[12:57] <poningru> a friend of mine just did:
[12:57] <poningru> $ sudo emerge ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <nixternal> gahahaha
[12:58] <nixternal> he is a ricer
[12:58] <nixternal> gentoo must die!
[12:58] <poningru> :p
[12:58] <poningru> err thats my other comp
[12:59] <poningru> rofl
[01:59] <poningru> spending time with the suse people: http://www.whiprush.org/images/222285870_812ec204c2_b_1.jpg
[01:59] <poningru> rofl
[02:07] <johnlittle> that looks pretty tasty
[02:08] <johnlittle> http://whiprush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/222197228_fed9f3d4c9_b_1.jpg
[02:17] <poningru> damn... too... many...jokes...
[02:17] <poningru> must...
[02:18] <johnlittle> yeah i know
[02:18] <johnlittle> where can I buy a glass penguin?
[02:18] <poningru> thats a penguin??
[02:19] <johnlittle> theres a punchline right there
[02:19] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you need to win one
[02:19] <poningru> we were commenting on the one you won
[02:19] <johnlittle> burgundavia: I guess carrying a glass penguin and passing yourself off as a linux trivia winner to meet women isn't very cool is it?
[02:19] <poningru> http://whiprush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/222197228_fed9f3d4c9_b_1.jpg
[02:20] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: dude, absolutely. That so explains why I got stood up this evening
[02:20] <Burgundavia> whiprush is just cooler than me
[02:20] <johnlittle> burgundavia: theres some mojo in that trophy though..i must have it
[02:20] <poningru> indeed
[02:20] <poningru> who gets to keep it?
[02:20] <Burgundavia> there were three
[02:20] <Burgundavia> we each got one
[02:21] <poningru> woah
[02:21] <poningru> nice
[02:21] <johnlittle> cool
[02:21] <johnlittle> nice paperweight
[02:21] <johnlittle> or with the right chain..bling
[02:22] <poningru> rofl
[02:22] <poningru> hmm /me wonders if elkbuntu or madpilot will gimp it for us
[02:22] <Burgundavia> dude, the thing is about 60cm tall
[02:22] <poningru> uh... so?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> poningru: madpilot can take a picture of it, given he is my brother
[02:23] <poningru> right
[02:23] <poningru> oh right
[02:23] <poningru> but I didnt think you would want to put a hole through that thing
[02:23] <Burgundavia> no
[02:23] <Burgundavia> there was a discussion of bongs or beer mugs, however
[02:23] <johnmark> slashdot sucks
[02:24] <johnmark> they rejected my ubucon post :(
[02:27] <poningru> hehe
[02:28] <johnlittle> funny how ubuntu finds its way into every episode of Go Open :)
[02:28] <Burgundavia> not really
[02:29] <johnlittle> ^^sarcasm
[02:29] <johnlittle> lol
[02:29] <poningru> gaaah
[02:30] <Burgundavia> although the waitresses in SF apparently thought I was 16
[02:30] <johnlittle> I wish Mark would make more stuff like that..for internet distribution only
[02:30] <johnlittle> 16,..damn
[02:32] <Burgundavia> dude, I turned 24 on the 18th
[02:32] <johnlittle> Ont of the Blender Foundation guys was asking me about getting Blender on the default install..seems unlikely to me but is there someone he can contact?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> never going to happen
[02:33] <johnlittle> Thats what I thought
[02:33] <Burgundavia> gimp is already in dicey waters
[02:33] <johnlittle> why?
[02:33] <Burgundavia> not enough people actually use the thing
[02:33] <Burgundavia> it is a really powerful photoeditor
[02:33] <Burgundavia> people do things like crop, remove redeye, etc.
[02:36] <johnlittle> How do we measure usage on apps?
[02:36] <Burgundavia> popcon can tell us
[02:36] <Burgundavia> people that doesn't really tell us what people use an app for
[02:36] <Burgundavia> that is more subjective
[02:36] <poningru> johnlittle: the number of questions
[02:36] <poningru> on forums, irc etc.
