daniloskiko: that's "if preferred_only:... else" part, right?12:14
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daniloskiko: what would be the difference?12:15
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kikodanilos, my battery's about to go out12:17
kikoavoid the \12:17
daniloskiko: hum, I think it will only be longer with union() instead of |, but let me try :)12:18
kikouse parenthesis if necessary12:18
jordilaszlok: heya12:19
daniloskiko: line is still 83 chars12:19
kikodanilos, you can break the line using parenthesis12:19
kikoask matsubara how12:19
kikoor anyone else online12:19
laszlokjordi: hi12:19
daniloskiko: sure, will do12:20
jordilaszlok: ah I saw it. I was going to mail you tomorrow12:21
kikodanilos, I'm amazed at how crackful that code was12:21
jordilaszlok: is it the same template as always?12:21
kikodanilos, potview was used for absolutely nothing!12:21
kikodanilos, r=kiko12:21
daniloskiko: exactly :)12:21
laszlokjordi: yes, and some new po files as well12:21
jordiI wonder why it got stuck then12:21
daniloskiko: thanks a lot for your time, I know you're overworked on the sprint!12:22
kikono problem12:22
matsubaradanilos: take a look at this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad-reviews/2006-August/003537.html There Bjorn explains how to break long lines using the parenthesis12:24
danilosmatsubara: I've run into http://python.mirrors.ilisys.com.au/search/hypermail/python-1993/0094.html for the original idea :)12:24
danilosmatsubara: btw, I am having a different problem12:25
danilosmatsubara: it makes most sense to me to break it at ".union(" somewhere... emacs python mode gives me best indentation if I break before or after the dot12:26
danilosI have set(someexpression).union(otherexpression)12:26
danilosok, I've reverted back to | instead, and added parentheses around it, this allows me to break it up in the best way12:34
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matsubaradanilos: I'd probably break in set(12:49
matsubara    someexpression).union(otherexp)12:49
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jordilaszlok: all approved01:10
laszlokthanks jordi01:10
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carlosstub: Hi, around?08:30
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carlosmalcc: hi10:06
malcccarlos: Good morning!10:06
carlosmalcc: Could you confirm that soyuz tree has exactly the same patches than launchpad production server?10:06
carlosi asked for a cherry pick to block translations from universe but I keep getting Universe translations10:07
malcccarlos: I can confirm that it doesn't, cprov is currently managing the version on drescher10:07
jameshlifeless: do you think it would be good or bad to reset the "state age" column on pending-reviews if a branch gets assigned to a different reviewer?10:07
carlosthat sucks...10:07
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carlosmalcc: thanks for the info10:08
carloscprov: hi10:58
cprovcarlos: yup, hi10:59
carloscprov: Hi, I need that you apply r3946 in your buildd tree on production10:59
carlosStuart rolled out it on production and I thought he also manage that other server10:59
carlosit's the filter to prevent any translation upload for universe11:00
carloswe disabled it for Edgy, but the plan now is to ignore universe translations for Edgy too11:00
cprovcarlos: right, when do you need it ? nowish ?11:00
carlosyes, please11:01
carlosI mean, as soon as possible, but not right now11:01
carlosif you are busy11:01
cprovcarlos: give 20 minutes to finish an idea, I'm on sprint ;)11:01
cprovcarlos: ASAP, ok ?11:01
carloscprov: you have 20 minutes and an hour11:02
carlosas long as it's done today11:02
carlosis fine11:02
carloscprov: thanks11:02
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carlosdanilos: hi11:32
carlosdanilos: do you know that progress.gnome.org is down?11:32
carlosit's an offtopic...11:32
daniloscarlos: uhm, no, need to check that with ross, but I need to do some fixes in damned-lies first as well11:33
daniloscarlos: btw, I was heading out, and we can discuss this on #i18n on irc.gnome.org later :)11:33
cprovcarlos: RF 3946 cherrypicked in soyuz11:42
carloscool, thanks!11:42
elmois there already a bug about the fact that in a search for 'xorg-xserver', the package 'xorg-xserver' is hit 113/117 ?11:56
UbugtuNew bug: #57553 in rosetta "exported tarball's mapping.txt incomplete" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5755312:05
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kikoelmo, yeah, there is. that search SUCKS.12:22
UbugtuNew bug: #57557 in soyuz "binary publishing history is too confusing for words" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5755712:26
jordihm, this KDE email is getting long12:27
UbugtuNew bug: #57558 in soyuz "Trying to go from a source package to binary publishing history is impossible" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5755812:35
UbugtuNew bug: #57559 in soyuz "Problems with per version source package page" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5755912:40
lifelessjamesh: I'd rather not reset it12:43
jameshlifeless: okay.  I also fixed the bug that has caused mpt's branch to say it is 57 days old after just being added (haven't adjusted that branch though)12:44
lifelessjamesh: yippee, thanks12:44
jameshlifeless: I wasn't removing entries from the cache when the branch was removed from the wiki page12:44
