=== ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] imbrandon: suggests are now correct for me [12:27] huh ? === imbrandon hasent finished uploading yet heh [12:28] mmmh, aliens? [12:29] imbrandon: i wait till you say what to do (as contracted before) [12:29] k ;) heh [12:30] i will be about 1 more hour before i get it all done ( i'm doing a few other things at the same time ) [12:30] sorry if that is too long to wait [12:30] imbrandon: when this current upload is finished, can i help there something? [12:31] help with what ? [12:31] imbrandon: after the upload, my bed cries heavily [12:31] imbrandon: apt-cache madison [12:31] i'm not sure what you are asking fritsch === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-11.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] imbrandon: we said, i wait here for testing :-) [12:32] ahh ok , well if you have to leave for bed that is okie , i understand ;) [12:32] but if you like to wait thats ok too [12:32] upto you :) but thank you for your help so far either way [12:32] imbrandon: you aren` t currently in Wiesbaden, aren`t you? [12:33] no i'm not [12:33] not this time [12:34] imbrandon: perhaps we had met tomorrow, wanted to go today, but had to do some real life stuff :-( [12:34] imbrandon: but if you need a dapper test computer, i can give you ssh onto the "test computer", no prob [12:35] thats ok i have some other computer that run dapper i can turn on [12:35] thanks for the offer though [12:35] imbrandon: then me goes to bed ... happy fetching updates tomorrow [12:35] imbrandon: thx for your work, see you soon [12:35] see ya ;) sleep well === fritsch [n=fritsch@U9a18.u.pppool.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] [12:55] imbrandon: Any luck on u4 yet by any chance ? [12:55] heh fighting with amarok still bro [12:55] and konversation [12:55] Ohhh, that's no fun I know [12:56] actualy its not too bad [12:56] i think i got it whiped now, its syncing to the server [12:56] Hawkwind: you on dapper or edgy ? [12:56] imbrandon: Dapper [12:56] kde right ? === DaSkreech [n=skreech@196.1.142.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] hey !! [01:09] got my key now :) [01:09] hoo rah [01:12] crimsun: I hope you'll never have to perform 400 km with a car to get a gnupg key backup....... [01:12] not funny at all [01:12] :) [01:13] Tonio__: worse. I've driven cross-country to revive a dead computer in data centre twice. (about 1800 mi each way) [01:13] crimsun: indeed, you win :) [01:13] no, we both lost :( [01:13] crimsun: true :'( [01:14] crimsun: since you are here, are you still alsa maintainer ? [01:14] I do a lot of alsa work, but I don't know if that makes me an "alsa maintainer" :) [01:14] okay that should be interesting for you [01:15] I have a last generation vaio computer, with integrated webcam [01:15] and alsa fails to make correct usage of the microphone [01:15] kind of conflict between the camera one and the jack one [01:15] does alsa recognise the webcam's? [01:16] for example, when I plug the jack, that doesn't disable the camera one [01:16] i.e., is it listed in /proc/asound/devices as a capture [01:16] yes it does, but sound level is always maximum and I can't set it [01:16] so I just get a big freeze [01:16] reverb [01:16] ah [01:16] Tonio__: great ( about the key ) ;P [01:17] the point the configuration seems to touch the jack port, but the sound is on the camera one, which is unconfigurable [01:18] crimsun: looking at windows on the same machine, it seems that the jack/camera switch is done by a daemon, so it is pure software (stupid but that's it) [01:18] and lots of recent laptops are doing this when they come with cameras [01:18] if that sound chipset is HDA, that's becoming the norm. Yeah. [01:18] is alsa supposed to eventually support that feature ? [01:18] well that's stupid to me.... but that's it [01:18] just make things more complicated [01:19] well the point is that I can't use the microphone, which doesn't seems very serious in 2006 :) [01:19] jack sense is already supported for other chipsets; it just needs to be tweaked for specific HDA codecs & models [01:20] if you're referring to the "autoreconfigure" bit of some HDA codecs, there's only a little progress in that regard [01:20] crimsun: can I give you any informations that would be usefull "for the future" ? ^^ [01:20] well audio on linux is really "the" thing that gets me lost ;) [01:21] I just wondered what informations could I give to help inthe improvement on my laptop support [01:21] Tonio__: please file a bug report against linux-source-2.6.x; attach ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer'' for now [01:21] raphink: got it dicovered [01:21] discovered [01:21] x can be both 15 and 17 if it fails in both dapper's and edgy's kernels [01:22] It was fontconfig === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:25] crimsun: sure thanks :) [01:54] mornfall: Technically what would happen if I made a view for adept for all my installed packages then pressed Ctrl+A and did a reinstall? === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFR_away [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:29] imbrandon: well, I'm off to bed, I'll read your comment about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939 in the morning :) === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@c-68-32-31-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] Hobbsee: poke [04:29] imbrandon: heya! === Hobbsee is actually alive now :) === Hobbsee can BREATHE! === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] schools kool [04:44] You were breathless? [04:44] DaSkreech: yeah. found it incredibly hard to concentrate on anything due to light headedness :P [05:30] Riddell: [05:30] This is OK by me if Jonathan's OK with it; he's said he'd like to give [05:30] it a spin first. [05:30] for https://launchpad.net/bugs/57449 [05:30] Malone bug 57449 in amarok "Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:30] Hobbsee: python2.4 broken for kubuntu? [06:30] nixternal: yeah, crimsun broke it === nixternal grumbles [06:30] nixternal: borked postinst? [06:31] the dpkg erro [06:31] r [06:31] ... [06:31] that doenst help [06:31] ie, how did dpkg die? [06:31] due to broken postinst? [06:31] one sec ;) [06:31] (it usually says) [06:31] yup [06:32] post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [06:32] yep [06:32] crimsun's working on fixing it [06:32] python2.4-minimal === Hobbsee goes back to playing kpat in peace :) [06:32] roger that..just wanted to make sure it wasn't me ;) [06:32] (solitare, etc, from kde games) :P [06:32] first night at uni for me tonight...very boring [06:33] we watched revolution os, a documentary about RMS, Linux, the dude that create apache, and the guys from cygnus [06:33] Eh? [06:33] Oh sorry thought someone called me [06:33] heh. fun [06:36] Hobbsee: I err, no [06:36] I simply exposed the bug that has been sitting there since Debian's -7 [06:37] Debian 7? [06:37] dist-upgrades from Dapper->Edgy were bombing before I uploaded. [06:37] crimsun: ah right [06:37] crimsun: so we cant just blame you at random? okay then [06:38] !find libvisual edgy [06:38] Found: libvisual-0.4-0, libvisual-0.4-dev, libvisual-0.4-plugins [06:38] well I'm sure _someone_ will harp at me simply because I was the last to upload === Hobbsee hugs crimsun [06:39] crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error === DaSkreech pastes blame me on crimsum's back [06:41] i released that in the new konversation, the up arrow doesn't post your previous lines [06:41] nixternal: does here [06:41] nixternal: does here [06:41] crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error [06:41] crimsun: i'll stop blaming you, seeing as it's not your error === Hobbsee hugs