[02:37] <poningru> there are ways
[02:37] <Burgundavia> no really objective ways
[02:37] <poningru> yeah
[02:37] <poningru> ofcourse
[02:37] <poningru> its a 'feeling'
[02:37] <Burgundavia> with fspot, there is an arguement to remove both eog and the gimp
[02:37] <Burgundavia> I don't think we are quite there yet
[02:38] <poningru> eog???
[02:38] <poningru> are you kidding me?
[02:38] <poningru> with fspot?
[02:38] <Burgundavia> fspot is already there
[02:38] <Burgundavia> to replace grthumb
[02:38] <poningru> ai no
[02:38] <Burgundavia> but fspot has a view mode and an edit/sort mode
[02:38] <Burgundavia> as long as fspot is fast enough, it is ok
[02:39] <Burgundavia> I am a big fspot user too
[02:39] <Burgundavia> eog, that is
[02:39] <poningru> but last I checked it was pretty crappy...
[02:39] <poningru> that was back in breezy
[02:39] <Burgundavia> right
[02:39] <Burgundavia> that would be like trying the linux desktop in 2000 and saying it sucked in 2006
[02:43] <poningru> ...
[02:43] <poningru> dude 6 months ago
[02:43] <Burgundavia> poningru: please rationally tell me why fspot lacks what eog does, aside from the speed issue
[02:43] <poningru> well you took away the one and only problem
[02:43] <poningru> and stability
[02:43] <Burgundavia> not a major issue
[02:44] <johnlittle> those should be easily fixable
[02:44] <poningru> as in its solved or it shouldnt matter to people?
[02:44] <poningru> knowing Burgundavia its the former...
[02:44] <Burgundavia> solved
[02:44] <johnlittle> lol
[02:47] <poningru> see I would install fspot on this right now
[02:47] <poningru> but ... edgy
[02:47] <poningru> if its crashy and stuff... I cant properly blame fspot
[02:48] <johnlittle> if its gnome why isnt it called g-spot? ;)
[02:48] <poningru> rofl
[02:48] <johnlittle> because users would never find it..of course
[02:50] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: naming stuff with a G is dead in the GNOME community, thankfully
[02:50] <johnlittle> as it should be
[02:52] <johnlittle> I did that with b when I had my company but we had like 10 apps..it wasn't that annoying.  browsing KDE apps makes me want totorture small animals
[02:53] <johnlittle> torture
[02:53] <lophyte> Burgundavia: any word from that woman?
[02:53] <Burgundavia> lophyte: yes, order away
[02:53] <lophyte> Burgundavia: awesome. are you gonna set a date and call it official then, or..?
[02:54] <Burgundavia> si tu veux
[02:54] <lophyte> my french isn't all that great :\
[02:56] <Burgundavia> if you want
[02:57] <lophyte> are you gonna start it up?
[03:06] <lophyte> or what did you have in mind?
[03:06] <johnlittle> is there any chance of getting Ubuntu Video linked from any other community sites?
[03:06] <poningru> http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/lloyd/male
[03:08] <johnlittle> I dont get it
[03:08] <johnlittle> 'splain it
[03:30] <Burgundavia> lophyte: am, here
[03:30] <Burgundavia> making dinner
[03:30] <lophyte> ah
[03:30] <lophyte> forgot about the time difference
[03:32] <lophyte> so what did you have in mind for this project? are you gonna lead it?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> I want to promote Ubuntu. I will lead the effort to connect lugs
[03:33] <lophyte> we are promoting Ubuntu.. that's the whole point of the project
[03:36] <poningru> yarr
[03:41] <lophyte> so, what about setting a date?
[03:42] <lophyte> I don't think we have enough time to aim for SFD
[03:42] <Burgundavia> I think we do
[03:43] <lophyte> that's really pushing it.. and that's even if we can get CDs in 3 weeks.
[03:44] <poningru> trying to do what now?
[03:44] <lophyte> organize a Canada-wide marketing campaign of sorts
[03:44] <poningru> Burgundavia: is this ca only? or going for a bit broader
[03:45] <lophyte> well, not necessarily.. that's just how it started
[03:53] <lophyte> well, I'm gonna talk to the Toronto guys tomorrow.
