[12:26] <fritsch> imbrandon: suggests are now correct for me
[12:27] <imbrandon> huh ?
[12:28] <fritsch> mmmh, aliens?
[12:29] <fritsch> imbrandon: i wait till you say what to do (as contracted before)
[12:29] <imbrandon> k ;) heh
[12:30] <imbrandon> i will be about 1 more hour before i get it all done ( i'm doing a few other things at the same time )
[12:30] <imbrandon> sorry if that is too long to wait
[12:30] <fritsch> imbrandon: when this current upload is finished, can i help there something?
[12:31] <imbrandon> help with what ?
[12:31] <fritsch> imbrandon: after the upload, my bed cries heavily
[12:31] <fritsch> imbrandon: apt-cache madison
[12:31] <imbrandon> i'm not sure what you are asking fritsch
[12:31] <fritsch> imbrandon: we said, i wait here for testing :-)
[12:32] <imbrandon> ahh ok , well if you have to leave for bed that is okie , i understand ;)
[12:32] <imbrandon> but if you like to wait thats ok too
[12:32] <imbrandon> upto you :) but thank you for your help so far either way
[12:32] <fritsch> imbrandon: you aren` t currently in Wiesbaden, aren`t you?
[12:33] <imbrandon> no i'm not 
[12:33] <imbrandon> not this time
[12:34] <fritsch> imbrandon: perhaps we had met tomorrow, wanted to go today, but had to do some real life stuff :-(
[12:34] <fritsch> imbrandon: but if you need a dapper test computer, i can give you ssh onto the "test computer", no prob
[12:35] <imbrandon> thats ok i have some other computer that run dapper i can turn on
[12:35] <imbrandon> thanks for the offer though
[12:35] <fritsch> imbrandon: then me goes to bed ... happy fetching updates tomorrow
[12:35] <fritsch> imbrandon: thx for your work, see you soon
[12:35] <imbrandon> see ya ;) sleep well
[12:55] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Any luck on u4 yet by any chance ?
[12:55] <imbrandon> heh fighting with amarok still bro
[12:55] <imbrandon> and konversation
[12:55] <Hawkwind> Ohhh, that's no fun I know
[12:56] <imbrandon> actualy its not too bad
[12:56] <imbrandon> i think i got it whiped now, its syncing to the server
[12:56] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: you on dapper or edgy ?
[12:56] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Dapper
[12:56] <imbrandon> kde right ?
[01:09] <Tonio__> hey !!
[01:09] <Tonio__> got my key now :)
[01:09] <crimsun> hoo rah
[01:12] <Tonio__> crimsun: I hope you'll never have to perform 400 km with a car to get a gnupg key backup.......
[01:12] <Tonio__> not funny at all
[01:12] <Tonio__> :)
[01:13] <crimsun> Tonio__: worse. I've driven cross-country to revive a dead computer in data centre twice. (about 1800 mi each way)
[01:13] <Tonio__> crimsun: indeed, you win :)
[01:13] <crimsun> no, we both lost :(
[01:13] <Tonio__> crimsun: true :'(
[01:14] <Tonio__> crimsun: since you are here, are you still alsa maintainer ?
[01:14] <crimsun> I do a lot of alsa work, but I don't know if that makes me an "alsa maintainer" :)
[01:14] <Tonio__> okay that should be interesting for you
[01:15] <Tonio__> I have a last generation vaio computer, with integrated webcam
[01:15] <Tonio__> and alsa fails to make correct usage of the microphone
[01:15] <Tonio__> kind of conflict between the camera one and the jack one
[01:15] <crimsun> does alsa recognise the webcam's?
[01:16] <Tonio__> for example, when I plug the jack, that doesn't disable the camera one
[01:16] <crimsun> i.e., is it listed in /proc/asound/devices as a capture
[01:16] <Tonio__> yes it does, but sound level is always maximum and I can't set it
[01:16] <Tonio__> so I just get a big freeze
[01:16] <Tonio__> reverb
[01:16] <crimsun> ah
[01:16] <imbrandon> Tonio__: great ( about the key ) ;P
[01:17] <Tonio__> the point the configuration seems to touch the jack port, but the sound is on the camera one, which is unconfigurable
[01:18] <Tonio__> crimsun: looking at windows on the same machine, it seems that the jack/camera switch is done by a daemon, so it is pure software   (stupid but that's it)
[01:18] <Tonio__> and lots of recent laptops are doing this when they come with cameras
[01:18] <crimsun> if that sound chipset is HDA, that's becoming the norm. Yeah.
[01:18] <Tonio__> is alsa supposed to eventually support that feature ?
[01:18] <Tonio__> well that's stupid to me.... but that's it
[01:18] <Tonio__> just make things more complicated
[01:19] <Tonio__> well the point is that I can't use the microphone, which doesn't seems very serious in 2006 :)
[01:19] <crimsun> jack sense is already supported for other chipsets; it just needs to be tweaked for specific HDA codecs & models
[01:20] <crimsun> if you're referring to the "autoreconfigure" bit of some HDA codecs, there's only a little progress in that regard
[01:20] <Tonio__> crimsun: can I give you any informations that would be usefull "for the future" ? ^^
[01:20] <Tonio__> well audio on linux is really "the" thing that gets me lost ;)
[01:21] <Tonio__> I just wondered what informations could I give to help inthe improvement on my laptop support
[01:21] <crimsun> Tonio__: please file a bug report against linux-source-2.6.x; attach ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer'' for now
[01:21] <DaSkreech> raphink: got it dicovered
[01:21] <DaSkreech> discovered
[01:21] <crimsun> x can be both 15 and 17 if it fails in both dapper's and edgy's kernels
[01:22] <DaSkreech> It was fontconfig
[01:25] <Tonio__> crimsun: sure thanks :)
[01:54] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Technically what would happen if I made a view for adept for all my installed packages then pressed Ctrl+A and did a reinstall?
[03:29] <ryanakca> imbrandon: well, I'm off to bed, I'll read your comment about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939 in the morning :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: poke
[04:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heya!
[04:30] <nixternal_> schools kool
[04:44] <DaSkreech> You were breathless?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah.  found it incredibly hard to concentrate on anything due to light headedness :P
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 
[05:30] <Hobbsee> This is OK by me if Jonathan's OK with it; he's said he'd like to give
[05:30] <Hobbsee> it a spin first.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> for https://launchpad.net/bugs/57449
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57449 in amarok "Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[06:30] <nixternal> Hobbsee: python2.4 broken for kubuntu?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, crimsun broke it
[06:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: borked postinst?
[06:31] <nixternal> the dpkg erro
[06:31] <nixternal> r
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ...
[06:31] <Hobbsee> that doenst help
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ie, how did dpkg die?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> due to broken postinst?
[06:31] <nixternal> one sec ;)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> (it usually says)
[06:31] <nixternal> yup
[06:32] <nixternal> post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun's working on fixing it
[06:32] <nixternal> python2.4-minimal
[06:32] <nixternal> roger that..just wanted to make sure it wasn't me ;)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> (solitare, etc, from kde games) :P
[06:32] <nixternal> first night at uni for me tonight...very boring
[06:33] <nixternal> we watched revolution os, a documentary about RMS, Linux, the dude that create apache, and the guys from cygnus
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Eh?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Oh sorry thought someone called me
[06:33] <Hobbsee> heh.  fun
[06:36] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I err, no
[06:36] <crimsun> I simply exposed the bug that has been sitting there since Debian's -7
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Debian 7?
[06:37] <crimsun> dist-upgrades from Dapper->Edgy were bombing before I uploaded.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah right
[06:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: so we cant just blame you at random?  okay then
[06:38] <Hobbsee> !find libvisual edgy
[06:38] <ubotu> Found: libvisual-0.4-0, libvisual-0.4-dev, libvisual-0.4-plugins
[06:38] <crimsun> well I'm sure _someone_ will harp at me simply because I was the last to upload
[06:39] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error
[06:41] <nixternal> i released that in the new konversation, the up arrow doesn't post your previous lines
[06:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does here
[06:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does here
[06:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error
[06:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error
[06:41] <Hobbsee> etc
[06:41] <Hobbsee> it works
[06:41] <nixternal> not here
[06:41] <nixternal> lol
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Echo echo ec...