lifeless(I dont want to reset itm, because its not measuring the reviewer, its measuring the team efficiency12:44
jameshlifeless: mpt had previously put that branch up for review 57 days ago, and it must have still been labeled needs-review when he merged and removed it12:45
lifelessthank you for tracking it down and fixing it12:45
carlosBjornT: hi, around?12:52
BjornThi carlos 12:52
carlosBjornT: could you apply the fix for https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/47511 in our zope tree?12:53
UbugtuMalone bug 47511 in launchpad "pagetests add ghost new lines to textareas" [Medium,Confirmed]  12:53
carlosBjornT: upstream fixed it last month12:53
carloshmm, well, they fixed it in Zope 3.3, not sure if it's easy to backport12:54
BjornTcarlos: i don't think it should be hard to backport the fix, i'll take a look at it this week.12:56
carlosBjornT: thank you12:56
jameshlifeless: apparently if you wanted to use your Dell laptop on a Qantas flight, they'd require you to remove the battery first01:03
lifelessso I'm told01:03
jameshall Dells, not just the cheap explosive variety01:03
elmohow are you meant to use a laptop on a plane without a battery JOOI?01:04
carlosdanilos: ^^^ Dude, you should think again whether you should get a Dell computer...01:06
jameshelmo: buy a first or business class ticket and plug it into the aircraft power supply01:06
carlosjamesh: I'm not quite sure, but I think some planes have a plug in tourist class01:07
lifelessits ok, mines really a samsung01:08
jameshcarlos: probably, but I haven't seen it on any Qantas flights01:08
carlosat least they have something like that kind of plug01:08
malcclifeless: Good luck explaining that to the cabin crew :)01:08
daniloscarlos: :)01:08
carlosbut you 'share' it between 3-4 seats01:08
lifelessmalcc: whats your asterisk audio quality like ?01:08
malcclifeless: Utterly unusable, and yours?01:08
elmomalcc: oh - can you try asterisk when you're at the hotel?01:08
lifelesspure crap01:08
jameshlifeless: you could try sticking a bit of gaffer tape over the logo01:08
danilosas for exploding batteries, just check the latest apple announcements :)01:09
lifelessmalcc: we have the same sounds car01:09
malccelmo: Ok, willdo01:09
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elmolifeless: oh really, it's a sound card issue and not a network  one?01:09
lifelesselmo: I'm gathering statistics01:09
carlosdanilos: they don't explote, they just 'grow' ;-)01:09
lifelesselmo: if you get malcc's working well, and hes a lot closer than I, then we can triangulate01:09
daniloscarlos: https://depot.info.apple.com/batteryexchange/index.html?lang=en ;)01:10
lifelessmalcc: have you tried the max_cstate poke ?01:10
lifelessmalcc: that may well be related01:10
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malccOk, it works much better from here01:11
lifelessoh, so might be network01:11
carlosdanilos: it doesn't explode, it just burn your house!01:11
daniloscarlos: yeah, it's obvious they're high quality :)01:12
jameshthey had the surprise spruker on The Chaser last week set up outside a place selling Dell laptops01:12
lifelessX1 is safe01:13
sivangwere there any reports of ThinkPads exploding?01:14
malccelmo, lifeless: Yes, I was able to get my voicemail successfully; I'll try again when I get home and confirm it's still busted from there, then we can blame my ISP01:15
danilossivang: never heard of explosions, but some batteries have been recalled: http://www.flash-mx.com/news/archives/000188.cfm01:20
danilossivang: like two years ago :P01:20
sivangdanilos: phew, and I'm also out of the region where they said the defective ones were spread :-)01:21
sivangdanilos: mine is only 7 months old01:22
danilossivang: they probably saved one of defective batteries just for you :P01:22
sivangdanilos: hey, that hurt. Apologize :-)01:23
sivangalthough it does reach interesting tempratures when working with ac/dc connected for a while...01:23
daniloshaha, never... hey don't pull me by my hair... :)01:23
jordisivang: danilo never apologizes :)01:23
jordihaha, see!01:24
danilosjordi: :)01:24
carlosjordi, danilos: So looks like the imports run 1000 entries/hour01:29
carloshmm, it's a bit slower now...01:30
jordicarlos: hm, that's gonna take ages01:31
carlosjordi: I guess at the end of tomorrow all automatic imports would be done...01:31
carlosedgy + 1 shouldn't have this problem as we do the imports as soon as the new package is uploaded...01:32
carlosjordi: well, I guess the right date would be Sunday, we have an OO.org import....01:32
carlosand that will take a lot01:32
daniloscarlos: well, it's too many of them anyway... it's slowing my email client to hell: I guess maildirs are not a good choice for 10k mails a day folders :)01:37
danilosI mean, 14k mails this night and morning :)01:37
carlosdanilos: perhaps is time for your 'evolution'.... :-P01:37
daniloscarlos: nah, I can switch over to different mail storage format instead, Gnus is still easier to hack on, and I'd have to write a couple of evo plugins first  :P01:38
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carlosdanilos: is there any backend for Gnus that uses indexed mail folders?01:39
carlosdanilos: in fact that's why I use evolution, because it's quite fast to handle my 2-3GB of email01:40
daniloscarlos: a couple :)01:40
daniloswell, I made a wrong choice a long time ago when I started using Gnus01:40
jameshdeveloper meeting in 20 minutes01:40
