[08:05] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council
[08:05] <Arbiter> -.-'
[12:35] <RichEd> hi
[12:36] <willvdl> ola
[12:36] <RichEd> check this out
[12:36] <RichEd> @now
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 23 2006, 10:36:07 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hour 23 minutes
[12:36] <RichEd> @ now johannesburg
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Africa/Johannesburg: August 23 2006, 12:36:15 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hour 23 minutes
[12:36] <RichEd> @now johannesburg
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Africa/Johannesburg: August 23 2006, 12:36:24 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hour 23 minutes
[12:36] <RichEd> @schedule
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Sep 22:00: Community Council
[12:36] <RichEd> @schedule johannesburg
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council
[12:36] <RichEd> see :)
[12:36] <willvdl> ooh
[12:36] <willvdl> v cool
[12:37] <willvdl> only refers to the channel you're in no doubt
[12:37] <RichEd> thexy & thimple !
[12:37] <RichEd> i think @now may work elsewhere
[12:37] <RichEd> @schedule is set up for the meeting channel
[12:37] <willvdl> ah
[12:38] <willvdl> thanks
[12:38] <willvdl> know any more tricks
[12:39] <RichEd> that's all i know for now here :)
[12:52] <rodarvus> @now Berlin
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: August 23 2006, 12:52:24 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hour 7 minutes
[12:52] <rodarvus> oh
[12:52] <ogra> right after lunch :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 06:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 06:00: Edubuntu | 01 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 08:00: Community Council
[01:27] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council
[01:27] <GNAM> EDUBUNTU!
[02:01] <RichEd> hello ... who do we have here and active today ?
[02:01] <RichEd> ( given that dev guys are sprinting )
[02:01] <RichEd> hi willvdl 
[02:01] <willvdl> ola all
[02:02] <ogra> rodarvus is sitting in a talk behind me ...
[02:02] <ogra> i think he'll join us a bit later
[02:02] <highvoltage> ola
[02:03] <willvdl> highvoltage, hows it going?
[02:03] <pips1> hullo
[02:03] <ogra> i can give a short tech update, but will have to vanish later again
[02:03] <RichEd> f.y.i. I am not feeling great again ... I thought I shook this bug off yesterday ... but am rapidly going downhill again :(
[02:03] <highvoltage> willvdl: good
[02:03] <RichEd> so a short meeting on urgent issues would suit me well
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra ... do you want to kick off ?
[02:04] <ogra> ok, quick tech update ... we have local device support in the most recent ltsp packages ...
[02:04] <RichEd> good news :) well done !
[02:04] <ogra> i'm just shaking out the last small issues, but whats there should work already
[02:04] <willvdl> groovy
[02:05] <ogra> the CDs are still oversized ... since we inherited the addition of the whole mono stack, fspot and tomboy from ubuntu
[02:05] <ogra> i'll need to sort that out ...
[02:05] <highvoltage> eek
[02:05] <highvoltage> ogra: how much?
[02:06] <ogra> knot-2 is planned for next week and i hope to have the autoconfiguration of dhcpd.conf in there so we'll need no more manual steps after install then
[02:06] <cbx33> oooh cool
[02:06] <cbx33> brb5
[02:06] <ogra> i cant do much spec work today since we're supposed to have a bugday over here 
[02:07] <ogra> (which is somewhat ... umm .. odd, i didnt plan to loose one day for working on bugs instead of specs ...)
[02:07] <ogra> the sabayon bug tat prevents it from being used on thin clients seems fixed ... i closed it ...
[02:08] <ogra> thats all from my side ...
[02:08] <ogra> any questions ? 
[02:09] <highvoltage> by how much is the cd oversized?
[02:09] <ogra> we're at 716Mb
[02:09] <ogra> dropping mono and its apps will gain use 10-12Mb
[02:10] <ogra> that means we'll keep gthumb for photo collection management though ...
[02:10] <ogra> instead of switching to shiny f-spot
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra, Laserjock isn't here, but do you perhaps know what happened with the dynamic menu's?
[02:11] <ogra> see the specs ...
[02:11] <ogra> oh, right
[02:11] <ogra> mdz asked everyone of us to do a personal speclist ...
