[02:10] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[02:10] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi guys
[02:11] <LaserJock> how goes it today?
[02:13] <Madpilot> good
[02:15] <Burgundavia> so I got a new position today at work today "Community Manager"
[02:16] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so  you're Userful's answer to Jono? ;)
[02:16] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:16] <jsgotangco> ho ho ho
[02:17] <Madpilot> something tells me "Community Manager" translates to "Guy Who Won't Shut Up About Open Source..." ;)
[02:17] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[02:17] <Burgundavia> but I actually got so buy in, finally
[02:17] <Burgundavia> s/so/some
[02:20] <LaserJock> you're staying?
[02:20] <LaserJock> and is there a Community to manage?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> yes and I get to create one
[02:21] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so does "Community Manager" come with a raise, or just a new set of business cards?
[02:22] <LaserJock> heh
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:22] <Burgundavia> I hope the former but am not certain. The latter almost certainly
[02:22] <LaserJock> that's cool
[02:23] <Burgundavia> and I have some code that Edubuntu will care about, ready in a few days
[02:23] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[02:25] <Burgundavia> the code is ready, I just need to sort the tarball out and get the licence file added and the CVS dir removed
[02:25] <Burgundavia> talk about babes in the woods'
[02:25] <LaserJock> ahhh
[02:25] <LaserJock> I'll look forward to seeing it
[02:25] <Madpilot> another in-house project lurching out under the GPL?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I hope to have you package it. Sorry, but my budget ($0) does not allow me to pay you this time
[02:25] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[02:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: hehe
[02:26] <crimsun> "this time"?!
[02:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: ssshhhh
[02:26] <LaserJock> ;-)
[02:26] <Burgundavia> crimsun: userful paid LaserJock some funny for packaging some of closed-source junk
[02:26] <jsgotangco> he did some underground work
[02:26] <crimsun> supar sekrit.
[02:26] <LaserJock> you know it
[02:26] <crimsun> no wonder you're a raging ubuntu-aholic motu.
[02:26] <Burgundavia> in dapper-updates, mutiverse, desktop-multiplier
[02:27] <crimsun> I think I'll just give up like bddebian and make you do all the work.
[02:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:27] <Burgundavia> you know what is sad about Userful. AFAIK, I am the only full time Linux user at the company
[02:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: no way, I made a list today of all the Ubuntu related projects. I count 10 presently
[02:27] <jsgotangco> the "we're not packaging anything that is non-free till you pay me" group
[02:27] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: my list of things I have rights over is scarily long
[02:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: that's all? :)
[02:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, some are not very easy projects
[02:28] <LaserJock> I need to implement a spec this week :-)
[02:28] <Burgundavia> the menu one?
[02:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:29] <LaserJock> I think I've got a pretty good idea of what I want to do
[02:29] <LaserJock> and it's actually pretty close to an app called desktop-profiles
[02:29] <Burgundavia> sabayon needs to understand merging profiles and hierarchies of profiles
[02:30] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yes, I contacted one of the sabayon devs and he pretty much said it would be very difficult and there are presently no developers for sabayon
[02:30] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:30] <LaserJock> so I don't think I can handle that myself
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Jorge and I were lamenting about this all week
[02:30] <LaserJock> I do think sabayon is a pretty cool app though
[02:31] <LaserJock> they have firefox and openoffice integration too I believ
[02:31] <LaserJock> e
[02:31] <Burgundavia> somewhere, but that has not seen the light of day
[02:31] <LaserJock> so the profiles can handle a large amount of data
[02:31] <Burgundavia> KDE and GNOME developers need to merge gconf/kconfig
[02:31] <Burgundavia> not that crackish dconf, just a straight merge
[02:32] <LaserJock> I was going to look at kiosktool today but it doesn't work in edgy very well as it need a root password
[02:32] <LaserJock> and I don't feel like creating root :-0
[02:32] <LaserJock> :-) I mean
[02:32] <crimsun> you can ask pitti for pointers. He went on a derooting rampage for Hoary.
[02:32] <LaserJock> I was going to get Hobbsee to do it but maybe that would work too
[02:33] <LaserJock> right now I'm trying to figure out why vnc doesn't seem to work in edgy
[02:33] <LaserJock> if it isn't one thing its another, no wonder I can't get anything done
[02:34] <Madpilot> LaserJock, you are running a testing release, did you expect to get anything done except testing? ;)
[02:34] <LaserJock> kinda, yeah
[02:35] <Madpilot> optimist
[02:35] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:35] <LaserJock> well it's hard to work on a spec when you have to fix all the bugs in the distro before you can get to work
[02:35] <Madpilot> has a release date for Knot2 been given?
