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LaserJockah, nifty12:46
LaserJockI added a source package search engine to opera12:46
LaserJockthat's nice12:46
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ryanakcacan someone look at this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2933 please?02:34
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crimsunlooks fine initially02:39
crimsunI can do a more thorough review in several hours.02:39
ryanakcakk, ty02:40
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LaserJockpheww, I finally got one complete IRC log from the MOTU School session on the wiki02:44
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LaserJockheh, I saved it before I said that, just in case ;-)02:45
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ryanakcaanybody else want to review eqonomize?02:54
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LaserJockhi bddebian03:03
bddebianHeya LaserJock03:04
bddebianHeya gang03:04
LaserJockbye bddebian :-)03:04
bddebianDoh, bye03:05
welshbyteello bddebian03:10
welshbytebddebian: i'm mentioning you in a blog.. got a site/blog i could link to?03:13
bddebianWhat, are you doing a morons of Ubuntu page? :-)03:16
welshbytenah, just rambling about my first experiences of ubuntu packaging, man page writing and stuff ;)03:17
welshbyteoh, and when you have a spare minute.. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=292703:21
crimsun(hah, these motu celebrities!)03:23
bddebianwelshbyte: Aye, I'm working on some reviews now, so I'll take a look03:25
bddebiancrimsun: But none of us can touch you :-)03:25
welshbytebddebian: thanks :)03:25
ajmitchcrimsun: why, back in our day there were no celebrities..03:25
crimsunbddebian: hah, I'm no celebrity.03:25
crimsunajmitch: :)03:25
tsengthe only celeb here is dholbach03:26
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bddebianHeya tseng03:26
tsenggreat, the entire muslim community just switched away from ubuntu03:26
crimsunI'm pretty sure someone will proclaim you a blasphemer since BdDebianIsAGod is already in Google's cache03:26
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bddebianWell you will probably all be happy to know that I might be disappearing again for a while03:28
bddebianvas is los? W: libgrapple-1.0-0; The library libgrapple is not in a shlibs file.03:30
ajmitchbddebian: why are you leaving us?03:31
bddebianajmitch: Because I bug you all?03:31
ajmitchoh right03:32
bddebian :-)  j/k.  I'm not sure yet but work is going to pick up significantly until about November03:32
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bddebianSo like everything else, I know little about libraries.  What does that linda error mean?03:33
bddebianajmitch: Nice03:33
ajmitchyou must have the shlibs file in the final package03:34
bddebianWhat does that mean?03:34
ajmitchsee the library packaging guide03:34
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welshbyteshouldn't add to your celebrity much, i expect the only person who reads my blog is my mother ;)03:35
bddebianIs there a library packaging guide as part of LaserJocks stuff?03:35
bddebianwelshbyte: Believe me, I'm no celebrity03:36
welshbytei know i know03:36
ajmitchbddebian: no, just the debian library packaging guide03:36
ajmitchfirst google hit03:36
welshbytemore of a deity03:36
bddebianwelshbyte: Oh man, not you too03:36
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bddebianHmm, dh_makshlibs should cover it?03:40
bddebianErr makeshlibs03:40
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ryanakcabddebian: ummm.... when you get a chance, can you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2933 please?03:41
bddebianOh, no, he has that.  Hmm03:41
bddebianIs it maybe running for the wrong package?  I.E., should it be dh_makeshlibs -pfoo ?03:42
ajmitchor with the wrong options03:42
ajmitchor it could be done with debian/libfoo.shlibs03:43
bddebianOK, thx03:43
bddebianryanakca: I'll take a look03:45
ryanakcabddebian: thanks :)03:45
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bddebianSo if I'm such a "God", why can't I figure out this pygobject crap? :'-(03:53
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slomobddebian: what's wrong with it?03:55
welshbyteit's a theological anomaly03:56
bddebianslomo: I'm not even sure it's it yet but bug #5718203:58
UbugtuMalone bug 57182 in pygobject "Problem importing codegen from desextras" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5718203:58
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bddebianwelshbyte: Couple of things but overall looks good04:02
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welshbytebddebian: cool, cheers04:03
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bddebianryanakca: Gonna go have a cigarette, then you're next :-)04:06
ryanakcabddebian: kk04:06
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hubryanakca: dance more04:14
ryanakcalol, yes04:14
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bddebianIn Python whats the difference between sys.path.insert and sys.path.append?04:15
ajmitchwhere it gets placed in the sys.path list04:16
ajmitchwhich is checked in order04:16
bddebianinsert at beginning, append at end?04:16
ajmitchinsert takes a position to place the item04:18
ryanakcabrb, log in log out... see if kde works again...04:18
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bddebianajmitch: Thx.  How does it get the path?  In this case it is doing sys.path.append(0, 'codegen').  How does it know where codegen is?04:21
ajmitchappend or insert?04:22
bddebianShould changelog entry on initial packaging include any patches added?04:22
bddebianajmitch: Sorry, insert04:22
ajmitchbddebian: so 'codegen' gets stuck as the first entry04:22
ajmitchchangelog should04:22
bddebianajmitch: I got that part but how does it "find" codegen?04:23
ryanakcabddebian: g'night... It's late and I'm going to bed, See you some time tommorow and I'll look at the revu page for comments04:23
ajmitchbddebian: codegen will be a directory, it'll look there04:23
bddebianryanakca: OK, gnight04:24
bddebianajmitch: So it shouldn't be a full path instead? Like sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen') ?04:25
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bddebianUh oh, I've overblown my question quota again, huh? :)04:31
welshbyteat least you're reading python and not this silly m4 stuff ;)04:34
Quinn_Stormugh...m4...why in the world did they choose m4 for autotools?04:34
welshbytehello Quinn_Storm04:35
bddebianHello Quinn_Storm04:36
bddebianwelshbyte: Hey, I have a great one for you next.. ;-P04:36
welshbytei swear autotools was created to give me headaches04:36
welshbytebddebian: bring it on :P04:36
bddebianwelshbyte: http://www.typo3.org  Needs the latest packaged ;-P04:37
welshbytebddebian: would it be bad if i ignored that libdir warning from linda? it seems the 2.1.8 package ignored it04:38
welshbyteoh no, not a web app! :/04:39
bddebianwelshbyte: Yeah and an ugly package at that. :-)04:43
bddebianwelshbyte: If it's valid you can probably do a lintian-override for it but you might want some other input.  There is a lot I don't know :-(04:43
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welshbytewell it seems valid, the file says /lib but it's in /usr/lib although i don't know how it works or what uses it04:47
bddebianHeya Hobbsee04:47
welshbyteello Hobbsee04:48
Hobbseehi bddebian04:49
Hobbseehey welshbyte04:49
Hobbseewhat's new?04:49
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bddebianHobbsee: Struggling through a python thing.  You?04:49
Hobbseebddebian: having trouble typing in the root password :P  i just got up04:49