[06:42] <nixternal> mine doesn't ;(
[06:42] <nixternal> i wonder why..that is odd
[06:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: config file?
[06:43] <nixternal> unless the up arrow got tagged for something else
[06:51] <nixternal> i have iKs
[06:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i figured out why
[06:52] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> what was the problem?
[06:52] <nixternal> don't select "let something expand"..the text box you type in...if you set it to expand with text, the up arrow doesn't work
[06:52] <nixternal> bug?
[06:52] <nixternal> i will ask sho_
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:53] <Hobbsee> he's asleep
[06:56] <nixternal> no time for sleep, we have work to do
[06:56] <nixternal> when will these people figure that out ;)
[06:58] <crimsun> the workaround for the python2.4-minimal issue is to forcibly purge python-central (dpkg -P --force-depends), then dpkg --configure -a, then reinstall python-central
[06:59] <crimsun> the bug isn't actually in python2.4-minimal, it's in python-central
[07:02] <nixternal> thanks crimsun
[07:06] <nixternal> brb
[07:06] <nixternal> /quit restart
[07:18] <nixternal> crimsun: you rock!
[07:18] <crimsun> not really, still haven't nailed the pycentral boog yet
[07:53] <fritsch> imbrandon_: ty for amarok, it is working ... libvisual-0.4-0 gets installed :-)
[10:09] <insanekane> hello Hobbsee
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hey insanekane 
[10:11] <seaLne> bah debian got k3b 0.12.17 faster due to waiting for uvfe :(
[10:11] <seaLne> Riddell: assuming i get UVFE for k3b please don't upload yet
[10:12] <Riddell> seaLne: have you requested it?
[10:12] <seaLne> yes
[10:13] <Riddell> seaLne: bug number?
[10:13] <seaLne> mdz read the bug i didn't believe i'd included changelog :)
[10:13] <Riddell> oh yes, I remember that
[10:13] <seaLne> Bug #57475
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57475 in k3b "k3b 0.12.17 Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57475
[10:13] <seaLne> the changelog was so short i didn't see any point not putting it in
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you see the result of the amarok UVF exception?
[10:15] <seaLne> * Remove RPATHs using chrpath to get rid of lintian warnings
[10:15] <seaLne> ^ anyone know what rpaths are?
[10:15] <seaLne> we don't have any lintian warnings
[10:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, I need to test the package
[10:15] <Riddell> which I'll do now
[10:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[10:16] <Hobbsee> you got imbrandon_'s updated packages?
[10:16] <insanekane> yes, what is rpath ?
[10:17] <seaLne> "chrpath  changes,  lists  or  removes the rpath or runpath setting in a binary.  The rpath, or runpath if it is present, is where  the  runtime linker should look for the libraries needed for a program."
[10:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[10:18] <Riddell> 16MB.  wow, what do these amarok people have in this
[10:20] <seaLne> Riddell: do you know anything abour rpath? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=1
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, exactly
[10:21] <kwwii_> moin
[10:22] <Riddell> seaLne: we don't want it debian packages, is all I know
[10:22] <Riddell> s/debian/.deb/
[10:22] <raphink> hi kwwii
[10:23] <kwwii> hi raphink
[10:26] <seaLne> Riddell: in english is that we don't want ti in the ubuntu packages? :)
[10:26] <Riddell> seaLne: correct
[10:27] <Riddell> although I admit to not really understanding what it's all about
[10:30] <Hobbsee> hah.  finally, my signal strength says 100 - i'm 2-3 metres away from the access point.
[10:32] <Arbiter> uhm..
[10:32] <Riddell> hi Arbiter 
[10:33] <Arbiter> Riddell: i don't like the purple color so much..
[10:33] <Arbiter> :)
[10:33] <Arbiter> (imho of course)
[10:35] <Arbiter> Riddell: if i can give my opinion: i prefer the blue-colored theme
[10:35] <Hobbsee> whine.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> i thought my connection was behaving today
[10:35] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[10:36] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: only my comment about the purple color theme of kubuntu :D
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ah.  which was?
[10:36] <Arbiter> that i prefer the blue color theme :D
[10:36] <Hobbsee> right
[10:36] <Riddell> yuriy: what country do you live in?
[10:37] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[10:37] <Arbiter> last two wallpapers
[10:37] <Hobbsee> mind you, i do think that we should use the flower picture
[10:40] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: the flower picture?
[10:41] <Arbiter> why not a wallpaper with a small kubuntu logo? :)
[10:41] <fritsch> Arbiter: the flower picture rocks, the whole theme look very cool
[10:41] <kwwii> the logos should not be used in the wallpapers (I was told that from sabdfl)
[10:42] <Arbiter> uhm..
[10:42] <kwwii> I will be including several of the new wallpapers in the next few weeks
[10:42] <kwwii> I have kdm and the ksplash done, using them as bg as well
[10:43] <kwwii> if anyone is interested in testing the new stuff, i have tar.gz files with the new stuff on my server (not packages, just the pics)
[10:43] <Arbiter> i'm interested
[10:44] <Arbiter> kwwii: but.. what's your server address? :D
[10:45] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/edgyWallpaper.tar.gz , kwin-style-crystal_kenPics.tar.gz , kubuntu_edgy_kdm.tar.gz , kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz
[10:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii: definetly :)
[10:45] <kwwii> the window buttons need to be put into the right dir in the package and then built in order to test them
[10:45] <kwwii> but the rest can simply be copied to the dir in the running system to change
[10:49] <Arbiter> wallpaper is cool :)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ooh i do love packaging bugs that we fixed for edgy but forgot about for dapper....
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you planning to put the amarok 1.4.2 repo onto kubuntu.org?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> upstream is wanting to know where they can send people for updated debs
[10:53] <kwwii> Riddell is watching a demo atm
[10:56] <Hobbsee> yay. upstream is happy that i fixed the install mp3 support on amarok
[10:57] <kwwii> wow, you made the amarok people happy, not always and easy thing
[10:57] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hehe, true that.
[10:58] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:59] <Arbiter> kwwii: i like the wallpapers :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> hey everyone
[11:26] <kwwii> howdy Tonio_
[11:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: HEY ;)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[11:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hi ;)
[11:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: I really like the window decoration currently
[11:27] <kwwii> Tonio_: cool, good to hear that
[11:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: except maybe the gradient
[11:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: not that I don't like it, but it goes from white to purple
[11:28] <Tonio_> probably white is a "little" bit too clear
[11:28] <Tonio_> but I still like it
[11:28] <kwwii> until now I have only tested it on my laptop, so it might look different on other machines
[11:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: possibly yes
[11:29] <Tonio_> the effect is very cool too :)
[11:29] <kwwii> I think that effect still needs some work, really
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh...so i wasnt the only one to notice that
[11:30] <Hobbsee> it does look veyr nice though :)
[11:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii: were you still thinking of using the flower picture?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: It is the only thing I'm not a real fan
[11:30] <Tonio_> but I globally like the work done :)
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.
[11:31] <kwwii> Hobbsee: not really....it seems to be too complicated for some people
[11:31] <kwwii> I love it though and use it personally on my desktop
[11:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ah okay
[11:31] <Hobbsee> same here :P
[11:32] <kwwii> :-)
[11:46] <Tonio_> hum that deadkey bug on qt makes me crazy
[11:46] <Tonio_> it makes it impossible to write french correctly
[11:47] <Tonio_> I assume the problem is the same for spanish probably since they use accents a lot
[12:07] <Hobbsee> !ping
[12:07] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[12:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what dapper amarok packages do we have?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i would assume, those ones
[12:19] <Hobbsee> you' dhave to ask imbrandon_ - he took care of dapper side
[12:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: since you are very active on malone, would ou like to contribute ?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of bugs to fix?