crimsun [06:41] etc [06:41] it works [06:41] not here [06:41] lol [06:42] Echo echo ec... [06:42] mine doesn't ;( [06:42] i wonder why..that is odd [06:42] nixternal: config file? [06:43] unless the up arrow got tagged for something else === nixternal checks === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:51] i have iKs [06:52] Hobbsee: i figured out why [06:52] yay :) [06:52] what was the problem? [06:52] don't select "let something expand"..the text box you type in...if you set it to expand with text, the up arrow doesn't work [06:52] bug? [06:52] i will ask sho_ [06:53] ah [06:53] he's asleep [06:56] no time for sleep, we have work to do [06:56] when will these people figure that out ;) [06:58] the workaround for the python2.4-minimal issue is to forcibly purge python-central (dpkg -P --force-depends), then dpkg --configure -a, then reinstall python-central [06:59] the bug isn't actually in python2.4-minimal, it's in python-central [07:02] thanks crimsun [07:06] brb [07:06] /quit restart === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] crimsun: you rock! [07:18] not really, still haven't nailed the pycentral boog yet === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [n=fritsch@U9a18.u.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] imbrandon_: ty for amarok, it is working ... libvisual-0.4-0 gets installed :-) === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Old_Fred [n=esifred@24-176-78-167.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Old_Fred [n=esifred@24-176-78-167.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst_ is now known as verwilst === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [n=fritsch@U9a18.u.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] hello Hobbsee [10:09] hey insanekane === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:11] bah debian got k3b 0.12.17 faster due to waiting for uvfe :( [10:11] Riddell: assuming i get UVFE for k3b please don't upload yet [10:12] seaLne: have you requested it? [10:12] yes [10:13] seaLne: bug number? [10:13] mdz read the bug i didn't believe i'd included changelog :) [10:13] oh yes, I remember that [10:13] Bug #57475 [10:13] Malone bug 57475 in k3b "k3b 0.12.17 Edgy UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57475 [10:13] the changelog was so short i didn't see any point not putting it in [10:14] Riddell: did you see the result of the amarok UVF exception? [10:15] * Remove RPATHs using chrpath to get rid of lintian warnings [10:15] ^ anyone know what rpaths are? [10:15] we don't have any lintian warnings [10:15] Hobbsee: yes, I need to test the package [10:15] which I'll do now [10:16] Riddell: cool [10:16] you got imbrandon_'s updated packages? [10:16] yes, what is rpath ? [10:17] "chrpath changes, lists or removes the rpath or runpath setting in a binary. The rpath, or runpath if it is present, is where the runtime linker should look for the libraries needed for a program." [10:17] Hobbsee: yes [10:17] Riddell: cool [10:18] 16MB. wow, what do these amarok people have in this [10:20] Riddell: do you know anything abour rpath? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=1 [10:20] Riddell: yeah, exactly === kwwii_ [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] moin === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [10:22] seaLne: we don't want it debian packages, is all I know [10:22] s/debian/.deb/ [10:22] hi kwwii [10:23] hi raphink [10:26] Riddell: in english is that we don't want ti in the ubuntu packages? :) [10:26] seaLne: correct [10:27] although I admit to not really understanding what it's all about [10:30] hah. finally, my signal strength says 100 - i'm 2-3 metres away from the access point. === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:32] uhm.. [10:32] hi Arbiter [10:33] Riddell: i don't like the purple color so much.. [10:33] :) [10:33] (imho of course) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] Riddell: if i can give my opinion: i prefer the blue-colored theme [10:35] whine. [10:35] i thought my connection was behaving today [10:35] what'd i miss? [10:36] Hobbsee: only my comment about the purple color theme of kubuntu :D [10:36] Arbiter: ah. which was? [10:36] that i prefer the blue color theme :D [10:36] right [10:36] yuriy: what country do you live in? [10:37] Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas [10:37] last two wallpapers === Hobbsee hears talk over and over in dapper about how the artwork was terrible, and now that it's changed, people complain about it not being blue. [10:37] mind you, i do think that we should use the flower picture [10:40] Hobbsee: the flower picture? [10:41] why not a wallpaper with a small kubuntu logo? :) [10:41] Arbiter: the flower picture rocks, the whole theme look very cool [10:41] the logos should not be used in the wallpapers (I was told that from sabdfl) [10:42] uhm.. [10:42] I will be including several of the new wallpapers in the next few weeks [10:42] I have kdm and the ksplash done, using them as bg as well [10:43] if anyone is interested in testing the new stuff, i have tar.gz files with the new stuff on my server (not packages, just the pics) [10:43] i'm interested [10:44] kwwii: but.. what's your server address? :D [10:45] http://bootsplash.org/edgyWallpaper.tar.gz , kwin-style-crystal_kenPics.tar.gz , kubuntu_edgy_kdm.tar.gz , kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz [10:45] kwwii: definetly :) [10:45] the window buttons need to be put into the right dir in the package and then built in order to test them [10:45] but the rest can simply be copied to the dir in the running system to change [10:49] wallpaper is cool :) [10:51] ooh i do love packaging bugs that we fixed for edgy but forgot about for dapper.... [10:52] Riddell: were you planning to put the amarok 1.4.2 repo onto kubuntu.org? [10:52] upstream is wanting to know where they can send people for updated debs [10:53] Riddell is watching a demo atm [10:56] yay. upstream is happy that i fixed the install mp3 support on amarok [10:57] wow, you made the amarok people happy, not always and easy thing [10:57] kwwii: hehe, true that. [10:58] ;-) [10:59] kwwii: i like the wallpapers :) === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Tonio_ [n=tonio@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] hey everyone [11:26] howdy Tonio_ [11:26] kwwii: HEY ;) [11:27] hey Tonio_ [11:27] Hobbsee: hi ;) [11:27] kwwii: I really like the window decoration currently [11:27] Tonio_: cool, good to hear that [11:27] kwwii: except maybe the gradient [11:28] kwwii: not that I don't like it, but it goes from white to purple [11:28] probably white is a "little" bit too clear [11:28] but I still like it [11:28] until now I have only tested it on my laptop, so it might look different on other machines [11:28] kwwii: possibly yes [11:29] the effect is very cool too :) [11:29] I think that effect still needs some work, really [11:29] Tonio_: ahh...so i wasnt the only one to notice that === Hobbsee *wondered* why it looked like someone put bits of snow on the top of her monitor [11:30] it does look veyr nice though :) [11:30] kwwii: were you still thinking of using the flower picture? [11:30] Hobbsee: It is the only thing I'm not a real fan [11:30] but I globally like the work done :) [11:30] Tonio_: indeed. === Hobbsee has learned that you cant please everyone with artwork === Hobbsee thinks kwwii does a very good job at a mostly-impossible task [11:31] Hobbsee: not really....it seems to be too complicated for some people [11:31] I love it though and use it personally on my desktop [11:31] kwwii: ah okay [11:31] same here :P [11:32] :-) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] hum that deadkey bug on qt makes me crazy [11:46] it makes it impossible to write french correctly [11:47] I assume the problem is the same for spanish probably since they use accents a lot === kwwii_ is now known as kwwi [12:07] !ping [12:07] ping: unknown host === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === matus [n=Matus@milk.shake.