[02:11] <ogra> mine includes:
[02:11] <ogra> - dhcpd.conf autogeneration
[02:12] <ogra> - thin-client-local-dev
[02:12] <ogra> - fuly-automatic-swapserver
[02:12] <ogra> - ltsp-login-and-session-handling
[02:12] <ogra> - SCP-completion 
[02:12] <ogra> in that priority order
[02:13] <ogra> so things i dont make during the next two weeks will get dropped from bottom to top ...
[02:13] <cbx33> SCP is getting there
[02:13] <ogra> (its his prio list)
[02:14] <ogra> all other specs are deferred to edgy+1
[02:15] <cbx33> does that mean dyn menusn are dropped?
[02:15] <ogra> ay other questions ? 
[02:15] <ogra> yes
[02:15] <cbx33> fior edgy?
[02:15] <cbx33> :p
[02:16] <ogra> the sabayon implementation simply doesnt offer merging profiles in a sane way
[02:16] <cbx33> right
[02:16] <ogra> and thats what the spec targets
[02:16] <cbx33> right 
[02:16] <cbx33> and we're pretty close to deadline now really
[02:16] <ogra> the spec should be redone as an alacarte enhancement or so
[02:16] <cbx33> so will SCP get completed
[02:16] <cbx33> as I see it's bottom of your list
[02:17] <ogra> right
[02:17] <ogra> i ave to work top to bottom through them
[02:17] <cbx33> ok
[02:17] <cbx33> did you get my message about meeting up earlier
[02:17] <ogra> but rodarvus will care for the swapserver, should be done this week
[02:17] <cbx33> nice
[02:18] <ogra> i'll care for the dhcpd.conf stuff asap
[02:18] <cbx33> ogra, I'm sure I can sort out a lot of the leg work on SCP
[02:18] <cbx33> but I need a little guidence in some areas, hence y I wanted to chat to you
[02:18] <ogra> so only the session handling isnt safe yet and i'll indeed look at SCP 
[02:18] <cbx33> ;P
[02:18] <ogra> but i consider them both as important things
[02:19] <cbx33> good good
[02:19] <ogra> o your SCP work will at least get into the package we have ...
[02:19] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:19] <ogra> even i cant promise we'll be ready to ship it on the CD 
[02:19] <cbx33> I'm just trying my hardest to make the spec complete
[02:19] <pygi> cbx33, what do we lack atm?
[02:19] <ogra> (the security review can take quite long for example)
[02:20] <cbx33> pygi, um, I did the execute/kill dbus
[02:20] <ogra> so it migh pass feature freeze for main 
[02:20] <cbx33> I'm just looking at the plugin framework
[02:20] <pygi> cbx33, that should be trivial
[02:20] <ogra> right
[02:20] <cbx33> pygi, sure
[02:20] <cbx33> I just wanted to check a few tings, still being a relatively python n00b
[02:21] <ogra> as long as you keep tight to the spec with the plugin stuff, its just: source all python files from one dir and export the USER_LIST variable 
[02:21] <cbx33> as ogra said the VNC stuff is complete, it's just the client config stuff
[02:21] <ogra> right
[02:21] <cbx33> ogra, which is what I was goign to do
[02:21] <ogra> and that wil take some time 
[02:21] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:21] <cbx33> just needed some guidence from someone on some issues
[02:21] <ogra> i'm also not sure how the speed of that will look
[02:21] <cbx33> pygi or ogra got some time later for a chat?
[02:21] <ogra> i can try to, but i'm currently very swamped
[02:22] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[02:22] <cbx33> ok, how about you pygi ?
[02:22] <ogra> (and shoudnt work on "low prio" specs)
[02:22] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra, that's why I've been trying to get things done, WOO
[02:22] <pygi> cbx33, fighting with libburn, will try to find time for you
[02:22] <cbx33> With Out Ogra :p
[02:22] <jsgotangco> ogra: for great justice!
[02:22] <cbx33> pygi, thanks it'll be later on
[02:23] <cbx33> well I'm pleased I finally got the implementation of SCP dbus right
[02:23] <ogra> cbx33, you rock, did i tell you that ? :)
[02:23] <cbx33> sorry for the misunderstanding ogra
[02:23] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[02:23] <ogra> really :)
[02:23] <cbx33> maybe a bout 5 degrees devieance from the vertical
[02:23] <cbx33> you rock like 90 degreees man :p
[02:24] <ogra> nah 
[02:24] <cbx33> Documentation ?
