[12:11] <Eeyore> ! syslog
[12:11] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: well, i had powersaved installed temporarely and reinstalled kpowerdaemon which should've removed the former
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: so have you removed powersaved ?
[12:12] <DaSkreech> damn fritsch
[12:13] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: apparently not since it was running; but adept told me that it'll remove it after i've installed kpowerdaemon; and did restart since then
[12:13] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: corretion klaptopdaemon instead of kpowerdaemon
[12:14] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: seems it was kpowersave it was the one removed :-" outch
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> AtKaaZ: I don't know the differences between klaptopdaemon / kpowerdaemon but I would try and get them to run whatever events
[12:20] <JWKub> hello all
[12:20] <AtKaaZ> h3sp4wn: im pretty sure acpid is handling those events from /etc/acpi/events ... maybe as u said powersaved was doing that also
[12:21] <JWKub> anyone installed Kubuntu on a Serial ATA config? I'm using the Promise controller...and trying to install dual boot setup. Haven't found any documentation yet that has helped me so far...
[12:21] <JWKub> trying to run a raid 0 config
[12:21] <fyyrest0rm> any advantages to using adept manager vs apt-get? or does it matter?
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Hardware or software raid ?
[12:21] <AtKaaZ> fyyrest0rm: i guess it's all about the easier interface, is it not?
[12:22] <Erich-K> I prefer synaptic over both of those
[12:22] <orient2000> I have kubuntu on ATA. Disconect other HD first.
[12:22] <fyyrest0rm> AtKaaZ: I suppose so..but being a noob I didn't know if it made a difference or if one was just a gui for the other lol
[12:22] <AtKaaZ> btw, does anyone know how to set the keyboard back to normal, smth like SysReq+K (or the key that does Xlat)
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Does the sata controller have a bios on it ?
[12:23] <JWKub> my secondary? so basically if install winxp on my first drive and then disconnect that for install purposes i should have no problems with the grub boot loader upon startup?
[12:24] <JWKub> h3sp4wn> well I have a Phoenix System Bios and the controller does appear to have a bios since it starts up and i see --> Promise Raid Strip 2+0 etc etc..
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Does it appear to the os as just one drive ?
[12:24] <shane_> well after searching for a bit I found nothing to help me install nvidia drivers. all the writeups and howTos seems to be so ubuntu specific that it doesn't work on kubuntu. can anyone here just tell me how to install the drivers?
[12:25] <DaSkreech> shane_: easyubuntu?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Or are you wanting to use the raid in software
[12:25] <AtKaaZ> shane_: nvidia drivers for X ?
[12:25] <JWKub> h3sp4wn: well its confusing...it apears that linux loads the proper raid drives and then appears to have two disks as 'sda' and 'sdd'
[12:25] <shane_> I guess so. For 3D support.
[12:26] <JWKub> h3sp4wn: when I initially tried to install Kubuntu I repartitioned the second drive and installed...so linux appeared to distinguish between the two...however grub auto installed on the master boot record from what i saw and thus I got an error 21
[12:26] <AtKaaZ> shane_: well, if so, then launch 'adept' and search for 'nvidia-glx' eventually 'nvidia-settings' or just plain 'nvidia' to find more stuff; but nvidia-glx seems to be the driver
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Did you install with the alternate installer ?
[12:27] <shane_> I am signing up to the Kubuntu forums and if one of you guys helps me (and successful) I will do my own writeup in the forums.
[12:27] <obf213> how do i open ajava file like ourtunes
[12:27] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: Yes I did...
[12:27] <obf213> !java
[12:27] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:27] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: In fact that standard install wouldnt even load up properly so i was forced to
[12:27] <jhutchins> No sshd on the CD?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> !info ssh
[12:28] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[12:28] <obf213> anyone know how i open a java file
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: If you have a /boot partition not in the raid array and boot from that it should be ok
[12:28] <obf213> i have java sun installed but it just opens .jar fiels in ark
[12:28] <obf213> !.jar
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Only needs to  be for example 100mb
[12:28] <Hawkwind> jhutchins: sudo apt-get install ssh
[12:29] <AtKaaZ> sshd?
[12:29] <jhutchins> AtKaaZ: To enable remote ssh connections.
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> openssh-server
[12:29] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[12:29] <jhutchins> as in "here, boot to this CD and I'll ssh in and fix your computer".
[12:30] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: What would be the best way to accomplish this as I am working with the install routine of the alternate Kubuntu installer? would physically unplugging my drive during installing work? and if so in what order do i need to install?
[12:30] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: WinXP or Kubuntu
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Booting would be easiest if you could put a 100mb partition on the disk which is nothing to do with the raid array (mounted as /boot)
[12:31] <shane_> what is nvidia-glx-dev?
[12:31] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins: any luck or should we try smth else?
[12:32] <AtKaaZ> shane_: i guess that's for the developers compiling programs that use nvidia-glx driver ie. g++
[12:32] <jhutchins_lt> AtKaaZ: Sorry, multitasking.
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> shane_: The headers for building opengl programs with nvidia (similar to the mesa dev headers)
[12:32] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins_lt: np here :P
[12:32] <jhutchins_lt> I was just surprized that the sshd wasn't on the live CD.
[12:33] <fyyrest0rm> errr..trying to install jre through adept..i have to accept sun's eula..but i can't figure out a way to tell it ok..any suggestions?
[12:33] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins_lt: so it still isn't ?
[12:33] <jhutchins_lt> Ok, now for the tricky part... I need to chroot and run lilo.
[12:33] <obf213> anyone know i open a java file
[12:33] <jhutchins_lt> How do I shut down the GUI?
[12:33] <obf213> it just opens it in ark
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: I think the problem is grub being installed on a raid array - I think you could use lilo (but I think grub is much nicer to use)
[12:34] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: Kubuntu installer is making it hard. I could do an another partition but the raid array setup in Kubuntu installer is kind of limited...
[12:34] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins_lt: not sure if you are on the live cd now or ... ?
[12:34] <jhutchins_lt> lilo -R newkernel && shutdown -r now
[12:34] <jhutchins_lt> AtKaaZ: Yes, live CD.
[12:34] <jhutchins_lt> Actually this is a Mandriva laptop...
[12:35] <jhutchins> ... but this is the Kubuntu live CD.
[12:35] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins_lt: ouch , haven't used lilo with kubuntu
[12:35] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: unless i do the /boot mount at the beginning of the drive?
[12:35] <alex__> hi
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: As long as it is not in the raid array anywhere should be fine
[12:35] <jhutchins_lt> AtKaaZ: That's ok, that's a Mandriva install as well.
[12:35] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins but you have to be chrooted when u do that lilo thing right?
[12:35] <alex__> can someone help?
[12:36] <jhutchins_lt> I just want to kill KDE before I start doing chroot & stuff.
[12:36] <Ballistik> alex__: With what?
[12:36] <jhutchins_lt> AtKaaZ: Right.
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> jhutchins_lt: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:36] <alex__> first time linux user
[12:36] <alex__> I mean Kubuntu
[12:36] <AtKaaZ> jhutchins_lt: well i assume you know what to do from here :)
[12:36] <alex__> used Fedora before
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> jhutchins_lt: sudo init 1 (if you want to be in single user mode)
[12:36] <jhutchins> Thank you.  This ID will go away now.
[12:36] <alex__> I am trying to install the ATI drivers
[12:37] <alex__> I need to su
[12:37] <alex__> but everytime I type my password
[12:37] <alex__> it says that authentication failed
[12:37] <fyyrest0rm> alex_: use sudo
[12:37] <alex__> sudo and then password?
[12:37] <AtKaaZ> yes
[12:37] <AtKaaZ> (if any)
[12:38] <alex__> so su is not used in Kubuntu?
[12:38] <Ballistik> alex__: No
[12:38] <alex__> ok
[12:38] <linuxkid2> alex__: you type sudo <command>, input the password when it prompts, and then your authorized for fifteen minutes.
[12:38] <Ballistik> Use sudo in place of su - in kubuntu
[12:38] <linuxkid2> if you want a root shell instead of one command, use ither kdesu konsole or sudo su
[12:38] <alex_> fyyrest0rm: ??
[12:38] <alex__> so "sudo ./ati-installer........ blah blah MYPASSWORD"
[12:39] <alex_> what?
[12:39] <Ballistik> alex__: Yes
[12:39] <alex__> ok
[12:39] <fyyrest0rm> alex_: yes?
[12:39] <alex__> let me try
[12:39] <linuxkid2> alex__: no, type sudo <command> <return>, the it prompts for the password.
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> alex_: you need to chmod +x ati-installer first
[12:39] <alex__> ok
[12:39] <alex__> sudo su seems to have done the trick
[12:39] <alex_> fyyrest0rm: i'm not
[12:39] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: so if i install win xp behind linux it should install its mbr on the second drive even if its in the raid config.
[12:39] <alex__> let me try to install the drivers
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Install XP first
[12:40] <alex_> fyyrest0rm: alex__ I alex_
[12:40] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: to which drive?
[12:40] <fyyrest0rm> alex_: umm..huh?
[12:40] <alex__> ok
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: At the moment you have 1 master drive - and then 2 serial ata drives you want in raid 0 - is that correct
[12:41] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: no i have two disk in the raid config...
[12:41] <alex__> uh oh
[12:41] <linuxkid2> How do I get Xine (kaffiene & amaroK) to play Real and Quicktime formats?
[12:41] <alex__> there were errors during the installation
[12:42] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: and they both plug into the promise serial ata controller...
[12:42] <fyyrest0rm> ugh.. got sun-java5-jre done through apt-get, try to run frostwire and get a few lines of "unable to locate java exec in blah blah blah hierarchy" and it says to upgrade to java 1.4.x or newer..what have i done wrong this time? lol
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: The problem is whether the way the raid array is setup by windows is the same as it would be setup by linux - that I don't know
[12:42] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: and its a Dell XPS which may complicate things since i think dell configs always have that utility boot area in part 0 and the mbr in part 1 of the main disk
[12:43] <alex__> [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[12:43] <alex__> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[12:43] <alex__> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult read
[12:43] <alex__> me.
[12:43] <alex__> I got this
[12:43] <alex__> in the fglrx-install log
[12:43] <linuxkid2> Please don't paste in here.
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> Why is it that mandriva and suse appear to use kde window decorations in the demo's I see for XGL but kubuntu still can't? or does it work in edgy?
[12:43] <linuxkid2> !paste
[12:43] <alex__> sorry
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:43] <alex__> didn't know
[12:44] <alex_> alex__ no repeat
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> alex__: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-headers-386
[12:44] <linuxkid2> it's okay, just do it right next time.
[12:44] <alex__> is that a command?
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> alex__: Yep put it into konsole
[12:44] <alex__> ok
[12:44] <lupine>  !!! linux-headers !!!
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-headers !!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:45] <lupine> not kernel-headers
[12:45] <linuxkid2> How do I get Xine (kaffiene & amaroK) to play Real and Quicktime formats?
[12:45] <pierreth> hello
[12:45] <pierreth> who is using kontact?
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> lupine: true (it hasn't been kernel-headers for ages has it)
[12:46] <lupine> it always catches me out as well
[12:46] <alex__> that command you gave me failed
[12:46] <linuxkid2> pierreth: what's the problem?
[12:46] <alex__> assertion `rval != -1` failed
[12:46] <pierreth> linuxkid2: i don't see the full name in the 1st column
[12:46] <JWKub> H3sp4wn: i think it is since they seem to identify the drives in the same order and recognize each others partitions..i think its a problem of the boot partition...however let me try your partition advice and see if that will aleviate the problem. What I will do is do a /boot partition the main partition and then the swap on drive one. and then I will do xp on the second drive and ensure that it writes its boot record on the second disk
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> JWKub: Are you wanting XP to use raid 0 as well ?
[12:47] <pierreth> linuxkid2: i have to modify the contact to make it appear
[12:47] <linuxkid2> pierreth: the full name is called the Format Name when you import things. That was my problem, set it to name when importing Gmail contacts.
[12:47] <linuxkid2> *Formatted Name
[12:47] <mcrandello> It's safe to update X with adept?
[12:48] <pierreth> linuxkid2: you mean set it in the preferences or in the import dialog?
[12:48] <Ballistik> !konsole
[12:48] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 673 kB, installed size 2096 kB
[12:48] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[12:49] <alex__> so what about that error?
[12:49] <alex_> MrObvious: no recomendable
[12:49] <Ballistik> !kde 3.5.3
[12:49] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[12:49] <linuxkid2> pierreth: when in the import dialog, I set the full name column to "Name" instead of "Format Name" when I imported the first time.
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> alex__: What is the error ?
[12:49] <alex__> assertion `rval != -1` failed
[12:49] <linuxkid2> pierreth: and I got the same problem.
[12:49] <pierreth> linuxkid2: ok, i am going to try
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> alex__: so if you type sudo aptitude install linux-headers-386 build-essential (the error you get is assertion `rval != -1` failed)
[12:50] <alex__> correct
[12:50] <alex__> that's the error I get
[12:51] <alex__> actually
[12:51] <alex__> hang on
[12:51] <alex__> I think I know what the problem is
[12:51] <mcrandello> adept updater ought to list the date on updated packages.
[12:52] <linuxkid2> that'd be nice.
[12:52] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[12:52] <linuxkid2> Does Aptitude or Synaptic do that?
[12:52] <alex__> I resolved that issue
[12:52] <mcrandello> is there a feature request site anywhere I can put that in
[12:52] <alex__> I executed the command you gave me with no errors
[12:52] <linuxkid2> *shrugs* no idea.
[12:52] <mcrandello> it wouldn't even be that hard just the "last touched" date from the server
[12:53] <alex__> drivers installation still fails though
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> alex__: that should give you enough for the ati-installer to build the modules
[12:53] <alex__> hehe... sadly it didn't
[12:53] <alex__> I still get the same error
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> alex__: you are doing sudo ati-installer --buildpkg ubuntu/dapper
[12:54] <alex__> so ubuntu/dapper is the parameter?
[12:54] <alex__> (as in which package to use?)
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> alex__: That should build 4 .deb files in the current directory
[12:54] <alex__> let me try
[12:54] <linuxkid2> mcrandello: well, you can bet that the upgradeable package was updated between the last time you ran an update and this.
[12:55] <linuxkid2> unless it's a new repo
[12:55] <linuxkid2> How do I get Xine (kaffiene & amaroK) to play Real and Quicktime formats?
[12:55] <mcrandello> yeah I'm just very nervous about updating X and wanted to make sure I wasn't getting the bum one
[12:56] <gnomefreak> mcrandello: you will be getting the fixed one
[12:56] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[12:56] <alex__> The distribution 'ubuntu' is not supported
[12:56] <alex__> I guess there is nothing I can do about that is there?
[12:56] <alex__> that message is given by the installer
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> alex__: run ati-installer --help
[12:57] <alex__> ok
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> alex__: then ati-installer --listpkg (its something like that I forget exactly) you want the ubuntu/dapper or ubuntu/lts one
[12:57] <linuxkid2> mcrandello: the bum version is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3, the good one is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4.
[12:57] <mcrandello> :)
[12:57] <alex__> trying now
[12:57] <mcrandello> all good then
[12:57] <linuxkid2> mcrandello: you can use aptitude to blacklist certian versions of packages.
[12:57] <linuxkid2> dunno how though.
[12:58] <linuxkid2> How do I get Xine (kaffiene & amaroK) to play Real and Quicktime formats?
[12:58] <linuxkid2> quicktime anyone?
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> linuxkid2: w32codecs
[12:59] <linuxkid2> oh,ok, I already installed that.
[12:59] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[12:59] <alex__> I ran the listpkg parameter
[12:59] <alex__> ubuntu is listen
[12:59] <alex__> listled
[12:59] <alex__> Ubuntu/6.06
[12:59] <alex__> is that what I use?
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[01:00] <alex__> actually...
[01:00] <alex__> even Ubuntu/dapper is listed
[01:00] <alex__> use that?
[01:00] <fyyrest0rm> anyone use klibido?
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> alex__: Either should be the same
[01:00] <alex__> ok
[01:00] <alex__> usage should be in the --help parameter I assume
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> ./ati-installer --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper
[01:01] <alex__> ok
[01:01] <alex__> yea
[01:01] <alex__> found it
[01:02] <linuxkid2> isn't there some utility that turns make builds into deb packages?
[01:02] <alex__> I did that
[01:02] <alex__> now what?
[01:02] <alex__> (I got an error in the end
[01:03] <alex__> Error 127
[01:03] <alex__> no description is given
[01:03] <Hawkwind> linuxkid2: Checkinstall but I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.  Very poorly written application
[01:03] <linuxkid2> Hawkwind: what's teh matter with it. Sounds like a good idea. That's the one I was thinking of.
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> alex__: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide (have a look at method 2 - that is what you are trying to do)
[01:04] <alex__> ok
[01:04] <Hawkwind> linuxkid2: It just build pretty crappy packages.  Not something I'd use on my system
[01:04] <Hawkwind> linuxkid2: If you want to build packages, learn to do them the proper and correct way and save yourself the heartache and possibility of messing up yours or anyone elses system
[01:05] <Ballistik> Do you guys know a fix for the 3.5.3 screensaver problem?
[01:05] <linuxkid2> Hawkwind: it's just that "make install"ed packages are hard to uninstall.
[01:05] <linuxkid2> Hawkwing: what is the proper way?
[01:05] <pierreth> my gnucash is stuck
[01:05] <pierreth> clicking the buttons does nothing
[01:05] <linuxkid2> Hawkwind: what is the proper way?
[01:05] <Hawkwind> linuxkid2: There are many how-to's on the Ubuntu forums
[01:05] <linuxkid2> k
[01:06] <pierreth> it is freshly installed
[01:06] <Hawkwind> pierreth: So kill it from a terminal if you need to
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> linuxkid2: just use installwatch to track programs installed with make install
[01:06] <linuxkid2> k
[01:06] <pierreth> Hawkwind: but i cannot use it at all
[01:07] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[01:07] <alex__> I am encountering errors
[01:07] <Hawkwind> pierreth: How did you install it ?
[01:07] <alex__> this step: sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.28.8-1_i386.deb
[01:07] <pierreth> Hawkwind: with the Synaptic installer
[01:07] <alex__> gives an error
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> alex__: What error if I have to ask for the error each time it will take longer
[01:08] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Have you tried killing it and then running it from a terminal to see what errors it gives you ?
[01:09] <alex__> sorry, I thought I typed it
[01:09] <pierreth> Hawkwind: i found the problem, a window was hidden and blocking the process
[01:09] <alex__> simply says no such file
[01:09] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Ah ok.  So it's actually working then ?
[01:09] <Ballistik> Do you guys know a fix for the 3.5.3 screensaver problem?
[01:09] <Hawkwind> Ballistik: What problem ?
[01:09] <pierreth> Hawkwind: no this is a bug
[01:09] <Ballistik> Hawkwind: Where the screensaver won't start
[01:10] <Hawkwind> Ballistik: Hmmm, haven't heard anything about it
[01:10] <jujimufu> gtg
[01:10] <jujimufu> byes :)
[01:10] <Ballistik> Bye
[01:12] <alex__> ?
[01:13] <alex__> anyone still here?
[01:13] <mcrandello> the 3.5.4 kde stuff ought to be showing up in adept, right?
[01:14] <pierreth> gnucash cannot import my quicken files :-(
[01:15] <Tonren> Has anyone experienced that GNOME breaks when you install Kubuntu-desktop?
[01:16] <alex__> h3sp4wn
[01:16] <alex__> are you still there?
[01:17] <larson9999> hmmm, bought an 80gb dvr for $5 at a thrift store.  doesn't look like i'll be able to use it as a dvr :)  guess i'll have to go mythtv or freevo
[01:17] <alex__> can anyone else help me?
[01:18] <rlj> the khotkeys applet in my system settings crash when selecting the "command shortcuts" tab. is this a known problem or might it just be my particular installation?
[01:19] <Ballistik> Is there a way to update my KDE 3.5.2 to 3.5.3 instead of having to completely redownload kde?
[01:19] <rlj> so i copied some raw program launch shortcuts from my gentoo box's khotkeysrc and it works after a kde restart. still annoying it always segfaults system settings...
[01:19] <Viper550> Ballistik: sudo apt-get update kubuntu-desktop?
[01:19] <alex__> anyone tried to install the ATI drivers on kubuntu?
[01:19] <Viper550> I mean apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <mcrandello> alex__: I just downloaded them and then ran the installer after blacklisting the fglrx module from the restricted drivers
[01:20] <rlj> can't find any reference to my prob on the launchpad
[01:20] <alex__> and how do I do the blacklisting?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> I rule @!!  :-)
[01:20] <mcrandello> alex__ hang on
[01:21] <alex__> oh
[01:21] <alex__> I think I found it
[01:21] <alex__> is it this: sudo gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[01:21] <alex__> ?
[01:21] <mcrandello> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php?title=Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide&printable=yes#blacklist_old_fglrx_module_from_linux-restricted-modules
[01:22] <Ballistik> Viper550: Thanks
[01:22] <alex__> yep that's the one
[01:22] <alex__> I get an error... it says that gedit: command no found
[01:22] <mcrandello> try using kate instead
[01:22] <alex__> what other editors are there?
[01:22] <alex__> kate?
[01:22] <alex__> ok
[01:22] <mcrandello> that's pretty much the kubuntu equivalent
[01:23] <Viper550> Remember, sudo apt-get upgrade kde (if you want to just upgrade KDE apps), or sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop (if you want to upgrade all the apps that came with Kubuntu, including KDE)
[01:23] <alex__> I got an error
[01:23] <Viper550> alex__, try kedit, it's alot faster than Kate, and a bit more simliar to gedit
[01:23] <mcrandello> Viper550: I'm not seeing any updates is there something other than the official repos I have to enable?
[01:23] <alex__> says connectino refused by server
[01:23] <alex__> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:24] <mcrandello> alex__  you running it as root?
[01:24] <Viper550> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[01:24] <MarcC> is it OK to kill the ubuntudb process?
[01:24] <MarcC> sorry, updatedb
[01:25] <alex__> yes
[01:25] <mcrandello> make sure your prompt is a "%" or "$" if it is a "#" then type exit until it's one of the first two :)
[01:25] <alex__> I am running as root
[01:25] <alex__> ok
[01:25] <mcrandello> you get that message whenever the user in the console is not the same as the one running X
[01:25] <alex__> oh ok
[01:25] <alex__> I'll try now then
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> MarcC: You don't want to stop that (it indexes everything for use with the locate command)
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> MarcC: It doesn't run very often
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> MarcC: (unless its running constantly which would be a problem)
[01:27] <MarcC> ok thanks
[01:27] <alex__> I was able to edit it in Kate
[01:27] <alex__> but while I did that the console gave me a bucketload of errors
[01:27] <alex__> I checked whether it was saved though and it was
[01:28] <jontec> can anyone tell me what I need to do to use vmware player. I'd like to be able to use windows, or do I need something else? :D
[01:28] <alex__> so to install the driver to I need to do "sudo su" again?
[01:28] <alex__> prior to installation?
[01:28] <jontec> or would it be better to run Kubuntu from windows?
[01:28] <mcrandello> alex whenever you use X or KDE programs from the console you may see debugging stuff like that
[01:28] <alex__> oh ok
[01:29] <mcrandello> alex__ also you should just be able to "sudo sh whatever-the-name-of-the-ati-drivers.run"
[01:29] <alex__> ok
[01:31] <alex__> ok
[01:31] <alex__> so I installed the driver
[01:31] <alex__> I ran aticonfig --initial
[01:31] <alex__> and this is the error I got
[01:32] <alex__> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[01:33] <alex__> anyone still there?
[01:33] <mcrandello> you put sudo in front of that aticonfig?
[01:33] <alex__> lol
[01:33] <alex__> it's always the sudo
[01:33] <alex__> it's going to take time to get used to it
[01:33] <alex__> worked
[01:34] <alex__> ok... I guess I have to restart
[01:34] <mcrandello> any time you're working with the system
[01:34] <bimberi> alex__: sudo aticonfig....
[01:34] <alex__> I am going to restart
[01:34] <alex__> if I have trouble I'll be back
[01:35] <alex__> thanks for the help
[01:39] <josh__> k how do i download nvidia-glx
[01:39] <josh__> whats that command
[01:39] <josh__> its like alsa get nvigia-glx??
[01:40] <fyyrest0rm> what would cause my system to seriously start lagging when switching desktops all of a sudden?
[01:40] <Ballistik> sudo apt-get nvigia-glx?
[01:41] <fyyrest0rm> hmm..its not just when switching desktops either..minimizing/maximizing apps too
[01:41] <jontec> I need assistance with vmware...
[01:41] <OpeNZ> jontec: whats wrong
[01:42] <jontec> I don't know anything about it.
[01:42] <jontec> How can I get it to run windows?
[01:42] <josh__> aaah thats the one
[01:42] <jontec> or do I need another piece of software? Or can I have it run Kubuntu from Windows?
[01:43] <OpeNZ> AFAIK you can run any OS from whatever platform
[01:43] <josh__> can you use automatix in kubuntu x86_64?
[01:43] <OpeNZ> I have run VMware on both windoze and kubuntu
[01:44] <OpeNZ> jontec: Are you running vmware server or player?
[01:44] <jontec> Okay, does one run better and how do I do it?
[01:44] <jontec> VMplayer
[01:45] <jontec> sorry VMware player
[01:45] <OpeNZ> do you have a vmware image for Windows?
[01:45] <OpeNZ> Player will only play existing vm images
[01:46] <exobuzz> has anyone tried upgrading from dapper to edgy and run into a problem with python2.4-minimal not installing. (And know of a workaround). got a half installed system here :/
[01:46] <jontec> Nope, do you need something to make it? Is it free to make it?
[01:46] <OpeNZ> if you want to build an xp workstation under vmware then you need to install vmserver
[01:47] <waspius> hi..i just found out what karamba does and how nice it is...if i use a simple desktop such as fluxbox will i be able to use karamba without using allot of resources as i would if i used it in kde?
[01:47] <jontec> one sec and I'll look it up in Adept
[01:48] <jontec> directed at OpeNZ
[01:48] <OpeNZ> you need to download it from vmware - free download
[01:49] <jontec> do I need to run it from windows?
[01:50] <OpeNZ> if you have a ubuntu or kubuntu box you can install it there - you will need the linux version of course :)
[01:51] <jake1> i need help, can anyone help me.... i know this is a kubuntu channel but seemingly no one is able to help me in the ubuntu channel..... but i need help figuring out why is it that whenever i try to install ubuntu from the CD to my laptop my screen looks like this (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/num1nm4c/Laptop.jpg) this makes it impossible to install ubuntu
[01:53] <jake1> any ideas
[01:53] <jake1> ????
[01:54] <OpeNZ> jontec: follow this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_vmware_server
[01:54] <jontec> thanks, I was just about to ask you if you knew anywhere that I could look
[01:54] <jake1> :-\
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Which CD?
[01:55] <OpeNZ> jontec: download vmserver for linux at http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[01:55] <OpeNZ> it is about 110MB
[01:55] <jake1> DaSkreech: you asking me????
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Yup
[01:55] <jake1> DaSkreech: I tried the alternate installer, and i tried the other one
[01:56] <jake1> the original
[01:56] <DaSkreech> And both do that?
[01:56] <jake1> and they both are doing the same thing
[01:56] <DaSkreech> The Desktop?
[01:56] <jake1> unless i did something wierd on the second i selected text installer
[01:56] <jake1> and i got that screen
[01:56] <jake1> but it did that as well on the other cd
[01:56] <DaSkreech> How did you select text installer?
[01:56] <jake1> The Desktop?
[01:56] <jake1> what about the desktop?
[01:56] <DaSkreech> The Other CD is called the Desktop CD
[01:57] <DaSkreech> It's a live CD
[01:57] <jake1> oh
[01:57] <jake1> yea
[01:57] <jake1> that one
[01:57] <jake1> that's the one i tried
[01:57] <DaSkreech> That doesn't boot up?
[01:57] <jake1> nope
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[01:57] <DaSkreech>  !laptop
[01:57] <jake1> it gives me that screen
[01:57] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[01:57] <jake1> yea laptop
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Can you look at those links and see if your laptop is in the lists?
[01:57] <josh__> whats happens when you do a complete upgrade in adept
[01:58] <arvin> salut
[02:00] <josh__> ok one more question guys
[02:00] <jontec> Thanks for the help, I don't think that I will be able to get around to this before the end of the week (I'm on dial-up and that file is 100MB!) I also think that I need to free up some disk space.
[02:00] <fyyrest0rm> anyone here have experience with WoW and wine?
[02:00] <josh__> whats the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev
[02:01] <josh__> does one support 3d applications and one doesn't?
[02:01] <fyyrest0rm> josh_: get both
[02:01] <josh__> oh ok
[02:01] <josh__> so now i can use 3d stuff?
[02:01] <fyyrest0rm> josh_: i believe (could be wrong) nvidia-glx is the driver and nvidia-glx-dev is the header stuff
[02:01] <josh__> ooooh
[02:02] <josh__> well i hope i can do 3d work now
[02:02] <josh__> i've been trying to do this forever
[02:02] <fyyrest0rm> josh_: i feel your pain lol
[02:02] <josh__> then i type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after right?
[02:02] <fyyrest0rm> josh_: took me a couple days and many questions here to get mine working
[02:02] <fyyrest0rm> josh: yeah
[02:02] <ubuntu> Problem: I installed nvidia drivers through Adept. I installed nvidia-glx . I then edited my xorg.conf from nv to nvidia. After ctrl+alt+backspace it froze up at the boot splash (black background blue kubuntu). I hit ctrl+alt+F1 and went into my xorg.conf to change it back to nv from nvidia and now it is showing ATI drivers... changing nvidia back to nv does nothing and it still freezes at boot.
[02:03] <josh__> yessss
[02:03] <ubuntu> I am now in a safe graphical boot from CD
[02:04] <ubuntu> Any way to "undo" what I did?
[02:05] <riper> hii all
[02:05] <rrbiz> hi riper, what's up
[02:06] <ubuntu> Are you guys able to see my messages?
[02:06] <rrbiz> sure ubuntu
[02:06] <fyyrest0rm> ubuntu: i can see them..i just don't have an answer :)
[02:06] <ubuntu> Ok its format and reinstall time (second time) woo hoo.
[02:07] <josh__> it says my x config has been altered
[02:07] <ubuntu> Actually 3rd but who is counting besides me.
[02:07] <MarcC> ubuntu, why not change to vesa?
[02:07] <ubuntu> What is vesa?
[02:07] <MarcC> change "nvidia" to "vesa" in your xorg.conf
[02:07] <MarcC> then restart X
[02:07] <josh__> last time i tried to change my thing from nv to nvidia it crashed
[02:07] <MarcC> it's a primitive graphics mode, but at least it gives you windows and such
[02:08] <Ballistik> How can i add a link to Storage Media on the desktop?
[02:08] <MarcC> (at reduced refresh rate but same resolution)
[02:08] <josh__> in case i screw it up what's that application you can use in the console mode to edit files?
[02:08] <ubuntu> pico
[02:08] <josh__> whats the command to run it
[02:08] <ubuntu> pico
[02:08] <josh__> thats it?
[02:08] <MarcC> josh__, you can use vesa too if you need to
[02:08] <ubuntu> just type pico
[02:09] <josh__> oh oik
[02:09] <mcrandello> or nano
[02:09] <ubuntu> type pico space filename
[02:09] <josh__> so pico and then /filename right?
[02:09] <ubuntu> aye
[02:09] <Ballistik> How can i add a link to Storage Media on the desktop?
[02:09] <OpeNZ> jontec: I think the install takes around 180 - 200MB once everything has bee uncompressed and installed
[02:09] <ubuntu> i think sudo -e filename works too
[02:10] <ubuntu> I am a bit of a newb but I can do some things
[02:10] <josh__> ok i'll change that now
[02:10] <josh__> wish me luck i hope this works!
[02:11] <ubuntu> vesa sounds sketchy because if I will from then on have to run in vesa there is no point. What linux distro has the best support? SuSE?
[02:11] <rrbiz> Ballistik, right click on desktop go to properties, and select behavior, then device icons tab, and set it up from there
[02:11] <MarcC> ubuntu, support for what?
[02:11] <josh__> ok how do i save?
[02:11] <josh__> in pico
[02:12] <MarcC> josh__, instructions are at the bottom of the window, I think you just hit Ctrl+X to quit and it will ask you if you want to save
[02:12] <ubuntu> once pico is open at the bottom of the screen is all the commands (ctrl+x exits and gives the option of saving)
[02:12] <josh__> oooooh ok
[02:13] <josh__> ok so sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:13] <mcrandello> ^O to write out or simply ^X to prompt
[02:13] <josh__> then edit and save
[02:13] <josh__> alright
[02:13] <josh__> i'll try to restart x now
[02:13] <ubuntu> good luck
[02:14] <ubuntu> MarcC scroll up and read my fat post at 19:03
[02:14] <MrObvious> ubuntu: Lose some weight then :p
[02:14] <rrbiz> does any here directly work for Ubuntu, or is it users helping users mainly in here?
[02:14] <MarcC> ubuntu, I don't have that history
[02:14] <MarcC> (restarted x just now)
[02:15] <MrObvious> ubuntu: Laugh :p
[02:15] <ubuntu> There is no write up on the web that I could find specifically for Kubuntu (not to be confused with the slightly different Ubuntu) on how to simply install nvidia drivers. As it appears something is broken
[02:16] <ubuntu> Problem: I installed nvidia drivers through Adept. I installed nvidia-glx . I then edited my xorg.conf from nv to nvidia. After ctrl+alt+backspace it froze up at the boot splash (black background blue kubuntu). I hit ctrl+alt+F1 and went into my xorg.conf to change it back to nv from nvidia and now it is showing ATI drivers... changing nvidia back to nv does nothing and it still freezes at boot.
[02:16] <MarcC> can you check in adept and see if you have ati stuff installed?
[02:16] <MarcC> and also, you will need nvidia-kernel-common or something like that, I think
[02:17] <ubuntu> I cannot log into that installation except command line now
[02:17] <MarcC> ok, that's why you switch xorg.conf device to "vesa" for the time being...it works perfect for situations like this.
[02:18] <ubuntu> MarcC ok i will try that
[02:18] <MarcC> good, your situation isn't so foreign to me, I went through it 2 years ago :)
[02:19] <tuxon> Hi there... just dropping by... I've just finished installing Kubuntu on my +4200 amd64 x2 and I must say it rocks!
[02:20] <mae> anyone suggest some fully-linux-friendly (all hardware) core2 laptops?
[02:20] <mcrandello> once you get it working do something like "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/WORKING-xorg.conf"
[02:22] <Ballistik> How can i add a link to 'Storage Media:/' on the desktop?
[02:23] <tuxon> I do have to admit that I had to fish around for some libs for all the apps I wanted... mostly multimedia stuff but now that it's done i'm really having fun :-)
[02:24] <james_xxx> does anyone in here use a linksys wusb54g wireless adapter?
[02:24] <james_xxx> OR a wusb54gs? i have both
[02:25] <dabugas> hi
[02:26] <SotelkanAssault> Could you help me to install KDE on my ubuntu?
[02:26] <DaSkreech> SotelkanAssault: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:26] <dabugas> SotelkanAssault: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop "
[02:27] <SotelkanAssault> ok
[02:27] <dabugas> heh
[02:27] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[02:27] <dabugas> :p
[02:27] <dabugas> it was the quotes that did me in
[02:27] <james_xxx> i didnt even have a chance to hit enter lol
[02:27] <Catull> hi :)
[02:28] <Catull> ^^
[02:28] <dabugas> okay, help now. i can't get kscd to play cds (although i have sound throughout my system)
[02:28] <dabugas> any ideas?
[02:28] <lupine> jzmes_xxx: which version of wusb54g?
[02:28] <james_xxx> i am using a linksys wusb54g v.4 wireless adapter, and it is causing my system to hang off and on, forcing me to reboot...
[02:28] <james_xxx> lupine: v.4
[02:28] <lupine> ah, it's based on the rt2500usb chipset then
[02:28] <james_xxx> lupine: yes
[02:28] <lupine> which driver are you using for it?
[02:28] <lupine> and are you unplugging/plugging it in a lot?
[02:29] <james_xxx> lupine: let me look again....
[02:29] <lupine> i.e. ndiswrapper, or did it set itself up automagically, or did you install one?
[02:29] <Catull> o_O i think i will be subject to fun, when im starting to ask newb-questions here -.-
[02:29] <james_xxx> lupine: i am using ndiswrapper with rt2500usb
[02:29] <james_xxx> lupine: i do not unplug it
[02:30] <lupine> right, you can get rid of ndiswrapper - there is a native driver
[02:30] <lupine> which kernel version are you using?
[02:30] <dabugas> Catull: no worries; i'm being mocked all over the place since '98 and i keep comming up with them :)
[02:30] <james_xxx> lupine: wow, awesome, i had no idea
[02:30] <Catull> lol ;)
[02:30] <lupine> :D
[02:30] <lupine> (uname -r)
[02:30] <james_xxx> lupine: i am using the most recent 2.6.15.**** from the repos
[02:30] <lupine> so 2.6.15-26-386 ?
[02:31] <james_xxx> 686
[02:31] <Catull> well guys and gals, actually im just about to install kubuntu right now, an i was hoping to get some help :)
[02:32] <lupine> ok. What you need to do then is to build the kernel module yourself - the sources are at...
[02:32] <Catull> :P
[02:32] <Ballistik> Kubuntu is great
[02:32] <lupine> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt2570-cvs-daily.tar.gz
[02:32] <james_xxx> yikes... i have no idea how to build a kernel module:(
[02:32] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[02:32] <gekko`> Catull: each new kubuntu user makes us smile :)
[02:32] <lupine> really easy to do: make sure you've got build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.15-26-686 installed
[02:33] <DaSkreech> Catull: install the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:33] <james_xxx> ok lemme check on those, i think i have them already
[02:33] <larson9999> catull there are a couple pretty nice newbie docs that will help. come here for the links.  i got to run
[02:33] <Catull> i thought im going to start with a partition of my hd, cause i want to keep xp in the first place using magic partition - ok for u guys?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> larson9999: Later
[02:33] <DaSkreech> Ohh sorry I thought you had Ubuntu already installed :)
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Catull: You will need at least two I recommned three files
[02:34] <lupine> ok; then open a terminal, cdto wherever the archive is (~/Desktop usually), unpack the archive (tar -xzvf rt2570-cvs-daily.tar.gz) and cd into the directory created...
[02:34] <lupine> then CD into the 'Module' directory and run make
[02:34] <larson9999> lupine what do you need to build a kernel for?  i'm always curious when i hear that because i've never had to and i've been a user since 1997.  maybe i just never had new enough hw
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Doh not files I mean partitions :)
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Catull: ^^^
[02:35] <Catull> k i have only about 10 gigs free space... enough?
[02:35] <lupine> you build your own *kernel* (Rather than kernel module) if you want to support some weird hardware, or if you want to get a speed increase
[02:35] <james_xxx> lupine: ok, i had to install those
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Yep
[02:35] <lupine> ok; did you get the ^ instructions ^
[02:35] <Ballistik> Is there a media player that will play .wmv files?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Catull: Have two Paritions then
[02:36] <Catull> thats what ive thought :)
[02:36] <josh__> guys
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Catull: How much spacewil that leave Windows?
[02:36] <larson9999> lupine: yeah, i guess i never have wierd hw.
[02:36] <DaSkreech> josh__: Yup?
[02:36] <Catull> 30gig
[02:36] <josh__> i installed the firefox package but how do i run firefox?
[02:36] <lupine> depends if it's encrypted
[02:36] <Catull> im about to delete some movies^^
[02:36] <lupine> if not, then mplayer  - or just kaffeine - + w32codecs would work fine
[02:36] <james_xxx> lupine: i did, but i will get stuck at the make part.... so i hope you'll be here for a minute or two
[02:36] <dabugas> josh__: mozilla-firefox
[02:36] <larson9999> Catull: are you trying linux for the first time?
[02:36] <lupine> will be :)
[02:36] <josh__> thats teh command?
[02:36] <linuxkid2> Ballistik: sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Catull: That's enough to play around in but as you realize that Windows is useless you will start to want more space in Linux :0
[02:37] <Ballistik> linuxkid2: Thanks
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Catull: That's fine for starting though
[02:37] <Catull> well, yes... i used to work on mac... im forced now to use a pc and i dont like xp anymore :)
[02:37] <linuxkid2> Ballistik: that's a Kaffiene plug in.
[02:37] <lupine> make is easy: you just type 'make'. it'll spew out loads of junk, hopefully not ending in 'error'; then you can type 'sudo make install' to put it in your kernel's module directory
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Catull: My apologies :)
[02:38] <Catull> :) xp suckz^^
[02:38] <josh__> how do i make it so that firefox will come up in the kmenu
[02:38] <Ballistik> Now i get "A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll" Any ideas?
[02:39] <fyyrest0rm> ok..i'm hooked i think lol..don't even need any video codecs. i'm loving it :)
[02:39] <linuxkid2> Hey, as far as computers go, I used Mac until about 99, then Win98 and ME till a couple of weeks ago, now I use Kubuntu
[02:39] <Catull> cask: i should use names... its overcrowded here :)
[02:39] <larson9999> Catull: my advice is along the lines of DaSkreech if you're just checking out linux for now i'd just use those 10 gigs the way the install wants.  after you mess around a bit, you'll like want to resize the windows partition and maybe reinstall linux to you liking based on what you learned in this first go around.
[02:40] <Catull> well... i planed to get myself a new and bigger hd only for kubuntu if everything is going well in the first place :)
[02:40] <james_xxx> lupine: when i click on the link you gave me, do i need to extract that to a folder or just save it?
[02:40] <Ballistik> Now i get "A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll" Any ideas?
[02:40] <lupine> james_xxx: you can just extract it
[02:41] <lupine> straIght onto your desktop will be fine
[02:41] <larson9999> that's a good iedea
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Well next question is how much RAM do you have
[02:42] <Catull> i wanted to try linux years ago, but to be honest, was a little bit scared... but with the impressing guis nowadays, shouldnt be that big problem ;)
[02:42] <Catull> 512
[02:42] <Catull> 512 mb
[02:42] <lupine> linux is still big and scary. but prettier ;)
[02:42] <Catull> hehe...