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] Hobbsee: what dapper amarok packages do we have? [12:18] Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/ [12:19] Riddell: i would assume, those ones [12:19] you' dhave to ask imbrandon_ - he took care of dapper side === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii === Tonio_ prepares a page with the major bugs to resolve before edgy is out [12:20] Hobbsee: since you are very active on malone, would ou like to contribute ? [12:21] Tonio_: of bugs to fix? [12:21] Hobbsee: yes [12:21] hmmm... === Hobbsee tries to think of some [12:23] Hobbsee: for example bug 56794 [12:23] Malone bug 56794 in qt-x11-free "Qt breaks dead keys" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56794 [12:23] true [12:23] probably anything that's marked as high [12:23] this one makes kubuntu almost unusable for french, belgium, french canadians, spanish etc........ [12:23] a whole lot in kdelibs/kdebase === Hobbsee nods [12:24] Hobbsee: yes, and for example concerning the cd not mounting with sata devices, I'll probably contact erwin from kde === Hobbsee nods again [12:24] the good point is that danimo from kde is aware of the bug and has it too :) [12:24] that might help [12:32] Riddell: kde-systemsettings is fixed up and ready to be packaged again. [12:32] Sime: concerning the power management entry ? [12:32] I though about that this morning :) [12:32] Riddell!!!! === Hobbsee cheers [12:33] backports are working again :) [12:33] Sime: I can do the package, but where to grab the source from ? kde svn ? [12:33] Tonio_: and? [12:33] kde svn [12:33] Sime: well there is an desktop file to remove [12:34] Tonio_: you are talking about the power management icon in k-s-s? [12:34] yup === kwwii_ [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Sime: unless there is a kcm module in development :) [12:34] Tonio_: I can easily remove it by editing the menu .xml file from k-s-s. [12:34] Tonio_: not from me [12:34] Sime: yes I know but isn't this better to simply remove the entry since we don't use it anomore ? [12:35] anymore === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [12:35] re [12:35] Sime: maybe you wana keep it for other distros... [12:36] Tonio_: The icon can beremvoed by removing it from the kdelibs (or kdebase?) package. But that needs to be done "outside" k-s-s. [12:36] be removed^ [12:37] Sime: well we don't have it anymore, but it still appears in kss [12:37] probably because the desktop file is directly in it's source no ? [12:37] Sime: kde-settings-power.directory [12:37] this one [12:37] Tonio_: k-s-s still includes it. I can easily remove it from kss, but it will appear in kcontrol. [12:38] Sime: nothing in kcontrol currently [12:38] there is no more entry since klaptopdaemon has been removed [12:39] only k-s-s has an entry due to that file [12:39] Sime: the point is if I do the package, I would prefer to have it removed in the tarball than via a rule entry no ? [12:39] that's probably cleaner [12:39] and this is why I'm asking you your feeling conkcerning this [12:40] Sime: hum, which brank on the svn plz ? [12:40] OH!, I you mean that the klaptop stuff is already remvoed from the kde packages in edgy? [12:40] exactly ;) [12:40] now I've gotcha. [12:41] so we get an entry in systemsettings that givecs a nasty error message while clicking on it :) [12:41] wait a sec as I fix up the menu file. [12:41] sure [12:41] Sime: you prefer to keep the directory file and remove it from xml files ? [12:42] it is not a directory file, but a normal desktop file. Maybe the klaptop .exe was removed, but not the .desktop file. [12:45] Sime: nope it is [12:45] here is the strange thing ;) [12:45] anyway, you are looking for /kde/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings [12:45] i just commited the fix. [12:45] Sime: laptoppowermanagement.desktop [12:45] this file sorry :) [12:46] has to be removed from the tree probably [12:46] that's the one. [12:46] okay [12:46] it should be in order now. [12:47] Sime: I'm packaging [12:47] cool [12:49] Sime: what are the changes in svn for changelog ? [12:50] Sime: usability I assume ? [12:51] Tonio_: The changes are just a couple of fixes related to 3.5.4 (some .desktop filenames changed), and a fix for the installation (Makefile.am missed a couple of files during install). [12:52] Sime: okay thanks [12:53] gotta go, later [12:53] kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdm.png === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] Riddell: looks nice :) === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] Sime: systemsettings/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: AUTO(all-top_systemsettings) [01:22] did you change that part ? [01:22] moins all [01:26] Sime: I have to go but I'll be there this evening to fix this [01:35] hrm anyone else haveing problems with python updates today ? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-231.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0821200617613 [01:42] vote for KDE [01:43] moins kwwii === Hobbsee is back [01:43] howdy imbrandon [01:43] wb [01:43] which part of the world should i take over today? [01:43] ;) [01:43] Hobbsee: fix python postinst [01:43] ;) [01:43] imbrandon: thanks for the svg...I will start working on that soon [01:43] ahh you welcom kwwii , it was just something i was goofin with, like i said if you dont like it or cant use it no biggie ;) === imbrandon just figured it was better than the gnome icon ;) [01:45] :-) [01:45] imbrandon: crimsun was doing that, i thought [01:45] ahh cool becouse its blockin my other updates ;) === imbrandon o/~ hums o/~ ...... [01:50] imbrandon: cant you do the others around it? like, try sudo dpkg --configure -a ? [01:50] nope for some reason it isnt getting past that one [01:50] imbrandon: i think there was a work around of it too? dont really remember [01:50] and theres no way to remove that without removeing EVERYTHING [01:50] heh === imbrandon pokes crimsun , you about ? [01:51] imbrandon: he's away - work === Hobbsee doenst seem to have it installed === matus [n=Matus@milk.shake.org] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [02:07] imbrandon: thanks for the konversation build, no more sigsev, but when you want to look at the logs (Window -> Open Logfile for #channel or Ctrl-O), it causes konversation to hang... I end up having to use killall konversation and making a new window [02:07] it will hang untill the log is fully opened [02:08] thats known there just isnt a dialog saying so [02:08] kk [02:08] :) thanks though ;0 [02:10] btw ryanakca amarok is posted too ;) [02:10] on your repos? [02:10] sweet [02:10] yup just add a line with "amarok" instead of "konversation-nightly" [02:11] or add "amarok" to the end of the line? [02:11] yea ;) [02:14] now... I don't want to sound impatient or anything... but can you review eqonomize for me while I'm gone? I'll be back tommorow sometime :) [02:21] sure === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] kwwii: ping [02:36] imbrandon: pong === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] heya someon just sent art to the ML that i was gonna ask you about, maybe me and him can collaborate and take some load off ya , heres the deal ..... [02:37] you know all the html start pages for akrogaots kmail konq etc === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] he was asking about those, and i was wondering the same thin, i can get him on irc and we can get it all