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fritschimbrandon: suggests are now correct for me12:26
imbrandonhuh ?12:27
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fritschmmmh, aliens?12:28
fritschimbrandon: i wait till you say what to do (as contracted before)12:29
imbrandonk ;) heh12:29
imbrandoni will be about 1 more hour before i get it all done ( i'm doing a few other things at the same time )12:30
imbrandonsorry if that is too long to wait12:30
fritschimbrandon: when this current upload is finished, can i help there something?12:30
imbrandonhelp with what ?12:31
fritschimbrandon: after the upload, my bed cries heavily12:31
fritschimbrandon: apt-cache madison12:31
imbrandoni'm not sure what you are asking fritsch12:31
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fritschimbrandon: we said, i wait here for testing :-)12:31
imbrandonahh ok , well if you have to leave for bed that is okie , i understand ;)12:32
imbrandonbut if you like to wait thats ok too12:32
imbrandonupto you :) but thank you for your help so far either way12:32
fritschimbrandon: you aren` t currently in Wiesbaden, aren`t you?12:32
imbrandonno i'm not 12:33
imbrandonnot this time12:33
fritschimbrandon: perhaps we had met tomorrow, wanted to go today, but had to do some real life stuff :-(12:34
fritschimbrandon: but if you need a dapper test computer, i can give you ssh onto the "test computer", no prob12:34
imbrandonthats ok i have some other computer that run dapper i can turn on12:35
imbrandonthanks for the offer though12:35
fritschimbrandon: then me goes to bed ... happy fetching updates tomorrow12:35
fritschimbrandon: thx for your work, see you soon12:35
imbrandonsee ya ;) sleep well12:35
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Hawkwindimbrandon: Any luck on u4 yet by any chance ?12:55
imbrandonheh fighting with amarok still bro12:55
imbrandonand konversation12:55
HawkwindOhhh, that's no fun I know12:55
imbrandonactualy its not too bad12:56
imbrandoni think i got it whiped now, its syncing to the server12:56
imbrandonHawkwind: you on dapper or edgy ?12:56
Hawkwindimbrandon: Dapper12:56
imbrandonkde right ?12:56
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Tonio__hey !!01:09
Tonio__got my key now :)01:09
crimsunhoo rah01:09
Tonio__crimsun: I hope you'll never have to perform 400 km with a car to get a gnupg key backup.......01:12
Tonio__not funny at all01:12
crimsunTonio__: worse. I've driven cross-country to revive a dead computer in data centre twice. (about 1800 mi each way)01:13
Tonio__crimsun: indeed, you win :)01:13
crimsunno, we both lost :(01:13
Tonio__crimsun: true :'(01:13
Tonio__crimsun: since you are here, are you still alsa maintainer ?01:14
crimsunI do a lot of alsa work, but I don't know if that makes me an "alsa maintainer" :)01:14
Tonio__okay that should be interesting for you01:14
Tonio__I have a last generation vaio computer, with integrated webcam01:15
Tonio__and alsa fails to make correct usage of the microphone01:15
Tonio__kind of conflict between the camera one and the jack one01:15
crimsundoes alsa recognise the webcam's?01:15
Tonio__for example, when I plug the jack, that doesn't disable the camera one01:16
crimsuni.e., is it listed in /proc/asound/devices as a capture01:16
Tonio__yes it does, but sound level is always maximum and I can't set it01:16
Tonio__so I just get a big freeze01:16
imbrandonTonio__: great ( about the key ) ;P01:16
Tonio__the point the configuration seems to touch the jack port, but the sound is on the camera one, which is unconfigurable01:17
Tonio__crimsun: looking at windows on the same machine, it seems that the jack/camera switch is done by a daemon, so it is pure software   (stupid but that's it)01:18
Tonio__and lots of recent laptops are doing this when they come with cameras01:18
crimsunif that sound chipset is HDA, that's becoming the norm. Yeah.01:18
Tonio__is alsa supposed to eventually support that feature ?01:18
Tonio__well that's stupid to me.... but that's it01:18
Tonio__just make things more complicated01:18
Tonio__well the point is that I can't use the microphone, which doesn't seems very serious in 2006 :)01:19
crimsunjack sense is already supported for other chipsets; it just needs to be tweaked for specific HDA codecs & models01:19
crimsunif you're referring to the "autoreconfigure" bit of some HDA codecs, there's only a little progress in that regard01:20
Tonio__crimsun: can I give you any informations that would be usefull "for the future" ? ^^01:20
Tonio__well audio on linux is really "the" thing that gets me lost ;)01:20
Tonio__I just wondered what informations could I give to help inthe improvement on my laptop support01:21
crimsunTonio__: please file a bug report against linux-source-2.6.x; attach ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer'' for now01:21
DaSkreechraphink: got it dicovered01:21
crimsunx can be both 15 and 17 if it fails in both dapper's and edgy's kernels01:21
DaSkreechIt was fontconfig01:22
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Tonio__crimsun: sure thanks :)01:25
DaSkreechmornfall: Technically what would happen if I made a view for adept for all my installed packages then pressed Ctrl+A and did a reinstall?01:54
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ryanakcaimbrandon: well, I'm off to bed, I'll read your comment about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939 in the morning :)03:29
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imbrandonHobbsee: poke04:28
Hobbseeimbrandon: heya!04:29
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nixternal_schools kool04:30
DaSkreechYou were breathless?04:44
HobbseeDaSkreech: yeah.  found it incredibly hard to concentrate on anything due to light headedness :P04:44
HobbseeRiddell: 05:30
HobbseeThis is OK by me if Jonathan's OK with it; he's said he'd like to give05:30
Hobbseeit a spin first.05:30
Hobbseefor https://launchpad.net/bugs/5744905:30
UbugtuMalone bug 57449 in amarok "Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  05:30
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nixternalHobbsee: python2.4 broken for kubuntu?06:30
Hobbseenixternal: yeah, crimsun broke it06:30
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Hobbseenixternal: borked postinst?06:30
nixternalthe dpkg erro06:31
Hobbseethat doenst help06:31
Hobbseeie, how did dpkg die?06:31
Hobbseedue to broken postinst?06:31
nixternalone sec ;)06:31
Hobbsee(it usually says)06:31
nixternalpost-installation script returned error exit status 106:32
Hobbseecrimsun's working on fixing it06:32
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nixternalroger that..just wanted to make sure it wasn't me ;)06:32
Hobbsee(solitare, etc, from kde games) :P06:32
nixternalfirst night at uni for me tonight...very boring06:32
nixternalwe watched revolution os, a documentary about RMS, Linux, the dude that create apache, and the guys from cygnus06:33
DaSkreechOh sorry thought someone called me06:33
Hobbseeheh.  fun06:33
crimsunHobbsee: I err, no06:36
crimsunI simply exposed the bug that has been sitting there since Debian's -706:36
DaSkreechDebian 7?06:37
crimsundist-upgrades from Dapper->Edgy were bombing before I uploaded.06:37
Hobbseecrimsun: ah right06:37
Hobbseecrimsun: so we cant just blame you at random?  okay then06:37
Hobbsee!find libvisual edgy06:38
ubotuFound: libvisual-0.4-0, libvisual-0.4-dev, libvisual-0.4-plugins06:38
crimsunwell I'm sure _someone_ will harp at me simply because I was the last to upload06:38
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Hobbseecrimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error06:39
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nixternali released that in the new konversation, the up arrow doesn't post your previous lines06:41
Hobbseenixternal: does here06:41
Hobbseenixternal: does here06:41
Hobbseecrimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error06:41
Hobbseecrimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error06:41