[12:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[12:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for example bug 56794
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56794 in qt-x11-free "Qt breaks dead keys" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56794
[12:23] <Hobbsee> true
[12:23] <Hobbsee> probably anything that's marked as high
[12:23] <Tonio_> this one makes kubuntu almost unusable for french, belgium, french canadians, spanish etc........
[12:23] <Hobbsee> a whole lot in kdelibs/kdebase
[12:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, and for example concerning the cd not mounting with sata devices, I'll probably contact erwin from kde
[12:24] <Tonio_> the good point is that danimo from kde is aware of the bug and has it too :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> that might help
[12:32] <Sime> Riddell: kde-systemsettings is fixed up and ready to be packaged again.
[12:32] <Tonio_> Sime: concerning the power management entry ?
[12:32] <Tonio_> I though about that this morning :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell!!!!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> backports are working again :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> Sime: I can do the package, but where to grab the source from ? kde svn ?
[12:33] <Sime> Tonio_: and?
[12:33] <Sime> kde svn
[12:33] <Tonio_> Sime: well there is an desktop file to remove
[12:34] <Sime> Tonio_: you are talking about the power management icon in k-s-s? 
[12:34] <Tonio_> yup
[12:34] <Tonio_> Sime: unless there is a kcm module in development :)
[12:34] <Sime> Tonio_: I can easily remove it by editing the menu .xml file from k-s-s.
[12:34] <Sime> Tonio_: not from me
[12:34] <Tonio_> Sime: yes I know but isn't this better to simply remove the entry since we don't use it anomore ?
[12:35] <Tonio_> anymore
[12:35] <kwwii> re
[12:35] <Tonio_> Sime: maybe you wana keep it for other distros...
[12:36] <Sime> Tonio_: The icon can beremvoed by removing it from the kdelibs (or kdebase?) package. But that needs to be done "outside" k-s-s.
[12:36] <Sime> be removed^
[12:37] <Tonio_> Sime: well we don't have it anymore, but it still appears in kss
[12:37] <Tonio_> probably because the desktop file is directly in it's source no ?
[12:37] <Tonio_> Sime: kde-settings-power.directory
[12:37] <Tonio_> this one
[12:37] <Sime> Tonio_: k-s-s still includes it. I can easily remove it from kss, but it will appear in kcontrol.
[12:38] <Tonio_> Sime: nothing in kcontrol currently
[12:38] <Tonio_> there is no more entry since klaptopdaemon has been removed
[12:39] <Tonio_> only k-s-s has an entry due to that file
[12:39] <Tonio_> Sime: the point is if I do the package, I would prefer to have it removed in the tarball than via a rule entry no ?
[12:39] <Tonio_> that's probably cleaner
[12:39] <Tonio_> and this is why I'm asking you your feeling conkcerning this
[12:40] <Tonio_> Sime: hum, which brank on the svn plz ?
[12:40] <Sime> OH!, I you mean that the klaptop stuff is already remvoed from the kde packages in edgy?
[12:40] <Tonio_> exactly ;)
[12:40] <Sime> now I've gotcha.
[12:41] <Tonio_> so we get an entry in systemsettings that givecs a nasty error message while clicking on it :)
[12:41] <Sime> wait a sec as I fix up the menu file.
[12:41] <Tonio_> sure
[12:41] <Tonio_> Sime: you prefer to keep the directory file and remove it from xml files ?
[12:42] <Sime> it is not a directory file, but a normal desktop file. Maybe the klaptop .exe was removed, but not the .desktop file.
[12:45] <Tonio_> Sime: nope it is
[12:45] <Tonio_> here is the strange thing ;)
[12:45] <Sime> anyway, you are looking for /kde/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings
[12:45] <Sime> i just commited the fix.
[12:45] <Tonio_> Sime: laptoppowermanagement.desktop
[12:45] <Tonio_> this file sorry :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> has to be removed from the tree probably
[12:46] <Sime> that's the one.
[12:46] <Tonio_> okay
[12:46] <Sime> it should be in order now.
[12:47] <Tonio_> Sime: I'm packaging
[12:47] <Sime> cool
[12:49] <Tonio_> Sime: what are the changes in svn for changelog ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> Sime: usability I assume ?
[12:51] <Sime> Tonio_: The changes are just a couple of fixes related to 3.5.4 (some .desktop filenames changed), and a fix for the installation (Makefile.am missed a couple of files during install).
[12:52] <Tonio_> Sime: okay thanks
[12:53] <Sime> gotta go, later
[12:53] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdm.png
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks nice :)
[01:22] <Tonio_> Sime: systemsettings/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: AUTO(all-top_systemsettings)
[01:22] <Tonio_> did you change that part ?
[01:22] <imbrandon> moins all
[01:26] <Tonio_> Sime: I have to go but I'll be there this evening to fix this
[01:35] <imbrandon> hrm anyone else haveing problems with python updates today ?
[01:42] <kwwii> http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0821200617613
[01:42] <kwwii> vote for KDE
[01:43] <imbrandon> moins kwwii
[01:43] <kwwii> howdy imbrandon
[01:43] <gnomefreak> wb
[01:43] <Hobbsee> which part of the world should i take over today?
[01:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:43] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: fix python postinst
[01:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:43] <kwwii> imbrandon: thanks for the svg...I will start working on that soon
[01:43] <imbrandon> ahh you welcom kwwii , it was just something i was goofin with, like i said if you dont like it or cant use it no biggie ;)
[01:45] <kwwii> :-)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: crimsun was doing that, i thought
[01:45] <imbrandon> ahh cool becouse its blockin my other updates ;)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cant you do the others around it?  like, try sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[01:50] <imbrandon> nope for some reason it isnt getting past that one
[01:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think there was a work around of it too?  dont really remember
[01:50] <imbrandon> and theres no way to remove that without removeing EVERYTHING
[01:50] <imbrandon> heh
[01:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he's away - work
[02:07] <ryanakca> imbrandon: thanks for the konversation build, no more sigsev, but when you want to look at the logs (Window -> Open Logfile for #channel    or   Ctrl-O), it causes konversation to hang... I end up having to use killall konversation and making a new window
[02:07] <imbrandon> it will hang untill the log is fully opened
[02:08] <imbrandon> thats known there just isnt a dialog saying so
[02:08] <ryanakca> kk
[02:08] <imbrandon> :) thanks though ;0
[02:10] <imbrandon> btw ryanakca amarok is posted too ;)
[02:10] <ryanakca> on your repos?
[02:10] <ryanakca> sweet
[02:10] <imbrandon> yup just add a line with "amarok" instead of "konversation-nightly"
[02:11] <ryanakca> or add "amarok" to the end of the line?
[02:11] <imbrandon> yea ;)
[02:14] <ryanakca> now... I don't want to sound impatient or anything... but can you review eqonomize for me while I'm gone? I'll be back tommorow sometime :)
[02:21] <imbrandon> sure
[02:36] <imbrandon> kwwii: ping
[02:36] <kwwii> imbrandon: pong
[02:37] <imbrandon> heya someon just sent art to the ML that i was gonna ask you about, maybe me and him can collaborate and take some load off ya , heres the deal .....
[02:37] <imbrandon> you know all the html start pages for akrogaots kmail konq etc
[02:38] <imbrandon> he was asking about those, and i was wondering the same thin, i can get him on irc and we can get it all changed and i can send patches to riddell if you are working on other stuff
[02:38] <kwwii> Riddell: kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz
[02:39] <imbrandon> if thats cool by you, basicly leaving them the same just "purpleizing them"
[02:39] <kwwii> Riddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz
[02:39] <kwwii> imbrandon: we should definitely change them
[02:39] <kwwii> make them purple
[02:39] <kwwii> I wanted to do that after the guidance stuff
[02:40] <kwwii> need to make the interface pics for guidance too
[02:40] <imbrandon> ok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ?
[02:40] <kwwii> yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc
[02:40] <imbrandon> ok
[02:40] <imbrandon> i'll reply to him asking him to pop in irc and colab 
[02:41] <imbrandon> i'll see what we can get done for you today
[02:43] <kwwii> imbrandon: cool, I started a mail to the list to respond to his
[02:43] <kwwii> killler, that would be excellent!