changed and i can send patches to riddell if you are working on other stuff [02:38] Riddell: kubuntu_ksplash.tar.gz [02:39] if thats cool by you, basicly leaving them the same just "purpleizing them" [02:39] Riddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] imbrandon: we should definitely change them [02:39] make them purple [02:39] I wanted to do that after the guidance stuff [02:40] need to make the interface pics for guidance too [02:40] ok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ? [02:40] yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc [02:40] ok [02:40] i'll reply to him asking him to pop in irc and colab [02:41] i'll see what we can get done for you today [02:43] imbrandon: cool, I started a mail to the list to respond to his [02:43] killler, that would be excellent! [02:44] k just replyd with ... [02:44] Heya Nathan, yes they sure are getting "purpleized" , Ken and Riddell and I were working on just that infact on IRC and would welcome the help, stop on by #kubuntu-devel on freenode and we'll all get togather and tackle this today ;) [02:44] add what ever else you want ;) [02:44] ? [02:45] Riddell: ? [02:45] heh [02:45] oh I'm with you now [02:45] Riddell: i'm in MA, USA (so you asked at 4am) [02:45] yuriy: US citizenship too? [02:45] (google wants to know) [02:45] damn americans [02:45] Riddell: yeah [02:46] yuriy: thanks [02:46] (myself being american as well) [02:46] Riddell: hehe did you get the url with amarok ? kamoin approved it pending you giving it a spin ;) [02:46] hehe kwwii === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] imbrandon: yes, it's next on my todo list [02:47] np , no worries just making sure it got to ya [02:48] maybe by the edgy+1 dev sprint i'll be in -core-dev and wont bug you quite as much hehehe === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:52] Riddell: kwin-style-crystal_kensPics.tar.gz === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.53.18] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] imbrandon: they're mean and nasty over that, be careful :P [02:55] hehehehe ;P [02:55] gah === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] how do i integrate a changelog from debian when i'm not applying the thing that it does (k3b rpath)? [03:12] hrm seaLne no idea [03:13] i think i'm gonna take a small 1 hour nap, i woke up too early , see yall in just a little while === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.53.18] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] are the dapper-changes mails about backports mean proper backports are working === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] yea proper backports are working now [03:28] a few things have already been pushed this moringn [03:28] i wonder why k3b was picked [03:29] because it already had a report against it? [03:29] there was a backport report for it [03:29] where are backport reports? [03:29] kbfx got push finaly too [03:29] seaLne: anyone can file htem as long as you test and provide the right info and get a MOTU or -core-dev to ack it [03:29] seaLne: malone [03:30] then backport team looks it over [03:30] Hobbsee: yeah but how do i see them? [03:30] they are bugs againts the product dapper-backports [03:30] check what's subscribed to ubuntu-backporters [03:30] just back from oss meeting in China, ubuntu attended [03:31] Hobbsee: ta [03:31] freeflying: nice! how'dit go? [03:31] seaLne: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs [03:31] yeah it was the "product dapper-backports" i didn't know [03:32] Hobbsee: ubuntu's topic is great, hehe, but the time is too short [03:32] imbrandon: seaLne hi [03:32] heay freeflying [03:32] freeflying: hiya [03:32] brb i'm gonna take that nap [03:33] seaLne: sorry, I owe you traslation :P [03:33] freeflying: yeah :) and the previous ones disapeared [03:34] seaLne: why? === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] the website changed to a wiki [03:34] hello nathan [03:34] the website you had them on [03:34] hi there ready for purpleizing [03:35] btw brandon - did you build amarok 142 for ppc? [03:35] seaLne: I see, :) [03:35] heh ;) i was just heading out for about an hour, maybe less, kwwii_ ( a.k.a ken ) is here too [03:35] n8k99: its building now [03:35] it will be uploaded in a bit [03:35] sweet! [03:36] "Backports resurrected" yay! [03:36] so which image should i get started with purpling [03:36] anyhow as i was saying i'm heading out for about an hour, gather what you have done so far and we'll get this knocked out ;) [03:36] n8k99: lets start with konq [03:36] hi nathan [03:37] n8k99: i'll do the html stuff and you can handel the images ok ? [03:37] hi kwwii [03:37] anyhow bbiab [03:37] ok [03:37] see you imbrandon [03:37] thanks to both of you :-) [03:38] Riddell: ya yay\0/ , that was the first mail i woke upto this morning [03:38] i was happy [03:38] Riddell: yeah! :D === imbrandon dosent have to worry about a broken kbfx in dapper anymore === Hobbsee started seeing the bug reports and went "what on earth? COOL!!! [03:38] : [03:38] *" [03:39] n8k99: my ppc compile box is kinda slow ( 800mhz ) it will be done and uploaded in about 2 hours ( but i'll ping you too when it is ) [03:39] //////dddddddddddd [03:40] imbrandon_: yay! === Hobbsee hides Riddell's keyboard === imbrandon hides the cat on Riddell keyboard [03:41] meow! [03:41] is there a website/wiki entry with rgb numbers for how purple things are to be? [03:41] n8k99: http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc [03:42] [07:39] ok is there an rgb value you have we can use in the html ? [03:42] [07:40] yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc [03:42] [07:40] ok [03:42] heh === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] i'm sorry what was that lauchpad link again - little crash over here [03:45] 14:42 < imbrandon> [07:40] yes, check the kcsrc (http://bootsplash.org/ku-two.kcsrc [03:45] thanks [03:45] ooh, yeah! [03:46] Riddell: what are your thoughts on backporting kopete? [03:46] Hobbsee: yes please [03:47] Riddell: what happens with the kopete in kdenetwork? [03:47] it doesn't get made [03:47] I think for kde 3.5.5 it'll be kopete 0.12.2 [03:47] but we won't use it === Hobbsee nods [03:49] Riddell: so what about the current dapper versions? version it as kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1~dapper1 or something? [03:50] same as it is in edgy with ~dapper1 [03:50] the backports team will care about that [03:50] we just care that it compiles [03:53] right === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.86.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] Riddell: oem-config works properly now. :) === Huahua_ [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] abattoir: rock! [03:58] abattoir: is your bzr archive up to te? [03:58] date? === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] Riddell: nope, i'll do it now... [03:58] Riddell: i just found a couple of bugs though :( [03:59] abattoir: thanks, I'll try and look at that after I do amarok [03:59] Riddell: hitting back in the 2nd step changes dbfilter to None... [03:59] Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu4ever.png [04:00] Riddell: and in the last step, the UI closes even if the password/verify password entries arent the same... [04:00] Riddell: i'll try to fix those and then upload. [04:01] cool === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] does anyone know anything about movix? [04:14] not I [04:16] definetly not i === Hobbsee knows nothing about anything :P [04:16] hence i should not be interviewed! :P [04:16] yay, interview Hobbsee! [04:17] who's interviewing Hobbsee? === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] Riddell: some people at SLUG are wanting to === seaLne sulks [04:17] ah