danilosand I have procmail rules which put everything into maildirs, which I read in from Gnus01:40
danilosand 200k mails x a couple of files per mail takes a while to read in on my slow hard drive :)01:41
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kikohey salgado 01:48
salgadomorning kiko!01:49
kikohow's it going01:49
salgadonot too bad, and you?01:50
SteveAjamesh: I just updated the agenda01:52
lifelessjamesh: please run the pending-reviews script01:53
jameshlifeless: it'd be in the middle of a run right now.  Do you want me to restart it?01:54
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jameshlifeless: okay.  It's running now.01:57
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danilosjamesh: no "bitte"? :)01:58
jameshdanilos: bitte?01:59
lifelessmmm, bitter01:59
jameshtime for the developer meeting02:00
jameshSteveA asked me to chair this week02:00
mptMEETING TIME (just in case you didn't hear)02:00
jameshso who is here?02:00
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jameshwho are we missing?02:01
jameshstu1: meeting time02:01
SteveAjordi: ?02:01
SteveAlifeless's attendance is optional02:02
SteveAsame for mpool02:02
jamesh * Roll call02:02
jamesh * Agenda02:02
jamesh * Next meeting02:02
jamesh * Activity reports02:02
jamesh * Actions from last meeting02:02
jamesh * Oops report (Matsubara)02:02
jamesh * Bug report report (mpt)02:02
jamesh * Production and staging (Stuart)02:02
jamesh * Launchpad 1.0 status reports02:02
jamesh * Sysadmin requests02:02
jamesh * Python demo status update (James H)02:03
jamesh * Approving new bug tags (Brad)02:03
jamesh * Kai shudas ieina ventilatoriu, (Steve)02:03
jamesh * Testing bazaar 1.0 (Steve)02:03
jamesh * (other items)02:03
jamesh * Keep, Bag, Change02:03
jamesh * Three sentences02:03
jameshso is the same time next week good for everyone?02:03
kikowhy not02:03
jameshthat's 31st August02:03
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jameshokay.  Who is up to date with activity reports02:03
SteveAnot me02:04
malccNot me, sprinting02:04
mptNot up to date, but I will catch up02:04
jameshI sent in a batched summary.  Will have to do better02:04
stubup to date02:04
malccWell, jogging02:04
flacosteup to date02:04
danilosup to date for this week, still behind for last one (need to send it out :()02:04
spivup to date02:04
cprovnot up to date, sprinting02:04
kikoexcept for sprinting, u2d02:04
salgadoup to date, iirc02:04
bradbup to date02:04
matsubaraup to date 02:04
BjornTup to date02:04
carlosup to date02:04
jameshis that everyone?02:05
jameshokay.  the only action from last meeting is "SteveA to update infrastructure specs if /$name is needed for 1.0"02:05
jameshSteveA: did that get done?02:06
SteveAjamesh: no I didn't do that02:06
jameshSteveA: okay.  Do you want the action left open?02:06
SteveAi should do it very soon02:07
jameshOn to the oops report with matsubara then.02:07
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 57474, 44871, 30602, 2497, 4226402:07
UbugtuMalone bug 57474 in launchpad "Passing a list as the query string in the product search field crashes ftq" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5747402:07
UbugtuMalone bug 44871 in launchpad "xmlrpc should return appropriate response for a GET" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4487102:07
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3060202:07
UbugtuMalone bug 2497 in rosetta "/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/249702:07
UbugtuMalone bug 42264 in rosetta "locale dependant segfault for dd" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4226402:07
matsubaraBug 57474 happens when a list is entered in the products/ search form, it crashes the ftq because the function isn't expecting more than 1 argument. stub, is that something that you should look at or is it some validation that should happen before reaching the ftq()?02:07
matsubaraI'd like to confirm that OOPS-228C810 is the same issue mentioned in bug 44871. I was able to reproduce the OOPS by entering the xmlrpc.launchpad.net address in a web browser.02:07
stubSome validation before reaching ftq02:07
matsubarastub: thanks02:08
stubSounds like a quoting issue (!)02:08
SteveAthat'll be UFD too02:08
SteveAstub: maybe... or maybe just a typing issue02:08
SteveAI mean, we're quoting a list rather than a string02:08
SteveAso we get quoted strings comma separated02:08
SteveAshould check though02:08
stubok. so not a sql injection attack.02:08
SteveAprobably not02:09
SteveAbest to check though02:09
SteveAaction -> stub?02:09
spivftq seems to be a recurrent problem02:09
daniloson bug 30602, I have a way forward on it (after discussions with kiko), but didn't yet find the time to work on it; I understand it's quite a common crasher, and I'm working on it (I have already collected timestamps for many OOPSes)02:09
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3060202:09
SteveAMeetingAction: stub to check that this isn't such an attack02:09
matsubararosetta guys, could you take a look at bug 42264? Someone added a comment there expecting you guys to look over it.02:10
UbugtuMalone bug 42264 in rosetta "locale dependant segfault for dd" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4226402:10
matsubaradanilos: thanks02:10
matsubaraBug 2497 is the second top time out in +translation. kiko, I suppose there is no news on it since you're sprinting, right?02:10
kikomatsubara, I don't think the rosetta guys can help much there yet02:10