[02:42] <james_xxx> lupine: ok, i extracted it to a folder, but when i ran your command i got errors
[02:43] <lupine> ok, can you stick them on a pastebin?
[02:43] <james_xxx> yes
[02:43] <lupine> ok, will make life easier that way :)
[02:43] <james_xxx> lupine: it is only saying there is no such file or directory.... you have to realize i am very inexperienced here lol
[02:43] <waspius> what is the difference between system:/media and :/media?
[02:44] <lupine> ah, in that case you're in the wrong place :)
[02:44] <lupine> type ls
[02:44] <lupine> do you see a directory called 'Module' anywhere? or any directories with the word 'rt2570' in them? Or the directory 'Desktop'?
[02:44] <james_xxx> when i type ls, i get 'rt2570-cvs-2006082319'
[02:45] <lupine> ok, type cd rt2570*/Module
[02:45] <lupine> then run make
[02:45] <james_xxx> just type 'run make'?
[02:45] <lupine> no, just type 'make'
[02:46] <lupine> it takes ~2 minutes, depending on computer speed
[02:46] <james_xxx> lupine: i got major erors
[02:46] <larson9999> i've tried 4 of the fancy gui distros recently.  all claimed to 'just work' out of the box.  but none did according to my definition of just working..  the good news is that they were all very close to just working and the post install setup is getting very minimal these days.  usually the hardest part is find the command that does what you need.  that's an area in which *buntu shines imho: easy to find and easy to read documentati
[02:46] <larson9999> on that is usually pretty good.
[02:47] <lupine> ok, can you pastebin those?
[02:47] <Catull> mmhm... ill try kubunte cause of the kde gui...
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Catull: Ok I'd say one GB for Swap 9 for / and go
[02:47] <larson9999> yep
[02:47] <fyyrest0rm> there a way to put a volume control in my system tray?
[02:48] <james_xxx> lupine: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/774497
[02:48] <Catull> k ill start magic partition then
[02:49] <troxor> why do the konqui dragons on www.kubuntu.org look so depressed?
[02:49] <lupine> hmm. 1 second
[02:49] <james_xxx> k
[02:50] <Ballistik> Is there a media player that will play .wmv files?
[02:50] <ausiv> you have to install the codecs
[02:50] <ausiv> one sec
[02:51] <larson9999> Catull: if it comes time for you to buy partition magic again or you get tired of friends borrowing it, check out another fine linux product, the gparted live cd
[02:51] <Catull> *nero suckz aswell-the backup dvd wont work -.-*
[02:51] <DaSkreech> troxor: Cause we don't have more users :()
[02:51] <Catull> for that i have to have linux first ;)
[02:51] <ausiv> Ballistik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#w32codecs
[02:52] <lupine> ok, it's something screwey with your setup - it compiles fine here with those drivers :(
[02:52] <lupine> if you want, I can send you the module?
[02:52] <larson9999> Catull: if you mean gparted, no you don't. you can download it and burn it like an cd with any thing that will let you dl.
[02:52] <james_xxx> how would you do that?
[02:52] <lupine> I'd stick it on my website and you'd download it :)
[02:52] <Catull> ^^ didnt knew that
[02:52] <james_xxx> lupine: that would be awesome
[02:53] <lupine> since it's compiled against the right kernel headers (just done it now), it should work fine
[02:53] <lupine> 1 second then
[02:53] <DaSkreech> larson9999: there is a gparted distro
[02:53] <larson9999> DaSkreech: yep.  works great imo
[02:53] <james_xxx> the gparted live cd is awesome
[02:53] <larson9999> james_xxx: yep
[02:53] <lupine>  ok: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/rt2570.ko
[02:54] <james_xxx> lupine: before i click on that, is there anything i need to know?
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Point Catull to it :)
[02:54] <lupine> it's just a kernel module
[02:54] <james_xxx> will that module just install itself?
[02:54] <lupine> right-click and "save as", if you can
[02:54] <Catull> Yeeeaah - i love my powerbook - he reads the dvd
[02:54] <lupine> no, we'll need to put it in the right place (As root/sudo), depmod it and modprobe it
[02:54] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i thought Catull had partition magic
[02:55] <lupine> i.e. tell the kernel all about it
[02:55] <Catull> k guys... if there is a better way then MPart tell it to me - im gonna do it
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Oh I heard gparted in passing
[02:55] <fyyrest0rm> Ok...is there a way to browse certain categories in adept, like "games" or something?
[02:55] <james_xxx> lupine: i cannot right click/save as
[02:55] <lupine> might be easier for you to go to http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ then right-click and download from there
[02:55] <james_xxx> ok
[02:55] <fyyrest0rm> or even an online package database to browse through?
[02:56] <lupine> (from tomorrow it should appear in a repository I've set up for these things)
[02:56] <larson9999> Catull: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[02:56] <james_xxx> lupine: i'm impressed
[02:56] <lupine> meaning it'll be a couple of clicks in adept :D
[02:56] <james_xxx> lupine: although i still can't figure out how to save it, brb
[02:56] <lupine> in firefox, just right-click and "save link as"
[02:57] <Catull> larson9999: may i start it from a usb device?
[02:57] <larson9999> Catull: i think so but i don't.  see what the site says
[02:57] <larson9999> Catull: if you do move linux to another drive, you can then use gparted to give those 10 gig back to windows
[02:58] <james_xxx> lupine: done
[02:58] <mae> hi! - is the go 7xxx series unsupported in linux?
[02:58] <lupine> ok, where is it saved? your desktop?
[02:58] <larson9999> Catull: so you were going to buy partition magic for this?  i'm confused
[02:59] <james_xxx> lupine: to a folder in my home dir
[02:59] <lupine> ok. as long as you know where it is :). Now you need to open a terminal and type 'cd /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-686'
[02:59] <waspius> danix: ok..i want to use a floppy and when i try to enter it through system:/media i get the error could not mount device..the reported error was mount:according to mtab,/dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/fdo..mount failed..so i can only view it in /media and i cannot format it
[02:59] <lupine> then type ls, and look for a directory named 'extra'
[02:59] <larson9999> waspius: how is wow coming?
[02:59] <james_xxx> lupine: done
[03:00] <lupine> if it is there, then "cd extra"; if it isn't, then "sudo mkdir extra" then "cd extra"
[03:00] <james_xxx> lupine: there is no dir named extra
[03:00] <waspius> larson9999: i tried to install war3 i managed to but i did not manage to install the nocd crack so i abandoned it
[03:00] <lupine> sudo mkdir extra, then
[03:00] <Catull> im about to download gparted...
[03:01] <james_xxx> lupine: dir made
[03:01] <larson9999> waspius: did sound and everything work?
[03:01] <james_xxx> i cd'd to 'extra'
[03:01] <lupine> once you're in your brand-new directory, you want to move the module there so "sudo mv /home/user/dir/rt2570.ko ." - you need to use the full path to the module
[03:01] <james_xxx> ok brb
[03:01] <lupine> (since you're executing the command as root)
[03:02] <waspius> larson9999: sound when i went to install did work..and so did the imag..but i did not manage to go further in due to the nocd crack
[03:02] <larson9999> waspius: those 2 sites do the trick?
[03:02] <larson9999> waspius: oh, i thought the new version of wine handled changing cds ok.  i guess not
[03:03] <josh__> i'm confused
[03:03] <waspius> larson9999: i have a copy of the war3 not original so i use cracks..so probably because of that they did not work..i need to try with a proper version
[03:03] <james_xxx> lupine: missing destination file?
[03:03] <fyyrest0rm> anyone? can i browse categories in adept?
[03:04] <larson9999> waspius: aha.  that's not nice
[03:04] <josh__> after you install a package that is a game or something, is it possible to make an icon to run the file?
[03:04] <lupine> you typed a period (.) and had the right path?
[03:04] <waspius> larson9999: :( i know
[03:04] <josh__> instead of typing it into konsole all the time
[03:04] <Ballistik> What codecs do i need to watch wmv's with totem or vlc?
[03:04] <waspius> larson9999: ok..i want to use a floppy and when i try to enter it through system:/media i get the error could not mount device..the reported error was mount:according to mtab,/dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/fdo..mount failed..so i can only view it in /media and i cannot format it
[03:05] <james_xxx> lupine: i think i typed the fulle path
[03:05] <james_xxx> lupine: sudo mv /home/james/wusb54gv4module/rt2570.ko
[03:05] <lupine> then you need a space, then a dot (.)
[03:06] <lupine> to tell it to copy it to the directory . (which is a symlink to the current directory)
[03:06] <james_xxx> ahh
[03:06] <lupine> it's hard to miss :D
[03:06] <james_xxx>  lol
[03:06] <james_xxx> lupine: ok done
[03:06] <lupine> ok, now type 'sudo depmod -a'
[03:06] <larson9999> waspius: hmmm, don't really know how this mouting thing in ubuntu works.  i'm used to needing an fstab but apparently it doesn't work that way.  somehow you can tell it to let an regular user mount it and edit it.  actually i haven't install my fd yet.  i was planning on doing that tonight.
[03:07] <lupine> then we get the fun of removing ndiswrapper completely, and inserting your new module
[03:07] <james_xxx> sweet
[03:07] <james_xxx> ready
[03:07] <waspius> larson9999: ok np..
[03:08] <lupine> to get rid of ndiswrapper, you first have to bring down your wireless interface - so run 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 down' (I think it's be wlan0, check by running 'ifconfig' and looking for it)
[03:08] <Catull> larson9999: i burned the gparted iso on a cd... now i should boot from the cd?
[03:08] <waspius> larson9999: i will try and change its permissions..that might help
[03:08] <james_xxx> lupine: will that disconnect my internet connection?
[03:08] <lupine> yes
[03:08] <james_xxx> lupine: hmm...
[03:09] <lupine> i'll give you all the commands now :)
[03:09] <lupine> if it all goes pear-shaped, delete the rt2570.ko file and reboot, and it'll come back.
[03:09] <james_xxx> lupine: i have a computer right next to this one i could switch to, as well
[03:09] <james_xxx> ok
[03:09] <lupine> ok. after bringing the interface down, and once the lights have gone out on your stick, you need to remove the module - so run 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper'
[03:10] <lupine> then insert the new one - "sudo modprobe rt2570"
[03:10] <lupine> then configure the new interface as required. Do you get an IP address etc. automatically
[03:10] <lupine> ?
[03:10] <james_xxx> lupine: yes
[03:10] <lupine> ok, setting it up is as simple as "sudo dhclient rausb0", then
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Catull: I'd say yes :)
[03:11] <lupine> assuming it goes well :)
[03:11] <james_xxx> lupine: rmmod will not remove ndiswrapper permanently, though, will it?
[03:11] <waspius> larson9999: ok found it for now...i used the umount command
[03:11] <lupine> no, just unloads it from the kernel
[03:11] <james_xxx> lupine: so ndiswrapper can just remain installed, then?
[03:11] <lupine> if all this works, we can either uninstall ndiswrapper, or blaclist the module so it won't be loaded by default when you reboot
[03:11] <Catull> DaSkreech: im going to try this now... MPart is very complicated...
[03:11] <james_xxx> ok
[03:11] <lupine> yes
[03:12] <Catull> DaSkreech: 1gig for swap rest 11,2 for / - right?
[03:12] <james_xxx> lupine: here goes, if it does not work, i will look for you from another PC
[03:12] <lupine> moment of truth :)
[03:12] <lupine> I'll be here
[03:12] <james_xxx> lol
[03:12] <DaSkreech> Catull: What ever space you want to put for / Yes :)
[03:12] <DaSkreech> and  should be able to IRc in here anyway :)
[03:12] <albion> hello world
[03:13] <Catull> hopefully back in a couple of minutes^^
[03:13] <lupine> hello albion
[03:13] <DaSkreech> albion: You forgot the ;
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Catull: :-)
[03:13] <albion> lol
[03:13] <Catull> mmhm... i colud start my powerbooks irc ;)
[03:14] <lupine> program Hello; Uses SysUtils; begin Writeln('Hello World'); end.
[03:14] <albion> i'm a new Ubuntu user... and i love it
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Catull: We should be here :)
[03:14] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:15] <Catull|wech> -.-
[03:15] <ubuntu_> anyone know if linux have scandisk program like spinrate?
[03:15] <Catull-Mac> works
[03:15] <lupine> fsck?
[03:16] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: *bows*
[03:16] <mcrandello> ubuntu_: yes every 26 times you boot up it will annoy the hell out of you by checking it :)
[03:17] <Catull-Mac> *excited* ;)
[03:17] <mcrandello> ubuntu_: man e2fsck
[03:17] <lupine> (j/k ;) )
[03:17] <albion> i was wondering if someone could help me with my logitech QuickCam Messenger
[03:17] <Catull-Mac> lol
[03:17] <lupine> would be a very Naruto moment
[03:17] <ubuntu_>  e2fsck scan formatted HD only right?
[03:18] <mcrandello> more or less
[03:18] <lupine> what are you trying to fix, exactly?
[03:18] <mcrandello> ubuntu_: testdisk for trying file recovery from unformmated or pooched partitions
[03:18] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[03:18] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:18] <DaSkreech> albion: There you go
[03:19] <albion> thank you
[03:19] <Catull-Mac> doesnt boot from the cd... ( i did the bios setup -.-)
[03:19] <james_xxx> lupine: you there?
[03:19] <lupine> yes
[03:19] <lupine> oop, he's gone
[03:20] <Catull-Mac> ^^
[03:20] <alex_> hello
[03:20] <DaSkreech> alex_ Hi
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Whats up?
[03:21] <alex_> any laptop users here?
[03:21] <alex_> I just installed Kubuntu with some help here
[03:21] <alex_> everything works perfectly so far
[03:21] <alex_> except for the touchpad
[03:21] <Catull-Mac> nero suckz... i?m about to try another cd for gparted -.-
[03:22] <alex_> any drivers or anything out there?
[03:22] <james_xxx> lupine: how would i check to see by what means my wireless adapter is working? lol
[03:22] <Catull-Mac> one day i will install linux on this powerbook :)
[03:22] <H5N1-birdflu> mcrandello: testdisk ... where do i find it ?
[03:23] <james_xxx> lupine: i am connected, but i am not sure if i'm using the new module, or ndiswrapper....
[03:23] <alex_> whoa
[03:23] <Ballistik> What is a good video file converter?
[03:23] <alex_> what happened?
[03:23] <Catull-Mac> wth?
[03:23] <albion> alex, i'm a laptop user
[03:23] <james_xxx> hmmm
[03:23] <alex_> what the?
[03:23] <Catull-Mac> ^^
[03:23] <imbrandon> heh
[03:23] <james_xxx> what was that about?
[03:23] <alex_> what's going on, is that just me?
[03:23] <albion> me too
[03:23] <Ballistik> Same
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Net split
[03:24] <imbrandon> net split. noting to see here move along ;)
[03:24] <james_xxx> lupine: are you there?
[03:24] <lupine> yes!
[03:24] <Ballistik> What is a good video file converter?
[03:24] <lupine> imbrandon: yes as well :)
[03:24] <alex_> lol
[03:24] <Catull-Mac> james_: gparted didnt work in the first place :(
[03:24] <james_xxx> good, i was worried
[03:24] <imbrandon> lupine: ok PM
[03:24] <lupine> bloody netsplits
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Ballistik: avidemux ?
[03:24] <lupine> erm, not registered :(
[03:24] <lupine> #ubuntu-lupine ?
[03:24] <alex_> how do I adjust my touchpad settings?
[03:25] <james_xxx> you mean me?
[03:25] <Hawkwind> lupine: Just register your nick
[03:25] <Hawkwind> !register > lupine
[03:25] <lupine> james: no
[03:25] <james_xxx> ok
[03:25] <james_xxx> !register > me
[03:25] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You still need a tester for whatever it was ?
[03:25] <lupine> is ti working?
[03:25] <james_xxx> !register > james_xxx
[03:25] <alex_> anyone?
[03:25] <lupine> (I can receive PM but not send)
[03:26] <alex_> how do I adjust the touchpad settings?
[03:26] <Hawkwind> lupine: Read what the bot told you in PM and follow the instructions
[03:26] <imbrandon> lupine , Hawkwind join #imbrandon
[03:26] <mcrandello> alex_: in the system settings look for the touchpad
[03:26] <lupine> so james - do you have it working?
[03:27] <H5N1-birdflu>  testdisk ... where do i find it ?
[03:27] <alex_> k
[03:27] <pierreth> is it possible to read news with kontact?
[03:27] <alex_> it's not there
[03:27] <lupine> (james_xxx that is)
[03:27] <alex_> mouse is
[03:27] <alex_> but touchpad is not
[03:27] <james_xxx> lupine: well, i think i do.... hwo do i know how i am connected? i think i am using your module, but i may be back in ndiswrapper
[03:27] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: doesnt work from cd :(
[03:27] <lupine> type lsmod
[03:27] <lupine> see what it says
[03:27] <mcrandello> H5N1-birdflu: try apt-cache search testdisk it may be in universe or multiverse
[03:28] <mcrandello> or google it's the first hit for testdisk
[03:28] <lupine> if it says ndiswrapper module is loaded, then that's what you're using. if it says rt2570, then it's worked
[03:28] <mcrandello> you'll want to read through the docs on it anyway to make sure it's going to do what you want
[03:28] <james_xxx> lupine: i think both are showing?
[03:28] <mcrandello> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[03:29] <lupine> ok, what happens when you run ifconfig rausb0 ?
[03:29] <lupine> does it give you interface details?
[03:29] <mcrandello> it's mainly a data recovery type tool more so than a scanner
[03:29] <H5N1-birdflu> thnx^^
[03:29] <james_xxx> rausb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[03:30] <lupine> :/
[03:30] <lupine> still using ndiswrapper
[03:30] <lupine> okay, you'll have to blacklist the module then restart the computer
[03:31] <alex_> mcrandello
[03:31] <alex_> I don't see it there
[03:31] <alex_> just mouse
[03:31] <alex_> but not touchpad
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Hmm can you check the md5 sum on the CD?
[03:32] <mcrandello> alex_ last item on the 2nd row?
[03:32] <alex_> nope
[03:32] <alex_> not there
[03:32] <mcrandello> alex_:  try sudo apt-get install ksynaptics
[03:32] <alex_> and how do I send msges to specific people (the way you just did)
[03:33] <alex_> it seems to be installe
[03:33] <alex_> installed*
[03:33] <mcrandello> alex_ in konversation you can open a window to that person by double clicking their name
[03:33] <Catull-Mac> dask: eeehrm.. how?
[03:33] <alex_> I meant how do you make something red like that?
[03:33] <alex_> is that just formatting or a specific command
[03:33] <Catull-Mac> i forgot this is not mirc^^
[03:33] <alex_> in the guide I only see the /msg command
[03:34] <mcrandello> alex_  just put that person's name on a line and if their client is cool it will highlight it for them
[03:34] <mcrandello> no highlight
[03:34] <mcrandello> alex_ highlight
[03:34] <alex_> copy & paste their nick?
[03:34] <alex_> or is there a simpler way?
[03:34] <lupine>  james_xxx: to blacklist, edit the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (as root) and add the line "blacklist ndiswrapper" to the end
[03:34] <james_xxx> lupine: i obviously did something wrong, but i don't know what lol
[03:34] <mcrandello> or start typing it and hit tab
[03:34] <james_xxx> ok
[03:35] <alex_> mcrandello: like that?
[03:35] <mcrandello> yep
[03:35] <mcrandello> in konversation if you have multiple tabs open and someone does that on a background tab the tab text turns red
[03:35] <lupine> then reboot and run "sudo modprobe rt2570" then "sudo dhclient rausb0"
[03:35] <mcrandello> you can also have it beep or something too if you're afg
[03:35] <alex_> mcrandello: this is the error I got: E: Couldn't find package ksynaptics
[03:35] <lupine> if it doesn't work, delete the line in /etc/modprobe.d and reboot again
[03:35] <mcrandello> *afk
[03:36] <alex_> ok
[03:36] <james_xxx> lupine: one thing i forgot to mention.... i have rt2570 blacklisted.... could that be our problem?
[03:36] <mcrandello> alex_ you have to enable the universe repositories
[03:36] <mcrandello> !universe
[03:36] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:36] <lupine> yes, un-blacklist that :)
[03:36] <lupine> and blacklist ndiswrapper
[03:36] <alex_> look like I have a lot to learn in Kubuntu
[03:37] <Ballistik> How can i change how my logon screen looks?
[03:37] <alex_> mcrandello: how would I do what you just told me to do? :D
[03:38] <Catull-Mac> i?m not able to boot from the gparted-cd :(
[03:38] <mcrandello> alex_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:38] <Catull-Mac> gonna try to understand magic partition...
[03:39] <jamadagni> hey people,
[03:39] <alex_> mcrandello: ok... thanks
[03:39] <jamadagni> i just installed the 686 smp kernel
[03:39] <alex_> mcrandello: I'll try it now
[03:39] <jamadagni> but i don't find a find with smp in /boot
[03:40] <jamadagni> any ideas?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Sorry left my comp
[03:41] <Catull-Mac> getiing crazy - i have free 12,2 gig - MPart only allows me 7,2 ? -.-
[03:42] <Catull-Mac> doesnt matter - i?m lucky anybody is willing to help me ;)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Where did you get the 12.2 ?
[03:42] <Catull-Mac> mmhm... should i go on with 7,2?
[03:43] <Catull-Mac> wenn i look up in xp it shows me 12,2 free space MPart does so aswell.. actually...
[03:43] <pierreth> who is using knotes?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> ok so where are you getting the 7.2?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> pierreth: Was
[03:44] <Catull-Mac> max.size for the new partition in MPArt
[03:44] <pierreth> DaSkreech: was, you no longer use it?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> No
[03:44] <DaSkreech> BasKet
[03:44] <pierreth> DaSkreech: is it possible to had a view
[03:44] <pierreth> DaSkreech: http://www.kontact.org/pics/shots/notes.png
[03:44] <alex_> mcrandello: I did that, and it still doesn't show up in the system settings
[03:44] <DaSkreech> had a?
[03:45] <lupine>  james_xxx: you ok?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Ok 7.2 is a bit tight but still playable
[03:45] <mcrandello> alex_ any time you add or change repositories you have to update it
[03:45] <pierreth> DaSkreech: i have no list of the notes i am creating
[03:45] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: are you using gparted 2.5?  some people have that problem.  maybe try 2.4 is the version i'm on.
[03:45] <mcrandello> so try hitting the "fetch updates" button in adept or from a console do "sudo apt-get update"
[03:45] <mcrandello> then look for it, should be there :)
[03:46] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: the gparted-cd did not boot -.-
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Ah. Umm I don't use Kontact
[03:46] <alex_> mcrandello: ok, prepare to laugh, I forgot to close the system settings, I just restored the old window
[03:46] <DaSkreech>  I just put Knotes in the systray
[03:46] <DaSkreech> larson9999: The Cd doesn't boot?
[03:46] <mcrandello> ah you have the touchpad settings now?
[03:46] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: yeah i was asking if you got version 2.5 because some people i know have trouble booting that version.  i'm using 2.4 myself
[03:46] <jamadagni> @Catull-Mac - what is MPart?
[03:46] <pierreth> DaSkreech: do you have the title list like in the image that i pointed you?
[03:47] <alex_> mcrandello: yes
[03:47] <DaSkreech> pierreth: I don't know I don't use Kontact
[03:47] <mcrandello> awesome
[03:47] <larson9999> DaSkreech: it should but i know some are having issues with the version 2.5 of gparted.  i'm still using 2.4
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Let me open it to please You :)
[03:47] <alex_> mcrandello: going to figure out how to adjust everything the way I had it in windows
[03:47] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: i downloaded gparted and burned the iso - did the bios setup and it didnt start
[03:47] <jamadagni> Can anyone answer my q about 686 kernel?
[03:47] <mcrandello> I still can't figure out what I did to hose my touchpad
[03:47] <alex_> lol!
[03:47] <pierreth> DaSkreech: basket is your note manager?
[03:47] <mcrandello> I use a trackball mainly though so it's no biggie 8)
[03:47] <Catull-Mac> jamadagni: MagicPartition on XP
[03:48] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: so you probably have 2.5  i'm curious now.  i'm going to dl it and see if it boots for me
[03:48] <DaSkreech> pierreth: Yeah but doesn't integrate into Knotact
[03:48] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: i?ll try 2.4 then
[03:48] <james___> lupine: i think i am up and running with your module
[03:48] <james___> :-
[03:48] <lupine> excellent :)
[03:48] <james___> :-D
[03:48] <alex_> I could never tolerate a trackball
[03:48] <lupine> so lsmod shows rt2570 running, and ndiswrapper is not present?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> pierreth: I have a list. Doesnt look like that
[03:48] <james___> lupine: lemme do some checking here
[03:49] <jamadagni> Can anyone answer my q about 686 kernel?
[03:49] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: so far i haven't met anyone who's had any issues with that version.  i think i'll write them and see what's up
[03:49] <lupine> ok
[03:49] <jamadagni> Catull-Mac: is that available for gratis?
[03:49] <Catull-Mac> nope.. not really
[03:49] <Catull-Mac> a demo is available though
[03:49] <pierreth> DaSkreech: i have no list but i would like to have one
[03:49] <james___> lupine: ok all looks good, thank you so much for the help!!! i hopr this takes care of my system hangs
[03:50] <alex_> mcrandello: it looks like linux doesn't give the option of press n hold with the touchpad alone
[03:50] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: i?ll try 2.4-3 ?
[03:50] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: there is a bug about 2.5 hanging.  i'm guessing that's what you have
[03:50] <james___> lupine is now my hero
[03:50] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: yeah
[03:50] <james___> lol
[03:50] <lupine> james: do you want to get it to configure auto on boot?
[03:50] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: k :)
[03:50] <lupine> cool :)
[03:51] <lupine> just don't uplug it if you can help it
[03:51] <mcrandello> alex_ if you have double click instead of single click I think you can approximate that by clicking once then again and holding your finger on the pad
[03:51] <james___> lupine: i do, although i would have thought that it would the way it is
[03:51] <DaSkreech> pierreth: How does yours look?
[03:51] <lupine> not quite
[03:51] <lupine> edit /etc/network/interfaces as root
[03:51] <mcrandello> alex_ with single click to open though I think it all gets pear shaped
[03:51] <james___> lupine: i do not need to unplug it....
[03:51] <james___> ok
[03:51] <lupine> good :). the driver doesn't like that!
[03:52] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: If you have problems booting, it could be the video card detection. Try "manual video card" from the boot menu before reporting bugs. We are working on this issue.
[03:52] <pierreth> DaSkreech: I just have icons where the date of creation is written under and that's all
[03:52] <lupine> you need to add two lines:
[03:52] <lupine> auto rausb0
[03:52] <Catull> as long as im downloading--- mirc just is better :)
[03:52] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: maybe try that with 2.5 and see if that helps
[03:52] <alex_> mcrandello: but how would that work for dragging?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> pierreth: What happens when you click it?
[03:52] <lupine> iface rausb0 inet dhcp
[03:52] <lupine> and you're set!
[03:52] <larson9999> Catull: save the download if it works.
[03:52] <mcrandello> alex_: click click&hold while dragging
[03:52] <mcrandello> IOW not very well
[03:52] <alex_> mcrandello: but I would have to click the touchpad button
[03:53] <Catull> larson9999: i guess i just try the 2.4 :)
[03:53] <larson9999> Catull: ok
[03:53] <pierreth> DaSkreech: when i click on an icon note, the note get selected
[03:53] <lupine>  james: couple of notes: firstly, the the wireless driver will need recompiling whenever you update your kernel :(
[03:53] <james___> lupine: i do thank you so much for the help, this has really been educational
[03:53] <alex_> mcrandello: in windows you can slowly touch and hold the touchpad, and then move the finger... once you lift the finger you depressed the button
[03:53] <larson9999> Catull: what are you using instead of mirc in linux?
[03:53] <Catull> aqua-chat
[03:54] <DaSkreech> pierreth: Hmm I guess that's how mine is
[03:54] <mcrandello> alex_ yeah this is why I use the trackball ;)
[03:54] <james___> lupine: do you think this module may be included in 2.6.17?
[03:54] <lupine> I'll give you the deb-line of the repository I've set up... that way your broken gcc won't be a problem
[03:54] <orient2000> Hi! Can I install kubuntu on 1GB USB stick so I can have it potrtable?
[03:54] <alex_> mcrandello: AWWW, that is a major downside
[03:54] <lupine> I've already got one built for it (that's what I use :) )
[03:54] <james___> awesome
[03:54] <Catull> is not to bad... but doesnt work with some details
[03:54] <pierreth> DaSkreech: this is a bit primitive
[03:54] <alex_> mcrandello: oh well, looks like I will have to take my mouse with me to class :D
[03:54] <lupine> deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ dapper main
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Yeah. Not sure
[03:54] <lupine> It updates every day from the developer's website
[03:55] <DaSkreech>  I never run kontact
[03:55] <james___> lupine: i'll add that to my repo list right now
[03:55] <lupine> you'd want the package ralink-drivers-2.6.15-26-686
[03:55] <mcrandello> alex_ there are certain cool things you can do with the pad in linux, like hitting it with 2 fingers is right clicking and 3 is middle clicking iirc, some other strange stuff
[03:55] <lupine> Also the package ralink-config for a GUI wireless network tool (GTK unfortunately :( )
[03:55] <james___> lupine: should i add that to my repositories?
[03:55] <lupine> yes
[03:56] <alex_> mcrandello: yeah, new ground for me
[03:56] <lupine> while you were gone, I put the ralink-drivers package that you needed on there
[03:56] <mcrandello> if you have a motion sensor thing for parking your hard disk there's a driver out for that which lets you start programs by smacking your case
[03:56] <lupine> so you can install it if you want (if you do, you'll get an update at around 6am ;) )
[03:57] <alex_> LOL!
[03:57] <Catull> larson9999: ill try it now... :)
[03:57] <alex_> I believe IBM has one
[03:57] <lupine> ee gad, 6am is 3 hours away!
[03:58] <larson9999> lupine: not that big a deal for me... i'm unemployed.  someone should hire me.  got any jobs lying around?
[03:58] <Catull-Mac> mmhm...
[03:58] <james___> lupine: if i install those packages, will that take care of the recompiling with new kernels issue?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Sup?
[03:58] <Catull-Mac> doesnt work with 2.4 aswell
[03:58] <larson9999> i had a hd i had to smack to get working every once in a while but i wouldn't recommend using it for production
[03:59] <lupine> just about. basically, when a kernel update shows up you'll need to *not* upgrade until the appropriate ralink-driver- package also shows up
[03:59] <Catull-Mac> is there anything to watch out, while burning the cd? -.-
[03:59] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: try the manual video card selection
[03:59] <alex_> let's leave smacking for the future, let's say when machines can actually fight back
[03:59] <james___> lupine: ok, gotcha
[03:59] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: with 2.5
[03:59] <james___> lupine: very much apprecited, once more
[03:59] <james___> appreciated*
[03:59] <lupine> I have to add support for new kernels automatically, so it might be as much as 24 hours behind, but shouldn't be a problem
[03:59] <lupine> np
[04:00] <lupine> so is the ralink-drivers-2.6.15-26-686 package showing up in adept?
[04:00] <james___> lupine: i am checking now
[04:00] <lupine> ok. ralink-config is pretty cool, by the way
[04:01] <mcrandello> a good trick for drivers not in the kernel source is to leave their source code somewhere on the disk like a subdir in /root or /opt and that way they're all in one place, just cd into them and make:make install after each new kernel
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Can you md5 the iso?
[04:01] <lupine> lets you have profiles for different networks, etc.
[04:01] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: try selecting the video card and selecting vesa
[04:01] <lupine> (not that i use it much on my desktop PC, mind ;) )
[04:01] <james___> lupine: yep, packages are showing in adept
[04:01] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: i dont know how to^^  :(
[04:01] <Catull-Mac> larson9999: k
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: What are you on?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> The mac or the PC?
[04:02] <Catull-Mac> xp
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Ok google for md5sum.exe
[04:02] <Catull-Mac> xp the cd
[04:02] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: i have an old machine here that won't boot the same gparted cd my new one does.  maybe same issue.  i'll see if that works for me
[04:02] <james___> lupine: ralink-drivers-2.6.15-26-686 is not showing, but 386 is
[04:03] <lupine_85> hrm. It'll be fixed by the morning :)
[04:04] <james___> lupine_85: i need to go to bed, but this has been great
[04:05] <james___> take care and god bless
[04:05] <lupine_85> ok, nighty :)
[04:08] <matt___> Hi
[04:10] <Catull> DaSkreech: got md5sum.exe
[04:10] <matt___> does anyone know if there is still a problem with installing xserver-xorg-core?
[04:10] <mcrandello> it should be good now
[04:10] <Catull> DaSkreech: moved it in the windows directory
[04:10] <Catull> the iso aswell?
[04:10] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:11] <DaSkreech> No
[04:11] <DaSkreech> on the command line go md5sum then the path to the ISO
[04:11] <DaSkreech> You will get a long "number"
[04:11] <mcrandello> matt___: make sure you're getting ubuntu10.4
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Where you downloaded the CD it will also give you a MD5sum "number" if they match you are good to go :)
[04:12] <matt___> mcrandello - thanks it looks like it will install 10.4
[04:12] <mcrandello> 10.3 was the bad one as I understand it
[04:14] <larson9999> Catull: sorry.  false alarm  my old machine does boot it.  i was putting in the wrong cd :)
[04:14] <Catull> -.-
[04:14] <nick_> I need a higher level of backup than keep, any recommendations? Requirements: rysync like, able to choose the time of the backup
[04:15] <Catull> im not in the position to put in tehe right pasth in the command line... i guess im 2 n00b -.-
[04:15] <Catull> or it is 2 late -.-
[04:15] <lupine_85> rsync+ cronjob?
[04:16] <nick_> lupine_85: thats what i was thinking
[04:16] <nick_> but keep is pretty easy to use
[04:16] <nick_> just can't set the time
[04:16] <lupine_85> run keep via. a cronjob? ;)
[04:17] <lupine_85> or is it annoyingly GUI with no command-line control?
[04:17] <nick_> the problem is i just booted my computer and its running a back up so i can't really do anything
[04:17] <pierreth> basket looks cool!
[04:18] <nick_> yea i guess the only problem I have with keep is that you can't set the time
[04:19] <Catull> mmmhm... ok... i am not able to get md5sum running -.-
[04:19] <Catull> larson9999: when you burned the cd, did you made anything special?
[04:20] <josh__> i'm trying to run A FEAR SERVER someone help me
[04:20] <Catull> i burn the cd for example in track-atz-once - mode...
[04:20] <Catull> maybe disk-at-once better?
[04:22] <nick_> oh and mp3's now don't play in amarok
[04:22] <nick_> all i did is reboot my computer
[04:23] <nick_> I didn't run any updates or install anything
[04:23] <nick_> wait maybe it was cause keep was taking up all my cpu
[04:25] <Catull> ^^ md5sum done on the iso... now lets check the sites md5sum -.-
[04:26] <danish> is there a graphical program for handling rpm deb tar packages
[04:26] <Catull> DaSkreech: how tdo i get the md5sum from the website?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Catull: Give me the URL for the download page
[04:27] <supernix> I just tried to do a install of Ubuntu but I got an error about breaking something
[04:28] <mcrandello> dani_beginner: like kpackage?
[04:28] <supernix> well warning that is
[04:28] <nalpha> guys there is flash creator like macromedia flash in ubuntu?
[04:28] <dani_beginner> mcrandello: yes like adept is a graphical program
[04:29] <mcrandello> I think kpackage can handle all those you listed
[04:29] <dani_beginner> mcrandello: thankyou
[04:30] <dani_beginner> mcrandello: how do i direct a question toward a single person in IRC like u did do i simply put colon after the name
[04:30] <mcrandello> apt, kiss, rpm, bsd, tgz, and whatever gentoo uses
[04:30] <mcrandello> just mention their name in the reply dani_beginner
[04:30] <dani_beginner> oh cool mcrandello thankx for your help
[04:31] <mcrandello> np
[04:31] <larson9999> Catull: i didn't do anything special.  have you burned cds from iso before?  if you look at the cd in windows or mac do you see files on it and not the *.iso file?
[04:31] <Catull> i see the files right
[04:32] <supernix> hmmm does anyone know why adept has the word break beside the ubuntu-desktop when I try and install it
[04:32] <dani_beginner> anybody know how i can make firefox open a new tab automatically when i type a link in the address bar
[04:32] <Catull> and yes i burned isos  :(
[04:32] <larson9999> Catull: hmm, what is the machin?
[04:32] <larson9999> Catull: well, gparted rocks!  when it works
[04:32] <Catull> i guess if the md5sum is ok.. i try the manual grahic choice thing ..
[04:33] <Catull> larson9999: i believe you... :)
[04:33] <larson9999> Catull: lol.  does it not boot at all or do you get to some point and it stops?
[04:33] <Catull> larson9999: what was the hint with the graphic again? its 4:30 in the morning over here ;)
[04:34] <dani_beginner> has anybody written extension for firefox here
[04:34] <Catull> it trys to boot... but goes on to boot from hdd...
[04:35] <Catull> im using nero software... maybe thats the problem -.-
[04:35] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/    <-- for those of you that would like the new amarok
[04:35] <larson9999> Catull: oh, that doesn't sound like the same issue.  the video issue would be after gparted starts.
[04:35] <imbrandon> ( version 1.4.2 )
[04:35] <imbrandon> i'm off to be , gnight all
[04:36] <Catull> good night
[04:36] <larson9999> Catull: i don't know if the issue is nero or not but k3b! rocks, too :)
[04:36] <Catull> -.-  guess why im trying to change the OS ;)
[04:36] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[04:37] <larson9999> Catull: what speed did you burn at?
[04:38] <Catull> 40x
[04:38] <Catull> i am able to see the files anyway...
[04:38] <Catull> iso 9660
[04:38] <Catull> cd-rom-mode
[04:39] <larson9999> sometimes a lower speed helps.  i don't know.
[04:40] <larson9999> the checksum was right?
[04:40] <Catull> when i open the cd i see a gparted file and a isolinux-directory with 7 files in it... do you see the same?
[04:40] <dani_beginner> mcrandello how can i remove the desktops tab from taskbar
[04:40] <Catull> dont know... waiting for daskreech to check the sum on the webpage
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Catull: Whoops you gave me the URL?
[04:41] <ubuntu> Hi, how would I access my hda3? I am booted in the CD Boot not the original OS. I need to go into vesa driver mode.
[04:41] <Catull> in the query ;)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[04:42] <ubuntu> mount hda3?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Not sure check media:/
[04:42] <dani_beginner> anybody know how to remove the 'desktops' panel
[04:43] <ubuntu> DaSkreech nothing there, I am booted from CD.
[04:44] <matt___> dani_beginner , right click just to the left of the 'deskop' panel and select remove desktop preview and pager
[04:44] <Catull> ill try a last time to boot from the gparted cd -.-
[04:45] <dani_beginner> matt: thx my panel bar was locked so i couldn't see the menu thx now i figured it out
[04:45] <DaSkreech> larson9999: I don't see a MD5 sum :-(
[04:45] <springman> what is the best way to add the wlassistant into the startup so it tries to auto connect to last known network?
[04:45] <larson9999> DaSkreech: maybe they don't have one :)
[04:45] <DaSkreech> =-o
[04:45] <Catull-Mac> nope... its sourceforge
[04:45] <DaSkreech> How... dare ... they...
[04:45] <Catull-Mac> :D
[04:46] <Catull-Mac> i try that usb-device thing now
[04:46] <matt___> dani_beginner - glad you fixed it!
[04:46] <Catull-Mac> going to crash my mp3-player :>
[04:47] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: in 2.4 there are 17 items in the base directory. 12 if you discount the links
[04:49] <intelikey> so, what do linux users do ?
[04:49] <Catull-Mac> mmmhm... maybe i should burn the cd on the mac? xp suckz -.- did i mention this before?
[04:49] <intelikey> oh yeah they install software...
[04:49] <Catull-Mac> ^^
[04:50] <Catull-Mac> the 2.4 looks far better then the 2.5 ... 17 items...
[04:51] <Catull-Mac> another try with 2.4
[04:51] <DaSkreech> pl
[04:52] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:52] <dani_beginner> matt__: what is the best editor for html and c i am learning those languages and i want to use gcc and firefox but i need an editor who has syntax high lighting ability
[04:52] <lupine_85> kate? :)
[04:52] <dani_beginner> lupine_85: thx
[04:52] <DaSkreech> dani_beginner: Close your eyes and throw a stone
[04:53] <Catull-Mac> lol
[04:53] <lupine_85> quite handy and has really good capabilityies when it comes to blocks of code ({ })
[04:53] <DaSkreech> If it's in linux it probably has everything you mentioned
[04:53] <dani_beginner> i know but i just wanted another opnion my friend mentioned VIM
[04:54] <intelikey> dani_beginner xemacs vim-improved  kate           hehhe "ed"
[04:54] <intelikey> if you bite on the 'ed' joke i'll know you're green....  :)
[04:54] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: apparently there is a known problem burning the cd with dvd burner.
[04:55] <larson9999> oh boy another 'best editor' fight
[04:55] <DaSkreech> ed rocks!!
[04:55] <larson9999> The Hybrid Editor XE is the best
[04:55] <matt___> dani_beginner - I use Kate for editing php and html as it is good at highlighting code in differnet colours, but i dont know about C
[04:55] <matt___> maybe kdevelop?
[04:55] <intelikey> DaSkreech yeah the syntax highlighting Xpecally
[04:56] <Catull-Mac> larson9999 aou are kidding -.-
[04:56] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: kidding about what?
[04:56] <Catull-Mac> i have a dvd burner on the xp -.-
[04:56] <intelikey> kdevelop is an ide
[04:56] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Yeah and you know you can code so much better cross eyed
[04:57] <intelikey> lol
[04:57] <verbose> where can i get a mirrors list for repositories for apt? i've google'd and can find mirrors to download kubuntu, but not apt repositories
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Yes but you are burning a CD right?