yes, slug, their IRC channel always used to confuse me when I was trying to find the Scottish LUG irc channel [04:17] hehe [04:17] S=Sydney? [04:17] Hobbsee: what sort of interview? [04:18] Riddell: one in person, i think [04:18] so not quite the same as behindubuntu [04:19] yeah, would be a spoken interview [04:19] dont give those behindubuntu people ideas! :P [04:19] Sime: yes === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] i think i have a purple png for konqi [04:31] where do you want me to put it? [04:31] Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b [04:31] well, send it to imbrandon and myself [04:31] or post it to the ubuntu-artwork list [04:33] hmm, two branches of k3b [04:33] ? [04:34] oops KDE [04:35] Riddell: ok fixing [04:37] :) === ubotu [n=ubotu@81.171.100.21] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] Hello everyone1 [04:42] heya [04:42] Sorry, that 1 was supposed to be a "!" [04:42] Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b [04:42] I've noticed that alot of people have been disapointed about Kubuntu once they load up a GTK app like Firefox and notice it looks very ugly [04:43] imbrandon_: hey let me know if this will work https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=top-right-konqueror.png [04:43] seaLne: I'm onto it [04:43] viper550: well use KDE apps rather than the ugly GTK ones [04:43] In the words of Paris Hilton, that's hot! [04:44] Also, some people just prefer Firefox over Konqueror... [04:44] who is paris talking to? [04:44] n8k99: is the mouse pointer on the globe part of it? [04:44] I'm talking about the new purple graphic, looks hot! [04:45] yeah - i just took the original png as is in my dapper and made some color shifts with the gimp [04:45] strange never noticed it before :) [04:45] no actual work was done!! [04:45] neither had i === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:46] but each app, kmail, aggregakor, etc has its own little icon there [04:46] the globe is part of konqi's [04:46] viper550: true that. it doesnt acutally build with a qt engine at all, or didnt. there are a few packages that make it look more kde-ish though === Hobbsee hugs her firefox binaries from mozilla.org [04:46] they actually look mostly kde-ish :D [04:47] which other app should i work on now? [04:47] I think my idea is to use a brand new theme called QtCurve, I'm working on a mockup with it right now! [04:48] viper550: better to port plastik to gtk [04:48] Man, Konversation is such a memory hog... === viper550 switches clients [04:49] Riddell: hey ! [04:49] Tonio_! [04:49] Riddell: is the switch to plastik causing an issue ? [04:49] Tonio_: dunno, not tried it yet [04:49] Tonio_: comment ca va kio-locate? [04:49] well, I'm using firefox here and didn't look anything special [04:50] looks normal, meaning beatifull kde style and horrible gtk dialog boxes ;) [04:50] Riddell: kio-locate has been uploaded this night [04:50] cool [04:50] since I got my key back [04:50] I'm trying to understand that deadkey bug on qt === Tonio_ goes to look debian repos for this [04:51] I saw that in a magazine here [04:51] Riddell: the deadkey problem ? [04:51] I think so, but not speaking german I didn't see any more than deadkey, qt and kcontrol [04:52] sure. the point is that english speaking people will not see it, but for most european languages, that a pain... [04:52] oui [04:53] Riddell is in he's french day ;) [04:53] on va faire comme a Riddell. Tout en Franais aujourd'hui === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] well all the germans here are talking in german and I can't understand them, so if I talk in French they can't understand me [04:55] Riddell: aren't german supposed to be good in english ? [04:55] ...so they should just all speak english and be done with it. [04:55] Tonio_: no, german and english arent really compatible [04:55] i found, anyway... [04:55] afaik they are better than french to speak other languages :) [04:55] Hobbsee: you can't imagin the french people then [04:56] Tonio_: true that. the only person i know who speaks a bit of french is my mother. [04:56] Howdy [04:56] hey bddebian [04:56] Hi Hobbsee [04:56] Riddell: ho !!! then can'T understand you :) I missed the "t" :) [04:56] yop bddebian [04:56] Heya Tonio_, Riddell === viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] Hello again... [05:01] seaLne: "apart from RPATH" why apart from it? [05:01] you said not to === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] no, I said we want to not have rpath [05:02] the "sync" consisted of copying the changelog [05:02] Okay, wondering another reason I suggest switching to QtCurve as our theme? [05:03] Viper550: we don't want a gnome theme as our default theme [05:03] Riddell: ok to clarify the RPATH changes *should* go in then? [05:03] is plastik a gnome theme? [05:03] It's not a Gnome theme, it's a KDE style, but it can also be dynamically applied to GTK applications [05:03] seaLne: correct. we're getting confused with double negatives here :) [05:03] oh - i usually use baghira [05:04] seaLne: their change removes rpath from k3b, which is a good thing that we want [05:04] But also, it has alot of options for configuration [05:04] n8k99: plastik is the KDE theme [05:04] Riddell: *grumble* :) [05:04] seaLne: I can add the rpath change, it's very small [05:04] http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b/k3b/trunk/debian/rules?op=diff&rev=0&sc=1 yes? [05:04] I've got it with a very nice gloss motif! [05:05] Riddell: i switched to that today to work [05:05] Riddell: yeah [05:05] Viper550: really, why not go with whatever looks best? [05:05] Riddell: ok i can easily do it [05:05] as long as it's not a straight gnome theme :P [05:05] It does look best. It's not a straight Gnome theme, the GTK engine part is optional. [05:05] mind you, they dont tend to look very nice anyway, so i suspect we're pretty safe [05:05] Viper550: screenshot? [05:05] Let me fire up Ksnapshot... [05:06] Viper550: and if it could be applied to GTK apps, does that mean it gets applied to ff and the like, by default? [05:06] Yes. [05:06] The QtCurve GTK theme reads the configuration from the QtCurve KDE theme, making it look almost exactly the same! [05:07] finished with the default images in /konqueror/about/ [05:07] put them on my launchpad page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode#preview [05:08] Just let me post the screenshot to Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas [05:08] n8k99: the left one looks pretty [05:09] thanks [05:09] ima try to make that for all the apps [05:13] I just committed my QtCurve screenshot to the Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas page [05:14] Viper550: link? === Hobbsee is lazy. [05:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas === Hobbsee wonders when qt curve went in edgy anyway. [05:15] Man, is it me, or is the wiki slow today? [05:15] seaLne: I've done it, recompiling to make sure it doesn't break === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:15] Or just plain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=qtcurve_keramik.png [05:16] that page has lots of data on it, what with full sized wallpapers and such [05:16] Riddell: ok [05:16] (if you don't like loading) [05:16] Riddell: did you just delete the apart from rpath bit in the changelog? [05:16] yes [05:16] and added those chrpath lines [05:17] and to configure? [05:17] So, you like it? === PascalFR_away [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] Sime: ping ? [05:18] Viper550: ug [05:19] Why ugh? [05:19] Is Keramik not in style anymore? [05:19] interesting [05:20] i swear those buttons look like KDE 1 or KDE 2 though. [05:20] Actually, KDE 3.0, Plastik didn't come til 3.2 I think... [05:20] never