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LaserJockI can set menus!03:32
LaserJockhmmm, but I can only give it one menu at a time03:41
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LaserJockwell, I can manually create dynamic menus :-)04:09
mhzLaserJock: really?04:15
LaserJockwell, I set up a couple .menus04:16
mhzoh, i see04:16
LaserJockthen I create a file per user that merges the ones I want04:16
mhzso, teacher decides which .menu to use?04:16
mhzor load for students?04:16
LaserJockthe teacher will use /etc/groups04:16
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LaserJockThen I use a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ to set XDG_CONFIG_DIR by user04:17
LaserJockI just need to work on all the automation04:17
mhzget it now04:17
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mhzLaserJock: but.... IIRC, you dont encourage the use of command line interfaces :D04:18
LaserJockso when a student logs in the XDG_CONFIG_DIR is set to /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/<user>04:18
LaserJockwhich contains a .menu file that merges the .menu files from the groups that they belong to04:19
mhzLaserJock: I like the idea04:19
LaserJockso all the teacher should need to do is add the student to the chemistry group04:19
LaserJockand then perhaps run an "update menus" script that produces all the user .menu files04:19
LaserJockand then it should just work04:19
LaserJockthe problem is that you can only set .menu per user04:20
LaserJockso I need to do the merging in that one .menu04:20
LaserJockI had wanted to do it by just giving XDG_CONFIG_DIR multiple dirs04:21
LaserJockbut it just picks the first applications.menu it finds :/04:21
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LaserJockhi Yagisan 04:22
mhzYagisan: unfortunately, i am on my way off now :(04:22
Yagisanoh. no matter, I'll catch up with you later then mhz 04:23
mhzYagisan: best regards and whishes to you and your family04:23
mhzbye all04:23
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RichEd!seen mhz08:44
ubotuI last saw mhz (n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz) 4h 21m 4s ago, quiting: "Leaving"08:44
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RichEdgreetz jsgotangco : how are you in mind & body today ?09:20
jsgotangcopretty boring day09:20
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jsgotangcoheh not doing much all day lately09:21
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RichEdhi will11:09
willvdlhi RichEd11:10
RichEdwillvdl:  you beat me to it :)11:10
RichEdhi 11:10
willvdluploaded some stuff on homepage at canonical wiki11:10
RichEdthanks ... will check now ...11:11
willvdlmainly marketing stuff11:15
willvdlhmmm, lost yesterdays mail when my new PC broke down11:16
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willvdlwhat time am I meeting with you again today?11:16
RichEdping willvdl : msg window ...11:16
willvdlusing 3g card so have to be in windows currently...no /msg11:17
RichEdHP chap : Clive's new IT head 12:00-12:30 general intro with me 11:18
RichEdClive's new IT head 12:30-1:00 NEPAD eschools with me & you11:18
RichEdyou & me for another hour after that11:18
willvdlgot it. thanks. see in about an hour11:18
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DanielCHello. Some times my clients boot into a graphical login, and some times into a tty. I haven't managed to find a clear pattern.11:53
DanielCIt's not something consistent. The same machine will do one or the other at seemingly random times.11:54
DanielCI doubt that it's a driver problem, since you can press Ctrl+Alt+F7 and get the GUI.11:54
DanielCBut that is something that would freak out many elementary school teachers.11:55
cbx33what is LAMS all about12:04
magnonawww this is so cute12:15
magnonI just heard from the IT lead on a school I worked with who had a little kid come and tell him about how he asked his mom if her computer could run ubuntu, and she didn't understand what it was, and he was so sad because he couldn't have it12:15
magnon/W 212:16
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cbx33magnon: that's a shame12:21
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magnonbut still very cute :)12:32
DanielCmagnon: Give him an Ubuntu LiveCD.12:33
DanielCmagnon: His mom can manage that.12:33
DanielCSeriously, schools that have Ubuntu installed should have a stack of CDs to give out.12:34
DanielCmagnon: Is giving him a LiveCD an option?12:42
DanielCYou'll get a family to hear about Ubuntu and they'll tell their friends.12:42