[02:24] <ogra> i just try to keep my job :P
[02:24] <cbx33> heh
[02:24] <RichEd> ogra: you're secure in that :) more info from me on that later
[02:25] <ogra> nice :)
[02:25] <cbx33> heheh
[02:25] <highvoltage> heh. i like that song
[02:25] <ogra> cbx33, put it in red letters, i really mean it :)
[02:25] <ogra> (and in bold ones)
[02:25] <cbx33> heheh
[02:25] <jsgotangco> RichEd: please tell me that too ;)
[02:26] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: as if you need to hear it! :)
[02:26] <ogra> ok, if there are no further questions, i'm done with tech 
[02:26] <willvdl> come on, group hug!
[02:26] <ogra> (lets move on to release RichEd )
[02:26] <RichEd> jsgotangco: old job or new one or part time one ;)
[02:26] <cbx33> Docu
[02:26] <ogra> oh, one thing ...
[02:26] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i dunno everything is in flux at the moment
[02:26] <jsgotangco> male bonding ewww
[02:27] <ogra> willvdl, what would you think taking over mailing list maintenance ? 
[02:27] <ogra> *think about
[02:27] <willvdl> what's involved?
[02:27] <RichEd> jsgotangco: flux is good ... instability = opportunity for change
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra, do yo ustill want me to spam kill?
[02:27] <ogra> cbx33, sure
[02:27] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:27] <cbx33> right I have to go guys......
[02:27] <highvoltage> bye cbx33 
[02:27] <cbx33> I'll catch up later on
[02:27] <ogra> willvdl, moderating mails that come from unsubscribed users, and maintaining the spamfilter
[02:27] <willvdl> ciao
[02:28] <cbx33> and hopefully speak to pygi or ogra about SCP
[02:28] <RichEd> cheers cbx33 : hope you find the bug ;)
[02:28] <willvdl> ah. can do.
[02:28] <cbx33> Thanks RichEd 
[02:28] <jsgotangco> RichEd: sure i just hope everything gets clearer sooner
[02:28] <ogra> willvdl, great, i'll approach you after the sprint and we can sort that ...
[02:29] <ogra> now i'm really done with tech :)
[02:29] <willvdl> I love SPAM
[02:29] <highvoltage> hedgemadge said something about finishing a bunch of docs? anyone know where I could find it?
[02:29] <RichEd> thanks ogra: okay ... high level stuff
[02:29] <RichEd> 1. Armenian OEM has won a World Bank Education bid and has 1,200 computers with Ubuntu running at schools in Armenia.
[02:29] <RichEd> We'll be doing a case study on this. Intel OEM partner. Will be circulated in multiple audiences by multiple organisations.
[02:29] <pygi> highvoltage, I  know, after lunch :)
[02:30] <highvoltage> ko
[02:30] <ogra> wow, nice
[02:30] <RichEd> World Bank is a nice reference :)
[02:30] <RichEd> Intel is bonding closer with us.
[02:30] <willvdl> I like number 1
[02:31] <RichEd> onto #2 - this is income bearing and job security for ogra
[02:31] <pips1> great news
[02:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: ubuntu, or edubuntu?
[02:31] <RichEd> highvoltage: Ubuntu ... we'll mine into desktops as we move forwards
[02:31] <RichEd> 2. Eurolinux distance learning project proposal under the European Commission has been approved. We are involved with the server (Edubuntu) and other areas. Ogra on Technical and Richard to Project Manage. The project has a wide participation, with educators & some very well qualifed people from our target audience. It will help us with direction.
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[02:31] <RichEd> i) Development of tools, by the leading global provider of free Linux software (Canonical) and the pedagogical approaches by the higher education institutions.
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[02:31] <RichEd> :)
[02:32] <RichEd> so we'll lose some of ogra's time, but the output will be a server & pedagogical match
[02:32] <RichEd> which is a good end-to-end solution
[02:32] <willvdl> how will that work RichEd?
[02:32] <willvdl> the pedagogical mathch that is
[02:33] <RichEd> the study is as follows .. let me get summary ...
[02:33] <RichEd> paste flood warning :)
[02:33] <RichEd> EduLinux is going to investigate the possibilities offered by distance learning in different learning groups, such as secondary education pupils, university students, adult learners and workers in enterprises.