[02:44] <imbrandon> k just replyd with ...
[02:44] <imbrandon> Heya Nathan, yes they sure are getting "purpleized" , Ken and Riddell and I were working on just that infact on IRC and would welcome the help, stop on by #kubuntu-devel on freenode and we'll all get togather and tackle this today ;)
[02:44] <imbrandon> add what ever else you want ;)
[02:44] <Riddell> ?
[02:45] <imbrandon> Riddell: ?
[02:45] <imbrandon> heh
[02:45] <Riddell> oh I'm with you now
[02:45] <yuriy> Riddell: i'm in MA, USA (so you asked at 4am)
[02:45] <Riddell> yuriy: US citizenship too?
[02:45] <Riddell> (google wants to know)
[02:45] <kwwii> damn americans
[02:45] <yuriy> Riddell: yeah
[02:46] <Riddell> yuriy: thanks
[02:46] <kwwii> (myself being american as well)
[02:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: hehe did you get the url with amarok ? kamoin approved it pending you giving it a spin ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> hehe kwwii
[02:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, it's next on my todo list
[02:47] <imbrandon> np , no worries just making sure it got to ya
[02:48] <imbrandon> maybe by the edgy+1 dev sprint i'll be in -core-dev and wont bug you quite as much hehehe
[02:52] <kwwii_> Riddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they're mean and nasty over that, be careful :P
[02:55] <imbrandon> hehehehe ;P
[02:55] <imbrandon> gah
[03:09] <seaLne> how do i integrate a changelog from debian when i'm not applying the thing that it does (k3b rpath)?
[03:12] <imbrandon> hrm seaLne no idea
[03:13] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna take a small 1 hour nap, i woke up too early , see yall in just a little while
[03:27] <seaLne> are the dapper-changes mails about backports mean proper backports are working
[03:28] <imbrandon> yea proper backports are working now
[03:28] <imbrandon> a few things have already been pushed this moringn
[03:28] <seaLne> i wonder why k3b was picked
[03:29] <Hobbsee> because it already had a report against it?
[03:29] <imbrandon> there was a backport report for it
[03:29] <seaLne> where are backport reports?
[03:29] <imbrandon> kbfx got push finaly too
[03:29] <imbrandon> seaLne: anyone can file htem as long as you test and provide the right info and get a MOTU or -core-dev to ack it
[03:29] <Hobbsee> seaLne: malone
[03:30] <imbrandon> then backport team looks it over
[03:30] <seaLne> Hobbsee: yeah but how do i see them?
[03:30] <imbrandon> they are bugs againts the product dapper-backports
[03:30] <Hobbsee> check what's subscribed to ubuntu-backporters
[03:30] <freeflying> just back from oss meeting in China, ubuntu attended 
[03:31] <seaLne> Hobbsee: ta
[03:31] <Hobbsee> freeflying: nice!  how'dit go?
[03:31] <imbrandon> seaLne: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs
[03:31] <seaLne> yeah it was the "product dapper-backports" i didn't know
[03:32] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ubuntu's topic is great,  hehe, but the time is too short 
[03:32] <freeflying> imbrandon: seaLne hi
[03:32] <imbrandon> heay freeflying
[03:32] <seaLne> freeflying: hiya
[03:32] <imbrandon> brb i'm gonna take that nap
[03:33] <freeflying> seaLne: sorry, I owe you traslation  :P
[03:33] <seaLne> freeflying: yeah :) and the previous ones disapeared
[03:34] <freeflying> seaLne: why?
[03:34] <seaLne> the website changed to a wiki
[03:34] <imbrandon> hello nathan
[03:34] <seaLne> the website you had them on
[03:34] <n8k99> hi there ready for purpleizing
[03:35] <n8k99> btw brandon - did you build amarok 142 for ppc?
[03:35] <freeflying> seaLne: I see,  :)
[03:35] <imbrandon> heh ;) i was just heading out for about an hour, maybe less, kwwii_ ( a.k.a ken ) is here too 
[03:35] <imbrandon> n8k99: its building now
[03:35] <imbrandon> it will be uploaded in a bit
[03:35] <n8k99> sweet!
[03:36] <Riddell> "Backports resurrected" yay!
[03:36] <n8k99> so which image should i get started with purpling
[03:36] <imbrandon> anyhow as i was saying i'm heading out for about an hour, gather what you have done so far and we'll get this knocked out ;)
[03:36] <imbrandon> n8k99: lets start with konq
[03:36] <kwwii_> hi nathan
[03:37] <imbrandon> n8k99: i'll do the html stuff and you can handel the images ok ?
[03:37] <n8k99> hi kwwii
[03:37] <imbrandon> anyhow bbiab
[03:37] <n8k99> ok
[03:37] <kwwii_> see you imbrandon
[03:37] <kwwii_> thanks to both of you :-)
[03:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: ya yay\0/ , that was the first mail i woke upto this morning
[03:38] <imbrandon> i was happy
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah!  :D
[03:38] <Hobbsee> :
[03:38] <Hobbsee> *"
[03:39] <imbrandon> n8k99: my ppc compile box is kinda slow ( 800mhz ) it will be done and uploaded in about 2 hours ( but i'll ping you too when it is )
[03:39] <Riddell> //////dddddddddddd
[03:40] <n8k99> imbrandon_: yay!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> meow!
[03:41] <n8k99>   is there a website/wiki entry with rgb numbers for how purple things are to be?
[03:41] <Riddell> n8k99: http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc
[03:42] <imbrandon> [07:39]  <imbrandon> ok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ?
[03:42] <imbrandon> [07:40]  <kwwii> yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc
[03:42] <imbrandon> [07:40]  <imbrandon> ok
[03:42] <imbrandon> heh
[03:45] <n8k99> i'm sorry what was that lauchpad link again - little crash over here
[03:45] <Riddell> 14:42 < imbrandon> [07:40]  <kwwii> yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc
[03:45] <n8k99> thanks
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ooh, yeah!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your thoughts on backporting kopete?
[03:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes please
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what happens with the kopete in kdenetwork?
[03:47] <Riddell> it doesn't get made
[03:47] <Riddell> I think for kde 3.5.5 it'll be kopete 0.12.2
[03:47] <Riddell> but we won't use it
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so what about the current dapper versions?  version it as kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1~dapper1 or something?
[03:50] <Riddell> same as it is in edgy with ~dapper1
[03:50] <Riddell> the backports team will care about that
[03:50] <Riddell> we just care that it compiles
[03:53] <Hobbsee> right
[03:54] <abattoir_> Riddell: oem-config works properly now. :)
[03:58] <Riddell> abattoir: rock!
[03:58] <Riddell> abattoir: is your bzr archive up to te?
[03:58] <Riddell> date?
[03:58] <abattoir> Riddell: nope, i'll do it now...
[03:58] <abattoir> Riddell: i just found a couple of bugs though :(
[03:59] <Riddell> abattoir: thanks, I'll try and look at that after I do amarok
[03:59] <abattoir> Riddell: hitting back in the 2nd step changes dbfilter to None...
[03:59] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu4ever.png
[04:00] <abattoir> Riddell: and in the last step, the UI closes even if the password/verify password entries arent the same...
[04:00] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll try to fix those and then upload.
[04:01] <Riddell> cool
[04:13] <seaLne> does anyone know anything about movix?
[04:14] <Riddell> not I
[04:16] <Hobbsee> definetly not i
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hence i should not be interviewed!  :P
[04:16] <Riddell> yay, interview Hobbsee!
[04:17] <Riddell> who's interviewing Hobbsee?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: some people at SLUG are wanting to
[04:17] <Riddell> ah yes, slug, their IRC channel always used to confuse me when I was trying to find the Scottish LUG irc channel
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:17] <Sime> S=Sydney?
[04:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what sort of interview?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: one in person, i think
[04:18] <Riddell> so not quite the same as behindubuntu
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, would be a spoken interview
[04:19] <Hobbsee> dont give those behindubuntu people ideas!  :P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Sime: yes
[04:30] <n8k99> i think i have a purple png for konqi
[04:31] <n8k99> where do you want me to put it?