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acersaleshi i am typing a 'clear' command on the console and gettting the error 'terminal is not a console'12:57
DanielCthat's weird.12:58
acersalesi know but any way to reset reconfigure something ? 12:58
DanielCsorry, no idea.12:58
acersalesok 12:59
acersalesany idea guyz ? 01:04
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gnomefreakacersales: what terminal are you using?01:05
acersalesgnome terminal01:05
acersalesu mean the kernel ? 01:07
gnomefreakno the version of gnome-term01:07
acersaleshow to check ? 01:07
gnomefreakapt-cache policy gnome-terminal01:08
gnomefreakor help>about01:08
acersalesyes it is 2.14.201:08
gnomefreakk hold ona  sec i have someone running it for me01:09
acersalesdo you think it will help to reconfigure ? 01:10
acersalesif i do it as root it works ? 01:11
acersaleswhat can be the problem / 01:11
gnomefreakyou can try01:11
acersalesok thanks01:11
gnomefreakacersales: try reinstalling it by running sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-terminal01:12
acersalesok 01:12
gnomefreakacersales: can you run echo TERM in terminal01:13
acersalesnow i am reinstalling it 01:13
gnomefreakSeveas: oh hell your in here01:13
Seveasgnomefreak, ?01:13
gnomefreaklooks like it should be echo $TERM01:14
gnomefreakSeveas: acersales is having the issue01:14
gnomefreaki just left dapper to hopfully fix my nvidia issues01:14
Seveasacersales, dpkg -l gnome-terminal | cat01:14
acersalesyah then ? 01:15
acersalesthat reinstall doesnt work gnomefreak 01:15
Seveasacersales, what's the output of the command I gave?01:16
gnomefreakacersales: run the command Seveas gave you01:16
acersalesshould i paste it here ? 01:16
acersales| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed01:17
acersales|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)01:17
acersales||/ Name           Version         Description01:17
acersalesii  gnome-terminal 2.14.2-0ubuntu1 The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application01:17
acersalesit is working fine with the root user 01:17
gnomefreakacersales: su or sudo?01:17
acersalesonly 'clear' command does work with normal user01:17
acersalesworks fine01:17
Seveasacersales, eh? You just said it didn't work...01:18
acersaleswith the user doesnt work 01:19
acersaleswith the root it works01:19
acersaleswhen i do su 01:19
Seveas<acersales> only 'clear' command does work with normal user01:19
acersalesgoes in as root01:19
acersalest work01:19
acersalesyes you are right01:19
Seveasthn what doesn't work?!?01:19
acersalesonly clear command is the problem01:19
Seveasok, you alternate between saying it doesn't work and it does work... make up your mind and be clear about what fails please...01:20
acersalesok i type again 01:20
acersalesonly from my user side i cannot use command 'clear' it gives the error 'terminal is not the console'01:21
acersalesfrom root i can use this command normaly01:21
Seveasis clear aliased to clear_console perhaps?01:21
acersalesi did again and still the same error01:23
Seveaswhy have you aliased clear to clear_console?01:24
Seveasyou shouldn't do that01:24
acersalesaliased means creal symbolic link ? 01:24
Seveasclear_console indeed behaves like this (and it should)01:24
acersalesaliased means create symbolic link ? 01:25
Seveasacersales: what's the output of this command: which clear 01:25
acersales terminal is not a console01:25
Seveasacersales: what's the output of this command: which clear 01:25
acersalesno output i deleted clear command now from the /usr/bin01:26
acersalesbecause just now i messed with clear and clear_console :(01:26
acersalesanyway to bring it back ? 01:27
Seveassigh, I give up on this...01:27
acersalesthanks no problem 01:28
acersales>:D< i will try to bring it back :01:28
acersalestakecare bye01:28
Yagisananyone here set up a fresh dapper install with apt-cacher ?01:31
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DanielCCan anyone imagine why a client might boot into the GUI some times and other times go to a tty?01:38
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YagisanDanielC, no, but when it does ctrl+f7 shows the GUI01:39
DanielCyes, it does.01:39
YagisanDanielC, it annoys me too, as it happens at random :(01:40
DanielCI just fear that this would give a very bad impression.01:40
DanielCOk, so it happens to you too...01:40
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YagisanDanielC, it's been happening since breezy. I counldn't narrow down the cause, and I don't think ogra did either01:41
YagisanDanielC, but I've not tried edgy yet so it may well be fixed01:41