[04:57] <Catull-Mac> yeaaah
[04:57] <dani_beginner> matt__: i want to stay away from ide's  i will just use kate. when i reach intermedia lvl i will switch to vim and emacs just for learning experience thx
[04:57] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: from the moderator of the gparted forum: There are some issues with dvd writers with the current version. You should check the bugs page to see if your issue exsists first. Try this test version I posted lastnight. The problem is most likely a dvd writer issue. It's the same stuff the other 10,000 people told me about. ;-)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> And you are using the CD section of Nero?
[04:57] <intelikey> DaSkreech i just use cat and echo to do my coding....
[04:57] <intelikey> :)
[04:58] <Ballistik> Does anyone know a fix for the KDE 3.5.3 screensaver problem?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Gnome?
[04:58] <Catull-Mac> im gonna burn the cd on the mac... lets see if it works -.-
[04:59] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: why not try the live usb of gparted?
[04:59] <intelikey> i want one of those little 3.5" dvd burners
[05:00] <Catull-Mac> larson9999 thtas the next step... crashing my mp3-player ;)
[05:00] <Catull-Mac> lets see what mac os x does with the iso :)
[05:00] <supernix> hmmm does anyone know why adept has the word break beside the ubuntu-desktop when I try and install it
[05:01] <DaSkreech> intelikey: how do you delete a line two lines up
[05:01] <verbose> supernix: do you have universe and multiverse repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:01] <supernix> Yes as I recall I think it is
[05:01] <intelikey> DaSkreech it can be done,  but that was "obviously" a joke.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> intelikey: And as An obvious extension to the joke how do you delete a line two lines up :)
[05:02] <H5N1-birdflu> HI~ I wonder if there is winrar like software in linux , anyone know?
[05:03] <verbose> H5N1-birdflu: www.rarsoft.com i believe has some (winrar site)
[05:03] <verbose> H5N1-birdflu: do you want to create or extract rars?
[05:03] <Jucato> H5N1-birdflu: Ark can do .rar stuff, you just need to install the proper utilities
[05:03] <supernix> this is actually one of the lines main restricted universe multiverse  or part of it
[05:03] <Jucato> H5N1-birdflu: you need to install "rar" and "unrar" so that Ark can create/extrat .rar files
[05:04] <poseidon> ...........perhaps we should have 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' races....
[05:04] <larson9999> i think i got a warning that the penalty for using rar or unrar without paying for it was death
[05:04] <Hawkwind> larson9999:  ??
[05:04] <Jucato> larson9999: really now?
[05:04] <Jucato> ^_^
[05:04] <Hawkwind> larson9999: rar/unrar is absolutely free
[05:04] <H5N1-birdflu> OH really let me check on ark
[05:05] <Jucato> Hawkwind: err... depends on which package was installed
[05:05] <Jucato> In Dapper, unrar is the non-free version, while unrar-free is the free version
[05:05] <Hawkwind> Jucato: How so ?  I've never gotten such a warning with rar/unrar in linux, since there is a linux version specifically made
[05:05] <Jucato> In Breezy, iirc, unrar was the free version, unrar-nonfree was the non-free version
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ahhh, guess it depends on which source you get it from.  If you get it from PLF then it's all free
[05:06] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I don't know about larson9999's statement. I'm just saying that there are two versions or rar/unrar
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I never really knew that.  I've always run distros where it's free of charge
[05:06] <Jucato> AFAIK, the free rar/unrar can only process RAR files up to  a certain RAR version.
[05:07] <dr_willis> theres Free and then theres 'free' :)
[05:07] <Jucato> Hawkwind: free/nonfree here is used not in the monetary sense
[05:07] <Catull-Mac> *now we will see, what happens*
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Heh yes, I realize that
[05:07] <larson9999> Hawkwind: yeah, the other day i was browsing and came across a site talking about how you had to pay for it.
[05:07] <Jucato> larson9999: maybe it's for the WinRAR software?
[05:07] <supernix> I have the following in my repository listing (main restricted universe multiverse )
[05:07] <dr_willis> wine winrar.exe
[05:07] <dr_willis> :)
[05:07] <larson9999> Hawkwind: Jucato maybe
[05:07] <dr_willis> then after 30 days when it expires.. remove/reinstall it.
[05:08] <larson9999> Jucato: come to think of it i was in windows :)
[05:08] <Hawkwind> larson9999: I know you have to pay for the Windows version but not for the linux version
[05:08] <Catull-Mac> :(((( doesn?t work
[05:08] <dr_willis> I see Rar used in so many 'wrong' ways/instances  - thats its scary.
[05:08] <intelikey> supernix are you wanting to add the gnome desktop to your installation ?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: :-(
[05:09] <Jucato> from wikipedia: "he encoder (the main Windows version known as WinRAR) is distributed as shareware, but Roshal has released the decoder's source code under a license that allows free distribution and modification, on condition that it is not used to build a compatible encoder"
[05:09] <Jucato> s/he/the
[05:09] <supernix> yes Gnome and the usual apps that are installed as well
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Do you have the Kubuntu CD?
[05:10] <dr_willis> Jucato,  makes ya wonder as to how encorceable that license is. Could ya clean room reengineer it then?
[05:10] <supernix> what would be the best course of action intelikey ?
[05:10] <intelikey> supernix try  installing   "gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components"
[05:10] <supernix> ok
[05:10] <supernix> ty for your help intelikey
[05:10] <Jucato> I wouldn't know. ehehe
[05:10] <intelikey> n welcome
[05:10] <Catull-Mac> daskreech i downloaded the iso ....
[05:11] <dr_willis> rar's features are nice when used properly.. but egads.. i see so many  sites/downloads that use rar.. when zip works better. :)
[05:11] <intelikey> errr u
[05:11] <Jucato> The thing is, I know that Ubuntu would not put something legally questionable in its repositories
[05:11] <Catull-Mac> dooooo... another iso -.-
[05:11] <dani_beginner> which version of GCC should i download the 4
[05:11] <dr_willis> dani_beginner,  sudo apt-get install build-essential  for a the core compiler tools.
[05:12] <Jucato> I always thought RAR's are more compressed and smaller than ZIP's. Not sure about .TAR.GZ's
[05:12] <intelikey> gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
[05:12] <dr_willis> Jucato,  they 'can' be smaller.. but they can also take 10x to compress and 10x to extract..  (10x time)  and to save a huge... 1 mb on an avi. :P its not worth it. lol
[05:13] <Jucato> eheh! I guess it's a case-to-case basis, then
[05:13] <actinic> cool, i just tried 'alien' .... it works!
[05:13] <dr_willis> Gotta love  downloading a split Rar.. that then takes forever to extract.. then ya realize that some how one of the rar parts is missing.
[05:13] <dr_willis> :P
[05:13] <Jucato> hehehe
[05:13] <actinic> translation: binaries
[05:13] <dani_beginner> dr_willis: i just   installed gcc 4.0 base, compiler, docs and libraries using adept i thnx
[05:13] <actinic> :)
[05:14] <larson9999> Jucato: yeah, the rar part isn't free.  that's what i read
[05:14] <supernix> Will OpenOffice still work as usual while running Gnome ?
[05:14] <intelikey> dani_beginner you should still install 'build-essential'
[05:15] <intelikey> dani_beginner it's a meta package that pulls in several thing normally needed to compile things
[05:15] <Jucato> larson9999: it's not free in the freesoftware sense of the word. but the algorithm for decompressing has been released (see wikipedia quote)
[05:16] <larson9999> Jucato: yeah, i was looking for ways to compress.
[05:16] <intelikey> supernix should be no noticable differance
[05:16] <Jucato> larson9999: the "rar" packages can handle that. it's also "nonfree" (free as in freedom)
[05:16] <dani_beginner> intelikey: k thx
[05:17] <larson9999> Jucato: and wanted to break it up like rar and since it wasn't free i didn't use it.
[05:17] <intelikey> welcome
[05:17] <supernix> A year ago I tried Kubuntu and when I tried running programs compiled for Gnome under KDE they would look awful if they worked correctly at all
[05:17] <dr_willis> supernix,  odd . i mix and match gnome+kde all the time. and they work and look fine.
[05:17] <supernix> But back then the fonts did not look nearly as good as they do now
[05:18] <Jucato> again, it's free (monetarily speaking). I don't think Ubuntu would put something in the repositories, that would make it legally liable, even if it's in multiverse
[05:18] <dr_willis> you can have different themes for each 'set' :P if ya want
[05:18] <dr_willis> Fonts have improved greately in the last 3+ years
[05:18] <supernix> I know it was that lack of good font support that kept me back with Windoze
[05:19] <supernix> that and lack of hardware support
[05:19] <intelikey> lack of hardware support ?
[05:19] <dr_willis> lack of 'os support by the hardware makers' :)
[05:19] <dr_willis> get it right! Lol
[05:20] <supernix> Yes I forgot which hardware was causing issues but I remember lack of USB 2.0 being a concern for me
[05:20] <larson9999> if we all don't buy hw that doesn't ship with linux drivers, things might change
[05:20] <supernix> Yes true lack of OS support
[05:20] <supernix> They said it was due to hardware vendors needing to protect thier intellectual property but funny how things magically work so great for Windows
[05:21] <dr_willis> Heck - i rember when all these windows 95 machines had USB ports. that rarely worked.. due to the OS lacking support for them. :)
[05:21] <dr_willis> Its amazing how BADLY ive had hardware work for me under windows at times.
[05:21] <supernix> LOL yes I have one such computer in mind
[05:21] <dani_beginner> dr_willis: is there a process viewer in kubuntu
[05:21] <dr_willis> Im still amazed that installing this Joystick driver.. demanded i reboot the pc.
[05:21] <dr_willis> dani_beginner,  i just use 'top'
[05:22] <supernix> an old Win95 machine to be exact
[05:22] <Jucato> dani_beginner: press Ctrl+Esc
[05:22] <intelikey> linux supports more hardware than any other os    bar none.     there is propriatary hardware that "purposly" work on only one os    that's true,  but if you have that; it's ya own falt.
[05:22] <larson9999> until recently i've always been about 5 years behind the times hw wise
[05:22] <dani_beginner> jucato: cool thx
[05:23] <Jucato> well, I had the experience of having a mouse that worked perfectly in Windows and Linux, but stopped working in Linux after kernel 2.6.15-25
[05:23] <supernix> I have a serial modem for my fiancees PC but the dang thing will only run at max 26kbp
[05:23] <Jucato> I ended up having to buy a Logitech mouse that costed 5x as much...
[05:23] <supernix> it is supposed to do up to 56kbps
[05:23] <dr_willis> Jucato,  heh  I got a logitech mx 518 - best mouse ive ever had.
[05:24] <larson9999> Jucato: i had an optical mouse that had similar issues.  worked fine in windows but was kinda heywire in linux when i upgraded the kernel.  modfiying xorg.conf fixed it.  it was a ge mouse
[05:24] <Jucato> hehe! Logitech is good. But now my desktop looks like a dalmatian: a mix of black and white parts... (no black mouse available)
[05:24] <Catull-Mac> wuaaaaaaaaaah -.-
[05:25] <dani_beginner> how do i uninstall open office
[05:25] <dr_willis> Hmm.. i dont think i have any white mice. :P
[05:25] <dani_beginner> its doesn't show up in add/remove
[05:25] <Jucato> larson9999: well, it worked perfectly in Linux but only up to a certain kernel release. no amount of modifying xorg.conf fixed it
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: What kind of PC is this?
[05:25] <Catull-Mac> xoc shuttle -.-
[05:25] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: the kubuntu cd didn't boot either?
[05:25] <Catull-Mac> xpc
[05:26] <Catull-Mac> did not try yet
[05:26] <supernix> Sure would be nice if they would release a Kubuntu book
[05:26] <intelikey> Jucato one might ask why you are running a kernel that doesn't utilize all your hardware.     almost the only reason to change kernels is hardware support.    so why upgrade to one that don't work for you ?
[05:26] <Catull-Mac> usb stick didnt work aswell
[05:27] <Jucato> intelikey: coz the newer Linux distro releases will be using the newer kernels by default?
[05:27] <Catull-Mac> i?m gonna use MPart -.-
[05:27] <intelikey> Jucato so ?
[05:27] <Jucato> intelikey: which means I wouldn't be able to upgrade to those releases, for example Edgy
[05:27] <intelikey> i run a 2.4 kernel....
[05:27] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: what's mpart?
[05:27] <intelikey> sure you can
[05:28] <intelikey> you can run 2.4 in edgy
[05:28] <Jucato> intelikey: let me guess, bake/build/make my own kernel?
[05:28] <Catull-Mac> Magic Partition... or can i use the kubuntu-cd without a partition?
[05:28] <larson9999> these days, stuff gets backported to 2.4 so quick lots of people i know are just sticking with 2.4
[05:29] <intelikey> you could,  but installing/upgradeing to next release  doesn't mean you have to remove the kernel that works.
[05:29] <Jucato> intelikey: unless of course it's a fresh install, right?
[05:29] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: i don't remember if the installation process will let you resize the windows partition but i t hink it will.
[05:30] <intelikey> even then you could specify the version
[05:30] <Jucato> intelikey: is that option available? I mean specifying what version will be installed? doesn't the installer come with only 1 kernel version?
[05:30] <Catull-Mac> its the live cd - should work from cd -.-
[05:31] <intelikey> but i really don't care what kernel you use.   just thought i'd pose the question.
[05:31] <intelikey> Jucato you can apt-get it after install
[05:31] <supernix> well hold yah nose here comes the cold water
[05:31] <supernix> Gnome and extras installed and ready
[05:31] <larson9999> Catull-Mac: yeah it does but i thought you wanted to install it
[05:31] <supernix> See YaLL in a minute hopefully
[05:32] <intelikey> supernix
[05:32] <Catull-Mac> actually i wanted to -.-
[05:32] <supernix> Yes intelikey ?
[05:32] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm not really familiar with kernels. That's why I thought it wouild be easier to buy a new mouse... I also thought that newer kernels would be more secure since the patches are mostly fixes
[05:32] <intelikey> ah just acknowledging
[05:32] <supernix> :D thanks again
[05:33] <soulrider> hi
[05:34] <intelikey> Jucato yeah but you can use the security patches on existing also   but like i said no skin off my nose either way.  just pointing out that this is linux,  there's your way my way and another way   but never a best/right/only way
[05:34] <intelikey> :)
[05:34] <Jucato> heheh! thanks for the info anyway. I've always thought that you couldn't go lower than the distro's default kernel...
[05:34] <Jucato> (I believe the 2.4 kernel is also smaller?)
[05:35] <intelikey> na you can run anything you can boot.  but if you go pre 2.2  some apps will prolly break.
[05:36] <intelikey> 2.4 can be much smaller.    i have a 2.4 that has ide scsi and ext#fs  support built in so i don't need an initrd and it will fit on a floppy
[05:36] <MrObvious> Even 2.4 can break some things.
[05:37] <Jucato> hhmm....
[05:37] <MrObvious> I tried 2.4 on Mandriva once, and had to go back lol
[05:38] <intelikey> yes  it  "can"  break some things,   but a 2.6.15  can break some apps also....
[05:38] <Jucato> er.. this isn't a Kubuntu question, but a little bit related: Is there a way to make OO.o open documents in an already opened window, something like MS Word?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: You have NTFS right?
[05:39] <MrObvious> Hawkwind: Geek
[05:39] <intelikey> lol
[05:39] <Jucato> eheheh
[05:39] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: I just know how to follow my simple how-to on my forums for building it :P
[05:40] <MrObvious> That moonie wrote? :p
[05:40] <Hawkwind> Ummm no
[05:40] <MrObvious> lol
[05:40] <MrObvious> Uber geek alert
[05:40] <Hawkwind> This is Ubuntu specific, silly
[05:40] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: It happens to build .deb packages for the kernel for ya
[05:40] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you know how to follow the simple howto that you yourself wrote??
[05:41] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I didn't write actually
[05:41] <intelikey> it prolly requires an initramfs to access ext2fs   so i don't want it.
[05:41] <Jucato> aaah.
[05:41] <Hawkwind> s/write/write it
[05:41] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:41] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Not even remotely close
[05:41] <Jucato> s/write/write.... ^_^
[05:41] <Catull-Mac> daskreech right
[05:41] <MrObvious> lol
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I guess PArtition magic the :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> then
[05:42] <Catull-Mac> i?m about to burn the ubuntu-cd
[05:42] <intelikey> Hawkwind well if you built in ext#  at least you did one thing right    :)
[05:42] <intelikey> sad that *buntu can't get that right.
[05:43] <Catull-Mac> if have only one hour left -.- wasted all the night :(
[05:43] <Catull-Mac> its hard to be a n00b ;)
[05:43] <MrObvious> Hawkwind: You are just jealous because you don't get out and exercise like I do. :P
[05:44] <intelikey> odd  for most nubs it's like breathing.
[05:44] <Jucato> are initrd and initramfs related?
[05:44] <dr_willis> yes. :)
[05:44] <dr_willis> some how. :P
[05:44] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: I bet I get out more than you do actually.  I have kids that keep me excercising all day long
[05:44] <Jucato> except that they both have "init" ...
[05:44] <dani_beginner> help
[05:44] <intelikey> Jucato initramfs is the next generation of initrd
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Yeah I know
[05:44] <dr_willis> initramfs - is the initial ram file system. thats loaded by the initrd i think.
[05:45] <MrObvious> Hawkwind: Lol. That's good. I remember one time I was gonna go bike riding and you're like "I need to". I've been running about now at night and doing almost 2 miles.
[05:45] <MrObvious> :D
[05:45] <dr_willis> or am i getting too many initits messed up
[05:45] <dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <Jucato> oh. I was just wondering about it coz I saw that MEPIS doesn't have it in the menu.lst...
[05:45] <intelikey> dr_willis initramfs is the next generation of initrd
[05:45] <Jucato> initrd I mean
[05:45] <dr_willis> the initrd thing i think is oftenused to load raid, or other drivers for the main kernel. (i belive)
[05:46] <dr_willis> intelikey,  if you say so.
[05:46] <MrObvious> Well I'm gonna go run. Have fun #kubuntu
[05:46] <Ironhead> hello everyone
[05:46] <intelikey> it is.  it's what is replacing initrd
[05:46] <intelikey> MrObvious k
[05:46] <dr_willis> Initrd-TNG! :P
[05:48] <intelikey> Ironhead almost missed you,   shalom.
[05:48] <Ironhead> intelikey : hi im new here
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: On the other hand we have had people here for days trying to setup and configure Kubuntu so hang in there
[05:49] <Catull-Mac> i will if i dont bother you ;)
[05:49] <intelikey> Ironhead new to linux ?
[05:49] <intelikey> irc ?      or just this channel ?
[05:49] <Ironhead> intelikey nope
[05:50] <Ironhead> just this channel
[05:50] <intelikey> or playing multiplayer notepad at only a few days old ???     hehhe    oh
[05:50] <shane_> I am trying to make a writeup on the Kubuntu forums about how to install nvidia drivers in Kubuntu. The problem is I still have not figured out how to do it on a fresh unaltered installation. I am trying to install the nvidia drivers first before I do anything else. Is that the right thing to do or should I update or do something else?
[05:50] <Hawkwind> !nvidia
[05:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:51] <Hawkwind> Why not just follow that.  Very plain and simple and just....works
[05:51] <Ballistik> Does anyone know a good video converter?
[05:51] <shane_> thats a guide for unbuntu not kubuntu, the slight differences messes up newbs like me.
[05:52] <intelikey> yeah   if they would keep it all cli  it'd be universal
[05:52] <Catull-Mac> wohooooo kubuntu cd works at least :D
[05:52] <apallo19> CLI FTW!!
[05:52] <shane_> well thats why I want to type it all out with screenshots.
[05:53] <dr_willis> shane_,  sudo apt-get install synaptic   then run synaptic and follow the guide. :P in many cases
[05:53] <intelikey> apallo19 i may not want to know but   ftw ?
[05:53] <Hawkwind> shane_: That guide is all the same basically
[05:53] <apallo19> for the win
[05:53] <dr_willis> shane_,  i feel the 'best' way is to do it from the shell.  that way you can install them when X is broke.
[05:53] <apallo19> from the gamer lexicon
[05:54] <shane_>  dr_willis you probably just gave me the best bit of information yet.
[05:54] <dr_willis> shane_,  I also feel that synaptic should be included with Kubuntu by default... but everyone yells at me when i suggest that.
[05:54] <dr_willis> shane_,  so i let THEM explain to the noobs why the guides are all written with synaptic in mind. :P
[05:54] <intelikey> apallo19 k.    not a gamer maybe why i didn't know.
[05:55] <Hawkwind> dr_willis: We've got plans to change that actually....the guides will be centered around Kubuntu as well
[05:55] <shane_> dr_willis good point
[05:55] <Catull-Mac> daskreech the kubuntu cd works :)
[05:55] <dr_willis> Hawkwind,  so you will have duplicates of every guide.. one for kubuntu, one for ubuntu.....  Oh joy!
[05:56] <dr_willis> :P
[05:56] <Hawkwind> dr_willis: No sir we won't
[05:56] <cwraig> does any one know how to start vnc as another terminal windows
[05:56] <Hawkwind> dr_willis: We've got plans of doing it right the first time once we get started :)
[05:56] <shane_> Hawkwind well I am about to post one once I get it working. If it is good enough feel free to copy it / use the screenshots.
[05:56] <dr_willis> We need Pictures! lots of Pictures! and flash animations of where to click! im am gettting sick of people saying "I cant find the apply button!"
[05:56] <shane_> by the way how do I take a screenshot?
[05:57] <cwraig> for example disp 1-6 is command prompt disp7 is Xorg can i make disp8 a vnc connection?
[05:57] <larson9999> screenkast!
[05:57] <dr_willis> printscreen button. :P
[05:57] <Hawkwind> prntscrn button
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: :-) Did Mpart work?
[05:57] <shane_> where does it save the file?
[05:57] <Catull-Mac> eeehrm... did not run it yet ;)
[05:57] <goop2> shane_: I think its ctrl-print
[05:57] <dr_willis> cwraig,  ya could run a new X session on 8, then run vncviewer in it.. or anyother window manager/desktop
[05:58] <Catull-Mac> daskreech shoul i first?
[05:58] <intelikey> shane_ there is also an app or two.   but the [prn-scrn]    gennelly works
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: I would say yes. Why were we not doing it in the first plcae?
[05:58] <cwraig> dr_willis, vnc viewer isnt fully compliant with kde (stuff wont go full screen) its a known bug so is there a real light weight window manager that will rund vnc?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> You have a trail version of MPart?
[05:58] <shane_> intelikey dp you know where it saves the files?
[05:58] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: k.... will do it^^
[05:58] <intelikey> ~
[05:59] <Goop2> anybody know how to change the Kmenu icon?
[05:59] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: it was the 12 and 7 gig thing ;)
[05:59] <DaSkreech> :-) I honestly thought that you had done that a while back :)
[05:59] <dr_willis> cwraig,  theres about 5+ vncviewers out there. :P i tend to use the one with vnc4server/viewer.. kde also has its own vncviewer.
[05:59] <intelikey> last time i tried it it was anyway
[05:59] <dr_willis> cwraig,  and i cant recall a problem with any of them.
[05:59] <dr_willis> cwraig,  and vncviewer is just another app. any window manager can run it.
[06:00] <cwraig> Dr thanks i will give it a go
[06:00] <dr_willis> cwraig,  install a very light window manager like fluxbox perhaps. or windowmaker. or pick any of the dozen there in the repos. :)
[06:01] <DaSkreech> shane_: FIgured out ksnapshot?
[06:02] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You give Xubunt a whole new meaning :)
[06:02] <shane_> DaSkreech well its not ctrl+prtscrn its just prtscrn and then it pops up some program and asks me where to save.
[06:02] <shane_> so yeah I got it now.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> shane_: Right I was wondering why you were asking the question in the first place :)
[06:03] <Catull-Mac> daskreech query
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Ack
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Syn?
[06:03] <Goop2> some reasone it didnt used to be just print for me.. that was in Breezy though
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Sorry forgot you don't get Geek jokes :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Yes?
[06:04] <nixternal> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:04] <nixternal>  python2.4-minimal
[06:04] <nixternal> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:04] <nixternal> DaSkreech: help!!!
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:04] <nixternal> oh well, i meant to grab one line, and grabbed 3
[06:04] <nixternal> lol
[06:04] <DaSkreech>  What;s the problem?
[06:05] <supernix> Well doggy I just got finished logging into my Gnome been playing with it a lil
[06:05] <nixternal> cna't upgrade
[06:05] <supernix> Looks nicer than I recall
[06:05] <supernix> TY for the help
[06:05] <nixternal> good ol' edgy with a broken package
[06:05] <Catull> -.-
[06:06] <Catull> -.- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems,
[06:06] <supernix> I like Evolution but I thought you could only run it under Gnome but now that I found out all things work equally well under either WM then I shall definately give it a try
[06:06] <Catull> DaSkreech: anyway... i got a full version of MPart
[06:06] <nixternal> Catull: you need to register your nickname
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !register
[06:06] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Catull: Good
[06:07] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Packages.ubuntu.com ?
[06:07] <nixternal> sudo apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade / and -f install all give me the same error
[06:07] <nixternal> i can never remember how to fix it either
[06:08] <shane_> dr_willis thanks I got synaptic installed, going to go with this writeup the rest of the way !nvidia
[06:08] <Catull> DaSkreech: i have the option just to set uo a partition or a partition for OSs, e.g. linux with the possibilitix to choose swap ext2 and ext3
[06:08] <shane_> !nvidia
[06:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:08] <DaSkreech> What's broken nixternal python?
[06:08] <Catull> DaSkreech: 1gig for the swap right?
[06:08] <nixternal> looks like it
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:10] <GullyFoyle> hrm, i had to reinstall windows on my dual boot system Big surprise, right?) and now i can't boot kubuntu. i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21526, and then it drops me to a root shell
[06:10] <kontiki> Hi - What sw lets me view the bash terminal sessions in real time, for people logged into my box? (laptop)
[06:11] <sivanicon> When I look at the display settings I dont see resolution 1680x1050? I've installed the nvidia drivers what else do i need to do?
[06:11] <Catull> DaSkreech: ext2 or ext3?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> 3
[06:12] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: your so high up on the list
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Of?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Oh your list :)
[06:12] <DShepherd> the rooms list
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Sorry I don't know why IRC tends to do that
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I am?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I'm like ... D or something
[06:13] <DShepherd> yes you are
[06:13] <DShepherd> i know.. want a screenshot?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Of course
[06:14] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: can i start right now with the installation or may i wait 1time for xp to boot?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: I'd go ahead but of course I have little sympathy for XP being in the Emergency Ward
[06:15] <Catull-Mac> ;>
[06:16] <Catull-Mac> installation is running... i?m kinda excited :D
[06:16] <Catull-Mac> go go go
[06:17] <intelikey> did xp break a nail again ?
[06:17] <Catull-Mac> daskreech... it hasnt asked me where to install -.-
[06:17] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i141/DShepherd_photos/Screenshot-7.jpg
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Which Cd did you get the Desktop or the alternate?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Pastebin for Photos?
[06:18] <Catull-Mac> eeerm desktop (livecd)
[06:19] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: no.. its just a place for photos.. and stuff.. not a pastebin
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Ok you should be ok then. It's booted up?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:19] <intelikey> oooh yuch
[06:19] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Greatest Movie :)
[06:19] <Catull-Mac> yepp....
[06:19] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: movie?
[06:19] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: yepp aaah... there is an install-link
[06:19] <DaSkreech> and you clicked the install button?
[06:19] <Catull-Mac> not yet
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: haha! see one step beyond noobeness :)
[06:20] <Catull-Mac> :D
[06:20] <intelikey> ah go on click it.
[06:20] <Catull-Mac> *scared*
[06:20] <Catull-Mac> may I?
[06:20] <Catull-Mac> ;)
[06:20] <intelikey> then you can hate the installer as much as i do
[06:21] <Catull-Mac> lol
[06:21] <intelikey> go on... click it....
[06:21] <intelikey> just pointy clicky thingy
[06:21] <Catull-Mac> oops i did it (not again) the first time :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Hit me baby? One more time
[06:23] <intelikey> Catull-Mac let me ask one quetion,  is there going to be anything non-standard about your install ?
[06:23] <Catull-Mac> not yet hopefully :)
[06:24] <intelikey> well you may like the installer then.
[06:24] <intelikey> it's pretty ridged.       no  hell it's extreemly ridged.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: :-)
[06:25] <intelikey> as long as you want the default everything  it may be great.   but don't expect it to do anything else.
[06:25] <GullyFoyle> i can't find breezy amd64 on the web so i can reinstall. anyone know where it is?
[06:25] <shane_> I have Synaptic package manager installed on Kubuntu. In the !nvidia guide it says "In the Software Preferences dialog that comes up, click the Add button." I do not see a Software Preferences dialoge nor an add button.
[06:26] <intelikey> shane_ not dapper ?
[06:26] <shane_> intelikey how do I tell?
[06:26] <intelikey> lsb_release
[06:26] <Catull-Mac> ooh ooh... hre comes the hdd partition part -.-
[06:26] <intelikey> or is it  lsb-release
[06:26] <shane_> intelikey yes its dapper
[06:27] <intelikey> then why are you looking for breezy ?
[06:27] <GullyFoyle> i'm looking for breezy
[06:27] <shane_> intelikey I did not know I was looking for breezy
[06:28] <shane_> does anyone here have nvidia drivers installed on the latest Kubuntu release? I am having a difficult time finding out how.
[06:28] <intelikey> GullyFoyle please see what was supposed to be yours ^
[06:29] <intelikey> and shane_ sorry for the mis-address
[06:29] <GullyFoyle> i'm looking for breezy so i can install it and upgrade to dapper, which worked before. dapper won't run from livecd, the mouse just jumps around, and the alternate cd won't work either.
[06:30] <intelikey> GullyFoyle hmmm that is different.    ok.  let me look.
[06:30] <GullyFoyle> since i can't seem to boot dapper after i reinstalled winxp on my dual boot sysytem.
[06:31] <GullyFoyle> i get this error when ichoose kubuntu in grub:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21526
[06:31] <shane_> GullyFoyle ahh never install windows after linux
[06:31] <shane_> install linux last if possible
[06:32] <matt___> but dont forget when installing windows first to leave some space on the hd for linux
[06:32] <GullyFoyle> i had already installed them both, they worked fine but then windows got so f**** up that i reinstalled it on sda1 and now kubuntu won't boot even though the partition is still intact
[06:32] <Catull-Mac> daskreech  and now?
[06:33] <shane_> Is the !nvidia driver install guide for breezy ubuntu?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Where are you?
[06:33] <Catull-Mac> after the installation -.-
[06:33] <Catull-Mac> guess still on the livecd
[06:34] <Catull-Mac> daskreech  not sure if he took the right partitions o_O
[06:34] <Catull-Mac> logout?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> What do you mean you aren't sure?
[06:35] <GullyFoyle> kubuntuamd64 will not work from cd even though i had it running before. the only way it worked was when i apt-get upgraded from breezy and then fixed the things that broke, like sound and such
[06:35] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Sup?
[06:35] <Catull-Mac> i choose the new partition, but he didnt showed the 1gig partition for the swap^^
[06:35] <shane_> lmao no one responded to the question of "does anyone here have nvidia drivers installed on the latest release of kubuntu" that tells me that there is poop in a creek and I am in it trying to go against stream and with no convenient way to get out.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Hmm Ok did it ask you to make one?
[06:35] <Catull-Mac> yepp
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Alright
[06:36] <Catull-Mac> anyway...the installation is over..logout?
[06:36] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: checking out Xara xtreme. Its pretty fly! Ron-Cey and david might ditch inkscape for this
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Umm Sure
[06:36] <Catull-Mac> bios boot from hdd1?
[06:36] <GullyFoyle> i had nvidia running fine on dapper until i reinstalled winxp on the other partition. i was p;laying unreal tournament online and everything
[06:36] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> and cross your toes :)
[06:36] <Catull-Mac> :)
[06:37] <shane_> GullyFoyle I need to pay you to tell me how to install nvidia drivers?
[06:37] <Catull-Mac> whats that dragon? -.-
[06:37] <DShepherd> Catull-Mac: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx. pay me pay me
[06:37] <DShepherd> oops
[06:37] <DShepherd> wrong person
[06:37] <DShepherd> shane_:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx. pay me pay me
[06:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:38] <Catull-Mac> hehe
[06:38] <shane_> last time I did that I ended up in that creek i was referring to earlier
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Jucato of the Beautiful Women!
[06:38] <DShepherd> oh ok
[06:38] <Jucato> lol!
[06:38] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech!
[06:38] <DaSkreech> shane_: The question is did you have a paddle?
[06:38] <Jucato> DaSkreech of the... um.... I dunno :-D
[06:38] <shane_> DaSkreech read my post at 04:35
[06:39] <dani_beginner> when i try to something with kpackage it asks me for a root password i enter and keeps asking me i think it would be wrong but the same password is ok for adept
[06:39] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:39] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: xp is starting^^
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Which Dragon?
[06:40] <shane_> GullyFoyle are you still here?
[06:40] <Catull-Mac> wtf?
[06:40] <Catull-Mac> error 626 while executing batch^^
[06:40] <shane_> DShepherd is sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx this all I have to do? nothing else to install?
[06:40] <GullyFoyle> anybody use the amd64 livecd?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> *sighs*
[06:41] <Catull-Mac> uuummm...
[06:41] <DShepherd> shane_: according to the lasttime i check
[06:41] <DShepherd> s/check/checked/
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ok Time to reboot with the live CD
[06:41] <Jucato> Is it normal that numbering/bullets that I made in OO.o Writer does not appear in KWord?
[06:41] <Catull-Mac> me?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: reboot with the live CD and install gparted
[06:41] <GullyFoyle> whenever i run it, the mouse cursor flies around and random apps open and then finally the screen locks
[06:41] <shane_> DShepherd ok here goes again
[06:42] <shane_> DShepherd So nothing at all with the stuff listed here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:42] <intelikey> GullyFoyle i thought i had it.....       As you can see, linuxiso.org is temporarily offline due to a hardware
[06:42] <intelikey>    failure. Rick and Jered are working to repair the server at this time, and
[06:42] <intelikey>    we hope to have linuxiso.org back up and running as soon as possible.
[06:42] <DShepherd> shane_: follow that guide
[06:43] <GullyFoyle> i'd like to install dapper directly but i can't seem to get either the livecd or the alternate to work
[06:43] <DShepherd> shane_: you asked me how to install it. not how to get it to work :-D
[06:43] <DShepherd> shane_: going to still pay me?
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Haha
[06:43] <DaSkreech> shane_: he needs money
[06:44] <Catull-Mac> daskreech livecd is running
[06:44] <DaSkreech> open adept and install gparted
[06:44] <shane_> DShepherd lts discuss that once I get it working
[06:44] <GullyFoyle> oh well i'll look elsewher for help.
[06:45] <Catull-Mac> daskreech from the cd?
[06:45] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: live cd should have gparted on it already
[06:46] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: i know ubuntu live does
[06:46] <Jucato> hm...
[06:47] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: during the installation there was the possibility to do a partition...but i thought MPart did it already... another install?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:47] <Jucato> IIRC, Kubuntu Desktop CD does not have a GUI partitioner, but I think Ubiquity uses a portion of QtParted?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> I guess
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Look at the partitons in gparted and see if htey match up to what you expect
[06:47] <DShepherd> what does iirc mean again? I can never remember
[06:47] <shane_> DShepherd whats up with steps 4-6 @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:47] <Jucato> If I Remember/Recall Correctly
[06:48] <Jucato> but it could also be "If I Ran Continuously"? ehehehe
[06:48] <DShepherd> shane_: which one of the steps 4 - 6?
[06:48] <Catull-Mac> daskreech..there are only 2 again -.-
[06:49] <kunjan> quick question, wht was thing called for ubuntu that would let you share files, play music, share photos, kinda like webmin
[06:49] <kunjan> ubuntu remote or somehting?
[06:49] <DShepherd> Jucato: thanks
[06:49] <kunjan> if i rememberd the name i would google :(
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: are they the right sizes?
[06:50] <DShepherd> kunjan: ubuntu center?
[06:50] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: may i delete that one an make new partitions?
[06:50] <kunjan> yeah!
[06:50] <kunjan> thanks DShepherd
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Yeah
[06:51] <Catull-Mac> the win partition and 1 linux partition with only 7,84mb -.-
[06:51] <DShepherd> kunjan: no prob
[06:51] <Catull-Mac> eeerm...
[06:51] <Catull-Mac> doooo
[06:51] <Jucato> ooh I just suddenly remembered that they're going to have a "Kubuntu Hardware Database" (similar to Ubuntu's) in Edgy, I think...
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: Doooo?
[06:52] <kunjan> does ubuntu center stream music btw?
[06:52] <Catull-Mac> doooh (simpsons -.-)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Who cares ahve you seen the Ubuntu hardware?
[06:52] <Catull-Mac> cant delete
[06:52] <DaSkreech> It's reports everythign as unkown
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: What is the file sysyem?
[06:52] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ehehehe. maybe I'm just jealous that Ubuntu has one. lol
[06:52] <DaSkreech> It's useless thought
[06:53] <Catull-Mac> first is ntfs second linux-swap
[06:53] <Jucato> DaSkreech: maybe it reports whoever is using pirated copies of Ubuntu/Kubuntu...
[06:53] <intelikey> gullyfoyle
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah@_@
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Why Didn't I think of that 0_o
[06:53] <Jucato> ^_^
[06:54] <shane_> DShepherd start st step 4. Since I am on Kubuntu I don't get Synaptic. I installed synaptic and have it open now. I click on Settings/Repositories and get a dialog. The problem is according to that writeup there is an ADD button. Well I see no ADD button.
[06:54] <Catull-Mac> when i try to delete the secon it says: the partition is embedded (eingebunden in german)
[06:55] <Jucato> shane_: could you give me a link to that "writeup"? just curious...
[06:55] <Catull-Mac> the program is namend qtparted btw^^
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Catull-Mac: I know :)
[06:55] <Jucato> ^_^
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm going home now
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Bye guys
[06:55] <shane_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia for reference it is the very one that links from !nvidia when you type that here in the #Kubuntu
[06:55] <Jucato> aaaw...
[06:56] <Jucato> bye DaSkreech!!!
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Take good care of Catull-Mac
[06:56] <Catull-Mac> daskreech:   ummm bye :)
[06:56] <Jucato> shane_: unfortunately, the page is heavily Ubuntu-based... hold on a sec. let's see if I can dig something up
[06:56] <Jucato> hm... it's loading kinda slowly...
[06:56] <shane_> Jucato that would be uber.
[06:56] <Catull-Mac> you will :)
[06:57] <Jucato> tsk tsk.. that page is my pet peeve...
[06:57] <shane_> try this
[06:57] <shane_> !nvidia
[06:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:57] <Jucato> shane_: it's loaded
[06:57] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: tell shane_ how to add restricted via adept
[06:58] <DaSkreech> It's on the wiki with screenshots
[06:58] <Jucato> shane_: I don't have Synaptic, so would it be ok if I guide you in Adept?
[06:58] <DShepherd> shane_: I am a gnome guy.. sorry ;-)
[06:58] <shane_> Jucato that would be even better
[06:58] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: where on the wiki?
[06:58] <DaSkreech>  I advise opening adept by using Alt+space
[06:58] <DaSkreech> !repos
[06:58] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:58] <Jucato> DaSkreech: Alt+Space??? Isn't that for Katapult? :-D
[06:58] <DaSkreech> The ones on the Kmenu tend to give you Add/Remove which is hobbled
[06:59] <Jucato> shane_: close Synaptic and launch Adept
[06:59] <Jucato> DaSkreech: the Adept from K Menu > System is the ful one :-D
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yeah but I'm sick of people telling me that There is no Manage repositores under the Adept Menu
[06:59] <Jucato> lol
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Oh yeah Who findsthat one :-P
[06:59] <shane_> Jucato Adept open
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Plus it's thinly vield excuse for me to pimp katapult
[06:59] <josh__> ok i just installed firestarter, can i close it and it will still be running?
[06:59] <josh__> or do i have to minimize it
[07:00] <Jucato> shane_: then in Adept menu, click on Manage Repositories
[07:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yey Katapult!
[07:00] <DShepherd> shane_: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html <-- that should show you how to add restricted to your source.lst
[07:00] <Jucato> with it was themeable, though
[07:00] <shane_> Jucato got that open
[07:00] <fyyrest0rm> but..but..there's no "manage repositories" in adept <ducks>
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Katapult?
[07:00] <Catull-Mac> daskreech: what time do you hasve right now? here it is 7 am
[07:00] <Jucato> yeah...
[07:00] <DaSkreech> 12:00
[07:01] <DaSkreech> or 00:00 if you want to get military
[07:01] <DShepherd> shane_: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html <-- how to install nvidia on kubuntu
[07:01] <Catull-Mac> :)
[07:01] <Catull-Mac> k...
[07:01] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: 12:00am too!! where you at man?
[07:02] <Jucato> DShepherd: doesn't explain the part about adding/enabling the "restricted" section..
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Umm India
[07:02] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:02] <DShepherd> :-D
[07:02] <intelikey> josh__ close
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I forget isnt' restricted already there?
[07:02] <DShepherd> Jucato: its all there on the last link i sent
[07:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: depends on which one
[07:02] <DShepherd> Jucato: check it out
[07:03] <shane_> DShepherd let him finish helping me !
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Alt+Space -> Ctrl+C
[07:03] <DaSkreech> aseigo: He asked a stupid question :)
[07:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: only limited to 2 types of "Display"
[07:03] <Jucato> lol
[07:03] <intelikey> oh it is 00:00 in india ?
[07:04] <DShepherd> I doubt it is
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Gotta run
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Bye guys!!
[07:04] <Jucato> aseigo is alive!!!! how's KDE 4 doing? Good luck with aKademy/Akademy
[07:04] <intelikey> that's what i get for being 'indian'
[07:04] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: lata..
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:04] <Jucato> shane_: sorry for the interruptions
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Wonder how many times a day aseigo gets asked that
[07:04] <shane_> Jucato is ok
[07:04] <DShepherd> got the email for jBain DaSkreech?