[02:36] <crimsun> not that I'm aware.
[02:36] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was supposed to be a while ago
[02:36] <Madpilot> OK. Might pull the Knot1 LiveCD down, then, and poke around a bit
[02:36] <LaserJock> brave man
[02:37] <Burgundavia> bloody gpm
[02:37] <Burgundavia> gave me about 30 secs of warning beofre the power shutdown
[02:38] <jsgotangco> im not touching edgy till the next knot
[02:39] <jsgotangco> upgrading is not an option either my my pathetic dsl
[02:39] <Burgundavia> any idea when that might be?
[02:40] <Burgundavia> I really need to finish the Knot2 page
[02:50] <jsgotangco> its pretty sketchy, the dailies have always been oversized lately
[02:50] <jsgotangco> but the aim i guess is to have a stable installer and fix the deps later
[02:50] <Burgundavia> hey mdke
[02:51] <LaserJock> kinda hard to test oversized .isos though
[02:51] <jsgotangco> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[02:51] <jsgotangco> yuck
[03:02] <jsgotangco> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/197962004.html
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hah
[03:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, giant casemod!
[03:03] <jsgotangco> heck yeah
[03:03] <jsgotangco> you will need a truck to pick it up though
[03:10] <Madpilot> Some kid just got attacked by a cougar...
[03:10] <Madpilot> In socialist British Columbia, pussy eat YOU!
[03:11] <LaserJock> heh
[03:11] <Madpilot> actually, the kid's at home recovering, so it was just a nibble, I guess
[03:13] <jsgotangco> wow cougars still exist in that part of the world?
[03:14] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I used to hunt them with my brother in the mountains behind our house
[03:14] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:14] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, Vancouver Island is one of the last great strongholds of them
[03:14] <jsgotangco> dont they attack people?
[03:15] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, mostly small children
[03:15] <LaserJock> I've heard of a fair amount of attacks in California too
[03:15] <jsgotangco> ahhh food chain
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah, they really aren't that big
[03:15] <LaserJock> not like a bear or something
[03:15] <jsgotangco> the only thing i got to hunt before was wild boar
[03:16] <jsgotangco> and that's scary already
[03:21] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[03:21] <LaserJock> I've never done that, but I've seen a few videos
[09:00] <mdke> morning homies
[09:01] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[09:13] <nixternal> mornin' mdke ;)
[09:13] <nixternal> holy cow...2am already
[11:47] <glatzor> mdke: i have corrected the translation of dekstop guide. i will upload it this evening. but i have to fetch my bus. just to inform you.
[01:08] <mdke> bhuvan: the commit hook has been added and Ive requested that a bot be added to this channel
[01:09] <bhuvan> oh great, thank you!
[01:11] <mdke> bhuvan: thanks for the suggestion
[01:12] <bhuvan> mdke: np
[05:40] <mdke> bhuvan: at the moment there are no commit messages though, any idea why?
[05:40] <mdke> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/Ubuntu%20Documentation
[05:43] <bhuvan> mdke: i dont see a bot join this channel.
[05:43] <bhuvan> mdke: it should be something like CIA-XX (XX = 2 digit numeral)
[05:43] <trappist> Ubugtu?
[05:44] <bhuvan> trappist: the bot we talk here is to send commit intimation to this channel
[05:44] <mdke> bhuvan: see that webpage, there are no log messages or details
[05:44] <mdke> the bot hasn't joined yet, that's a separate issue
[05:44] <bhuvan> oh yeah
[05:46] <mdke> gah, we still haven't scheduled a meeting
[05:46] <mdke> i wonder how a weekend would go down
[05:51] <jsgotangco> weekends are supposed to be fun ;)
[05:51] <bhuvan> but not all weekends :)
[06:07] <mdke> jsgotangco: how dare you suggest that meetings aren't fun
[06:07] <mdke> outrageous
[06:08] <jsgotangco> :P
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe...weekends are perfect for meetings ;)
[06:12] <mdke> I just want to get these licensing questions out of the way
[06:40] <nixternal> jsgotangco: whats up with the UWN team?  on LP that is?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> oh its something mgalvin did before
[06:40] <nixternal> hehe..i just now noticed it
[06:40] <jsgotangco> since mgalvin is MIA, we have no control ove rit
[06:41] <nixternal> anyone know the story behind him disappearing?  everything is alright I hope
[06:41] <nixternal> i heard someone say even his private stuff shut down..blog or something..can't remember exactly
[06:41] <mdke> holiday?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no
[06:41] <jsgotangco> he moved to a new job
[06:42] <nixternal> ahhh...