[04:31] <seaLne> Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b
[04:31] <kwwii_> well, send it to imbrandon and myself
[04:31] <kwwii_> or post it to the ubuntu-artwork list
[04:33] <Riddell> hmm, two branches of k3b
[04:33] <seaLne> ?
[04:34] <seaLne> oops KDE
[04:35] <seaLne> Riddell: ok fixing
[04:37] <Riddell> :)
[04:41] <viper550> Hello everyone1
[04:42] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:42] <viper550> Sorry, that 1 was supposed to be a "!"
[04:42] <seaLne> Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b
[04:42] <viper550> I've noticed that alot of people have been disapointed about Kubuntu once they load up a GTK app like Firefox and notice it looks very ugly
[04:43] <n8k99> imbrandon_: hey let me know if this will work https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=top-right-konqueror.png
[04:43] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm onto it
[04:43] <seaLne> viper550: well use KDE apps rather than the ugly GTK ones
[04:43] <viper550> In the words of Paris Hilton, that's hot!
[04:44] <viper550> Also, some people just prefer Firefox over Konqueror...
[04:44] <n8k99> who is paris talking to?
[04:44] <seaLne> n8k99: is the mouse pointer on the globe part of it?
[04:44] <viper550> I'm talking about the new purple graphic, looks hot!
[04:45] <n8k99> yeah - i just took the original png as is in my dapper and made some color shifts with the gimp
[04:45] <seaLne> strange never noticed it before :)
[04:45] <n8k99> no actual work was done!!
[04:45] <n8k99> neither had i
[04:46] <n8k99> but each app, kmail, aggregakor, etc has its own little icon there
[04:46] <n8k99> the globe is part of konqi's
[04:46] <Hobbsee> viper550: true that.  it doesnt acutally build with a qt engine at all, or didnt.  there are a few packages that make it look more kde-ish though
[04:46] <Hobbsee> they actually look mostly kde-ish :D
[04:47] <n8k99> which other app should i work on now?
[04:47] <viper550> I think my idea is to use a brand new theme called QtCurve, I'm working on a mockup with it right now!
[04:48] <Riddell> viper550: better to port plastik to gtk
[04:48] <viper550> Man, Konversation is such a memory hog...
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ! 
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_!
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the switch to plastik causing an issue ?
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, not tried it yet
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: comment ca va kio-locate?
[04:49] <Tonio_> well, I'm using firefox here and didn't look anything special
[04:50] <Tonio_> looks normal, meaning beatifull kde style and horrible gtk dialog boxes ;)
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: kio-locate has been uploaded this night
[04:50] <Riddell> cool
[04:50] <Tonio_> since I got my key back
[04:50] <Tonio_> I'm trying to understand that deadkey bug on qt
[04:51] <Riddell> I saw that in a magazine here
[04:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: the deadkey problem ?
[04:51] <Riddell> I think so, but not speaking german I didn't see any more than deadkey, qt and kcontrol
[04:52] <Tonio_> sure. the point is that english speaking people will not see it, but for most european languages, that a pain...
[04:52] <Riddell> oui
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell is in he's french day ;)
[04:53] <Tonio_> on va faire comme a Riddell. Tout en Franais aujourd'hui
[04:54] <Riddell> well all the germans here are talking in german and I can't understand them, so if I talk in French they can't understand me
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't german supposed to be good in english ?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ...so they should just all speak english and be done with it.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, german and english arent really compatible
[04:55] <Hobbsee> i found, anyway...
[04:55] <Tonio_> afaik they are better than french to speak other languages :)
[04:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you can't imagin the french people then
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that.  the only person i know who speaks a bit of french is my mother.
[04:56] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:56] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[04:56] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho !!! then can'T understand you :) I missed the "t" :)
[04:56] <Tonio_> yop bddebian
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_, Riddell
[05:00] <viper550> Hello again...
[05:01] <Riddell> seaLne: "apart from RPATH" why apart from it?
[05:01] <seaLne> you said not to
[05:02] <Riddell> no, I said we want to not have rpath
[05:02] <seaLne> the "sync" consisted of copying the changelog
[05:02] <Viper550> Okay, wondering another reason I suggest switching to QtCurve as our theme?
[05:03] <Riddell> Viper550: we don't want a gnome theme as our default theme
[05:03] <seaLne> Riddell: ok to clarify the RPATH changes *should* go in then?
[05:03] <n8k99> is plastik a gnome theme?
[05:03] <Viper550> It's not a Gnome theme, it's a KDE style, but it can also be dynamically applied to GTK applications
[05:03] <Riddell> seaLne: correct.  we're getting confused with double negatives here :)
[05:03] <n8k99> oh - i usually use baghira 
[05:04] <Riddell> seaLne: their change removes rpath from k3b, which is a good thing that we want
[05:04] <Viper550> But also, it has alot of options for configuration
[05:04] <Riddell> n8k99: plastik is the KDE theme
[05:04] <seaLne> Riddell: *grumble* :)
[05:04] <Riddell> seaLne: I can add the rpath change, it's very small
[05:04] <Riddell> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=1  yes?
[05:04] <Viper550> I've got it with a very nice gloss motif!
[05:05] <n8k99> Riddell: i switched to that today to work 
[05:05] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Viper550: really, why not go with whatever looks best?
[05:05] <seaLne> Riddell: ok i can easily do it
[05:05] <Hobbsee> as long as it's not a straight gnome theme :P
[05:05] <Viper550> It does look best. It's not a straight Gnome theme, the GTK engine part is optional.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> mind you, they dont tend to look very nice anyway, so i suspect we're pretty safe
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Viper550: screenshot?
[05:05] <Viper550> Let me fire up Ksnapshot...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Viper550: and if it could be applied to GTK apps, does that mean it gets applied to ff and the like, by default?
[05:06] <Viper550> Yes.
[05:06] <Viper550> The QtCurve GTK theme reads the configuration from the QtCurve KDE theme, making it look almost exactly the same!
[05:07] <n8k99> finished with the default images in /konqueror/about/
[05:07] <n8k99> put them on my launchpad page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode#preview
[05:08] <Viper550> Just let me post the screenshot to Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[05:08] <Hobbsee> n8k99: the left one looks pretty
[05:09] <n8k99> thanks
[05:09] <n8k99> ima try to make that for all the apps
[05:13] <Viper550> I just committed my QtCurve screenshot to the Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas page
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Viper550: link?
[05:14] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[05:15] <Viper550> Man, is it me, or is the wiki slow today?
[05:15] <Riddell> seaLne: I've done it, recompiling to make sure it doesn't break
[05:15] <Viper550> Or just plain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=qtcurve_keramik.png
[05:16] <n8k99> that page has lots of data on it, what with full sized wallpapers and such 
[05:16] <seaLne> Riddell: ok
[05:16] <Viper550> (if you don't like loading)
[05:16] <seaLne> Riddell: did you just delete the apart from rpath bit in the changelog?
[05:16] <Riddell> yes
[05:16] <Riddell> and added those chrpath lines
[05:17] <seaLne> and to configure?
[05:17] <Viper550> So, you like it?
[05:17] <Tonio_> Sime: ping ?
[05:18] <Riddell> Viper550: ug
[05:19] <Viper550> Why ugh?
[05:19] <Viper550> Is Keramik not in style anymore?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> interesting
[05:20] <Hobbsee> i swear those buttons look like KDE 1 or KDE 2 though.
[05:20] <Viper550> Actually, KDE 3.0, Plastik didn't come til 3.2 I think...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> never used kde 3.0 :P
[05:21] <Viper550> Keremik still comes with KDE 3.x
[05:21] <n8k99> i think that the window decoration and the menu background run together too much
[05:21] <n8k99> maybe if the menu bar were more grey/purple
[05:21] <Viper550> But, that's the point!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> that's what i was thinking of when i asked for purple :)
[05:22] <Viper550> The effect just doesn't work very good with Crystal
[05:22] <n8k99> i like the tone level - just not the real-estate covered
[05:23] <Viper550> Would it work if the colors were a bit different?