UbugtuMalone bug 2497 in rosetta "/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/249702:10
stubspiv: This is the first bug on the *use* of ftq. Most bugs are in the ftq implementation itself, and that is because it has a tricky and shitty job to do (sanitize arbitrary input into a strict syntax)02:10
kikomatsubara, actually, I would like stub to comment or be assigned to that one. 02:11
UbugtuNew bug: #57565 in soyuz "Links to binary packages from versioned +source drop version" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5756502:11
kikoI'm basically expecting him to produce a cache table based on a trigger.02:11
stubAhh... I remember now. Assign it to me.02:12
kikomatsubara, can you do that?02:12
matsubarakiko: ok, I'll re-assign then.02:12
danilosmatsubara: on 42264, it's a general problem with translations: there are probably other ways to break them, and I suspect this one is upstream problem; I'll investigate anyway02:12
jameshmatsubara: anything more?02:12
matsubaraand add the details, etc etc02:12
matsubaradanilos: thanks again :)02:12
kikothanks matsubara -- if you need more info look at a thread on this that carlos just replied to this morning on launchpad-list02:13
matsubarajamesh: I'm done, thanks02:13
jameshmpt: can we have the bug report report?02:13
mptThere are 14 open Critical bugs in Launchpad. matsubara has already mentioned the oldest one. The next oldest 7 are:02:13
mpt * Bug #30264 (P-A-S support needs proper binary-only excludes), Critical, Confirmed, unassigned02:13
mptcprov, should that be assigned to you?02:13
UbugtuMalone bug 30264 in soyuz "P-A-S support needs proper binary-only excludes" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3026402:13
SteveAwhat does P-A-S mean?02:13
mpt * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, Confirmed, danilos02:13
mptdanilos, did you get the help you said last week that you needed? Or is that blocked on kiko sprinting?02:13
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3060202:13
mpt * Bug #35965 (exceptions in process-upload not communicated to uploader), Critical, In Progress, malcc02:14
mptmalcc, on track to fix it this week?02:14
UbugtuMalone bug 35965 in soyuz "exceptions in process-upload not communicated to uploader" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3596502:14
kikompt, I spent some time with him02:14
cprovmpt: I guess so, Package-Architecture-Specific02:14
danilosmpt: no, I did get enough help02:14
mptdanilos, no you didn't, or yes you did? :-)02:14
malccmpt: Possibly, I started a fix on Friday, but we haven't spent sprint time on it this week yet02:14
malccmpt: If not this week, soon once I'm home02:14
mptoh, no it's not blocked02:14
danilosmpt: I did :)02:14
mptmalcc, ok02:14
mpt * Bug #31308 (Cannot set branch associated to a product series), Critical, Confirmed, ddaa02:14
mptddaa, is the design finished? Who do you need input from?02:14
UbugtuMalone bug 31308 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot set branch associated to a product series" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3130802:14
jameshddaa is not here02:15
mpt * Bug #44214 (We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path), Critical, Confirmed, carlos02:15
mpt * Bug #46982 (Rosetta does not accept correct KDE plural forms when there are more than 2), Critical, Confirmed, carlos02:15
mptcarlos, should danilos get one of those to share the load?02:15
UbugtuMalone bug 44214 in rosetta "We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4421402:15
UbugtuMalone bug 46982 in rosetta "Rosetta does not accept correct KDE plural forms when there are more than 2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4698202:15
mptand finally02:15
mpt * Bug #48860 ("Also notified" makes difficult to unsubscribe), Critical, In Progress, bradb02:15
mptbradb, this is making people say things like "I'm marking each new mail from launchpad to be spam, and I'll never ever [again make]  the mistake of submitting a bug". So, eh, how's it going? :-)02:15
UbugtuMalone bug 48860 in malone ""Also notified" makes difficult to unsubscribe" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4886002:15
carlosmpt: well, danilo's load is higher than mine...02:15
bradbmpt: Mailed ubuntu-devel yesterday to get more information about how this should work.02:16
SteveAmaybe danilo has multiple processor cores?02:16
danilosmpt: I don't think carlos will manage to finish them until next week meeting, so if needed, we can share the load next week :)02:16
bradbwill followup on the responses today02:16
danilosSteveA: :)02:16
mptdanilos, ok02:16
jameshmpt: for what it is worth, there is general agreement on how to solve 31308 now.02:16
SteveAbug 3130802:16
UbugtuMalone bug 31308 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot set branch associated to a product series" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3130802:16
mptall right, that's all from me jamesh 02:16
carlosmpt: I'm planning to work on 44214 next week. And that one defered #46982, because appeared again with Edgy translations02:16
mptthanks carlos02:16
carlosdanilos: if you have time, that would be really helpful02:16
daniloscarlos: sure, lets discuss it after the meeting02:17
jameshstub: how are production and staging looking?02:17
carlosdanilos: sure02:17
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stubNothing unusual happening on production.02:17
stubRosetta translations have been opened for edgy02:17