[06:42] <jsgotangco> he's still online but some family stuff happened
[06:42] <Burgwork> the LP people can turn the team over to a new owner
[06:42] <jsgotangco> but he'll be back soonish
[06:42] <Burgwork> that is who I got the wiki and marketing teams
[06:42] <Burgwork> s/who/how
[06:42] <nixternal> or get rid of it, as the marketing team is doing the uwn now correct?
[06:43] <Burgwork> sure, that works
[06:43] <Burgwork> no need for all these little teams around
[06:56] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[06:57] <mdke> hi
[06:57] <bhuvan> i don't see the commit messages in #commits channel either
[06:57] <bhuvan> any idea, who setup the client script in our repo?
[06:58] <mdke> spads
[07:00] <bhuvan> we should confirm the url/repository path/project name/etc and file permission are setup properly
[07:00] <bhuvan> i would be glad to get a sample from subversion-dev team if you need one
[07:01] <mdke> you can poke him on irc, if it helps
[07:01] <bhuvan> ok. did you inform him this problem?
[07:01] <mdke> not yet
[07:01] <bhuvan> ok, i'll talk to him
[07:01] <mdke> thanks
[07:16] <bhuvan> mdke: i talked to Spads. He confirmed to fix the issue we face in 'log message'. he suggested to contact someone in #cia to forward the messages to #commits channel. later, we can contact micah@navi.cx to forward/redirect them to this channel! i'll take it up
[08:10] <trappist> hey that last commit had a commit message in the rss :)
[08:23] <nixternal> arg the patch cmd is making me mad
[09:37] <DonSc> hey.  Anyone around using Edgy that can help me test something?
[09:37] <crimsun> ...more specifically?
[09:38] <DonSc> Alacarte.  I'm trying to write some docs for it for GNOME
[09:38] <DonSc> It seems fairly broken to me.  Just wondering if it actually was, or whether I broke it somehow
[09:39] <crimsun> didn't seem very broken last I tried it (three months or so ago). See if you can catch Travis Watkins, aka "Amaranth", on irc.
[09:40] <LaserJock> he's been pretty busy the last couple weeks
[09:40] <crimsun> yeah, he's neck-deep in several significant projects
[09:41] <mdke> trappist: yeah, seems to be fixed :)
[09:44] <DonSc> :( .  All the buttons are broken for me
[11:35] <trappist> are we GNU/Linux people or just Linux (when referring to the whole shebang)
[11:36] <crimsun> what whole shebang?
[11:36] <trappist> the distribution.  is ubuntu a Linux distro or a GNU/Linux distro, policy-wise in the docs
[11:36] <crimsun> the former.
[11:37] <trappist> great.  do you know if that's documented anywhere?
[11:37] <trappist> I don't recall seeing it in the styleguide.