[05:24] <n8k99> i think it would work if there were two tones for the different areas
[05:24] <n8k99> dark shade on win deco and lighter for menu bg
[05:24] <Viper550> Are the different areas the main background and the "bubble" with the title?
[05:26] <kwwii_> Tonio_: ping?
[05:26] <Riddell> seaLne: k3b uploaded, thanks
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_!
[05:26] <kwwii_> howdy Hobbsee
[05:26] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: so after googling for you name, I cannot find a picture of you! how in the world did you pull off doing sooo much work for kubuntu and not having one pic of yourself anywhere?
[05:27] <Riddell> seaLne: you can close the bug, and it might be a candidate to backport if you have time to see if it comopiles on dapper
[05:27] <seaLne> yeah it was bad timing that .16 got into backports
[05:27] <kwwii_> Tonio_: we need to change the knotes default settings from "fancy style" to "plain style" ... could you take care of that?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: did you find much under my real name, btw?
[05:28] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: nothing that tells me it is you
[05:28] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: unless you are a famous old woman
[05:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: true that - that's because i tend to keep my real name pretty quiet, and my image
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hehe - i'm no artist, that's for sure
[05:28] <kwwii_> heheh
[05:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: the reason i keep such things quiet is because of things like this:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html
[05:30] <Hobbsee> a couple of pics are at 
[05:30] <Hobbsee> http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9838/hobbseecar10ii.jpg
[05:30] <Hobbsee> http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3909/hobbseecar22fk.jpg
[05:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I already did in the past but Riddell rejected that hehe :)
[05:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: now you can decide, I'll do this, yes
[05:30] <Tonio_> I hate the fancy style og knotes
[05:31] <Viper550> Nice Car, now if only we could make Kubuntu look as good as it! :D
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Viper550: hehe.  it's a nice car when it *goes*
[05:32] <Viper550> ...used...
[05:32] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: those are very nice pics :-)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: thankyou
[05:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: did you read the log?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: and now do you understand why i tend to keep such things quiet?
[05:33] <kwwii_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html does not work
[05:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: ahh...
[05:33] <kwwii_> Tonio_: please, if you can, change it
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't remember discussing knotes ever
[05:34] <kwwii_> nothing worse than a forgetfull scotsman with poor taste in art :p
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: we didn't discuss this, but you removed it from a debdiff I sent to you :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: http://pastebin.ca/147678
[05:35] <Tonio_> maybe the fact we never discussed this is the reason you didn't accept hehe ;)
[05:35] <Viper550> Knotes handbook does have the blue graphics...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: didnt realise raft.net killed off pastes so quick
[05:35] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:35] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the yellow color, maybe we can change it a bit
[05:35] <Viper550> But, Sticky Notes are supposed to be Yellow!
[05:36] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: as long as you don't talk about my man boobs I won't mention the word again :p
[05:36] <kwwii_> don't worry, /me is married with child
[05:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: heh.  it's more the fact that that stuff happens at all, which is why i tend to keep all of those details relatively quiet
[05:37] <kwwii_> yeah, that is freaky
[05:37] <kwwii_> I cannot imagine someone doing that
[05:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: not that abnormal.
[05:37] <kwwii_> thank god I am not a woman :-)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hah!
[05:38] <Viper550> So, think the Keramik+QtCurve idea is a good one?
[05:38] <Hobbsee>  /rant
[05:38] <Viper550> Or, I could try and make an overlay for Crystal to make the gradient look like it...
[05:38] <Hobbsee> heya jdong|coreduo 
[05:38] <kwwii_> Viper550: well, Keramik was default for kde a long time ago, so I know that we will not want to use that
[05:38] <jdong|coreduo> hey Hobbsee
[05:38] <Hobbsee> jdong|coreduo: i warn you now, i want to backport kopete ;)
[05:38] <jdong|coreduo> lol
[05:39] <jdong|coreduo> is it possible for us to bump k3b's kdelibs4-dev deps back down
[05:39] <Viper550> But, I actually think it looks a bit better than Plastik, Plastik is boring and conservative, and Crystal's buttons are all whacked up
[05:39] <jdong|coreduo> so it'd backport?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> jdong|coreduo: dont know yet
[05:39] <Hobbsee> i would think so
[05:39] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:40] <Viper550> It's original and creative! Also, it looks nice with the Crystal icons
[05:40] <kwwii_> Viper550: the style kinda looks like winXP media center edition widgets
[05:40] <Tonio_> kwwii_: want to keep the original color or no ?
[05:40] <Viper550> Tonio_: So, you are comparing it to Royale?
[05:40] <Tonio_> Viper550: ?
[05:40] <kwwii_> Viper550: actually, we are working on a new style, which is being made by the person who made keramik and it looks pretty nice
[05:40] <Viper550> Royale is the offical name for that theme.
[05:41] <kwwii_> Tonio_: I think we can change the color too, let me test it
[05:41] <Viper550> Hold it, are there any pictures yet?
[05:41] <Tonio_> kwwii_: sure
[05:41] <Hobbsee> !info libgadu-dev
[05:41] <ubotu> libgadu-dev: Gadu-Gadu protocol library - development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6+20051103-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 123 kB, installed size 536 kB
[05:41] <Hobbsee> !info ekiga
[05:41] <ubotu> ekiga: Free Your Speech. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 3572 kB, installed size 12188 kB
[05:42] <Hobbsee> !info libslp-dev
[05:42] <ubotu> libslp-dev: OpenSLP development libraries. In component main, is extra. Version 1.2.1-5 (dapper), package size 60 kB, installed size 244 kB
[05:42] <Hobbsee> jdong|coreduo: i would expect it to backport, i'll test build overnight
[05:42] <kwwii_> Tonio_: can you change the bg color? in my version I change the color in the settings but it does not actually change anything
[05:42] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes I can
[05:42] <Tonio_> #FFFFB5
[05:43] <Tonio_> I like this colour
[05:43] <jdong|coreduo> Hobbsee: k3b backports fine, as long as the kdelibs4-dev dep is relaxed
[05:43] <jdong|coreduo> and from what I see, it was tightened for Edgy-specific build reasons
[05:43] <Tonio_> yellow too, but by far better for the eyes
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !info kdelibs4-dev
[05:44] <ubotu> kdelibs4-dev: development files for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 1320 kB, installed size 7516 kB
[05:44] <Hobbsee> kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.0) is the dep.
[05:44] <Tonio_> kwwii_: once background is changed, create a new note to see the colour
[05:44] <Hobbsee> shouldnt be a problem...
[05:45] <carsten> Viper550: are you really expecting us to answer within 30 seconds?
[05:45] <Viper550> No.
[05:45] <carsten> good :)
[05:45] <Viper550> I'll wait as long as I have to...
[05:46] <seaLne> jdong|coreduo: don't bother backporting the new k3b yet i have a few things i'm going to fix in it bug wise
[05:46] <jdong|coreduo> seaLne:  alright
[05:46] <Tonio_> kwwii_: here are the settings I use for knotes : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[05:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: nice
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: as for bugs i'd like to kill off.  i'd like to get printing* fixed, the mounting fixed including floppy disks, etc - all mounted as intended, i'd like to see kdesu work all the time (dotn know if we'll get that one, if it's an ustream problem), 
[05:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, that's hudge, but these are the most major bugs
[05:48] <kwwii_> Tonio_: funny, enough that is almost exactly the color I picked :-)
[05:48] <Tonio_> kdesu fails the first time you launch an app, I don't understand why
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, exactly
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's the stuff that if we have time/people/expertise to throw at them, i'd like to see fixed the most
[05:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's prepare a wikipage toonight are you okay ?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: depends when tonight is - i'm going to go to bed pretty soon - it's almsot 2am again
[05:49] <Tonio_> there are very long time bugs that really to get love :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> yes, definetly
[05:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, what time is it for you ?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 25 2006, 01:50:09
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^  almost 2am
[05:50] <Tonio_> kwwii_: let's use this maybe ?