[03:53] <lophyte> but we need to get on this ASAP if we're doing it on SFD
[03:54] <johnlittle> whats the goal?
[03:57] <lophyte> promoting Ubuntu, ultimately ;P
[04:08] <poningru> hehe
[04:14] <lophyte> well, I'll talk to the Toronto guys tomorrow and see what they think
[04:15] <Burgundavia> poningru: SFD is worldwide
[04:16] <poningru> Burgundavia: I know
[04:16] <poningru> talking about your movement
[04:16] <Burgundavia> just ca
[04:16] <lophyte> and I'll try to get together a Toronto team
[04:16] <poningru> ah
[04:18] <lophyte> Burgundavia: are you gonna post to the mailing list about it?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> I will
[04:18] <lophyte> k.
[04:18] <lophyte> we should figure out what cities we have the most people in
[04:18] <lophyte> and target those
[04:18] <lophyte> obviously Vancouver and Toronto are on that list.. but figure out where else we have people form
[04:19] <lophyte> s/form/from
[04:20] <lophyte> I'm still skeptical about the date though :\
[04:20] <lophyte> 5 CDs took almost 3 weeks.. I can't imagine a bigger batch being quicker
[04:21] <Burgundavia> marilize will expedite it
[04:22] <lophyte> do I need to put a special note in there for that?
[04:22] <lophyte> like ATTN marilize or something
[04:22] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:22] <lophyte> alright
[04:22] <lophyte> now for the big question.. how many? ;P
[04:23] <Burgundavia> I would ask the toronto guys
[04:23] <lophyte> alright.. I'll bring it up tomorrow night go from there
[04:23] <lophyte> I'll also put an ad up in the Linux Caffe, and on craigslist, for Ubuntu fans/users in Toronto to help out with the Toronto team's marketing effort
[04:24] <lophyte> did you say it was the 16th?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:25] <lophyte> k, i'll make note of it
[04:27] <lophyte> cool.. I'll let you know what the Toronto guys say
[04:27] <lophyte> I'll email you.. I probably won't be home until 10 or 11PM and by that time, I'll be heading to bed
[04:31] <lophyte> anyway, I'm off for bed
[04:32] <lophyte> night
[06:49] <johnlittle> so the only reply to my ML question about videos is a post telling me what I'm doing is wrong..
[06:53] <ormiret> responses that don't disagree with you are a bit pointless
[06:54] <johnlittle> eh?
[06:54] <ormiret> if you aren't adding anything to the discussion why send a mail?
[06:55] <ormiret> sorry that was a general you not you sepcifically
[06:55] <johnlittle> well since I requested assistance maybe that could have been offered instead
[06:57] <ormiret> only if people know of videos (and the whole point of ubuntu video is that most people don't - so you have managed to prove that it is needed :) )
[06:59] <johnlittle> Maybe. I just find negativity - esp. from people who aren't offering constructive criticism or alternatives frustrating
[07:00] <ormiret> the flash is e evil point is going to be made repeatly, you just need to keep explaining why you are using it and not let it bother you.
[07:01] <johnlittle> Yeah that's why I wrote the FAQ. It's only frustrating becuase it's midnight and I'm dog tired.
[07:02] <johnlittle> Give me six hours of sleep and I will personally duel RMS - blindfolded
[07:02] <ormiret> sounds like fun.
[07:02] <johnlittle> his kung fu is strong
[07:29] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, did you see my pm yesterday?
[08:08] <johnlittle> elbuntu the link to the vid?
[08:08] <johnlittle> er elkbuntu
[08:20] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: nice reply sent
[08:21] <johnlittle> too snarky?
[08:22] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, yeah, the link to the .ogg
[08:22] <johnlittle> ah heh..thx. my frustration passed
[08:22] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: no, I sent a nice reply because you were saying the only person who responded to your email bitched
[08:22] <Burgundavia> it can hard, sometimes
[08:22] <Burgundavia> worse is being ignored
[08:24] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Yeah I don't mind ppl disagreeing but offer an alternative or something constructive at least. No big deal though. Just need some sleep :)
[08:24] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: yeah i sent a reply. thx for the link. i added it to the kibo post
[08:24] <elkbuntu> oh.. you're not serving it from my server are you?