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Hobbseeit works06:41
nixternalnot here06:41
DaSkreechEcho echo ec...06:42
nixternalmine doesn't ;(06:42
nixternali wonder why..that is odd06:42
Hobbseenixternal: config file?06:42
nixternalunless the up arrow got tagged for something else06:43
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nixternali have iKs06:51
nixternalHobbsee: i figured out why06:52
Hobbseeyay :)06:52
Hobbseewhat was the problem?06:52
nixternaldon't select "let something expand"..the text box you type in...if you set it to expand with text, the up arrow doesn't work06:52
nixternali will ask sho_06:52
Hobbseehe's asleep06:53
nixternalno time for sleep, we have work to do06:56
nixternalwhen will these people figure that out ;)06:56
crimsunthe workaround for the python2.4-minimal issue is to forcibly purge python-central (dpkg -P --force-depends), then dpkg --configure -a, then reinstall python-central06:58
crimsunthe bug isn't actually in python2.4-minimal, it's in python-central06:59
nixternalthanks crimsun07:02
nixternal/quit restart07:06
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nixternalcrimsun: you rock!07:18
crimsunnot really, still haven't nailed the pycentral boog yet07:18
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fritschimbrandon_: ty for amarok, it is working ... libvisual-0.4-0 gets installed :-)07:53
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insanekanehello Hobbsee10:09
Hobbseehey insanekane 10:09
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seaLnebah debian got k3b 0.12.17 faster due to waiting for uvfe :(10:11
seaLneRiddell: assuming i get UVFE for k3b please don't upload yet10:11
RiddellseaLne: have you requested it?10:12
RiddellseaLne: bug number?10:13
seaLnemdz read the bug i didn't believe i'd included changelog :)10:13
Riddelloh yes, I remember that10:13
seaLneBug #5747510:13
UbugtuMalone bug 57475 in k3b "k3b 0.12.17 Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5747510:13
seaLnethe changelog was so short i didn't see any point not putting it in10:13
HobbseeRiddell: did you see the result of the amarok UVF exception?10:14
seaLne* Remove RPATHs using chrpath to get rid of lintian warnings10:15
seaLne^ anyone know what rpaths are?10:15
seaLnewe don't have any lintian warnings10:15
RiddellHobbsee: yes, I need to test the package10:15
Riddellwhich I'll do now10:15
HobbseeRiddell: cool10:16
Hobbseeyou got imbrandon_'s updated packages?10:16
insanekaneyes, what is rpath ?10:16
seaLne"chrpath  changes,  lists  or  removes the rpath or runpath setting in a binary.  The rpath, or runpath if it is present, is where  the  runtime linker should look for the libraries needed for a program."10:17
RiddellHobbsee: yes10:17
HobbseeRiddell: cool10:17
Riddell16MB.  wow, what do these amarok people have in this10:18
seaLneRiddell: do you know anything abour rpath? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=110:20
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, exactly10:20
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RiddellseaLne: we don't want it debian packages, is all I know10:22
raphinkhi kwwii10:22
kwwiihi raphink10:23
seaLneRiddell: in english is that we don't want ti in the ubuntu packages? :)10:26
RiddellseaLne: correct10:26
Riddellalthough I admit to not really understanding what it's all about10:27
Hobbseehah.  finally, my signal strength says 100 - i'm 2-3 metres away from the access point.10:30
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Riddellhi Arbiter 10:32
ArbiterRiddell: i don't like the purple color so much..10:33
Arbiter(imho of course)10:33
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ArbiterRiddell: if i can give my opinion: i prefer the blue-colored theme10:35
Hobbseei thought my connection was behaving today10:35
Hobbseewhat'd i miss?10:35
ArbiterHobbsee: only my comment about the purple color theme of kubuntu :D10:36
HobbseeArbiter: ah.  which was?10:36
Arbiterthat i prefer the blue color theme :D10:36
Riddellyuriy: what country do you live in?10:36
ArbiterHobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas10:37
Arbiterlast two wallpapers10:37
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Hobbseemind you, i do think that we should use the flower picture10:37
ArbiterHobbsee: the flower picture?10:40
Arbiterwhy not a wallpaper with a small kubuntu logo? :)10:41
fritschArbiter: the flower picture rocks, the whole theme look very cool10:41
kwwiithe logos should not be used in the wallpapers (I was told that from sabdfl)10:41
kwwiiI will be including several of the new wallpapers in the next few weeks10:42
kwwiiI have kdm and the ksplash done, using them as bg as well10:42
kwwiiif anyone is interested in testing the new stuff, i have tar.gz files with the new stuff on my server (not packages, just the pics)10:43
Arbiteri'm interested10:43
Arbiterkwwii: but.. what's your server address? :D10:44
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/edgyWallpaper.tar.gz , kwin-style-crystal_kenPics.tar.gz , kubuntu_edgy_kdm.tar.gz , kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz10:45
Hobbseekwwii: definetly :)10:45
kwwiithe window buttons need to be put into the right dir in the package and then built in order to test them10:45
kwwiibut the rest can simply be copied to the dir in the running system to change10:45
Arbiterwallpaper is cool :)10:49
Hobbseeooh i do love packaging bugs that we fixed for edgy but forgot about for dapper....10:51
HobbseeRiddell: were you planning to put the amarok 1.4.2 repo onto kubuntu.org?10:52
Hobbseeupstream is wanting to know where they can send people for updated debs10:52
kwwiiRiddell is watching a demo atm10:53
Hobbseeyay. upstream is happy that i fixed the install mp3 support on amarok10:56
kwwiiwow, you made the amarok people happy, not always and easy thing10:57
Hobbseekwwii: hehe, true that.10:57
Arbiterkwwii: i like the wallpapers :)10:59
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Tonio_hey everyone11:25
kwwiihowdy Tonio_11:26
Tonio_kwwii: HEY ;)11:26
Hobbseehey Tonio_ 11:27
Tonio_Hobbsee: hi ;)11:27
Tonio_kwwii: I really like the window decoration currently11:27
kwwiiTonio_: cool, good to hear that11:27
Tonio_kwwii: except maybe the gradient11:27
Tonio_kwwii: not that I don't like it, but it goes from white to purple11:28
Tonio_probably white is a "little" bit too clear11:28
Tonio_but I still like it11:28
kwwiiuntil now I have only tested it on my laptop, so it might look different on other machines11:28
Tonio_kwwii: possibly yes11:28
Tonio_the effect is very cool too :)11:29
kwwiiI think that effect still needs some work, really11:29
HobbseeTonio_: ahh...so i wasnt the only one to notice that11:29
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Hobbseeit does look veyr nice though :)11:30
Hobbseekwwii: were you still thinking of using the flower picture?11:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: It is the only thing I'm not a real fan11:30
Tonio_but I globally like the work done :)11:30
HobbseeTonio_: indeed.11:30
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kwwiiHobbsee: not really....it seems to be too complicated for some people11:31
kwwiiI love it though and use it personally on my desktop11:31
Hobbseekwwii: ah okay11:31
Hobbseesame here :P11:31
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Tonio_hum that deadkey bug on qt makes me crazy11:46
Tonio_it makes it impossible to write french correctly11:46
Tonio_I assume the problem is the same for spanish probably since they use accents a lot11:47
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RiddellHobbsee: what dapper amarok packages do we have?12:18
HobbseeRiddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/12:18
HobbseeRiddell: i would assume, those ones12:19
Hobbseeyou' dhave to ask imbrandon_ - he took care of dapper side12:19
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Tonio_Hobbsee: since you are very active on malone, would ou like to contribute ?12:20
HobbseeTonio_: of bugs to fix?12:21