[02:33] <RichEd> To achieve this aim, the project will be developed in parallel in two actions. Technically, with the development of a Free and Open Source Server based on Linux, which is going to offer a lot of advantages (user friendly environment, flexibility, free and open source, possibility of extension or modification) and pedagogically with the creation of the necessary didactical approaches for the implementation, taking into account the
[02:33] <RichEd>  special needs of these learning groups.
[02:33] <RichEd> The partnership which includes a wide range of institutions such as, secondary, higher and adult education, training and consultant centres for SMEs, training association will facilitate the application of the activities in the above mentioned learning groups.
[02:34] <RichEd> And as we know, European Commission funds many country level projects ...
[02:34] <RichEd> So if this produces a good blueprint ... it may go hand in hand with other requests for funding.
[02:35] <RichEd> i.e. where people apply to EC for h/w & s/w & training & implementation solution
[02:35] <RichEd> They may say," here's the money, follow the recipe".
[02:35] <willvdl> does EduLinux tap into any similar existing UNESCO work?
[02:35] <RichEd> And then we are in as an ingredient.
[02:36] <RichEd> Just got the news Will ... we can look for crossover links when I get more info. 1st practical meeting in Poland October.
[02:36] <willvdl> heh
[02:37] <willvdl> shave his head
[02:37] <RichEd> Note that the CV's of the participants are around 3 degrees each ... so we are in esteemed company
[02:37] <highvoltage> wow
[02:37] <RichEd> Any more questions on that topic ?
[02:38] <willvdl> still absorbing the full extent of the paste flood
[02:38] <willvdl> sounds huge
[02:38] <RichEd> AS a final comment, Canonical is being paid for a chunk of time for ogra. So this helps us with Canonical moving towards self-sufficiency.
[02:39] <RichEd> Not bad for a "funded side-bar project" moving towards income bearing within 12-18 months from conception. :)
[02:39] <highvoltage> cool, we have a similar model with our company :)
[02:39] <RichEd> moving on to the last item ... #3 of 3
[02:39] <RichEd> 3. All Canonical division heads are preparing a 1 year plan. Deadline 30 August, followed by individual reviews by Mark over September. I'm responsible for Education. I will get input from necessary people and share what I can when done at Edubuntu meetings. (Before and after review).
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[02:40] <RichEd> Considerable effort will be required to to establish and then maintain this plan. It is our goal to update this plan once a year and seek to achieve our goals within a 3 - 5 year period.
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[02:40] <pips1> re EduLinux news: very promising
[02:40] <RichEd> This will give you all some idea of the priorities from a higher level.
[02:40] <RichEd> *** Note about all of the above, that the deals are done, but not for singing wildly from rooftops.
[02:41] <RichEd> Please wait for official engaments & PRO stuff.
[02:41] <pips1> oki
[02:41] <RichEd> So the good news about 3 is that we are now seen as offical division from a Canonical Company Perspective.
[02:42] <RichEd> Mark has 7 heads report into him. I am one of these.
[02:42] <RichEd> So we have the attention of the man who steers the rudder, and approves the resources & costs.
[02:42] <RichEd> We need to show how Education will add value to Canonical.
[02:43] <RichEd> Note that this is not the same as bringing in direct income  ...
[02:43] <RichEd> If we help with market confidence and adoption in education, it will help Ubuntu into income bearing work ...
[02:43] <RichEd> So value is not financial only, but adding to the bigger picture.
[02:44] <RichEd> e.g. if we win as above, Armenian schools, we (1) impress the Armenian Government for future Ubuntu consideration
[02:44] <RichEd> And we help breed school-leavers on Open Source ...
[02:45] <pygi> RichEd, you should take over Croatian schools :) Considering the goverment decided they'll switch entire gov. and shools to Linux :)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:45] <RichEd> Which knowledge & understanding they will take into their jobs & companies ...
[02:45] <RichEd> And of course, it is our flavour of Open Source ... so good for the cause, and good for us.
[02:46] <RichEd> unwrap even :P
[02:46] <RichEd> pygi: send me details ... even press / comment
[02:46] <pygi> RichEd, understood :) Press is in croatian tho :P
[02:47] <RichEd> We have a powerful marketing and handshake team growing at head office. They do visits to regions and governments.