Hobbseewell, user password, ie sudo04:50
Hobbseebddebian: what kind of python thing?04:51
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bddebianIs getting the path to codegen by doing foo = getoutput('pkg-config --variable codegendir pygtk-2.0') considered "OK"?04:51
bddebianwelshbyte: What, are you nuts? :-)04:51
welshbyte /nick brazil_pecan_cashew04:52
Hobbseeholy cow.  74 new emails overnight.04:52
Hobbseeryanakca: must have been busy, it looks like!04:52
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Hobbseeand none of them are spam either :P04:53
welshbyteawesome, looks like i can ignore linda :)05:00
welshbytei like learning new things05:00
Quinn_Stormhmm, looks like compiz is about ready ^-^, no more shlibdeps, proper revisions, no more goofy custom gconf stuff...broken out into compiz-core, compiz-plugins...build-deps and deps should be good05:01
welshbyteQuinn_Storm: awesome :)05:02
Hobbseewelshbyte: usually not a good idea to ignore linda, depending on what it is05:02
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bluefoxicylinda needs to be updated on revu05:02
Hobbseebluefoxicy: true that.  StevenK's working on it.  in fact, i thought he sent a copy05:03
Hobbseebluefoxicy: oh, that's right.  StevenK was having trouble getting the latest version to install on breezy.05:03
welshbyte"W: gnu-smalltalk; The .la file /usr/lib/gnu-smalltalk/libc.la contains a libdir which is different to its path."  but libc.la says that libc.so.6 is in /lib and lo and behold, it is05:04
bluefoxicycan't he down revu for 6 hours to image it into a virtual machine05:04
bluefoxicyand then attempt to upgrade to dapper05:04
Hobbseebluefoxicy: ask siretart that, he's the one who controls it (i think)05:04
Hobbseewelshbyte: do we ship .la files anyway now?  i think not.05:04
bluefoxicy(notice the CRITICAL part of this suggestion involving still retaining the old working copy-- in case you fuck it up)05:05
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Hobbseebah.  who needs revu anyway :P05:05
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Hobbseehey LaserJock05:05
bddebianHeya LaserJock05:05
welshbyteHobbsee: oh... you know something i don't05:05
Hobbseewelshbyte: i think they're gone, yeah05:06
welshbytegreat, so i can just remove it in debian/rules05:06
LaserJockhi Hobbsee and bddebian05:11
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crimsunbddebian: btw, unless you preface the sentence with my nick followed by either a comma or a colon, irssi doesn't highlight.05:25
crimsunwelshbyte: no, libtool archives are not supposed to be shipped.05:26
LaserJockhmm, you need some better highlighting then crimsun ;-)05:26
crimsunLaserJock: I consider it sanity-checking, else I'd never get any work done05:27
welshbytecrimsun: thanks... how about .a files?05:27
bddebiancrimsun: Oh and here I thought you were just good at ignoring me ;-P05:27
crimsunwelshbyte: yes, those are definitely shipped in -dev05:27
crimsunnot doing so would break just about everything that passes -lfoo ;)05:28
welshbytehm, gnu-smalltalk ships a /usr/lib/libgst.la and a /usr/lib/libgst.a at the moment05:28
crimsunremove the former prior to building the deb05:29
welshbytewill do05:30
bddebiancrimsun: I don't suppose you have time to help me with this pygobject thing?05:30
crimsunI'd love to, but that requires significant resources, and honestly I'm about to nod off05:31
bddebianOK, thx anyway05:31
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bddebianHeya carthik05:35
carthikHi bddebian05:36
bddebianShould this just work or am I missing something?05:44
bddebian>>> import os05:44
bddebian>>> import sys05:44
bddebian>>> sys.path.insert(0, 'codegen')05:44
bddebian>>> from codegen import register_types05:44
bddebianTraceback (most recent call last):05:44
bddebian  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?05:44
bddebianImportError: No module named codegen05:44
welshbytebddebian: where is the 'codegen' directory that you're inserting into the path?05:47
lifelessbddebian: changing the python path is usually not needed05:48
bddebianwelshbyte: Dunno, that's what I'm trying to figure out05:48
lifelessbddebian: its ugly, error prone etc.05:48
lifelessbddebian: what are you trying to do ?05:48
bddebianThis is what dsextras.py from pyobjects does05:48
lifelessdoes it have a subdir 'codegen' with a subdir 'codegen' with a file '__init__.py' ?05:49
bddebianI don't see one05:49
lifelessthen it wont work05:49
bddebianIt doesn't ;-P05:49
lifelessis there a codegen subdir05:50
bddebianFrom where dsextras.py is?05:51
lifelessI guess, though knowningcwd is probably more important05:51
bddebianNow this does work:05:51
bddebian>>> sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen')05:51
bddebian>>> from codegen import register_types05:51
lifelessseriously wrong05:53
welshbytei expect you only really need /usr/share/pygtk/2.0 to be in the path to import codegen from it05:53
lifelesswelshbyte: nah, bet you uit has a subdir05:54
welshbyteheh, that would be typical05:54
bddebianWell here is the comment from dsextras.py from pyobjects:05:54
bddebian        # We must insert it first, otherwise python will try '.' first,05:54
bddebian        # in which it exist a "bogus" codegen (the third import line05:54
bddebian        # here will fail)05:54
bddebian        sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen')05:54
bddebianBut I don't see an "extra" codegen dir anywhere05:54
lifelessthis is either bogus code, or a bogus developer, or something05:54
lifelesscrufty as05:55
bddebianI don't think so, it's seb128.  But I don't think he agrees with me05:56
welshbyteright lets see if this thing builds with tcl8.406:06
bddebiango welshbyte, go welshbyte ;-)06:06
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welshbyteseems to have worked :)06:09
LaserJockhmm, what has happend to edgy's sudo lately06:13
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LaserJockhmm, so how do I tell sudo to keep my PATH06:19
LaserJockbddebian: do you know ^^ ?06:21
bddebianFor su, I know it was su - but I don't know for sudo, sorry :-(06:21
LaserJockit hasn't bugged you yet?06:21
bddebianEverything bugs me :-)06:22
LaserJockwell, I have my pbuilder scripts in ~/bin/06:22
LaserJockand today I noticed that I could no longer do sudo pbuilder-edgy06:22
LaserJockI had to give it the full path06:22
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LaserJockpbuilder is run with sudo, right?06:24
LaserJockoh, silly me06:26
LaserJockmy ~/bin scripts start with sudo, I don't need to call them with sudo06:27
LaserJockI've been doing too much pbuilder howto writing06:27
LaserJockwhere you do sudo pbuilder directly06:27
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Hobbseesarah@sarah:~$ cat /usr/local/bin/edgybuild06:28
Hobbseepdebuild --buildresult ../ --configfile /home/sarah/pbuilder/edgy/pbuilderrc --auto-debsign --debsign-k 7D2BCE8506:28
HobbseeLaserJock: ^06:28
HobbseeLaserJock: so not exactly needing to sudo it06:29
LaserJockhmm, interesting06:29
welshbytedoesn't it get confusing having a computer with the same name as you? :)06:29
Hobbseewelshbyte: not really06:29
Hobbseewelshbyte: why would it?06:29
Hobbseei'm the only one who uses this machine06:30
LaserJockheh, well mine are all familiar terms for me06:30
LaserJockphoton, electron, proton, etc. ;-)06:30
welshbyteoh just wondered06:30
Hobbseewelshbyte: and i'm incredibly shocking in naming things06:31
LaserJockI'm supprised it's not sarah@Hobbsee :-)06:31
HobbseeLaserJock: hehe.  i dont use hobbsee much in RL - like, i answer to it, but people usually call me sarah06:32