[07:04] <Jucato> shane_: I was trying to look for easier references that combined them all
[07:04] <DShepherd> from*
[07:05] <shane_> Jucato I am going to make my own writeup and post it in the Kubuntu forums.
[07:05] <intelikey> well  someone asked me if i ever slept....  about 18 hours ago...   so i think i'll try it.  it may be fun.
[07:05] <shane_> Jucato as soon as I get it working
[07:05] <Jucato> shane_: anyway, make sure that "restricted" is included/enabled in the following "deb" (not deb-src) lines:
[07:05] <Jucato> shane_: (don't worry about that, we're working on it)
[07:05] <intelikey> later folks.      or eariler as case may be .
[07:05] <Jucato> intelikey:  lol
[07:06] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted" <--- this should be enabled
[07:06] <shane_> Jucato xx meaning us right?
[07:06] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted" <-- this should be also enabled
[07:07] <Jucato> shane_: depends on where you are. it could be us., uk., or in my case, ph.
[07:07] <josh___> is it possible to hack linux?
[07:08] <shane_> Jucato i see where it says Components: main restricted
[07:08] <Jucato> shane_: "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted" <---- you may have to add "restricted" to this one, then enable it
[07:08] <DShepherd> josh__ yes it is possible
[07:09] <Jucato> josh___: depends on what you mean by "hack"...
[07:09] <josh___> uh take control of the computer
[07:09] <Jucato> developers/programmers are usually called hackers, but in the good sense of the word
[07:09] <Jucato> josh___: that's usually called "cracking/crackers" nowadays, I think
[07:10] <shane_> Jucato in the Components column of each of those it says "main restricted" and all are bold so I assume enabled (not commented out)
[07:10] <josh___> oh ok
[07:10] <Jucato> shane_: yep. you presume right. just double check if you want
[07:10] <josh___> well could somebody take control of this OS?
[07:10] <josh___> easily?
[07:10] <shane_> Jucato I right click and the only option is disable
[07:10] <Jucato>  but more importantly, make sure that the "dapper-security" line has "restricted"
[07:10] <Jucato> josh___: possible? yes. easily? no
[07:11] <josh___> niiice
[07:11] <shane_> Jucato so by default these are all in proper order for nvidia driver install?
[07:11] <Jucato> shane_: well, I suggest you take one more step to make sure
[07:11] <josh___> i know someone who can open ur cd drives, turn off ur computer,apparently wreck ur hard drive
[07:11] <Jucato> shane_: btw, don't forget to click on Apply and then Fetch Changes whenever  you made some changes to it
[07:11] <josh___> he disabled someone's internet and all the lights on his router turned on and started blinking
[07:12] <Catull-Mac> im outta here..thx so far...cu soon :)
[07:12] <josh___> could a hacker like that get into kubuntu with firestarter and a hardware firewall running?
[07:12] <shane_> Jucato so the deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted needs to have "main restricted restricted" under Components
[07:12] <Jucato> shane_: no. just "main restricted"
[07:13] <Jucato> in some installations, "restricted" isn't there by default, that's why I mentioned it
[07:13] <shane_> Jucato ok then I did not have to make one single change
[07:13] <Jucato> ok then
[07:13] <josh___> i just got a hit on my firewall
[07:13] <josh___> is someone trying to pull something?
[07:14] <josh___> yeha well i'll tell that guy to do his worst
[07:14] <Jucato> ok then, now you need to install the "linux-restricted-modules-xxxx" that matches your linux-image-xxxx
[07:14] <shane_> Jucato even though I did not change anything.. oddly enough I went ahead and clicked OK then Fetch Changes... it did something... too fast for me to read
[07:14] <Jucato> shane_: what it did was to update your cache. no biggie
[07:15] <shane_> Jucato xxxx = 386?
[07:16] <Jucato> shane_: if that's what you are using
[07:16] <shane_> Jucato is there a way to tell?
[07:16] <Jucato> shane_: in Konsole: uname -r
[07:17] <shane_> well I get 2.6.15-26-386 and in Adept it shows as that being installed already.
[07:17] <shane_> Jucato^^
[07:18] <Jucato> shane_: so linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-386 is installed already?
[07:18] <shane_> Jucato as well as linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:18] <Jucato> good
[07:18] <Jucato> now all you have to do is install nvidia-glx
[07:18] <shane_> Jucato it says installed in green next to them both
[07:19] <shane_> Jucato edit any conf files?
[07:19] <Jucato> shane_: huh? install nvidia-glx, then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" in Konsole
[07:20] <Jucato> or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[07:20] <Jucato> I think they do the same thing
[07:20] <shane_> Jucato argh I just tried to install nvidia-glx and it started but when it goes back to Adept it doesn't say "installed" it says "not installed" no change
[07:20] <Jucato> shane_: I guess it's time to go to the command line
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato ohh dun "Apply changes"
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato duh my fault
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato i hit fetch but not apply
[07:21] <shane_> Jucato it shows installed now
[07:21] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:21] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:22] <Jucato> shane_: now in Konsole, "sudo nvidia-xconfig" or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[07:22] <shane_> Jucato either or?
[07:22] <Jucato> yep.
[07:22] <shane_> Jucato ok the first one then
[07:22] <Jucato> eheh
[07:22] <Jucato> that's the one I used. but the wiki says the 2nd one.
[07:22] <arepie__> !repositories
[07:22] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:22] <Jucato> @_@
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato alrighty it did its thing
[07:23] <Jucato> shane_: now you have to restart X. save everything that needs saving, the hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato looks like it just backed up a file
[07:23] <Jucato> uhuh
[07:23] <shane_> Jucato ok here comes that Creek with the feces in it and me with no paddle. BRB
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <Jucato> good luck
[07:25] <shane_> Well there was no poo in the Creek after all
[07:26] <arepie__> i've read the managing repositories in kubuntu, and in my reps list, i have 4 "universe" component, should i add "multiverse" to all the 4  ?
[07:26] <Jucato> lol
[07:26] <mhonn> hi...
[07:27] <mhonn> i had problem about install xmms
[07:27] <shane_> Jucato I am going to ask your opinion on something....
[07:27] <Jucato> arepie__: probably, if you need something from multiverse
[07:27] <Jucato> shane_: yep?
[07:27] <mhonn> how to play mp3
[07:27] <shane_> Jucato http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43320 what about something like this?
[07:28] <hasan> which application do I need to send/receive faxes ?
[07:28] <Jucato> !mp3 > mhonn
[07:30] <Jucato> shane_: I can't really recommend since I haven't tried it yet. but my personal opinion... I prefer to know what I'm doing, what's being added or removed
[07:30] <shane_> Jucato yeah I like the idea though.. this may not work 100% but the idea behind it could be great if scripted properly.
[07:31] <Jucato> shane_: it's up to you. you could also read the comments below it to see how successful or safe it is
[07:33] <Jucato> shane_: just reading the "what it does EXACTLY", I have some issues with it already...
[07:33] <Jucato> but I haven't checked the exact code/script yet.
[07:35] <shane_> Jucato I was just saying that having a script to do it all for you would be nice for a fresh install, I have never seen anything like that before.
[07:35] <Jucato> aseigo: good luck on aKademy/Akademy! Will the papers/talks be made available online after the conference? (sorry to disturb you)
[07:36] <aseigo> Jucato: usually most of it is, yes..
[07:36] <aseigo> Jucato: i don't think it'll happen this year, but next year i'd like to see an actual proceedings be produced
[07:36] <Jucato> shane_: btw, you might want to try out Automatix or EasyUbuntu
[07:36] <aseigo> but we'll see
[07:37] <Jucato> aseigo: that would be nice. I'm looking at the conference schedule and there are a lot of good topics
[07:37] <shane_> Jucato I will look those up
[07:37] <shane_> Jucato thanks for the help I appreciate it
[07:37] <Jucato> shane_: this is for Automatix: http://www.getautomatix.com/
[07:37] <Jucato> shane_: this is for EasyUbuntu: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[07:40] <shane_> Jucato is automatix working for the latest version of Kubuntu?
[07:41] <Jucato> last I heard, yes
[07:41] <Jucato> there are Kubuntu-specific instructions I think
[07:41] <Jucato> here yah go! http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38#Installing_on_Kubuntu_6.06_Dapper_Drake
[07:42] <Jucato> just take note that the instructions are more command-line oriented
[07:42] <Jucato> err... I just discoverd a major error on that page...
[07:43] <Jucato> !automatix
[07:43] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[07:43] <Jucato> excuse me...
[07:44] <shane_> Jucato hey i just installed it... what error?
[07:44] <tobias_> how do i install this www.getdemocracy.com?
[07:44] <Jucato> well, it's not really an error but more of a "extremely NOT recommended"
[07:45] <shane_> Jucato uhh ohh
[07:45] <Jucato> which method did you use?
[07:45] <shane_> Jucato Automatic Automatix Installer
[07:46] <Jucato> oh
[07:46] <shane_> Jucato I did these commands:
[07:46] <shane_> wget http://www.getautomatix.com/files/automatix-installer
[07:46] <shane_> chmod 755 ~/automatix-installer
[07:46] <shane_> ./automatix-installer
[07:46] <Jucato> I was referring to #4 and #5, the manual ways
[07:46] <Jucato> shane_: don't paste multiple lines... ^_^
[07:47] <shane_> Jucato ahh its been a while forgot about that
[07:47] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:47] <shane_> Jucato I am closing everything and using automatix
[07:48] <Jucato> ok good luck!
[07:55] <idiot-001> how do i suspend kubuntu to RAM?
[07:55] <minhcom> hello everybody
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: just click on the battery icon and choose it ..
[07:56] <unix_infidel> idiot-001: depends on how your computer handles it.
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: if it`s not available, click on configure and enable the acpi_helpers
[07:56] <fritsch> idiot-001: but if it will work ist another thing
[07:57] <idiot-001> ar~ i am new to linux~ so where should i click?
[07:59] <lnxkde> what package I have to install to enable file sharing betwen linux PCs conected to the same rauter
[07:59] <lnxkde> ??
[07:59] <lnxkde> I try to configure the sharing with the Syatem setting tools and with kcontrol
[08:00] <lnxkde> as root of course and dont work, I cant change anything
[08:00] <lnxkde> ....
[08:00] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:01] <lnxkde> _rince_ u know?
[08:01] <_rince_> know what?
[08:03] <tobias_> how do i install this www.getdemocracy.com?
[08:03] <tobias_> its a debian package
[08:03] <tobias_> for ubuntu
[08:04] <lnxkde> eny .deb
[08:04] <tobias_> I dont seem to have gdebi, it opens in ark for some reason
[08:04] <lnxkde> dpkg -i package.deb
[08:04] <lnxkde> _rince_ how to fileshareing in kubuntu?
[08:04] <tobias_> so I write "dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb" ?
[08:05] <_rince_> tobias: and hope there are no further dependencies
[08:05] <tobias_> cool
[08:05] <tobias_> thanx
[08:05] <_rince_> lnxkde: you want to share between 2 linux boxes?
[08:05] <lnxkde> tobias_:  sudo dpkg -i  package.deb
[08:05] <tobias_> u should try that democrazyplayer too my friend said it rox
[08:05] <lnxkde> _rince_:  yep
[08:05] <tobias_> oh
[08:06] <_rince_> lnxkde: for that i use nfs
[08:06] <tobias_> now im confused
[08:06] <tobias_> ok Ill write "sudop dpkg -i package.deb"
[08:06] <lnxkde> no
[08:06] <tobias_> without the p
[08:06] <lnxkde> yep
[08:06] <lnxkde> nice and easy
[08:06] <tobias_> thanx:)
[08:07] <lnxkde> the sudo is giving you super user powers to control your system
[08:07] <lnxkde> is the same as root
[08:07] <lnxkde> :)
[08:07] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[08:08] <tobias_> what is the path for my desktop btw?
[08:08] <tobias_> nevermind
[08:08] <tobias_> lol
[08:09] <tobias_> I found out
[08:09] <lnxkde> _rince_: I dont get it...
[08:09] <lnxkde> first time configurating kubuntu for filesharing
[08:15] <_rince_> lnxkde: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/
[08:16] <_rince_> but maybe you should not stick to the word in that tutorial but try to merge that knowledge with some ubuntu-wiki maybe
[08:16] <lnxkde> thankx
[08:21] <tobias_> I got the democrazy player installed but I cant find it in any menu
[08:21] <tobias_> help tobi!?
[08:23] <Jucato> tobias_: what happens when you try to run it in Konsole?
[08:23] <tobias_> jucato: I can run it in konsole?
[08:24] <Jucato> hold on a sec
[08:24] <Jucato> !democrazy
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about democrazy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <tobias_> oh, it should have some info about democrazy since it seems so cool
[08:24] <tobias_> and its made for like ubuntu
[08:24] <Jucato> how did you install it, btw? .deb ?
[08:24] <tobias_> .deb
[08:25] <tobias_> "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[08:25] <Jucato> oh. try typing this in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" then once it finishes, try looking at K Menu again
[08:26] <tobias_> no database available it says
[08:26] <tobias_> strange
[08:26] <Jucato> that's ok
[08:26] <tobias_> but its in the menu!
[08:26] <tobias_> :D
[08:26] <tobias_> thanx!
[08:27] <Jucato> no problem
[08:31] <tobias_> hmm
[08:32] <tobias_> jucato: what could the reason that it wont play the file i select after searching inside the program?
[08:32] <Jucato> er.. I wouldn't know. I don't even know what democrazy is...
[08:32] <Jucato> @_@
[08:32] <tobias_> jucato: its like i push play and it blinks and nothing happens
[08:33] <tobias_> jucato: u should try it, my friend says it rox, its a video media channel streamer:)
[08:33] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to have a daemon start as root when a user starts X?
[08:33] <tobias_> jucato: internet Teevee!
[08:33] <Jucato> oh
[08:33] <Jucato> maybe it has something to do with the media format?
[08:33] <unix_infidel> eg, i'm trying to run tpb -d as a user.
[08:33] <tobias_> yes
[08:33] <tobias_> hmm
[08:33] <unix_infidel> i've tried using sudo in a startup script but i get xosd error.
[08:33] <tobias_> maybe i need codecs
[08:34] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[08:34] <Jucato> tobias_: what format does democrazy try to play?
[08:36] <tobias_> jucato: I got other files to work :)
[08:37] <tobias_> jucato: I think maybe the first file i tried to play sucked
[08:37] <tobias_> jucato: cus all other files work and the one that didnt was unusually small
[08:37] <Jucato> probably :-D
[08:40] <tobias_> jucato: u should try this program, all the movie files i tried so far are downloaded in seconds
[08:40] <tobias_> it must be like a filesharing thing I dunno
[08:40] <Jucato> ehehe! I'm not much into videos that much :-D
[08:41] <tobias_> oki:)
[08:59] <idiot-001> i am new to linux~ how do i suspend Kubuntu to RAM
[09:02] <Pensa`MIA> I was wondering if there is any universal cd image writer for kubuntu
[09:03] <Jucato> Pensa`MIA: you mean burn an ISO to CD?
[09:03] <Pensa`MIA> yeah, but also images created with windows and stuff
[09:03] <Pensa`MIA> like nero images
[09:03] <Jucato> hmm... nrg images are a bit tricky, though
[09:03] <Jucato> but K3b can burn ISO's
[09:04] <Pensa`MIA> I have one small windows program called imgburn and I'm looking for something similar
[09:04] <Pensa`MIA> it can burn about every possible image fil
[09:05] <Pensa`MIA> I hate booting into windows :)
[09:05] <Jucato> Pensa`MIA: I think it's possible to install Nero for Linux. but I'm not familiar with it
[09:05] <Pensa`MIA> I'd prefer a native linux package
[09:06] <Pensa`MIA> ah well, brb I'll burn it in windows :)
[09:06] <Jucato> err... it is a native linux package... @_@
[09:09] <ironfroggy> I have two directories with the same files. how can i sync them, when changes may have been made in either?
[09:09] <ironfroggy> i want to copy the updated and new files from each directory to the other.
[09:09] <CVirus> ironfroggy: man ln
[09:09] <Jucato> ironfroggy: You can just make one of the directories a symlink of the other
[09:10] <ironfroggy> no, no i cant.
[09:10] <Jucato> why not?
[09:10] <ironfroggy> one of them is a remote share
[09:10] <Jucato> oh
[09:10] <ironfroggy> which is not always available
[09:10] <ironfroggy> what im actually doing is keeping a local copy of the remote files i use, and i want them to stay synced automatically
[09:11] <ironfroggy> and then ill be symlinking all the local files into the mountpoint, so when the remote share is not available, the files i want to use offline are still available.
[09:11] <ironfroggy> at the same path
[09:11] <Jucato> how about making the remote share folder the symlink of the local folder?
[09:11] <ironfroggy> how could that work?
[09:12] <ironfroggy> what would actually be on the remote share, just symlinks to my laptop? seems kinda... pointless.
[09:12] <Jucato> well...
[09:12] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:13] <ironfroggy> i was thinking of rsync, but i cant make heads or tails or some of the example rsync usages to tell if its right for this.
[09:13] <ironfroggy> specifically, if it can handle changes on either end.
[09:20] <redondo81> Hi averyone, is there anyone can help me to install a new theme on kde?Thanks
[09:21] <RawSewage> I would do this first
[09:21] <RawSewage> System Settings -  Panels
[09:21] <RawSewage> Menus
[09:21] <RawSewage> Click the Settings box
[09:21] <RawSewage> tell me when youre done
[09:22] <Jucato> .....
[09:22] <RawSewage> Now you have a Settings in your KMenu with easy to access system controls.  one of those is Theme Manager
[09:22] <redondo81> ok, I'm in the kcontrol center
[09:22] <RawSewage> now go to Panels
[09:23] <RawSewage> then to the Menus tab
[09:23] <RawSewage> Click the Settings box
[09:23] <RawSewage> click Ok
[09:23] <redondo81> I've try to apply a new theme, but the taskbar doesn'r change
[09:23] <Jucato> redondo81: what theme are you trying to install/apply?
[09:24] <RawSewage> Did you do that
[09:24] <redondo81> Vista makeover
[09:24] <RawSewage> no one ever does that when I tell them
[09:24] <RawSewage> I have no idea why
[09:24] <redondo81> I downloaded it from kdelook
[09:25] <Jucato> RawSewage: coz it's.. um... i don't know :-D
[09:25] <Jucato> System Settings is there anyway....
[09:25] <RawSewage> pfft
[09:25] <RawSewage> this is better
[09:25] <Jucato> hehe
[09:25] <RawSewage> System Settings doesnt have Theme Manager
[09:25] <redondo81> ok ok, now also the taskbar is changed
[09:25] <redondo81> thank you very much
[09:25] <RawSewage> ?
[09:25] <redondo81> you're great
[09:25] <redondo81> :)
[09:25] <RawSewage> what are you talking about
[09:25] <RawSewage> we didnt even do anything with themes yet
[09:26] <Jucato> RawSewage: Theme Manager seems to be quite... unusable... lately?
[09:26] <RawSewage> why
[09:26] <Jucato> i mean when it comes to .kth files
[09:26] <RawSewage> how do you install themes
[09:26] <RawSewage> seems like every theme has a different install method
[09:26] <RawSewage> it's very confusing
[09:26] <Jucato> What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[09:27] <redondo81> I installed a theme that was in the list
[09:27] <RawSewage> cool
[09:27] <RawSewage> bookmarked
[09:27] <Jucato> RawSewage: .kth files in Theme Manager only works if you have the other appropriate themes installed... otherwise you get a very broken theme...
[09:27] <RawSewage> Im using Embassy
[09:28] <RawSewage> oh
[09:28] <RawSewage> have you ever tried Embassy
[09:28] <Jucato> is it in KDE-Look?
[09:28] <RawSewage> yeah
[09:28] <Jucato> I'll look into it
[09:28] <RawSewage> one of the high rated ones
[09:29] <RawSewage> my taskbar is tiny and transparent
[09:29] <RawSewage> single row
[09:29] <Jucato> I do wish they work on Theme Manager or replace it with something. It's one aspect where GNOME beats us silly :-D
[09:29] <Jucato> hehe! then it might not be useful for me...
[09:29] <RawSewage> no
[09:29] <Jucato> I have no panels visible by default
[09:29] <RawSewage> thats not part of Embassy
[09:29] <Jucato> aaah
[09:30] <RawSewage> I shouldve said, I also make my taskbar tiny and transparent
[09:30] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:30] <knubbe> anyone having problems with firefox? since yesterday when i start it, i see it loads and then it disappears. when i try the 2nd time it works.
[09:30] <Jucato> it looks kool
[09:31] <RawSewage> did you install Embassy already
[09:31] <Jucato> not yet
[09:32] <Jucato> I'm reading the prerequisites, and this is what I meant
[09:32] <Jucato> Embassy won't work unless you have those other "themes" installed already
[09:32] <Jucato> and I have none of those...
[09:32] <Jucato> except Crystal
[09:32] <RawSewage> it works out of the box
[09:33] <RawSewage> I did a fresh install of Kubuntu yesterday
[09:33] <Jucato> ok let me try it
[09:33] <RawSewage> installed Embassy with Theme Manager
[09:33] <Jucato> I may be wrong... I hope I am :-D
[09:33] <RawSewage> it seems to all be there
[09:33] <DjDarkman> hy ,I`ve just installed compiz and xgl ,how do I use/configure them?
[09:33] <RawSewage> um
[09:33] <RawSewage> I forgot
[09:33] <Jucato> RawSewage: did you install QtCurve, VistaInspirate, etc. separately?
[09:33] <RawSewage> no
[09:34] <RawSewage> just opened the kth with Theme Manager
[09:34] <Jucato> ok I'll try
[09:34] <Jucato> hm.. how about Kbfx?
[09:34] <DjDarkman> btw is it safe to update to the latest xserver-core?
[09:34] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:35] <Jucato> RawSewage: still downloading
[09:35] <Jucato> it could be that Embassy  is one of those very rary .KTH files that actually install everything it needs
[09:35] <RawSewage> DjDarkman, gconf-editor,
[09:36] <RawSewage> it's in Apps
[09:36] <Jucato> RawSewage: you're in Kubuntu, my friends...
[09:36] <Jucato> s/friends/friend
[09:36] <RawSewage> he asked about Compiz config menu
[09:36] <DjDarkman> thank you RawSewage ,I`ll run it from the terminal :)
[09:36] <RawSewage> is there one for KDE
[09:36] <DjDarkman> but I need it for kde
[09:37] <Jucato> it gconf-editor installed when you install XGL/COmpiz?
[09:37] <Jucato> also, we don't have an Applications menu....
[09:37] <RawSewage> I always used gconf-editor for Compiz
[09:37] <RawSewage> in Kubuntu
[09:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: did you have both GNOME and KDE installed on the same machine?
[09:37] <RawSewage> yes
[09:37] <DanaG> Has ANYONE managed to get visualizations working in Amarok?
[09:37] <RawSewage> I think so
[09:37] <DanaG> I can't.
[09:37] <Jucato> that explains it then
[09:37] <Jucato> there's no gconf-editor in Kubuntu
[09:37] <DjDarkman> I have both two but I need it for kde
[09:37] <RawSewage> maybe there is after installing Compiz
[09:38] <juhakki> why amarok stop songs, and then skip the next song..is it something wrong with xine, coz there are errors in amarok "Xine audio...is busy"
[09:38] <RawSewage> DjDarkman, um why
[09:38] <DjDarkman> RawSewage: because I use kde
[09:38] <Jucato> juhakki: what are songs are you trying to play?
[09:38] <RawSewage> I dont think there is one for kde
[09:38] <juhakki> mp3
[09:38] <Jucato> !mp3 > juhakki
[09:39] <DanaG> !libvisual
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libvisual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <Jucato> DjDarkman: you might want to visit www.ubuntuforums.org and search for an answer there...
[09:39] <DanaG> !visualizations
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visualizations - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <DanaG> argh.
[09:39] <DjDarkman> and does compiz has anything to do with kde`s trancelucency effect?
[09:39] <juhakki> i would like to use ogg, but i can't listen those with dvd-player and in car :S
[09:39] <RawSewage> just hold ALT+Mouse Wheel
[09:39] <RawSewage> roll the wheel
[09:40] <Jucato> juhakki: I sent you a PM
[09:40] <Jucato> !mp3
[09:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:40] <Jucato> juhakki: you need to install libxine-extracodecs in order to play mp3's
[09:40] <DanaG> I've installed libvisual and libvisual-plugins and xmms, but they don't work for Amarok.
[09:40] <DanaG> In SuSE, there was an amarok-xmms package that made it work.
[09:40] <Jucato> to be able to install libxine-extracodecs, you need to enable "multiverse"
[09:41] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:41] <Nrik> how to configure OSS?
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> hello, what do I need to be able to play AVI files in kaffeine
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> ?
[09:41] <RawSewage> libxine-extracodecs
[09:41] <RawSewage> same as mp3
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> I think I already have them
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> but avi isn't working
[09:42] <DanaG> If nobody has an answer, I'm going to bed.
[09:42] <rrbiz> lol
[09:42] <Jucato> DanaG: sorry, I'm not familiar with it
[09:42] <rrbiz> just checked in, let me see if I know
[09:42] <DanaG> Maybe there's a #amarok
[09:43] <RawSewage> TheFuzzball, maybe install VLC
[09:43] <Jucato> there is
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> k
[09:43] <DanaG> I'll deal with it tomorrow,  I think.
[09:43] <redondo81> Hi, do you know a program similar to Roboform for Win for Linux?Thanks
[09:43] <DanaG> I'm just curious if someone has it working.
[09:43] <DanaG> s/someone/anyone/
[09:44] <DanaG> (daaang, that vim command IS handy.)
[09:44] <RawSewage> I could never figure out console-based text editors
[09:44] <RawSewage> they make no sense
[09:44] <DanaG> I still use nano.
[09:44] <Jucato> nano for me...
[09:44] <enzo_> !pastebin
[09:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:44] <RawSewage> why would I use a console based text-editor when I can use  a GUI one that lets my click the mouse anywhere on the page
[09:44] <TheFuzzball> nano is easy, and there's nothing wrong with that :p
[09:45] <DanaG> Well, if X has died, you have to fix it.
[09:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: in the event that you have no X :-D
[09:45] <RawSewage> oh
[09:45] <TheFuzzball> yea, while were on the subject of X, how do you fix the problem of it not starting when you boot?
[09:45] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:45] <RawSewage> that should be fixed
[09:45] <Jucato> If you can't start X server after doing a very recent update of xserver-xorg-core, you need to downgrade that package to the last working version. Once you've reached the Kubuntu logo with a static progress bar on a black background, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login in. Then use this command to downgrade: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[09:46] <Jucato> it should have been fixed by now
[09:46] <Jucato> hmm... let me update that info...
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> yea, I did do an update of xserver-xorg-core
[09:47] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: when?
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> when I upgraded to KDE 3.5.4 about 2 days ago
[09:47] <juhakki> is there in kubuntu some kind of hardware profile..and i had tried to find it in system settings, but didn't success to find it..
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> there are 7 updates available, maybe that will fox it
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> fix*
[09:47] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: it should be fixed now.
[09:48] <TheFuzzball> am updating now
[09:48] <Jucato> juhakki: try KInfoCenter (K Menu > System)
[09:48] <Jucato> For those upgrading to the new xserver-xorg-core, make sure that the version you will be upgrading to is 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (take note of the last number). The fixed package should now be available on all servers/mirrors
[09:48] <juhakki> the point is that there is a memory card reader which is not connected now, that i could check what reader that is, and then would check if there's any drivers fot r it
[09:48] <TheFuzzball> ohh, has Amarok 1.4.2 come in fox kubuntu yet?
[09:48] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: it won't, unfortunately
[09:49] <TheFuzzball> why??
[09:50] <Jucato> dunno?
[09:50] <Jucato> no one has time to package it for Dapper? I'm not sure
[09:50] <TheFuzzball> that is bloody annoying, I was waiting for that
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> although it does need a newer version of libtunepimp
[09:51] <Jucato> well, it's not always easy to provide bleeding edge packages. they have to make sure it doesn't hose down the system
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> I suppose
[09:52] <TheFuzzball> I'll just build it for source
[09:52] <Jucato> yep
[09:52] <TheFuzzball> although last time I had a problem with that
[09:53] <TheFuzzball> there was a problem with libtunepimp
[09:55] <Jucato> RawSewage: it worked except for QtCurve and the icons, which I don't have installed
[09:56] <Jucato> RawSewage: so it sort of confirms my observation
[09:56] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont have  those either.  I didnt know there was more to it
[09:56] <RawSewage> oh, yeah,  I remember
[09:56] <RawSewage> on his website he mentions that
[09:56] <RawSewage> I didnt do any of that
[09:56] <Jucato> err.. I think I mentioned that earlier...
[10:07] <root_> hi all.. i need help. my pc will only start up X in recovery mode
[10:07] <root_> i tryed upgrading | degrading the xserver-xorg-core but it didnt help
[10:09] <alex_> could anyone give me a hand with resizing an ext3 partition?
[10:10] <root_> Your X broken, the fix is to update again. (make sure dapper-updates repo. is enabled ??
[10:10] <root_> how does that add look like?
[10:11] <fyyrest0rm> can someone explain to me what i need to do to format a secondary hdd? Its mounted, i ran qtparted but it's not seeing it.
[10:11] <root_> deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted ?
[10:11] <ironfroggy> is there any authoring software in the repo?
[10:15] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: please umount it
[10:15] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: then format it (ext3 example) mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX , where the X is your umount partition you want to format
[10:16] <fritsch> fyyrest0rm: after that you can try mounting: sudo mount /dev/hdX /media/hdX (if the direcotry exists)
[10:16] <root_> help please
[10:16] <fritsch> root_: what is the problem?
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: could not see it
[10:17] <root_> X crashes ... i can only log into X when im in recoverymode.. else it just freezes
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: ah okay, saw it
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: make sure the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list is uncommented:
[10:17] <fritsch> root_: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: after that: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: done
[10:18] <root_> it is.. and i have done thouse 2 commands..
[10:18] <fritsch> root_: what says: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-core
[10:18] <root_> i can do them again,, if there has been any updates the last 8 housers.
[10:19] <fritsch> root_: please give me the output from the above command
[10:19] <root_> i have degraded the xserver to  1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[10:19] <root_> cos someone told me it would fix things,
[10:19] <PC> hi ya all
[10:20] <root_> but it didnt fix anything
[10:20] <waylandbill> I feel like I'm the only one who didn't get caught by that xserver "upgrade" .. seems like everyone's having that problem
[10:20] <root_> dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-core
[10:20] <root_> ii  xserver-xorg-core                      1.0.2-0ubuntu10                         X.Org X server -- core server
[10:20] <PC> du u know why amorak wont play on a default 6.06 instalation?
[10:20] <fritsch> root_: this version should work fine
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: dog: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: no X again?
[10:21] <Jucato> PC, you need libxine-extracodecs
[10:21] <Jucato> !mp3
[10:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:21] <Jucato> and to install that, you need to enable multiverse
[10:21] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:21] <PC> there comes sound thru notifications, thou?
[10:21] <fritsch> root_: working?
[10:21] <root_> fritsch,  i have none loginmanager.
[10:22] <root_> i use startx
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: okay try this, please
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: not working, i think?
[10:22] <Jucato> PC: install libxine-extracodecs. but you have to enable "multiverse"
[10:22] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:22] <root_> fritsch, no i need to reboot,,  but i havent changed any thing now,, so i guess it wount work cos it didnt 15 min ago
[10:22] <fritsch> root_: could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:22] <fyyrest0rm> <-- blondenoob moment..guess qtparted and cfdisk like to be run as superuser lol
[10:22] <waylandbill> PC, you're trying to play an mp3 or something?
[10:23] <fritsch> root_: okay try this, try to fetch xserver-xorg updates version 10.4
[10:23] <fritsch> root_: and report you log file, if possible
[10:23] <root_> fritsch, your not getting it.. my pc freezes when i try to start it up normaly,, i mean it freezes when i run startx or kdm or what ever that uses X
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: okay! this is a very other problem
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: nothing to do with the xserver-xorg-core
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: did you install new display drivers or change something in your config?
[10:24] <PC> wayla yes thats problem
[10:24] <root_> fritsch, no.
[10:24] <fritsch> root_: "it just stopped working (TM)"
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: that`s odd
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, it set to use nv driver in xorg
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: which display driver do you use?
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: okay, you used nvidie before?
[10:25] <root_> and it works now in recovery mode
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, yes
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: try "vesa" instead
[10:25] <fyyrest0rm> to be able to use the drive from both windows and linux I want to format fat32, yeah?
[10:25] <fritsch> root_: it works, cool ... mmh
[10:25] <waylandbill> PC, ok. yes. then you need to look at the restricted formats link that came up.
[10:25] <root_> fritsch, i have used nvidia before
[10:25] <Jucato> PC: have you tried the links that I've mentioned, twice?
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: okay, so it locks up with nvidia only?
[10:26] <waylandbill> PC, as well as the multiverse repository link too.
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, no
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, it looks up nomattre what driver i use
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: from on day to the other ...
[10:26] <waylandbill> PC, you can use "EasyUbuntu" script, but some people find that it doesn't work for them.
[10:26] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:26] <fritsch> root_: you tried the vesa driver?
[10:26] <root_> fritsch, it happend yesterday after a upgrade
[10:27] <root_> fritsch, i cant live with the vesa driver when i have a nvidia card :P
[10:27] <fritsch> root_: but vesa works?
[10:27] <waylandbill> root_, he means to use the vesa to try it out, not use it permanently. :-D
[10:27] <fritsch> waylandbill: thx
[10:28] <fritsch> !pastebin
[10:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:28] <root_> fritsch, ok i'll try vesa.
[10:28] <root_> fritsch, i'll be back
[10:28] <fritsch> root_: Terminator told so, too
[10:29] <mt> how to uninstall the mysql 5.0 i want install the mysql 3.23.xx for some reason.
[10:31] <mt> ....
[10:31] <PC> jucato it takes slow. bussy. work with vira on nokia 9300.need 2 type everyting cant copy.
[10:31] <siko> .
[10:32] <octan> fritsch, ;D it started X with vesa now
[10:32] <fritsch> octan: cool
[10:32] <fritsch> octan: now lets debug
[10:33] <octan> fritsch, so it looks like my nvidia drivers are scrwed
[10:33] <octan> ?
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: change to nivida again and try booting
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: could be, does not have to be ;-) just try again to be sure
[10:33] <Jucato> PC: first, read this page:
[10:33] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:33] <octan> just restart X?
[10:33] <fritsch> octan: you use the ubuntu nvidia driver? or build from theri script?
[10:33] <octan> fritsch, ubunu ones
[10:33] <octan> *ubuntu
[10:34] <fritsch> octan: okay, have a try, if it "still" locks
[10:34] <octan> restarting X
[10:36] <dave> question about grub, menu.lst and kopt. anyone able to help?
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: yes
[10:36] <fritsch> dave you add additional options behind the #kopt line ...
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: after that just do: sudo update-grub
[10:36] <fritsch> dave: so that they get written for every entry
[10:37] <fritsch> dave: don` t uncommend the "#" before kopt, this is important
[10:38] <fritsch> dave: min looks like this: # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro resume2=swap:/dev/hda5
[10:38] <fritsch> octan: working?
[10:38] <octan> hrr. my kernels are upgraded too :P i booted into the wrong kernel :P
[10:38] <fritsch> no new kernel for me?
[10:38] <octan> and now it complains about kernel modules for nvidia
[10:39] <octan> apt-get install nvidia?
[10:40] <octan> fritsch i was using the kernel 2.6.22-386. now it says 2.6.26-386
[10:41] <fritsch> octan: ohh, the other was very, very old
[10:41] <fyyrest0rm> whats the correct line for a newly formatted ext3 drive in fstab?
[10:41] <fyyrest0rm> this is what it currently has: /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[10:41] <octan> fritsch, so how do i get the nvidia kernel modules for this kernel version?
[10:42] <fritsch> octan: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:43] <dave> kopt=root=/dev/hda6 2.6
[10:43] <octan> ops.. i tould you the wrong kernel versions :P forgot to put 15 in the middle
[10:43] <volodya> hello! I can't seem to connect to WPA networks unless I manually run wpa_supplicant.  Can somebody tell how wpa_supplicant is supposed to be run automatically?
[10:43] <dave> fritsch: want to have irqpoll set with this so i don't have to put it in each kernal upgrade/update this is my line i have outside of the magic bit and this is the kernal i'm using
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: dave, yes just do  # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro irqpoll
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: after this: sudo update-grub
[10:44] <volodya> I see /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpa_supplicant, but that does not seem to work (no wpa_supplicant in "ps" output)
[10:44] <fritsch> dave: dont`t change the # before the entry
[10:44] <fritsch> volodya: it just gets started, when there is a wpa connection to use ...
[10:45] <fritsch> volodya: for using wpa connections, i cann suggest you to use: network-manager with knetworkmanager
[10:45] <fritsch> volodya: a rocking combination, if your card is supported well
[10:45] <fritsch> octan: working?
[10:45] <octan> fritsch, thank you man.. ;D it works now
[10:46] <fritsch> octan: no problem, on beer :-)
[10:46] <octan> :)
[10:46] <dave> fitsch: okay i had the kopt outside of the magic bit 'cause of my experience with w2k - every kernal update i'd have to re-enter the lines in menu.lst, thought this'd be simplar thing so had line above the start of magic lines like i do with w2k entry
[10:46] <fritsch> dave: working now#?
[10:47] <volodya> fritsch: installking knetworkmanager now, let's see how it goes.
[10:47] <fritsch> volodya: to get it work, you have to comment out! your wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: after this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: just comment out every line from your wlan device
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: mine looks like this:
[10:48] <fritsch> auto lo
[10:48] <fritsch> iface lo inet loopback
[10:48] <fritsch> volodya: the rest ist done by network-manager
[10:49] <dave> not tried it yet...
[10:49] <fritsch> dave: you already run sudo update-grub?
[10:51] <dave> fritsch: just added the irqpoll to end of #kopt line and now just done the sudo update-grub, came back that it's found all kernal i have AND no errors reported, THANK DUDE :)
[10:52] <fritsch> dave: no probe, one beer :-)
[10:52] <waylandbill> fritsch: you're gonna have all the beer in the world at this rate. ;-)
[10:53] <fritsch> waylandbill: hehe, you got it
[10:53] <dave> two burbons ... as the song goes :)
[10:53] <waylandbill> fritsch: don't be stingy now.
[10:53] <fritsch> dave: in germany we have a song: "There is no beear on hawai ..."
[10:53] <dave> firtsch: two burbons .... as the song goes :)
[10:53] <fritsch> dave: hehe, oki i take a burbon, too ... but don` t know the song
[10:54] <fyyrest0rm> can someone please tell me whats wrong with this line? I get "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" ..... /dev/hdb1 /home/storm/hdb1   ext3defaults,umask=007,noatime 0 0
[10:55] <waylandbill> fritsch: by not being stingy, you'd share. :-)
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: i` ll do
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: kubuntu party and <joke> "GPLed drinking" </joke>
[10:55] <fritsch> waylandbill: because it is free
[10:56] <waylandbill> LOL
[10:56] <waylandbill> a new twist to "free beer"... :-)
[10:57] <dave> fitsch man it's an oldie sung by a yank and in the song he meantions the two burbons and one beer or one beer and two burbons, you'd probably know it if you heard it
[10:58] <volodya> fritsch: knetworkmanager does not seem to work. It stops in "Activation stage: Configuring device" stage when I try to connect
[10:58] <volodya> Any logs I can look at?
[10:58] <waylandbill> dave, actually it's one bourbon, one shot and one beer.
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: /var/log/syslog
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: is it a WPA connection?
[10:58] <fritsch> volodya: what wireless hardware do you have?
[10:58] <volodya> yes, it's WPA
[10:58] <waylandbill> one scotch I meant.
[10:58] <dave> waylandbill: YOU GOT IT!!!! shit i knew i had something missing :)
[10:59] <waylandbill> and it's george thoroughgood
[10:59] <fritsch> volodya: mmmh, the wpa_supplicant in dapper is more or less (not good), as it is network-manager
[10:59] <waylandbill> haven't heard that song in ages. :-D
[10:59] <fritsch> volodya: i backported edgy wpa_supplicant and network-manager
[10:59] <dave> waylandbill: how good are you dude, and me and my wife have it on tape too dam! just found it.
[11:00] <fujiko> x vedere i comandi??
[11:00] <volodya> fritsch: the log say, anoung other: "association took too long (>60s), failing activation
[11:00] <fritsch> volodya: oh yes :-) i know this problem
[11:00] <volodya> fritsch: do you recommend getting newer versions?
[11:00] <fritsch> volodya: what ist your hardware/driver
[11:00] <fujiko> qualcuno mi da una mano x favore?
[11:01] <waylandbill> dave, tape?!? I've not seen one of those in ages either. Had tons of em when I was younger too.
[11:01] <fritsch> volodya: your wirelss card i want to know
[11:01] <waylandbill> heck. I even remember using a tape to store data on a Vic-20... good lord, I'm getting old. LOL!
[11:01] <fujiko> help me pleasee
[11:01] <volodya> fritsch: this is "Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN mini-card" in Dell D620 wth broadcom chip that's known to Linux only by PCI id, which is:
[11:02] <fritsch> you use it with ndiswrapper?
[11:02] <volodya> :4311
[11:02] <volodya> yes, I used ndiswrapper since bcm43xx does not work at all
[11:02] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so we can try something...
[11:03] <volodya> fritsch: note that if I run wpa_supplicant by hand and use "wlanassistant", it can connect
[11:03] <kaning> Hi i just installed kubuntu on my dell inspiron 640m but the display is poor fonts are really blurry, any suggestions
[11:04] <dave> waylandbill: well i'm about 10 years behind with getting onto MP3 hand wagon :) and just (over last 2 years getting mp3 versions of songs i have on tape
[11:04] <fritsch> volodya: yes, this is a very annyoing problem in network-manager
[11:04] <fritsch> volodya: had this issue the last few days, too
[11:05] <fritsch> volodya: http://fritschserver.homelinux.org/~fritsch/wpa/
[11:05] <fritsch> volodya: try these two packages for better luck, if not, i`ll set online the egy network-manager for dapper ported
[11:05] <waylandbill> dave, I'm a little behind on the latest stuff too, but did get an iPod last night, so I'm on my way now.. I guess.
