuration error in latest udev update (093-0ubuntu12)." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5743601:46
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jdubseb128: ah thanks, i'll confirm it01:47
seb128np ;)01:47
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seaLnehow does dpkg -S decide which package a file is in?  it says a file was provided by a package but i can't find the file in the package02:21
geserI assume it searches through all /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list02:24
seaLnecould the .list lie about the file?02:25
infinityseaLne: Only if you delete some.02:25
infinityseaLne: Or if you're looking at a diverted file, but dpkg -S tells you about diverts.02:25
infinityseaLne: What do you mean by "can't find the file in the package"?02:26
seaLnekdm thinks it installs /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc but i can't see it anywhere in the kdebase source02:26
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infinityNot sure why you'd expect to see it in the source.02:27
seaLnewell if its not in the source package how does it end up in the binary one?02:27
infinity(base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ dpkg-deb -c kdm_3.5.4-0ubuntu9_i386.deb | grep backgroundrc02:28
infinity-rw-r--r-- root/root       367 2006-08-22 21:26 ./etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc02:28
infinityIt's definitely in the binary package.02:28
infinityI assume it's generated at build time in the source package.  *shrug*02:28
seaLneah, possibly02:28
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sivangpitti: so we are going to wait for upstream to fix it, yes?02:57
sivangpitti: (I've followed all the bug trails)02:57
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sivangpitti: oh! nice, now the descriptions fits :-) "..hal does not detect non-ATAPI CD-ROM drives"02:59
pittisivang: no, I have a fix here, I'll upload it shortly02:59
sivangpitti: Have you like taught hal not to ignore the event ?03:00
pittisivang: yes03:01
sivangpitti: cool03:01
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pygisivang, congrats :)03:02
pygisivang, python2.5 good for you for python bindings? :)03:02
sivangpygi: python bindings for what ?03:02
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pygisivang, libburn ofcourse :)03:04
sivangpygi: well, it would be good, when libburn will be able to do multi sessions stuff as well as regular burns. 03:05
sivangpygi: in in concert detect amount of free space left on a multi session media03:06
pittisivang: uploaded03:09
sivangpitti: yay! thank you03:09
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sivangpygi: do you have those bindings somewhere? have they been tested ?03:10
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infernuxis it "save" to upgrade to edgy atm? (meaning, is there any known breakage with kernel or boot process atm?)03:13
pygisivang, we are writing them :)03:14
pygisivang, you could try to detect free space with libburn already (havent tried on multi-session dics tho)03:14
sivangpygi: on non multi sessoins discs I don't think it makes much sense :)03:15
sivangbut I may be missing something..03:15
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pygisivang, I need to get my  hands on some multi-session specs03:15
sivangpygi: send the link away , I'll give it a try. Is there a test code somewhere in the source tree?03:16
pygisivang, I dont think there is test code for detecting free space03:16
pygiyou have api here: http://libburn-api.pykix.org03:17
sivangpygi: you guys should have tests for all of the features of the api, basically.03:17
pygiif you have questions, please be sure to direct them to libburn-hackers03:17
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pygisivang, I may help there, and others can help there03:17
pygiperhaps, but there are more important things then tests now :)03:17
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sivangpygi: can I just svn up in my already exsiting source tree?03:26
pygisivang, sure03:26
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sivangpygi: okay, I up'd - but I don't see the bindings there, have you commited them already ?03:27
pygisivang, no, no, as I said above: still working on them :)03:27
azeempygi: btw, libburn lacks a ChangeLog apparently :P03:27
pygiazeem, it does, read development guide pls :)03:28
sivangpygi: ah , okay, cool :-)03:28
pygiazeem, I don't like changelogs :)03:28
pygiazeem, http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/DevGuide03:28
azeempygi: it would make sense to use a svn browser which can display commit logs then03:29
pygiazeem, you can see commit logs :)03:29
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pygiazeem, as in "Last change"03:29
azeempygi: oh, then just the link to http://libburn-svn.pykix.org/ on the wiki frontpage is misleading03:30
pygiif people think that changelog is better then my "agregate tickets per milestone" idea, I am willing to think :)03:30
azeemI still think it's unneccesary hassle03:30
pygiazeem, http://libburn.pykix.org/browser :)03:30
azeempygi: yes, I found it now03:30
sivangpygi: looks promising, nice03:30