welshbyteHobbsee: oh i know what you mean, i have a hard time naming stuff too. i just got lucky when i fell upon the naming scheme for my computers :)06:32
Hobbseeof course, in RL, it's obvious that i'm female anyway, so there's no point in not disclosing the nme06:33
welshbyteoops, just noticed i was still set as away06:34
bddebianSpeaking of which, I have got to get my arse to bed.  Gnight folks06:35
welshbytebddebian: g'night06:35
bddebianwelshbyte: Are you going to re-upload gnu-smalltalk?06:35
welshbytebddebian: just done it06:35
bddebianSweet, I'll check it in the morning.  Thanks again!06:35
welshbytecheers :)06:36
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LaserJockHobbsee: did you merge maxima?07:23
HobbseeLaserJock: yes07:24
HobbseeLaserJock: i probably didnt need to, but yeah07:24
HobbseeLaserJock: not a problem :)07:24
HobbseeLaserJock: unfortunately, the machine i like building on is awol at the moment07:25
LaserJockI wish the GUI worked but that's my problem07:25
LaserJockI got almost 10 bug emails about that today07:26
LaserJockI guess that's how fixes get done07:27
LaserJockpester the devs with emails until they can't stand it anymore ;-)07:27
jsgotangcowha? the great LaserJock is not aware of the procedure? heh07:27
LaserJockoh, I am07:27
LaserJockI'm just not used to being on the recieving end so much :-)07:28
jsgotangcothat last xorg-core update had tons of bugs07:28
LaserJocklol, poor rodrigo07:28
LaserJockI feel bad for him07:28
HobbseeLaserJock: yeah...i'd hate to be him right now07:29
LaserJockwell, the thing is I don't think he signed on to do X maintaining07:30
LaserJockhe is Edubuntu technical lead07:30
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LaserJockat least rodrigo has the guts to take on X for a while07:32
HobbseeLaserJock: good point that07:32
LaserJockeither that or being the newest employee made him draw the short straw07:32
crimsunhopefully he has been getting help from everyone.07:34
crimsunI know Andrew and I have been rejecting and marking duplicates of 57153 since early yesterday07:34
Hobbseecrimsun: wish the bugtracker had gone down during that time, rather than a few hours ealrier :P07:35
jsgotangcowell rodrigo had the X experience with conectiva07:52
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Arbiteri need a REVU admin09:01
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ArbiterHobbsee: ping09:02
HobbseeArbiter: pong.  i'm not a revu admin though09:02
ArbiterHobbsee: i know :)09:03
Arbiterwould you review 3 packages? :D09:03
Arbiterdebian-servicemenu attach-to-email-servicemenu kcmpureftpd :)09:04
Hobbseewow, you've been busy09:04
Arbiternote: *-servicemenu have licensing issues09:04
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Arbiter(the websites say that are licensed under GPL license but no license file or GPL comment in files are provided)09:05
Arbiter(nor a copyright notice)09:05
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Arbiteri asked upstream to include those details for the next release of the packages09:06
ArbiterHobbsee: anyway... links are http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2935 (kcmpureftpd) - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2925 (attach-to-email-servicemenu) - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2923 (debian-servicemenu)09:07
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Hobbseeyay for ssh09:08
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Arbiterall tested in edgy pbuilder and installed on my local machine09:08
Arbiterand everything seems to work :)09:08
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ArbiterHobbsee: https://launchpad.net/+builds/vernadsky (4th line) <-- yes! :D09:12
Hobbsee Arbiter nice :)09:13
Arbiterslomo: ping09:14
ArbiterHobbsee: where i can post some kubuntu artwork proposals?09:17
HobbseeArbiter: um.  on the wiki.  there i s apage :P09:17
NafalloHobbsee: wrong. there is more than one page on the wiki :-)09:19
HobbseeNafallo: nyah :P09:19
ArbiterHobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?09:25
HobbseeArbiter: looks good09:25
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Arbiterheya Gloubiboulga09:57
Gloubiboulgahello arbiter :)09:58
Arbiteri'll be back soon10:00
Arbiterah Gloubiboulga could you review this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2935 (kcmpureftpd)10:00
GloubiboulgaArbiter, not now, but I'm adding it on my TODO list10:01
Arbiterthanks a lot10:02
Arbiteri've uploaded also attach-to-email-servicemenu but it has the same license issue as debian-servicemenu10:02
Toadstoolgood morning10:06
Goshawkhow can i obtain my password in REVU? the lostpw.py script seems to don't work with me10:18
GloubiboulgaGoshawk, have you already uploaded a package on REVU ?10:19
GoshawkGloubiboulga: sure, it's splashy10:19
Gloubiboulgaok, then you should be able to recover your password...10:20
Gloubiboulgayou need to ping a REVU admin10:21
GoshawkGloubiboulga: yep i'm but when i should encrypt mesage with gpg10:21
Goshawkthere is no text to encrypt/decript in the html page10:21
Gloubiboulgasounds like a bug10:21
Toadstoolhmm I think siretart told something about a broken pw_recover.py or something like that a while ago10:22
Goshawkyep i talked with sirestart, but i've not my password10:22
Goshawkso i can comment on REVU10:23
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ToadstoolGoshawk: do you know that splashy is already packaged in Debian Sid?10:25
GoshawkToadstool: sure i know10:25
Toadstoolforget about that :p10:25
Goshawkbut it's not in ubuntu10:25
GoshawkToadstool: i'm one of the developers and i know the debian maintainer10:26
Toadstoolyou should file a bug asking for a sync, and poke a MOTU here to confirm it10:27
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phanaticmorning :)10:27
Toadstoolheya phanatic10:27
phanatichey Toadstool10:28
phanaticajmitch: thanks for your review, i'll upload a new package soonish10:28
ToadstoolGoshawk: I may not be very well awoken, I didn't notice the changes in the B-Deps... sorry10:30
ToadstoolGoshawk: you should list that kind of changes in the changelog imho10:30
GoshawkToadstool: ok. so i should repackage it10:31
Toadstooland you shouldn't change the "This package was debianized by" line10:31
Toadstoolrepackage it?10:31
Goshawkand... if we want a fully integration in ubuntu, there are some things to change10:31
GoshawkToadstool: repackage or create a new ubuntu version ubuntu1 ---> ubuntu210:32
GoshawkToadstool: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/5688210:32
UbugtuMalone bug 56882 in lsb "/etc/lsb-base-logging.sh should be in usplash package" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 10:32
Goshawkthat fiel in in usplash in debian, in ubuntu it's in lsb-base10:32
ToadstoolGoshawk: just apply your modifications to ubuntu1 and reupload it to REVU as ubuntu110:32
GoshawkToadstool: ah so i don't need to put anotehr version, REVU gets the lastest package10:34
Goshawkcan i confirm that bug?10:35
ToadstoolGoshawk: confirming one's own bugs is generally speaking not a good idea but I think you can with this one :)10:39
GoshawkToadstool: i'm configming it because it's there from some dys without attenctions10:40
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phanaticcould anybody have a look at this please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293612:47
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imbrandonphanatic: not orig.tar.gz but theres a diff01:49
phanaticimbrandon: what's the problem?01:50
imbrandonthere is no orig.tar.gz01:50
phanaticdput didn't put it :)01:50
imbrandondid you build with debuild -S -sa ?01:51
phanaticdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S01:51
phanaticshould be the same01:51
azeemexcept for the -sa01:52
azeemwhich is the crucial point here01:52
phanatici got the point01:53
imbrandonalso did you read ajmitch comment about it shouldnt be versiond natively ?01:53
phanaticyeah, forgot to change the revision number :/01:54
phanaticin debian/changelog01:54
phanaticwill upload soon01:55
Arbiterany reviewer around?01:58
Arbiterif yes could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2935 (kcmpureftpd) thanks :)01:58
phanaticcould someone delete olive? it got stuck :( got a 553 response...02:01
phanaticUploading via ftp olive_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of olive_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc02:05
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Arbiterheya cbx3302:09
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siretartslomo: http://incoming.debian.org/ffmpeg_0.cvs20060823-1.dsc02:12
slomosiretart: cool :) will you care for it or shall i?02:13
cbx33Hi Arbiter02:13
cbx33howz it goin02:13
siretartslomo: I'm busy today, if you have time, please do it02:13
siretartslomo: sam just told me on #debian-devel02:14
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Sp4rKydpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format02:15
Sp4rKywhat must i do02:15
Sp4rKyi've a changelog.in02:15
azeemSp4rKy: why do you have a changelog.in?02:16
Sp4rKyazeem, because the source was already debiannized02:16
azeemthat's not a reason02:16
Sp4rKyso i've recreated debian/02:16
azeemremove the debian/ then, and or patch it properly in the .diff.gz02:16
Sp4rKyso i have to patch the configure02:16
Sp4rKyfor it don't look at debain/changelog.in ?02:17
azeemwhy should it look at changelog.in?02:17
Sp4rKybecause it create debian/changelog from debian/changelog.in02:18
azeemwhat is "it"?02:18
azeemwhy does configure muck around with debian/changelog?02:19
slomosiretart: i'll try to get it updated later :)02:20
Sp4rKyi don't know why, but configure create changelog from changelog.in02:20
siretartslomo: sync or merge?02:20
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MithrandirSp4rKy: make configure stop doing that.  It sounds like upstream is doing seriously wrong things.02:21
slomosiretart: merge... we need at least the epoch again ;)02:21
siretartslomo: I see02:21
Arbiterslomo: do you have some free time? :D02:21
slomoArbiter: not really... why?02:22
Sp4rKyMithrandir, i've already talked with upstream, but they doesn't wan't change anything (it's enlightenment)02:22
Arbiterthere's libgimp-cil waiting for your review :)02:22
Hobbseeslomo: you're in charge of xine-lib, right?02:22
tsengHobbsee: he is in charge of everything02:23
Hobbseetseng: point.02:23
MithrandirSp4rKy: well, it's a blatant violation of Debian and Ubuntu policy, so just patch it out.02:23
siretartHobbsee: what is it with xine-lib?02:24
Sp4rKyMithrandir, k02:24
azeemSp4rKy: is the debian/ dir shipped in their release tarballs?02:24
azeemor just cvs/svn/whatever?02:24
slomoHobbsee: you might want to talk to siretart :) he cares more for it lately02:24
Sp4rKyazeem, don't know02:24
Hobbseesiretart: slomo:  ah okay.  m4b playback.  i've got a patch for it, from kde upstream/gentoo, but it's giving me grief in applying it.02:25
Hobbseesiretart: do you care enough to eyeball it, change it, fix it, etc?02:25
slomoHobbsee: wtf is m4b? another variant of a mp4 container format? ;)02:25
Hobbseechange is simple - it seems to be the introducing of a patch system at all that is causing greif02:25
Hobbseeslomo: i think so, yeah02:26
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siretartHobbsee: Ive seen quite some interesting patches in the gentoo repo that you pointed me in the bugreport02:26
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siretartHobbsee: I'd like to talk to flameyes about them. he is also xine upstream, and I wanted to ask him why those patches arn't upstream yet02:27
Hobbseesiretart: fair enough02:27
siretartHobbsee: I'd need to find some hours to go through the gentoo patchsets and integrate them into the debian package. then I will remerge them in the ubuntu package.02:27
siretartHobbsee: I have all branches in bzr, btw02:28
Hobbseesiretart: cool :)02:28
Sp4rKydoes manpages are really needed ?02:30
Sp4rKyin a package ?02:30
ToadstoolSp4rKy: "If no manual page is available, this is considered as a bug and should be reported to the Debian Bug Tracking System (the maintainer of the package is allowed to write this bug report themselves, if they so desire). Do not close the bug report until a proper man page is available."02:32
ToadstoolDebian Policy02:32
Sp4rKysorry :p02:32
Toadstoolno problem :)02:32
Sp4rKygloubiboulga said me they 're not needed anymore02:33
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ToadstoolSp4rKy: if lintian complains about something, there is a huge chance that this is required by the debian policy ;)02:34
slomosiretart: you will build xine against the new ffmpeg then?02:35
Sp4rKyToadstool, says it to {my,your} mentor :)02:36
YagisanSp4rKy, we still need man pages.02:36
siretartslomo: I need to test this. currently, xine is built against the internal copy02:36
ToadstoolSp4rKy: heh02:37
siretartslomo: I need to do some tests. xine 1.1.3cvs has already a newer ffmpeg snapshot. the changes that needed to be done outside src/libffmpeg didn't look too bad, so I expect it to work02:37
siretartbut I promise nothing :)02:37
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Sp4rKyanother question, if a lib which is only used by one application has a buggued soname, could i just put here in /usr/lib or must i put it in /usr/lib/foo02:45
azeembuggered how exactly?02:45
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tsengcan anyone suggest a small tool to run from cron to do apt security updates in a (semi)automated fashion?02:50
tsengand don't say cfengine02:51
tseng*looks at update-apt*02:51
thomyou could probably hack apticron up02:51
tseng  Update APT is a simple tool which will ensure that your local02:52
tseng machine is kept up to date in a simple manner.02:52
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tsengwritten by "The Other Steven K"02:53
Sp4rKyazeem, the name is libfoo.so.X.Y.Z and the soname is X.Y.Z02:53
azeemSp4rKy: how did you figure out the soname is X.Y.Z?02:53
tsengbut not quite it02:53
azeemor do you mean literally "X.Y.Z"02:53
Sp4rKythe somane is X.Y.Z02:54
Sp4rKyit's the result objdump write02:55
azeemSp4rKy: how did you figure out the soname is X.Y.Z?02:55
Mithrandirtseng: pkgsync or cron-apt too.02:55
azeemI suggest you rather fix this then02:55
MithrandirI'd hope it's rather libfoo.so.X.Y.Z than just X.Y.Z (or preferably libfoo.X as the soname, but you can't always have it that way)02:56
StevenKtseng: There's another me?03:02
tsengStevenK: steve kemp03:06
StevenKOh yeah03:06
tsengi thought you were him at first03:06
tsengso solly03:06
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slomosiretart: works fine here... mplayer still crashes but this is "only" a symbol collision problem... ffmpeg and mplayer both ship their own liba52 copies... :(03:15
slomosiretart: i'll fix mplayer later, ffmpeg is uploaded03:15
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Sp4rKyi've an issue with my pbuilder03:49
Sp4rKyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:03:49
Sp4rKy  libeet0-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed03:49
Sp4rKyand when i do a pbuilder login && apt-get install zlib1g-dev03:50
Sp4rKyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:03:50