stubThere has been, or will be, some downtime before friday when the librarian is taken offline to move the server.02:18
SteveAstub: was the librarian error page patch okey wit hyou?02:18
stubSo for one hour, any launchpad code that gets a Librarian exception will display a custom error page steve implemented last night02:18
spivOh, good idea.02:18
SteveAas a side-effect of that, we're not displaying browser notifications on error pages any more02:19
carlosstub: you will need to disable poimport/export scripts or we will be spammed...02:19
stubI don't know the actual scheduled time, or even if it has been scheduled - the admins will likely take things down and start them up again so I don't need to be involved.02:19
SteveAbecause "Thank you for your comment" along with "the libarian is down, so we threw your comment away" was not good02:19
SteveAand the same is true of notifications in general -- we can't tell whether the thing in question was done or not02:19
mpt"Thank you for your worthless contribution"02:19
stubcarlos: bad spam? Or just 30 or so emails?02:20
carlosstub: I think one every 10 minutes or so02:20
jameshcarlos: and it'll put the tracebacks in the librarian? :)02:20
danilosstub, carlos: like 10k messages, no?02:20
carlosjamesh: :-P02:20
jordisounds more like 10k yes :)02:21
jameshstub: anything more to add?02:21
stubstaging has been locking up, I believe due to language pack exports chewing up too many resources. This indicates tuning is required on the staging db, but I will get carlos a different database to use if I have enough disk space on carbon (not sure if the disk array is online yet)02:21
stubThat is all02:21
carlosstub: yeah, we are now exporting another language pack... so the process takes much more time02:21
jameshLaunchpad 1.0 status reports.  Who's first?02:22
bradbi'll go02:22
bradbMalone 1.0 status02:22
bradbRelease Management: In review.02:22
bradbBug tags: Most of the last week has been spent on bug tag code reviews, in between other tasks, unrelated to 1.0.02:22
bradbDocumentation: No progress.02:22
bradbGuided filebug: No progress, but I (Brad) am returning to that task now that release mgmt is in review.02:22
bradbKeeping bugs concise: No work done, but the only task left is comment collapsing, and do we actually plan to do that for 1.0?02:22
SteveAUI infrastructure: good progress.  more details in an email to the list later.02:23
mptbradb, I thought that was the *only* part of it02:23
salgadoQuestion Tracker 1.002:23
salgado- SupportTrackerKarma is implemented and reviewed. I'll probably land it today02:23
salgado- Localization has been dropped as a 1.0 target.  I need to finish rearranging this into other specs so that we can decide what will be a 1.0 goal and what's not02:23
salgado- New Workflow: Still waiting for kiko's review of the spec. Search on creation is up for review.02:23
salgado- Support Tracker Views: Waiting completion of New Workflow.02:23
danilosRosetta 1.0:02:23
danilos- opening edgy for translation: DONE! waiting for packages to update POTs, and announcement pending!02:23
danilos- firefox import/export: good progress (class for importing XPI files mostly done)02:23
danilos- oo import/export: blocked on firefox02:23
danilos- translation review: finishing basic UI changes (functionality not started yet)02:23
danilos- essential docs: sabdfl assigned to danilos, need to discuss with jordi02:23
danilos- outstanding issues: none02:23
salgadoRandom Things 1.002:23
salgado- KarmaContext is implemented and in production.02:23
salgado- PersonCreationRationale is on kiko's queue, waiting for input from him.02:23
salgado- DirectPersonRegistration doesn't even have a spec written, so it's not on track.02:23
jameshdo we have one for Soyuz?02:23
malccSoyuz 1.0: Good progress on PPA design, and on tidying. Reminded how bad a lot of Soyuz is, so more de-crackification and testing improvements are now also on the radar for 1.002:23
kikowe do, one sec.02:23
bradbmpt: A look at the spec shows that there are other parts of it.02:24
jameshokay.  Outstanding sysadmin requests02:24
malccNone here. All hail the sysadmins :)02:25
jameshdanilos: are you still waiting on your voip account?02:25
danilosRosetta 1.0 missing entry (thanks carlos): - poimports: implementation of better checks not yet started02:25
danilosjamesh: nope, done!02:25
mptbradb, ok, I'll ask you about that after the meeting02:25
danilosjamesh: so, no sysadmin requests now :)02:25
bradbmpt: ok02:25
jameshPython demo status update.02:25
jameshamk took a preliminary look over the trackers.  When trying to register his PGP key to try out the mail interface, he ran into troubles02:26
jameshI think he ran into bug 3313 and am trying to get a bit more information from him02:27
UbugtuMalone bug 3313 in launchpad "gpg key validation: cryptogram has crc error (!)" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/331302:27
jameshnothing else to report.02:27
jameshon to Approving new bug tags with bradb02:27
SteveAsee if you can get help from ian jackson reproducing it02:27
SteveAseeing as he reported the bug02:28
bradbfor tags, same two as last week02:28
bradbexample bugs updated02:28
SteveAI see there's a new example for the sabdfl bug.02:28
kikojamesh: could it be an encoding issue?02:28
SteveAI don't see how labeling mark's interest in the bug is very significant on these ones02:28
SteveAfor the search one, stub, do you have an opinion?02:29