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes12:21
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Tonio_Hobbsee: for example bug 5679412:23
UbugtuMalone bug 56794 in qt-x11-free "Qt breaks dead keys" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5679412:23
Hobbseeprobably anything that's marked as high12:23
Tonio_this one makes kubuntu almost unusable for french, belgium, french canadians, spanish etc........12:23
Hobbseea whole lot in kdelibs/kdebase12:23
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Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, and for example concerning the cd not mounting with sata devices, I'll probably contact erwin from kde12:24
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Tonio_the good point is that danimo from kde is aware of the bug and has it too :)12:24
Tonio_that might help12:24
SimeRiddell: kde-systemsettings is fixed up and ready to be packaged again.12:32
Tonio_Sime: concerning the power management entry ?12:32
Tonio_I though about that this morning :)12:32
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Hobbseebackports are working again :)12:33
Tonio_Sime: I can do the package, but where to grab the source from ? kde svn ?12:33
SimeTonio_: and?12:33
Simekde svn12:33
Tonio_Sime: well there is an desktop file to remove12:33
SimeTonio_: you are talking about the power management icon in k-s-s? 12:34
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Tonio_Sime: unless there is a kcm module in development :)12:34
SimeTonio_: I can easily remove it by editing the menu .xml file from k-s-s.12:34
SimeTonio_: not from me12:34
Tonio_Sime: yes I know but isn't this better to simply remove the entry since we don't use it anomore ?12:34
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Tonio_Sime: maybe you wana keep it for other distros...12:35
SimeTonio_: The icon can beremvoed by removing it from the kdelibs (or kdebase?) package. But that needs to be done "outside" k-s-s.12:36
Simebe removed^12:36
Tonio_Sime: well we don't have it anymore, but it still appears in kss12:37
Tonio_probably because the desktop file is directly in it's source no ?12:37
Tonio_Sime: kde-settings-power.directory12:37
Tonio_this one12:37
SimeTonio_: k-s-s still includes it. I can easily remove it from kss, but it will appear in kcontrol.12:37
Tonio_Sime: nothing in kcontrol currently12:38
Tonio_there is no more entry since klaptopdaemon has been removed12:38
Tonio_only k-s-s has an entry due to that file12:39
Tonio_Sime: the point is if I do the package, I would prefer to have it removed in the tarball than via a rule entry no ?12:39
Tonio_that's probably cleaner12:39
Tonio_and this is why I'm asking you your feeling conkcerning this12:39
Tonio_Sime: hum, which brank on the svn plz ?12:40
SimeOH!, I you mean that the klaptop stuff is already remvoed from the kde packages in edgy?12:40
Tonio_exactly ;)12:40
Simenow I've gotcha.12:40
Tonio_so we get an entry in systemsettings that givecs a nasty error message while clicking on it :)12:41
Simewait a sec as I fix up the menu file.12:41
Tonio_Sime: you prefer to keep the directory file and remove it from xml files ?12:41
Simeit is not a directory file, but a normal desktop file. Maybe the klaptop .exe was removed, but not the .desktop file.12:42
Tonio_Sime: nope it is12:45
Tonio_here is the strange thing ;)12:45
Simeanyway, you are looking for /kde/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings12:45
Simei just commited the fix.12:45
Tonio_Sime: laptoppowermanagement.desktop12:45
Tonio_this file sorry :)12:45
Tonio_has to be removed from the tree probably12:46
Simethat's the one.12:46
Simeit should be in order now.12:46
Tonio_Sime: I'm packaging12:47
Tonio_Sime: what are the changes in svn for changelog ?12:49
Tonio_Sime: usability I assume ?12:50
SimeTonio_: The changes are just a couple of fixes related to 3.5.4 (some .desktop filenames changed), and a fix for the installation (Makefile.am missed a couple of files during install).12:51
Tonio_Sime: okay thanks12:52
Simegotta go, later12:53
Riddellkwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdm.png12:53
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HobbseeRiddell: looks nice :)01:03
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Tonio_Sime: systemsettings/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: AUTO(all-top_systemsettings)01:22
Tonio_did you change that part ?01:22
imbrandonmoins all01:22
Tonio_Sime: I have to go but I'll be there this evening to fix this01:26
imbrandonhrm anyone else haveing problems with python updates today ?01:35
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kwwiivote for KDE01:42
imbrandonmoins kwwii01:43
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kwwiihowdy imbrandon01:43
Hobbseewhich part of the world should i take over today?01:43
imbrandonHobbsee: fix python postinst01:43
kwwiiimbrandon: thanks for the svg...I will start working on that soon01:43
imbrandonahh you welcom kwwii , it was just something i was goofin with, like i said if you dont like it or cant use it no biggie ;)01:43
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Hobbseeimbrandon: crimsun was doing that, i thought01:45
imbrandonahh cool becouse its blockin my other updates ;)01:45
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Hobbseeimbrandon: cant you do the others around it?  like, try sudo dpkg --configure -a ?01:50
imbrandonnope for some reason it isnt getting past that one01:50
Hobbseeimbrandon: i think there was a work around of it too?  dont really remember01:50
imbrandonand theres no way to remove that without removeing EVERYTHING01:50
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Hobbseeimbrandon: he's away - work01:51
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ryanakcaimbrandon: thanks for the konversation build, no more sigsev, but when you want to look at the logs (Window -> Open Logfile for #channel    or   Ctrl-O), it causes konversation to hang... I end up having to use killall konversation and making a new window02:07
imbrandonit will hang untill the log is fully opened02:07
imbrandonthats known there just isnt a dialog saying so02:08
imbrandon:) thanks though ;002:08
imbrandonbtw ryanakca amarok is posted too ;)02:10
ryanakcaon your repos?02:10
imbrandonyup just add a line with "amarok" instead of "konversation-nightly"02:10
ryanakcaor add "amarok" to the end of the line?02:11
imbrandonyea ;)02:11
ryanakcanow... I don't want to sound impatient or anything... but can you review eqonomize for me while I'm gone? I'll be back tommorow sometime :)02:14
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imbrandonkwwii: ping02:36
kwwiiimbrandon: pong02:36
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imbrandonheya someon just sent art to the ML that i was gonna ask you about, maybe me and him can collaborate and take some load off ya , heres the deal .....02:37
imbrandonyou know all the html start pages for akrogaots kmail konq etc02:37
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imbrandonhe was asking about those, and i was wondering the same thin, i can get him on irc and we can get it all changed and i can send patches to riddell if you are working on other stuff02:38
kwwiiRiddell: kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz02:38
imbrandonif thats cool by you, basicly leaving them the same just "purpleizing them"02:39
kwwiiRiddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz02:39
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kwwiiimbrandon: we should definitely change them02:39
kwwiimake them purple02:39
kwwiiI wanted to do that after the guidance stuff02:39
kwwiineed to make the interface pics for guidance too02:40
imbrandonok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ?02:40
kwwiiyes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc02:40
imbrandoni'll reply to him asking him to pop in irc and colab 02:40
imbrandoni'll see what we can get done for you today02:41