[02:47] <willvdl> pygi, and on newsforge
[02:47] <RichEd> by pygi do you read croation ?
[02:47] <pygi> willvdl, and slashdot :)
[02:47] <RichEd> 'cos i can see that you can type in english ;)
[02:47] <pygi> RichEd, I am from Croatia :)
[02:47] <pygi> RichEd, really? wow :)
[02:48] <RichEd> --- that's all from me then ----
[02:48] <jsgotangco> RichEd: it looks to complicated to me I am just a simple user with simple needs from my end
[02:49] <pips1> re market confidence: government officials might think positively about floss, but the majority of "normal people" still think that linux is for geeks only. I think the "success stories from real labs" are needed to succeed
[02:50] <willvdl> pipsl, we want to draw up case studies
[02:50] <RichEd> pips1: I agree ... and govt. FLOSS is still in theory ideals only ... when we have case studies they can follow, real projects will emerge
[02:50] <willvdl> that can be used as marketing material/usage database etc.
[02:51] <RichEd> but if the schools & kids can use open source, then their techies have less excuses :)
[02:51] <RichEd> Well I am done ... and I see ogra has been disconnected. Anything else from anyone ?
[02:52] <highvoltage> yes
[02:52] <RichEd> highvoltage: ?
[02:52] <highvoltage> previously, pips1 wanted to do the Edubuntu website
[02:52] <highvoltage> he has lots of ideas and plans, but didn't have the time previously
[02:53] <highvoltage> he says that he can now make the time, and can take responsibility for the site now
[02:53] <highvoltage> (sorry for delay, been interupted)
[02:54] <RichEd> well can we bring him into an intro with matt nuzum ?
[02:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes
[02:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: that's the plan
[02:54] <RichEd> great .. can you send an email to me & cc matt & pips1 ?
[02:54] <highvoltage> yep
[02:54] <RichEd> with an outline / intro / suggestions ?
[02:54] <RichEd> tx.
[02:55] <pips1> highvoltage thanks!
[02:55] <RichEd> anything else anyone ...
[02:55] <jsgotangco> does this mean changing the acls of the drupal cms
[02:55] <RichEd> and thanks to you pips1 :) nive one
[02:55] <RichEd> nice :P
[02:55] <pips1> jsgotangco: huh?
[02:55] <highvoltage> yes, thanks pips1 :)
[02:56] <RichEd> jsgotangco: we'll be formalising through matt nuzum, but will take community requirements into account
[02:56] <highvoltage> (nothing more from my side)
[02:56] <RichEd> going once ...
[02:56] <willvdl> documentation?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> i have nothing to say on my side until i now where i will be standing
[02:56] <highvoltage> RichEd: pips1 has community in mind with his planning, so community will still be a big part of it
[02:56] <jsgotangco> s/now/know
[02:57] <RichEd> willvdl: specifics ?
[02:57] <RichEd> highvoltage: i'll also bring pips1 into the chats with jono bacon (community) when there is a plan & a fit
[02:57] <highvoltage> RichEd: great
[02:58] <willvdl> not really, we touched on it last week and I think it's quintessential to cover
[02:58] <RichEd> we have no hedgemadge or cbx33 today ... do you have anything ?
[02:58] <pips1> RichEd: :-)
[02:59] <willvdl> good point...
[02:59] <willvdl> I'll follow up there first
[02:59] <RichEd> so if that is a no ... going twice ...
[02:59] <jsgotangco> oh well
[02:59] <Hobbsee> quick!  someone has to find something to discuss!
[03:00] <pips1> jsgotangco: ...?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> nothing interesting here
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: plans to take over the world, maybe?
[03:00] <pips1> hehe
[03:01] <RichEd> well thanks all ... wrapped up in an hour ... more exicting news & discussion next week then
[03:01] <willvdl> okie. RichEd, pvt for 5 mins?
[03:01] <RichEd> fine will ... see you there
[03:02] <jsgotangco> waiting for a dapper upgrade to edgy in my pathetic dsl is the worse
[03:03] <willvdl> ciao
[03:03] <pips1> bye
[03:03] <highvoltage> bye!
[06:34] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[06:34] <GNAM> left.
[07:17] <Seveas> @schedule Rome
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council
[07:17] <Seveas> GNAM, --^