DanielCWell, if we don't know the cause, I wouldn't expect it fixed :)01:42
DanielCWell, thanks for the help!01:42
DanielCAt least I know not to waste a lot of time on this.01:43
Yagisannp DanielC 01:45
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ogracbx33, whats up with SCP ? i just merged your changes ... there is no startup script in the dbus dir and it seems the conf file isnt installed either ....02:12
ogra(its kinda odd, mark just wanted to look at it ...)02:13
ograalso what are scp-server, scp-client and non-root-scp-client ?02:13
cbx33ok hang on02:14
cbx33i'll fix up 02:14
cbx33gimme 10 mins02:14
cbx33ogra, ~I forgot to copy the ACL to my bzr repo02:15
cbx33I'll do that now02:15
ogratake your time ... he's gone to the next project now (time is very short here due to the X desaster)02:15
cbx33sorry dude02:15
cbx33I thought you'd have one for some reason02:15
ogradont worry ... i'll try to catch him later again and revert to my versin for now so he can at least see how it looks like :)02:16
ogracopying the acl wont help, the dbus files are not in place02:16
cbx33which dbus files?02:16
ograthe service must be started ...02:17
cbx33oh restarted you mean02:17
ograto listen  on the system bus 02:17
ograno 02:17
ogranot restarted 02:17
ograthe service must be installed in /etc/dbus-1/event.d02:17
ograand i dont see the code in the student-control-panel binary thats using it ... but i might not look close enugh02:18
cbx33ogra, I did n't add a file to event.d02:19
cbx33there is one for hal02:19
ograhal ???02:19
cbx33but it worked without02:19
cbx33ok my bzr repo now has the student-control.conf file to be palced in the system.d folder in dbus02:20
cbx33then you just need to run non-root-scp-client on the listenting machine02:20
ograto make a namespace properly available to dbus it needs to be in the event.d directory with a sequence number in the name02:20
cbx33ok that wasn't present in the tutorial I read02:20
cbx33but I will create one of those02:21
cbx33but, it does "work" so you can see it in action02:21
ograthats why i said to look at willowng and just copy it from there02:21
ograits doing the right thing02:21
cbx33I did, but at the time I didn;t understand willowng02:21
cbx33so I got it from the dbus homepage02:21
cbx33I will go back and do that...my apologies02:22
cbx33scp-server and scp-client can be ignored.....they are now removed from the repo02:22
ograyou only need a /etc/dbus-1/event.d/60StudentControlPanel and add the management code (that sends the messages to the student-control-panel binary )02:22
cbx33I'll cerate one now02:23
cbx33gimme like 10 mins02:24
cbx33thoguht I shoudl be done in 502:24
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cbx33ogra, I'm confused02:27
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cbx33this event.d file02:27
cbx33is fine if there is a central service/server 02:27
cbx33like willowng02:27
cbx33but we don't have one02:27
ograwe should have one 02:27
cbx33we have SCP02:27
cbx33and the listeners02:28
ograjust copy whats done in willowng02:28
ogratreat the student-control-panel binary like willowng-config02:28
ogras/listeners/listener/, right ?02:29
cbx33well a listener for each user02:29
cbx33who is logged in02:29
ograright ...02:29
ograstarted by Xsession.d02:29
cbx33ogra, do you remember when we had our discussion a while ago and I said there was SCP, a server part, and a listener02:29
cbx33and you said we don't have a server part02:29
ograno server part02:29
cbx33so I scrapped it02:29
ograexactly 02:29
cbx33so what is it that the dbus init is meant to start02:30
ograyou need a service on dbus indeed so dbus is aware of the namespace and the ACL can apply02:30
ograthats the part that gets started from event.d02:30
cbx33I havn't written one of those02:30
cbx33the service02:30
cbx33but the ACL's still work fine02:30
ograthe ACL and definition is in the .conf file in system.d02:30
cbx33what would this service do02:31
ogralike willowng does it02:31
cbx33ogra, yes it is02:31
cbx33I have done that too02:31
cbx33but....I'm sorry for being thick here, I can;t see what the "service" actually does02:31
ograwell, how would the ACL work if you dont apply it to dbus via a service you install in event.d ?02:31
cbx33;) I dunno but it works02:31
cbx33the name space is setup02:31
ograbut not corryctly02:32
cbx33there are more conf files in the system.d but they don;t have event.d files either02:32
ograjust copy willowng02:32
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Cadethas anyone got a copy of the ubuntu font ?02:33