jameshkiko: maybe.  But PGP armor text is straight ascii02:29
stubSteveA: As I said last time, I don't think the search one is particularly useful.02:29
bradbSteveA: mainly because I give sabdfl-ish things an implicit high priority02:29
kikojamesh, on the original content, I meant02:29
danilosbradb: can we please have a link to https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs when you start, I always forget if it's LaunchpadTags or whatever ;)02:29
SteveAok, let's reject the search one.02:30
SteveAbradb: continue using the sabdfl tag if you want to, but I don't want to make it "official"02:30
jameshkiko: this is for decrypting a block of text -- you can't really transcode that without decrypting it02:30
matsubaradanilos: ++102:30
SteveAthanks for the suggestion danilo02:31
bradbSteveA: does that mean the sabdfl tag is rejected?02:31
SteveAleave it pending for one more week02:31
bradbdanilos: yeah, sorry, will do next time02:31
bradbSteveA: ok02:31
SteveAwe'll see if any more compelling uses come up02:31
danilosbradb: np, thanks02:32
jameshKai shudas ieina ventilatoriu, (Steve)02:32
danilosis this something with fans and air-conditioning? :)02:32
jameshI have no idea what that means, so I'll let SteveA explain it02:32
SteveAshudas is lithuanian for poo02:32
SteveAventilatorius is lithuanian for fan02:32
SteveAand ieiti is the verb to go into02:32
sivangpoo into the fan?02:32
SteveAthis is to introduce the topic of planning for disasters and bad stuff happening02:33
danilos"what poo goes into the fan?"02:33
malccsivang: I'd rather not02:33
jameshwhen the shit hits the fan02:33
sivangmalcc: hehe02:33
sivangjamesh: right02:33
SteveAI don't want us to discuss this at length during this meeting02:33
SteveAbut i'm going to put up a wiki page for the launchpad project to note disaster scenarios on, and comment on them02:33
danilosyou just want us to put some poo around to have ready for when fan starts working? :)02:33
SteveAdetails to follow in an email02:33
mptsivang, danilos, it's an English expression for "when things go really bad". See also "when things turn to custard". (Even though custard is usually quite nice.)02:34
SteveAor "go pear-shaped"02:34
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jameshokay.  Next is Testing bazaar 1.0 with SteveA02:34
danilo_mpt: yeah, I know, thanks :)02:34
SteveAme again!02:34
sivangbradb: ouch02:34
danilo_(crappy IRC)02:35
SteveAso, the bzr guys are getting ready to release 1.002:35
SteveAit's faster and better and has lots of other improvements02:35
SteveAI want us to test out this new bzr02:35
jameshshould we switch back to a nightly builds repository then?02:36
SteveAso, there will be a new apt archive just for launchpad developers to use set up early next week02:36
SteveAthe idea will be that all developers will point at this archive (one for dapper, one for edgy)02:36
danilos(I was just going to ask about a repository, great to hear that)02:36
SteveAin this archive there will be launchpad-dependencies, and also the bzr stuff to test02:36
jameshSteveA: would be good to get compatible versions of plugins we need to use in the repository too (e.g. pqm-submit)02:37
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jameshnext is Keep, Bag, Change02:38
malccKeep: Novotel snacks, Bag: Novotel beds02:38
SteveAmpool is arranging this. 02:38
SteveA(sorry... got disconnected)02:38
danilosmalcc: Novotel snacks are dangerous for you health ;)02:38
SteveAemail about the bzr stuff to appear on the list next week.02:39
danilosSteveA: <jamesh> SteveA: would be good to get compatible versions of plugins we need to use in the repository too (e.g. pqm-submit)02:39
SteveAjamesh: yes, there will be compatible plugins.02:39
danilosah, ok :)02:39
malccdanilos: I know, the day we had scones with clotted cream, I was bouncing off the ceiling with the sugar rush :)02:39
jameshThree sentances02:39
mptDONE: planning, bug fixes02:39
mptTODO: Web interface work, some kind of spec for LP outage presentation02:39
mptBLOCKED: no02:39
BjornTDONE: bug triage. code reviews. some work on bug forwarding workflow.  fixing up reviewed branches.02:39
salgadoDONE: Wrote a bunch of tests and fixes for shipit; code review; cleaned up a lot of things on GPG/SSH related code, wrote proper tests for it and started fixing the API of GPGHandler02:39
salgadoTODO: Get my GPG/SSH fixes reviewed and land them; code review; finish rearranging specs related to LocalizedSupportTracker; write the DirectPersonCreation one and, if possible, start implementing PersonCreationRationale02:39
salgadoBLOCKED: Need input from kiko on PersonCreationRationale02:39
malccDONE: Sprinted on PPA design, various Soyuz tidyups and testing improvements.02:39
malccTODO: Finish sprint, lots more tidying up and test improvement.02:39
malccBLOCKED: No.02:39
BjornTTODO: fix bugs. more work on bug forwarding workflow.02:39
jameshDONE: code reviews, sftp server fix to not require --create-prefix when pushing02:40
jameshbranches, land product-release-finder fixes, bug link fixes, answer questions w.r.t. Python bug tracker comp.02:40
jameshTODO: code reviews, make product-release-finder not crash if ProductRelease alre02:40
jameshady exists, answer questions w.r.t. Python bug tracker comp.02:40
jameshBLOCKED: no02:40
flacosteDONE: vacation, handle linking to private bugs, submit buglinktarget branch for review02:40
flacosteTODO: fix bug 52671, work on SupportTrackerWorfklowSpec02:40