Sp4rKy  zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-6ubuntu4) but 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1 is to be installed03:50
Sp4rKythis is a dapepr pbuilder03:50
crimsunso what is an edgy package doing in your dapper pbuilder?03:52
Sp4rKyedgy ?03:52
Sp4rKythis isn't an edgy package03:53
crimsunyes, that's edgy's zlib1g03:53
crimsunyou claim it's a dapper pbuilder, but edgy's zlib1g is sourced (and therefore appears)03:53
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Sp4rKysorry, i don't understand03:54
Sp4rKyi've a dapper system and a dapper pbuilder03:54
Sp4rKyand twice have zlib1g03:54
crimsunin your dapper pbuilder, libeet0-dev cannot be installed because it depends on the dapper version of zlib1g-dev (1:1.2.3-6ubuntu4), but you have _edgy's_ zlib1g (1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1) installed in your pbuilder.03:55
crimsunthus the question is, "why do you have edgy's zlib1g in your dapper pbuilder?"03:56
Sp4rKyi don't know03:56
Sp4rKyso i've to reinstall my pbuilder ?03:56
crimsunnot necessarily. perhaps. the better approach is to figure out why that edgy package is polluting your dapper pbuilder. check your pbuilder's sources.list.03:57
crimsunI'd walk backward from a ``pbuilder login''03:57
crimsunonce you've logged into your pbuilder, ``apt-cache policy zlib1g''03:58
Sp4rKyi'm doing03:58
Sp4rKy  Installed: 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu103:59
Sp4rKy  Candidate: 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu103:59
Sp4rKy  Version table:03:59
Sp4rKy *** 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1 003:59
Sp4rKy        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status03:59
Sp4rKy     1:1.2.3-6ubuntu4 003:59
Sp4rKy        500 http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages03:59
Sp4rKyroot@Sp4rKy-laptop:/# cat /etc/apt/sources.list03:59
Sp4rKydeb http://e17.tuxfamily.org dapper e1703:59
Sp4rKydeb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse03:59
crimsunso. Why in the world do you have edgy's zlib1g installed?03:59
Sp4rKydon't know :/04:00
Sp4rKyso i just remove this library ?04:00
crimsunwell, do you have edgy's version in the pbuilder's /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?04:03
thomSp4rKy: apt-get install zlib1g/dapper04:04
thomand see what breaks04:04
Sp4rKyroot@Sp4rKy-laptop:/# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/zlib1g*04:05
Sp4rKy/var/cache/apt/archives/zlib1g-dev_1%3a1.2.3-13ubuntu1_i386.deb  /var/cache/apt/archives/zlib1g_1%3a1.2.3-6ubuntu4_i386.deb04:05
Sp4rKythom, works04:06
crimsunso yes, you do have edgy's zlib1g{,-dev} debs cached. Remove them, then apt-get update, then log out of your pbuilder.04:07
crimsunnow if they're already in your base.tgz, you'll be back where you started before, which means you'll have to redo what you just did with ``pbuilder login --save-after-login''04:08
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Sp4rKynow i've the same issue with libimlib204:27
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hubwhiprush: the  thing on the pictures on your blog looks like a giant cock04:35
hubhey \sh04:36
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whiprushhub: hehe, yeah04:37
thomwhiprush: i did wonder why the girls looked so interested in it...04:38
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siretartslomo: making xine use external liba52 is on my list anyway04:47
siretartslomo: in fact, I've already done this in a branch04:47
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slomosiretart: cool... but i was talking about mplayer ;)04:57
slomosiretart: and the easy workaround doesn't work at all :P grmpf...04:59
\shsiretart: do you have a bazaar branch for the fai changes you made in your last upload for dapper?05:00
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lfittlcould need some help with the following linda warning: "This package contains shared libraries and no shlibs file.", how exactly should the shlibs file look like?05:14
slomolfittl: it should be created by dh_makeshlibs05:15
lfittlslomo: it is, but linda doesn't seem to like it05:16
siretart\sh: I'm sure that I have, however, the debdiff is quite small05:16
lfittlslomo: "libgrapple-1.0 0 libgrapple-1.0-0", can that be correct?05:17
siretartslomo: can't you build mplayer with the external liba52?05:17
lfittlslomo: source is at REVU, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293105:17
slomosiretart: probably... will still explode because of ffmpeg's own version05:17
slomosiretart: i'll try to use ffmpeg's version in mplayer later05:17
siretartslomo: err, ffmpeg uses an internal copy of lib52a?05:18
siretartyou're sure?05:18
slomosiretart: by just linking to libavcodec.so.0d instead of the static liba52 stuff that is created in the mplayer build tree05:18
\shsiretart: I'm asking, because I wanted to fix some nfsroot configs as well, so we could push it onto lp and work together05:19
slomosiretart: objdump -T /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0d | grep a52 <--- all stuff in the so05:19
\shsiretart: how is life btw? :)05:19
siretartslomo: oh darn. perhaps you can check with sam about this?05:24
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siretart\sh: quite busy. I have a new part time job, but I'm quite busy with my thesis as well05:24
slomosiretart: sure... sam in #debian-devel?05:25
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siretartslomo: right. I think on oftc only, but I'm not sure05:26
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slomosiretart: here too... let's see what he says05:27
lfittlslomo: if you are too busy to investigate on my problem please say so, I will then re-search library packaging guide, .. ;)05:29
slomolfittl: oh, sorry... yes that looks fine if the library is libgrapple-1.0.so.0 and the package name libgrapple-1.0-005:30
lfittlslomo: hmm05:30
slomomaybe linda is broken :) StevenK?05:31
welshbytelinda on REVU is a bit old, if that's the one you're using (REVU is running breezy)05:35
lfittlwelshbyte: no, I am using linda on edgy05:35
slomosiretart: and mplayer can't be built against system or ffmpeg liba52... it uses private functions :(05:35
welshbyteah ok05:35
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bddebianHeya gang05:37
lfittlhey bddebian05:37
bddebianHi lfittl05:38
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lfittlbddebian: linda seems to be wrong in this case (concerning libgrapple on REVU)05:38
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lfittlbddebian: or do you have any idea what is wrong with the shlibs file?05:39
bddebianlfittl: Aye, I don't use REVU's linda/lintian.05:39
bddebianlfittl: It's missing or not generated for the proper package05:39
AnAntbddebian: could you also review the elinks & freedict packages ?05:40
bddebianAnAnt: Sure, what the hell :)05:40
AnAntbddebian: thanks !05:40
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AnAntworst meaning what ?05:41
siretartslomo: well, sam also maintains liba52. we should definitly fix that05:41
slomosiretart: well, mplayer and ffmpeg have to be fixed, right :) probably not too easy in the case of mplayer...05:42
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lfittlbddebian: its contents are "libgrapple-1.0 0 libgrapple-1.0-0", and it is in the libgrapple-1.0-0 package, seems correct to me05:44
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(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) lfittl: Let me ssh in to my machine05:47
(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) AnAnt: All MOTU's SHOULD be reviewers05:47
(lfittl/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: :)05:47