used kde 3.0 :P [05:21] Keremik still comes with KDE 3.x [05:21] i think that the window decoration and the menu background run together too much [05:21] maybe if the menu bar were more grey/purple [05:21] But, that's the point! === Hobbsee grabs the old colours. === Hobbsee likes the bluey/purple of them more. [05:22] that's what i was thinking of when i asked for purple :) [05:22] The effect just doesn't work very good with Crystal [05:22] i like the tone level - just not the real-estate covered [05:23] Would it work if the colors were a bit different? [05:24] i think it would work if there were two tones for the different areas [05:24] dark shade on win deco and lighter for menu bg [05:24] Are the different areas the main background and the "bubble" with the title? === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:26] Tonio_: ping? [05:26] seaLne: k3b uploaded, thanks [05:26] hey kwwii_! [05:26] howdy Hobbsee [05:26] Hobbsee: so after googling for you name, I cannot find a picture of you! how in the world did you pull off doing sooo much work for kubuntu and not having one pic of yourself anywhere? [05:27] seaLne: you can close the bug, and it might be a candidate to backport if you have time to see if it comopiles on dapper [05:27] yeah it was bad timing that .16 got into backports [05:27] Tonio_: we need to change the knotes default settings from "fancy style" to "plain style" ... could you take care of that? [05:27] kwwii_: did you find much under my real name, btw? [05:28] Hobbsee: nothing that tells me it is you [05:28] Hobbsee: unless you are a famous old woman [05:28] kwwii_: true that - that's because i tend to keep my real name pretty quiet, and my image [05:28] hehe - i'm no artist, that's for sure [05:28] heheh [05:29] kwwii_: the reason i keep such things quiet is because of things like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html [05:30] a couple of pics are at [05:30] http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9838/hobbseecar10ii.jpg [05:30] http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3909/hobbseecar22fk.jpg [05:30] kwwii_: I already did in the past but Riddell rejected that hehe :) [05:30] kwwii_: now you can decide, I'll do this, yes [05:30] I hate the fancy style og knotes [05:31] Nice Car, now if only we could make Kubuntu look as good as it! :D [05:31] Viper550: hehe. it's a nice car when it *goes* [05:32] ...used... [05:32] Hobbsee: those are very nice pics :-) [05:32] kwwii_: thankyou [05:33] kwwii_: did you read the log? [05:33] kwwii_: and now do you understand why i tend to keep such things quiet? [05:33] http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html does not work [05:33] kwwii_: ahh... [05:33] Tonio_: please, if you can, change it [05:34] Tonio_: I don't remember discussing knotes ever [05:34] nothing worse than a forgetfull scotsman with poor taste in art :p [05:35] Riddell: we didn't discuss this, but you removed it from a debdiff I sent to you :) [05:35] kwwii_: http://pastebin.ca/147678 [05:35] maybe the fact we never discussed this is the reason you didn't accept hehe ;) [05:35] Knotes handbook does have the blue graphics... [05:35] kwwii_: didnt realise raft.net killed off pastes so quick [05:35] hehe [05:35] kwwii_: concerning the yellow color, maybe we can change it a bit [05:35] But, Sticky Notes are supposed to be Yellow! [05:36] Hobbsee: as long as you don't talk about my man boobs I won't mention the word again :p [05:36] don't worry, /me is married with child [05:37] kwwii_: heh. it's more the fact that that stuff happens at all, which is why i tend to keep all of those details relatively quiet [05:37] yeah, that is freaky === Hobbsee has only ever pasted links to her image in here and -motu before, iirc. [05:37] I cannot imagine someone doing that [05:37] kwwii_: not that abnormal. [05:37] thank god I am not a woman :-) [05:38] hah! [05:38] So, think the Keramik+QtCurve idea is a good one? [05:38] /rant === jdong|coreduo [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] Or, I could try and make an overlay for Crystal to make the gradient look like it... [05:38] heya jdong|coreduo [05:38] Viper550: well, Keramik was default for kde a long time ago, so I know that we will not want to use that [05:38] hey Hobbsee [05:38] jdong|coreduo: i warn you now, i want to backport kopete ;) [05:38] lol [05:39] is it possible for us to bump k3b's kdelibs4-dev deps back down [05:39] But, I actually think it looks a bit better than Plastik, Plastik is boring and conservative, and Crystal's buttons are all whacked up [05:39] so it'd backport? [05:39] jdong|coreduo: dont know yet [05:39] i would think so [05:39] hehe [05:40] It's original and creative! Also, it looks nice with the Crystal icons [05:40] Viper550: the style kinda looks like winXP media center edition widgets [05:40] kwwii_: want to keep the original color or no ? [05:40] Tonio_: So, you are comparing it to Royale? [05:40] Viper550: ? [05:40] Viper550: actually, we are working on a new style, which is being made by the person who made keramik and it looks pretty nice [05:40] Royale is the offical name for that theme. [05:41] Tonio_: I think we can change the color too, let me test it [05:41] Hold it, are there any pictures yet? [05:41] kwwii_: sure [05:41] !info libgadu-dev [05:41] libgadu-dev: Gadu-Gadu protocol library - development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6+20051103-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 123 kB, installed size 536 kB [05:41] !info ekiga [05:41] ekiga: Free Your Speech. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 3572 kB, installed size 12188 kB [05:42] !info libslp-dev [05:42] libslp-dev: OpenSLP development libraries. In component main, is extra. Version 1.2.1-5 (dapper), package size 60 kB, installed size 244 kB [05:42] jdong|coreduo: i would expect it to backport, i'll test build overnight [05:42] Tonio_: can you change the bg color? in my version I change the color in the settings but it does not actually change anything [05:42] kwwii_: yes I can [05:42] #FFFFB5 [05:43] I like this colour [05:43] Hobbsee: k3b backports fine, as long as the kdelibs4-dev dep is relaxed [05:43] and from what I see, it was tightened for Edgy-specific build reasons [05:43] yellow too, but by far better for the eyes [05:44] !info kdelibs4-dev [05:44] kdelibs4-dev: development files for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 1320 kB, installed size 7516 kB [05:44] kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.0) is the dep. [05:44] kwwii_: once background is changed, create a new note to see the colour [05:44] shouldnt be a problem... === carsten [n=carsten@wikipedia/carsten] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] Viper550: are you really expecting us to answer within 30 seconds? [05:45] No. [05:45] good :) === carsten [n=carsten@wikipedia/carsten] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.86.