kwwiiimbrandon: cool, I started a mail to the list to respond to his02:43
kwwiikilller, that would be excellent!02:43
imbrandonk just replyd with ...02:44
imbrandonHeya Nathan, yes they sure are getting "purpleized" , Ken and Riddell and I were working on just that infact on IRC and would welcome the help, stop on by #kubuntu-devel on freenode and we'll all get togather and tackle this today ;)02:44
imbrandonadd what ever else you want ;)02:44
imbrandonRiddell: ?02:45
Riddelloh I'm with you now02:45
yuriyRiddell: i'm in MA, USA (so you asked at 4am)02:45
Riddellyuriy: US citizenship too?02:45
Riddell(google wants to know)02:45
kwwiidamn americans02:45
yuriyRiddell: yeah02:45
Riddellyuriy: thanks02:46
kwwii(myself being american as well)02:46
imbrandonRiddell: hehe did you get the url with amarok ? kamoin approved it pending you giving it a spin ;)02:46
imbrandonhehe kwwii02:46
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Riddellimbrandon: yes, it's next on my todo list02:46
imbrandonnp , no worries just making sure it got to ya02:47
imbrandonmaybe by the edgy+1 dev sprint i'll be in -core-dev and wont bug you quite as much hehehe02:48
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kwwii_Riddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz02:52
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Hobbseeimbrandon: they're mean and nasty over that, be careful :P02:54
imbrandonhehehehe ;P02:55
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seaLnehow do i integrate a changelog from debian when i'm not applying the thing that it does (k3b rpath)?03:09
imbrandonhrm seaLne no idea03:12
imbrandoni think i'm gonna take a small 1 hour nap, i woke up too early , see yall in just a little while03:13
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seaLneare the dapper-changes mails about backports mean proper backports are working03:27
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imbrandonyea proper backports are working now03:28
imbrandona few things have already been pushed this moringn03:28
seaLnei wonder why k3b was picked03:28
Hobbseebecause it already had a report against it?03:29
imbrandonthere was a backport report for it03:29
seaLnewhere are backport reports?03:29
imbrandonkbfx got push finaly too03:29
imbrandonseaLne: anyone can file htem as long as you test and provide the right info and get a MOTU or -core-dev to ack it03:29
HobbseeseaLne: malone03:29
imbrandonthen backport team looks it over03:30
seaLneHobbsee: yeah but how do i see them?03:30
imbrandonthey are bugs againts the product dapper-backports03:30
Hobbseecheck what's subscribed to ubuntu-backporters03:30
freeflyingjust back from oss meeting in China, ubuntu attended 03:30
seaLneHobbsee: ta03:31
Hobbseefreeflying: nice!  how'dit go?03:31
imbrandonseaLne: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs03:31
seaLneyeah it was the "product dapper-backports" i didn't know03:31
freeflyingHobbsee: ubuntu's topic is great,  hehe, but the time is too short 03:32
freeflyingimbrandon: seaLne hi03:32
imbrandonheay freeflying03:32
seaLnefreeflying: hiya03:32
imbrandonbrb i'm gonna take that nap03:32
freeflyingseaLne: sorry, I owe you traslation  :P03:33
seaLnefreeflying: yeah :) and the previous ones disapeared03:33
freeflyingseaLne: why?03:34
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seaLnethe website changed to a wiki03:34
imbrandonhello nathan03:34
seaLnethe website you had them on03:34
n8k99hi there ready for purpleizing03:34
n8k99btw brandon - did you build amarok 142 for ppc?03:35
freeflyingseaLne: I see,  :)03:35
imbrandonheh ;) i was just heading out for about an hour, maybe less, kwwii_ ( a.k.a ken ) is here too 03:35
imbrandonn8k99: its building now03:35
imbrandonit will be uploaded in a bit03:35
Riddell"Backports resurrected" yay!03:36
n8k99so which image should i get started with purpling03:36
imbrandonanyhow as i was saying i'm heading out for about an hour, gather what you have done so far and we'll get this knocked out ;)03:36
imbrandonn8k99: lets start with konq03:36
kwwii_hi nathan03:36
imbrandonn8k99: i'll do the html stuff and you can handel the images ok ?03:37
n8k99hi kwwii03:37
imbrandonanyhow bbiab03:37
kwwii_see you imbrandon03:37
kwwii_thanks to both of you :-)03:37
imbrandonRiddell: ya yay\0/ , that was the first mail i woke upto this morning03:38
imbrandoni was happy03:38
HobbseeRiddell: yeah!  :D03:38
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imbrandonn8k99: my ppc compile box is kinda slow ( 800mhz ) it will be done and uploaded in about 2 hours ( but i'll ping you too when it is )03:39
n8k99imbrandon_: yay!03:40
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n8k99  is there a website/wiki entry with rgb numbers for how purple things are to be?03:41
Riddelln8k99: http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc03:41
imbrandon[07:39]  <imbrandon> ok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ?03:42
imbrandon[07:40]  <kwwii> yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc03:42
imbrandon[07:40]  <imbrandon> ok03:42
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n8k99i'm sorry what was that lauchpad link again - little crash over here03:45
Riddell14:42 < imbrandon> [07:40]  <kwwii> yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc03:45
Hobbseeooh, yeah!03:45
HobbseeRiddell: what are your thoughts on backporting kopete?03:46
RiddellHobbsee: yes please03:46
HobbseeRiddell: what happens with the kopete in kdenetwork?03:47
Riddellit doesn't get made03:47
RiddellI think for kde 3.5.5 it'll be kopete 0.12.203:47
Riddellbut we won't use it03:47
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HobbseeRiddell: so what about the current dapper versions?  version it as kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1~dapper1 or something?03:49
Riddellsame as it is in edgy with ~dapper103:50
Riddellthe backports team will care about that03:50
Riddellwe just care that it compiles03:50
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abattoir_Riddell: oem-config works properly now. :)03:54
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Riddellabattoir: rock!03:58
Riddellabattoir: is your bzr archive up to te?03:58
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abattoirRiddell: nope, i'll do it now...03:58
abattoirRiddell: i just found a couple of bugs though :(03:58
Riddellabattoir: thanks, I'll try and look at that after I do amarok03:59
abattoirRiddell: hitting back in the 2nd step changes dbfilter to None...03:59
kwwii_Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu4ever.png03:59
abattoirRiddell: and in the last step, the UI closes even if the password/verify password entries arent the same...04:00
abattoirRiddell: i'll try to fix those and then upload.04:00
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seaLnedoes anyone know anything about movix?04:13
Riddellnot I04:14
Hobbseedefinetly not i04:16
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Hobbseehence i should not be interviewed!  :P04:16
Riddellyay, interview Hobbsee!04:16
Riddellwho's interviewing Hobbsee?04:17
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HobbseeRiddell: some people at SLUG are wanting to04:17
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Riddellah yes, slug, their IRC channel always used to confuse me when I was trying to find the Scottish LUG irc channel04:17
RiddellHobbsee: what sort of interview?04:17
HobbseeRiddell: one in person, i think04:18
Riddellso not quite the same as behindubuntu04:18
Hobbseeyeah, would be a spoken interview04:19
Hobbseedont give those behindubuntu people ideas!  :P04:19
HobbseeSime: yes04:19
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n8k99i think i have a purple png for konqi04:30
n8k99where do you want me to put it?04:31
seaLneRiddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b04:31
kwwii_well, send it to imbrandon and myself04:31
kwwii_or post it to the ubuntu-artwork list04:31
Riddellhmm, two branches of k3b04:33
seaLneoops KDE04:34