sivangpygi: and there is a /test dir on the source tree, just make sur eyou add ther etests for new features you add03:30
pygisivang, what looks promising? yes, I'll make sure...I hope :)03:31
pygiDo the packagers in ubuntu feel like changelog is better then my current way then? :)03:31
pygiespecially sivang who will maintain the packages? :)03:31
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sivangpygi: well, it's not a matter a feeling :-) It's a must03:32
sivangpygi: if you do not provide it, then I will have to :p03:32
pygisivang, oh, ok, I'll leave it to you then :)03:32
=== pygi will have a NEWS file in every milestone tag, so that should help
pygiwith major changes03:33
pygisivang, will that be enough?03:34
pygisivang, something similar like we did here:03:35
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sivangpygi: that seems fine, yes :)03:38
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pygisivang, good :)03:44
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pygisivang, I'll inform you as soon as py bindings are ready03:45
sivangpygi: cool, let me know when you're aready for packaging03:45
pygisivang, sure, as soon as I get libisofs rewrite in, and python bindings03:46
sivangpygi: okay03:46
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\shguys, when I try to push a "bazaar"ed sourcetree to bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/<product-name>/ubuntu with dappers bzr version, it doesn't push it to the server but creates a directory sftp...04:27
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bluefoxicygah why can't synaptic show changelogs like update-manager04:37
mjg59Is archive slow for anyone else right now?04:46
Hobbseemjg59: i thought it sped up for the past couple of days04:48
mjg59Maybe it's my network, then04:48
Hobbseemjg59: what kinds of speeds are you getting?04:48
mjg5970K/sec or so04:49
elmomjg59: I can do 600K/s from the office04:49
mjg59Right, probably me then04:49
Hobbseeheh.  lucky04:49
Hobbseeoh, wait, K/sec, yeah04:49
LarstiQ\sh: you need to have paramiko installed04:50
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janimomjg59: what is the main advantage of sensing laptop hotkeys (Audio in my case) via HAL vs grabbing the X pointer?04:53
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mjg59janimo: It makes little real difference04:58
mjg59janimo: I'd just implement whichever is easier04:58
\shLarstiQ: ah...,)04:59
LarstiQ\sh: 0.9 gives a better message about that, but it's not in dapper yet I'm afraid05:00
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\shwhy is python-paramiko (which depends on python2.4-paramiko) in universe, and python2.4-paramiko in main...this looks wrong somehow...but nevermind ;)05:03
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bddebianMorning folks05:37
_ionGood evening.05:37
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welshbyteello bddebian 05:39
bddebianHeya welshbyte05:39
bddebianwelshbyte: I haven't had a chance to look at gnu-smalltalk yet but I will05:40
welshbytebddebian: yeah no problem, in your own time05:40
bddebianwelshbyte: Need more work in the mean time? ;-)05:41
welshbytebddebian: umm, well i was going to have a look at bonfire...05:41
bddebianwelshbyte: Ah, OK05:43
bddebianAs long as you are working.. ;-P05:43
welshbytethis isn't work, this is fun :)05:43
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rkdhow important is python in ubuntu development? is it worth learning it in order to contribute to ubuntu. or is a relatively minor tool/likely to be replaced with something like ruby?05:54
Burgworkrkd, python is what almost all new ubuntu tools are developed in05:55
Burgworkrkd, we currently don't ship ruby by default, so if you want to develop something for Ubuntu in that language, you may have issues05:55
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rkdBurgwork: i wasn't implying that i wanted to do ubuntu-ruby development, just that i'd heard ruby compared very favourably to python and wondered if ubuntu was likely to move away from python in the future05:57
pygirkd, unlikely :)06:00
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sbalneavrodarvus_: ping06:01
rodarvus_sbalneav, pong06:01
sbalneavNeed me to test any of the nbd-swap stuff?06:01
rkdBurgwork, pygi: ok, thanks06:02
pygirkd, python rocks ^_^ see 2.5 ^_^06:02
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rodarvussbalneav, its not ready, yet. I planned to work on it the full day yesterday, but other, uhh... interesting issues kept me from touching it :/06:03
sbalneavOhhh, good interesting, or bad interesting? :)06:04
pittihi sbalneav 06:05
sbalneavHey pitti!   Thanks for the green light on lbmount!06:06
sbalneavHow's the sprint?06:06
pittisbalneav: quite nice and productive06:07
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sbalneavAwesome.  Ogra tells me much nautilus happieness is in place now!  ltsp + localdev + edgy = sexy.06:08
pittisbalneav: indeed, I was really impressed by it06:08
ogratotally 06:08
pittisbalneav: yes, gnome-vfs should behave now06:08
sbalneavogra!  you scurvy dog you!06:08
ograsbalneav, we have even an option in the user and groups tool to en/disable it per user ;)06:09
ograi just added it06:09