[11:39] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:39] <Burgwork> we try and avoid the whole issue
[11:39] <Burgwork> but, yes, if forced, we just use Linux
[11:39] <trappist> was just going through about-kubuntu.xml and it's full of GNU/Linux, which I hadn't run across before in the docs, is why I asked
[11:40] <crimsun> interesting, there's a nice blurb on (workaround for) the xorg-server issue on the front page of www.ubuntu.com
[11:40] <Burgwork> trappist, hmm, wonder who added that
[11:40] <crimsun> Kubuntu conceivably chose its own string
[11:40] <nixternal> i just found it interesting...chatting with the LUG people around here, some don't allow Ubuntu or talk about Ubuntu because we try to drop the whole Linux thing
[11:40] <nixternal> they say Ubuntu isnt' Linux
[11:40] <Burgwork> they are on crack
[11:40] <nixternal> they bring up an interesting point though
[11:41] <nixternal> i know we are linux, and so do they
[11:41] <Burgwork> we are Ubuntu
[11:41] <Burgwork> we are built on Linux. It is very important to establish our own brand
[11:41] <trappist> svn blame makes it look like jriddel
[11:42] <crimsun> if Kubuntu wants to use "GNU/Linux", that's fine by me
[11:42] <crimsun> as long as everything's consistent across subflavors
[11:42] <nixternal> but Ubuntu is still GNU/Linux no matter how you look it, and it seems that by us saying we are Ubuntu, nothing more and nothing less, has made them go ok, you dont' want to be linux, you want to be Ubuntu, then blah, then you aren't welcome in the LUG
[11:42] <Burgwork> right
[11:43] <Burgwork> I think GNU/Linux is akward
[11:43] <nixternal> thats ok by me, we have Ubuntu Chicago..we don't need no stinkin' LUG
[11:43] <nixternal> ;)
[11:43] <Burgwork> plus the reality is, the word Linux has won
[11:43] <nixternal> but right now, with Adam and the Chicago LUG, we are actually working on some collaboration stuff that started today
[11:43] <Burgwork> yep
[11:43] <nixternal> so we might be expanding our horizons here and possibly becoming Ubuntu-Illinois with sub chapters
[11:44] <Burgwork> you will discover that there are a lot of oldschool Linux users who simply will not change
[11:44] <nixternal> ;)
[11:44] <nixternal> since 1994/95 it has been GNU/Linux for me ;)
[11:45] <trappist> I wish somebody would just replace the GNU tools so we can drop the whole matter once and for all.
[11:45] <crimsun> frankly, my stance is that if you have time to argue over the syntax, you're not using that time to live the mantra of social responsibility. Put your time where your mouth is, not the other way around.
[11:45] <nixternal> good point
[11:45] <Burgwork> indeed
[11:45] <crimsun> (If you don't believe in social responsibility, why in the world do care about Freedom?)
[11:45] <crimsun> do you, rather
[11:46] <nixternal> i will point that out to the "offending LUG"
[11:46] <nixternal> funny thing, they call themselve UFO, users of free operating systems
[11:46] <nixternal> heh..
[11:46] <trappist> so, for the docs, has someone made the decision that kubuntu is GNU/Linux and I should leave it alone?
[11:46] <nixternal> they have banned *@ubuntu.com and others from posting to their list
[11:47] <Burgwork> are you serious?
[11:47] <trappist> that's just ridiculous.
[11:47] <Burgwork> trappist, I think it shoudl be consistent
[11:47] <nixternal> ya, because i now get the email saying im banned from the list
[11:47] <trappist> Burgwork: I tend to agree.
[11:47] <Burgwork> kubuntu uses gnu/linux
[11:47] <Burgwork> kubuntu.org, that is
[11:47] <nixternal> i sent one email asking for info and boom thats what i got
[11:48] <nixternal> i think it should be consistant as well, whats good for the goose is good for the gander
[11:48] <trappist> bleh.  so which one should the docs be consistent with?  who's authoritative on that?
[11:49] <Burgwork> I would think consistent across a particular project is fine
[11:49] <crimsun> trappist: there's no reason it has to be one way for all of them.
[11:49] <trappist> I think the docs should be consistent across flavors, but I'm hesitant to step on anyone's toes by changing it if there's no consensus
[11:49] <crimsun> I agree w/ Corey
[11:49] <trappist> gotcha
[11:50] <crimsun> (meaning I think it's fine if Ubuntu uses "Linux" and Kubuntu uses "GNU/Linux")
[11:50] <trappist> that's not my opinion, but it makes sense
[11:50] <trappist> crimsun: right
[11:52] <trappist> hrm.  there's about 60 instances of GNU/Linux in trunk/ubuntu
[11:53] <trappist> seems most of them refer to Debian though
[11:58] <crimsun> yeah, that has to stay ("Debian GNU/Linux")
[12:00] <LaserJock> do non-debian based distro's worry about this?
[12:01] <LaserJock> I've run lots of distros and Ubuntu/Debian is the first one that I've heard of this
[12:06] <Burgwork> not really
[12:06] <Burgwork> most distros refer to it as Linux
[12:10] <nixternal> Linux and GNU/Linux are the same thing anyways...Linux is cleaner looking than GNU/Linux imho
[12:11] <nixternal> rock, paper, scissors, or pull from a hat to select the one to use ;)