cbx33ogra, gnome-power-manager, bluez, and notification-daemon all have ACL's02:33
cbx33in system.d02:33
cbx33but do not have service files in event.d02:33
cbx33only hal does02:33
ogra/etc/dbus-1/system.d/student-control-panel.conf <- ACL02:33
cbx33are you saying they are wrong?02:33
ogra/etc/dbus-1/event.d/60StudentControlPanel <- namespace listener for dbus02:33
ogra.../XSession.d/XY-SCP <- client 02:34
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ograand code in SCP itself that sends the messages02:34
ograthats the structure we need02:34
cbx33I totally see all of that02:34
cbx33I understand what yo uare saying02:34
ograthats good :)02:35
cbx33but what does that namespace listener do? - I has no function02:35
ograhow else would you make dbus use the acl ? 02:35
ograyou need something that has root permissions in the backend 02:36
cbx33ogra, would you do me a favour and try it?02:36
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ograelse SCP wouldnt be able to exec anything  02:37
ograoh, no ... wait02:37
ograwe dont ...02:37
cbx33the listener does02:37
ograthe client executes it itself ...02:37
ograsorry, i'm confusing myself here ... we all had a short night ...02:37
cbx33sorry ogra, I wasn't clear02:37
cbx33I'm not that great at explaining what I mean sometimes02:38
ograno, i was confused :)02:38
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ograwe dont need the event.d stuff ...02:38
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cbx33ok guys03:16
cbx33oo-bun-to or You-bun-to03:16
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cbx33hi JanisLee 03:18
cbx33jsgotangco, 03:18
ogra_ubuntu :)03:18
cbx33ogra_, very funny03:18
cbx33ogra_, did it work now?03:18
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cbx33ogra, did you get my mail ?04:07
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StephenLI'm trying to get Xorg to accept remote connections.  No matter what I try, -nolisten tcp gets set somewhere.04:52
StephenLWhat do I need to change to disable that option?04:52
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ograa) you shouldnt do that, its horribly unsafe (you can take screenshots from sniffed traffic, and read passwords in plain text)04:53
ograb) you *can* eable xdmcp support in gdm04:54
ograjust use gdmsetup for that ... but note that our ltsp implementation doesnt support it for security reasons04:54
StephenLso how can I get thin clients to connect if it isn't listening04:55
ograubuntu ltsp uses ssh04:55
ogradid you follow the gettingstarted guide from the channel topic04:55
ograwho broke that 04:55
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
ogra(the last link)04:56
ograhey bddebian 04:56
bddebianHi ogra04:56
StephenLogra: yes, I have read that but I'm not doing a network or pxe boot.04:57
ograwell, ldm (our login manager) wont wor on normal systems ...04:59
StephenLI'm trying to connect with a neoware thin client.  It supports xdm.05:00
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StephenLDo you know what I need to enable without using dgmsetup.  I'm ssh'd to server so dgmsetup won't work.05:01
ograand there is no way to netboot with that ? 05:01
StephenLyes, there is but I can't throw another dhcp server in here. I would have to run it on an alternate port and that's a pita.05:02
ograthere is a section in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom for xdmcp05:02
ograbelow 05:02
StephenLI added that to the [xdmcp]  sectioin05:03
StephenLIt still starts X with --nolisten tcp05:03
ograthat should suffice ... did you restart gdm ? 05:03
StephenLyes and even rebooted05:03
ogra --nolisten tcp shouldnt have any influence on xdmcp ...05:04
ograthats only for stuff like xhost05:04
StephenLhmmm, still won't connect.05:05
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StephenLI work for a school district and we are going to test replacing windows boxes in labs with these thin clients booting to edubuntu.05:10
StephenLThe problem is I can't change the dhcp servers.05:11
ogracan yu make up a separate network ? 05:11
ograso the server has two interfaces, one is a client ot the existing dhcp and the other one serves the thin clients on a physically parted net ? 05:12
StephenLYes, that's a possibility.  But I would need a dhcp server in each lab.  Doing it like this I can have I server and have the clients connect to it from wherever.  I can configure these thin clients to connect automatically on startup to the server  so they don't have to network boot.05:13
ograo way to get them netbooting at all ? 05:14
StephenLNo, not really.05:14