seaLneRiddell: ok fixing04:35
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viper550Hello everyone104:41
viper550Sorry, that 1 was supposed to be a "!"04:42
seaLneRiddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b04:42
viper550I've noticed that alot of people have been disapointed about Kubuntu once they load up a GTK app like Firefox and notice it looks very ugly04:42
n8k99imbrandon_: hey let me know if this will work https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=top-right-konqueror.png04:43
RiddellseaLne: I'm onto it04:43
seaLneviper550: well use KDE apps rather than the ugly GTK ones04:43
viper550In the words of Paris Hilton, that's hot!04:43
viper550Also, some people just prefer Firefox over Konqueror...04:44
n8k99who is paris talking to?04:44
seaLnen8k99: is the mouse pointer on the globe part of it?04:44
viper550I'm talking about the new purple graphic, looks hot!04:44
n8k99yeah - i just took the original png as is in my dapper and made some color shifts with the gimp04:45
seaLnestrange never noticed it before :)04:45
n8k99no actual work was done!!04:45
n8k99neither had i04:45
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n8k99but each app, kmail, aggregakor, etc has its own little icon there04:46
n8k99the globe is part of konqi's04:46
Hobbseeviper550: true that.  it doesnt acutally build with a qt engine at all, or didnt.  there are a few packages that make it look more kde-ish though04:46
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Hobbseethey actually look mostly kde-ish :D04:46
n8k99which other app should i work on now?04:47
viper550I think my idea is to use a brand new theme called QtCurve, I'm working on a mockup with it right now!04:47
Riddellviper550: better to port plastik to gtk04:48
viper550Man, Konversation is such a memory hog...04:48
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Tonio_Riddell: hey ! 04:49
Tonio_Riddell: is the switch to plastik causing an issue ?04:49
RiddellTonio_: dunno, not tried it yet04:49
RiddellTonio_: comment ca va kio-locate?04:49
Tonio_well, I'm using firefox here and didn't look anything special04:49
Tonio_looks normal, meaning beatifull kde style and horrible gtk dialog boxes ;)04:50
Tonio_Riddell: kio-locate has been uploaded this night04:50
Tonio_since I got my key back04:50
Tonio_I'm trying to understand that deadkey bug on qt04:50
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RiddellI saw that in a magazine here04:51
Tonio_Riddell: the deadkey problem ?04:51
RiddellI think so, but not speaking german I didn't see any more than deadkey, qt and kcontrol04:51
Tonio_sure. the point is that english speaking people will not see it, but for most european languages, that a pain...04:52
Tonio_Riddell is in he's french day ;)04:53
Tonio_on va faire comme a Riddell. Tout en Franais aujourd'hui04:53
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Riddellwell all the germans here are talking in german and I can't understand them, so if I talk in French they can't understand me04:54
Tonio_Riddell: aren't german supposed to be good in english ?04:55
Hobbsee...so they should just all speak english and be done with it.04:55
HobbseeTonio_: no, german and english arent really compatible04:55
Hobbseei found, anyway...04:55
Tonio_afaik they are better than french to speak other languages :)04:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: you can't imagin the french people then04:55
HobbseeTonio_: true that.  the only person i know who speaks a bit of french is my mother.04:56
Hobbseehey bddebian 04:56
bddebianHi Hobbsee04:56
Tonio_Riddell: ho !!! then can'T understand you :) I missed the "t" :)04:56
Tonio_yop bddebian04:56
bddebianHeya Tonio_, Riddell04:56
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viper550Hello again...05:00
RiddellseaLne: "apart from RPATH" why apart from it?05:01
seaLneyou said not to05:01
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Riddellno, I said we want to not have rpath05:02
seaLnethe "sync" consisted of copying the changelog05:02
Viper550Okay, wondering another reason I suggest switching to QtCurve as our theme?05:02
RiddellViper550: we don't want a gnome theme as our default theme05:03
seaLneRiddell: ok to clarify the RPATH changes *should* go in then?05:03
n8k99is plastik a gnome theme?05:03
Viper550It's not a Gnome theme, it's a KDE style, but it can also be dynamically applied to GTK applications05:03
RiddellseaLne: correct.  we're getting confused with double negatives here :)05:03
n8k99oh - i usually use baghira 05:03
RiddellseaLne: their change removes rpath from k3b, which is a good thing that we want05:04
Viper550But also, it has alot of options for configuration05:04
Riddelln8k99: plastik is the KDE theme05:04
seaLneRiddell: *grumble* :)05:04
RiddellseaLne: I can add the rpath change, it's very small05:04
Riddellhttp://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=1  yes?05:04
Viper550I've got it with a very nice gloss motif!05:04
n8k99Riddell: i switched to that today to work 05:05
seaLneRiddell: yeah05:05
HobbseeViper550: really, why not go with whatever looks best?05:05
seaLneRiddell: ok i can easily do it05:05
Hobbseeas long as it's not a straight gnome theme :P05:05
Viper550It does look best. It's not a straight Gnome theme, the GTK engine part is optional.05:05
Hobbseemind you, they dont tend to look very nice anyway, so i suspect we're pretty safe05:05
HobbseeViper550: screenshot?05:05
Viper550Let me fire up Ksnapshot...05:05
HobbseeViper550: and if it could be applied to GTK apps, does that mean it gets applied to ff and the like, by default?05:06
Viper550The QtCurve GTK theme reads the configuration from the QtCurve KDE theme, making it look almost exactly the same!05:06
n8k99finished with the default images in /konqueror/about/05:07
n8k99put them on my launchpad page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode#preview05:07
Viper550Just let me post the screenshot to Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas05:08
Hobbseen8k99: the left one looks pretty05:08
n8k99ima try to make that for all the apps05:09
Viper550I just committed my QtCurve screenshot to the Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas page05:13
HobbseeViper550: link?05:14
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Viper550Man, is it me, or is the wiki slow today?05:15
RiddellseaLne: I've done it, recompiling to make sure it doesn't break05:15
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Viper550Or just plain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=qtcurve_keramik.png05:15
n8k99that page has lots of data on it, what with full sized wallpapers and such 05:16
seaLneRiddell: ok05:16
Viper550(if you don't like loading)05:16
seaLneRiddell: did you just delete the apart from rpath bit in the changelog?05:16
Riddelland added those chrpath lines05:16
seaLneand to configure?05:17
Viper550So, you like it?05:17
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Tonio_Sime: ping ?05:17
RiddellViper550: ug05:18
Viper550Why ugh?05:19
Viper550Is Keramik not in style anymore?05:19
Hobbseei swear those buttons look like KDE 1 or KDE 2 though.05:20
Viper550Actually, KDE 3.0, Plastik didn't come til 3.2 I think...05:20
Hobbseenever used kde 3.0 :P05:20
Viper550Keremik still comes with KDE 3.x05:21
n8k99i think that the window decoration and the menu background run together too much05:21
n8k99maybe if the menu bar were more grey/purple05:21
Viper550But, that's the point!05:21
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Hobbseethat's what i was thinking of when i asked for purple :)05:22
Viper550The effect just doesn't work very good with Crystal05:22
n8k99i like the tone level - just not the real-estate covered05:22
Viper550Would it work if the colors were a bit different?05:23
n8k99i think it would work if there were two tones for the different areas05:24
n8k99dark shade on win deco and lighter for menu bg05:24
Viper550Are the different areas the main background and the "bubble" with the title?05:24