[11:06] <fritsch> volodya: downloaded and installed?
[11:07] <volodya> fritsch: in progress
[11:07] <fritsch> volodya: okay, hopefully they do not have other depends ... as dhcpd or sth. else, but let` s try ..
[11:08] <kaning> hello
[11:08] <kaning> just installed kubuntu and the display is blurry
[11:08] <kaning> any help?
[11:08] <Jucato> !info lyx > Jucato
[11:08] <ubotu> lyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.7-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:09] <Jucato> err... sorry about that
[11:09] <volodya> fritsch: wpagui depends on newer Qt, is that package really needed?
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: no not needed
[11:09] <volodya> wpasupplicant installed without problems
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: which package does it want exactly? the wpagui?
[11:09] <fritsch> volodya: so just try again in network-manager
[11:10] <volodya> wpagui depends on libqt4-core (>= 4.1.2); however:
[11:10] <volodya>   Package libqt4-core is not installed.
[11:10] <fritsch> volodya: okay, ths is included in kde3.5.4 ... you don`t have these installed
[11:11] <fritsch> volodya: sudo apt-get install libqt4-core fixes it ...
[11:11] <dave> waylandbill: tapes and LP's those where the days, remeber taping songs off of LP's to have in the car
[11:11] <fritsch> dave: this was very nice
[11:11] <fritsch> dave: in this time you "estimated" every single song ...
[11:12] <fritsch> dave: today you click on amarok last.fm mixerplugin and just listen ...
[11:13] <waylandbill> dave, I remember someone making a winamp filter to put the "scratches" in your mp3, to make it sound more "right".
[11:13] <Jucato> O_O
[11:13] <fritsch> :-)
[11:13] <fritsch> alternatively you can "work" your surround system with a hammer ..
[11:13] <waylandbill> hehe
[11:13] <dave> fritsch: i'm an old grey haired old fart :) and remeber more of what i souldn't and less of what i should
[11:14] <fritsch> dave: grey haired, how old are you?
[11:14] <dave> waylandbill: think i remember some telling me about it too.
[11:14] <volodya> fritsch: I get the same problem after updating package
[11:14] <fritsch> dave: what is a fart? does not sound nice, though
[11:14] <dave> fritch 43 but wife & kids makes ya grey real fast :)
[11:14] <fritsch> volodya: what error?
[11:15] <fritsch> dave: hehe, nearly as old as me ...
[11:15] <volodya> fritsch: still that one about "association took too long"
[11:15] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so we have to "try" new network-manager version
[11:16] <Jucato> hehehe! the bots went on a break
[11:16] <fritsch> volodya: wait, i` ll search
[11:16] <Jucato> is there a way to make OO.o Writer open multiple documents in the same window rather than opening a new one for each?
[11:17] <dave> fritsch New Zealand/Australian slang for some who you consider is old and slow or is young and slow as in com on you old fart and person is 18 yrs
[11:17] <waylandbill> fritsch: a fart is flatulence, but it's not the same thing when you combine it with "old" .. it's just slang then.
[11:18] <fritsch> ah! okay got it
[11:18] <dave> waylandbill where are you in the world ?
[11:18] <waylandbill> dave, New York
[11:19] <dave> waylandbill: Oh thought you might have been down my way for some reason.
[11:19] <fritsch> volodya: stil there?
[11:20] <octan> how does msn works? is it posseble to set up and msn server on linux? using etc postfix?
[11:20] <waylandbill> dave, nope. small, small town where the only way to put it on the map is to smack a fly on it at that spot.
[11:21] <fritsch> volodya: reload the url
[11:22] <fritsch> volodya: untar the files and install everything, but not the dhcp server inside there
[11:22] <dave> waylandbill: well at least you get your country on the maps, ours is left off altogether sometimes, if you can find Australia look right and you'll see us :)
[11:23] <Asgard> lol
[11:25] <Jucato> but new zealand is soooo beautiful... geographically speaking
[11:25] <dave> waylandbill: i live in chch, lovely garden city in south island, home of the US Antartic support programme for Mcmurdo station  and scott base (NZ's base)
[11:25] <fritsch> Lord of the rings, was very impressive
[11:25] <Asgard> i want to move there
[11:25] <dave> jucato: yup it is and we have been hit hard with snow so from where i live in chch there are @ 4 or 5 ski fields with in 4 hrs drive
[11:26] <Jucato> it's one of my sister's fantasies, to be able to tour New Zealand, after seeing "The Making of the Lord of the Rings" on the DVD's
[11:26] <dave> fritsch: yup
[11:26] <waylandbill> yeah... NZ looks nice in photos.
[11:26] <volodya> fritsch: so I should install everything including dhcp client, but excluding dhcp server, right?
[11:26] <fritsch> volodya: yes
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: should work, just tried it on a dapper system ...
[11:27] <dave> Asgard: well why not do a working hoilday see some of the place suss the locals out then amke up your mind
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: if there are errors: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:27] <fritsch> volodya: after that: sudo dpkg -i * again
[11:28] <Asgard> Yeah i think i will thx
[11:28] <redondo81> Anyone know where I can find this dir (/.kde/share/apps/konsole)?Thanks
[11:28] <volodya> fritsch: should I have install dchp-relay? It ask some questions I don't understand ;-)
[11:28] <fritsch> volodya: no, not needed
[11:28] <waylandbill> redondo81: in your home folder
[11:29] <redondo81> no,there isn't!
[11:29] <redondo81> I have to copy a schema file..
[11:29] <satempler> what do I need to get my laptop keys to work (eg volume and mute etc)
[11:29] <Jucato> redondo81: actually it's ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole
[11:29] <Jucato> you forgot the "~"
[11:29] <redondo81> I try, wait
[11:30] <satempler> any one
[11:30] <waylandbill> redondo81: the . in the .kde makes it not appear in your browser.
[11:30] <redondo81> ok I found it, thanks:)
[11:30] <satempler> i know the work in linux because they work in gnome
[11:30] <Jucato> "~" is a shortcut/alias for "/home/<current_user>/"
[11:30] <dave> redondo81: thought it'd be cp .kde/....../
[11:30] <Jucato> dave and waylandbill, he just forgot the ~
[11:30] <waylandbill> yeah. I see that
[11:30] <Jucato> ^_
[11:31] <Jucato> errr.... ^_^
[11:31] <waylandbill> This page shows photos taken just down the road from me: http://members.aol.com/pbonadonna/lake.html
[11:31] <fritsch> volodya: working?
[11:31] <waylandbill> Don't know the kids in the one photo though.. they aint mine. :-D
[11:32] <dave> jucato: something i've learnt to nite, didn't know about that.
[11:32] <Jucato> dave: that's kool :-D
[11:34] <volodya> fritsch: nope :-(
[11:34] <fritsch> volodya: error messages?
[11:34] <fritsch> volodya: every package installed?
[11:35] <volodya> fritsch: just the same message in log
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: do you "insert the password" in plaintext? or in hex
[11:35] <redondo81> I copied the schema file in the dir and now it says me to open the konsole, but I don't know how?!?
[11:35] <volodya> fritsch: plaintext
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: okay, lets try it in "hex"
[11:35] <fritsch> volodya: wait
[11:35] <Jucato> redondo81: K Menu > System > Konsole
[11:36] <redondo81> but it runs the comand promt
[11:36] <volodya> fritsch: how do I get hex password?
[11:36] <Jucato> redondo81: that's Konsole
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: ill try
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: just wait a short moment
[11:36] <redondo81> the instructions says :
[11:36] <redondo81> 3. Open the konsole and select Settings -> Schema -> Embassy
[11:36] <redondo81> 4. Select Settings -> Save as Default
[11:36] <fritsch> volodya: but the packages are now all installed?
[11:36] <dave> waylandbill: just been to website, lovely country, put single story houses and it could be in central otago ( lakes district)
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: then please install knetworkmanager from my site ... too the new on from edgy
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: Konsole is a terminal/command line program
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: after that, please restart knetworkmanager (close, open again)
[11:37] <volodya> fritsch: yes, all, except for -server and -relay
[11:37] <redondo81> ok ok, I understood
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: there's a menu at that top of the window. Settings is there
[11:37] <redondo81> Sorry, but I'm a newbie
[11:37] <redondo81> ;)
[11:37] <fritsch> volodya: okay, please get the knetworkmanager ...
[11:37] <Jucato> redondo81: it's ok
[11:37] <redondo81> :)
[11:38] <volodya> fritsch: getting...
[11:38] <waylandbill> redondo81: everyone was a noob at some point
[11:39] <Jucato> and still a noob in some aspects
[11:39] <satempler> what do I need to get my laptop keys to work (eg volume and mute etc)
[11:39] <volodya> fritsch: knetworkmanager depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1); however:
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: you haven`t kde-3.5.4 installed?
[11:40] <volodya>  Version of kdelibs4c2a on system is 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: okay, so don`t install it, just do sudo apt-get -f install and install the default one again
[11:40] <fritsch> volodya: okay, you have the "dapper default"
[11:41] <volodya> fritsch: do should I go "apt-get -f install" and then install that .deb again?
[11:41] <fritsch> volodya: no, apt-get -f install
[11:41] <fritsch> volodya: and after that install the default dapper knetworkmanager
[11:43] <fritsch> volodya: done?
[11:43] <fritsch> volodya: please just reboot your laptop ... just to be sure
[11:44] <volodya> fritsch: packages are being downloaded.
[11:44] <waylandbill> satempler: depends on the model. not all are supported
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: okay
[11:44] <volodya> fritsch: just to make sure, how do I get what's "default dapper knetworkmanager"
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: packages?
[11:44] <satempler> waylandbill: works by default in Ubuntu
[11:44] <fritsch> volodya: just do sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:45] <satempler> this is why I know it works
[11:45] <satempler> but when I press the key the hex code doesn't apper
[11:45] <fritsch> volodya: but keep wpa_supplicant and network-manager instlled (the ones you downloaded from me)
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: all done?
[11:46] <satempler> do i need to log out and log back in for keyboard layout to work ?
[11:46] <nagyv> Hello! I had once this same problem, but now I do not want to reboot. I have the System menu on the panel, and it is empty. How can I populate it? Actually at every startup I get a notice that there was a problem with the panel. I thought that it is because of Skype (it seemd to start wrongly), but now I am not sure of this any more.
[11:46] <fritsch> open a terminal
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: and type wpa_passphrase "your wlan id" "plaintextpassword"
[11:46] <fritsch> volodya: this will out put the hex values, perhaps you have better luck with them
[11:47] <dave> satempler: have you tried looking to see if you and bind keys to action via kinfo centre?
[11:47] <volodya> fritsch: ok, given me two mins for reboot
[11:47] <fritsch> volodya: yes
[11:47] <satempler> dave: how do i do that
[11:47] <nagyv> satempler: you have to run xev, and then find the codes and set their functinality with xmodmap. wait a but, I will give you a link
[11:47] <satempler> ok
[11:48] <Jucato> has anyone noticed that amarok and k3b's splash screens no longer appear? even if I enable it in amarok, it still won't show
[11:48] <satempler> intresting now my mute key works
[11:48] <fritsch> volodya: i had the same problem, but the new packages and a new "windows driver from cisco" fixed it for me
[11:49] <fritsch> volodya: you are using the newest inf for your wireless in ndiswrapper
[11:49] <dave> satempler: good to see someone else helped, i was guessing of a way to help :)
[11:49] <volodya> fritsch: the latest one I can get from Dell site
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: okay get it and install it, but first if it is not working now
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: you got the one with wpa_passphrase?
[11:50] <fritsch> volodya: to convert it into hex?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i cant reproduce that with 1.4.2 of amarok.  i think that got fixed
[11:50] <satempler> nagyv: what about kmilo
[11:50] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh.. guess I have to wait then :-D
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: don`t get a splash screen either
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there are dapper debs
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fritsch: did you enable it?  try removing amarokrc
[11:51] <jujimufu> in apt's cache, there is a quake II. Is this the real game, or just a demo?
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: wargh 200 gb of music to reload in ...
[11:51] <Jucato> I'd rather wait though ehehe
[11:51] <dave> another question for you all good folk, using kaffeine and want to see a .mov file, get errors referring to decodes, cannot find anything using gstreamer
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[11:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: sorry, wrong alarm ... it is working
[11:52] <Hobbsee> fritsch: :)
[11:52] <volodya> fritsch: heh, now knetworkmanager does not even show any wireless networks to connect too. Maybe commenting out wlan0 should be reverted?
[11:52] <nagyv> satempler: this is a work in progress, look for the special keys part: http://www.rajk.uni-corvinus.hu/~nagyv/tmp/thePerfectDesktop-howtoforge.html
[11:52] <fritsch> volodya: just wait a little bit
[11:53] <fritsch> volodya: your ndiswrapper modul is loaded?
[11:53] <fritsch> volodya: what gives: iwlist wlan0 scan?
[11:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: thanks. I'll look into it. I read that blog entry this morning (here) and thought it only had .deb for Edgy
[11:54] <volodya> fritsch: ndiswrapper module is gone somehow, although it was auto-loaded this morning, let me modprobe it
[11:54] <fritsch> volodya: oki
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: edgy got done first
[11:54] <Jucato> heheh naturally
[11:54] <Jucato> oooh another GPG key to add! ^_^
[11:55] <gerardo> ciao a tutti
[11:55] <Jucato> Riddel's was getting lonely by itself :-D
[11:55] <fritsch> Does for anyone "weekalarm" the amarok script work?
[11:55] <gerardo> bye
[11:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm presuming it's safe to try and upgrade?
[11:55] <fritsch> I think there is perhaps a python version conflict, i don`t get alarmed for getting up
[11:55] <fritsch> Jucato: imbrandon said yesterday: solid release noe show stoppers
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've not tested it myself, it seems so though
[11:56] <fritsch> Jucato: i use them ssince 3 hours, no crash, just playing
[11:56] <fritsch> Jucato: playlist updating etc. works correctly, too
[11:56] <fritsch> volodya: modprobed?
[11:56] <Jucato> kool
[11:56] <Jucato> trying it out now
[11:56] <dave> how do you watch a mov file with kaffeine, getting errors referring to decodes, search adept and found nothing, using gstrreamer too
[11:57] <dave> opeNZ: gidday fellow kiwi :)
[11:57] <Jucato> dave: have you installed the w32codecs?
[11:58] <dave> jucato: well i did look for those via adept, thought they might've been in a deb file but haven't seen them
[11:58] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[11:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:58] <Jucato> dave: it's not in the repositories, for legal reasons
[11:59] <Jucato> dave: see the RestrictedFormats link and scroll down to the part that mentions w32codecs
[12:00] <dave> ubotu and jucato thanks for the pointers, I just didn't know where to find 'em
[12:00] <ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.1-2 (dapper), package size 23 kB, installed size 124 kB
[12:00] <fritsch> volodya: mmh?
[12:00] <Jucato> lol ubotu....
[12:00] <Jucato> dave: ubotu's a bot, btw...
[12:00] <OpeNZ> gday dave :)
[12:01] <fritsch> :-)
[12:01] <Jucato> lol
[12:01] <Jucato>   ubotu doesn't, though
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn't, though - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <unix_infidel> "*g*"  ??
[12:02] <dave> jucato: well i didn't know shows you how mucxh time i don't come here, oppps wife coming to bed time for the light to go off.....
[12:02] <Jucato> lol
[12:02] <Jucato> bye dave ehehe
[12:02] <fritsch> volodya: have to go now ... if this does not work, try the latest "inf" for the ndiswrapper
[12:02] <fritsch> volodya: and if nothing works, just uninstall the network-manager stuff
[12:03] <waylandbill> later dave
[12:03] <volodya> fritsch: still doesn't work :-( Thanks for help, I'll try digging in that direction
[12:03] <Asgard> ubotu xorg
[12:03] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:03] <fritsch> volodya: you got your card up?
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: finding the wireless, but cannot come it with WPA Personal setting...
[12:04] <volodya> fritsch: yes, the card is up, but it still can't connect
[12:04] <Asgard> i like ubotu
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: here it fixed the new "info" from cisco ... perhaps could be good luck for you
[12:04] <fritsch> volodya: bye! have to go
[12:04] <volodya> fritsch: thanks, and bye!
[12:05] <Asgard> ubotu bzimage
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bzimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <Jucato> ??
[12:05] <jujimufu> wth
[12:05] <jujimufu> !bzimage
[12:05] <fritsch> Asgard: try kernel
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bzimage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <jujimufu> !kernel
[12:05] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:06] <dave> nite nite folks, thanks for your help.
[12:06] <Jucato> bye dave!
[12:06] <Asgard> i no wot it is i just wanted to see if it new i like the bot i want one
[12:06] <fritsch> dave: bye ... far* ... tz ;-)
[12:07] <Jucato> lol
[12:07] <waylandbill> lol.. "if you're convinced you do"
[12:08] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee_
[12:09] <buz> !amarok
[12:09] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[12:10] <Hobbsee> !no amarok is <reply>  amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[12:10] <Hobbsee> !amarok
[12:10] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:10] <Hobbsee> there we go
[12:10] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:10] <Asgard> WOW
[12:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: won't it be put in the Kubuntu website?
[12:10] <waylandbill> :)
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: could you do the same with kopete packages?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: eventually
[12:11] <fritsch> !kopete
[12:11] <ubotu> kopete is Kopete 0.12 testing packages at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[12:11] <Jucato> oh kool! splash skreen
[12:11] <Hobbsee> fritsch: what, build them for dapper?
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: they are very outdated
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: there are 0.12.1 packages in KDE-354 from riddle
[12:11] <Hobbsee> fritsch: true that.  i'm not sure if we have kopete 0.12.2 packages for dapper, do we?
[12:11] <unix_infidel> hey Hobbsee :)
[12:11] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i have .. but not officially build
[12:12] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ah yes, but not 0.12.2
[12:12] <buz> i take it there are no "official" amarok 1.4.2 debs for dapper yet
[12:12] <Hobbsee> right, yeah, well you'd need kde 3.5.4 for them, so...
[12:12] <Hobbsee> buz: there are
[12:12] <Hobbsee> !amarok
[12:12] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[12:12] <Hobbsee> they just need to be copied to kubuntu.org
[12:12] <Jucato> buz: that's as "official" as it will get
[12:12] <buz> damn me
[12:13] <buz> you updated it just after i installed it ;)
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i expect they will get copied
[12:13] <buz> uhm queried for it
[12:13] <Jucato> hm.. It's a first release that won't be coming from Riddel... it's a first!
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: actually, it's not
[12:13] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I just built your edgy kopete for dapper, you remember?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: imbrandon did 1.4.1 packages too, iirc
[12:13] <Hobbsee> fritsch: true that
[12:13] <fritsch> Hobbsee: not just, some time ago
[12:13] <Jucato> oooh
[12:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:13] <Hobbsee> now i remember
[12:14] <fritsch> Hobbsee: apachelogger has made them, but where are theses...?
[12:14] <fritsch> Hobbsee: hase made some, but did never see them official
[12:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I guess when it was signed by Riddel by the time it was posted in Kubuntu.org?
[12:14] <Jucato> (heheh now you're being plagued by questions!)
[12:14] <buz> are these amarok debs safe?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> buz: yes
[12:15] <Jucato> definitely safe
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that, i think...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> buz: they were made by kubuntu developers
[12:15] <buz> i take your word for it ;)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i dont exactly trust apachelogger's stuff.
[12:15] <Jucato> hmm... I wonder... I'm presuming FLAC still won't play?
[12:15] <fritsch> Hobbsee: oki
[12:15] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea
[12:16] <buz> yeah libvisual support
[12:16] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if you find a way to make it work, do tell
[12:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I think the consesus was just to take the source for xine 1.1.2 from edgy and compile it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> i hear backports are being fixed now, actually
[12:17] <buz> has anyone gotten strigi to compile on dapper?
[12:21] <fritsch> Jucato: tried flac just now ... did not work
[12:21] <fritsch> Jucato: no audio channel it tells me
[12:22] <buz> btw speaking of amarok, how do i get lastfm buttons in the gui? i see them when i click on the tray icon
[12:23] <buz> right clicking on the stream works as well
[12:24] <redondo81> anyone knows a program as Roboform(to fill web-form and remember password) for linux?
[12:25] <fritsch> Jucato: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683&page=2
[12:25] <redondo81> ???
[12:26] <redondo81> no one!?!?
[12:26] <Jucato> redondo81: KWalletManager
[12:26] <Jucato> it's installed by default
[12:26] <redondo81> thanks , I search it now
[12:26] <fritsch> Jucato: it works with this patch ...
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ping
[12:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: pong
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: this patch fixes flac
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=16315&action=view
[12:30] <redondo81> I am not able to find KWalletManager...where I can find it??!!
[12:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: just installed packages, where this is incorparated, and working
[12:31] <fritsch> Hobbsee: shall i point imbrandon to them, or are the also relevant for edgy?
[12:31] <redondo81> But it remeber only the password or it fill also other form like Name etc..
[12:31] <knob> hello all
[12:31] <redondo81> ?
[12:32] <knob> i'm having this problem when ever i go to watch an online video from the side it cant find the plugin, when i install the plugin it cant find one, does anyone have any idea how to make these online movies work.. oh yeh i;m using firefox
[12:32] <fritsch> knob: for firefox you havfe to install mozilla-mplayer
[12:33] <fritsch> knob: for konqueror this works out of the box ...
[12:33] <knob> ok thanks, shal, do that now
[12:33] <knob> : )
[12:34] <Hobbsee> fritsch: can you add that to the FLAC bug, and change the packagename to xine-lib please?
[12:34] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i have a look
[12:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i do not have the permissions to change a bugreport?
[12:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i think you mean this one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/52365
[12:36] <Hobbsee> fritsch: you should do
[12:37] <Hobbsee> fritsch: is it working on edgy?
[12:37] <kaning> new kubuntu insallation looks blurry on my screen any help?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> fritsch: oh yeah, i see.
[12:39] <fritsch> Hobbsee: did, as you suggested
[12:39] <redondo81> Can you tell me a form filler for linux?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> fritsch: ah, you did it that way..
[12:40] <fritsch> Hobbsee: sorry, did not to know how to do other ...
[12:40] <Hobbsee> fritsch: it's okay :)
[12:52] <heras> Hi all.
[12:55] <yeager_> hello
[12:57] <acersales> hi i am typing a 'clear' command on the console and gettting the error 'terminal is not a console'
[12:58] <jujimufu> acersales: lol :D
[12:58] <jujimufu> acersales: try cls
[12:58] <acersales> cls :D is for windows rite ?
[12:59] <jujimufu> acersales: lol :D so what? heh :) cls is for basic as well D:
[12:59] <jujimufu> *:D
[01:00] <acersales> but there is no command with this name
[01:00] <waylandbill> b.a.s.i.c.? does anyone still use that?
[01:04] <jujimufu> waylandbill: YEAH1
[01:04] <jujimufu> waylandbill: BASIC pwns a$$ :D
[01:04] <waylandbill> :)
[01:05] <acersales> any idea guyz ?
[01:06] <Jucato[Away] > acersales: this from a default Konsole?
[01:06] <waylandbill> is this a console window, or one of the VT's?
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > he's gone..
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > I'm gone too...
[01:07] <Jucato[Away] > ^_^
[01:15] <Pensacola> I'm looking for a piece of software that can emulate a virtual cd drive
[01:16] <Asgard> Good Luck
[01:16] <Jucato>  @_@
[01:16] <Pensacola> can anyone recommend one?
[01:16] <Asgard> i wish there was one pell
[01:16] <Jucato> I think it's possible to mount ISO's w/o any 3rd party software
[01:16] <Pensacola> I'm looking to mount ccd images :)
[01:16] <xanic_> what?
[01:16] <Pensacola> http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ looks promising
[01:16] <Jucato> oh, now that's harder...
[01:17] <xanic_> need help
[01:17] <waylandbill> mount the iso as a loop device
[01:17] <waylandbill> oh... ccd. :-D
[01:17] <Jucato> just in case you're interested with mounting ISO: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountIso
[01:17] <Pensacola> thx, that can always come in handy
[01:18] <fyyrest0rm> anyone feeling generous? I need a little help with timezones. I've tried and tried and no matter what zone I try I can't get the time right lol
[01:18] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: what do you mean? you're supposed to use your own timezone...
[01:19] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: yes i understand that..I'm in Central time zone..but when I use America/US  Central  the time is still off
[01:19] <fyyrest0rm> by an hour
[01:19] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: err.. aren't you supposed to be on DST?
[01:21] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: umm..yeah I suppose I would be lol
[01:21] <fyyrest0rm> jucato: this is why I should never try to do stuff on zero sleep :)
[01:21] <Jucato> fyyrest0rm: ehehe!
[01:21] <Jucato> I just don't know how to set it to adjust according to DST
[01:22] <Jucato> I never had the need to... ^_^
[01:23] <waylandbill> Pensacola: this may be of use: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ccd2iso
[01:23] <Pensacola> I was just looking at that one
[01:23] <Pensacola> trying to install it at the moment :)
[01:23] <waylandbill> :-D
[01:24] <Jucato> waylandbill is a mind-reader...
[01:24] <Jucato> or... he's hacking into Pensacola's box, knowing what he's looking at...
[01:24] <Jucato> ^_^
[01:24] <Pensacola> :)
[01:25] <Pensacola> can't install that one either :s
[01:25] <waylandbill> fyyrest0rm: you aren't picking indiana or something that ignores DST are ya? ;-D
[01:25] <Jucato> there are states that ignore DST?
[01:25] <waylandbill> yup
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > wow...
[01:25] <waylandbill> arizona does too I think
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > talk about confusion
[01:25] <Asgard> does any1 know who is playing the new indiana jones?
[01:25] <waylandbill> or parts of it anyway
[01:25] <Jucato[Away] > anyway... gotta go
[01:27] <Asgard> does any1 know who is playing the new indiana jones?
[01:27] <Asgard> if you dont its fine :'-(
[01:28] <waylandbill> imdb says Harrison Ford is
[01:28] <Asgard> no no they are making a new 1
[01:28] <waylandbill> he swings from vines with his walker this time I imagine. :-D
[01:28] <Asgard> lol
[01:29] <Asgard> ill google it
[01:29] <waylandbill> Indiana Jones 4 (2008) Status:	Pre-production Status Updated:	8 March 2006
[01:29] <waylandbill> that one ?
[01:29] <Asgard> yup
[01:30] <waylandbill> then it's the same one. We'll see how the "Ravages of Time" have treated HF. :-D
[01:31] <pielgrzym> hi :)
[01:31] <Asgard> so Harrison is gona use his walking stick :-(
[01:32] <pielgrzym> anybody uses thunderbird?
[01:32] <pielgrzym> :)
[01:32] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: yup
[01:32] <pielgrzym> I need to know what command line parameter makes thunderbird open a compose e-mail window automatically adding a provided attachemnt :)
[01:33] <trym|work> how can I define that xscreensaver is only to run on one screen.. and the others should just be black?
[01:34] <Asgard> trym|work y would you wona do that
[01:35] <trym|work> because the gl screensavers lag like hell when it tries to do opengl on all monitors
[01:35] <trym|work> and btw.. I think it might be kscreensaver.. not xscreensaver
[01:35] <fyyrest0rm> waylandbill: nope, I was choosing straight CST..didn't take into accound daylight savings lol
[01:36] <fyyrest0rm> CST6CDT did the trick
[01:37] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: couldn't you use sendmail to do that?
[01:37] <waylandbill> fyyrest0rm: there ya go!
[01:38] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I have an amarok script which sends music via e-mail, but id does it with ''kmail --attachment'' command. Sendmail is a similar command?
[01:41] <waylandbill> pielgrzym: sendmail is a CLI utility.
[01:43] <waylandbill> it (and I'm sure others) is used as a backend for sending mail from a script unattended. For like a webserver or a cron job.
[01:46] <_lupine> !Module.symvers > _lupine
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Module.symvers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I'll check it out :)
[01:47] <lupine_85> anyone know how to generate the Module.symvers file in linux-headers ?
[01:47] <lupine_85> (linux-headers-2.6.15-26)
[01:48] <Pensacola> thx for the help guys, I got ccd2iso up and running :)
[01:51] <pielgrzym> waylandbill: I haven't got sendmail - there must be a way to trigger a default e-mail client through cl
[01:51] <jujimufu> how can I install gnome on kubuntu?
[01:51] <jujimufu> !gnmoe
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnmoe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:51] <jujimufu> !gnome
[01:51] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[01:52] <jujimufu> !gnome-desktop
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <jujimufu> meh
[01:52] <lupine_85> !linux-headers > lupine_85
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-headers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <lupine_85> !linux-headers-2.6.15-26 > lupine_85
[01:55] <gnomefreak> !headers
[01:55] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[01:59] <HymnToLife> hi guys !
[01:59] <HymnToLife> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242838
[02:01] <shentey> hello! i've got problems with kde sessions
[02:01] <shentey> i can log into a kde session but get thrown out immediately
[02:01] <shentey> can anybody help?
[02:02] <HymnToLife> error message ?
[02:03] <shentey> i've got a log of startkde telling me: kicker: Fatal IO error: client killed
[02:03] <shentey> and ***kdesktop got signal 1 (Exiting)
[02:04] <shentey> something is tellig me that a library could not be loaded
[02:04] <HymnToLife> just try reinstalling kde, maybe you uninstalled a lib by mistake
[02:05] <shentey> well, when i startx on the console, it kicks me out telling me that some reference count is wrong
[02:05] <shentey> so i think it is caused by X
[02:06] <waylandbill> could be what startx is calling
[02:07] <shentey> what about: xset:  bad font path element (#76), possible causes are:
[02:08] <shentey> i was able to log in some hours ago and i didn't change my system
[02:10] <HymnToLife> lol
[02:10] <HymnToLife> I also have a problem that appeared out of nowhere
[02:14] <shentey> good hint ;-)
[02:19] <Jazon_office> hi guys
[02:19] <Jazon_office> whats the dif between desktop and alternate ?  also, jsut to verify, kubuntu6.x is dapper ?
[02:20] <lupine_85> kubuntu6.06[.1]  is dapper, yes
[02:20] <lupine_85> alternate cd doesn't have  a GUI environment. So not as pretty, but less likely to die on you
[02:20] <lupine_85> good old ncurses ;)
[02:21] <vishayy> and if I dont want to install the loader I have to download the alternate, right?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> you'll have to install GRUB anyway
[02:22] <lupine_85> vishayy: the alt-CD gives you the option
[02:22] <HymnToLife> (except if you already have another *nix like system of course)
[02:22] <lupine_85> so if you don't want to install the bootloader (e.g. you want to use a boot floppy, or syslinux, or something) then that's the way to go
[02:23] <lupine_85> HymnToLife: you can boot linux from the NTLDR (with some modifications to it) IIRC
[02:23] <lupine_85> don't need another *nix, at any rate
[02:24] <Jazon_office> whats the best way to 'add' kubuntu to my laptop... I currently am running Kanotix on it, but would like to have both on, and able to share my data between the two
[02:25] <baldi> hello
[02:25] <HymnToLife> lupine_85, really ? I thought you could only chainload to GRUB
[02:25] <lupine_85> by default :)
[02:26] <lupine_85> but even so, some people prefer (E)lilo... or syslinux... or any one of a number of different bootloaders
[02:26] <vishayy> theres no lilo in kubuntu?
[02:26] <sleeptyper> grub
[02:27] <lupine_85> there's lilo and elilo, but not installed by default
[02:27] <lupine_85> ubuntu prefers grub
[02:29] <vishayy> I want the gui and the option to put the loader in root partition, so I have to download the alternate but it doesnt have GUI.
[02:29] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: do manual partitioning, put kubuntu in free space and put both os's in the bootloader
[02:29] <HymnToLife> if you know what the bootloader is in the first place
[02:29] <HymnToLife> I don't think you need a gui :p
[02:29] <HymnToLife> the GUI is hell
[02:29] <waylandbill> vishayy: it's a gui on the alt-CD... just an ncurses based one.
[02:30] <n8k99> is there a gui for yaboot?
[02:30] <lupine_85> argh, is gb.archive.ubuntu.com going really slowly for anyone else?
[02:31] <waylandbill> us.archive.ubuntu.com goes dreadfully slow once in a wihle.
[02:31] <HymnToLife> < 100 ms ping for gb here
[02:31] <lupine_85> oh, it pings alright... just haves for ages on Ign or Get
[02:32] <lupine_85> ah, it's finished now
[02:32] <lupine_85> and as for ubuntuforums.com... someone get that guy a new server! ;)
[02:33] <HymnToLife> agreed
[02:33] <vishayy> is this bootloader-alternate-cd things is also in ubuntu?
[02:36] <Jazon_office> i have mounted my ipod as /mnt/ipod  and am able to access it now.  I want to copy my /home/user dir to it ... how can i do this from console?
[02:37] <HymnToLife> Jazon_office, cp -R /home/user /mnt/ipod
[02:37] <HymnToLife> will eras everything you have on it though IIRC
[02:39] <Jazon_office> HymnToLife  hope not :P  'cause I'm doin it....
[02:40] <Jazon_office> i tried dapper about a month ago... my laptop ran hot, so i removed it... have these issues been resolved does anyone know?
[02:41] <lupine_85> CPU frequency scaling?
[02:46] <synaptics> hello, are there any program for kubuntu 6.06 to check the temperature of my HDD, CPU Fan..........?
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > synaptics: try KSensors. but you need lm-sensors and hddtemp also installed
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > don't ask me how to use it, though. never got it to work on mine...
[02:47] <synaptics> where can i get it Jucato[Away] 
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > T_T
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > !ksensors
[02:47] <ubotu> ksensors: lm-sensors frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.3-9ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 292 kB, installed size 912 kB
[02:47] <Jucato[Away] > !lm-sensors
[02:47] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.9.2-5ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 463 kB, installed size 1452 kB
[02:48] <Jucato[Away] > !hddtemp
[02:48] <ubotu> hddtemp: Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3-beta14-6 (dapper), package size 45 kB, installed size 244 kB
[02:48] <synaptics> ahhhhhhhhhhhh, any others?
[02:48] <Jucato[Away] > afk again
[03:01] <Jazon_office> if i have kubuntu on hda1, another distro on hda2, and my /home/user dir on hda3.... can i use that home dir for both distros?  or will that cause issues?
[03:04] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: make a symbolic link on one to the other
[03:05] <waylandbill> or easier simply put a mount point in both distro's fstab to the /dev/hda3 mounting as /home
[03:09] <synaptics> how do i know if Java2TM Runtime Environment is installed?
[03:10] <synaptics> how do i know if Java2TM Runtime Environment is installed? and how do i open a .jar file?
[03:11] <waylandbill> synaptics: if you have aptitude you can do: aptitude search java | grep ^i
[03:12] <synaptics> how do i install java?
[03:13] <waylandbill> !java
[03:13] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:14] <waylandbill> I installed java through the easy ubuntu script myself.
[03:18] <sganesh> Hello
[03:18] <sganesh> I am a newbie to Kubuntu
[03:19] <sganesh> i have a prob in which my D-Link  card DWL-G630 does not connect to the wireless network by default
[03:19] <sganesh> can anybody help me in this regard
[03:21] <Kr4t05> !wifi > sganesh
[03:22] <kevjava> sganesh: Mine doesn't either.  I have a WPA-protected network, and an unencrypted one, and network manager always connects to the free one by default
[03:28] <sganesh> kevjava: if you get ne solution do let me know
[03:28] <g-henna> hi everyone#
[03:28] <g-henna> i want to use eclipse on kubuntu, but using on sun java, not on gcj; so what do i have to do to get rid of all the gcj-stuff that comes with it?
[03:29] <kevjava> sganesh: As far as I know, it's a feature :) that just hasn't been implemented yet.
[03:30] <kevjava> g-henna:  I had to apt-get remove the gcj to get it out of the way, then download and install eclipse manually.
[03:30] <kevjava> There's probably a better way, though.
[03:30] <g-henna> kevjava: so you mean not through apt-get, but just get the tar.gz?
[03:30] <kevjava> Definitely install the sun-java5-jre package before installing eclipse, though.
[03:31] <kevjava> Yeah.  The apt repositories seem to have gcj and normal java versions of all the eclipse stuff, though.
[03:32] <g-henna> kevjava: ok. and without the gnome-libraries?
[03:32] <deb> kevjava: U can choose which java to use .. Use the command to sudo update-alternatives --config java to select which java u wan to use .
[03:32] <kevjava> (e.g. there's eclipse-platform and eclipse-platform-gcj).
[03:33] <kevjava> deb: Thanks, that's a cool tip, I was certain there had to be an easier way to muck with those links.
[03:33] <g-henna> There is only 1 program which provides java. (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[03:33] <deb> kevjava: any time :)
[03:34] <g-henna> and why do i need gnome libraries to get eclipse?
[03:34] <kevjava> g-henna:  The Java/SWT libraries use GTK to display native widgets.
[03:34] <HymnToLife> hey folks
[03:34] <g-henna> and gconf? i mean...
[03:34] <HymnToLife> still no one to help me out with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=242838 ?
[03:35] <g-henna> i don't have gnome libs on windows or mac os, then why do i need gnome-keyring to use eclipse?
[03:36] <g-henna> can i build from source and then get around these dependencies with config options?
[03:36] <deb> HymnToLife: do u get any crash message or anothing like that ?
[03:36] <HymnToLife> nothing at all
[03:36] <HymnToLife> the panel jjjust disapears and that's it
[03:36] <HymnToLife> just*
[03:37] <kevjava> g-henna: If you download the huge ~98MB tar file, it should work fine without all the dependencies.  You probably don't have to build from source.
[03:37] <deb> HymnToLife: I think some applet crashes and that causes the problem .
[03:38] <HymnToLife> hmmm could be
[03:38] <g-henna> on the eclipse-website, i can also select x86/motif; would that be better? :-)
[03:38] <HymnToLife> I remember I got a Kopete crash message not long before
[03:38] <HymnToLife> but Kopete works fine, I'll try disabling the tray icon for it
[03:39] <HymnToLife> ok, I'll restart X and see, brb :)
[03:39] <deb> HymnToLife: reinstall kicker and check ?
[03:41] <KDEfanboy> !packages
[03:41] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:41] <kevjava> g-henna: xmotif is a new set of dependencies, not to mention ugly :).
[03:42] <TheFuzzball> what does Amarok 1.4.2 need to run?
[03:42] <TheFuzzball> software wise
[03:42] <HymnToLife> deb, Kopete wasn't the problem
[03:42] <HymnToLife> is there any logfile I could check
[03:43] <g-henna> kevjava: hm, whether we find someone to write sth. like libswt-qt :-)
[03:43] <kevjava> TheFuzzball: apt-cache show amarok => Depends: amarok-xine | amarok-engine, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libgl1-mesa | libgl1, libice6, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.19-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpq4, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtag1c2a (>= 1.4), libtunepimp2c2a (>= 0.3.0), libx11-6, libxext6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[03:44] <deb> HymnToLife: May be but I don't know where . Try reinstalling kicker .
[03:44] <kevjava> g-henna: That would certainly be nice.
[03:45] <ashridah> where exactly does one get kde 3.5.4 for dapper? the FAQ link goes to a general ubuntu faq that's nearly useless
[03:45] <TheFuzzball> how come some AVI files work in kubuntu and others don't?
[03:45] <lupine_85> different codecs?
[03:46] <HymnToLife> TheFuzzball, depends on the codec thas was used for encoding
[03:47] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, well I donwloaded a file that used the div3 codec and it worked, and that was avi, but all of the other AVIs that I have don't even show what codec they use
[03:47] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, they don't play either :)
[03:47] <fritsch> !w32codecs > TheFuzzball
[03:48] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I already have the w32codecs
[03:48] <HymnToLife> TheFuzzball, do you have a Windows box at hand ?
[03:48] <HymnToLife> if o, use GSpot to identify the codec
[03:48] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, yes
[03:49] <TheFuzzball> HymnToLife, to my shame
[03:49] <sberla> ciao gente
[03:49] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try mplayer to play these files
[03:50] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I have tried mplayer, totem, xine, kaffeine, VLC
[03:50] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, and a lot more
[03:50] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: mplayer show what codec they use
[03:50] <manu__> try mplayer from console
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: yes what manu__ suggests
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: you installed the w32codecs correctly? the ".deb" package?
[03:51] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I did it with sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:51] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this does not work
[03:51] <fritsch> !w32codecs
[03:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:52] <HymnToLife> hmm funny
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: w32codecs is in no ubuntu source
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> I used another resp
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: or did you add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <lupine_85> plf
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, yea
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: please install the version, they suggest in this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: and restry
[03:52] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ta
[03:54] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I have already done that too
[03:54] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: do you have Amd64?
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: can` t imagine why this sould not work ...
[03:55] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, i386 like most people I am afraid
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: perhaps another one knows the solution
[03:55] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: me, too :-) also afraid
[03:56] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: btw. try mplayer in console and look if it finds the aporpriat codecs
[03:56] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, k
[03:57] <TheFuzzball> fritsch,  it says Failed to open LIRC support?
[03:58] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this is normal
[03:58] <Jazon_office> what does cannot enable RNG mean?
[03:58] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it also said You will not be able to use your remote control.
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> Playing monsterhouse-cd1.avi.
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this is about lirc support
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: now it is player, but you don`t have a picture?
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: only hearing sound?
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, neither
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what?
[03:59] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: just stopped?
[03:59] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, neither
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> freeflying, no, it said it was playing, but I didn't see a picture or hear any sound
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> so I stopped it after a while with ctrl c
[04:00] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: did it say somtheing about the codec
[04:00] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try mplayer -vo x11 -ao alsa "video.avi"
[04:00] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, no
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ok
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it says 91 audio & 204 video codecs
[04:01] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, it says at the top
[04:02] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives: dpkg -l |grep mplayer
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, rc  kmplayer-base                          0.9.1.99+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1              Base files for KMPlayer
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> ii  mplayer                                0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8    The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[04:05] <TheFuzzball> ii  mplayer-skins                          2-6                                      Skins for the Ubuntu mplayer Package
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball:
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: don`t paste, only if its one line
[04:05] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives: dpkg -l |grep w32codecs
[04:05] <sharkk> hi
[04:06] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, rc  kmplayer-base                          0.9.1.99+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1
[04:06] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ii  mplayer                                0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8
[04:06] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: does not matter ... mplayer is not kmplayer
[04:06] <Jazon_office> hey, how big should the partition be for linux if i am using a separate partition for my home dir ???