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) who are the MOTU05:47
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) ?05:47
lfittlbddebian: will help with the reviewing as soon as I am a MOTU (could need your help/"+1" at the next TB meeting ;))05:49
AnAntwhat is help/"+1" & TB ?05:49
azeemTB=Technical Board05:50
=== bddebian points azeem to REVU ;-P
phanaticany revu admins around by chance?05:50
lfittlhelp / "+1": that bddebian (hopefully :D) tells the technical board that I have done good work05:50
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bddebianBut of course :-)05:51
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AnAntI just gone to MOTU wiki page05:51
AnAntdoes that mean that I can be a reviewer since I can upload ?05:51
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lfittlhey dholbach :)05:51
dholbachhey bddebian, lfittl05:52
zulhey dholbach05:52
bddebianAnAnt: You are an MOTU?05:52
AnAntbddebian: dunno, I can upload to REVU05:52
bddebianAnAnt: Oh and anyone can review but only MOTU's can advocate/upload to Ubuntu05:52
bddebianAt least that is my understanding05:53
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AnAntlionelp: you online ?05:56
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lionelpAnAnt: yes05:56
AnAntlionelp: great05:56
AnAntlionelp: remember you once reviewed elinks that I uploaded?05:57
lionelpI remember yes05:57
bddebianAnAnt: I will look at it again also if needed05:57
AnAntbddebian: thanks05:57
AnAntbddebian: the thing is I compiled in it more options than  the one from debian, I was wondering is that the right thing to do, or is it better to add a new target called elinks-full ?05:58
AnAntbddebian: I mean just like ubuntu added a lightweight target called elinks-lite05:59
AnAntI got mixed up05:59
AnAntbddebian: what did you mean by "it" when u said look at it again ?06:00
AnAntbddebian: I was thinking that I was talking to lionelp06:00
bddebianAnAnt: Hmm..  Good question.  I kind of like the elinks-full idea but it might explode the archive a little06:00
AnAntlionelp: ok, you had some comments on elinks, so I fixed them & uploaded elinks on July, I hope you would review it again06:00
lionelpI will have a look06:01
AnAntlionelp: thanks06:01
lionelpThat is not an easy question06:01
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AnAntwhich question ? the elinks-full one ?06:01
AnAntwell, I can help you answer it06:02
AnAntI compiled it with the spidermonkey option, that is to enable javascript support06:02
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AnAntthat option can cause elinks to crash sometimes (if java script was enabled during runtime)06:02
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phanaticraphink: hey, do you have time for a small revu fix? olive got stuck somewhere, and i cannot upload...06:03
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rexbronwhat is the process for getting packages into the Universe06:03
rexbronis there a request form?06:03
AnAntit seems the Debian guys compile in the options that they see are usually needed and that are stable06:04
welshbyterexbron: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU06:04
raphinkphanatic: sure you can now :)06:04
AnAntbtw, won't the recover page on REVU be fixed ?06:04
lionelpAnAnt: one of the problem you have to consider is that elinks is in main06:05
AnAntlionelp: so ?06:06
lionelpbut your build depends on package in universe06:06
phanaticraphink: thanks :)06:06
lionelpso it is not possible to do a single package with another target06:06
AnAntlionelp: sorry I don't understand that last statement06:07
lionelpOk, I try to make it more clear :)06:07
lionelpYou have enabled more options for building elinks06:08
lionelpwith those options, you depends on package in universe06:08
lionelpI was answering to your previous questions: this package can not be *the* elinks package even if you had a "light" and a "full" target to debian/rules06:09
lionelpyou need to keep it in a different package06:09
AnAntdo you mean that it is bad that a package in main would depend on a package in universe ?06:10
lionelpAnAnt: that detail was probably missing in explanation, you are right :)06:11
lionelpyes, a package in main ca not depend on a package in universe06:11
AnAntlionelp: ok, that means, that if I want to add those options, I'd better add a new build target called, elinks-full for example06:12
AnAntlionelp: and leave the elinks target as it is06:12
AnAntlionelp: just like elinks-lite, I just checked it, it is in universe/web06:13
lionelpYou can not call you package elinks06:13
lionelpyou have to call it elinks-full06:13
AnAntlionelp: yes, that's what I mean, just like elinks-lite that Ubuntu added06:13
AnAntlionelp: both elinks & elinks-lite have same source package (that is elinks)06:14
AnAntok, gonna work on that06:14
lionelpAnAnt: you are right, both have the same source06:15
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bddebian*\O/* LaserJock06:17
LaserJockhi bddebian06:18
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AnAntis there something called Replaces: in control file ? or does Conflicts: suffice ?06:19
LaserJockAnAnt: check out the Debian Policy06:19
LaserJockfor proper usage06:19
AnAntLaserJock: tell me, is the recover page on REVU still working for you ?06:20
AnAntLaserJock: where's that debian policy ?06:20
LaserJockAnAnt: yes, it works for me06:20
LaserJockAnAnt: www.debian.org/devel/06:20
AnAntLaserJock: what's the reason for that ?06:20
LaserJockreason for what?06:21
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AnAntLaserJock: that it works for you but not many others06:21
LaserJockIf I new that it would probably be fixed :-)06:22
AnAntyeah, right !06:22
AnAntgotta go06:23
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bddebianWhere is all this spec stuff? I have to start getting some cheesy karma ;-P06:56
zulhey LaserJock btw06:58
LaserJockI think http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs06:58
LaserJockbrb, rebooting into Ubuntu06:58
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welshbyteyou know, i think developers of young libraries think "there's no point in writing a man page documenting this library since the API is going to change regularly" but really that's a great reason to ship an up-to-date man page with each release (grumble)07:02
Arbitersigh sob nobody reviews my packages :D07:04
bddebianArbiter: I didn't?07:04
Arbiterbddebian: i meant... me 'new' packages :D07:04
Arbiterkcmpureftpd for example :D07:05
bddebianI'm working on it, I'm working on it :-)07:05
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Arbiterbddebian: thanks :)07:06
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Sp4rKyi've a stange thing in one of my package07:39
Sp4rKythe deb contains normal files (/usr/...) but also contains debian/foo/... files07:40
azeemwhat is the full pathname to the foo files?07:40
Sp4rKyazeem, i've ./debian/eutils/usr/bin/e17genmenu07:42
Sp4rKyand usr/bin/e17genmenu07:42
Sp4rKyfor example07:42
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azeemso "/debian/eutils/usr/bin/e17genmenu" is inside the .deb?07:43
azeemSp4rKy: how did you invoke the .deb building process? pbuilder?07:44
Sp4rKyand /usr/bin/e17genmenu" to07:44
azeemthe latter looks fine07:44
azeemhrm, duno07:44
azeemgotta run now as well07:44
Sp4rKyany idea ?07:47
welshbytebddebian: i'm gonna grab some dinner... might look at those syncs/merges later if you're still around07:49
bddebianwelshbyte: You ROCK man :-)07:50
bddebianwelshbyte: Oh, I'm gonna upload your gnu-smalltalk btw :-)07:50