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kwwii_Tonio_: ping?05:26
RiddellseaLne: k3b uploaded, thanks05:26
Hobbseehey kwwii_!05:26
kwwii_howdy Hobbsee05:26
kwwii_Hobbsee: so after googling for you name, I cannot find a picture of you! how in the world did you pull off doing sooo much work for kubuntu and not having one pic of yourself anywhere?05:26
RiddellseaLne: you can close the bug, and it might be a candidate to backport if you have time to see if it comopiles on dapper05:27
seaLneyeah it was bad timing that .16 got into backports05:27
kwwii_Tonio_: we need to change the knotes default settings from "fancy style" to "plain style" ... could you take care of that?05:27
Hobbseekwwii_: did you find much under my real name, btw?05:27
kwwii_Hobbsee: nothing that tells me it is you05:28
kwwii_Hobbsee: unless you are a famous old woman05:28
Hobbseekwwii_: true that - that's because i tend to keep my real name pretty quiet, and my image05:28
Hobbseehehe - i'm no artist, that's for sure05:28
Hobbseekwwii_: the reason i keep such things quiet is because of things like this:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html05:29
Hobbseea couple of pics are at 05:30
Tonio_kwwii_: I already did in the past but Riddell rejected that hehe :)05:30
Tonio_kwwii_: now you can decide, I'll do this, yes05:30
Tonio_I hate the fancy style og knotes05:30
Viper550Nice Car, now if only we could make Kubuntu look as good as it! :D05:31
HobbseeViper550: hehe.  it's a nice car when it *goes*05:31
kwwii_Hobbsee: those are very nice pics :-)05:32
Hobbseekwwii_: thankyou05:32
Hobbseekwwii_: did you read the log?05:33
Hobbseekwwii_: and now do you understand why i tend to keep such things quiet?05:33
kwwii_http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html does not work05:33
Hobbseekwwii_: ahh...05:33
kwwii_Tonio_: please, if you can, change it05:33
RiddellTonio_: I don't remember discussing knotes ever05:34
kwwii_nothing worse than a forgetfull scotsman with poor taste in art :p05:34
Tonio_Riddell: we didn't discuss this, but you removed it from a debdiff I sent to you :)05:35
Hobbseekwwii_: http://pastebin.ca/14767805:35
Tonio_maybe the fact we never discussed this is the reason you didn't accept hehe ;)05:35
Viper550Knotes handbook does have the blue graphics...05:35
Hobbseekwwii_: didnt realise raft.net killed off pastes so quick05:35
Tonio_kwwii_: concerning the yellow color, maybe we can change it a bit05:35
Viper550But, Sticky Notes are supposed to be Yellow!05:35
kwwii_Hobbsee: as long as you don't talk about my man boobs I won't mention the word again :p05:36
kwwii_don't worry, /me is married with child05:36
Hobbseekwwii_: heh.  it's more the fact that that stuff happens at all, which is why i tend to keep all of those details relatively quiet05:37
kwwii_yeah, that is freaky05:37
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kwwii_I cannot imagine someone doing that05:37
Hobbseekwwii_: not that abnormal.05:37
kwwii_thank god I am not a woman :-)05:37
Viper550So, think the Keramik+QtCurve idea is a good one?05:38
Hobbsee /rant05:38
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Viper550Or, I could try and make an overlay for Crystal to make the gradient look like it...05:38
Hobbseeheya jdong|coreduo 05:38
kwwii_Viper550: well, Keramik was default for kde a long time ago, so I know that we will not want to use that05:38
jdong|coreduohey Hobbsee05:38
Hobbseejdong|coreduo: i warn you now, i want to backport kopete ;)05:38
jdong|coreduois it possible for us to bump k3b's kdelibs4-dev deps back down05:39
Viper550But, I actually think it looks a bit better than Plastik, Plastik is boring and conservative, and Crystal's buttons are all whacked up05:39
jdong|coreduoso it'd backport?05:39
Hobbseejdong|coreduo: dont know yet05:39
Hobbseei would think so05:39
Viper550It's original and creative! Also, it looks nice with the Crystal icons05:40
kwwii_Viper550: the style kinda looks like winXP media center edition widgets05:40
Tonio_kwwii_: want to keep the original color or no ?05:40
Viper550Tonio_: So, you are comparing it to Royale?05:40
Tonio_Viper550: ?05:40
kwwii_Viper550: actually, we are working on a new style, which is being made by the person who made keramik and it looks pretty nice05:40
Viper550Royale is the offical name for that theme.05:40
kwwii_Tonio_: I think we can change the color too, let me test it05:41
Viper550Hold it, are there any pictures yet?05:41
Tonio_kwwii_: sure05:41
Hobbsee!info libgadu-dev05:41
ubotulibgadu-dev: Gadu-Gadu protocol library - development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6+20051103-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 123 kB, installed size 536 kB05:41
Hobbsee!info ekiga05:41
ubotuekiga: Free Your Speech. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 3572 kB, installed size 12188 kB05:41
Hobbsee!info libslp-dev05:42
ubotulibslp-dev: OpenSLP development libraries. In component main, is extra. Version 1.2.1-5 (dapper), package size 60 kB, installed size 244 kB05:42
Hobbseejdong|coreduo: i would expect it to backport, i'll test build overnight05:42
kwwii_Tonio_: can you change the bg color? in my version I change the color in the settings but it does not actually change anything05:42
Tonio_kwwii_: yes I can05:42
Tonio_I like this colour05:43
jdong|coreduoHobbsee: k3b backports fine, as long as the kdelibs4-dev dep is relaxed05:43
jdong|coreduoand from what I see, it was tightened for Edgy-specific build reasons05:43
Tonio_yellow too, but by far better for the eyes05:43
Hobbsee!info kdelibs4-dev05:44
ubotukdelibs4-dev: development files for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 1320 kB, installed size 7516 kB05:44
Hobbseekdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.0) is the dep.05:44
Tonio_kwwii_: once background is changed, create a new note to see the colour05:44
Hobbseeshouldnt be a problem...05:44
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carstenViper550: are you really expecting us to answer within 30 seconds?05:45
carstengood :)05:45
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Viper550I'll wait as long as I have to...05:45
seaLnejdong|coreduo: don't bother backporting the new k3b yet i have a few things i'm going to fix in it bug wise05:46
jdong|coreduoseaLne:  alright05:46
Tonio_kwwii_: here are the settings I use for knotes : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png05:46
RiddellTonio_: nice05:47
HobbseeTonio_: as for bugs i'd like to kill off.  i'd like to get printing* fixed, the mounting fixed including floppy disks, etc - all mounted as intended, i'd like to see kdesu work all the time (dotn know if we'll get that one, if it's an ustream problem), 05:48
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, that's hudge, but these are the most major bugs05:48
kwwii_Tonio_: funny, enough that is almost exactly the color I picked :-)05:48
Tonio_kdesu fails the first time you launch an app, I don't understand why05:48
HobbseeTonio_: yes, exactly05:48
HobbseeTonio_: that's the stuff that if we have time/people/expertise to throw at them, i'd like to see fixed the most05:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: let's prepare a wikipage toonight are you okay ?05:49
HobbseeTonio_: depends when tonight is - i'm going to go to bed pretty soon - it's almsot 2am again05:49
Tonio_there are very long time bugs that really to get love :)05:49
Hobbseeyes, definetly05:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay, what time is it for you ?05:49
Hobbsee@time sydney05:50
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: August 25 2006, 01:50:0905:50
HobbseeTonio_: ^  almost 2am05:50
Tonio_kwwii_: let's use this maybe ?05:50
kwwii_Tonio_: definitely05:50
Hobbseeif we could sort media:/ stuff out too, that'd be cool05:50
Tonio_Hobbsee: argh..... okay let's rediscuss this tomorrow then :)05:50
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HobbseeTonio_: hehe, okay05:50
=== Hobbsee is suddenly brainstorming this stuff.