UbugtuMalone bug 52671 in launchpad-support-tracker "Support contact implementation shortcomings" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5267102:40
flacosteBLOCKED: work on SupportTrackerWorfklowSpec is waiting on kiko's approval of the spec and review of the initial tt-search work02:40
BjornTBLOCKED: no02:40
matsubaraDONE: fixed #30370, bug triage, reported lots of bugs, oops analysis, support ticket gardening02:40
matsubaraTODO: finish #50816 and #57152, more of the same (oops analysis, triage and fixes)02:40
matsubaraBLOCKED: no02:40
kikoDONE: sprint02:40
kikoTODO: go back and catch up02:40
danilosDONE: pqm-submit 2237, fixed 3986 (pending review), bug 30602 stats/direction, firefox import work, user support, rosetta imports discussion02:40
danilosTODO: bug 30602, ff-import, bug fixing02:40
danilosBLOCKED: no02:40
bradbDONE: Put release management up for review. Some discussions and bug fixing.02:40
bradbTODO: Land release management. Bug fixing. Guided filebug.02:40
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3060202:40
kikoBLOCKED: no02:40
bradbBLOCKED: No.02:40
carlosDONE: Edgy translations, TranslationReviews, Some tasks related to the Ubuntu Translation Team Coordinator position, Meeting about language packs for universe and trivial code changes related to it, bug #80 merge, bug #40550, bug #44214 workaround, Handled small problems raised with Edgy migration.02:40
carlosTODO: TranslationReviews, bug #44214, perhaps #40550 and handle any Edgy imports issues we get.02:40
carlosBLOCKED: No02:40
UbugtuMalone bug 80 in rosetta "cannot see who put in bad translation" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/8002:40
spivDONE: bzr smart server, reviews02:40
UbugtuMalone bug 40550 in rosetta "Further filtering options for the Queue" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4055002:40
spivTODO: bzr smart server, reviews02:40
spivBLOCKED: no02:40
stubDONE: Bug fixes, ran edgy translation opening02:40
stubTODO: Bug fixes, name blacklist02:40
stubBLOCKED: nope02:40
UbugtuMalone bug 44214 in rosetta "We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4421402:40
SteveADONE: ui sprint, ui work, management02:40
SteveATODO: more of the same02:40
SteveABLOCKED: no02:40
cprovDONE: Soyuz Sprint02:41
cprovTODO: more Sprint, land ArchiveRework and other redesigns (before we change our mind)02:41
cprovBLOCKED: no02:41
jameshjordi: do you have 3 sentances prepared?02:41
SteveAI think jordi isn't here02:41
jameshMeeting ends02:42
jameshthanks everybody02:42
SteveAthanks james, great meeting-chairing.02:42
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mptbradb, so I wrote KeepingBugsConcise and I've just reread it, and I see two things in there: (1) make the description directly editable in the page, and (2) make comments collapsible. The latter is most of it. Have you implemented just the former?02:42
salgadokiko, can you have a quick look at https://launchpad.canonical.com/PersonCreationRationale?  there's one question there that I bet you can answer in less than 2 minutes!02:44
kikosalgado, maybe if you keep reminding me02:44
bradbmpt: Neither, but kiko did some work on collapsing the description on the bug page.02:44
kikobradb, mpt: I have a branch that fixes that, but I can only land it on monday02:44
jameshsalgado: gar.  I missed that you had a blocked item02:45
bradbkiko: I can land it today, if you feel like handing it off.02:45
mptbradb, so not for 1.0 then, I guess.02:45
kikobradb, I don't have it here with me :-(02:45
bradbkiko: ok, no worries02:45
mptIt sorta kinda depends on BugHistory anyway02:46
bradbmpt: I'm guessing comment collapsing isn't for 1.0, though uncertainty is why I raised the question.02:46
kikoI do description collapsing and identical comment omission.02:46
kikothat's all02:46
jameshflacoste: looks like you're now blocked on me reviewing your branch.02:46
salgadojamesh, you can help me, by bothering kiko to look at that spec when I'm not awake, though. :)02:46
jordithree sentences always comes when I had to stand up02:46
jordiwho should I send them?02:46
mptjordi, me02:47
jameshsalgado: aren't you generally awake when he's awake?02:47
salgadojamesh, not when he's in london and I'm in brazil02:47
jameshsalgado: fair enough02:47
flacostejamesh: indeed, btw that branch contain the view that still uses form.FormBase02:48
jameshflacoste: okay.  Will be interesting to see what you're doing then.02:48
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jordimpt: done02:50
flacostejamesh: do you know when you'll have time for the review? it's somewhat a bug patch02:50
flacoste(that was an interesting lapsus anyway)02:50
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jameshflacoste: I've also got ddaa's one to review.  I'll see if I can start it tomorrow though.02:56
flacostejamesh: ok, thanks!02:56
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jameshflacoste: re: not using tabindex="1", try tabbing through https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+filebug02:58
flacostejamesh: yes, your explanation made perfect sense, I forgot that tabindex was a javascript hack anyway02:59
salgadospiv, around?03:01
jgihello everyone03:02
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jgiI just read the FAQ but i'm still wondering what's the best way to add a new translation for a given template? Is it upload a .po file that is the same file than the template renamed to the new language?03:03