[04:06] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: dpkg -l |grep w32codecs
[04:06] <fritsch> this one ...
[04:07] <sharkk> im installing kubuntu on a pc where there is windows, windows use to set the hardware time to the localtime, it is possible to tell at kubuntu to see the hardware time as the local time and not as the utc?
[04:07] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, ii  w32codecs                              20060611-1plf1
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: aha! this version is not my version
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: the rest is the same
[04:07] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: please use the version from the restrictedFormats page and retry
[04:07] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I did
[04:08] <TheFuzzball> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#w32codecs
[04:08] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, which version is yours?
[04:08] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: aha, so i try your version shortly ... just wait
[04:09] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, k
[04:09] <Jazon_office> TheFuzzball: is 4 gig big enough is home dir is on another partition?
[04:10] <TheFuzzball> Jazon_office, I think you have the wrong person, and also you don't make sence
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> sharkk,  yea. theres a file in /etc/ that sets the timezone. I belive theres a wiki page that details this. I always got screwed up times as well
[04:11] <grothesk> Jazon_office: Depends. But I'd prefer at least 6GB.
[04:11] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: this version currently on the wiki is older at least ... but wait, me tries
[04:12] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: no, this ws not the problem ... it is working
[04:12] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, is it libdvdcss2?
[04:12] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: no, i dont think you avis need libdvdcss2
[04:13] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: dpkg -i --force-all "w32codecs ...."
[04:16] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, still not working
[04:16] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: sorry, really no idea ...
[04:17] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: have tried different file?
[04:17] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, what do you mean?
[04:17] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: your avi broken?
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: mplayer normally plays everything, even half finished torrent movies ...
[04:18] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I don't think so, I played an AVI file on windows and copied it to linux (samba) and it woulden't play
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: ls -larth filename.avi
[04:18] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: what gives this?
[04:19] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, but this SUperman AVI is working
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: so, you see ...
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: ls -larth "yourmovie.avi"
[04:19] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: something went wrong while copieing 100% sure ...
[04:19] <TheFuzzball> fritsch,  -rw-r--r-- 1 luke luke 388M 2006-08-22 08:44 monsterhouse-cd1.avi
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: try other movies first ...
[04:20] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, nothing can go wrong with samba, there was no stalling or anything
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: if this is the only one ... something is very wrong
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: all? other movies are running?
[04:20] <fritsch> TheFuzzball: "nothing can go wrong with samba" (TM)
[04:20] <TheFuzzball> I only have 4 3 don't work and 1 does
[04:22] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, brb, trying something
[04:23] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, back...
[04:23] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, I will copy the one that I have a problem with to a windows box and see if it plays
[04:24] <sharkk> if i want got root access whatis the passwd?
[04:25] <sharkk> im on kubuntu 6.06
[04:27] <scorpion007> sharkk: root is disabled by default, you need to execute those commands using sudo
[04:27] <sharkk> ok
[04:28] <sharkk> but is normal that this livecd is very slow?
[04:30] <blewis> it depends on your machine.  I found the live cd quite quick
[04:31] <octan> do anyone know jabber?
[04:31] <sharkk> how ram and what cpu?
[04:31] <octan> jabber-msn is it a server? or just a gateway to existing msn accounts? i mean if i run jabber-msn can i have a msn add like octan@my.add.com?
[04:32] <sharkk> i have an intel celeron 1400 MHz and 256 Mb of ram and is quite unusable
[04:34] <scorpion007> sharkk: 256MB may be causing the LiveCD to run more slowly
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> if you put a swap partition on  the hard drive. it would help all the live cd's a great deal. (if they saw/used it)
[04:34] <sharkk> yes i know, but it is too slowly
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu/kubuntu live cd - is not that  amazing. :P
[04:35] <sharkk> :)
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> theres better live cds out.. but they are not ubuntu/kubuntu.
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> depends on what you are doing.
[04:36] <sharkk> i will hope that when the installation finish it will work well
[04:37] <viola> is it possible to block a package in adept from updating?
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: kanotix uses any swap partition it finds (don't know about others)
[04:39] <Jazon_office> Kubuntu shut my laptop OFF while loadig KDE..... ?!?
[04:39] <Jazon_office> on reboot, I get The process for the system protocol died unexpectedly
[04:40] <Jazon_office> (in X)
[04:41] <Jazon_office> but it didnt go to login menu... just straight to kde, like it was in suspend mode or something??
[04:42] <Jazon_office> weird.  now it is working ok...
[04:42] <sj061> join #ubuntu
[04:51] <xst> I'm having a strange problem: I have configured my first kubuntu box to print, through cups, at my second kubuntu box. It used to work flawlessly but suddenly all prints from the remote box is pure garbage. That is, there are some "@PJL SET" lines and nothing else. The host with the physical printer prints just fine and the test page from the printer wizard on the remote host printed a nice page too. But openoffice/acrobat/etc i
[04:51] <xst> s just garbage
[04:51] <xst> Any ideas on how to solve it?
[05:02] <trappist> xst: if you 'print to file' to a .ps file, and say lp file.ps, does it print correctly?
[05:03] <redondo81> Hi , I have a big problem, is disappered the taskbar on kde for an error and I don't know how to reload it
[05:03] <cannonball> redondo81: run 'kicker' from any open terminal
[05:03] <trappist> redondo81: alt-f2 and run 'kicker'
[05:04] <trappist> heya cannonball
[05:04] <redondo81> ok, I try now, thanks
[05:04] <cannonball> trappist: morning dude
[05:04] <trappist> kicker and kwin should probably figure out how to restart themselves when they crash
[05:05] <cannonball> the root kde process should monitor that IMHO.
[05:06] <cannonball> Weird how kicker shows up outside of the root kde process.
[05:07] <xst> trappist: No, also ps-files are messed up (with just a few lines of PJL assignments and nothing more)
[05:08] <trappist> xst: have you checked the cups log on the printserver?
[05:08] <xst> trappist: Nothing special in the logs. :-(   I need to eat. Will be back in a moment
[05:09] <redondo81> I try to lunch the command "kicker" but it says me this error :"The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation"
[05:09] <redondo81> How can I do to restore the taskbar?
[05:10] <trappist> redondo81: sounds bad.  you might need to mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad and log out and back in.  all your kde settings will be lost if you do, though.  if you really hate the results or it doesn't fix it, you can mv it back.
[05:11] <cannonball> redondo81: kicker *IS* the task bar.  Since it won't start, do what trappist says.
[05:11] <redondo81> ok, wait
[05:12] <redondo81> I'm not able to move to ~/.kde ~/.kdebad,How can I o?
[05:13] <redondo81> do
[05:13] <trappist> "mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad" just like that in a console
[05:14] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[05:15] <redondo81> I digit the command and now
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> I have a problem with my digital camera sony cybershot, when I try to use it as mass storage device the linux kernel cant configure it correctly
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> no scsi-emulation is activated
[05:15] <Asgard> hey can any1 tell how to run a specific command wen i log in ?
[05:15] <kubuntu_tester> someone can point me about this?
[05:15] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, Its ok, the files were just corrupt
[05:16] <redondo81> ???
[05:16] <TheFuzzball> fritsch, thanks for your help
[05:16] <kubuntu_tester> I can show some output message, if needed
[05:16] <redondo81> I don't know what to do, I digited the command mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebad but now what?
[05:17] <trappist> redondo81: log out and back in.
[05:17] <redondo81> ok
[05:18] <kubuntu_tester> no one can help me? :-(
[05:18] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: lsmod | grep storage
[05:18] <kubuntu_tester> it is loaded trappist
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> $ lsmod | grep storage
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> usb_storage            74176  1
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> usbcore               130692  5 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> scsi_mod              139496  8 usb_storage,ide_scsi,sbp2,sr_mod,sg,sd_mod,ahci,libata
[05:19] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: can you pastebin the last 15 or so lines of dmesg (dmesg | tail -n15)?
[05:19] <kubuntu_tester> ya
[05:19] <trappist> please don't paste here.
[05:19] <redondo81> nothing
[05:19] <redondo81> I LOG OUT and log in again
[05:19] <redondo81> but the error is still there
[05:19] <trappist> redondo81: have you done something recently that may have damaged your kde installation
[05:20] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: ok, but it isnt a large paste :P
[05:20] <redondo81> I try to install a theme and bsfx for install a theme for the tashbar
[05:20] <redondo81> All was ok, but suddenly this error
[05:20] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: if it's more than one or maybe two lines, please use pastebin
[05:21] <redondo81> :(
[05:21] <redondo81> You think I have to reinstall all the system?
[05:21] <uwo> hi all - my ipod is being recognised as a canera (mime type camera) - it mounts & functions (synch w amarok) fine, but has the camera icon on desktop & panel - where do i change this?
[05:21] <trappist> redondo81: I'm quite sure, since you installed a taskbar theme and your taskbar suddenly stopped working, that the two events are related
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> Aug 24 17:21:39 zeus kernel: [17183294.976000]  usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 27
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> voila'
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> only this message
[05:21] <trappist> redondo81: how did you install the theme
[05:21] <kubuntu_tester> no scsi emulation
[05:22] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: that's everything that dmesg said?
[05:22] <trappist> when you plugged the device in?
[05:22] <redondo81> with KManager
[05:22] <trappist> try sudo modprobe -r usb-storage && sudo modprobe usb-storage
[05:22] <kubuntu_tester> about usb mass storage device yes
[05:22] <trappist> redondo81: try uninstalling the theme
[05:22] <redondo81> ok
[05:23] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: could you just pastebin the last 15 lines of dmesg
[05:23] <kubuntu_tester> yes
[05:23] <kubuntu_tester> wait
[05:23] <uwo> trappist: was the modprobe thing an answer to my q?
[05:23] <redondo81> What is the command to lunch the menager for the installation?
[05:23] <trappist> uwo: no, sorry
[05:24] <uwo> trappist: just making sure :)
[05:24] <trappist> redondo81: try 'kcontrol'
[05:24] <kubuntu_tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21547
[05:24] <redondo81> but if I want to deinstall bfsx how can I do?
[05:25] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: everything there appears to be about the insertion of the device, and there should be more before it.  can you expand it to the last 25 lines?
[05:26] <trappist> redondo81: the same way you installed it?
[05:26] <kubuntu_tester> yes...but precedent message are about usb-key that works
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> $
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> T:  Bus=05 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=06 Cnt=01 Dev#= 27 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> P:  Vendor=054c ProdID=0010 Rev= 6.00
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> S:  Manufacturer=Sony
[05:27] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: oh, perhaps they're interfering with each other.  have you tried without the usb key?
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> S:  Product=Sony DSC
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  2mA
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=ff Prot=01 Driver=(none)
[05:27] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: did I mention don't paste here.
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=4096ms
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> lsub output
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> ya
[05:27] <kubuntu_tester> sorry, mistake
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> kubuntu finds my camera device when I use it in PTP mode
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> but I cant delete pics
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> from digikam
[05:28] <kubuntu_tester> or with gphoto2
[05:29] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: why scsi-emulation doesnt start when I plug my camera?
[05:29] <ssddss> Hi, i had some problems installing XGL+Compiz. Everything was installed fine, but the xorg server crashed the ATI driver, and Compiz doesn't run, altough plugins seems to be loaded
[05:30] <kubuntu_tester> a problem with protocol?
[05:30] <uwo> try again - my ipod is being recognised as a camera - it mounts & functions (synch w amarok) fine, but has the camera icon on desktop & panel - where do i change this?
[05:31] <thanat0s> lu
[05:31] <soulrider> hi
[05:31] <thanat0s> hi ^^
[05:31] <thanat0s> sorry im french xD
[05:31] <soulrider> !fr
[05:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:31] <soulrider> :O
[05:32] <soulrider> theres a french channel :)
[05:32] <thanat0s> thx
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Oh the Humanity! its using the wrong icon! :)
[05:32] <thanat0s> :)
[05:33] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: scsi emulation starts when the usb-storage module gets loaded.  your usb-key uses it too, and possibly it's interfering
[05:35] <kubuntu_tester> trappist: but the camera doesnt work at all, the usb key doesnt interfear
[05:40] <trappist> kubuntu_tester: possibly it doesn't funtion as a normal usb-storage device.  I know some do, but mine doesn't.
[05:56] <slemonnier> test
[05:57] <bruker> anyone in here who are familiar with MoBlock?
[05:58] <bruker> oops, wrong channel...
[05:58] <Jucato>  @_@
[05:59] <Hobbsee> HymnToLife: *glare*
[06:00] <Jucato> lol
[06:00] <Jucato> Glare: A pokemon move that lowers the enemy's defense
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Pokemon is Evil! :P
[06:01] <Jucato> lol
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> Some have compared the primary mechanism of Pokmon to the generally-outlawed practice of cockfighting.
[06:07] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heh. well, at least here, in our semi-backward country, cockfighting isn't illegal ^_^
[06:09] <Jazon_office> hrmmmm  i have two distros on my laptop.  how do i teach grub that they are both there?
[06:10] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: you'll want to look at the grub's manual or a website for that. It's not difficult, really... just another entry
[06:10] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: put the other distro in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:11] <VincentMX> easy
[06:11] <VincentMX> do it all the time
[06:11] <VincentMX> i switch OSses a lot
[06:11] <Jucato> not so easy when you don't know what to put or how to do it properly.. ^_^
[06:12] <VincentMX> Jucato: it's real simple
[06:12] <VincentMX> just read it a little
[06:12] <Jucato> VincentMX: don't teach me, teach him
[06:12] <VincentMX> ok
[06:12] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: it's real simple
[06:12] <VincentMX> just read the menu.lst
[06:12] <Jucato> I'm just saying that it's not as simple as we'd all like it to be. and requires a bit of investigating into the directories of that other distro
[06:13] <VincentMX> no
[06:13] <VincentMX> it's really simple
[06:13] <VincentMX> really
[06:13] <VincentMX> it's far easyer than a gui program will ever be
[06:14] <waylandbill> I don't want to sound like I'm saying to JFGI, but there's many good examples out there.
[06:14] <Jucato> VincentMX: you have to make sure that the menu.lst entry for that other distro points to the correct vmlinuz files or initrd (or if it even uses initrd)
[06:14] <waylandbill> of a menu.lst
[06:14] <VincentMX> hmm
[06:14] <Jucato> then you also have to take into consideration that different distros use different boot options
[06:14] <VincentMX> well, it's real easy for me
[06:14] <Jucato> what I'm saying is that it's easy for someone who knows their way around
[06:15] <VincentMX> ok
[06:15] <VincentMX> i know very little about computers
[06:15] <waylandbill> ubuntu comes with a nice GUI boot menu editor. Kubuntu doesn't AFAIK
[06:15] <VincentMX> all i do is write programs in python, run a lan webserver, play around, irc, play music, compile stuff
[06:16] <VincentMX> you should learn programming
[06:16] <VincentMX> then all config files will be a lot easyer to read
[06:16] <VincentMX> :)
[06:16] <VincentMX> python is very good to start with
[06:16] <Jucato> VincentMX: you talking to me?
[06:16] <VincentMX> yes
[06:17] <Jucato> oh. I know my way around menu.lst, thank you
[06:17] <VincentMX> hmm
[06:17] <VincentMX> ok
[06:17] <waylandbill> was thinking of trying python out myself sometime. I normally do C/C++.
[06:17] <Jucato> and yes, I'm trying to learn programming, but I'm starting with C++
[06:17] <VincentMX> then you know it's a piece of cake
[06:18] <waylandbill> too much *ack* win32 though. :-/
[06:18] <Jucato> i would just like to repeat what I said: "what I'm saying is that it's easy for someone who knows their way around"
[06:18] <VincentMX> ok
[06:18] <VincentMX> ok
[06:18] <VincentMX> whatever
[06:18] <waylandbill> Jucato: you're right. It's simple when you've already done it several time.
[06:19] <VincentMX> i knew it right away
[06:19] <VincentMX> just read few manuals
[06:19] <VincentMX> and read the menu.lst
[06:19] <larson9999> the old joke is, "it's easy when you know how to do it."
[06:19] <VincentMX> and off you go
[06:19] <Jucato> VincentMX: you're one of the blessed few. unfortunately, not everyone is as lucky
[06:19] <VincentMX> ok
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> I thought the old joke was "nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"
[06:20] <VincentMX> haha
[06:20] <Jucato> I learned how to edit the menu.lst by looking at it and seeing the changes, then looking at the directories it points too
[06:20] <Jucato> s/too/to
[06:20] <VincentMX> yes
[06:20] <Jazon_office> ok, I have been trying to make this work, but no luck so far.
[06:20] <Jucato> btw waylandbill, which was too much win32
[06:20] <Jucato> (that was supposed to be a question, btw)
[06:20] <waylandbill> what I program.
[06:20] <Jucato> aaah
[06:21] <waylandbill> get paid for it, so I'll do it. :-D
[06:21] <Jucato> hahaha
[06:21] <VincentMX> you need to write a very good program, that works only on linux
[06:21] <Jazon_office> i sudo grub    find /boot/grub/stage1   and it shows me  (hd0,0)  (hd0,1)     do i root (hd0,0) or (hd0) or what?
[06:21] <VincentMX> and not in windows
[06:21] <Jucato> a slave of the quad-colored butterfly
[06:22] <Jucato> Jazon_office: root (hd0,0) if you want to use that partition's grub
[06:22] <waylandbill> ROFL. get out the flyswatter.
[06:22] <Jucato> root (hd0,1) if you want to use that other partition's grub
[06:22] <Jazon_office> ok, and how to get it to detect the os on hd0,1 ???
[06:22] <VincentMX> Jazon_office: remember, grub starts counting at 0
[06:22] <Jazon_office> i know
[06:22] <VincentMX> linux starts counting at 1 and a
[06:22] <VincentMX> ok
[06:23] <waylandbill> anyone do any QT stuff? I just ordered a book.
[06:23] <VincentMX> o hda1 is hd0,0
[06:23] <Jucato> Jazon_office: it won't "detect" it, AFAIK. you have to add it manually in menu.lst
[06:23] <Jazon_office> i know....  hda2 is hd0,1
[06:23] <VincentMX> good
[06:23] <VincentMX> now im off
[06:23] <VincentMX> cya
[06:23] <Jucato> waylandbill: I wish Qt books were easily available here... I'd buy them at once!
[06:23] <Jazon_office> ahhhhh ok, there we go.  so i need to somehow get the parameters....
[06:24] <Jazon_office> but it wont let me mount hda2
[06:24] <Jazon_office> says it isnt in the fstab
[06:24] <waylandbill> Jucato: where are you located?
[06:24] <Jucato> waylandbill: philippines. lol
[06:24] <waylandbill> :)
[06:24] <Jazon_office> Jucato:  kumusta???
[06:24] <Jucato> Jazon_office: you have to 1) create a mount point for it; 2) mount it
[06:25] <Jucato> Jazon_office: ok lang po
[06:25] <Jazon_office> jucato:  hindi ako mabuting ng inyong wica   (or something like that)
[06:25] <Jazon_office> :P
[06:25] <Jucato> lol
[06:26] <Jazon_office> jucato:  hindi ako mabuting mag salita ng inyong wica   (better?)
[06:26] <Jucato> for the sake of non-FIlipino speakers, Jazon_office asked me how I was, I answered I was fine/doing ok, then he said (or at least what I think he was sayng) that he wasn't good with our language
[06:26] <Jazon_office> hehe - thats it.....  it's been 12 years... and i never was totally fluent
[06:27] <waylandbill> I know computer languages better than english... as far as my english professors were concerned anyway. :-D
[06:27] <Jazon_office> ok, i did sudo mkdir /mnt/other   now how do i mount it there?
[06:27] <Jucato> Jazon_office: anyway, to get back to your question, one trick I use to find out the "correct" parameters/menu.lst entry for the distro I was trying to add was to look in that distro's own menu.lst
[06:28] <Jazon_office> Jucato exactly what i am up to :P
[06:28] <Jucato> Jazon_office: if you're the GUI type of guy, you can easily make and mount partitions in System Settings > Disks & Filesystems
[06:28] <waylandbill> Jucato: that's a good idea.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:29] <Jazon_office> got it    sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/other   :D
[06:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: ehehe! that's the way I learned about grub. but I still don't really know much about the other options/parameters
[06:30] <Jucato> Jazon_office: of course, presuming /mnt/other already exists :-D
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> heh - im editing the pokemon wiki page.. cool.
[06:30] <Jucato> aaah! the advantages and disadvantages of wikipedia...
[06:31] <waylandbill> Jucato: i learned by having two computers so I could browse web pages while rebooting the other alot... trial and error.. on gentoo besides. :-)
[06:31] <Jazon_office> Jucato i made it
[06:31] <Jucato> I'm surprised no one has edited the page yet and said that Pokemon is evil because some of the pokemon grow horns when they evolve
[06:32] <Jucato> waylandbill: I didn't have the luxury of having 2 computers :-D
[06:32] <slemonnier> Does anyone know why my Ubuntu file system is ready only?
[06:32] <waylandbill> Jucato: you probably learned better that way anyhow
[06:32] <atidem> hello
[06:32] <Jucato> slemonnier: because Linux was made that way. Normal users/accounts don't have normal access to anything except their home folders
[06:33] <atidem> is there a place where can I find the latest kernel version in deb format?
[06:33] <Jucato> home folders = /home/username
[06:33] <waylandbill> wikipedia has editors though. If you put something bogus, eventually it'll be fixed.
[06:33] <Jucato> atidem: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> atidem: only by running edgy (but its still not the absolute latest)
[06:33] <Jucato> oh..
[06:33] <Jucato> I didn't see the "latest"...
[06:33] <Jucato> sorry about that....
[06:34] <Jucato> my bad..
[06:34] <slemonnier> I want to edit my xconfig. but it wont let me because it's ready only
[06:34] <pascal_> Did anyone make kubuntu packages for Amarok 1.4.2 yet?
[06:34] <Jucato> slemonnier: you need to have special or administrative permissions to do that. that's what we use sudo for
[06:35] <Jucato> pascal
[06:35] <Jucato> !amarok
[06:35] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[06:35] <slemonnier> Ok
[06:35] <slemonnier> Thanks
[06:35] <Jucato> imbrandon, thanks for making this available to both Dapper and Edgy (hope I'm not disturbing you)
[06:35] <Jucato> slemonnier: are you trying to edit xorg.conf?
[06:35] <pascal_> uhh, thank you ubotu
[06:36] <waylandbill> slemonnier: thatt's to "protect" against "fumble fingers" :-D
[06:36] <Jucato> hehe! I wonder if that bot keeps tabs on how many times it has been thanked?
[06:36] <Jucato> (or fumble heads... @_@ )
[06:36] <waylandbill> lol
[06:38] <Jucato> I'm wondering if it's possible at all to make OO.o Word open multiple documents in one window...
[06:38] <waylandbill> back when I had multiple users on windows at home, I tried the same idea as *nix. Only have admin priv's when needed.. You wouldn't believe how many closed software authors want admin priv's...
[06:38] <slemonnier> No "fumble FINGERS" ...yet!
[06:38] <Jazon_office> is gb.archive.ubuntu.com down?
[06:38] <Jucato> Jazon_office: try replacing it with uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:38] <waylandbill> for stupid things... like a game needs em.. .BAH!
[06:38] <Jazon_office> k
[06:39] <Jucato> heheh!
[06:39] <ubuntu> hello
[06:39] <Jucato> after using Linux, I've had some problems trying to implement a similar privilege system in Xp
[06:39] <waylandbill> someone else was complaining about GB mirror this morning. must be having trouble.
[06:39] <Jucato> I know it's possible,but I guess the proper way isn't that too obvious...
[06:40] <Jucato> heh, I've been hearing about GB complaints since last month
[06:40] <Jucato> I usually tell them to switch to UK.
[06:40] <waylandbill> Jucato: The system itself is not hard, when you enable advanced file permissions. The problem is almost every software title assumes you are the admin.
[06:40] <Jucato> maybe they're slowly changing it to make it more "politically correct"?
[06:41] <Jucato> waylandbill: well, in Linux, all software must be installed by the admin anyway
[06:41] <Jucato> it's just strange that some software can be installed in XP with only a limited account
[06:41] <lupine_85> well, the GB one could be located in gibraltar for all we know ;)
[06:41] <suporte> cd ipora
[06:41] <lupine_85> or norfolk...
[06:41] <suporte> #ipora
[06:41] <Jucato> ?
[06:41] <waylandbill> It's not a fault of windows either... it's the fault of the 3rd party developer making a bad assumption
[06:41] <abattoir> suporte: /join #ipora
[06:41] <Jucato> or in the Gall Bladder
[06:42] <intelikey> Jucato some software can be installed in linux in user space
[06:42] <Jucato> waylandbill: well, it could be the fault of Windows making it possible to install software without being an admin
[06:42] <lupine_85> erm, I was referring to "great britain" ;)
[06:42] <Jucato> intelikey: really? never knew that...
[06:42] <z00m> anyone cool with compiling source code in here, need some help
[06:42] <Jucato> lupine_85: i was just joking...
[06:42] <waylandbill> some software doesn't affect anything but the current user though... under both systems
[06:42] <lupine_85> I know :)
[06:43] <abattoir> z00m: what's the problem?
[06:43] <intelikey> Jucato things installed in user space are not accessable by others
[06:43] <waylandbill> I wouldn't want to check with my admin just to write a simple perl script. :-D
[06:43] <z00m> abattoir: trying to compile vnc-4_1_1-unixsrc.tar.gz
[06:43] <Jucato> intelikey: ok... except for scripts and themes, what else can be installed without admin privileges?
[06:44] <z00m> shall i post my output from the terminal ?
[06:44] <suporte> vixi, algum do brasil ai?
[06:44] <z00m> !pastbin
[06:44] <abattoir> z00m: yes, please pastebin it
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <abattoir> !pastebin
[06:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:44] <Jucato> hi abattoir!
[06:44] <abattoir> z00m: do you have all the dependencies installed?
[06:44] <Agios> You can install most application software in userspace in Linux. It's just not often done that way because it would have to be installed for each individual user that wants it.
[06:44] <abattoir> hello Jucato :)
[06:44] <intelikey> Jucato i don't have a list  but i've see a few apps
[06:44] <intelikey> testdisk is one
[06:45] <z00m> abattoir: think so yea because ./configure does not seem to have any errors or make
[06:45] <Jucato> ah I see
[06:45] <intelikey> a quick search at sourceforge would be much more revieling
[06:46] <Jucato> so is it possible to install something from the repository, or a deb which only my user can see?
[06:46] <waylandbill> the thing with installing on windoze as a limited user though... some programs don't check until runtime if they can even do what they require.
[06:47] <z00m> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21552
[06:47] <abattoir> Jucato: well, if you modify the control file for the deps., and somehow manage lib dep.(symlinks maybe?), then i guess its possible... never tried it though
[06:47] <abattoir> *control file for the .deb
[06:48] <Jucato> I see...
[06:48] <Jucato> hehehe! you really learn something new each day in Linux
[06:48] <z00m> abattoir: did you take a look
[06:48] <Jazon_office> can i get a pretty grub menu?
[06:48] <Agios> I installed googleearth in userspace to play with it
[06:48] <abattoir> Jucato: that is just my guess... not sure it would work...
[06:48] <abattoir> z00m: yes.. one sec :)
[06:49] <z00m> abattoir:  ok
[06:49] <Jazon_office> idid the sudo apt-get gfxboot gfxboot-ubuntu-themes    but dont see how it changed anything
[06:49] <Agios> make it easy to get rid of :)
[06:49] <Jucato> z00m: did you run "make" after "./configure"?
[06:49] <z00m> yes
[06:49] <waylandbill> grub supports graphical menu doesn't it? Like, with a background splash image?
[06:49] <Jucato> Jazon_office: I think it needs more tweaking than simply installing gfxboot
[06:49] <Jucato> waylandbill: yeah, but not as "pretty" as gfxboot
[06:50] <z00m> abattoir: shall i start a fresh and then post all the output ?
[06:50] <abattoir> z00m: does the INSTALL file mention some other method of installation?
[06:50] <Jazon_office> so remove grub?
[06:50] <Jazon_office> i need a howto
[06:50] <Jazon_office> heh
[06:50] <abattoir> z00m: ok
[06:50] <z00m> abattoir: no just info on what it is
[06:50] <Jazon_office> google earth is easy man
[06:50] <intelikey> Jucato i don't think dpkg is intended for user install  you might have to change some default there.   i was thinking of source not packaged things   but i have see several things in tarball form that would allow root-free installation. (all in user space)
[06:51] <Jazon_office> go to the google earth website, download the linux file, chmod +x it, and click and watch the magic ahppen
[06:51] <waylandbill> gfxboot. that probably looks like suse?
[06:51] <Jucato> Jazon_office: try this  link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208855&highlight=gfxboot
[06:51] <z00m> abattoir: shall i start a fresh with the compile /
[06:52] <Jazon_office> hehe - thats what ive been up to :P
[06:52] <abattoir> z00m: yes
[06:52] <z00m> ok
[06:53] <Jucato> ok... I just thought that being able to install software without the knowledge of the admin is quite contrary to the purpose of the admin, right? I mean it's one thing to be able to create data in your userspace w/o the knowledge of the admin, but another thing to install software
[06:53] <Jucato> but I guess it's also inconvenient to have to ask the admin for permission everytime a software needs to be installed
[06:54] <Jucato> annoying for both admin and user...
[06:54] <waylandbill> Jucato: if you are only doing stuff your own files, you shouldn't have to bother the admin
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> There is nothing wrong with installing some things in your home directory
[06:55] <Jucato> ok. clearly I had this whole privilege+software installation concept in Linux all wrong...
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> If the admin doesn't want you compiling stuff then they should make it so it cannot happen
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> thinking of it in 'windows terms' ?
[06:56] <z00m> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21553
[06:56] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: actually, I was trying to think about it outside of "windows terms"
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> ~/bin is a perfectly reasonable place to install stuff
[06:56] <larson9999> is the general idea of config directories named like *.d to concatenate all of the files in that dir to create on config file?
[06:57] <Jucato> I'm not really familiar with how XP handles users/user privileges
[06:57] <waylandbill> h3sp4wn: yup. ~/bin is a very friendly place.
[06:57] <intelikey> well i have cludged my way through building a kernel to very specific hardware needs,  it's just a little bit big yet, still trimming the fat from it.  2123956 bites    i'd like to get it under 1.3m    you might say why so big.  well it doesn't need an initramfs and all modules i load are now built in so it doesn't even need module support.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  handles them very badly from what ive seen.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  ms crippled XP-Home in that area in such a way that makes it useless.
[06:57] <waylandbill> Jucato: they tried to make it like *nix, and didn't do very well at it.
[06:57] <Jucato> ehehe! I remember now a program that doesn't need admin privileges to run/install
[06:58] <intelikey> Jucato as to admin/setup  the admin could add you to sudo with permission to   apt-get install *   only  :)
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> I can limit my wife so she cant do stuff.. and end up making it where she cant even print..
[06:58] <Jucato> and guess what, I have it "installed" and I didn't even realize I didn't need "sudo" to install it
[06:58] <waylandbill> I agree with Dr_Willis. XP-Home is useless in that department
[06:58] <z00m> abattoir: at the end there us make istall, for get that i tryed the right way after with same result make install
[06:58] <larson9999> i think the real issue for xp is that everyone is in the mindset that it's ok for programs to require special priveledges to run
[06:59] <Jucato> actually, normal users in XP don't even know about "special privileges"
[06:59] <waylandbill> intelikey: right... in passwordless mode.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> I think the whole idea of a XP-Home and XP-Pro is stupid.
[06:59] <intelikey> waylandbill correct
[06:59] <Jucato> stupid.. but lucrative...
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> But we dont want to get that started...
[06:59] <waylandbill> Dr_Willis: $$ is the only reason.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> APPLE dosent seem to need to do it that way. :)
[07:00] <Jucato> and Vista will have more than twice that amount
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> and i dont want to recall the # of times ive heard people say that pro is 'faster' 'better drivers' or other inane comments. :)
[07:00] <waylandbill> HAH!
[07:01] <intelikey> echo "ALL NOPASSWD:apt-get install * " >> /etc/sudo    (don't try that, the line end will probably break sudo)  just an example.
[07:01] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:01] <larson9999> all of that adds up to why i can't for the life of me understand why linux users keep using xp for personal use.
[07:02] <abattoir> z00m: where did you get the file from? url?
[07:02] <Jucato> larson9999: they/we keep xp for personal use because of personal reasons?
[07:02] <z00m> abattoir: http://jkp-se.lunar-linux.org/lunar/mirrors/
[07:02] <waylandbill> larson9999: wierd. I use linux for personal reasons. :-D
[07:02] <larson9999> Jucato: sure, and i can't understand any of them.
[07:02] <z00m> abattoir: vnc-4_1_1-unixsrc.tar.gz
[07:03] <intelikey> actually to make that anywhere near secure you need full path.   else some wise guy will write a script with '#!/bin/sh \nbash'  in it and name it apt-get  then run sudo ./apt-get install blah     badabing he's root.
[07:03] <Jucato> larson9999: I can think of a few: addiction to games, inseperability from Photoshop, a relative who doesn't want to use Linux, Windows-powered smartphone software, etc. (last 2 reasons are based on my personal reasons)
[07:04] <richardh_> Hi, anyone know how to make WEP enabled WIFI connect at start-up?
[07:05] <abattoir> z00m: i think you should use the vncinstall script
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:05] <waylandbill> Jucato: PS2, Gimp, disown relative, new smartphone. ;-
[07:05] <abattoir> z00m: that's what the README suggests
[07:05] <waylandbill> ;-)
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: But really you should use wpa (wep is pretty pointless)
[07:05] <z00m> abattoir: will have a look now
[07:05] <richardh_> h3sp4wn: yes, I tried, entered the key and all that...simply doesn't connect at start-up
[07:05] <intelikey> QUICK QUESTION.  any way to get mozilla to run in console frame buffered  ?
[07:05] <lupine_85> not a chance intelikey
[07:06] <richardh_> hesp4wn: WEP's enough to keep the neighbors out
[07:06] <lupine_85> use lynx and links
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: auto wifi0 (or whatever the interface name needs to be in it) - does sudo ifup wifi0 work (or whatever the ifname is)
[07:06] <lupine_85> richardh: wep can be broken in 3 minutes
[07:06] <intelikey> yean links2 -g  but no ssl suppotr
[07:06] <intelikey> rt
[07:06] <waylandbill> I forced linux on my relatives. I must be a great guy... they didn't kill me and actually realized that it works well. :P
[07:06] <aliasfred> wep is nice against your little sister, if she doesnt know how to use a computer :)
[07:06] <intelikey> lynx but no graphics support
[07:06] <Jucato> waylandbill: (Asian) MMORPGs, GIMP is... (no comment), I'd love to do that but I still love her, out of budget :-D
[07:06] <z00m> abattoir: thanks that did the trick, ;)
[07:07] <abattoir> z00m: :)
[07:07] <lupine_85> ...and if she hasn't learned to walk yet
[07:07] <waylandbill> intelikey: elinks does ssl
[07:07] <aliasfred> those wifi guys cant do a crypto stuff, i have no idea why
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> wep is more difficult to setup than wpa anyway - no reason to use it at all (upgrade the routers firmware to support wpa if you can)
[07:07] <intelikey> waylandbill and grapnics ?
[07:07] <aliasfred> they tried like 3 or 4 time and failed each and every time
[07:07] <intelikey> kewllio tanks
[07:07] <waylandbill> intelikey: for crap, but gmail works. ;-)
[07:08] <larson9999> Jucato: and i can't understand why someone who hates M$ and likes linux would continue to use xp for home use for reasons like those.  games?  there are so many games that run in linux these days you have a true addiction if you can't get your fix in linux.  for home use, gimpshop is more than good enough.  and for anything else, if you hate windows so much(i don't know that you do and if you don't you don't fit because i'm talking
[07:08] <larson9999>  about those who claim to hate windows).  for the rest i just don't use things at home that don't support linux.  in my mind doing otherwise indicates you don't really hate windows any more than linux.
[07:08] <richardh_> h3sp4n: my interface is included...it's called eth1 here...do I need to make Kubuntu use the wifi0 interface?
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: just use auto eth1 then
[07:09] <waylandbill> larson9999: Hazzuh! Well put!
[07:09] <Jucato> larson9999: of course, you are presuming that hypothetical person A hates Windows so much and yet keeps XP around for aforementioned reasons...
[07:09] <intelikey> i've got 1024x768@24bit fb working in the kernel so pictures are pretty sharp in console mode.
[07:09] <richardh_> h3sp4wn: well, that's what I'm doing...it still doesn't connect though...I need to open up the wifi-GUI and connect manually
[07:09] <Jucato> but what about hypothetical person B who just likes Linux for what it is, not out of hatred for M$, but keeps XP around for the aforementioned reasons?
[07:09] <waylandbill> Of course, the counter arg is that I hate take out the trash, but still do it. :-)
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: if sudo ifup eth1 doesn't work then /etc/network/interfaces is not setup right
[07:10] <intelikey> Jucato been there
[07:10] <larson9999> Jucato: yeah.  i just get irked by those who claim to HATE windows but keep using it for those kinds of reasons.  i have no illwill towards windows or any OS or those who like any OS
[07:10] <intelikey> i learned to hate M$ anyway
[07:10] <richardh_> ok
[07:10] <intelikey> :)
[07:10] <Jucato> heh, seems to be the trend for new Linux users to proclaim their loyalty to Linux by bashing M$...
[07:11] <waylandbill> I dislike M$ for the way they handle things, not for their OS.
[07:11] <larson9999> Jucato: person B is perfectly understandable in my mind
[07:11] <intelikey> yeah, i guess i'm a new linux juser my self.....  just don't think of myself in those terms any more.
[07:11] <larson9999> waylandbill: and to me if you hate a company's practice you shouldn't use their products.
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> I think alot of people who claim to use linux use it less than 5% of the time
[07:12] <waylandbill> larson9999: you're right there
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> Just spend ages getting it installed and then use windows most of the time anyway
[07:12] <Jucato> I'm personally not bothered (usually) by M$'s unethical business practices. My sister isn't also, and I've found her to have higher moral standards than me. She justifies it by saying "Gates Foundation"
[07:12] <intelikey> h3sp4wn you might be right....   lol
[07:12] <Jucato> larson9999: btw, I'm person B. thank you for understanding :-D
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> I dislike how MS handles their OS.
[07:13] <intelikey> larson9999 here here.
[07:14] <Jucato> hi draik!
[07:14] <waylandbill> h3sp4wn: I'm thinking as the FOSS snowball continues downhill, the "ages" to install should get smaller.
[07:14] <draik> Hey Jucato
[07:14] <larson9999> actually i'm building up a list of different OSs so i can use a different one every day.  going to shoot for 7.  linux/bsd will only account for 1
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> BeOS!
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:15] <Jucato> isn't BeOS now known as Haiku?
[07:15] <larson9999> Dr_Willis: i forgot.  free OSS OSs
[07:15] <waylandbill> Dr_Willis: I recall that someone claimed we'd never need over 640k RAM.
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> richardh_: http://llaic3.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.shtml#wifiiface (have a look at that)
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  no idea.. BeOS managed to screw itself over also.
[07:15] <waylandbill> intelikey: LOL!
[07:15] <Jucato> heheh
[07:15] <larson9999> Jucato: no.  haiku is an opensource version but not beos
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> They had a neat niche.. then they went "ok screw the pc market.. lets go for the embeded market!'
[07:16] <Jucato> aaah. then add Haiku to you list :-D
[07:16] <larson9999> Jucato: like linux isn't unix
[07:16] <lupine_85> didn't IBM say there was no reason for anyone to have a computer at home?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> waylandbill: I think ubuntu/suse/redhat/novell are getting more an more bloated and slower (possibly even to the point where after a clean install windows may even be faster)
[07:17] <larson9999> lupine_85: funny, i now have a mainframe at home thanks to hercules
[07:17] <intelikey> larson9999 linux isn't unix.   it is a unix clone writen form the ground up.
[07:17] <Jucato> but what Bill said, and probably what IBM said, was only based on what they knew at that time
[07:17] <richardh_> h3sp4wn: thanks a lot
[07:17] <Jucato> you can't expect them to predict the future accurately, right?
[07:17] <waylandbill> h3sp4wn: actually, the last Suse and Fedora installs were hours. You have a point
[07:17] <larson9999> intelikey: yeah and haiku is similar with regard to beos
[07:18] <Jucato> linux is based on minix which was based on unix...
[07:18] <larson9999> i have fc5 running on my son's machine now.  it's just as snappy as *buntu and the install was just as painless.  the only issue is that yum is so SLOW
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> last i even tried BeOS - it wouldent install on my  newer pc.. and the silly iso-image files were a pain to burn. (i think they dident use .iso, they used somthing else)
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:18] <lupine_85> larson: install apt-rpm ;)
[07:18] <intelikey> first release of linux linus proclamed it has no *** code in it.
[07:18] <Jucato> I tried running openSUSE 10.1 with KDE 3.5.4 using a VMWare machine... surprisingly it was running fast considering it's on VMWare...
[07:19] <intelikey> as far as i know, no one ever proved him wrong.
[07:19] <waylandbill> Well... I see new packages for Linux and days later FreeBSD is putting it in ports, so they may be going hand-in-hand on some respects
[07:19] <larson9999> lupine_85: yeah but that goes to my not supporting companies who chose very crappy defaults :)
[07:19] <intelikey> and it is open source.
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> Compare the speed of kde on etch and on kubuntu (somewhere alot of performance was lost)
[07:19] <intelikey> waylandbill you mean GNU packages.   linux is the kernel.
[07:19] <Jucato> comparing the speed of KDE on Kubuntu and MEPIS, somewhere performance was gained...
[07:20] <waylandbill> intelikey: right.. I meant GNU/Linux.