HobbseeTonio_: i could think about it over work :)05:51
HobbseeTonio_: my boss will like that :)05:51
Hobbsee(shudder.  my boss will be there.  eek)05:51
Tonio_Hobbsee: great then ;)05:51
Hobbsee(and she wont be happy with me due to me not going into work today, too.  double eek)05:51
Hobbseeanyway, bedtime.  i shall see how kopete behaves in the morning05:53
Viper550I'm going to try and make some mods to Keremik05:54
Tonio_Riddell: concerning all those mounting issues (sata devices and floppy), shouldn't we contact kevin ottens maybe ?06:04
Tonio_because we don't have that much time before the release now....06:04
Tonio_he is the most acknoledge for this06:05
freeflyingRiddell: Guidance Power Manager will show on a desktop install06:06
freeflyingRiddell: is this a bug?06:06
Tonio_freeflying: will it ?06:07
freeflyingTonio_: ya, a desktop installed edgy show it in system tray06:08
Tonio_freeflying: afaik, klaptop was a kde service just because of this06:08
Tonio_freeflying: indeed that's not very nice06:09
freeflyingTonio_: sure, so I wanna know is that a bug06:10
Tonio_freeflying: only Riddell can answer :)06:10
freeflyingTonio_: seems Riddell not around now  :)06:11
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Tonio_kwwii_: kds uploaded06:12
kwwii_cool :-) thanks!06:12
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freeflyingamarok-1.4.2 for ppc is ready, anyone need?06:13
freeflyingimbrandon: ping06:13
kwwii_freeflying: I could try it out :-)06:14
freeflyingkwwii_: how can I give you  :)06:14
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n8k99imbrandon_: check out this work please https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode06:28
Tonio_Riddell: Lots of work has been done on debian's qt package...06:29
Tonio_I'm trying it since it might resolve lots of issues, and more than this related to fonts (arabic mostly)06:29
Tonio_we have a launchpad bug concerning this06:29
kwwii_n8k99: the kmail header seems to have a lighter purple than the rest (which is better)06:32
kwwii_not sure exactly how purple we should make them06:33
n8k99i had some trouble matching tones cause i closed my .xcf for konqi b4 i started the others06:33
n8k99 ;( 06:33
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n8k99must take daughter 2 playground bbs06:39
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exobuzzthe current edgy kdm look is excellent! Much better than the heavy purple06:45
exobuzzand i like the default kde background too. its quite unusual colouring, but it works06:45
exobuzzone thing i'm not keen on is the kde fonts. they look autohinted so bold fonts look really bad (much too bold). would that be a settings within kde or with fontconfig (i have set fontconfig to not use hinting.. so i assume its in the kde config ?)06:47
kwwii_do you mean in kde or in kdm?06:47
exobuzzin kde.. kdm fonts look fine06:48
kwwii_hehe, on your machine :-)06:48
exobuzzi really prefer how fonts looked in dapper/breezy etc06:48
kwwii_I am not sure that anything changed06:48
exobuzzhmm.. maybe something weird is going on with fontconfig..06:49
kwwii_there appear to be problems there, but it should be fixed before release06:49
exobuzzanyway.. is the kdm look/feel just a test? or is this approved. i love it..06:49
kwwii_hehe, I approved it today :-)06:50
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kwwii_I will still test some different bg ideas though06:50
kwwii_different color gradients in that same pics06:50
exobuzzthere was a small glitch with the right of the screen during the kde loading phase. it had a piece of the kde background there. but i need to check again06:50
exobuzzim a glasses wearer, so you can't trust everything i say :D06:51
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exobuzzive got to kill x a moment. i want to gaze at kdm's beauty again...06:52
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exobuzzyup.. :D06:54
kwwii_I am really happy to hear that you like it :-)06:54
SimeTonio_: pong06:56
exobuzzi dont have usplash running. are there any example gfx on the wiki or mockups how it will look ?06:57
RiddellTonio_: we already have a patch for arabic fonts06:58
RiddellTonio_: but sure, if there's good stuff in debian we should merge06:58
Riddellfreeflying: I've not yet found the best way to work out if power manager should show, I may well use just laptop-detect06:59
kwwii_ok, /me is out06:59
kwwii_bye all06:59
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Riddellexobuzz: you just made kwwii's day :)07:00
exobuzzi hope usplash look will  be livened up a little bit too..07:01
exobuzzi mean.. it needs a balance between being informative too..07:02
Riddellthere's a new high-res usplash but we don't know if it'll stay because it might break some syste07:03
exobuzzi have usplash off as the first time i booted it displayed and then froze :/07:04
exobuzzneed to retest though..07:04
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Riddellthat'll be the sort of problem then :07:05
exobuzzprobably the laptops fault. like most laptops designed for windows, the bios is quite broken 07:05
exobuzzthe kubuntu wiki is very slow :/07:10
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SimeRiddell: ping07:24
Simeso, who *is* here.07:32
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SimeseaLne: were you having a problem with blank CDs being mounted?07:50
SimeI put a blank CD in just then, and it wasn't automatically mounted.07:51
seaLneit didn't show up when you typed mount?07:51
seaLnejust checking we were testing the same sort of way07:52
Simeok, disk inserted..... waiting.07:53
Simeit appeared in system:/media as a blank CD.07:53
Simemount says that it is not mounted.07:54
Simekde's mediamanager also says that it is not mounted.07:54
Simethis is a CD-R.07:54
seaLnei was using a cdrw, just blanking and i'll test again in a min07:54
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seaLneweird its not doing it today07:57
SimeBTW, if you try to open a blank CD in system:/media/ or media:/, it will get automatically mounted.07:58
seaLneit happened to me 3 times yesterday07:59
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seaLnei guess forget about it08:00
Simemedia:/ mounts things on-demand. WHile the new kio patches mount things after they are inserted, except for blank disks.08:03
Simeso there is a slight difference in behaviour there.08:03
seaLnebtw is there a way to stop that? i hardly ever read cds and mainly just burn things to cdrw so having to unmount is annoying08:04
seaLnenot that thats very normal usage :)08:05
Simewhy do you need to unmount? (the eject button on you drive should work ok)08:07
seaLneto burn a cd08:07
seaLnei suppose this would infact cause problems for anyone reusing a cdrw08:09
mornfallit also will cause problems if you want to copy a cd08:09
alleeFWIW: in breezy we also had automount and I hated it.  Don08:10
alleeThe dialog in dapper was fine IMHO08:10
seaLnei think the popup was good, if users wanted to allways automount they could tick the box08:10
mornfalli don't like popups, would prefer to see an icon appearing (for me in kicker, for many people on desktop) :-)08:11
Simemornfall: you can easily set that up.08:11