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] I'll wait as long as I have to... [05:46] jdong|coreduo: don't bother backporting the new k3b yet i have a few things i'm going to fix in it bug wise [05:46] seaLne: alright [05:46] kwwii_: here are the settings I use for knotes : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png [05:47] Tonio_: nice [05:48] Tonio_: as for bugs i'd like to kill off. i'd like to get printing* fixed, the mounting fixed including floppy disks, etc - all mounted as intended, i'd like to see kdesu work all the time (dotn know if we'll get that one, if it's an ustream problem), [05:48] Hobbsee: yes, that's hudge, but these are the most major bugs [05:48] Tonio_: funny, enough that is almost exactly the color I picked :-) [05:48] kdesu fails the first time you launch an app, I don't understand why [05:48] Tonio_: yes, exactly [05:49] Tonio_: that's the stuff that if we have time/people/expertise to throw at them, i'd like to see fixed the most [05:49] Hobbsee: let's prepare a wikipage toonight are you okay ? [05:49] Tonio_: depends when tonight is - i'm going to go to bed pretty soon - it's almsot 2am again [05:49] there are very long time bugs that really to get love :) [05:49] yes, definetly [05:49] Hobbsee: okay, what time is it for you ? [05:50] @time sydney [05:50] Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 25 2006, 01:50:09 [05:50] Tonio_: ^ almost 2am [05:50] kwwii_: let's use this maybe ? [05:50] Tonio_: definitely [05:50] if we could sort media:/ stuff out too, that'd be cool [05:50] :-) [05:50] Hobbsee: argh..... okay let's rediscuss this tomorrow then :) === kwwii_ reboots, brb [05:50] Tonio_: hehe, okay === Hobbsee is suddenly brainstorming this stuff. [05:51] Tonio_: i could think about it over work :) [05:51] Tonio_: my boss will like that :) [05:51] (shudder. my boss will be there. eek) [05:51] Hobbsee: great then ;) [05:51] (and she wont be happy with me due to me not going into work today, too. double eek) [05:51] :P [05:53] anyway, bedtime. i shall see how kopete behaves in the morning [05:54] I'm going to try and make some mods to Keremik [06:04] Riddell: concerning all those mounting issues (sata devices and floppy), shouldn't we contact kevin ottens maybe ? [06:04] because we don't have that much time before the release now.... [06:05] he is the most acknoledge for this [06:06] Riddell: Guidance Power Manager will show on a desktop install [06:06] Riddell: is this a bug? [06:07] freeflying: will it ? [06:08] Tonio_: ya, a desktop installed edgy show it in system tray [06:08] freeflying: afaik, klaptop was a kde service just because of this [06:09] freeflying: indeed that's not very nice [06:10] Tonio_: sure, so I wanna know is that a bug [06:10] freeflying: only Riddell can answer :) [06:11] Tonio_: seems Riddell not around now :) === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:12] kwwii_: kds uploaded [06:12] cool :-) thanks! === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:13] amarok-1.4.2 for ppc is ready, anyone need? [06:13] imbrandon: ping [06:14] freeflying: I could try it out :-) [06:14] kwwii_: how can I give you :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeoww [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeoww [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [06:28] imbrandon_: check out this work please https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode [06:29] Riddell: Lots of work has been done on debian's qt package... [06:29] I'm trying it since it might resolve lots of issues, and more than this related to fonts (arabic mostly) [06:29] we have a launchpad bug concerning this [06:32] n8k99: the kmail header seems to have a lighter purple than the rest (which is better) [06:33] not sure exactly how purple we should make them [06:33] i had some trouble matching tones cause i closed my .xcf for konqi b4 i started the others [06:33] ;( === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] must take daughter 2 playground bbs === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:45] the current edgy kdm look is excellent! Much better than the heavy purple [06:45] and i like the default kde background too. its quite unusual colouring, but it works [06:47] one thing i'm not keen on is the kde fonts. they look autohinted so bold fonts look really bad (much too bold). would that be a settings within kde or with fontconfig (i have set fontconfig to not use hinting.. so i assume its in the kde config ?) [06:47] do you mean in kde or in kdm? [06:48] in kde.. kdm fonts look fine [06:48] hehe, on your machine :-) [06:48] i really prefer how fonts looked in dapper/breezy etc [06:48] I am not sure that anything changed [06:49] hmm.. maybe something weird is going on with fontconfig.. [06:49] there appear to be problems there, but it should be fixed before release [06:49] anyway.. is the kdm look/feel just a test? or is this approved. i love it.. [06:50] hehe, I approved it today :-) [06:50] great! === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] I will still test some different bg ideas though [06:50] different color gradients in that same pics [06:50] s/pics'/pic [06:50] there was a small glitch with the right of the screen during the kde loading phase. it had a piece of the kde background there. but i need to check again [06:51] im a glasses wearer, so you can't trust everything i say :D === omeoww is now known as omeow [06:52] ive got to kill x a moment. i want to gaze at kdm's beauty again... === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] yup.. :D [06:54] I am really happy to hear that you like it :-) [06:56] Tonio_: pong [06:57] i dont have usplash running. are there any example gfx on the wiki or mockups how it will look ? [06:58] Tonio_: we already have a patch for arabic fonts [06:58] Tonio_: but sure, if there's good stuff in debian we should merge [06:59] freeflying: I've not yet found the best way to work out if power manager should show, I may well use just laptop-detect [06:59] ok, /me is out [06:59] bye all === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [06:59] bye [07:00] exobuzz: you just made kwwii's day :) [07:00] :) [07:01] i hope usplash look will be livened up a little bit too.. [07:02] i mean.. it needs a balance between being informative too.. [07:03] there's a new high-res usplash but we don't know if it'll stay because it might break some syste [07:03] systems [07:04] i have usplash off as the first time i booted it displayed and then froze :/ [07:04] need to retest though.. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] that'll be the sort of problem then : [07:05] :) [07:05] :) [07:05] probably the laptops fault. like most laptops designed for windows, the bios is quite broken [07:10] the kubuntu wiki is very slow :/ === OdyX [n=Didier@59.65.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:24] Riddell: ping [07:32] so, who *is* here. === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@59.65.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seaLne is sort of here === OdyX [n=Didier@59.65.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] seaLne: were you having a problem with blank CDs being mounted? [07:50] yes [07:51] I put a blank CD in just then, and it wasn't automatically mounted. [07:51] it didn't show up when you typed mount? [07:52] just checking we were testing the same sort of way [07:53] ok, disk inserted..... waiting. [07:53] it appeared in system:/media as a blank CD. [07:54] mount says that it is not mounted. [07:54] kde's mediamanager also says that it is not mounted. [07:54] this is a CD-R. [07:54] i was using a cdrw, just blanking and i'll test again in a min === Sime looks for a cdrw [07:57] weird its not doing it today [07:58] BTW, if you try to open a blank CD in system:/media/ or media:/, it will get automatically mounted. [07:59] it happened to me 3 times yesterday === seaLne shrugs [08:00] i guess forget about it [08:03] media:/ mounts things on-demand. WHile the new kio patches mount things after they are inserted, except for blank disks. [08:03] so there is a slight difference in behaviour there. [08:04] btw is there a way to stop that? i hardly ever read cds and mainly just burn things to cdrw so having to unmount is annoying [08:05] not that thats very normal usage :) [08:07] why do you need to unmount? (the eject button on you drive should work ok) [08:07] to burn a cd [08:07] cdrw [08:09] i suppose this would infact cause problems for anyone reusing a cdrw [08:09] it also will cause problems if you want to copy a cd [08:09] possibly. [08:09] 