sbalneavhey hey06:09
ograand i guess you noticed that the spec is set to implemented ;)06:09
sbalneavI see that the xnest bug's been squashed.  Rodrigo's got nbd in hand, what can I kick in on?  What's the progress on scp?  Anything I can help with?06:10
sbalneavYea! Saw that!  W00t06:10
ograscp is currently attacked by cbx33 ...06:10
ograbut he might need help, not sure ... i had no time to talk to him yet06:10
ograsbalneav, btw, i tried an ipod yesterday, works perfect ;)06:11
sbalneavipod for the win!06:11
sbalneavhow about login-and-session-handling?06:11
ograon my list but not yet targeted ... i need to look at your ltspinfod and how to get it runing on the server to provide the two variables06:12
ograthat'd be soemthing you could greatly help with ... (assuming you wrote ltspinfod)06:12
sbalneavogra: Or, rather than that, I was thinking...06:13
sbalneavOh, wait, ubuntu doesn't run inetd does it...06:13
ograltsp does ;)06:13
Burgworkrkd, very unlikely that ruby will replace python. I won't say it won't happen, but pig are probably going to fly first06:13
ograbut we discussed that, remember ? 06:13
ogramdz insisted to use ltspinfod 06:14
sbalneavumm vaguely :)06:14
ogra(i'd also have preferred a small python app that just provides the info as we designed it first (using inetd))06:14
sbalneavwe'd have to run it on the server, in order for ldm to pick up the languages.  But maybe I'm confusing things, gimme a sec to go re-read the sped.06:15
ograright, we have to run it on the server 06:15
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ograis ltspinfod only designed for clients ? 06:15
sbalneavThere's no reason it can't run on the server.  I'll go grab the code.  How much longer you gonna be online?06:16
rodarvussbalneav, bad interesting :)06:17
rodarvusreally horrible interesting, actually06:17
sbalneav:( :(06:17
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sbalneavbrb, workping06:18
rodarvusI'll get over it. I have a hard skin :)06:18
rodarvus(but I still own people a public apology, which I'll do today)06:18
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sbalneavogra: leave the mods to ltspinfod to me06:37
sbalneavI'll do it tonight.06:37
ogracool, thanks 106:38
ograthen i'll leave out the ldm today and look into the installer/udeb stuff 06:38
sbalneavsounds like a plan06:39
ograeven though we only have ~1h before mdz locks the room :/06:39
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mjg59Oh foo.07:21
mjg59How do I force dput to upload the orig.tar.gz when it doesn't want to?07:22
crimsunpass -sa to debuild [/dpkg-buildpackage]  -S07:22
mjg59Yes, that's the one07:22
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pascal80why is foomatic-db-gutenprint and ijsgutenprint installed by default on Edgy08:51
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pascal80These packages are only needed for non CUPS spoolers like lpr an lprng08:52
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pascal80cupsys-driver-gutenprint generates CUPS raster PPDs for all printers supported by gutenprint08:53
pascal80since Ubuntu uses CUPS, why have foomatic-db-gutenprint and ijsgutenprint?08:54
Treenaksyou again?08:55
HiddenWolfTreenaks: be nice08:55
pascal80hello again Treenaks08:55
Treenaksyou should try during the day (Europe-day), then more people are active here08:55
pascal80I have a job to do during the day08:56
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Treenaksthen just mail the -devel list :)08:56
pascal80OK will do08:56
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Nafallopascal80: or try in a week when the devels are back from the sprint :-)09:00
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Burgworkpascal80, the person you need to talk to is pitti09:01
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pascal80Thanks a lot guys!09:08
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=== mjg59 fixes usplash
sladenmjg59: oooh, talking of that10:03
aigariuscould a launchpad administrator please remove https://launchpad.net/products/sbackup/trash ?10:17
pygiaigarius, #launchpad10:18
aigariuspygi: ok10:18
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mdzmjg59: which bit?10:46
mjg59mdz: Mm?10:46
mdzmjg59: the bit which breaks my text consoles or the bit which breaks resume from hibernate?10:46
mjg59mdz: Oh, usplash?10:46
mjg59Text consoles should be fixed now10:46
mdzdo you know what the issue is with resume?10:46
mjg59svgalib screwed up resetting text mode if your resolution was above 800x60010:46
=== pygi yays for libburn burning applications :)
mjg59I'm checking that next10:47
mjg59sabdfl: Incidentally, we have adequate X server support to ship with bling10:50
gnomefreakwho would be best to ask about kernel restricted modules10:50
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bddebianDid mysql-doc get wrapped into another package?  Seems to have disappeared from Debian after Woody10:51
mdzgnomefreak: #ubuntu-kernel10:51
mjg59mdz: Oh, I see10:51
mjg59mdz: Looks like a kernel issue that we fixed is back10:51
pygimdz, is there any chance I might convince *someone* that we get SVN packages into universe? :)10:51
pygimore specifically, libburn, libisofs, and cdrskin :)10:51