welshbytebddebian: oh i meant to ask about that... could you check i put my name in all the right places? i put it in debian/changelog but left the maintainer name in debian/control and copyright the same07:51
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bddebianwelshbyte: Will do07:53
welshbytebddebian: thanks, btw :)07:53
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bddebianwelshbyte: No, THANK YOU!07:55
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bddebianwelshbyte: Uploaded07:59
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bddebianHeya carthik08:08
carthikhi bddebian08:08
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bddebianArbiter: Still around?08:12
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Arbiterbddebian: here I am08:14
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Arbiterbut i have to go shortly08:14
imbrandonsiretart: ping08:17
Arbiterbddebian: i have to go...08:19
Arbitersee you later08:19
imbrandonany revu admins alove ?08:20
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aigariuswho should I talk to about a sync request for sbackup (sid->edgy)? also people want a backport to dapper-updates.09:02
crimsundapper-updates isn't for backports09:03
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aigariuswell, there is n need to change anything09:04
aigariusin the code I mean09:04
crimsunfile a bug using Malone against sbackup, then subscribe ubuntu-archive09:04
crimsun(for the sync from Sid)09:04
aigariusis there an automatic sync for universe packages? how long does that take?09:05
bddebianIf you are sure it works and there are no Ubuntu changes09:05
crimsunno, it's no longer automatic. That stopped as of UVF.09:06
crimsunmain's UVF, that is09:06
aigariusah, I missed the UVF announcement09:06
tsengit was some time ago09:06
tsengedgy is a very short cycle09:06
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Sp4rKyi've always my strange issue with one apckage09:08
Sp4rKyi've all files in /usr/* and in /debian/foo/usr/*09:08
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AnAntI want to compile elinks against python09:09
AnAntand I put python-dev in Build depends09:09
AnAntbut yet it cannot detect libpython.so, because python2.4-dev puts libpython2.4.so without any libpython.so link09:10
AnAntany solution for this ?09:10
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trappistwhat to do when I change about 30 lines in a source pkg and do debuild -S and the debdiff is 30k lines long09:16
crimsuntrappist: use filterdiff(1)09:16
trappistit shouldn't do that, right?09:16
bddebianAnAnt: What is trying to detect it, configure?  And if so, how?09:16
trappistcrimsun: thanks09:16
crimsunAnAnt: fix elinks's configure.ac if it uses one.09:16
AnAntbddebian: yes configure09:16
AnAntbddebian: well, configure script has this -lpython09:17
crimsunand that's broken, so fix the configure script.09:17
AnAntthre is configure.in09:17
AnAntwhy is it broken ?09:17
crimsunbecause there is no such libpython.a09:18
crimsuntherefore -lpython will fail utterly09:18
AnAntis there a reason for not having a symbolic libpython.so pointing at the installed python library ?09:20
bddebianAnAnt: What if I have python2.3 and python2.409:20
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crimsunsee the new python-gobject? That's you!09:22
trappistcrimsun: filterdiff isn't going to solve this problem.  debuild -S did a LOT of unexpected work.  unless you have another suggestion, I'm just going to diff my changes against a pristine source package09:22
bddebiancrimsun: ??  He didn't fix dsextras.py afaik09:23
crimsuntrappist: why wouldn't filterdiff work?09:23
crimsuntrappist: pipe debdiff through filterdiff -i09:23
crimsunor -x if you want to use the opposite09:24
trappistcrimsun: I can eliminate unwanted files, but that only solves about 20% of the problem.  for the rest, I'd need to know what lines to include or exclude, and I don't have a way to do that for the 30 or so patched files without way more work than I'm interested in doing09:24
crimsunI presumed you were using sane, pristine source, but ok.09:25
trappistI was09:25
trappistI did apt-get source, changed one line apiece in about 30 files, and got a 30k-line debdiff09:26
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trappistit's never happened to me before09:26
crimsunlooks like something's being (re)generated in the clean target09:27
crimsun30k is quite excessive, though09:27
crimsunhow are you generating the debdiff?09:27
trappistI say debuild -S, cd .., debdiff *.dsc09:28
crimsunwhat does debian/rules::clean have?09:29
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AnAntanyone knows what is that "sysconfig" in python ? is it some sort of class ?09:29
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trappistcrimsun: dh_testdir, make clean and distclean, rm -rf build, and dh_clean debian/lotsofstuff09:30
crimsunI wonder if upstream's make *clean is doing something nasty.09:31
trappistcrimsun: I can see when I run debuild -S that a ./configure is being run09:31
crimsunperhaps timestamp skew?09:31
crimsunouch, yeah, timestamp skew09:31
trappistcrimsun: the package is apt09:31
crimsunthe _source_ is apt?09:32
crimsunping mvo, then09:32
trappistok, thanks - so it's true, it shouldn't be doing this09:32
crimsunapt may have its own bag of beans, in which case mvo would probably know why09:33
AnAntI was once told that there is a python policy09:33
AnAntanyone knows the URL for it ?09:33
crimsunbddebian: is the ftbfs reproducible with 2.11.3-0ubuntu1?09:38
bddebiancrimsun: I haven't tried it yet because the source wasn't on packages.ubuntu.com09:38
crimsunit has to be, since ... Setting up python-gobject (2.11.3-0ubuntu1) ...09:38
crimsuni386, btw.09:39
AnAntthe standards version should be 3.7.2, right ?09:41
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welshbytebddebian: so, what needs doing to ipac-ng?09:42
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bddebianwelshbyte: Need to pull the latest from Debian and see what Ubuntu changes (if any) need to be merged package into it09:45
bddebiancrimsun: Oh, hmm09:45
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bddebianDamn, I think there almost as many specs as there are bugs09:45
gnomefreakok what am i missing :( why can some people get nvidia to work and i cant09:46
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gnomefreakis there a differnt package that edgy needs that dapper didnt?09:47
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crimsunmore details and fewer vague handwaving, please09:48
bddebian /O\09:53
AnAntok, it worked !09:54
AnAntwhy does one have to upload the orig tarball ?09:57
AnAntif it already was uploaded before in REVU ?09:57
gnomefreakok i got an mx4000 nvidia card and nvidia-glx installed and ran through the process 4 times and each time i choose nvidia as driver it doesnt start mainly i get the abi mismatch error09:57
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crimsunafaik that "error" is just a warning10:01
gnomefreakwonders if i was missing libglitz-glx110:01
gnomefreaki thought it said [EE]  but i will check next time around after i install libglitz-glx1 and try10:02
nixternalcrimsun: return: 206: Illegal number: -110:03
nixternal^^ flashplugin-nonfree10:03
bddebiancrimsun: diacanvas still doesn't build.  seb128 told me that dsextras.py was unsupported :-(10:03
AnAntwhy des one have to upload the orig tarball if it already was uploaded before in REVU ?10:04
AnAntanyways, I'm on a dialup, and can't reupload the 3MB elinks orig tarball10:07
AnAntso I uploaded the diff, dsc & changes file only10:08
AnAntI hope that's ok10:08
crimsunno, since -sa requires the orig.tar.gz, too.10:08