[05:50] <kwwii_> Tonio_: definitely
[05:50] <Hobbsee> if we could sort media:/ stuff out too, that'd be cool
[05:50] <kwwii_> :-)
[05:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh..... okay let's rediscuss this tomorrow then :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, okay
[05:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i could think about it over work :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: my boss will like that :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> (shudder.  my boss will be there.  eek)
[05:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: great then ;)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> (and she wont be happy with me due to me not going into work today, too.  double eek)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:53] <Hobbsee> anyway, bedtime.  i shall see how kopete behaves in the morning
[05:54] <Viper550> I'm going to try and make some mods to Keremik
[06:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning all those mounting issues (sata devices and floppy), shouldn't we contact kevin ottens maybe ?
[06:04] <Tonio_> because we don't have that much time before the release now....
[06:05] <Tonio_> he is the most acknoledge for this
[06:06] <freeflying> Riddell: Guidance Power Manager will show on a desktop install
[06:06] <freeflying> Riddell: is this a bug?
[06:07] <Tonio_> freeflying: will it ?
[06:08] <freeflying> Tonio_: ya, a desktop installed edgy show it in system tray
[06:08] <Tonio_> freeflying: afaik, klaptop was a kde service just because of this
[06:09] <Tonio_> freeflying: indeed that's not very nice
[06:10] <freeflying> Tonio_: sure, so I wanna know is that a bug
[06:10] <Tonio_> freeflying: only Riddell can answer :)
[06:11] <freeflying> Tonio_: seems Riddell not around now  :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> kwwii_: kds uploaded
[06:12] <kwwii_> cool :-) thanks!
[06:13] <freeflying> amarok-1.4.2 for ppc is ready, anyone need?
[06:13] <freeflying> imbrandon: ping
[06:14] <kwwii_> freeflying: I could try it out :-)
[06:14] <freeflying> kwwii_: how can I give you  :)
[06:28] <n8k99> imbrandon_: check out this work please https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: Lots of work has been done on debian's qt package...
[06:29] <Tonio_> I'm trying it since it might resolve lots of issues, and more than this related to fonts (arabic mostly)
[06:29] <Tonio_> we have a launchpad bug concerning this
[06:32] <kwwii_> n8k99: the kmail header seems to have a lighter purple than the rest (which is better)
[06:33] <kwwii_> not sure exactly how purple we should make them
[06:33] <n8k99> i had some trouble matching tones cause i closed my .xcf for konqi b4 i started the others
[06:33] <n8k99>  ;( 
[06:39] <n8k99> must take daughter 2 playground bbs
[06:45] <exobuzz> the current edgy kdm look is excellent! Much better than the heavy purple
[06:45] <exobuzz> and i like the default kde background too. its quite unusual colouring, but it works
[06:47] <exobuzz> one thing i'm not keen on is the kde fonts. they look autohinted so bold fonts look really bad (much too bold). would that be a settings within kde or with fontconfig (i have set fontconfig to not use hinting.. so i assume its in the kde config ?)
[06:47] <kwwii_> do you mean in kde or in kdm?
[06:48] <exobuzz> in kde.. kdm fonts look fine
[06:48] <kwwii_> hehe, on your machine :-)
[06:48] <exobuzz> i really prefer how fonts looked in dapper/breezy etc
[06:48] <kwwii_> I am not sure that anything changed
[06:49] <exobuzz> hmm.. maybe something weird is going on with fontconfig..
[06:49] <kwwii_> there appear to be problems there, but it should be fixed before release
[06:49] <exobuzz> anyway.. is the kdm look/feel just a test? or is this approved. i love it..
[06:50] <kwwii_> hehe, I approved it today :-)
[06:50] <exobuzz> great!
[06:50] <kwwii_> I will still test some different bg ideas though
[06:50] <kwwii_> different color gradients in that same pics
[06:50] <kwwii_> s/pics'/pic
[06:50] <exobuzz> there was a small glitch with the right of the screen during the kde loading phase. it had a piece of the kde background there. but i need to check again
[06:51] <exobuzz> im a glasses wearer, so you can't trust everything i say :D
[06:52] <exobuzz> ive got to kill x a moment. i want to gaze at kdm's beauty again...
[06:54] <exobuzz> yup.. :D
[06:54] <kwwii_> I am really happy to hear that you like it :-)
[06:56] <Sime> Tonio_: pong
[06:57] <exobuzz> i dont have usplash running. are there any example gfx on the wiki or mockups how it will look ?
[06:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: we already have a patch for arabic fonts
[06:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: but sure, if there's good stuff in debian we should merge
[06:59] <Riddell> freeflying: I've not yet found the best way to work out if power manager should show, I may well use just laptop-detect
[06:59] <kwwii_> ok, /me is out
[06:59] <kwwii_> bye all
[06:59] <exobuzz> bye
[07:00] <Riddell> exobuzz: you just made kwwii's day :)
[07:00] <exobuzz> :)
[07:01] <exobuzz> i hope usplash look will  be livened up a little bit too..
[07:02] <exobuzz> i mean.. it needs a balance between being informative too..
[07:03] <Riddell> there's a new high-res usplash but we don't know if it'll stay because it might break some syste
[07:03] <Riddell> systems
[07:04] <exobuzz> i have usplash off as the first time i booted it displayed and then froze :/
[07:04] <exobuzz> need to retest though..
[07:05] <Riddell> that'll be the sort of problem then :
[07:05] <Riddell> :)
[07:05] <exobuzz> :)
[07:05] <exobuzz> probably the laptops fault. like most laptops designed for windows, the bios is quite broken 
[07:10] <exobuzz> the kubuntu wiki is very slow :/
[07:24] <Sime> Riddell: ping
[07:32] <Sime> so, who *is* here.
[07:50] <Sime> seaLne: were you having a problem with blank CDs being mounted?
[07:50] <seaLne> yes
[07:51] <Sime> I put a blank CD in just then, and it wasn't automatically mounted.
[07:51] <seaLne> it didn't show up when you typed mount?
[07:52] <seaLne> just checking we were testing the same sort of way
[07:53] <Sime> ok, disk inserted..... waiting.
[07:53] <Sime> it appeared in system:/media as a blank CD.
[07:54] <Sime> mount says that it is not mounted.
[07:54] <Sime> kde's mediamanager also says that it is not mounted.
[07:54] <Sime> this is a CD-R.
[07:54] <seaLne> i was using a cdrw, just blanking and i'll test again in a min
[07:57] <seaLne> weird its not doing it today
[07:58] <Sime> BTW, if you try to open a blank CD in system:/media/ or media:/, it will get automatically mounted.
[07:59] <seaLne> it happened to me 3 times yesterday
[08:00] <seaLne> i guess forget about it
[08:03] <Sime> media:/ mounts things on-demand. WHile the new kio patches mount things after they are inserted, except for blank disks.
[08:03] <Sime> so there is a slight difference in behaviour there.
[08:04] <seaLne> btw is there a way to stop that? i hardly ever read cds and mainly just burn things to cdrw so having to unmount is annoying
[08:05] <seaLne> not that thats very normal usage :)
[08:07] <Sime> why do you need to unmount? (the eject button on you drive should work ok)
[08:07] <seaLne> to burn a cd
[08:07] <seaLne> cdrw
[08:09] <seaLne> i suppose this would infact cause problems for anyone reusing a cdrw
[08:09] <mornfall> it also will cause problems if you want to copy a cd
[08:09] <Sime> possibly.
[08:09] <mornfall> 1:1
[08:10] <allee> FWIW: in breezy we also had automount and I hated it.  Don
[08:10] <allee> The dialog in dapper was fine IMHO
[08:10] <seaLne> i think the popup was good, if users wanted to allways automount they could tick the box
[08:11] <mornfall> i don't like popups, would prefer to see an icon appearing (for me in kicker, for many people on desktop) :-)
[08:11] <Sime> mornfall: you can easily set that up.
[08:11] <mornfall> probably :)
[08:11] <Sime> mornfall: add the "Storage Media" applet to your kicker
[08:12] <allee> mornfall: icons are too hiden.  And using RMB to get an action list if even more hidden.