cbx33ogra, SCP ok now?05:15
ograbzr pull doesnt revela anything new05:17
cbx33are you puling from LP05:17
ograah, right, that doesnt mirror that often05:18
ograso lets see how the package looks now05:20
StephenLIs there a logfile that I can look at to see why the client can't connect?05:20
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cbx33I havn't done the pacakge yet05:21
ograah, then it cant work indeed05:22
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DrkLrdRichEd, ping05:22
RichEdhi DrkLrd ...05:22
RichEdhi others : cbx33 ogra 05:22
DrkLrdRichEd, yes yes finally i gave the presentation and they LOVED it!!!05:22
cbx33hi RichEd 05:22
DrkLrdthey agreed to have it on a few PC;s05:22
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DrkLrdthanks RichEd 05:23
DrkLrdnow i go to a regional level expo05:23
DrkLrdand there i get a Projector too05:23
RichEdthree cheers ... hip hip horay !05:23
ogracbx33, whats self.smess ? 05:24
ograit chokes on that05:24
cbx33:S was fine when I ran it05:25
cbx33lemme check05:25
RichEdcbx33: Will has started the planning for brochures ... it's on a Canonical wiki page ... i'll mail you it in HTML05:25
ogracbx33, ah, right you redid tha glade file05:26
cbx33well, I had to add the message05:26
cbx33it may be that I add that as a plugin05:26
cbx33to test the framework and provide an example05:26
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ogranoisy errors on the console05:27
RichEdcbx33: sent ...05:29
ograplease use # for comments in the future ... ctrl+v in vi is handy here ... so i can easier see where you commented out stuff05:29
cbx33ok sorry ogra 05:29
cbx33ogra, oh?05:29
cbx33whiat erroes05:30
ograwell, john and pete arent logged in ;)05:32
ograso its hard to get their processlist 05:32
ograwe need better errorhandling here 05:32
ograif i enable the userlist stuff its fine05:32
cbx33as I said that was my testing05:33
ograa message pops up :)05:33
DrkLrdnow it time for some serious contribution05:34
DrkLrdbugs bugs where are those darn bugs05:34
cbx33ogra, are yo ua happy chap?05:34
jsgotangcolet's try xorg bugs ;)05:34
ogracbx33, totally !05:34
cbx33I was thinking for teachers, it may be nice to scrap the command line interface, or have it as an advanced option, and to have icons to start apps on the clients machine05:34
ogracbx33, i want the dialog you get with alt-f205:35
ograso they can just select from a list ...05:35
DrkLrdjsgotangco, those are some intelligent bugs they run so fast05:35
cbx33ok I'm sure we can lift that05:35
ograbut its a beautiful proof of concept already05:36
jsgotangcoscp? yeah it seems to have effectively replaced ogra05:36
DrkLrdjsgotangco, i got a spray here what u got with u?05:36
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ograand the dialogs you use should really react on "enter" :)05:36
jsgotangcoDrkLrd: its been weeks since i last triaged xserver-xorg bugs, but september will be pretty much free for me ;)05:37
DrkLrdhmm thats a dynamite ready05:37
ogracbx33, we should drop the status column from the proclist05:38
ograits useless05:38
jsgotangcoDrkLrd: but triaging bugs for edubuntu means having it fixed for ubuntu as well, or the other way around05:38
ograand i'll look into adding icons for apps that have .desktop files05:38
cbx33you like the auto updating list?05:38
DrkLrdjsgotangco, true05:38
ograyup :)05:39
cbx33so....looking at that, what do you want me to work on next?05:39
cbx33has Mark seen it yet?05:39
ograalso some procs shouldnt be listed ... we nee an exclusion list  of things like x-session-manager05:39
cbx33ogra, yes I thought that too05:39
cbx33ogra, did I do ok?05:41
ogratotally, thanks a lot 05:42
ograif we get that a bit more in shape, even if it doesnt make the deadline, we'll suggest it for classroom management 05:43
ograthe ui needs some small changes ...05:44
cbx33ogra, well, as I said what do you want me to work on now?05:44
ograand we need better eror handling ...05:44
cbx33of course05:44
cbx33but in my exp that always comes later :p05:44
ograand indeed it needs to be packaged properly05:44
cbx33at least it doesn't fall over now if no one is logged in :p05:44
cbx33ogra, but of course05:44
ograyep :)05:44
cbx33I closed the two bugs on LP05:45
ogragreat !05:45
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j^2hey all05:45
cbx33so gimme a lost of what you want me to work on and I'll do it05:46
j^2i have a couple questions about edubuntu05:46
cbx33did my email make sense ogra 05:46
cbx33shoot j^2 05:46
j^2i'm trying to create a locked down network, only access to certian websites and maybe internal messaging, is there a pretty easy way to do it?05:47