AnAntcrimsun: I did -sd10:09
AnAntfrom dpkg-buildpackage manpage: -sa forces the inclusion of the original  source;  -sd  forces  its  exclusion  and includes only the diff.10:10
crimsunyes, but you _cannot_ use -sd10:12
AnAntyes, I just found that out !10:12
AnAntthe orig tarball previously uploaded is gone !10:12
AnAntit will take ages to upload a 3MB tarball10:13
crimsunit takes me about 30 mins10:13
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Sp4rKynobody could help me with my debian/ in .deb10:19
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cr3how can I recommend a package for sponsoring?10:28
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gnomefreakdo we package nvidia-glx or does nvidia send it already packaged?10:44
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gnomefreaknvm wrong package anyway :(10:45
bddebiancr3: What do you mean by sponsoring?10:59
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bddebianHeya LaserJock11:02
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welshbytehow can i re-check a man page after lintian told me there was an error in it?11:05
welshbytedon't really want to build the package again11:05
bddebianUnfortunately you can't as far as lintian is concerned.  At least afaik11:06
ryanakcawelshbyte: what... you want to look at the man page? man ./appname.number11:24
bddebianLater folks11:25
welshbyteryanakca: no, i wanted to get the warnings and errors about man pages that lintian gives without having to run lintian11:25
welshbyteand i've just figured out how to do it :)11:25
ryanakcaooh... how?11:26
ryanakcathis might save me some time down the read11:26
welshbyteman -lT <manpage> | grep warning11:26
ryanakcawelshbyte: nice.. what are you packaging? kde or gnome or cli?11:26
welshbytei'm just having a look at some merges at the moment11:27
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AnAntlionelp: ok, I added elinks-full package to elinks source package, please have a look at it11:29
welshbyteman -lT manpage > /dev/null might be better11:30
lionelpAnAnt: I will11:30
AnAntlionelp: thanks11:30
lionelpthe problem is that it should go in main11:30
AnAntlionelp: elinks-full too ?11:30
lionelpand it is not doable by a MOTU :)11:30
lionelp(the source at least)11:30
AnAntlionelp: well, it did contain an elinks-lite since dapper11:31
AnAntlionelp: and they used to put the elinks-lite in universe it seems11:31
lionelpbinary yes11:31
lionelpnot source11:31
AnAntlionelp: that's according to aptitude "Section: universe/web"11:31
AnAntyes, so what ?11:32
AnAntI think just as they handled elinks-lite they will handle elinks-full11:32
AnAntthe only feature I couldn't compile is FSP support11:33
AnAntbecause it needs a package that doesn't exist11:33
lionelpnote that elinks-lite is not Ubuntu specific11:34
lionelpit comes from Debian11:34
AnAntlionelp: are you sure ? I don't think I saw it in Debian11:34
lionelpI have juste checked11:35
AnAntoh yes, indeed11:35
AnAntwell, ok11:36
AnAntbtw, do you mean the REVU is not for main packages ?11:37
lionelpAnAnt: yes11:37
AnAntwhat should I do then ?11:38
lionelphum... not sure of what you have to do11:39
lionelpmaybe sending a mail to ubuntu-motu will be a first step and you will have more point of view11:39
AnAntREVU is not for multiverse either, right ?11:40
lionelpit can be for multiverse11:40
AnAntthen why the acroread package was removed ?11:40
lionelpIt was not removed11:42
lionelpit was archived11:42
AnAntoh, what does that mean ?11:42
lionelpArchied upload are packages that are not under work11:42
lionelp(for different reasons: uploaded, no answer from the uploader)11:43
AnAntso what should I do about that ?11:43
lionelphttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2542 -> you will have the reason why it has been archived11:43
CarlFKcan someone review https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb - I am about to use to to update mplayer - rather tweak before the run through11:44
AnAntbut debian doesn't have acroread , or does it call it another name11:44
micahcowanapt-cache search acroread shows it for me11:45
AnAntmicahcowan: in debian ?11:45
AnAntmicahcowan: what's the package called ?11:45
micahcowanNo, I'm running Ubuntu 6.06.11:46
lionelpAnAnt: it is said "Debian Multimedia" not "Debian" :)11:47
AnAntI didnt know that there is a difference11:47
micahcowanwhere would you look for that, instead of in packages.debian.org?11:47
lionelpIt is another repository (not official) : http://www.debian-multimedia.org/11:47
AnAntok, back to elinks, you said I should send an email, what's the email address, and what should I say there ?11:48
AnAntand what can they do ? as you mentioned that MOTUs  can't upload to main.11:48
LaserJockA MOTU can certainly review packages, etc.11:50
lionelpLaserJock: did you follow the discusion?11:52
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LaserJocknot a whole lot :-)11:53
AnAntlionelp: ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com ?11:53
lionelpOk, quickly : AnAnt uploaded a modified version of the elinks package on REVU (with other options)11:53
lionelpAnAnt: yes11:53
AnAntlionelp: can a launchpad member send to it ?11:53
lionelpelinks is in main (the source and the package) and the source also generate a elinks-lite in universe11:54
lionelpI do not realy know what we should do with this11:54
LaserJockping a core-dev11:55
lionelpeasy situation, isn't it ? :)11:55
LaserJockI'd ask mdz or somebody like that11:55
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lionelpAnAnt: try to ping someone on #ubuntu-devel11:56
AnAntthere are many there11:56
crimsunwhat's the issue?11:57
lionelpcrimsun: : AnAnt uploaded a modified version of the elinks package on REVU (with other options)11:57
lionelpelinks is in main (the source and the package) and the source also generate a elinks-lite in universe11:57
crimsunyes, but what's the issue?11:58
crimsunas long as the work is done against 0.11.1, it's fine11:58
crimsunshould be fairly trivial to merge the work into 0.11.1-1ubuntu2 and upload11:58
lionelppackages on REVU and most of reviewer are MOTU11:59
lionelpif you think this can go in main, this is fine11:59
lionelpthat is the question11:59
crimsunwe'll look later11:59
crimsunare the changes against the current edgy/main source?11:59
AnAntcrimsun: yup12:00
crimsunthen a few of the more experienced MOTU should look12:00
AnAntso should I send an email to ubuntu-motu mailing list or not ?12:00
crimsunabout reviewing it?12:01
AnAnterr, dunno12:01
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crimsunI personally wouldn't send an e-mail, but if you think it will help, sure, go ahead12:01
AnAntk, I sent email12:02
lionelpAnAnt: you can add a comment to your upload on REVU that will send an e-mail to motu-reviewer ML12:03
AnAntlionelp: cannot add comment, recover page is not working12:03
AnAntbtw, what is ML ?12:03
lionelpmotu-reviewers (at) tauware (dot) de12:04
AnAntoh mailing list12:04
lionelpah, sorry, I did not catch you question12:04
lionelpyes, you understand it well:)12:05
AnAntcrimsun: so generally if I do changes to a main package I can send it to REVU ?12:05
crimsunAnAnt: sure, but realise that you'd be addressing an even smaller group of people who can (and have resources) to review, approve, and upload12:06
crimsungiven the backlog on universe packages, don't be surprised if nothing ever happens for main ones12:07
AnAntwell, it's way past midnight, gotta go sleep12:07
AnAntcrimsun: oh , ok12:07
gnomefreakcrimsun: let me know when you get a min i have error i dont understand12:09

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