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stubWho do I assign a launchpad-dependancies bug to?03:12
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SteveAstub: yourself, perhaps03:20
SteveAwe need someone to take care of these requirements from the launchpad side03:20
SteveAand, i think you're best placed, for using these in production03:20
SteveAwhat do you think?03:21
sivangstub, SteveA : I'm hapy to give a hand where needed03:21
SteveAthere's a meeting happening tomorrow to determine exactly who is maintaining the packages for these03:21
SteveAafter mark, mpool and I discussed this this morning03:21
stubSteveA: I'll assign it to you then to reassign when it is decided ;)03:21
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UbugtuNew bug: #57571 in malone "Oops when a Launchpad Admin sets a bug contact" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5757103:55
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BjornTsalgado: ping04:51
salgadoBjornT, pong04:51
BjornTsalgado: are there any bug numbers for the bugs you fixed in you ssh-and-gpg-fixes branch?04:52
salgadoBjornT, no, but I can get some oops ids if you like04:53
kikoBjornT, all the oopses that happened this week on +editsshkeys.04:53
kiko(are salgado's fault :-P)04:53
salgadobut the lack of tests is not. :P04:54
BjornTsalgado: oops ids would be good, so i can see what you were supposed to fix.04:54
salgadoso, it's not possible to add a spec of product Foo as a dependency of a spec of product Bar.  should I file a bug about this or the fact that I need to do this is just a consequence of the misuse of products to represent the launchpad subsystems?04:56
kikosalgado, a bug.04:57
salgadoBjornT, actually, I think the only one we have an OOPS for is OOPS-234B160 04:58
BjornTsalgado: thanks05:00
BjornTsalgado: btw, bug 355205:00
UbugtuMalone bug 3552 in blueprint "No way to cross-link specs across products" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/355205:00
salgadoah, cool. thanks BjornT05:01
fabbionekiko: consigliere!05:21
fabbionego down to glibc 05:21
fabbioneglibc    Ubuntu Dapper    2.3.6-0ubuntu1205:21
fabbioneclick the version link05:21
fabbione^^^ 40405:21
Keybuk404 just means it's a very recent OOPS05:21
fabbione404 is related to the OOPS05:22
fabbionethe generated URL is wrong05:22
fabbionethere is a $releasename too much05:22
matsubarafabbione: I think it's known bug, let me check05:33
fabbionematsubara: ok thanks05:33
matsubarafabbione: bug 5039905:35
UbugtuMalone bug 50399 in soyuz "Broken links at /people/$person/+packages" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5039905:35
matsubaraKeybuk: the 404 in the oops.cgi is bug 57458 btw05:36
UbugtuMalone bug 57458 in launchpad "oops.cgi crashes when entering a non-existent OOPS id." [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5745805:36
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UbugtuNew bug: #57587 in malone "+bugcontact page has misleading information" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5758705:45
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luopiohiya. Is it possible to completely remove branches in Launchpad? I succeeded in creating a branch (or two) without a "product" and I'd love to get rid of them now :)06:10
kikoluopio, not yet, but can you file tickets for the product and the branch removal?06:12
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luopiokiko: ok, by tickets you mean a bug?06:20
luopioor a support request?06:20
kikoluopio, support request06:20
luopiokiko: ok. thanks. should I file it under the launchpad product or follow some other guidelines?06:22
kikoluopio, the launchpad product is fine. I'll look at it on monday when I get back home.06:22
luopiook. thanks!06:23
kikomost welcome06:27
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carlosBjornT: hi, around?07:36
BjornTcarlos: yeah07:36
carlosBjornT: I wonder if there is a way to get tags like 'dir' or 'rows' in our pagetests using browser.getControl ?07:37
carlostalking about a textarea07:37
kikocarlos, those are attributes07:38
carlosright, wrong term07:38
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BjornTcarlos: hmm, i don't think so. you could easily get it using BeautifulSoup, though07:41
carlosBjornT: is there any example or documentation about it?07:41
carlosI have never used BeautifulSoup07:41
salgadocarlos, there are some tests using it in our tree, just grep and you should get a bunch of examples07:42
BjornTcarlos: http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html07:43
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carlosBjornT: BeautifulSoup rocks!08:25
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Spadsgood old Leonard08:26
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UbugtuNew bug: #57621 in launchpad "LaunchpadFormView.focusedElementScript should handle field prefix itself" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5762110:36
jkakarIs the delay between making changes to a bug and getting an e-mail about it intentional?11:04
matsubarajkakar: yes11:06
salgadojkakar, yes, so that we can group multiple notifications into a single one11:06
salgadomultiple changes made in a short period of time into a single notification, that is11:07
jkakarmatsubara, salgado: Thanks.  It's as I expected.  Sometimes it feels a bit long, but I have noticed (and appreciated) e-mails that mention multiple changes at once.11:08
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