j^2with edubuntu, or should i stick with ubuntu?05:47
cbx33ogra, does willowng have a whitelist ?05:47
ograan easy one is only in edgy05:47
ograit has05:47
cbx33j^2, in edgy it'll sooo easy05:47
ograbut its not packaged for dapper (and not 100% finished yet)05:47
j^2no worries, i just need to set it up test as a proff of concept05:48
rkdogra, do you know if willowng's content-filtering should work?05:48
ograrkd, i think the bayesian filter part is still buggy .. but wait for Amaranth, he wrote it and can tell you05:49
rkdi'm trying to write a kde frontend for it, i've got domain-filtering working, but content-based stuff doesn't work, either in my frontend or the included willowng-config05:50
rkdok, sure05:50
j^2also, could i only give access to like only firefox and nothing else?05:51
cbx33ogra, this is something that would be cool for us05:52
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cbx33I was thinking, about this....05:52
cbx33at school we have some security software in windows that watchs for windows with a certain title and closes them, and applicatin processes too05:53
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cbx33could we incorporate into SCP the ability to only allow certain processes to run05:53
cbx33or to block those that we don;t want to run05:53
cbx33like, we don;t want a kid to browse the web, we add it to the list, 05:53
cbx33the listener service then constantly checks for those services and shuts them down05:54
cbx33teachers would kill for that kind of control here05:54
cbx33we don;t use it in our software cos it's crap and doesn't work05:54
sbalneavogra: ping!!!05:57
rkdcbx33: couldn't you do that with linux groups?05:58
cbx33rkd, you mean user groups?05:59
cbx33as in /etc/groups05:59
rkdchgrp web /usr/bin/firefox; chmod 750 /usr/bin/firefox, then add and remove students from the web group05:59
cbx33rkd, nah05:59
cbx33that's too primitive05:59
cbx33we need finegrained control05:59
cbx33it may be you only want to block a certain user from running an app05:59
cbx33a certain student05:59
rkdit'd probably work better than hunting down and killing firefox processes for certain users every so often06:00
rkdcbx33: so remove that user from the web group06:00
cbx33but what if they already have it open06:00
cbx33RichEd, got it06:01
j^2granted i guess i could uninstall the apps from the main boot image righ?06:01
j^2sorry i was AFK for i bit06:01
rkdok, point06:01
j^2i'm at work06:01
rkdbut there are flaws with just killing certain processes; they could work around that with symlinks or something06:02
rkdmaybe a mix of both? groups as a preventative measure, a kill interface as a proactive measure?06:03
cbx33rkd, possible06:03
cbx33killing a process with the right signal shouldn't cause any harm06:03
cbx33but manipulating the groups, hmm....I wouldn't like to do that on a minute by minute basis06:05
rkdit's not really 'minute by minute'06:07
cbx33could be06:07
cbx33kids coming up to a teacher06:07
cbx33I've finished my work, can I go on the internet now06:07
cbx33"yes little jimmy, let me just unlobck you"06:07
rkdif students only needed web access for part of a lesson or something, yeah, i guess06:07
rkdeven so, frequent group modifying isn't that bad; this is the kind of thing the permissions system was made for, after all06:09
cbx33well yeh06:11
cbx33I dunno, personal preference I guess06:11
cbx33I'll see what ogra says06:11
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LaserJockRichEd or rodarvus: you guys seen oliver?06:43
RichEd!seen ogra06:44
ubotuI last saw ogra (n=ogra@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 44m 53s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)06:44
LaserJockdarn, Is he gone for the evening?06:44
RichEdhi mr electric kilt :)06:44
LaserJockhehe, hi Mr. JaneW06:44
RichEdhe's at sprint ... so may be tied up ...06:44
LaserJockare you at the Sprint?06:45
RichEdor lack of connectivity ...06:45
RichEdor out for dinner ...06:45
RichEdNope. Me's sitting in darkest Africa bwana.06:46
LaserJockRichEd: ah, I thought you might be there.06:46
cbx33LaserJock, he was around06:46
cbx33I was talking to him, then he dissapeared06:46
cbx33his net connection has been awful06:46
LaserJock!seen rodarvus 06:46
RichEdcbx33: 44m 53s ago IN FACT + ABOUT 1006:46
uboturodarvus is on IRC right now!06:46
BurgworkLaserJock, that means their interweb died06:47
Burgworknotice that they both quit at the same time?06:47
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Burgworktoo early for dinner06:47