[08:12] <mornfall> well, clicking it should mount+show :)
[08:13] <mornfall> and things should umount themselves when you stop using them (ala autofs)
[08:13] <Sime> allee, mornfall : you two should really check out the "Storage Media" applet
[08:13] <mornfall> Sime: i personally don't care much, just trying to hypothesize of best default UI ;-)
[08:13] <seaLne> it looks quite nice
[08:13] <allee> mornfall: well, one may want to mount or reformat (k3b of kformat) an RW media
[08:13] <mornfall> allee: well, yes
[08:14] <mornfall> that would be a nice thing to be able to do from konq on a mounted medium
[08:14] <allee> Sime: doesn't storage media applet just open(ed) konqy with media:/  now /media?
[08:14] <mornfall> click the thing and have the actions as well as content handy
[08:14] <Sime> storage media applet isn't patched yet. (Working on it!)
[08:16] <allee> You mean 'system menu' kicker button, then 'Storage media' item will habe submenu (devices) and subsub menues (actions) ?
[08:17] <Sime> there are two applets. The system menu and the storage media. Both need patching.
[08:18] <Sime> system menu is the HOme, Storage Media, Remote Places, Trash etc applet.
[08:18] <Sime> Lure wants the storage media one too.
[08:22] <allee> Sime: will your patches version somehow handle the case of several partitions better?  E.g,. inserting an USB disk with 6 partitions floods desktop with dialogs  and the old 'media action dialog' shows not enough info which partition it is :(
[08:23] <Sime> I've need seen a USB disk with multipe partitions...
[08:23] <Sime> i know it is possible.
[08:23] <allee> but most annoying is that an dialog does not go away when an medium is  removed
[08:23] <allee> Sime: come to my office.  And I show you some of them ;)
[08:24] <Sime> that's a bit of an extreme case though.
[08:24] <Sime> which is my polite way of saying "It ain't high on my TODO list buddy!"
[08:25] <allee> yeap, but even with 2 or 3  which happened with some USB sticks we bought, multiple dialog are hard to identify (no tool tip, no device name, mime-type etc info anywhere)
[08:26] <allee> Sime: fair enough;)  As long as it's nibbling in the back of your head ;)
[08:27] <Sime> :)
[08:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping ping ping :|
[08:51] <apachelogger> anyway
[08:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: 354 for dapper is having a dep issue: kdelibs4c2a depends on cupsys2 >= 1.2.1, but dapper only ships 1.2.0
[09:03] <crimsun> do you have dapper-updates enabled?
[09:19] <Tuxist> hi
[09:20] <Tuxist> is a amarok developer here
[09:20] <Tuxist> packager sorry
[09:22] <fdoving> Tuxist: danimo and imbrandon i think.
[09:23] <Tuxist> i have been made new amarok 14.2 packages with helix, libmtp, smb and nfs support based on imbrandon packages 
[09:27] <apachelogger> crimsun: hehe, a user having that problem - though - YOUR DA KING :D
[09:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: forget about it ;-)
[09:27] <apachelogger> fdoving: and hobbsee
[09:29] <Tuxist> ftp://tuxist.de/Bildschirmphoto8.png
[09:29] <apachelogger> bildschirm is always good :D
[09:30] <apachelogger> Tuxist: smb and nfs support?
[09:30] <fdoving> apachelogger: ok, copy that :)
[09:30] <Tuxist> yes
[09:30] <Tuxist> i upload the packages at this moment
[09:31] <apachelogger> what for smb and nfs support?
[09:31] <apachelogger> or actually, how smb and nfs support?
[09:31] <Tuxist> since 1.4.2
[09:31] <Tuxist> libmtp is recommend for my packages
[09:31] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:32] <apachelogger> Tuxist: still don't get that
[09:33] <fdoving> isn't smb and nfs handled with the kio slaves? 
[09:33] <Tuxist> ftp://tuxist.de/edgy/libmtp
[09:33] <Tuxist> amarok is uploading
[09:33] <apachelogger> fdoving: neither xine nor helix nor nmm do support kio
[09:33] <Tuxist> i have in moment only amd64 packages
[09:34] <apachelogger> so only mounted nfs or smb will work
[09:34] <fdoving> apachelogger: so, amarok has a proxy thing? 
[09:34] <apachelogger> oha
[09:34] <apachelogger> fdoving: does have, though I think the kio stuff is not throwing through it
[09:35] <fdoving> ok.
[09:35] <fdoving> i actually don't use amarok anymore.
[09:36] <fdoving> mpd+kmp fits my usage better.
[09:36] <apachelogger> you'd think different if I would get nmm to build properly
[09:37] <apachelogger> I think I'll just rape the nmm package in case it ever gets finished ;-)
[09:37] <fdoving> nmm ? 
 * nmm = http://www.networkmultimedia.org/  [added by: apachelog] 
[09:39] <Tuxist> ok i change this
[09:39] <fdoving> i like that i can start MPD on the machine connected to the stereo.. and start clients from all computers in the network.
[09:40] <apachelogger> fdoving: nmm is basically doing the same, just that it's better and has an amarok engine :P
[09:41] <fdoving> sounds nice.
[09:41] <fdoving> can you easily have console-clients and webinterfaces too like mpd?
[09:43] <apachelogger> I at least think so
[09:43] <Tuxist> i must download 54mb with dsl 4000 :-(
[09:43] <apachelogger> wasn't able to try as I didn't got it build properly :P
[09:43] <apachelogger> I probably should try to compile cvs version
[09:43] <Tuxist> amarok 1.4.2 have a bug
[09:44] <Tuxist> in the mtpmediadevice.cpp
[09:44] <apachelogger> Tuxist: ?
[09:45] <Tuxist> at line 634
[09:45] <Tuxist>     QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) );
[09:45] <apachelogger> Tuxist: where's the bug?
[09:45] <Tuxist> delete the line and use this QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) );
[09:45] <Tuxist> you cant not compile without this change
[09:46] <apachelogger> they look exactly the same Oo
[09:46] <Tuxist> ok than have the amarok team clean this bug
[09:47] <Tuxist> very fine
[09:47] <Tuxist> nmm 0.9.2 it is a actuelly version
[09:48] <apachelogger> Tuxist: now tell me, where is the diff in the two lines you pasted :P
[09:49] <Tuxist> i have not made a patch i have this change manuelly ;-)
[09:49] <Tuxist> ups 
[09:52] <Tuxist> my next project is to made fedora 6 kernel to ubuntu
[09:52] <apachelogger> lol
[09:52] <apachelogger> Tuxist: what is the issue with that line?
[09:55] <Tuxist> its a change in libmtp
[09:55] <Tuxist> 0.12
[09:55] <apachelogger> ah
[09:55] <apachelogger> sec
[09:55] <apachelogger> imbrandon, Tuxist: http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=576121&view=rev
[09:55] <apachelogger> nearly forgot to report that to packagers ^^
[09:58] <Tuxist> ftp://tuxist.de/Bildschirmphoto9.png
[10:04] <Lure> sebas: fix for brightness bug (if laptop does not have brightness control): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21575
[10:04] <Tuxist> th packages are upload the source need a moment
[10:04] <Lure> sebas: tooltip is now much nicer
[10:05] <Tuxist> ftp://tuxist.de/edgy/amarok
[10:08] <Tuxist> all upload
[10:09] <Tuxist> now i work on the nmm support
[10:15] <Lure> sebas: why does g-p-m dcop interface use PID in the name? I suspect we will not allow more than one instance to run anyhow?
[10:18] <Lure> sebas: I suspect this is side effect of KApplication (instead of KUniqueApplication)?
[10:31] <Viper550> I just saw the new Edgy Knot 2 artwork...interesting...
[10:31] <Lure> Viper550: yep, nice touch from kwwii
[10:31] <Viper550> Interesting, is that the same Purple color scheme from Dapper Flight 2?
[10:32] <Viper550> At least it looks better without that hideous wallpaper from that build...
[10:34] <Viper550> Now, I'm just going to try it on my Keramik/QtCurve idea, hope it fits!
[10:51] <tuxi> hi