[07:20] <intelikey> linux is a registered trade mark of linux travolds open source kernel "linux"    :)
[07:20] <waylandbill> :-)
[07:20] <intelikey> linus  ^
[07:21] <lupine_85> not in Australia it isn't
[07:21] <waylandbill> I used the "Gnu/" as a "silent E"
[07:21] <Chousuke> Linux Torvalds ;P
[07:22] <larson9999> from what i read in linus' book it wasn't based on minix.  rather he thought he wanted something like it for the pc but didn't like some of the way minix worked.  but it didn't seem to me it was based on minix any more than unix.  maybe i read that wrong.
[07:22] <Chousuke> The man will have to change his name someday
[07:22] <intelikey> Chousuke typo.  i corrected ^
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> waylandbill: For me (recently) kde works alot faster on debian or freebsd - than on kubuntu (I have been trying to work out why but I think there are many things)
[07:22] <lupine_85> he didn't like the microkernel architecture of minix, IIRC
[07:22] <Chousuke> was the original minix a microkernel OS?
[07:23] <larson9999> lupine_85: that and file access is what i think the book says
[07:23] <Jucato> probably "minix inspired" then? :-D
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> minix is definately a microkernel
[07:23] <Chousuke> I know Minix 3 is, but I'm not ure of the older ones.
[07:23] <Chousuke> sure*
[07:23] <intelikey> read all about it as  linux.org
[07:23] <lupine_85> or "minix-frustration" inspired? ;)
[07:23] <Bbetto> someone whit mac and kubuntu?
[07:23] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <waylandbill> h3sp4wn: I have KDE 3.5.4 on my debian testing and it's fast. I find the fbsd one slower though.. maybe hardware related.
[07:24] <Jucato> I seem to dislike Linux.org a bit...
[07:24] <waylandbill> fbsd 6.1 at least.
[07:25] <abattoir> Jucato: because of the ads?
[07:25] <Jucato> because it does not, even once, mention the contribution of the GNU project to the Linux operating system
[07:26] <Jucato> I'm one of those people who don't like to use the "GNU/Linux" name, but give credit where credit is due
[07:26] <intelikey> Jucato what has GNU contributed to the kernel ?
[07:26] <Jucato> intelikey: Linux.org doesn't even define "Linux" as a kernel
[07:27] <Jucato> from Linux.org "Linux is an operating system that was initially created as a hobby by a young student, Linus Torvalds, at the University of Helsinki in Finland."
[07:27] <intelikey> well i'm not sure that's even the page i had in mind...
[07:27] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:27] <Jucato> http://www.linux.org/info/index.html
[07:28] <Jucato> I think it's ok to call Linux as an OS, but still clarify the part about the kernel and the GNU project
[07:28] <waylandbill> when many people refer to Linux, they do mean GNU/Linux
[07:28] <Jazon_office> for some apps that i really want, if they are not in the universe, should i build them myself, or is it ok to go add to the sources.list?
[07:29] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: Look at "checkinstall
[07:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: I know that. but what bothers me is that "What is Linux" page does not even mention once what the GNU project has contributed. the only time the word "GNU" was mentioned was about the GPL
[07:29] <Jucato> Jazon_office: or in "multiverse' (you have to add it)
[07:29] <aliasfred> guys why not continuing this offtopic discution in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[07:30] <Jucato> aliasfred: yeah..
[07:30] <waylandbill> Jucato: I agree. If it is an entry point for someone who may not know, it should mention historical info
[07:30] <Jucato> another instance where the line between on-topic and off-topic is blurred....
[07:31] <waylandbill> Jazon_office: that way if you don't like the source compiled version, you can use dpkg to remove it later.
[07:31] <aliasfred> well discussing for hours about this subject wont help user to use kubuntu :)
[07:31] <Jucato> Jazon_office: I suggest first looking in all available Ubuntu repositories, then for repositories that are Ubuntu-compatible, then for .deb installers, then lastly for source code
[07:32] <Jucato> aliasfred: not Kubuntu directly, but indirectly. but like I said, you're right
[07:32] <Jucato> [AVERTISEMENT]  #kubuntu is for SUPPORT questions, #kubuntu-offtopic is for general Kubuntu, Linux, and anything else under the sky (and possibly anything above the atmosphere as well)
[07:32] <waylandbill> aliasfred: no problem. it was a slow time for user queries. We would've toned down with a user problem I'm sure.
[07:32] <josh__> what 3d games are there for linux 64 bit
[07:34] <josh__> the only linux games i know is doom, ut and some other one
[07:35] <intelikey> man the default kernel  lsmod lists two pages of modules loaded   my new buid lsmod lists nothing   hehhe
[07:36] <aliasfred> there is a tremulous which is quite fun to play in my opinion
[07:36] <aliasfred> but you will have to recompile it yourself for 64bit i guess
[07:36] <jeekl> Noatun crashes on startup for me and I see a message flash by telling me something about the arts-server. This is the gdb backtrace: http://pastebin.ca/147812
[07:36] <jeekl> Someone who can help me, please?
[07:36] <Jucato> intelikey: my system has 160+ modules...  doing a minimal install + kde-core results in 94 modules
[07:36] <josh__> wait are u saying its possible to run 32 bit apps on the 64 bit one?
[07:37] <aliasfred> josh__: it was not what i was saying. but yes i think it is possible. i have seen stuff in this direction for the flash plugin stuff
[07:37] <Jucato> I haven't checked how many modules are loaded in MEPIS, but isn't startup time affected by the # of modules loaded?
[07:37] <intelikey> speeking of games, i'm not a gamer; but what are some lowend (thinking more than action) games for linux ?
[07:38] <aliasfred> josh__: here i *think*.. like i have seen a web page talking about it :)
[07:38] <intelikey> Jucato heh yeah.
[07:38] <waylandbill> josh__: tremulous
[07:38] <intelikey> it is
[07:38] <aliasfred> tremulous is a real game, not like deminer and co
[07:38] <aliasfred> real game as in modern game i meant
[07:38] <Jucato> err.. question: why is gdb, which is needed by the Crash Handler, not installed by default in Kubuntu?
[07:38] <intelikey> most load very quickly tho
[07:38] <bitmvnch> howdy all, i am having trouble changing the resolution on my kubuntu system in the kde system settings.
[07:39] <acetoxy> Hm, I got the Kubuntu-CD and I inserted it, then I choose to format an NTFS-partition (which I want to install on), but then the installation program quit
[07:39] <larson9999> intelikey: just check out the linux game tomb
[07:39] <bitmvnch> when i lower it, i just get a popup that says the new settings are being tested, but the resolution doesn't change.
[07:39] <Jucato> intelikey: there's a noticeable 5-10 seconds (10+ if there's no USplash) difference in boot time between the 2 installs I made...
[07:39] <bitmvnch> the second time i changed it x restarted to the kdm prompt
[07:40] <acetoxy> Am I supposed to reboot?
[07:40] <bitmvnch> a while ago i had to remove ~/.kde just to get x to log in any way other than failsafe.
[07:40] <larson9999> intelikey: just check out the linux game tome
[07:41] <intelikey> Jucato yeah, 70+ modules differance  that's about 7/second load time   that's not bad
[07:41] <TheGateKeeper> acetoxy: you need to either resize the ntfs partition if you want to keep it, or remove it and replace with ext3 if you don't you will also need a swap partition about 2x size of your RAM
[07:41] <Jucato> grr!! ubuntuforums.org is a down a lot lately
[07:41] <intelikey> larson9999 k i'll look
[07:42] <acetoxy> TheGateKeeper: I dont want to keep it, so, I'll then have to remove it and create a new one?
[07:42] <intelikey> ah tome is rpg
[07:42] <Jucato> tome? rpg?
[07:42] <TheGateKeeper> acetoxy: correct, an ext3 one, and don't forget your swap partion
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato do  apt-cache show tome | less
[07:43] <Jucato> you can do more than "more" with "less"
[07:43] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:43] <intelikey> :)
[07:43] <Jucato> ok.. stopped reading when I saw "text based"
[07:43] <TheGateKeeper> acetoxy: when it get to partitioning in the installer, select manual, and make the relevant changes
[07:43] <josh__> i can't watch flash movies
[07:44] <Jucato> josh__: do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[07:44] <intelikey> yeah more was an M$ brain fart in the 80's  why any linux would still have it is beyond me.
[07:44] <TheGateKeeper> acetoxy: how you partition is up to you, some like me have a seperate partition for /home too
[07:44] <aliasfred> JohnFlux: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_flash_player <- for hardcore solution :)
[07:44] <josh__> no how do i get it?
[07:44] <Jucato> let's not take that path again, shall we? or else aliasfred will have our heads...
[07:45] <Jucato> josh__: first enable the "multiverse" repository
[07:45] <Jucato> Need to enable "universe" and "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:45] <intelikey> josh__ there is no 64bit flash support
[07:45] <Jucato> oh...
[07:45] <josh__> DAMN!
[07:45] <Jucato> sorry...
[07:45] <TheGateKeeper> is there a bot that gives partition advise guys?
[07:45] <Jucato> I didn't know he was using 64bit...
[07:45] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: there's a wiki page, I think
[07:45] <josh__> i got automatix
[07:46] <josh__> and it installed java i think
[07:46] <aliasfred> JohnFlux: http://en.jakilinux.org/linux/ubuntu/kubuntu-606-on-athlon-64/ <- i think you will like this page
[07:46] <aliasfred> not JohnFlux
[07:46] <larson9999> intelikey no, the site called 'the linux game tome'
[07:46] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: ok cheers
[07:46] <aliasfred> josh__: http://en.jakilinux.org/linux/ubuntu/kubuntu-606-on-athlon-64/ <- i think you will like this page
[07:46] <aliasfred> josh__: it is all for kubuntu on 64bit, including running 32bit apps and flash
[07:46] <intelikey> larson9999 ?
[07:47] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: maybe, just maybe, this would help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DrivesAndPartitions
[07:47] <Jucato> ok that all the time I've got
[07:47] <flinden> hola
[07:47] <Jucato> goodnight folks
[07:47] <Jucato> bye!!
[07:47] <flinden> hey, alguien castellano
[07:48] <peppino> ciao
[07:48] <josh__> cool
[07:48] <josh__> and one more thing
[07:48] <flinden> hola,holahola,holahola,holahola,holahola,holahola,holahola,hola
[07:48] <josh__> whats an rpm file?
[07:48] <bitmvnch> dangit our freakin IE is still at exactly 51%
[07:48] <bitmvnch> whup wrong channel.
[07:48] <TheGateKeeper> acetoxy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DrivesAndPartitions
[07:49] <acetoxy> Heh, the installer crashed and I had to reboot my computer. When I rebooted it, I couldnt choose Swedish (which I could last time I tried). strange.
[07:49] <TheGateKeeper> brb
[07:49] <acetoxy> Thanks
[07:49] <josh__> do u need a certain linux to use rpm's?
[07:49] <josh__> !rpm
[07:49] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[07:49] <josh__> DAMN!
[07:49] <bitmvnch> so, noone around here is familiar with the display configlet in kde system settings, and/or knows why it does not change resolution for me? ;)
[07:49] <bitmvnch> josh__: you don't want packages for another system.
[07:49] <intelikey> larson9999 k got it.
[07:52] <intelikey> larson9999 maybe  happypinguin.org  ?
[07:53] <larson9999> yep
[07:54] <fdoving> DaSkreech: what was it ?
[07:56] <bitmvnch> is there a way to re-run the x config from install without reinstalling, rather than trying to set what seems to be a user preference for resolution?
[07:58] <intelikey> bitmvnch sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:58] <intelikey> read carefully and answer correctly all questions
[07:59] <bitmvnch> should i drop to runlevel 3 or is an xterm fine?
[07:59] <bitmvnch> er konsole
[08:00] <fdoving> konsole is fine.
[08:01] <intelikey> changing runlevel wont change anything 2-5 all ==
[08:01] <XVampireX> Can anyone please tell me a good Bit Torrent client that: 1. Doesn't take 1gb of ram. 2. Doesn't Upload at 100kb, even though your REAL upload limit is 13kb. 3. Doesn't download REALLY slowly. 4. Doesn't start with ktorrent. 5. has a GUI.
[08:01] <ep> what's my graphics card?
[08:02] <intelikey> lshw
[08:02] <Marky> how to make XGL to start with kde instead of gnome?
[08:02] <XVampireX> 6. Doesn't download 100% but doesn't really do that.
[08:02] <XVampireX> errr
[08:02] <XVampireX> 6. Downloads 100% for REAL!
[08:02] <intelikey> ep do lswh in konsole
[08:02] <ep> thanks
[08:02] <XVampireX> Can someone please help me?
[08:04] <XVampireX> 7. Doesn't start with azureus
[08:04] <rene_> goede avond
[08:05] <gplfighter> !nl > rene_
[08:05] <Marky> !de
[08:05] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:05] <Marky> hha
[08:05] <gplfighter> Rene_ voor nl kubuntu support kan je best in #ubuntu-nl zijn.
[08:06] <gplfighter> anders in # kubuntu-nl , maar daar is bijna niemand aanwezig
[08:06] <rene_> kan ik wel in engels my vraag stellen?
[08:06] <gplfighter> yes
[08:06] <gplfighter> ja
[08:06] <GameOver69> any reason why streaming online files in the firefox mpalyer plugin never play... t hey always stop when loading
[08:06] <rene_> how can i change my root password
[08:07] <fdoving> rene_: from konsole: 'sudo passwd'
[08:07] <waylandbill> GameOver69: sounds like missing codec is a guess
[08:07] <GameOver69> well if i save the stream it will play
[08:07] <GameOver69> but within the browser it wont
[08:08] <GameOver69> it will say connecting
[08:08] <GameOver69> then STOPPED
[08:08] <waylandbill> GameOver69: hmmm.. sorry... blows that theory
[08:08] <XVampireX> Can anyone please tell me a good Bit Torrent client that: 1. Doesn't take 1gb of ram. 2. Doesn't Upload at 100kb, even though your REAL upload limit is 13kb. 3. Doesn't download REALLY slowly. 4. Doesn't start with ktorrent. 5. has a GUI.
[08:08] <jcanfield> What is the current ratio of ubuntu/kubuntu downlaods?  Anyone know?
[08:08] <GameOver69> haha its ok.... i just want it to work
[08:10] <TheGateKeeper> GameOver69: long shot, maybe this would be of help https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/446/
[08:12] <GameOver69> TheGateKeeper, thanks but i tried it before didnt like it
[08:12] <waylandbill> XVampireX: there's qtorrent and rtorrent, but they may run off libtorrent, which may be common enough to not help you.
[08:12] <TheGateKeeper> GameOver69: ok
[08:12] <XVampireX> :-/
[08:13] <josh__> ok what the hell
[08:13] <josh__> this doens't make sence
[08:13] <josh__> i have all the java stuff installed from adept
[08:13] <josh__> i got it all from automatix
[08:14] <josh__> why can't i use java still?
[08:16] <fdoving> josh__: follow http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[08:19] <rlj> i have a partition layout of a primary winxp partition first, then extended space with an ext3 kubuntu partition and a tiny swap partition at the very end. there is no additional partition after the extended one. now, i've just resized the winxp one so it is a lot smaller and would like to expand the extended partition to include that space too and then move backwards and grow my ext3 partition, effectively increasing my kubuntu partition on behalf
[08:19] <rlj> of the winxp one.
[08:19] <rlj> question is
[08:20] <rlj> can i simply resize the extended partition, move the linux partition backwards and then grow it using qtparted and grub will still work (as it will still be (hd0,1))?
[08:20] <rlj> or will i get into grub mess by resizing and moving the logical ext3 partition?=
[08:20] <fdoving> yes.
[08:20] <rlj> and qtparted (using libparted) can nicely both grow and move and ext3 system with data on it?
[08:21] <fdoving> rlj: you have [winxp] (extended[ext3] [swap] ) right?
[08:21] <rlj> yes.
[08:22] <jkleinhans> hello I am having issues getting my wireless internet connection going on a Alienware Area 51 5550 laptop does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[08:22] <fdoving> rlj: you can resize as much as you want. as long as they stay in the same order.
[08:22] <rlj> hm, qtparted refuses to move (greyed out) or resize (slider won't move) the extended partition
[08:22] <fdoving> oh.
[08:22] <rlj> maybe i can select the logical ext3 one instead and try to resize
[08:22] <fdoving> hmm.
[08:23] <rlj> nope, both resize and move are greyed out on the ext3 one
[08:23] <fdoving> did you try to boot a livecd and do this from there?
[08:23] <rlj> yes.
[08:23] <rlj> in kubuntu live now
[08:23] <rlj> nothing is mounted off that hard drive
[08:24] <rlj> hm, "property" of extended says "it can grow xxx left"
[08:24] <rlj> it lies about the "grow right" value though..
[08:24] <rlj> maybe should just use console parted instead
[08:27] <rlj> i wonder if i dare do "resize 2 blaGB blaGB" in parted
[08:27] <rlj> help resize says partition must have one of following fs-types: ext3, ext2 etc etc
[08:28] <rlj> maybe you are supposed to resize the logical directly and it will automatically grow the extended...
[08:29] <jkleinhans> hello I am having issues getting my wireless internet connection going on a Alienware Area 51 5550 laptop does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[08:29] <aliasfred> one thing you do wrong, is the way you ask your question :)
[08:30] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: how should it be rephrased?
[08:30] <aliasfred> 1. describe what are you trying to do, 2. describe what you tried to solve it, 3. answer questions :)
[08:31] <aliasfred> btw this doesnt mean at all i know the answer, it is just a better way to get helped :)
[08:31] <josh__> can somenoe just do remote desktop lol
[08:31] <jkleinhans> I'm trying to go thru the connection wizard thing and its giving me permissions issues, it suggests I run as sudo 2. I've run from kate and its returned a few errors, yet a connection exists in hte KDE 3. what questions do you have for me?
[08:31] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: what were those permission issue ?
[08:32] <aliasfred> do you have a cut/paste of the errors
[08:32] <jkleinhans> it suggested I run as sudo aliasfred then I ran from kate w/sudo
[08:33] <aliasfred> a cut/paste would help us to determine exactly what was happening
[08:33] <mefiXe_> hi there
[08:33] <aliasfred> it is hard to find the way to solve the issue if all you know is 'it doesnt work' :)
[08:33] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: I'm getting this thing up gimme a minute
[08:33] <mefiXe_> could someone help me to get mp3-support working for amarok?
[08:33] <z00m> abattoir: can you tell me what DX_DISPLAY_MISSING=1 is ? what files ?
[08:33] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: ok
[08:33] <z00m> what do i need
[08:33] <mefiXe_> kubuntu 6.06
[08:33] <intelikey> "from kate w/sudo"   ???      i didn't know kate ran commands...
[08:33] <mefiXe_> amarok 1.4.1
[08:34] <alex_> could anyone give me some advice on getting battlefield 2 to work with wine?
[08:34] <aliasfred> !restricted
[08:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:34] <mefiXe_> libxine, xine-extracodecs installed
[08:34] <aliasfred> z00m: ubotu was for you
[08:34] <abattoir> z00m: where did you get that?
[08:34] <aliasfred> sorry wrong destination
[08:34] <mefiXe_> i've installed almost any lib that could deal with mpeg layer 3
[08:34] <z00m> abattoir: im trying to compile that vnc viewer on a x86
[08:34] <abattoir> mefiXe_: which engine are you using?
[08:35] <aliasfred> mefiXe_: ubotu was for you
[08:35] <z00m> i got this
[08:35] <mefiXe_> using xine
[08:35] <z00m> TXWindow.cxx:355: error: dpy was not declared in this scope
[08:35] <z00m> loads of errors with that
[08:35] <mefiXe_> i can only choose xine in amarok!
[08:35] <z00m> c++  -DX_DISPLAY_MISSING=1  -I../../common   -O2 -Wall -c TXWindow.cxx
[08:35] <z00m> TXWindow.cxx:22:23: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory
[08:35] <z00m> In file included from TXWindow.cxx:23:
[08:35] <mefiXe_> xmms can play mp3-files without any probs
[08:35] <acetoxy> Yeah, now I've got Kubuntu installed :) I get sounds for actions, and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works fine, but I can't play anything in Amarok. Any ideas?
[08:35] <abattoir> mefiXe_: ok, was just making sure...
[08:36] <mefiXe_> np
[08:36] <abattoir> z00m: a problem w/ video drivers maybe?
[08:36] <ralph1> Hi all: I am running Kubuntu 6.06 on my spouses machine, yesterday she managed to corrupt the root file system, I ran fsck on it and fixed all problems, now when I boot into her user, I have no keyboard input? Where do I go to tell the system to start a fresh scession?
[08:36] <aliasfred> z00m: use pastbin to cutpast, and you likely need to install the X devel package to be able to compile
[08:36] <mefiXe_> so sound-engine itself is working
[08:36] <abattoir> mefiXe_: ok, have you tried just restarting amarok after the upgrade? was it working before?
[08:36] <z00m> x delvel
[08:36] <mefiXe_> furthermore amarok tells me "no decoder found"
[08:36] <z00m> is that the name
[08:37] <aliasfred> z00m: i dunno the exact name, sorry
[08:37] <mefiXe_> i installed nearly any packet on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <abattoir> z00m: would it be possible to paste the entire error black?
[08:37] <acetoxy> mefiXe_: Ah, you've got the same problem as me :)
[08:37] <intelikey> acetoxy point your app at  alsa  or  arts maybe  ?
[08:37] <mefiXe_> amarok sucks since mp3 became special licensed
[08:37] <z00m> abattoir: in pastebin ?
[08:37] <mefiXe_> perhaps some dependencies are not switched "on" with my sources.list?
[08:37] <z00m> !pastebin
[08:37] <acetoxy> When I had Dapper Drake, I could play mp3 files in Amarok.
[08:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:37] <DaSkreech> !games
[08:37] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:38] <abattoir> mefiXe_: well.. the Restricted format page says why... and if you stop using amarok because of that, i guess you are going to miss something...
[08:38] <mefiXe_> exactly, caus i like amarok
[08:38] <abattoir> z00m: yes, :)
[08:38] <mefiXe_> i mean its look'n'feel is godlike
[08:38] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: http://pastebin.com/775067
[08:38] <z00m> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21570
[08:38] <linuxkid2> zOOm: it's "!paste"
[08:39] <aliasfred> looking
[08:39] <abattoir> mefiXe_: you still havent answered my questions... did you restart after upgrade?... did it work before?
[08:39] <mefiXe_> it worked before, sry missed your line!
[08:39] <mefiXe_> i did no reboot so far
[08:39] <jkleinhans> wow this laptop stuff is tough
[08:39] <mefiXe_> doing now
[08:39] <abattoir> linuxkid2: both point to the same entry :)
[08:39] <abattoir> mefiXe_: not reboot :)
[08:39] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Fontconfig
[08:39] <mefiXe_> amarok restart? yes!
[08:39] <abattoir> mefiXe_: this isnt windows... just close amarok from the system tray and restart amarok :)
[08:39] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: ok try 'kdesu wlassistant'  aka kdedu instead of sudo
[08:39] <linuxkid2> um, zOOm's !pastebin didn't show anything.
[08:40] <z00m> abattoir: it will not make any difference if i am using vmplayer runing the x86 version or kubuntu will it
[08:40] <mefiXe_> did this many times!
[08:40] <mefiXe_> everytime i installed a new lib or any other package
[08:40] <z00m> linuxkid2: it did
[08:40] <z00m> !pastebin
[08:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:40] <abattoir> z00m: if it is the source package, then it should work
[08:40] <z00m> there you go
[08:40] <linuxkid2> weird, I didn't see it last time.
[08:41] <abattoir> z00m: yes, you need the X devel packages
[08:41] <arepie> i'm amazed by the new ktorrent
[08:41] <jkleinhans> ok wtf
[08:41] <mefiXe_> this is my sources.list: http://nopaste.php-q.net/234754
[08:41] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: why did that work?
[08:41] <z00m> abattoir: ok, do you know the name / names ?
[08:41] <acetoxy> mefiXe_: Where did you find libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs?
[08:41] <mefiXe_> w32codecs is not available, i think caus of my sources.list
[08:41] <mefiXe_> but libxine was available
[08:42] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: sudo only change the right of the user, kdesu does the same but change some variable too which allow the new user to display an application too
[08:42] <mefiXe_> apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[08:42] <abattoir> !info xserver-xorg-dev
[08:42] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-dev: X.Org X server -- development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (dapper), package size 287 kB, installed size 1644 kB
[08:42] <abattoir> z00m: ^^^^
[08:42] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: it is due to some stuff on X which allow to have multiple display and to allow only some user to see them
[08:42] <z00m> abattoir: thanks very much for the help
[08:42] <z00m> ;)
[08:42] <jkleinhans> ok now its failing
[08:43] <srdjant> Hello. Got a problem with samba. I setup samba server using the kde front end tool and it was ok, but transferring lots of files made my box really slow, to the point that it didn't do anything for a while, and had a ton of smbd processes.
[08:43] <jkleinhans> k so kdesu = > sudo aliasfred ?
[08:43] <srdjant> Am I doing something wrong, or is this a known bug?
[08:43] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: kinda :) not exact but close :)
[08:44] <abattoir> z00m: no problem :)
[08:44] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: I was wrong, I got all excited because it said "done"
[08:44] <srdjant> was using Systems Settings -> Sharing -> File Sharing
[08:45] <pradeeper> is there any other IRC that dedicate to "Remastering Ubuntu"?
[08:46] <srdjant> System's kubuntu dapper 6.06.1
[08:46] <jkleinhans> http://pastebin.com/775077 aliasfred
[08:46] <aliasfred> pradeeper: the -devel channel are more likely to contain people able to answer those question :)
[08:47] <acetoxy> mefiXe_: Yeah, now the music works for me :D Thanks :)
[08:47] <mefiXe_> mine doesn't
[08:47] <mefiXe_> rofl
[08:47] <acetoxy> (and thanks to everybody else aswell) :)
[08:47] <pradeeper> thanks aliasfred
[08:47] <ralph1> Anyone is there a way to start a user with a fresh session?
[08:47] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: hmm i dunno the answer :)
[08:47] <aliasfred> http://pastebin.com/775077 <- anybody got an idea ?
[08:47] <intelikey> pradeeper ""Remastering Ubuntu"" ???
[08:48] <abattoir> intelikey: i think he means the live cd
[08:48] <Jazon_office> anyone in here set up an i-915 on a laptop for dual screen desktop?????
[08:48] <intelikey> oh.
[08:48] <jkleinhans> am I having an authentication issue with the WAP aliasfred
[08:48] <mefiXe_> brb
[08:49] <acetoxy> mefiXe_: Hm. :/
[08:49] <jkleinhans> I was thinking that could be an issue due to no DHCP issuance
[08:49] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: nope currently the issue is way before... aka it is just an issue of display the apps
[08:49] <jkleinhans> ouch sounds involved
[08:49] <mefiX_> re
[08:49] <aliasfred> jkleinhans: the error must be read from the first to the last
[08:49] <pradeeper> you can re-organize the ubuntu/kubuntu liveCDs
[08:50] <pradeeper> that's what we call re-mastering
[08:52] <mefiX_> ---> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:52] <mefiX_> added the resource to my sources.list
[08:52] <mefiX_> now doing apt-get upgrade
[08:52] <mefiX_> xine/amarok/libxine and stuff is being upgraded
[08:52] <mefiX_> let's see what happens
[08:52] <abattoir> mefiX_: 1.4.2 is the latest... just FYI
[08:52] <abattoir> !amarok
[08:52] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[08:52] <intelikey> questions dealing with "re-mastering live cd's" might be handeled in #ubuntu+1  or #knoppix maybe   also ##linux is sometimes very helpful   @ pradeeper
[08:53] <intelikey> who already left....
[08:53] <mefiX_> amarok-xine 2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1, amarok-engines 2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1,amarok 2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1
[08:53] <mefiX_> plug'n'pray
[08:53] <srdjant> My /etc/samba/smb.conf seems ok. What could cause samba to fork-bomb?
[08:54] <office_> hello
[08:54] <intelikey> srdjant the fork ran away with the samba ?
[08:54] <office_> i can`t install one movie player and some codecs for it
[08:54] <office_> can anyone help me?
[08:55] <office_> !mplayer
[08:55] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[08:55] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[08:55] <intelikey> !codecs
[08:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:55] <srdjant> intelikey: yes it might be possible.
[08:56] <mefiX_> btw one question: how can i install a specific version of a package?
[08:56] <intelikey> srdjant you have /etc/security/limits setup to squash bombs i hope.
[08:56] <mefiX_> e.g. the latest amarok
[08:56] <alex_> is anyone pretty familiar with wine?
[08:56] <intelikey> srdjant i don't know squat about samba.  sorry.
[08:56] <mefiX_> if it is not available in any of my repositories
[08:56] <DaSkreech> !amarok
[08:56] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[08:56] <srdjant> intelikey: ok, i'll have a look at that file, but ity should be the default as I've not changed it.
[08:57] <intelikey> srdjant then it's not set.
[08:57] <DaSkreech> mefiX_: But in general yes
[08:57] <srdjant> I'm unlikely to have this on my slackware box, but I don't have this issue on that box.
[08:58] <intelikey> you should set a process limit if you use things like samba ssh vnc apache and other points of attack.
[08:58] <mefiX_> i'll use brandons rep. if the current upgrade will not bring any effect
[08:59] <Hawkwind> mefiX_: I tested it for him last night and it works very well in fact.  No issues at all with the new 1.4.2 version
[08:59] <srdjant> intelikey: yes, that makes sense. However i'm only using konqueror to copy lots of files over between two machines, and the kubuntu box crawls as a result. Getting a ps output takes ages and there are (i'm guessing) hundreds of entries for smbd.
[08:59] <lupine_85> yes, new amarok is great :)
[09:00] <office_> !codec
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <office_> !codecs
[09:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:01] <intelikey> srdjant that doesn't really describe a fork-bomb but it would be a major issue.   again i'm samba illiterate so i'll leave you in the hands of those more qualified.
[09:01] <Mehercle> how can i change the actions menu (right click on file)
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> Its quite easy to (even accidently) kill a box without being root if you can get a shell
[09:02] <mefiX_> ok 1.4.1-ubuntu1 didn't work as well
[09:02] <srdjant> ok thanks for your input on this, intelikey. Also much appreciate your pointer to the limits.conf file. Thanks.
[09:02] <mefiX_> didn't work neither
[09:02] <mefiX_> installing 1.4.2
[09:02] <intelikey> Mehercle config desktop or konq behaviour
[09:02] <mefiX_> euh what i see is a "+dapperfix" in the amarokversion
[09:02] <intelikey> depending on where you are clicking
[09:03] <mefiX_> amarok 2:1.4.2-0ubuntu1+dapperfix [17,0MB] 
[09:03] <Mehercle> desktop and konqueror
[09:03] <intelikey> h3sp4wn not one that's setup correctly
[09:04] <Hawkwind> mefiX_: Because the 1.4.2 fixed some problems that the current dapper version has
[09:04] <mefiX_> i see
[09:04] <mefiX_> sounds promising!
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Setting it up so if a certain users processes uses more than a certain amount of cpu time then they get killed (with rlimits aware pam)
[09:05] <mefiX_> cannot be that hard to get mp3-playback working!
[09:05] <mefiX_> i mean: xmms worked immediately
[09:06] <jkleinhans> aliasfred: do I need to install drivers for this or something?
[09:06] <arepie> !c++
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <jpiccolo> anyone have the Karjan audio module working?
[09:06] <arepie> !compiler
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> imbrandons version of 1.4.2 just uses amrarok-engines so it should work with no messing around
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiler - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <arepie> !g++
[09:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:07] <intelikey> h3sp4wn and using /etc/security/*   :)
[09:07] <mefiX_> anybody in here that likes house-music?
[09:08] <intelikey> arepie don't forget !b-e
[09:08] <mefiX_> libtunepimp3 <-- lol
[09:09] <misieq> how do i install mp3 support for amarok? when i try to play mp3 file a window pops up and i have option to install mp3 support, but when i click it, nothing happens
[09:09] <arepie> !b-e
[09:09] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:09] <mefiX> lol!!!
[09:09] <trappist> !mp3 > misieq
[09:09] <mefiX> seems to be THE issue atm
[09:09] <abattoir> misieq: try installing libxine-extracodecs, which is in the multiverse repository
[09:09] <abattoir> !multiverse
[09:09] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:10] <arepie> intelikey: what's the differs?
[09:10] <srdjant> I just installed lame and liblame and i think that installs the mp3 support
[09:10] <intelikey> and yes they are the same link now.   b-e used to explain in the channel that you needed build-essential     bot is pretty useless now
[09:10] <mefiX> so, 1.4.2 installed, pray4me!
[09:11] <intelikey> about all ubotu does anymore is says  RTFM @ ubuntu.com
[09:11] <mefiX> doesn't work :-/
[09:11] <intelikey> which is.... well, rude.
[09:11] <josh___> can u run google earth on amd64?
[09:11] <abattoir> mefiX: told ya ;)
[09:12] <mefiX> cannot be true! it just sucks
[09:12] <adz21c> josh___: should be able to if u can find out how to install x86 libs
[09:12] <abattoir> mefiX: ok, now make sure you have libxine-extracodecs installed...
[09:12] <mefiX> gonna be faster by installing winamp with wine!
[09:12] <josh___> would that be in adept?
[09:12] <adz21c> josh___: ummm doubt it
[09:12] <alessandropironi> can anybody help me with katalog?
[09:13] <mefiX> libxine-extracodecs is installed
[09:13] <adz21c> josh___: i think you need to install the 32bit libs for various things such as xserver
[09:13] <arepie> vuild-essential package come with g++ ?
[09:13] <arepie> %build
[09:13] <josh___> damn!!!
[09:13] <abattoir> mefiX: ok, if you have amarok open, close it...
[09:13] <josh___> nothing supports amd64
[09:13] <josh___> i'm so pissed off
[09:13] <mefiX> k, closed
[09:13] <adz21c> josh___: ummm no plenty stuff does
[09:14] <josh___> but games and stuff
[09:14] <adz21c> josh___: just not prop stuff really
[09:14] <josh___> google earth, java, flash
[09:14] <adz21c> flash u can get to work
[09:14] <Hawkwind> Should have done a bit of research before purchasing a 64Bit system
[09:14] <adz21c> java u can
[09:14] <abattoir> mefiX: then delete ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/xine-config
[09:14] <adz21c> and google earth
[09:14] <intelikey> will not 64bit run 64 or 32 bit apps natively ?    it seems like it should.    when we went to 32bit it ran 16bit apps without anything special added..........
[09:14] <adz21c> no
[09:14] <abattoir> josh___: or, you should have installed a 32-bit OS
[09:14] <adz21c> well yes
[09:14] <adz21c> but u need 32bit libs to go with it
[09:14] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind, btw :)
[09:14] <josh___> lol ya
[09:15] <mefiX> k @abattoir
[09:15] <mefiX> deleted
[09:15] <mefiX> restart?
[09:15] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Hey there :)
[09:15] <abattoir> mefiX: yup :)
[09:15] <josh___> but there's no point in having a 64 bit cpu if u dont use the extra features :P
[09:15] <mefiX> any further adjustments or just try?
[09:15] <Hawkwind> josh___: There's no point in purchasing one when many things aren't supported for it either IMO
[09:15] <abattoir> mefiX: just try :)
[09:15] <josh___> ya but its the only thing on the market these days
[09:16] <mefiX> nope, sry!
[09:16] <Hawkwind> josh___: No it's not
[09:16] <abattoir> mefiX: any particular error?
[09:16] <intelikey> like having a 256 bit cpu and not using it for security encription.....
[09:16] <Hawkwind> Far from it actually
[09:16] <mefiX> one question in amarok settings
[09:16] <adz21c> josh___: i been using x64 for yrs and u can use whatever u like, just sometimes u have to compromise at using 32bit stuff at same time cos the prop world is slow as hell
[09:16] <intelikey> it wont do anything else
[09:16] <mefiX> i choose automatic selection for sound-output
[09:16] <josh___> yup
[09:16] <mefiX> would it be better to chose "alsa"?
[09:16] <josh___> oh well i like a challenge anyways
[09:16] <mefiX> or is this mode reliable?
[09:16] <josh___> i'm the only 16 year old i know who can use linux
[09:17] <abattoir> mefiX: ok, try changing...
[09:17] <srdjant> time to take out battery
[09:17] <intelikey> alsa is good
[09:17] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > mefiX
[09:17] <mefiX> i got alsa, oss, arts, file, esd
[09:18] <mefiX> trying alsa
[09:18] <abattoir> mefiX: dont choose file... try alsa
[09:18] <mefiX> kk, and there weren't any errors
[09:18] <josh___> uh i just installed google earth..
[09:18] <mefiX> still no mp3-playback
[09:19] <intelikey> josh___ what does it do ?
[09:19] <looktj> i messed up my server :/
[09:19] <adz21c> josh___: like i said you need various 32bit libs ... if u launch it via terminal it will probably winge for xcursors stuff
[09:19] <looktj> chaoscheats.com/smf
[09:19] <trappist> I'm not liking adept.  is there another kde app for managing my packages
[09:19] <profoX`> Hey. Where can I get Amarok 1.4.2 again :)
[09:19] <abattoir> mefiX: try playing one of the .ogg files in /usr/share/sounds
[09:19] <misieq> is there any plugin for kaffeine that would enable me to use sharing with my dvb?
[09:19] <abattoir> !amarok
[09:19] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[09:20] <looktj> it downloading php files
[09:20] <josh___> ya it won't start lol
[09:20] <josh___> oh well
[09:20] <abattoir> trappist: there is kynaptic and kpackage(??)
[09:20] <abattoir> !info kynaptic
[09:20] <ubotu> Package kynaptic does not exist in dapper
[09:20] <mefiX> the ogg-files can be played
[09:20] <office_> !media
[09:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:20] <josh___> !amd64
[09:20] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[09:20] <office_> !codecs
[09:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:20] <trappist> abattoir: thanks
[09:20] <josh___> !x86_64
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x86_64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <abattoir> mefiX: ok, then no problem w/ output... only mp3 support
[09:20] <office_> can anyone help me to install codecs?
[09:20] <office_> i can`t see any movie
[09:20] <mefiX> and for the others: i've installed any package on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:21] <intelikey> josh___ you know you can run a 32bit chroot in that 64bit env that allows using 32b apps.
[09:21] <mefiX> yep only mp3-support
[09:21] <mefiX> as i said
[09:21] <josh___> how do i do that then
[09:21] <mefiX> is there any debug in amarok?
[09:21] <fdoving> DaSkreech: ok. how did you figure that out?
[09:22] <intelikey> josh___ there is a wiki on chroot   @ ubuntu.com
[09:22] <abattoir> mefiX: do you have libmad0 installed?
[09:22] <misieq> mefiX: just try to run it from konsole
[09:22] <josh___> oh col
[09:22] <mefiX> in version 1.4.1 it brought up a popup telling "no decoder found"
[09:22] <audwan> anyone got tips for hardware on a linux mediasenter-box?
[09:22] <mefiX> libmad0 installed!
[09:22] <abattoir> mefiX: version?
[09:23] <DaSkreech> fdoving: I did a ldd on xclock and crossed it with the dpkg.log for that day and backed down the fontconfig
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Worked!
[09:23] <abattoir> mefiX: and also version of libxine-extracodecs
[09:23] <fdoving> DaSkreech: clever :)
[09:23] <nnn0> audwan: knopmyth maybe ?
[09:24] <nnn0> audwan: a knoppix port of myth tv
[09:24] <nnn0> audwan: oh HW %]  sry
[09:24] <DaSkreech> fdoving: That plus xorg dudes told me that Bus Error has nothing to do with a bus :)
[09:25] <audwan> nnn0: :)...yup
[09:25] <abattoir> mefiX: ????
[09:25] <mefiX> 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2
[09:25] <mefiX> sry
[09:26] <mefiX> amarok: END__: virtual bool XineEngine::play(uint) - Took 0.094s
[09:26] <mefiX> amarok:     [controller]  Failed to play this track.
[09:26] <audwan> figured I'd buy a Hauppage card for TV-in, but otherwise i'm blank
[09:26] <abattoir> mefiX: and libmad0 ?
[09:27] <mefiX> 0.15.1b-2.1
[09:28] <mefiX> my kde is 3.5.4
[09:28] <abattoir> mefiX: is there more of that error? could you pastebin it if it is large?
[09:28] <mefiX> ok, on sec.
[09:30] <DanaG> Does anyone have visualizations working in Amarok?
[09:31] <mefiX> debug: http://nopaste.php-q.net/234764
[09:31] <DanaG> I can't even open the "Visualizations" dialog -- the menu entry is disabled.
[09:31] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yeah.. that was a bit odd. to me anyway.
[09:32] <DaSkreech> fdoving: What was?
[09:32] <fdoving> DaSkreech: the bus error thing.
[09:32] <mefiX> line 262: opening file
[09:33] <mefiX> it doesn't tell us the problem
[09:33] <supernix> Ah I am back to familiar surroundings.
[09:33] <mefiX> it just says "cannot play, skipping 2 the next track"
[09:33] <supernix> Gnome is OK but I love my KDE
[09:34] <vursitis> what player are you using?
[09:34] <abattoir> mefiX: you can try reinstalling libxine-extracodecs and libmad0
[09:34] <supernix> so what is new in KDE 3.5.4 ?
[09:34] <mefiX> is there smt. like "reinstall"?
[09:34] <mefiX> or remove | install?
[09:35] <josh___> wow nice
[09:35] <josh___> i'm getting the 32 bit libraries now
[09:35] <vursitis> personaly i find that gnome has a restrictive interface
[09:36] <supernix> Yes that is how it felt to me as well vursitis
[09:36] <josh___> ok i saw a bunch of screenshots where u can turn the desktop into a cube
[09:36] <srdjant> xgl :)
[09:36] <josh___> how do u do that?
[09:36] <josh___> can u do it in kde?
[09:36] <adz21c> yea xgl
[09:36] <vursitis> yes
[09:36] <srdjant> yes
[09:36] <supernix> I got so use to the taskbar being at the bottom it flipped me out trying to access it at the top
[09:36] <srdjant> I got it running on my slackware box. rocks. mplayer is slow though.