mornfallprobably :)08:11
Simemornfall: add the "Storage Media" applet to your kicker08:11
alleemornfall: icons are too hiden.  And using RMB to get an action list if even more hidden.08:12
mornfallwell, clicking it should mount+show :)08:12
mornfalland things should umount themselves when you stop using them (ala autofs)08:13
Simeallee, mornfall : you two should really check out the "Storage Media" applet08:13
mornfallSime: i personally don't care much, just trying to hypothesize of best default UI ;-)08:13
seaLneit looks quite nice08:13
alleemornfall: well, one may want to mount or reformat (k3b of kformat) an RW media08:13
mornfallallee: well, yes08:13
mornfallthat would be a nice thing to be able to do from konq on a mounted medium08:14
alleeSime: doesn't storage media applet just open(ed) konqy with media:/  now /media?08:14
mornfallclick the thing and have the actions as well as content handy08:14
Simestorage media applet isn't patched yet. (Working on it!)08:14
alleeYou mean 'system menu' kicker button, then 'Storage media' item will habe submenu (devices) and subsub menues (actions) ?08:16
Simethere are two applets. The system menu and the storage media. Both need patching.08:17
Simesystem menu is the HOme, Storage Media, Remote Places, Trash etc applet.08:18
SimeLure wants the storage media one too.08:18
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alleeSime: will your patches version somehow handle the case of several partitions better?  E.g,. inserting an USB disk with 6 partitions floods desktop with dialogs  and the old 'media action dialog' shows not enough info which partition it is :(08:22
SimeI've need seen a USB disk with multipe partitions...08:23
Simei know it is possible.08:23
alleebut most annoying is that an dialog does not go away when an medium is  removed08:23
alleeSime: come to my office.  And I show you some of them ;)08:23
Simethat's a bit of an extreme case though.08:24
Simewhich is my polite way of saying "It ain't high on my TODO list buddy!"08:24
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alleeyeap, but even with 2 or 3  which happened with some USB sticks we bought, multiple dialog are hard to identify (no tool tip, no device name, mime-type etc info anywhere)08:25
alleeSime: fair enough;)  As long as it's nibbling in the back of your head ;)08:26
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apacheloggerRiddell: ping ping ping :|08:45
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apacheloggerRiddell: 354 for dapper is having a dep issue: kdelibs4c2a depends on cupsys2 >= 1.2.1, but dapper only ships 1.2.008:52
crimsundo you have dapper-updates enabled?09:03
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Tuxistis a amarok developer here09:20
Tuxistpackager sorry09:20
fdovingTuxist: danimo and imbrandon i think.09:22
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Tuxisti have been made new amarok 14.2 packages with helix, libmtp, smb and nfs support based on imbrandon packages 09:23
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apacheloggercrimsun: hehe, a user having that problem - though - YOUR DA KING :D09:27
apacheloggerRiddell: forget about it ;-)09:27
apacheloggerfdoving: and hobbsee09:27
apacheloggerbildschirm is always good :D09:29
apacheloggerTuxist: smb and nfs support?09:30
fdovingapachelogger: ok, copy that :)09:30
Tuxisti upload the packages at this moment09:30
apacheloggerwhat for smb and nfs support?09:31
apacheloggeror actually, how smb and nfs support?09:31
Tuxistsince 1.4.209:31
Tuxistlibmtp is recommend for my packages09:31
apacheloggerTuxist: still don't get that09:32
fdovingisn't smb and nfs handled with the kio slaves? 09:33
Tuxistamarok is uploading09:33
apacheloggerfdoving: neither xine nor helix nor nmm do support kio09:33
Tuxisti have in moment only amd64 packages09:33
apacheloggerso only mounted nfs or smb will work09:34
fdovingapachelogger: so, amarok has a proxy thing? 09:34
apacheloggerfdoving: does have, though I think the kio stuff is not throwing through it09:34
fdovingi actually don't use amarok anymore.09:35
fdovingmpd+kmp fits my usage better.09:36
apacheloggeryou'd think different if I would get nmm to build properly09:36
apacheloggerI think I'll just rape the nmm package in case it ever gets finished ;-)09:37
fdovingnmm ? 09:37
apachelogger<Amarok> * nmm = http://www.networkmultimedia.org/  [added by: apachelog] 09:38
Tuxistok i change this09:39
fdovingi like that i can start MPD on the machine connected to the stereo.. and start clients from all computers in the network.09:39
apacheloggerfdoving: nmm is basically doing the same, just that it's better and has an amarok engine :P09:40
fdovingsounds nice.09:41
fdovingcan you easily have console-clients and webinterfaces too like mpd?09:41
apacheloggerI at least think so09:43
Tuxisti must download 54mb with dsl 4000 :-(09:43
apacheloggerwasn't able to try as I didn't got it build properly :P09:43
apacheloggerI probably should try to compile cvs version09:43
Tuxistamarok 1.4.2 have a bug09:43
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Tuxistin the mtpmediadevice.cpp09:44
apacheloggerTuxist: ?09:44
Tuxistat line 63409:45
Tuxist    QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) );09:45
apacheloggerTuxist: where's the bug?09:45
Tuxistdelete the line and use this QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) );09:45
Tuxistyou cant not compile without this change09:45
apacheloggerthey look exactly the same Oo09:46
Tuxistok than have the amarok team clean this bug09:46
Tuxistvery fine09:47
Tuxistnmm 0.9.2 it is a actuelly version09:47
apacheloggerTuxist: now tell me, where is the diff in the two lines you pasted :P09:48
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Tuxisti have not made a patch i have this change manuelly ;-)09:49
Tuxistups 09:49
Tuxistmy next project is to made fedora 6 kernel to ubuntu09:52
apacheloggerTuxist: what is the issue with that line?09:52
Tuxistits a change in libmtp09:55
apacheloggerimbrandon, Tuxist: http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=576121&view=rev09:55
apacheloggernearly forgot to report that to packagers ^^09:55
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Luresebas: fix for brightness bug (if laptop does not have brightness control): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2157510:04
Tuxistth packages are upload the source need a moment10:04
Luresebas: tooltip is now much nicer10:04
Tuxistall upload10:08
Tuxistnow i work on the nmm support10:09
Luresebas: why does g-p-m dcop interface use PID in the name? I suspect we will not allow more than one instance to run anyhow?10:15
Luresebas: I suspect this is side effect of KApplication (instead of KUniqueApplication)?10:18
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Viper550I just saw the new Edgy Knot 2 artwork...interesting...10:31
LureViper550: yep, nice touch from kwwii10:31
Viper550Interesting, is that the same Purple color scheme from Dapper Flight 2?10:31
Viper550At least it looks better without that hideous wallpaper from that build...10:32
Viper550Now, I'm just going to try it on my Keramik/QtCurve idea, hope it fits!10:34
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