mjg59mdz: Ask Ben to reapply the patch that removes pm_prepare_console and pm_restore_console10:52
mdzmjg59: please note that in bug 5659110:52
UbugtuMalone bug 56591 in usplash "Can't resume from hibernation" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5659110:53
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mjg59mdz: Incidentally, I can probably provide graphical hiberante support if you want?10:53
mdzmjg59: oh, how?10:54
mjg59mdz: The uswsusp code we have in universe10:54
mjg59mdz: I can split usplash out into a library10:54
mjg59Then the uswsusp s2disk program can drive that while hibernating or resuming10:54
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mdzdon't we switch off the backlight fairly early while hibernating anyway?10:55
mjg59Which is probably less than ideal10:56
Keybuk==21543== Syscall param exit_group(exit_code) contains uninitialised byte(s)10:58
Keybuk==21543==    at 0x4000822: (within /lib/ld-2.4.so)10:58
Keybuk==21543==    by 0x40488D3: (below main) (in /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so)10:59
Keybukah!  that means "you returned an uninitialised int and gcc didn't notice"10:59
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mjg59mdz: Patch attached11:01
mdzhmm, I don't see it11:01
mjg59Try again?11:01
mjg59(Forgot to add a description)11:02
mdzthere it is11:02
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sabdflmjg59: bling == spiftacity etc?11:02
mjg59mdz: sabdfl Yeah11:02
mjg59sabdfl: yeah11:02
mdzmjg59: that isn't the first patch that seems to have gone missing from the kernel since dapper11:02
sabdflvery cool, i'll ask guys to look into that11:02
mjg59sabdfl: The X server is fully bling-enabled now already, so I've uploaded new compiz11:02
mjg59(partly stuck in new)11:02
mjg59mdz: That one got submitted as part of a single larger patch11:03
mdzs/stuck/queued/, it's only been there an hour :-P11:03
sabdfldo we know any graphics visual-effects oriented developers?11:03
mjg59mdz: My fault11:03
sabdflother than the you-know-who guys we're talking to about you-know-what :-)11:03
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mjg59sabdfl: There's Dave Reveman, obviously11:03
mjg59sabdfl: Wrote Xgl and large parts of compiz11:04
mjg59Probably quite happy at Novell11:04
sabdflah, right11:04
mjg59But Compiz is mostly being developed by someone called Quinn at the moment11:04
mjg59I'm not sure what she actually does full time11:04
sabdfli'm thinking more "special effects"11:04
mjg59But she's been providing compiz debs for a while - the ones I uploaded are basically hers11:04
sabdfli think there's one kind of guy likes to build the frameworks for this, and another likes to leverage it11:04
mjg59Well, this is algorithms for altering window shapes and so on11:05
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mjg59sabdfl: It's pretty specially bling11:05
Seveasmjg59, both compiz and lots of broken packages (libvte etc...) unfortunately11:05
mjg59Seveas: The compiz ones seem fine. I make no judgements as to packages I've never looked at :)11:06
Seveasthe compiz ones are fine ;)11:06
imbrandonmjg59:  Seveas: yea she has been working with ajmitch to get them into our repos with her changes11:06
imbrandonas of late11:06
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imbrandonlate == last 2 or 3 days iirc11:06
mjg59imbrandon: Ah - someone should possibly have mentioned :)11:07
mjg59imbrandon: Anyway, they're there now11:07
mjg59sabdfl: I've done some quick tests with usplash. It seems entirely able to get a lot of pixels on the screen quite quickly11:08
mdzpygi: the only people you need to convince are MOTU11:08
pygimdz, ah, good then :) I can do that :)11:08
imbrandonpygi: whats up ? i missed something in the netsplit heh11:09
pygiimbrandon, ehm? :)11:09
imbrandonnvm misread something11:09
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sabdflmjg59: that may just come in handy :-)11:10
_ionYeah, quinn's compiz and cgwd packages seem to be good from an end user's point of view.11:10
mjg59From a hot cache, gnome now starts in ~2 seconds11:10
mjg59From a cold cache, it's more like 20 on my Thinkpad11:11
desrtthere's a lot to be said about preloading11:11
gnomefreakshe just said maybe 20-30 minutes ago that the latest bugs that were found are fixed. i cant test til i figure this modules issue out11:11
mjg59The i/o really kills us on slow hard drives11:11
_ionmjg: Such as mine. :-)11:11
desrtwhen the login prompt is just waiting for the user to enter their name and pw11:11
desrtthat's valuable preload time11:11
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mjg59Does xorg.conf get rewritten on package upgrades if it hasn't been modified?11:14
mjg59Or does it just get written on a clean install?11:14
mdzmjg59: if you're keen on graphical hibernate, I'm agreeable if it could be done pre-featurefreeze and downright happy if it's backoutable11:14
mjg59mdz: Sure11:15
mjg59mdz: When's feature freeze?11:15
mdzmjg59: 2 weeks from tomorrow (7th)11:15
mjg59mdz: No problem11:16
boodlehiya,has anyone found a soln to python2.4-minimal installing cleanly in edgy? (pycentral script prob it seems)11:31
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