LaserJockI was going to say that I almost got the dynamics specs to a first implementation06:47
Burgworkvery cool06:47
LaserJocks/dynamics specs/dynamic menu spec/06:48
RichEdBurgwork ? rodarvus  is here but inactive connection is still live but idle06:48
cbx33I thought you were shouting at me RichEd 06:48
Burgworkanybody seen amaranth? the version of willowng in the archives it broken06:48
BurgworkRichEd, but the fact they are were both active until the exact same time means their interweb-ish stuff is dead06:48
RichEdtoo far away cbx33 ... shouting wouldn't help from here06:48
cbx33Burgwork, no....I heard that from someone else though06:49
BurgworkI guess the truck stalled06:49
RichEdping LaserJock06:49
rodarvusogra and I were in a meeting with the rest of the ubuntu development team and sabdfl07:00
rodarvusLaserJock, RichEd: (but we are leaving in a minute) any message you would like me to forward to ogra?07:00
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LaserJockrodarvus: can you just tell ogra that I have a very rough dynamic-menus implementation07:03
rodarvussure, I'll tell him07:03
LaserJockI'll probably send you guys an email when I have something usable07:04
LaserJockok, I gotta get to work (the wife is waiting), I'll bbl07:08
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BurgworkRichEd, that made absolutely no sense07:19
rkd"RichEd needs to feed the children...until tomorrow...goodbye"07:22
RichEdI needs to feed my offspring ... Quinn & Griffin ... So I will be off IRC until tomorrow ... Goodbye until then.07:22
rkd(i think)07:22
RichEdrkd : 10 points07:22
cbx33ping pygi got time for that chat07:31
pygicbx33, not really :(07:32
cbx33ogra liked my SCP work :p07:33
pygicbx33, nice07:38
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mhzRichEd: ping07:44
mhzhi all07:44
LaserJockhi mhz 07:45
mhzLaserJock: good results with menus?07:45
cbx33LaserJock, excelletn07:53
cbx33howz it all going07:53
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LaserJockhi VladimirBG 08:10
VladimirBGI'm interested in improving edubuntu, yet I have virtualy no programing experience08:12
VladimirBGI don't know if just suggestions would do08:12
sbalneavSuggestions are always welcome.08:14
mhzVladimirBG: what do you mean by 'improve' ?08:14
VladimirBGwhat would be the most effective way for me to express them?08:14
rkdVladimirBG: or beta testing, or graphic design work, or advocacy work...08:15
sbalneavEnglish? :)08:15
VladimirBGI am advocating it, yet, it's dificult to adept it for use in a school in Serbia without full language support08:16
VladimirBGalso, a few other app and better documentation would go a long way08:16
rkdVladimirBG: so why not help with translation and write documentation?08:17
VladimirBGI'd like to help, what software can I use for translation? 08:17
sbalneavVladimirBG: The stuff that comes already in your head! :)08:18
mhzVladimirBG: most of translations are taken care via Rosetta interface08:18
sbalneavOn any app, click on "help"08:18
mhzat launchpad sitre08:18
sbalneavthen "Translate this application"08:18
VladimirBGone more important thing, testing app needs to be made bulitproof for cheating08:19
VladimirBGin a way that while taking the test one cannot multi-task or access other apps or the internet08:20
BurgworkVladimirBG, the testing app is under development08:21
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pygihighvoltage, poke? :)09:39
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cbx33!seen ogra10:41
ubotuI last saw ogra (n=ogra@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 4h 42m 34s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)10:41
pygicbx33, :)10:42
cbx33hey pygi10:42
pygihey cbx33 10:42
cbx33surely you have time for me now :p10:42
cbx33I'm j/k10:42
pygiI will have time in 5 minutes, as soon as I fix this mess of mine which broke a lot of stuff :)10:43
cbx33oooh nice10:43
cbx33just ping me10:44
cbx33I'm just setting up a Counter Strike Source server for my brother in law10:44
cbx33irssi tells you when it's a new day 10:45
pygicbx33, I'm ready10:46
cbx33wanna take it into pm?10:46
pygicbx33, whatever suits you10:47
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cbx33Hi LaserJock_ 10:52
cbx33I'm baaaaccckkk10:52
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StephenLWhat file can I add startup programs to?11:56
LaserJockYou can do it via graphical tools but I'm not sure what file it goes to11:59
StephenLYeah I know how using the gui, but I'm trying to figure out what file it goes to.11:59
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