[09:36] <abattoir> mefiX: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxine-extracodecs libmad0'
[09:36] <mefiX> both reinstalled
[09:37] <mefiX> same shit
[09:37] <mefiX> grml
[09:37] <vursitis> supernix: i know what you mean
[09:38] <supernix> how can I get KDE 3.5.4 I am still running KDE 3.5.2
[09:38] <josh___> ok i got google earth working
[09:38] <josh___> but the locations are a bit out of place
[09:38] <mefiX> weird
[09:39] <adz21c> fine on my end
[09:39] <vursitis> does anyone here know how well the program honeypot works?
[09:40] <Hawkwind> supernix: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main  <~~Add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list  and then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:41] <fdoving> vursitis: is it in the archives?
[09:41] <vursitis> yes
[09:41] <UQlev> vursitis, what services are you going to immitate?
[09:41] <mefiX> amarok: END__: virtual void ThreadWeaver::Thread::run() - Took 0.039s
[09:41] <mefiX> amarok:           [PluginManager]  Trying to load: libamarok_xine-engine
[09:41] <mefiX> amarok:           [xine-engine]  hello
[09:42] <mefiX> looks kinda good
[09:42] <vursitis> im not immitating anything, i would just like to broadcast a bunch of null machines on my network, im going to a technical college and i think the netowork kids are messing with my roomates machine, i want to throw them off a bit
[09:43] <vursitis> just as an extra security measure
[09:43] <fdoving> verbose: you mean 'honeyd' right?
[09:43] <UQlev> vursitis, then have a fun
[09:43] <vursitis> eh, i'll try
[09:44] <supernix> hmmm I am scared now
[09:44] <supernix> it said it was going to remove kde-libs-bin
[09:44] <vursitis> that might be the name
[09:44] <supernix> actually said in the description that those files were needed to run programs
[09:45] <adz21c> supernix: should be ok, i not got that installed
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> supernix: kde-libs-bin is depreciated
[09:45] <DanaG> Do any of you get the option of visualizations in Amarok?
[09:45] <DanaG> The "visualizations" MENU option is entirely disabled.
[09:45] <supernix> oic thanks for the heads up gang feeling much more comfortable now
[09:45] <misieq> !sasc
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sasc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <jott_> hm can someone tell me the fastest eu ubuntu repository? getting only ~100-200kb/s from de/nl/se/fi/no ... :(
[09:46] <supernix> ok hope all goes well. If not you will see me soon crying for help
[09:47] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Yeah Anyway I now know a whole slew of things on X startup
[09:47] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i'
[09:47] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i'll ask you next time i have problems :)
[09:48] <fdoving> jott_: se should be pretty fast.. i get nice speeds from it anyway. 1.5 M/s and such.
[09:50] <jott_> hmm.. erm is dns broken? i get the same ip for all *.archive.ubuntu.com :/
[09:50] <xwolf-> is there a ui-based program for rar files?
[09:50] <fdoving> jott_: hah.. nice point.
[09:51] <fdoving> all goes to uk.
[09:51] <jott_> so... can someone tell me the real ip of se.archive.ubuntu.com? ;)
[09:52] <Hawkwind> xwolf-: You can extract them from within konqueror if that's what you are asking
[09:52] <jott_> fdoving: no wonder its so slow ;)
[09:52] <supernix> God I am so happy I have 5mbps cable instead of a dialup right now or this would take forever
[09:52] <Hawkwind> jott_: 82.211.81.182
[09:52] <jott_> Hawkwind: no ;)
[09:52] <DanaG> I have only 3 megabits.
[09:53] <jott_> Hawkwind: this is forster.ubuntu.com :/
[09:53] <jott_> dns seems to be broken
[09:53] <DanaG> I wish I had even just 10 megabit ethernet to the internet.
[09:53] <supernix> hmmm I dont know what to say it just quit said it encounted a problem or that comitting would break a package
[09:53] <mefiX> next step: trina compile amarok
[09:53] <supernix> how do I find out what went wrong ?
[09:53] <mefiX> nothing works
[09:54] <josh___> i need help with installing the realtek drivers
[09:54] <xwolf-> Hawkwind i don't think so, man.
[09:54] <milan> Hello, how to configure firestarter with samba? When I start the firewall, my shares can not be viewed from other computers.
[09:54] <Hawkwind> xwolf-: Yes I think so.  I do it all the time.  You right click on the rar files and click Extract.  Assuming you have rar and unrar installed of course
[09:54] <supernix> our local cable company is advertising 10mbps but honestly the 5mbps is definitely enough for me
[09:54] <fdoving> jott_: ftp.acc.umu.se
[09:54] <jott_> fdoving: thanks
[09:55] <xwolf-> Hawkwind well, so i probably don't have rar and unrar
[09:55] <supernix> help what do I do to find out what went wrong ?
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> Its still contested - unless you have something like baseband
[09:55] <xwolf-> do you know the packages' names?
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> or a leased line
[09:55] <supernix> I was using adept updater
[09:55] <Hawkwind> xwolf-: Probably not.  You should install them :P
[09:55] <Hawkwind> xwolf-: rar and unrar of course
[09:55] <Hawkwind> !info rar
[09:55] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.30-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 236 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for i386)
[09:55] <jott_> i guess someone should fix this dns problem otherwise uk goes nuts ;)
[09:55] <Hawkwind> !info unrar
[09:55] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[09:56] <alex___> hello
[09:56] <alex___> I have a question
[09:56] <Hawkwind> supernix: My ISP is supposed to give us up to 25Mb by the end of this year, then up to 200Mb by the end of next year
[09:57] <alex___> is there anyway to prevent kubuntu from asking me for the password everytime I need to access an administrative area
[09:57] <supernix> wow Hawkwind that sure would be nice to try
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Do you have 8mb upload as well ?
[09:57] <mefiX> damn! i got a ~400kb-dsl
[09:57] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Hah no.  TWC/RR only gives us 512K up currently
[09:57] <supernix> Ok hmmm updater quit stating an error but did not say which package caused the error.
[09:57] <supernix> How do I find out what the problem was ?
[09:57] <Hawkwind> supernix: sudo apt-get upgrade  again
[09:58] <Hawkwind> supernix: Or, sudo apt-get -f install
[09:58] <alex___> anyone?
[09:58] <supernix> hmm I used the adept installer
[09:58] <supernix> What would the command line be again ?
[09:58] <Hawkwind> alex___: Setup a root account or use sudo -i
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> supernix: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:58] <Hawkwind> supernix: I just gave it to you
[09:59] <alex___> Hawkwind: setting up a root account would make it permanent, correct?
[09:59] <xwolf-> !mid
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <Hawkwind> alex___: Yes as you could just su -  to become root user.  sudo passwd   will do that for you
[09:59] <jott_> mh much better 20 min instead of 2 hours to wait ;)
[10:00] <alex___> Hawkwind: but would that be completely permanent? would I be asked for the password next time I boot the machine?
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> alex__: It will also break some apps that expect root not to be enabled (mainly gui ones but it may or not be a problem)
[10:00] <alex___> oh
[10:00] <alex___> really?
[10:00] <alex___> hmm
[10:00] <Hawkwind> alex___: Any time you su - it will ask for the password
[10:01] <Hawkwind> alex___: I've done it and have had nothing break.  I don't see how it can break anything
[10:01] <Hawkwind> alex___: You could setup sudo to not ask for a password
[10:01] <alex___> ok
[10:02] <alex___> so how do I set it up not to ask for the passowrd?
[10:02] <alex___> sudo -i
[10:02] <alex___> ?
[10:02] <Hawkwind> alex___: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=148.0
[10:02] <Hawkwind> alex___: Read that on my forums.  Look at the bottom
[10:02] <mefiX> where are the sources located at after extraction?
[10:02] <Hawkwind> alex___: There is a part at the bottom for setting it up on *Ubuntu specifically
[10:02] <mefiX> expected /usr/src
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> alex__: use visudo (add ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL)
[10:02] <alex___> ok
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> alex__: use visudo (yourusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL)
[10:03] <alex___> let me try
[10:03] <Hawkwind> alex___: That how-to I just posted tells you exactly that
[10:05] <alex___> alright!
[10:05] <supernix> hmmm something is wrong
[10:05] <alex___> h3sp4wn: thanks
[10:05] <alex___> Hawkwind: thanks
[10:06] <supernix> I rebooted and after that the place that usualy had a box for your username and password was blank as in no box just saw the text for the userid and a the cursor was at the password field position
[10:06] <DanaG> Visualizations, anyone?
[10:06] <DanaG> Anyone who uses Amarok and has libvisual installed:
[10:06] <DanaG> do you have the option to enable visualizations?  I don't.
[10:07] <fdoving> DanaG: i suggest trying #amarok
[10:12] <josh___> isn't linux like WAAAAAAY harder to make programs for
[10:12] <josh___> and plus all those guides on how to install it
[10:12] <supernix> I am still not getting any feedback
[10:13] <trappist> josh___: it depends.  if you write for windows, you get to make a lot more assumptions than you can with linux.
[10:13] <josh___> oh are there any free games for linux?
[10:14] <josh___> like 3d games, that have good graphics
[10:14] <trappist> for example, you don't have to worry about whether a windows user has recompiled a custom kernel.  You don't have to worry about whether he's running XFree86 or Xorg, KDE or Gnome, etc.
[10:14] <josh___> ooh cool
[10:14] <Ace2007> Hi all
[10:14] <josh___> yeh so are there any system hogging games for linux?
[10:14] <trappist> with 3d graphics, if you use opengl it's not a bug deal
[10:14] <trappist> josh___: like ut2004?
[10:15] <josh___> ya but its not free lol
[10:15] <josh___> i was playing that one with those cars and u make walls behind it
[10:15] <josh___> and u try to make eachother crash
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> josh___: ftp://3dgr130:sdf4d533@3dgamers.mirror.internode.on.net/3dgamers/games/wolfensteinet/et-linux-2.60.x86.run (wolfenstein enemy territory is free as in beer )
[10:16] <josh___> :O oh ya!~
[10:16] <josh___> and america's army too
[10:16] <josh___> im on 64 bit though
[10:16] <trappist> josh___: gltron? armagedtron?
[10:16] <josh___> armagedtron
[10:16] <josh___> i dont know how to play that lol
[10:17] <trappist> it's like a tron game
[10:17] <trappist> like the one you were playing
[10:17] <josh___> don't know
[10:17] <josh___> but its these cars that make lines that if u run into u die
[10:17] <trappist> right.  a tron game.
[10:17] <DaSkreech> !games
[10:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:18] <josh___> ya lol
[10:18] <mefiX> roooooooooofl my amarok works!!!!!!!!
[10:18] <mefiX> its so rofl!
[10:18] <mefiX> i just wanted to compile it
[10:18] <josh___> ya when i play music i have zero bas
[10:18] <mefiX> did ./configure
[10:18] <vursitis> that game is awsome
[10:18] <mefiX> and it told me that i need libxine-dev, clearly
[10:18] <DaSkreech> mefiX: You installed libxine-extracodecs?
[10:18] <mefiX> nope!!!
[10:18] <mefiX> that stuff was already installed
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Well you probably need to install that
[10:18] <mefiX> the problem was
[10:18] <DaSkreech> So you did install it
[10:19] <mefiX> libxine1 vs. libxine-main1
[10:19] <mefiX> libxine1 was installed
[10:19] <mefiX> version 1.1.2-2ubuntu3
[10:19] <mefiX> but the sources needed 1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.2
[10:20] <mefiX> i did
[10:20] <mefiX> apt-get install libxine-main1=1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.2
[10:20] <mefiX> Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[10:20] <mefiX>   libxine1
[10:20] <mefiX> Die folgenden Pakete werden DEAKTUALISIERT:
[10:20] <mefiX>   libxine-main1
[10:20] <mefiX> sry for the german locale now
[10:20] <mefiX> but it works now
[10:22] <supernix> Ok still same issue
[10:22] <mefiX> this is reaaally weird!!
[10:22] <supernix> for some reason I get no box when I go to login
[10:22] <supernix> it is like the kdm is messing up
 I have 4 visualisations in Amarok 1.3.9 in KDE 3.5.2
[10:24] <stoku> simeka
[10:24] <mefiX> @supernix, now that i am troubleshooting amarok lets see the visus
[10:24] <mefiX> on sec
[10:24] <stoku> jestem amatorem w linuxie mam go od paru godzin
[10:24] <stoku> jak zainstalowa/rozpakowa plik rpm??
[10:25] <stoku> czy kto pomoe na prv??
[10:25] <supernix> not sure what you mean mefiX ?
[10:25] <supernix> what is a visus ?
[10:25] <stoku> ups
[10:25] <stoku> sory
[10:25] <mefiX> visualisations
[10:25] <stoku> i speak polish language
[10:25] <supernix> how can i show it to you ?
[10:25] <Hawkwind> !pl
[10:25] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:25] <supernix> it is at the login prompt
[10:25] <stoku> bay
[10:26] <supernix> the boxes obviously exist or I would not be able to login but they are missing a black outline
[10:26] <jkleinhans> can anyone help me with my wireless connection, I've made some mods to my interfaces file and have the following output, but I don't know where to go from here...http://pastebin.com/775177
[10:26] <supernix> I dont see any problem when I use konversation or ff
[10:27] <mefiX> ?? thought you have problems with visualisations in amarok?
[10:27] <supernix> nah mefiX it is the login manager
[10:27] <mefiX> i see
[10:27] <mefiX> kdm?
[10:27] <mefiX> gdm?
[10:27] <supernix> yes I think that is what it is called it is the KDE login manager
[10:27] <mefiX> kdm, yes
[10:28] <lupine_85> jkleinhans: your router isn't reponding to (or possibly, isn't receiving) the DHCP requests
[10:28] <trappist> supernix: kdm
[10:28] <lupine_85> i.e. it's not giving you an IP address
[10:28] <supernix> ah ok I stand corrected kdm
[10:28] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: I see the linkquality:0 line that doesn't look good
[10:28] <mefiX> and whats your problem again with kdm (sry was stock in my amarok problem)
[10:28] <lupine_85> can you normally get a signal?
[10:28] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: what could be wrong?  its added to the allowed MACs, etc
[10:28] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: yes it shows up w/the wireless wizard
[10:28] <lupine_85> what driver setup are you using?
[10:28] <supernix> the kdm is missing a black outline for the login boxes
[10:29] <lupine_85> (e.g. ndiswrapper, native, etc)
[10:29] <pielgrzym> hello
[10:29] <pielgrzym> if I want to compile amarok for my system I have to remove it first?
[10:29] <lupine_85> also, if you configure a static address, can you ping the router?
[10:29] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: I don't know anything about linux
[10:29] <lupine_85> pielgryzm: probably best
[10:29] <lupine_85> ah :)
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: or install it to /usr/local or /opt
[10:29] <trappist> pielgrzym: it would be a good idea
[10:29] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: Why are you wanting to compile it ?
[10:30] <lupine_85> ok, can you pastebin the output of the following commands:- lsmod lspci lsusb
[10:30] <trappist> pielgrzym: if you wait until like tomorrow you can get the new one from kubuntu.org
[10:30] <supernix> is there some way I can repair the black box issue without having to revert back to KDE 3.5.2 ?
[10:30] <pielgrzym> if I open a huge playlist and start filtering by keywords it freezes and uses 100% cpu (amarok 1.4.2)
[10:30] <Hawkwind> amarok 1.4.2 is already available actually
[10:30] <Hawkwind> !amarok
[10:30] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[10:31] <pielgrzym> I have the lates version installed
[10:31] <trappist> Hawkwind: yeah but tomorrow there should be *official* packages
[10:31] <pielgrzym> and in various moments it freezes ;(
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: Those 'are' official packages actually
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: Those exact packages are the ones that go to kubuntu.org
[10:31] <pielgrzym> will amarok work better if I compile it on my sys?
[10:31] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: You have 1.4.2 installed already ?
[10:32] <pielgrzym> yes
[10:32] <trappist> Hawkwind: oh cool
[10:32] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: It's possible, but very hard to say
[10:32] <pielgrzym> from separate amarok repositories
[10:32] <pielgrzym> so now "sudo apt-get remove amarok", right?
[10:32] <trappist> pielgrzym: compiling it yourself doesn't automatically make anything work better - odds are you're better off trusting the (experienced) packagers
[10:33] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: http://pastebin.com/775185
[10:33] <pielgrzym> but it keeps hanging all the time :( I love this player, and have nothing but trouble :(
[10:34] <pielgrzym> I thought it will work better since the packaged version is for 386
[10:34] <pielgrzym> :)
[10:34] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: Just try it, but don't surprised when you notice no difference.
[10:34] <pielgrzym> hm
[10:35] <jkleinhans> lupine_85: why is IPV6 listed in lsmod?
[10:35] <trappist> pielgrzym: if you go out of your way to compile with cpu-specific optimizations, you might get a slight performance increase, but it's not likely to be nocticeable.  and compiling *on* your machine doesn't automatically optimize it *for* your machine.
[10:35] <Hawkwind> I'm not saying you won't.  It's just very possible that you won't
[10:35] <pielgrzym> :(
[10:35] <lupine_85> because ubuntu comes with ipv6 support enabled by default. It's not a problem :)
[10:35] <jkleinhans> ahh ok
[10:35] <lupine_85> okay, so the driver is loaded fine.
[10:35] <lupine_85> did it set itself up?
[10:36] <pielgrzym> is there any way to check what causes those freezes on my system?
[10:36] <pielgrzym> I actually installed linux mainly for this briliant app :)
[10:36] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: Have you run it from a terminal ?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> I suppose if you wanted to rebuild everything it could be done with apt-build world
[10:36] <pielgrzym> Hawkwind: no
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> (optimising the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS) then just pinning everything
[10:37] <Hawkwind> pielgrzym: You should try it.  It might or might not shed some light of when it freezes as to why
[10:37] <pielgrzym> Hawkwind: ok, I'll give it a try :)
[10:38] <pielgrzym> Hawkwind: I get a huge list of errors in cli
[10:39] <pielgrzym> !pastebin
[10:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:39] <venky> j #xgl
[10:39] <venky> oops
[10:39] <venky> my bad
[10:43] <pielgrzym> this is what I get in cli: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21576
[10:43] <danish_> can anybody tell about what open source software i can use to setup a webserver on windows and linux
[10:43] <Hawkwind> danish_: apache
[10:44] <danish_> i mean like first to setup the dns thing
[10:44] <dani_beginner> is there like a walkthru i googled it but couldn't find anything
[10:45] <Hawkwind> apache.org has great documentation
[10:45] <venky> i am a complete newbie with linux, and just experimenting at the moment,
[10:45] <dani_beginner> hawkwind: thx i will check it out
[10:46] <venky> but when i was installing kubuntu, i had the option of having the partition on which kubuntu goes, had the option of setting it to ntfs, is this right?.
[10:47] <lupine_85> if you don';t want something complicated, then there are lots of "small" http servers as well
[10:47] <cutepinkbunnies> hi lupine_85
[10:47] <cutepinkbunnies> any thoughts?
[10:47] <xunq> hi
[10:47] <xunq> i have aquestion
[10:47] <venky> i chose the format etc
[10:47] <venky> but just wondering,
[10:48] <josh___> can someone help me install realtek drivers?
[10:48] <venky> cause i heard there are problems with writing to ntfs partitions
[10:48] <xunq> realtek for what wifi
[10:48] <stoic> yes linux cant write to ntfs
[10:48] <venky> ok , so if next time, i have the partition on which kubuntu is installed as ntfs, would there be any prb?
[10:49] <xunq> is compiz for free i a newbie
[10:49] <stoic> ummm... yes...
[10:49] <xunq> yes?
[10:49] <stoic> you shouldnt even be able to install linux on an ntfs partition
[10:49] <stoic> hm, o xunq sorry that was to venky
[10:50] <venky> stoic: that's what i thought too, but when installing kubuntu, there was an option to choose the format of the partition,
[10:50] <venky> stoic: and ntfs was included
[10:50] <xunq> sorry but i dont speak good english:(
[10:50] <stoic> and xunq, if it is in your repositories, its usualy free
[10:50] <stoic> really?
[10:50] <venky> stoic: yes
[10:50] <alex___> hello everyone
[10:50] <xunq> thanks
[10:51] <alex___> any Acer Aspire 5672 owners here by any chance?
[10:51] <venky> stoic: from that list, i chose etc for the format of the partition for kubuntu,
[10:51] <stoic> thats extreamly akward... well maybe that has changed but that could cause alot of problems, why exactly do you need an ntfs partition?
[10:51] <josh___> omg i can't find it
[10:51] <venky> stoic: i don't really, but when i saw it there, i was confused,
[10:51] <josh___> there is no guide on how to install realtek drivers
[10:51] <stoic> well i wouldnt use it
[10:52] <stoic> use either ext3, or if you want compatibility w/ windows, i would use fat32
[10:52] <venky> stoic: fat32 for kubuntu?
[10:52] <alex___> any laptop users at all/
[10:52] <alex___> ?
[10:52] <stoic> yes, linuxx can be used on fat partitions
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> The new fuse based ntfs driver is supposed to be almost complete (latest knoppix uses it)
[10:53] <venky> stoic: currently my windows partition is ntfs, and my linux partitions are ext3
[10:53] <xunq> hm i have a another question i downloaded a theme from www.kde-look.org i will instal a theme and i become a error message: the file is not a valid KDM theme
[10:53] <venky> stoic: so in order to be able to write anything to my windows partition, i would need to have that as a fat32 format
[10:54] <stoic> no, you could still use an ext3 partition, but in order for windows to see it and be compatible with it you would want to use fat32
[10:54] <stoic> it would work one way not both
[10:54] <stoic> if you used ext3
[10:54] <lupine_85> cutepinkbunnies: have you tried assigning yourself a static IP and pinging the router that way?
[10:55] <fdoving> stoic, venky: there are some ext2/3 drivers for windows afaik. search google and you will find.
[10:56] <stoic> ok, well im sure fdoving is right, but if you wanted compatibility between the two in both directions, it would be easier to use fat32
[10:56] <venky> stoic: oh i see,
[10:56] <fdoving> stoic, venky: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[10:56] <xunq> i a newbie will try to instal xgl:D
[10:56] <venky> fdoving, tha's interesting, cheers
[10:56] <stoic> thankyou fdoving
[10:57] <venky> stoic: thank you also
[10:57] <stoic> not a problem
[10:57] <xunq> have anybody a link for xgl instalation with kde?
[10:57] <josh___> ok i've got a little thing here
[10:57] <stefano67> c'e qualche italiano?
[10:57] <josh___> what's the command for executing something
[10:58] <fdoving> !it > stefano67
[10:58] <xunq> slovensky magyarul deutsch?
[10:58] <josh___> i need to type in /home/josh/Desktop/realtek-linux-audiopack-3.5-6b.tar.bz2/install to install the sound drivers
[10:58] <josh___> but it says there's no command
[10:58] <stefano67> ok ciao fdoving
[10:58] <stoic> what are you trying to execute
[10:58] <stoic> josh
[10:58] <stefano67> conosci bene kubuntu?
[10:58] <venky> i installed kubuntu after removing suse 10.1, and i think, i am starting to like kubuntu more, particulary because of the documentation,
[10:59] <stoic> i find it easier to use than suse or redhat
[10:59] <Martijn81> !xgl > xung
[10:59] <fdoving> josh___: 'cd /tmp;tar -jxvf /home/josh/Desktop/realtek-linux-audiopack-3.5-6b.tar.bz2' cd to the directory it creates in /tmp and run install from there.
[10:59] <Martijn81> !xgl > xunq
[10:59] <stefano67> avevo bisogno di una dritta
[10:59] <fdoving> !it
[10:59] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:00] <fdoving> stefano67: please use english in here.. or go to #kubuntu-it -  thanks. :)
[11:00] <stefano67> grazie ciao a tutti
[11:00] <josh___> whaa?
[11:00] <lmosher> I hear a really weird and deep sound when I move windows around. What is that and how can I stop it?
[11:00] <venky> stoic: i am just wondering right, since i am used to using windows, where would i install third party apps, like in windows, i could choose a directory to install to, but when installing third party apps by say, building from source, i usually store them in my home directory, is this good practice?
[11:00] <stoic> yes thats ok
[11:01] <cutepinkbunnies> lupine_85: I get this when I try to configure a static IP SIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument
[11:01] <cutepinkbunnies> I'm on 10.0.0.x/24
[11:01] <venky> stoic: is that where you would place them also?
[11:01] <josh___> ok and where is the tmp directory
[11:01] <stoic> thats where i place them
[11:01] <ttyfscker> hi gnomefreak
[11:01] <venky> stoic: cool
[11:01] <fdoving> venky: that's OK practice. you can also put them in /usr/local or /opt for everyone on the system to have access to them.
[11:02] <ttyfscker> gnomefreak:: you ever gonna lift that ban on me?
[11:02] <lupine_85> what command are you using?
[11:02] <venky> fdoving: i was about to ask about the opt one, spoke my mind, cheers, ;-)
[11:02] <fdoving> venky: i place some of my bigger apps in /opt and a few small executables in /usr/local/bin
[11:02] <venky> ah i see
[11:03] <josh___> ok i have the temp directory here what now
[11:03] <josh___> i don't get it
[11:03] <lupine_85>  ? "sudo ifconfig <interface> 10.0.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255" ?
[11:04] <cutepinkbunnies> sudo ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.20 255.255.255.0
[11:04] <fdoving> ttyfscker: are you banned from here?
[11:04] <ttyfscker> no
[11:04] <josh___> !cd
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <ttyfscker> i probably will be when gnomefreak sees me
[11:04] <ttyfscker> he has something against me
[11:04] <josh___> !tmp
[11:04] <ttyfscker> he bans me from every channel he sees me in
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <stoic> shower time, brb
[11:05] <ttyfscker> i think he is just jealous because i know more than he does or something
[11:05] <fdoving> ttyfscker: ok, you probably did something stupid once then.. or something :)
[11:05] <ttyfscker> nah
[11:05] <ttyfscker> i just helped people in #ubuntu
[11:05] <fdoving> ok.
[11:05] <ttyfscker> and someone said my name and gave my #ubuntu tab a highlight
[11:05] <ttyfscker> i went and checked it out
[11:05] <manzuk> does anyone have a AMD64 and when using K7kernel the system doesnt turn off completely?
[11:05] <cutepinkbunnies> lupine_85: I still have linkquality of 0
[11:05] <ttyfscker> and i told them they were offtopic to join #linuxsociety
[11:05] <cutepinkbunnies> even though it is configured statically
[11:06] <ttyfscker> and he banned me for 48 hrs for being offtopic and knowing it
[11:06] <Untouch> does a german kubuntu exist ?
[11:06] <Untouch> kubuntu channel
[11:06] <ttyfscker> so then i told him to just go ahead and make it 48 days
[11:06] <aliasfred> !de
[11:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:06] <ttyfscker> and i cussed him quiet a bit too
[11:06] <Untouch> thanks
[11:06] <ttyfscker> because this was far from the first instance
[11:06] <lupine_85> if the link quality is the problem, it'll be that the drivers are low quality
[11:07] <fdoving> ttyfscker: ah.. well. not too smart was it? - but anyway i can understand your situation. ops should be like soldiers, they shouldn't fire unless neccessary.. triggerhappy ops doesn't do anyone any good.
[11:07] <QMario> What is wrong with the code on this webpage? http://thedailywtf.com/forums/40043/ShowPost.aspx
[11:07] <ttyfscker> fdoving:: right
[11:07] <ttyfscker> gnomefreak:: is the sorriest op i ever seen
[11:08] <lupine_85> but the ifconfig command you gave is not right, IIRC.
[11:08] <lupine_85> [22:03]  <lu "sudo ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255"
[11:08] <ttyfscker> he sets on his thrown not knowing sh*t bout ubuntu
[11:08] <ttyfscker> all you see him do is kick/ban people
[11:08] <aliasfred> ttyfscker: hmm ok
[11:08] <ttyfscker> never see him helping
[11:08] <ttyfscker> then someone like me that actually helps these people gets kicked..
[11:08] <Ash-Fox> !ppc
[11:08] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers, and now a fully supported Ubuntu architecture.
[11:08] <fdoving> ttyfscker: anyway. this is offtopic, you can complain in #ubuntu-ops if you want to.
[11:08] <aliasfred> ttyfscker: ok can you talk about that in -offtopic please
[11:08] <fdoving> nalioth: hey, that was unncessary.
[11:08] <aliasfred> nalioth: ?
[11:09] <Gwildor> nalioth, YOU FUCKING TURD!!
[11:09] <Gwildor> getting called a turd sux :P
[11:09] <DBO> fdoving, his conduct across several channels has been especially rude toward gnomefreak
[11:09] <aliasfred> nalioth: can you explain your kick ?
[11:09] <Ash-Fox> Forced part.
[11:10] <fluxbuntu> is there no CoC for this room?
[11:10] <fdoving> DBO: doesn't change the fact that he didn't do anything wrong in this channel.
[11:10] <Seveas> fluxbuntu, there is
[11:10] <aliasfred> there is a code of conduct
[11:10] <Seveas> Gwildor, should be reading it right now
[11:10] <aliasfred> and kicking without reason is not part of it
[11:10] <Ash-Fox> fluxbuntu, nalioth is currently conquoring.
[11:10] <Gwildor> nah, i dotn give a fuck....why handg out with assholes??
[11:10] <moises> hola
[11:10] <Gwildor> Seveas,
[11:11] <aliasfred> nalioth: can you please explain all those kick ?
[11:11] <nalioth> aliasfred: harsh language and personal attacks are against the CoC
[11:11] <josh___> this isn't making any sence!
[11:11] <fluxbuntu> sense*
[11:11] <aliasfred> nalioth: and unexplained kick too...
[11:11] <nalioth> ttyfscker is a known troll who has been banned from most of the other #ubuntu channels for the same behavior
[11:12] <aliasfred> nalioth: ok if it is the case, it is fine. but explaining before kicking is better. else other people in the room start to be afraid of being kicked for no reason if they dont know the reason
[11:12] <nalioth> Gwildor: language and personal attacks are agains the CoC
[11:12] <josh___> i unzipped the file and now i can't do anything with it
[11:13] <nalioth> aliasfred: i personally do not do much in the channel unless it is warranted
[11:13] <fluxbuntu> aliasfred it is called read the coc on the canonical website on the page about irc
[11:13] <Gwildor> nalioth well he didnt do anything....is kicking for no reason against the COC??
[11:13] <fluxbuntu> ash-fow hahaha
[11:13] <fluxbuntu> !conduct
[11:13] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[11:13] <fluxbuntu> gwildor read that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !rules
[11:13] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:13] <Gwildor> uhh, no
[11:13] <nalioth> Gwildor: if you'd been civil, you'd have been here for the reason
[11:14] <Gwildor> nalioth, sooooo, when are you going to answer why he got kicked???
[11:14] <Seveas> Gwildor, he answered it about 10 times now
[11:14] <Seveas> read.
[11:14] <DBO> Gwildor, he already did many times
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Gwildor: he got kicked for breaking the rules/coc if you read them it will explain alot
[11:14] <xunq> how can i find a slovak hungary irc chat?
[11:14] <Gwildor> umm, not between when he was kicked, and i was kicked he didnt
[11:14] <nalioth> Seveas: Gwildor was away on a /remove due to language and personal attacks
[11:14] <Hawkwind> !hu
[11:14] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu-hu
[11:14] <Gwildor> oooh, gnomefreak showed up, thats why
[11:14] <Gwildor> 2 people asked WHY he was kicked right after it happened./..
[11:15] <Gwildor> and....it wasnt answered when i was here
[11:15] <Gwildor> did he answer after i got kicked?
[11:15] <Hawkwind> Guys, shouldn't you all take this discussion out of the main help channel as to not interfere with those that need help
[11:15] <Seveas> indeed
[11:15] <Seveas> Gwildor, if you still don't understand, feel free to join #Ubuntu-ops
[11:15] <ralph1> Does anyone know where to go to get a fresh session for a user on restart? I have a problem on spouses machine where it is not takeing any input from keyboard and want to start her with fresh session.
[11:16] <fluxbuntu> gwildor actually gnomefreak told fdoving right before you left
[11:16] <aliasfred> Gwildor: nalioth explained that ttyfscker has an history of being impolite and have been banned from multiple ubuntu channel due to his behaviour
[11:16] <Hawkwind> Ughhhhhhhhh
[11:16] <Gwildor> ok...but, he didnt do anything this time....
[11:16] <Seveas> fluxbuntu, aliasfred: please stop offtopic talk
[11:16] <Hawkwind> Ya'll take it elsewhere, please
[11:16] <kubix> hola
[11:16] <Gwildor> he was kicked for no reason....for following th COC
[11:16] <nalioth> yes, #kubuntu-offtopic awaits all non support discussions
[11:16] <Hawkwind> ralph1: Are you asking about when logging into KDE ?
[11:16] <aliasfred> Seveas: as you wish
[11:16] <kubix> someone speak spanish?????????????
[11:16] <Hawkwind> !es
[11:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:17] <ralph1> Hawkwind: yes
[11:17] <xunq> german?
[11:17] <Hawkwind> ralph1: While KDE is *not* running do this:  mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old   as normal user, then start KDE
[11:17] <Hawkwind> !de
[11:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:17] <josh___> in the instructions it says: Step 2. Turn on sound support (soundcore module, default turn on), if i can hear sound doesnt that mean its alreadu on?
[11:18] <josh___> cuz i'm using the alsa drivers.
[11:18] <ralph1> Hawkwind: OK will try.
[11:18] <baldi^zZz> cu & gn8 @ll
[11:22] <Gwildor> u guys are fucking drunk!
[11:23] <Gwildor> get ur magnifying glass! BITHCES!!
[11:24] <alain> coucou
[11:25] <josh___> someone help
[11:25] <josh___> i have to do this
[11:25] <josh___> Step 3. Complied source code
[11:25] <josh___> 	a. cd alsa-driver-1.0.9b_1.
[11:25] <josh___> 	b. ./configure
[11:25] <josh___> 	c. make
[11:25] <josh___> 	d. make install
[11:25] <josh___> 	e. ./snddevices
[11:26] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[11:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:26] <Hawkwind> josh___: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[11:26] <josh___> i did configure and i'm supposed to type make but it says bad command
[11:26] <josh___> oh sry
[11:27] <fdoving> did you install the 'build-essential' package?
[11:27] <josh___> who me?
[11:27] <fdoving> yes, you.
[11:27] <josh___> uh where do u get that from
[11:27] <josh___> adept?
[11:28] <fdoving> yes.
[11:28] <Hawkwind> josh___: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:28] <josh___> oh ok
[11:28] <Danish_> hawkwind: i got vertrigo server which has apache mysql and everything but when i go http://localhost/ it asks me for username and password
[11:28] <Ace2007> bye
[11:28] <josh___> how do u ppl know that i need this stuff lol
[11:28] <fdoving> josh___: voodoo magic.
[11:28] <josh___> lol
[11:28] <josh___> ok
[11:28] <Hawkwind> josh___: We've been using the distro for a while and know how Linux works :P
[11:29] <Hawkwind> LOL @ voodoo magic
[11:29] <josh___> ~/alsa-driver-1.0.9b_26$  is what comes up
[11:29] <fdoving> it's much about the same :)
[11:29] <josh___> so i just type make right after that?
[11:29] <Hawkwind> We gave espN :P
[11:30] <Danish> hawkwind: could u answer my question plz
[11:30] <josh___> lol i couldn't even do the automatic install which sucks
[11:30] <Hawkwind> Danish: I've never heard of nor used vertigo.  I use what works which is apache
[11:30] <josh___> now i have to do manual
[11:30] <josh___> it just says to do manual install: ./install (wtf does that mean)
[11:30] <josh___> i mean automatic
[11:30] <Danish> hawkwind: well its apache server do u know why its asking me for password
[11:31] <Hawkwind> Danish: Nope.  By default apache itself doesn't ask for a password.  Again, I know nothing about vertigo though
[11:32] <Danish> hawkwind: i installed apache inself first and when i went localhost it asked me for a password so i got vertrigo which uses apahce too and it asks me the same thing
[11:33] <Danish> hawkwind: is the username admin@localhost or just 'admin'
[11:33] <josh___> k screw this i'll do the automatic install, it just says type ./install, but whats the command
[11:33] <josh___> is it cd or something
[11:34] <srdjant> won't it just be ./install ?
[11:35] <josh___> it says invalid command
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> if xserver 10.4 safe to install now??
[11:35] <josh___> if i type in ./install nothing happens
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> is*
[11:36] <josh___> this is all it says in the manual
[11:36] <srdjant> it either does nothing or tells you invalid command. which one is it, josh___ ?
[11:36] <josh___> for automatic install: exexute ./install
[11:37] <josh___> it says invalid command
[11:37] <srdjant> What exactly do you type in?
[11:40] <josh___> would you like me to send u the file?
[11:40] <monkeybirhd> i was installing kubuntu dapper and when it promted to reboot i rebooted it and grub just gave a 21 error, what do i do?
[11:40] <josh___> for the instructions
[11:40] <srdjant> how big?
[11:41] <josh___> like 2kb
[11:41] <josh___> its just the install manual
[11:41] <srdjant> :) pastebin
[11:41] <josh___> ok
[11:41] <josh___> last time i tried pastebin it timed out
[11:41] <srdjant> try rafb.net/paste/
[11:42] <josh___> http://rafb.net/paste/
[11:42] <josh___> ah there
[11:43] <monkeybirhd> i set it up with 2 hdds and the first  one was winxp, the second one had 10gb fat32 and 7gb for dapper with 400mb swap
[11:43] <srdjant> however it might be: 1) file does not have execute permissions; 2) you don't have permissions (need to run as root perhaps); 3) filesystem mounted noexec; 4) the file is a shell script that calls a program which you don't have
[11:43] <josh___> http://rafb.net/paste/results/IgeOFL57.html
[11:44] <josh___> maybe someone should do remote desktop and help me out
[11:44] <srdjant> i've never done remote desktop :0
[11:44] <josh___> gotta start somewhere
[11:44] <srdjant> try   # sh ./install
[11:45] <josh___> now what
[11:46] <josh___> it just went down to the next line and nothing happened
[11:46] <josh___> or did i do something wrong?
[11:46] <srdjant> no idea. maybe it finished ok.
[11:46] <josh___> don't think so
[11:46] <uwo> hi all - trying again, as it is annoying not knowing - my ipod is being recognised as a "camera" which means i get camera icons and camera choices of what to do with the mounted medium - even though it mounts to /media/ipod.... where is this set and how can i change this?
[11:47] <monkeybirhd> hello?
[11:48] <josh___> YAY!!!!!!
[11:48] <srdjant> worked?
[11:48] <josh___> oh god
[11:48] <monkeybirhd> zzzzz....
[11:49] <josh___> oh i think i need to do it as root
[11:49] <srdjant> monkeybirhd: I don't use grub (except just recently) so can't help you there. You could try searching on google to find out what error 21 means, and hopefully that will point you in the right direction.
[11:50] <monkeybirhd> ok
[11:50] <josh___> aww dammit
[11:50] <uwo> do people not know what i am asking or is just everyone willing to help busy? i have searched all to find this in any setting and in forums, but it must be somewhere (ipod being mounted as a "camera" and not removable disk or ipod or something more appropriate)
[11:52] <josh___> ok i'm updating alsa
[11:52] <josh___> to see what happens
[11:52] <srdjant> uwo: i dont know, but you can echo something in /sys that will make that device bind to the usb-storage driver
[11:53] <josh___> because pretty much everything it was trying to do in the installation would say missing file or directory
[11:53] <uwo> srdjant: thanks. will look into it
[11:53] <Bbetto> hi my ibook don eject the cd
[11:54] <josh___> *props* linux on an apple.
[11:55] <srdjant> uwo: i think i have the article from Linux Format mag... I can try searching and give you quick instructions (but i've not tried that stuff before so no idea if wi)
[11:55] <srdjant> it will work or not
[11:55] <Bbetto> yes linux on an apple
[11:56] <uwo> srdjant: am willing to try :)
[11:57] <Bbetto> how eject de cd in a ibook?
[11:58] <aliasfred> Bbetto: type 'eject' in a terminal
[11:58] <aliasfred> or 'sudo eject'
[11:59] <Bbetto> says is busy
[12:00] <aliasfred> because it is :) you would have to find who use it then
[12:00] <Bbetto> how?
[12:00] <aliasfred> i dunno, some code is using it
[12:00] <aliasfred> maybe a audio player
[12:01] <Bbetto> nop
[12:01] <aliasfred> maybe it is mounted
[12:01] <Bbetto> is a data cd
[12:01] <aliasfred> so it is likely mounted
[12:01] <aliasfred> and some people may be reading file on it
[12:01] <aliasfred> people=apps
[12:01] <aliasfred> man i have to share :)
[12:02] <aliasfred> i got thrown out and insulted by amarok dev for saying their product is good
[12:02] <aliasfred> i cant believe this :) and i went there because they had a bad reputation and i wanted to see
[12:02] <aliasfred> ok enougth, but i had to share :)
[12:03] <Bbetto> how i can desmounted de cd?
[12:03] <aliasfred> hmm try 'umount /dev/cdrom'
[12:03] <srdjant> uwo: you need tree installed
[12:03] <aliasfred> sudo umount /dev/cdrom <- with sudo in front
[12:04] <Bbetto> i need stoop the program that is running the cd
[12:04] <aliasfred> yep :)
[12:04] <Bbetto> but i don know how is?
[12:05] <Bbetto> hay algo que mantiene ocupado el cd, pero no se que es y eso no permite que lo expulse, como puedo saber
[12:05] <uwo> srdjant: the package tree? ("Displays an indented directory tree, using the same color assignments as ls, via the LS_COLORS environment variable.")
[12:05] <aliasfred> !es
[12:05] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:05] <srdjant> uwo: tree /sys/bus/usb/drivers/[driver_your_device_uses] 
[12:05] <srdjant> uwo: yes
[12:06] <aliasfred> Bbetto: would be easier i guess
[12:07] <srdjant> uwo: echo -n "1-1:1.0" [replace with the usb address of your device]  > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/[driver] /unbind
[12:07] <srdjant> uwo: echo -n "1-1:1.0" [replace with the usb address of your device]  > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb-storage/bind
[12:07] <srdjant> uwo: something like that
[12:08] <uwo> srdjant: am still by first tree - how do i know which driver (usb, usbfs?) - from fstab?