[08:25] <johnlittle> um not as soon as I kill the link lol
[08:25] <elkbuntu> move it to somewhere that isnt on as crappy a bandwidth limit as my isp
[08:26] <poningru> yarr
[08:26] <johnlittle> how big is the file?
[08:26] <elkbuntu> #.o -(YArr!)
[08:27] <elkbuntu> <1mb, but still if it gets hit a few hundred times, the 10gb/mth limit im on wont last long
[08:27] <johnlittle> sounds good to me
[08:28] <elkbuntu> can you host http://meldra.no-ip.info/akamaru_kiba.ogg then ormiret?
[08:28] <johnlittle> I'm just going to link it from the individual post so it shouldn't get hammered
[08:28] <elkbuntu> please* :)
[08:32] <ormiret> http://ormiret.com/ubuntu/akamaru_kiba.ogg
[08:33] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/the_kiba_dock
[08:34] <_rjian> wow too many links hehe
[08:36] <johnlittle> That work for you ormiret?
[08:36] <ormiret> firefox tries to display it as text here
[08:36] <ormiret> I'm trying to figure out mime types now
[08:36] <johnlittle> whoa
[08:36] <johnlittle> yeah
[08:37] <johnlittle> maybe the viewer needs special .ogg goggles
[08:37] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:37] <ormiret> any idea what MIME type ogg should have?
[08:37] <poningru> application/ogg
[08:39] <ormiret> thanks poningru. should work now.
[08:39] <johnlittle> video/x-theora it says on one site
[08:39] <elkbuntu> o.O did i encode it wrong?
[08:40] <ormiret> elkbuntu: video's fine, my server wasn't
[08:40] <elkbuntu> ah
[08:40] <johnlittle> still text here
[08:41] <poningru> thats your cache
[08:42] <poningru> shift+ctrl+r
[08:42] <johnlittle> i cleared cache
[08:42] <poningru> 0.o
[08:42] <poningru> wfm
[08:42] <ormiret> I switched it video/x-theora
[08:43] <ormiret> mplayer plugin doesn't catch it now here - work any better for you johnlittle
[08:43] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
[08:44] <johnlittle> nope..weird
[08:44] <johnlittle> havent had issues playing ogg before
[08:44] <poningru> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3534
[08:45] <poningru> guys seriously its your cache
[08:45] <poningru> it worked for me
[08:46] <elkbuntu> works fine for me also
[08:47] <poningru> ormiret: make sure the mime is application/ogg
[08:47] <ormiret> poningru: yeah, I switched back to that
[08:47] <elkbuntu> sort of cropped the bottom off it though...
[08:47] <Burgundavia> night
[08:48] <poningru> nn
[08:48] <johnlittle> nite
[08:49] <ormiret> johnlittle: http://ormiret.com/akamaru_kiba.ogg work any better?
[08:50] <johnlittle> i have to hit the bed its 2 am and im up at 6...thx for the vido and hosting
[08:50] <ormiret> (different URL to fool caches..)
[08:50] <johnlittle> that worked
[08:50] <johnlittle> I cleared cache multiple times but firefox must not be cooperating
[08:50] <elkbuntu> not even ctrl f5?
[08:51] <johnlittle> nope
[08:51] <elkbuntu> how silly
[08:51] <johnlittle> i agree
[08:51] <ormiret> does your ISP do any cacheing?
[08:52] <johnlittle> not to my knowledge
[08:52] <johnlittle> it wouldn't be the first time I had a browser not cooperate though
[08:52] <johnlittle> im off..falling asleep
[08:53] <elkbuntu> cya johnlittle
[08:53] <johnlittle> thx ppl
[08:53] <ormiret> night
[09:15] <johnmark> hi guys, can you help me digg the ubucon wrap-up?
[09:15] <johnmark> http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_UbuCon_Was_a_Blast
[09:15] <Burgwork> already done
[09:15] <johnmark> sweet... thanks
[10:31] <ompaul> 4 so far
[10:33] <Burgwork> ompaul, 4?
[10:33] <ompaul> diggs