1:1 [08:10] FWIW: in breezy we also had automount and I hated it. Don [08:10] The dialog in dapper was fine IMHO [08:10] i think the popup was good, if users wanted to allways automount they could tick the box [08:11] i don't like popups, would prefer to see an icon appearing (for me in kicker, for many people on desktop) :-) [08:11] mornfall: you can easily set that up. [08:11] probably :) [08:11] mornfall: add the "Storage Media" applet to your kicker [08:12] mornfall: icons are too hiden. And using RMB to get an action list if even more hidden. [08:12] well, clicking it should mount+show :) [08:13] and things should umount themselves when you stop using them (ala autofs) [08:13] allee, mornfall : you two should really check out the "Storage Media" applet [08:13] Sime: i personally don't care much, just trying to hypothesize of best default UI ;-) [08:13] it looks quite nice [08:13] mornfall: well, one may want to mount or reformat (k3b of kformat) an RW media [08:13] allee: well, yes [08:14] that would be a nice thing to be able to do from konq on a mounted medium [08:14] Sime: doesn't storage media applet just open(ed) konqy with media:/ now /media? [08:14] click the thing and have the actions as well as content handy [08:14] storage media applet isn't patched yet. (Working on it!) [08:16] You mean 'system menu' kicker button, then 'Storage media' item will habe submenu (devices) and subsub menues (actions) ? [08:17] there are two applets. The system menu and the storage media. Both need patching. [08:18] system menu is the HOme, Storage Media, Remote Places, Trash etc applet. [08:18] Lure wants the storage media one too. === Sime agrees with Lure. [08:22] Sime: will your patches version somehow handle the case of several partitions better? E.g,. inserting an USB disk with 6 partitions floods desktop with dialogs and the old 'media action dialog' shows not enough info which partition it is :( [08:23] I've need seen a USB disk with multipe partitions... [08:23] i know it is possible. [08:23] but most annoying is that an dialog does not go away when an medium is removed [08:23] Sime: come to my office. And I show you some of them ;) [08:24] that's a bit of an extreme case though. [08:24] which is my polite way of saying "It ain't high on my TODO list buddy!" === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] yeap, but even with 2 or 3 which happened with some USB sticks we bought, multiple dialog are hard to identify (no tool tip, no device name, mime-type etc info anywhere) [08:26] Sime: fair enough;) As long as it's nibbling in the back of your head ;) [08:27] :) === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] Riddell: ping ping ping :| === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.86.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:51] anyway [08:52] Riddell: 354 for dapper is having a dep issue: kdelibs4c2a depends on cupsys2 >= 1.2.1, but dapper only ships 1.2.0 [09:03] do you have dapper-updates enabled? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tuxist [n=jan@dyndsl-080-228-213-039.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:19] hi [09:20] is a amarok developer here [09:20] packager sorry [09:22] Tuxist: danimo and imbrandon i think. === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeoww [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] i have been made new amarok 14.2 packages with helix, libmtp, smb and nfs support based on imbrandon packages === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeoww is now known as omeow [09:27] crimsun: hehe, a user having that problem - though - YOUR DA KING :D [09:27] Riddell: forget about it ;-) [09:27] fdoving: and hobbsee [09:29] ftp://tuxist.de/Bildschirmphoto8.png [09:29] bildschirm is always good :D [09:30] Tuxist: smb and nfs support? [09:30] apachelogger: ok, copy that :) [09:30] yes [09:30] i upload the packages at this moment [09:31] what for smb and nfs support? [09:31] or actually, how smb and nfs support? [09:31] since 1.4.2 [09:31] libmtp is recommend for my packages [09:31] Oo [09:32] Tuxist: still don't get that [09:33] isn't smb and nfs handled with the kio slaves? [09:33] ftp://tuxist.de/edgy/libmtp [09:33] amarok is uploading [09:33] fdoving: neither xine nor helix nor nmm do support kio [09:33] i have in moment only amd64 packages [09:34] so only mounted nfs or smb will work [09:34] apachelogger: so, amarok has a proxy thing? [09:34] oha [09:34] fdoving: does have, though I think the kio stuff is not throwing through it [09:35] ok. [09:35] i actually don't use amarok anymore. [09:36] mpd+kmp fits my usage better. [09:36] you'd think different if I would get nmm to build properly [09:37] I think I'll just rape the nmm package in case it ever gets finished ;-) [09:37] nmm ? [09:38] * nmm = http://www.networkmultimedia.org/ [added by: apachelog] [09:39] ok i change this [09:39] i like that i can start MPD on the machine connected to the stereo.. and start clients from all computers in the network. [09:40] fdoving: nmm is basically doing the same, just that it's better and has an amarok engine :P [09:41] sounds nice. [09:41] can you easily have console-clients and webinterfaces too like mpd? [09:43] I at least think so [09:43] i must download 54mb with dsl 4000 :-( [09:43] wasn't able to try as I didn't got it build properly :P [09:43] I probably should try to compile cvs version [09:43] amarok 1.4.2 have a bug === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] in the mtpmediadevice.cpp [09:44] Tuxist: ? [09:45] at line 634 [09:45] QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) ); [09:45] Tuxist: where's the bug? [09:45] delete the line and use this QString ownername = QString( LIBMTP_Get_Friendlyname( m_device ) ); [09:45] you cant not compile without this change [09:46] they look exactly the same Oo [09:46] ok than have the amarok team clean this bug [09:47] very fine [09:47] nmm 0.9.2 it is a actuelly version [09:48] Tuxist: now tell me, where is the diff in the two lines you pasted :P === pascalFR [n=Pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:49] i have not made a patch i have this change manuelly ;-) [09:49] ups [09:52] my next project is to made fedora 6 kernel to ubuntu [09:52] lol [09:52] Tuxist: what is the issue with that line? [09:55] its a change in libmtp [09:55] 0.12 [09:55] ah [09:55] sec [09:55] imbrandon, Tuxist: http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=576121&view=rev [09:55] nearly forgot to report that to packagers ^^ [09:58] ftp://tuxist.de/Bildschirmphoto9.png === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.86.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:04] sebas: fix for brightness bug (if laptop does not have brightness control): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21575 [10:04] th packages are upload the source need a moment [10:04] sebas: tooltip is now much nicer [10:05] ftp://tuxist.de/edgy/amarok [10:08] all upload [10:09] now i work on the nmm support [10:15] sebas: why does g-p-m dcop interface use PID in the name? I suspect we will not allow more than one instance to run anyhow? [10:18] sebas: I suspect this is side effect of KApplication (instead of KUniqueApplication)? === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] I just saw the new Edgy Knot 2 artwork...interesting... [10:31] Viper550: yep, nice touch from kwwii [10:31] Interesting, is that the same Purple color scheme from Dapper Flight 2? [10:32] At least it looks better without that hideous wallpaper from that build... [10:34] Now, I'm just going to try it on my Keramik/QtCurve idea, hope it fits! === tuxi [n=jan@dyndsl-080-228-213-039.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:51] hi === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel