imbrandoncrimsun: ugh is there a package with a provides/conflicts/replaces example ?12:10
imbrandon( that you know of )12:10
crimsunimbrandon: any of Edgy's xserver-xorg-video-*12:12
crimsungnomefreak: in 20 mins, please12:12
imbrandonk thnaks12:12
alleesiretart: any plans to merge fai 2.10.5 from sid?12:15
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Lureimbrandon: powersave also provides/conflicts/replaces12:20
geseris there a way to sync packages from debian where the source package changed names?12:20
imbrandonLure: thanks ;) got it12:21
geserrhythmbox-applet is now called music-applet12:21
imbrandongreat more generic names12:21
imbrandongeser: not sure you might poke one of the sync admins ( aka keybuck ) durring his "normal operating hours"12:22
imbrandonand ask12:23
geserok, will try12:23
geserare source packages which got removed in debian (semi-)automatically also removed in ubuntu?12:33
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crimsunslomo_: ping (RE: #51281); is linux-source-2.6.15 affected as well?01:07
slomo_nope, i had this problem since the first .17 kernel in edgy01:08
crimsunok, so it's only in edgy's (not reproducible in dapper)?01:08
crimsunok, thanks01:08
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LaserJockcrimsun: how's it going today? less busy than yesterday?01:17
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crimsunLaserJock: about the same01:23
LaserJockinteresting, I would have thought a "graphical wrapper for X" would imply a dependecy on X01:23
LaserJockcrimsun: same here, too bad01:23
crimsunit's only the first week, too. It's just going downhill from here01:24
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LaserJockluckily school doesn't mean much for me01:38
LaserJockat this point01:38
LaserJockI almost forgot to register for classes01:39
LaserJockas I don't have any real classes01:39
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zulthats a bit silly01:39
LaserJockof course it's silly, it's a university :-)01:40
micahcowanSo... what unreal classes are you taking, then?01:41
LaserJockI've got 6 credits of dissertation01:43
zuloh goody my menus borked01:43
LaserJock1 credit of Research Conference which is my weekly meetings with my advisor01:43
LaserJock1 credit of Colloquia which is our group meetings01:43
LaserJockso 8 credits of "doing work"01:44
BurgundaviaLaserJock: you know, once you actually start working, meetings are not credited, they are merely annoying things you have to suffer through?01:44
LaserJockyes, I realize that01:44
crimsunand deity help you through the phone conferences.01:44
Burgundaviacrimsun: those are real fun01:45
LaserJockbut I also have to pay $30 a credit for my meetings :-)01:45
Burgundaviahowever, with the phone ones, you can at least play solitaire01:45
micahcowanAh, yes. At least I get paid for the time I spend in mine. :)01:45
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micahcowanBurgundavia: or Simon Tatham's awesome puzzles: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/01:45
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micahcowanYay! sgt-puzzles!01:46
FujitsuCan a MOTU please ack the sync request in bug 57064?01:47
UbugtuMalone bug 57064 in imgsizer "Please sync imgsizer 2.7-2 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5706401:47
LaserJockgrrr, why can't I get Xnest to work? :/01:49
FujitsuWhat's up with it?01:49
LaserJockit doesn't work01:50
Fujitsu!doesn't work01:50
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.01:50
FujitsuI love that factoid.01:50
LaserJockwell, I'd like to start up either gnome or kde01:50
LaserJockI can get a blank xnest window if I do sudo Xnest :101:51
LaserJockbut I can't seem to get it to open anything up in it01:51
LaserJockor get gnome or kde to start up01:51
FujitsuSo you just get the checkered X background?01:51
LaserJockI found several hints online but none seem to work01:51
FujitsuI presume you set DISPLAY appropriately?01:51
LaserJockhmm, I didn't set DISPLAY01:52
FujitsuWell, you'll need to.01:52
LaserJockso I need to do that?01:52
FujitsuOr it doesn't know which server to send requests to :)01:52
LaserJockok, I tried startx /usr/bin/startkde -- /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest :201:53
LaserJockand that was a no go01:53
LaserJockso do I set DISPLAY=:2 before I run that?01:53
LaserJockhmm, nothing online says that01:55
FujitsuI don't think Xnest sets it itself...01:55
LaserJockbut at least now I'm getting .Xauthority errors01:55
FujitsuI know about that...01:55
FujitsuThere is a switch you need to pass to turn off access control...01:56
Fujitsuman Xnest should help.01:56
LaserJockheh, now that I'm no longer able to start any apps in my main window ....01:58
LaserJockphew, and with a gdm restart I'm back02:00
LaserJockI don't think the DISPLAY thing is a good idea02:00
FujitsuDid you export it or set it?02:01
FujitsuIf you exported it, that'd do it.02:01
FujitsuBecause it'll make all your X windows try to appear in the Xnest session.02:01
LaserJockbut then I can use my main window02:02
LaserJockI just got it working02:02
LaserJockI guess I just needed to restart X or something02:02
LaserJockI used the same command as before02:03
FujitsuThankyou crimsun.02:05
LaserJockah, I think I maybe have been have a problem with x lock files not being cleaned up too02:08
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bddebianHeya gang02:36
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LaserJockwb bddebian02:36
bddebianthx LaserJock02:37
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cr3bddebian: hi, still there?02:42
bddebianHello cr302:50
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welshbyteman that was a terrible movie03:15
welshbytetriaging X bugs is more entertaining03:15
imbrandonanyone on dapper kubuntu feel like being a guineypig for a few minutes ?03:16
welshbytebddebian: ipac-ng is a messy little package but the only merge conflict was the Build-Depends03:18
bddebianwelshbyte: Nice03:18
bddebianwelshbyte: What movie?03:18
bddebianimbrandon: I can't sorry, my kubuntu machine is at work :-(03:19
bddebianwelshbyte: For ipac-ng, that script that I updated is in the package now?03:20
Hawkwindimbrandon: With ?03:21
welshbytebddebian: um, which script? just getting my concentration back...03:22
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bddebianwelshbyte: I think I patched a script from something on Launchpad.  Should have been in the changelog?03:23
welshbyte+  * Copy rules.conf and ipac.conf from BTS #32734403:24
welshbyte+    - Closes Malone: #2863503:24
bddebianAye :-)03:24
Hawkwindimbrandon: Still need a dapper tester ?03:24
ryanakcabddebian: do you need to re-advocate now that I added the changelog entry?03:24
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bddebianryanakca: Sorry, which package?03:24
ryanakcabddebian: eqonomize03:24
bddebianryanakca: Let me take a look03:25
bddebianryanakca: I added another advocation just for insurance :-)03:29
bddebianNo, Thank you! :-)03:30
ryanakcanow I'm just waiting for imbrandon to advocate... he said this afternoon... but he's busy building :)03:30
ryanakcaanywais, I'm off to bed, it's late :)03:30
bddebianwelshbyte: You gonna post ipac or ..?03:33
welshbytebddebian: i was just about to ask... REVU?03:33
bddebianwelshbyte: Unless you want to just pastebin it or post it on a site somewhere.  Doesn't matter03:33
welshbytewell, what file(s) do you need?03:34
bddebianwelshbyte: Just do a debdiff.  debdiff foo.dsc foo-xubuntu1.dsc03:39
welshbytewhere foo.dsc is the debian version's .dsc?03:41
bddebianYou can obviously dump it to a file too.03:42
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welshbytebddebian: http://andrewprice.me.uk/dropoff/03:47
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bddebianwelshbyte: Thx, pulling now03:50
bddebianwelshbyte: Uploaded.  Rockin', thanks again!03:58
welshbytebddebian: cool, no problem :)03:59
bddebianGah, freakin' diacanvas204:11
bddebianOr better freakin' pygobject04:11
bddebianwelshbyte: Did you get a message about ipac-ng?04:12
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welshbyteum... nope, should i have?04:13
bddebianOh, no, you didn't use your info in the changelog :-)04:13
bddebianI don't know why it hasn't shown up in Edgy changes though04:13
welshbyteoh yeah, merge-o-matic did the changelog04:14
welshbytei'm never sure when it's appropriate to take credit for these things :)04:18
bddebianwelshbyte: Any time you do the work man :-)04:18
welshbytei'll keep that in mind :)04:19
welshbyteoh crap... did i forget to sign it? would that be why?04:21
bddebianNo, I rebuilt the source and signed it with my key04:22
bddebianI don't know if I should re-upload or not..04:26
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee04:28
welshbytewho gets the mom@ubuntu.com email?04:28
welshbyteello Hobbsee04:28
LaserJockprobably keybuck if it's for MoM04:28
jsgotangcoit probably goes into a request queue as well04:28
LaserJockHobbsee: I've got a job for you :-)04:28
bddebianHeya Hobbsee04:29
Hobbseehey LaserJock04:29
Hobbseehi everyone else04:29
Hobbseehey welshbyte04:29
Hobbseewelshbyte: keybuk, probably04:29
HobbseeLaserJock: oh yay, what is it?04:29
LaserJockHobbsee: kiosktool wants a root password04:29
HobbseeLaserJock: lovely.  and?04:30
Hobbseehey bddebian04:30
LaserJockHobbsee: bug 630604:30
UbugtuMalone bug 6306 in kiosktool "Kiosk admin tool tries to login with root account " [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/630604:30
LaserJockI want you to fix it of course :-)04:30
LaserJockor I guess I could have bddebian do it :-)04:31
Hobbseetrue that04:31
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HobbseeLaserJock: presumably that means it needs to start with kdesu04:32
LaserJockthat's what I'd assume04:32
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LaserJockyou might ask pitti though, apparently he did a few of those04:32
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LaserJockdon't worry04:33
Hobbseethe curse of being sick...04:33
LaserJockI just thought it might be interesting for a KDE person'04:33
Hobbseetrue that04:33
Hobbseeit will be interesting when you find the fix :)04:33
crimsungo me. By fixing python2.4's ftbfs, I exposed yet another error, so now none of its packages install at all.04:34
welshbyteimpressive :)04:34
crimsunthis is bug 5677904:35
UbugtuMalone bug 56779 in python2.4 "Error during Dapper-->Edgy update" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5677904:35
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uniscriptI'm building a binary package from a source package on a dev machine that has a newer version of freetype than is in the ubuntu repos04:37
uniscriptIs there a way to not have that later version dependency end up in the package?04:37
LaserJockhmm, how do I test for a user in a shell script?04:39
welshbyte"test for a user" ?04:40
bddebianLaserJock: You can do $USER = 'foo' but it's not ideal04:40
LaserJockbddebian: is there a better way?04:40
bddebianuniscript: Use a pbuilder?04:41
uniscriptbddebian: good url on pbuilder? Does it need to install a complete system again or can it use my system (i.e. does it take up tons of space)?04:42
LaserJocknot a lot of space04:43
LaserJockit is a minimal install04:43
LaserJockcheck out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto04:43
bddebianuniscript: No, it's pretty minimalistic.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto04:44
uniscriptso is it going to spot that I have a newer freetype and handle the older version?04:44
LaserJockit doesn't use your system at all04:44
uniscriptoh it just pulls *everything* it needs to build the package?04:45
LaserJockthat's the point04:46
uniscriptgreat :)04:46
LaserJockit let's you make sure your deps are right04:46
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imbrandongnight folks /me is off to nap time ( http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/  for those on kde that wanna play with it while i sleep )04:49
welshbyteseems that edgy has the latest freetype anyway, if i'm not mistaken04:49
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hubimbrandon: is it build against dapper or riddell kde updates?04:52
hubimbrandon: 'cause I have 3.5.404:52
uniscriptwelshbyte: yes, but I'm building for dapper users04:52
imbrandonhub: its built against default dapper ( for the dapper install )04:52
hubok then I have to rebuild04:52
imbrandonso it will work with or without riddells updates04:52
imbrandonhub: no04:52
imbrandonthats not how kde works ;)04:53
hubdo you think I trust that?04:53
imbrandonok let me put it like this the amarok on kubuntu.org is built agains the default dapper too04:53
imbrandonthey are all built in pbuilder ;)04:53
imbrandonbut if you wish to take the time ;) youll need to grab the other libs from there too and build those as i backported a few libs also ;)04:54
imbrandonanyhow i'm off to sleep, gnight folks04:54
uniscriptI have a local copy of the dapper repo on a mounted directory, can I get pbuilder to use that?04:54
imbrandonsure uniscript just add it to the pbuilders sources.list before you build it04:55
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Hobbseenight imbrandon04:55
welshbyteE: openvrml source: source-tar-is-posix-tar openvrml_0.15.10.orig.tar.gz05:01
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YagisanG'day Hobbsee05:50
=== Yagisan is finaly getting a edgy system set up
Hobbseeoh fun05:51
Hobbseejust before init-crack comes into place05:51
Yagisannice. It's a vm so I can blow it away withou any qualms05:52
FujitsuNo blowing it away!05:53
FujitsuHobbsee, how far off is that?05:53
HobbseeFujitsu: no idea05:54
YagisanFujitsu, why not ? I don't plan to migrate my critcal systems until after release.05:54
FujitsuAw, what a boring life you must lead :P05:54
FujitsuHaving production systems that don't break? What a silly decision...05:55
YagisanFujitsu, no, I tried that with breezy->dapper. was not fun. Rather not do it again05:55
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FujitsuIt is.05:56
welshbytephysics is highly overra-....05:56
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Fujitsu(a LOT)05:56
welshbyteok i might have deserved that :)05:56
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FujitsuNo criticising physics!05:56
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welshbyteuh, thanks :)05:58
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Hobbseeoh crap, i'm writing spaghetti code here.06:01
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Hobbseeer, maybe not spaghetti code.  more just plain crap code.06:02
FujitsuWhat are you writing?06:02
FujitsuAnd what language?06:02
Hobbseeuni assignment06:03
bddebianC++ IS spaghetti code ;-P06:04
YagisanHobbsee, sounds like fun06:04
Hobbseebddebian: heh.  true that.06:04
TheMusoHobbsee: What? They're throwing you straight into C++? Or have you done C already?06:05
HobbseeTheMuso: never done C06:06
Hobbseeso yeah, straight into C++06:06
TheMusoThats a bit icky then IMO.06:06
bddebianOr better yet, VisualBasic ;-P06:06
welshbytei wouldn't say C was a prerequisite for learning C++06:06
Hobbseeurgh.  now we never did that06:07
TheMusoHobbsee: What do you have to do for the assignment?06:07
bddebian"Hello World" ;-)06:07
HobbseeTheMuso: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP125/assignments/ass1q2.pdf is the bit i'm doing at the moment06:08
Hobbseebddebian: no, that was prac 1 last semester06:08
Hobbseethe assignment's not that hard - it's just not falling into place, and it's so noisy and hard to concentrate06:08
welshbytedon't knock hello world, it's in main :)06:09
bddebianI'm not knocking it, I couldn't even write it :)06:09
TheMusoHobbsee: They're starting you deep it seems. Or have you done intro to C++ in the course already?06:11
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, i did intro last semester06:11
HobbseeTheMuso: the lecturer on it is crap, unfortunately.  yay for the better lecturer we get next week :D06:12
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TheMusoHobbsee: Fun fun fun.06:13
welshbytegrr why is openvrml not building06:15
bddebianwelshbyte: Because it's hideous :-)06:15
welshbytebddebian: you're not wrong06:16
bddebianI know, why do you think I asked you to do it? ;-)06:16
welshbytehttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/774575 look fixable?06:24
bddebianYeah, one of them is wrong.  It should be either int (*)(foo... or int (*)(const foo) not int (*)(foo -> int (*)(const foo)06:26
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welshbyteooh, i found it in a debian bug06:27
bddebianI was just going to check that :-)06:27
welshbytei don't think a patch is being applied... i'll look into it06:29
bddebianYou DA MAN!06:29
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bddebianGah, I gotta get to bed.  Gnight folks06:48
bddebianThanks again welshbyte06:48
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siretartallee: if you have time to merge it, just do it!09:49
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Hobbseehi all10:03
Arbiterhi Hobbsee10:08
ArbiterHobbsee: i have a question...10:10
HobbseeArbiter: shoot.  as long as it's not "can i review something"  :P10:10
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Arbiterit's a problem with .diff.gz10:10
Arbiterlook at my comment at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293510:11
Arbiter(the last one)10:11
Hobbsee....this isnt kradio, is it?10:11
Arbiterit's kcmpureftpd...10:12
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Arbiteri don't know why things in previous debian/ directory aren't listed in .diff.gz10:12
HobbseeArbiter: would there be a debian/ in the upstream tarball, by any chance?10:13
ArbiterHobbsee: yes.. the comment explains why i deleted that dir10:13
Arbiteruhm... another thing...10:14
HobbseeArbiter: did you remove the debian/ from the original tarball, or the working directory?10:14
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ArbiterHobbsee: working dir10:14
Arbiteri've noticed that running debuild -S -sa for the first time tells me something like10:15
HobbseeArbiter: right.  have you whinged at upstream yet?10:15
Arbiterwarning: ignoring deletion of 'blahblah'10:15
=== Hobbsee checks the packaging guide. Riddell has told me before just to delete the debian/ dir in the upstream tarball, and repackage it
Hobbseeand note it in the changelog afterwards10:17
Arbiterso i have to provide a modified .orig.tar.gz? :D10:17
Hobbseeyeah, cos otherwise it keeps thrashing your changes10:17
Hobbseewell, yeah, it's not the best policy10:17
Hobbseebut sometimes such thigns have to be done10:18
Arbiterheheheh :)10:18
HobbseeArbiter: why dont you take out the debian dir, then get the md5sum of the repackaged tarball, and i'll check it here10:18
Hobbseesarah@sarah:~/Desktop$ md5sum *.tar.gz10:18
Hobbsee82b31d4bd4e9aa3590157aa742268ff3  kcmpureftpd_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz10:18
Hobbsee6ed395c5185836f601d8f4b0353dabe4  kcmpureftpd-0.9.1.tar.gz10:18
Arbiteruhm.. wait10:18
Hobbsee.....and then you'll have to make your changes again, it seems10:19
Hobbseei wonder if quick and dirty hacking of the dsc works...10:20
HobbseeArbiter: at this point, you should also be bitching at upstream about including a debian/ in their source10:20
Hobbseevery loudly :P10:20
Arbiter82b31d4bd4e9aa3590157aa742268ff3  kcmpureftpd_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz10:21
Arbiter71560616e68c2616552a0eaf720cb935  kcmpureftpd_0.9.1.tar.gz10:21
RiddellI always remove upstream debian/ dirs before making the .orig10:21
HobbseeRiddell: then why did we just get different md5sums?10:21
RiddellI don't know what's being compared10:22
HobbseeRiddell: we both just deleted the debian/ from the same tarball, then repackaged it10:23
Arbitermaybe it's compressed with a different gzip level...10:23
RiddellHobbsee: different timestamps10:23
Riddellthat's unavoidable10:23
HobbseeRiddell: ahhhh.....10:24
Hobbseeyes, right10:24
Arbiterthere are a lot of factors that makes md5sums different i think10:24
HobbseeRiddell: is it Very Bad (tm) to change the md5sum and size in the .dsc without doing anything else?10:24
Hobbseeor is that legal?10:24
Arbiterdebuild -S -sa :P10:25
RiddellHobbsee: I do it all the time10:25
Hobbseenice :)10:25
Hobbseeeep.  that borked.10:26
Hobbseeoh yes, of course it borked.10:26
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Arbiterok i'm now testing the new package in pbuilder :)10:27
HobbseeArbiter: nice :)10:28
ArbiterRiddell: can i give my opinion about the kubuntu look planned for edgy? :)10:31
RiddellArbiter: sure, on #kubuntu-devel please10:31
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gnomefreak:( i like the purple10:50
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Arbiterkcmpureftpd should be fine now...10:56
Arbiter(i hope)10:56
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gnux123I already have an gpgkey and launchpad account what would be next for REVU?11:17
Arbitergnux123: join the ubuntu-universe-contributors team on launchpad11:18
gnux123Finish joining what would be the next?11:22
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Arbitergnux123: reading a packaging guide then start making your own packages :)11:25
gnux123If I already have a package where can I upload it?11:28
Arbitergnux123: you need to wait until you are approved in ubuntu-universe-contributors11:33
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Hobbseeor poke someone to sync the keyring.  like raphink11:33
gnux123membership is open, and Im now member?11:34
Arbiterthen the packaging guide at help.ubuntu.com explains how to upload packages to REVU (iirc)11:34
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU11:34
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Arbiterknowit is nearly finished11:34
gnux123ah I see11:35
Arbiterknowit in REVU11:47
gnux123How can I know that packages are uploaded?11:51
Arbitercheck revu.tauware.de11:52
Arbiterand look for your packagename11:52
Arbiterlist is updated every 5 minutes (iirc)11:52
gnux123Not a .changes file.11:53
gnux123Please select a .changes file to upload.11:53
gnux123Tried to upload: asterisk_1.2.10.dfsg.orig.tar.gz11:53
Hobbseegnux123: try dput revu asterisk_1.2.10.dfsg*source.changes11:55
gnux123http://pastebin.com/774694 I got this after dput revu asterisk*12:00
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slomo_gnux123: you should sign .changes and .dsc before uploading12:01
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ubotuping: unknown host12:09
Hobbsee[20:09]  [Notice]  -NickServ- You cannot GHOST yourself.12:09
slomo_!ping google.com12:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ping google.com - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:09
gnux123Thanks its now uploaded12:12
ubotuping: unknown host12:19
Hobbsee!ping is <reply>pong12:19
ubotuping is already known12:19
Hobbseethey've changed it12:20
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Hobbseesiretart: ping?12:44
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siretartHobbsee_: pong01:01
Hobbsee_siretart: backports seem to be working, if you wanted to backport xine-lib at some point01:02
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siretartHobbsee: oh. thanks for notice. would you mind to file a bug so I don't miss it?01:05
ryanakcacan a motu pleased review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293901:05
Hobbseesiretart: sure, but i need to leave for home right about now, while there are people around01:05
siretartHobbsee: i'm terribly busy until end of weekend with work, uni, moving, etc. :(01:05
Hobbseesiretart: fair enough01:06
Hobbseesiretart: if you've got no more changes, i can request the backport here, that's fine01:06
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siretarthm, she's gone, but anyway: I need to check if the current version is suitable for backporting, and what gets broken by backporting. anyway, I can and will comment on that in the bugreport01:08
Yagisananyone here deploy dapper with apt-cacher ?01:13
YagisanI have an "interesting" error message01:14
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imbrandonmoins all01:22
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Yagisangives an Err 500 (Internal Server Error) Can't connect to http::80 (Bad hostname 'http:' )01:25
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geserhow is the depens line computed at build-time?03:06
ogra_geser, not at all ... its just moved into the package ... or do you mean build-deps ?03:10
geserI'm wondering why gpe-contacts ends depending on libcontacts0 where the correct name is libcontactsdb003:11
geseris /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcontactsdb0.shlibs responsible for it?03:11
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ogra_do you have libcontactsdb-dev in the build-deps line ?03:13
ogra_or is it a static entry in the deps line of the source package ?03:14
geserI've a build-deps on libcontactsdb-dev03:14
geserand the entry for the binary has Depends: gpe-icons, ${shlibs:Depends}03:15
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wsebfrench motu are on this chat ?03:16
geserI'm wondering if "libcontactsdb 0 libcontacts0 (>= 0.3)" is the correct entry in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcontactsdb0.shlibs03:16
hubsort of03:16
hubwseb: sort of03:16
gesershould it be "libcontactsdb 0 libcontactsdb0 (>= 0.3)" ?03:16
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cbx33oo-bun-to or You-bun-to03:17
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wsebhub, ?03:18
hubwseb: you asked about french MOTUs03:19
Yagisanwoot. I found the apt-cacher bug that annoys me has a bug report03:20
hubwseb: I said "sort of"03:20
HobbseeYagisan: so you fixed it?03:21
YagisanHobbsee, nope. apparently its some perl issue. It's debian bug 33274803:22
UbugtuDebian bug 332748 in apt-cacher "apt-cacher: gets confused after some time, returns error 500" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/33274803:22
wsebhub, yes but when you say "sort of" i don't understand what you want to say03:22
YagisanHobbsee, you've no idea how much that bug annoys me. /me looks for a replacement instead03:23
hubwseb: "en quelque sorte"03:23
StevenKYagisan: I stopped using apt-cacher for that reason.03:24
wsebok, sorry i understand "trier" :/03:24
wsebhub, you are french03:24
YagisanStevenK, any suggestions on what I can move my cache over too ?03:24
wsebhub, i just want more information about motu team03:25
StevenKYagisan: No, because they all suck.03:25
huball the info is there03:25
wsebok i have already read this document03:26
YagisanStevenK, so the choice is a) local mirror or b) squid with massive cache03:26
StevenKEither way, you need a heap of disk.03:26
wsebhub, but i'm java programmer, i prog a little in C/C++, i use ubuntu, and do you think it's possible to become motu03:27
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wsebi'm verry interesting to contibute to this project03:28
hubwseb: learn debian packaging and upload to REVU03:28
hubas we say "c'est en forgeant que l'on devient forgeron"03:28
wsebok, but "a consiste en quoi le deboggage exactement"03:29
YagisanStevenK, somehow I feel that either one of those will be bigger then the 6GB I have available03:29
StevenKYagisan: A local mirror will *easily* outstrip 6Gb03:29
wsebhub, in bug fixing you have to correct sort of code03:30
YagisanStevenK, how much are we talking about for say amd64+i386 ? ~40GB ?03:30
hubwseb: yes and no. it depends. packaging is mostly about installation problems, etc.03:31
StevenKYagisan: Um. Including source?03:31
hubwseb: fixing bugs in the code is fine too, but it is about prorotization03:31
wsebhub, like to adapt debian package on ubuntu ?03:31
YagisanStevenK, generally - no03:31
StevenKYou're looking at roughly 11Gb an arch03:31
StevenKPlus another 11 for arch: all03:32
YagisanStevenK, excellent. That would eat my bandwidth quota nicely :(03:32
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StevenKHence why I haven't set one up.03:33
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Lathiatust set the object size up a bit03:35
StevenKYup, crank it up to what, 50Mb03:35
StevenKDamn openoffice .debs03:35
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YagisanLathiat, I've never set squid up, but I'll keep that in mind when I do it03:38
YagisanStevenK, could be worse - I have source packages that are ~500MB03:38
LathiatYagisan: squid is largely a matter of "apt-get install"03:39
Lathiatyou need to just configure a couple acls03:39
Lathiatlook for http_allow and acl iirc03:39
Lathiator search for
Lathiatits pretty self explanatory03:39
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YagisanLathiat, thanks mate03:47
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AnAntI got a problem packaging a package04:14
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AnAntI got a problem packaging a package, this package uses autoreconf -i to create configure & Makefile. Now, when the rules file runs $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp , it installs in $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/local04:15
AnAnthow can I get rid of that /local thing ?04:16
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azeemrun configure with --prefix=/usr04:16
AnAntoh yes, thanks !04:16
azeemAnAnt: maybe you have to pass it to autoreconf -i04:16
AnAnthow silly am I !04:16
AnAntok, another question, I am making a new package called "fsplib"04:18
AnAntand there is a feature I'd like to enable on 'elinks' that depends on 'fsplib'04:18
AnAntwill that be a problem since fsplib is not in the edgy repos  ?04:19
Hobbsee!info elinks04:20
ubotuelinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.6-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 825 kB, installed size 3292 kB04:20
HobbseeAnAnt: yes.  unless you get fsplib promoted to main too04:20
AnAntHobbsee: yeah, I added a new build target called elinks-full04:21
AnAntHobbsee: elinks-full target depends on stuff in universe04:21
Hobbseeright, yep04:21
AnAntHobbsee: and the elinks in dapper, has a target called elinks-lite which is in universe not main04:21
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AnAntHobbsee: so I don't thing that fsplib being in universe would be a problem04:23
AnAntHobbsee: as that feature I want to add I will add in the elinks-full target04:23
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Hobbseeright, yep04:23
AnAntmy question is about fsplib not being in the repos in the first place, as it is a new package04:24
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HobbseeAnAnt: you need to have it in the repos before making anything depend on it, yes04:26
AnAntHobbsee: ok, thanks04:26
AnAntHobbsee: ok, that library I am packaging, the dh_make created this in the install target : $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp04:27
AnAntHobbsee: now, note that this is a library, when I build that package, the resulting fsplib0 & fsplib-dev packages neither contain the shared libs nor the header files04:28
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Hobbseeespecially about libraries.04:28
AnAntoh ok04:28
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Burgundaviaimbrandon: kubuntu is mad to drop gstreamer support04:33
HobbseeBurgundavia: for amarok, or anything else?04:34
BurgundaviaHobbsee: just saw the amarok changelog04:34
HobbseeBurgundavia: upstream axed it04:35
StevenKHah, that'd be right.04:35
Burgundaviathey are nuts. Gstreamer actually works in 0.1004:35
Hobbseenot according to them04:35
Burgundaviahowever, kde is going for the phonon stuff04:35
Burgundaviawhich will not remove their problem, merely abstract it one level down04:35
Hobbseethey're looking at it again for amarok 1.4.3, if gstreamer works well enough for them, they said04:35
StevenKWhen I used amarok, gstreamer was only engine that didn't make it crash every 15 minutes04:35
Burgundaviaanyway, I need to actually get out of bed and go to work04:37
HobbseeBurgundavia: you're in bed with your laptop?04:38
StevenKHobbsee: No, he's moved his desktop onto the bed.04:38
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AnAntcan anyone help me in packaging a library ?04:38
tsengHobbsee: and what if he was?04:38
tsengHobbsee: its like we're all in bed with Burgundavia04:38
StevenKtseng: Hey, that's not cool.04:39
StevenKI don't even know Burgundavia that well.04:39
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tsengI can't top that04:40
tsengI've got nothing04:40
gesermust sync request be ACKed by a motu?04:42
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AnAntwhat is the smallest library (in size) in Ubuntu ?04:51
geserAnAnt: do you know already the Debian Library Packaging guide?04:53
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AnAntgeser: nope, where is it ?04:54
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bddebianHeya gang04:55
AnAntbddebian: hello04:56
bddebianHello AnAnt04:56
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AnAntbddebian: I uploaded the elinks package05:00
bddebianAnAnt: After my comments?05:03
AnAntbddebian: huh ?05:03
AnAntbddebian: when did u do that ?05:04
bddebianThis morning :)05:04
AnAntok, looking05:04
AnAntbddebian: as for the manpage error, what should I do about it ?05:04
AnAntbddebian: did you try doing linda & lintian on the elinks that is already in the edgy repos ?05:05
AnAntbddebian: I didn't change the manpages, that what I want to say, so I expect those problems to be in the packages that are in the repos05:05
gesercould a motu please add an ACK to 57491? Thanks.05:06
geserbug 5749105:06
UbugtuMalone bug 57491 in rhythmbox-applet "[Sync Request]  music-applet 0.9.2-2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5749105:06
AnAntbddebian: as for elinks-lite, I didn't change anything in it, so I beleive that warning "pkg-not-in-package-test" will be also in the package in the repos05:06
AnAntbddebian: I'll look at that makefile you mentioned05:07
bddebiangeser: Done05:07
bddebianAnAnt: If those errors exist in the current package, note that.  Honestly I still get hung up on how much we vary from Debian05:08
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bddebianHeya welshbyte05:12
welshbyteello bddebian05:12
bddebianAnAnt: My personal thinking on this is since we are varying greatly from Debian (in this case adding an additional binary package) we should fix as many of the "errors" as we can at the same time.05:13
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AnAnt_bddebian: note that ?05:13
alleesiretart: Okay. I'll do the merge.  Only problem is that I'm a FAI beginner (only demohost experience yet) so I can't realy test it05:13
AnAnt_bddebian: you said "If those errors exist in the current package, note that."05:14
bddebianAnAnt_: Well again, my personal belief is that since you are varying so far from Debian already, the proper thing to do would be to fix those errors.  But you might want to ask a second opinion on that.05:14
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AnAnt_bddebian: I just checked, the Makefile.* are in the current package too05:15
AnAnt_bddebian: am I varying so far from Debian by adding another build target ?05:16
AnAnt_bddebian: especially that I am not touching the existing build targets ?05:16
azeems/build target/package/, no?05:16
bddebianAnAnt_: Again "IN MY OPINION" :-)  You are adding a binary file to the archive05:16
AnAnt_azeem: yeah, I think so05:17
bddebians/binary file/binary package/05:17
bddebianAnd my opinion is usually worthless anyway :-)05:17
AnAnt_who else should I ask then ?05:18
bddebianAnAnt_: Crimsun, ajmitch, slomo, dholbach, etc05:20
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AnAntcan anyone tell me how to use dpatch ?05:23
AnAntor a URL05:23
AnAntI recall that it used to be in Ubuntu's packaging guide, dunno where it gone05:23
welshbytethe man page is pretty good05:23
bddebianAnAnt: To create a patch?05:24
AnAntbddebian: yeah05:24
bddebiandpatch-edit-patch <name of patch>05:24
bddebianMake changes05:24
bddebianAdd <name of patch> to debian/00list05:25
AnAntthere was an easier way with redirection (if I did have the diff file already)05:28
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Arbiterneed review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2948 (kcmpureftpd - updated, should be fixed) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2949 (knowit)06:37
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bddebianHeya Arbiter, phanatic06:47
phanatichey bddebian06:47
phanaticanyone up for some reviews? :)06:55
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macohey does anybody here know why it is that they're referred to as wpagui and wpasupplicant in the package manager and all but to run them it's wpa_gui and wpa_supplicant?06:57
phanaticbddebian: :)06:58
phanaticanyway, some links: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2942 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293706:58
bddebianphanatic: I'm a little busy atm but I will try in a bit06:58
bddebianwelshbyte: Still around?06:59
phanaticthe latter is already in the archives, just a new upstream release06:59
phanaticbddebian: thanks06:59
bddebianActually I'm not doing any "work" anymore, I just comment on specs ;-P07:01
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Gloubiboulgaphanatic, hi! I'm looking at olive07:07
phanatichey Gloubiboulga, thanks07:08
Gloubiboulgaphanatic, was it a SoC project?07:08
phanaticGloubiboulga: it was :)07:09
welshbytebddebian: aye, just munching on some pizza at the moment07:09
Gloubiboulgaphanatic, nice :)07:09
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bddebianHi Gloubiboulga07:11
bddebianwelshbyte: Need some more work? :)07:11
phanaticGloubiboulga: i hope it will get into edgy :)07:11
Gloubiboulgahey bddebian07:11
Gloubiboulgaphanatic, I'm sure it will07:12
welshbytebddebian: i still have openvrml to finish merging but after that, sure07:12
bddebianwelshbyte: These should be easy ones :-)07:12
welshbytebddebian: sounds good to me ;)07:13
Gloubiboulgaphanatic, maybe you shouldn't provide the debian/ dir with your source tarball07:18
Gloubiboulgaeven if you're upstream and the maintainer :)07:19
phanaticGloubiboulga: i'm aware of that, the next release won't have it, i promise :)07:19
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Arbiteroh hey bddebian :)07:21
cr3how can I recommend a package so that it is eventually accepted in ubuntu?07:24
zuli think there is something on the wiki07:27
Arbiterbddebian: i've fixed the kcmpureftpd packages... it was a file conflict problem07:27
bddebianArbiter: Cool, I'll check it out07:27
Arbiter(upstream provided a debian/ directory)07:27
Arbiterthe result was a mix of mine files with upstream ones :D07:28
Arbiter(Makefile.am README.Debian, etc etc)07:28
bddebianOh, bad, bad.  I have that same issue with typo3 currently07:28
ArbiterRiddell and Hobbsee told me to remove the debian/ from the .orig tarball07:29
Arbiterbddebian: i've also uploaded knowit :)07:30
bddebianSheesh.. :-)07:30
bddebianI can't keep up :-)07:31
ArbiterGloubiboulga: ping07:32
GloubiboulgaArbiter, pong07:32
ArbiterGloubiboulga: i have a question about your repository07:33
Arbiterwhat do you use to manage it?07:33
Arbiter(if you use any tool)07:33
GloubiboulgaArbiter, a tiny .sh script anf ftp :)07:33
Arbitercool :)07:34
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AnAntI have a problem packaging a library (fsplib), it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}07:40
AnAntso I got fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*07:41
AnAntyet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs !07:41
AnAntI looked at an example package and I still can't understand the problem07:41
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AnAntLaserJock: are you a MOTU reviewer ?07:44
AnAntcrimsun: you there ?07:44
LaserJockAnAnt: yes07:44
AnAntLaserJock: maybe that's why recover works for you07:45
AnAntajmitch: you there ?07:45
LaserJockwell, I think it works because I've had an account for quite some time07:45
AnAntslomo: u there ?07:47
AnAntslomo: ok, I got a question regarding http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=294707:47
AnAntslomo: if the original package that is in the edgy repos had those warnings "manpage-has-errors-from-man", "pkg-not-in-package-test", and  existance of Makefile.* in debian/ , should I fix those issues when I do changes to the package ?07:49
AnAntslomo: especially that I am not changing anything in the elinks & elinks-lite build targets, I am only adding a new build target "elinks-full" ?07:50
AnAntslomo: well ?07:50
slomodon't fix them unless it's a really trivial change or necessary ;)07:50
AnAntslomo: ok, thanks07:51
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AnAntbddebian: you there ?07:52
AnAntok, later07:54
bddebianslomo: Don't fix them?07:59
slomobddebian: it will only add a greater delta to debian which will cause more work while merging next times...08:00
bddebianslomo: And adding an additional binary package didn't? :-)08:00
bddebianshrug? :-)08:06
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lfittlhello everybody :)08:12
bddebianHeya lfittl08:13
lfittlhi bddebian08:13
slomobddebian: it adds additional work which is most probably not necessary ;)08:13
bddebianslomo: OK, what do I know.. :-)08:18
slomobddebian: well, i don't have a strong oppinion on whether they should be fixed or not :) do whatever you want ;)08:20
slomook, reboot08:21
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bddebianslomo: I don't really have an opinoin either, my only thought was that if you are offsetting the delta that much anyway, fix the other stuff and send it all to Debian :)08:32
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bddebianTo upload this package or not to upload.. That is the question...08:47
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TMMhey all!09:01
TMMcan someone please try something for me? apt-get install python-mysqldb and dpkg -L python-mysqldb ?09:02
TMMfor me, only the documentation is installed, but, when I build the source package everything is dandy09:02
TMMapart from the fact that apt keeps thinking that it's an older version, and wants to 'update' it back to the empty version09:02
TMMthis is edgy btw :)09:03
cr3in order to get a package into ubuntu, do I have to go through the Debian prospective package process?09:06
phanaticcr3: it's not needed09:07
phanaticcr3: you just have to upload it to revu09:07
welshbyteTMM: could it be Bug #55047 ?09:07
UbugtuMalone bug 55047 in python-mysqldb "python-mysqldb doesn't actually install any python" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5504709:08
cr3phanatic: revu?09:08
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ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU09:08
phanaticthanks zul :)09:08
zuli try...most of the time09:08
cr3ditto, thanks :)09:08
TMMwelshbyte: ... well, that MIGHT be the case09:10
TMMwelshbyte: :)09:10
bddebianHmm, how do I properly compress an old changelog file?09:14
zuler gzip09:15
bddebianIn rules?09:16
crimsunas opposed to dh_installman(1)?09:23
crimsun(and debian/foo.manpages)09:24
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Sp4rKydoes anyone could help me with this ....09:35
crimsun...more specifically?09:35
bddebianOh, still the /debian/foo problem?09:36
welshbyteprobably more helpful to pastebin your debian/rules file09:37
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welshbytebddebian: you might want to tell me what those jobs are now, i could probably deal with them before openvrml finishes building09:44
bddebianActually I think I am getting them done myself but thanks09:45
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welshbyteok :)09:45
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Sp4rKyso, does anyone could help me with this ....09:48
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welshbyteSp4rKy: probably more helpful to pastebin your debian/rules file09:50
welshbyteor at least the relevant part09:50
bddebianSp4rKy: Aye can you paste your rules file09:50
Sp4rKywelshbyte, bddebian of course09:51
slomodo you have a debian/eutils.install file?09:54
bddebianSp4rKy: build-stamp:  config.status09:55
bddebian        dh_testdir09:55
bddebian        # Add here commands to compile the package.09:55
bddebian        $(MAKE)09:55
bddebianYou are running make twice09:55
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bddebianHeya ivoks09:55
azeembddebian: how so?09:55
slomobddebian: hm?09:56
ivokshi all09:56
bddebianOh, I can't read09:56
ivoksdoh, cups bugs :(09:56
welshbytemaybe the configure script probably runs make itself09:56
welshbytes/probably //09:56
Sp4rKyso ...09:57
Sp4rKyjust comment the $(MAKE)09:57
Sp4rKyor patch the configure ...09:57
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welshbyteyou shouldn't need to patch configure09:58
Sp4rKybddebian, bddebian why twice ?09:58
bddebianSp4rKy: No, I was wrong.  Stupid split screen09:59
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Sp4rKyso i always don't understand10:01
Sp4rKyconfiugre doesn't run make10:01
welshbyteactually, make is being run in build-stamp: and install:10:01
welshbyteoh, not make install10:01
welshbyteignore me :)10:02
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shawarmabddebian: you rang, sir?10:03
Sp4rKyso, my rules seems good10:03
Sp4rKyand configure doesn't seem buggued10:03
Sp4rKywhere is my issue10:03
slomoSp4rKy: debian/eutils.install exists?10:05
Sp4rKySp4rKy-laptop% cat debian/eutils.install10:06
bddebianshawarma: Not recently, did I?10:06
slomoSp4rKy: try again after removing that file ;)10:08
Sp4rKyslomo, really ?10:08
slomoit's at least unnecessary in your case10:09
slomoand maybe the cause for this problem10:09
Sp4rKyi try10:10
shawarmabddebian: Not sure. My irc client just gave me the time of day.10:11
bddebianshawarma: Ah, Hmm10:12
shawarmabddebian: ...so it could be anytime between earlier today and about a week ago when I was last online.10:13
bddebianshawarma: I think it was about a week ago10:13
shawarmabddebian: perhaps something about asterisk?10:13
shawarmabddebian: I never got that upload sponsored btw. crimsun pointed out that -3 was right around the corner, so I figured I'd wait. This is the updated patch, if you're up for it: http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/asterisk-merge.diff10:14
Sp4rKyslomo, bddebian always the same issue10:15
shawarmahmm... what makes an app show up in the gnome applet management thing?10:16
shawarmathe .server file in /usr/lib/bonobo/servers, perhaps?10:17
slomoshawarma: yes10:18
Sp4rKyi have to go10:18
Sp4rKyif you have any idea, ping me tomorrow :p10:18
shawarmaslomo: Ok. Thanks.10:19
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shawarmaI've heard about this deskbar-applet SO many times and people are going mad about it, so I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about. I went to the applet management thing to find it, but it wasn't there. I checked if it was installed, which it was..10:21
slomohow is it called in your language? :)10:22
shawarmawell, it turns out that some genious translated "Deskbar applet" to "Kommandofelt" in Danish, which means "command field". No wonder I couldn't find it.10:22
shawarmawhy do I always type genious, when I mena genius?10:22
shawarmaand "mena" when I mena "mean"? :-)10:23
LaserJockgo play some Mao or something, you can't type today ;-)10:24
shawarmaLaserJock: Yeah. Been away from the keyboard for too long. I've had a good, looong holiday this summer. :-)10:25
LaserJockslacker :-)10:25
shawarmaLaserJock: In my defense I have to say that I had been misled to believe that the bed'n'breakfast place I stayed at in Italy was equipped with some sort of computer for internet access.10:26
LaserJockexcuses, excuses :p10:27
shawarmaLaserJock: ...so of course I left my laptop at home. Well, it turns out that there WAS internet in the house. Wifi-style. And there I was without my laptop.10:27
crimsuneh? If I ever get to take a vacation, I'm definitely going to enjoy the break from the 'net.10:28
shawarmaLaserJock: The first day was ok. I was tired after travelling anyway, but during the next couple of days I noted 37 things I would have looked up somewhere on the internet if I could.10:28
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shawarmacrimsun: Well, I need to stay in touch with "reality" because of my business.10:29
LaserJockcrimsun: I know the feeling, but then I just sit there the whole time thinking "I could be doing X if I had my  laptop with me"10:30
LaserJockmy net addiction, terrible10:30
shawarmaMy wrists are feeling a lot better after that week without touching a keyboard, though.10:30
LaserJockI bet10:31
LaserJockmy biggest problem is my eyes10:31
LaserJock12+ hrs of staring at a screen is no good10:31
tsengone finger, both wrists, right arm10:31
tsengare in increasingly bad shape10:32
tsenggoing to have to do something soon10:32
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shawarmatseng: I've got the wrist support things that I put on when it gets really bad. They help a LOT. I really should use them all the time.10:32
crimsuntseng: are you using workrave or rsibreak?10:32
tsengcrimsun: nope.10:33
tsengi do get up and walk around every hour or two10:33
tsengfor a few minutes10:33
crimsunI ended up switching away from qwerty10:33
shawarmaworkrave is really good. Especially the exercise things it shows.10:33
tsengi think the layout of my desk atm is pretty bad10:33
tsengi have a full size keyboard here10:33
tsengand the desk angles10:33
tsengthe mouse kind of slides off to the side10:34
tsengand is awkward to get10:34
tsengpicture time10:34
tsengat home i have the happy hacker keyboard10:34
tsengi think that could help here10:34
lfittlhelp needed: in the following scenario (gnupg package, needs the scard group to support openpgp smartcards), the user creates the scard group for some reason on his own, how should postinst and postrm react? They would normally create/remove the group.10:34
shawarmaI used to do them in the office. The other guys pointed and laughed the first couple of days. Within a couple of weeks everyone was doing it.10:34
tsengshawarma: oh, i dont remember them10:35
crimsunlfittl: use a bail case10:35
shawarmatseng: workrave has three kinds of breaks. micro breaks, coffee breaks and something else breaks. During those something else breaks it shows some exercises you can do.10:36
lfittlcrimsun: a bail case? what do you mean?10:37
tsengi think this is a problem10:37
crimsunlfittl: e.g., in the postinst, make sure groupadd -f is used, then you'll probably want to touch some type of indicator file that denotes the group existed prior to postinst being executed. Then in the postinst, check for the existence of the indicator file before removing the group.10:37
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tsengesp the keyboard and mouse sliding all over10:38
tsengat odd angles10:38
crimsunsorry, that last sentence should read "in the postrm"10:38
tsengi could tape it dow10:38
lfittlcrimsun: sounds good, where should I store that indicator file?10:38
crimsunlfittl: you don't have to use a file per se. I would probably use a debconf key.10:38
welshbytemeep, this build is taking up over 1GB of memory :/10:39
shawarmawelshbyte: what are you building?10:40
slomoeclipse? :)10:40
welshbyteshawarma: openvrml10:40
bddebianwelshbyte: "FUN" isn't it? ;-)10:40
welshbytebddebian: oh hell yeah :)10:40
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lfittlcrimsun: hmm, I am searching for a solution that gets accepted into gnupg before FF. Do you think the patch would be accepted if a debconf key is used? (it sounds rather complicated to me)10:41
crimsunlfittl: upstream (Debian)? If so, you'll want to coordinate with elmo.10:42
lfittlcrimsun: first ubuntu, debian is the next step10:42
azeemlfittl: what priority?10:43
crimsunpersonally I don't think the debconf key is _that_ bad10:43
lfittlcrimsun: I assume you mean I should still talk to elmo about it? :)10:43
lfittlazeem: you mean what priority that change has?10:43
crimsunsince he maintains the Debian package, it would be a good idea to at least get his opinion first10:43
azeemwhat debconf priority the question would have (unless I misunderstood)10:44
crimsunagain, I'd take elmo's opinion over mine in this regard, since he's more experienced with the package10:44
lfittlazeem: ah, there is no need for a question, it's just for internal purpose to preserve an existing group after package removal10:45
lfittlcrimsun: k, will try to get in contact with elmo, thanks for your help10:46
shawarmaDoes anyone know why rawstudio hasn't been built yet? the upload was accepted three weeks ago. It's listed here https://launchpad.net/people/shawarma/+packages but it doesn't turn up anywhere else.10:47
tsengbinary new?10:48
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tsengits in source NEW10:49
tsengevery new source package is put in a queue for manual review10:49
tsengbefore being allowed in10:49
tsengthen it builds, and is in binary review10:49
tsengit finally goes in after that10:49
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lfittlcrimsun: just had another idea, how about using delgroup --system in postrm, and forget about the whole debconf/indicator file stuff?10:50
tsengsubsequent source and binaries of the same name go right in10:50
shawarmatseng: binary review?10:50
tsengshawarma: whats to explain?10:50
tsengeach new binary name has to be manually approved10:50
shawarmatseng: Well, I understand why the biuld has to be manually approved (the build is run as root), but what does the binary review encompass?10:50
tsengsomeone looks at it10:50
tsengsays "oh"10:50
tsengand clicks ok10:50
shawarmatseng: LOL10:50
tsengmost of the review is on the license of the source package10:50
tsengand general sanity check10:51
shawarmaOk. and how long does this process last?10:51
tsengi doubt anyone really looks at the binary10:51
tsengshawarma: indefinately10:51
tseng < Keybuk> NEW isn't a FIFO, it's more of a FISO | < Keybuk> (Shiniest out)10:51
shawarmaam I supposed to bug someone to look at it or does it just happen?10:51
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tsengyou wait10:51
tsengand wait10:51
zuland wait10:51
tsengin Debian, you would wait some more10:52
tsengand some more10:52
shawarmashould I expect it to happen before edgy release?10:52
tsengubuntu is *generally* pretty fast10:52
tsengbut not lately10:52
crimsunlfittl: that doesn't seem to cover the case you're using it for10:52
tsengshawarma: you can hope10:52
azeemthe sprint is in effect10:52
tsengI won't promise you anything10:52
crimsunlfittl: meaning it will still remove the group10:52
tsengi imagine it will become a piority to clean up pretty soon10:52
tseng(After the summit)10:52
tsengazeem: it was dead slow before10:52
tsengaround the point release and kamions vacation10:53
azeemtseng: maybe it is inversely coupled to Debian's NEW processing :)10:53
tsengits been some weeks10:53
crimsunlfittl: unless I misinterpreted you, your intent is to _not_ remove the group in postrm if the group existed prior to postinst being executed10:53
shawarmatseng: right, ok. I guess it's the archive team that does this, right?10:53
tsengazeem: quite possible, debian was down to zero there :)10:53
tsengshawarma: uh, mostly10:53
tsengsame peopel atm10:53
tsengbut not nessecarily10:53
crimsunlfittl: IOW, "if it existed before [the sysadmin created it manually] , then don't touch the group"10:53
lfittlcrimsun: my intention is primary to not remove the group if the user created it on purpose before, but he most propably won't create it as a system group10:54
shawarmatseng: Ok. Thanks for clearing this up.10:54
tsengshawarma: np10:54
tsengheading home10:54
crimsunlfittl: but can you be sure that the user didn't?10:54
shawarmatseng: cheers.10:55
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lfittlcrimsun: the group is only used for smartcard reader device file permissions, and the gnupg howto about that doesn't use a system group10:55
lfittlcrimsun: also, why would somebody remove the gnupg package?10:56
crimsunlfittl: something like delgroup --only-if-empty --system   might be appropriate10:56
lfittlcrimsun: hmm10:56
lfittlcrimsun: will create a patch with this solution, and wait for elmo's comment about it10:57
crimsunlfittl: our intent as packagers should be to not think "why wouldn't this happen" but "what should be done when it happens", since software engineering practices have demonstrated that if there's a possibility something can happen, it probably will :)10:57
lfittlcrimsun: :)10:57
lfittlcrimsun: one last question, sry for asking you all this, what happens if the user downgrades the package, is the postrm/purge target called?10:59
bddebianHeya LaserJock10:59
LaserJockhi bddebian10:59
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crimsunlfittl: no prob. Quite probably, yes.11:03
crimsunlfittl: see section 6.5 at [http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s6.1] 11:03
lfittlcrimsun: ah thanks, I always miss the parts I am searching for :)11:03
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bddebianTime to head home.  Later folks11:25
NoumaanIt seems like we can not do much progress on Urdu Translation until we have Urdu fonts available in repositories :(11:29
NoumaanI am trying to get in touch with some one to get thsi work done. So that I could create a Wiki Page and invite people to help us11:30
NoumaanUbuntu's language support for Urdu package has no font dependency. By default Ubuntu comes with no decent font to view, create or modify Urdu documents. The most popular Urdu Font http://www.crulp.org/nafeesWebNaskh.html is available for grab how could we get it in the Ubuntu Desktop?11:30
NoumaanSome one should atleast add this font in Universe so that I could tell people to apt-get it11:31
crimsunare the packages on revu?11:31
Noumaancrimsun:  what is revu?11:31
crimsunsee the topic11:32
crimsununless you've submitted the source packages through revu, there's not much that can be done11:32
NoumaanI am not the owner or the creator of the font. but it is freely available at the above mentioned page with a license that allows us to use, modify and redistribute the font11:33
crimsunso why don't you package the font(s) and submit the source package(s) to revu?11:34
Noumaanhow do I do that?11:34
crimsundo what?11:34
Noumaanpackage the font and submit the source package?11:34
crimsunpackage the font(s)? Following the packaging guide and examples from other ttf-* font packages. See the URL in the topic for submitting to REVU.11:35
Noumaanok I was working on the wiki page but I guess I will have to first get the font added :(11:35
lfittlcrimsun: do you have some time for a review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931?11:37
crimsunnot atm, sorry.11:41
lfittlnp, just searching for reviewers ;)11:42
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lfittlanybody else interested / have some time for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=293111:43
Noumaancrimsun: I just found that this package is already listen in Debians Package List11:51
crimsunNoumaan: which package?11:51
NoumaanThe font Package Nafees Web Naskh http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/ttf-nafees11:52
crimsunand indeed, it's in Ubuntu Edgy11:53
crimsun$ apt-cache madison ttf-nafees11:53
crimsunttf-nafees |      1.2-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages11:53
crimsunttf-nafees |      1.2-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources11:53
Noumaanhow do we install it in Dapper?11:53
crimsundev work isn't done against 6.06.1 LTS11:53
crimsunyou should be targetting Edgy at this point11:53
Noumaanone last question11:54
Noumaanhow could we get a package moved from universe to default, seeing as Ubuntu doesnt have a font with urdu language support pack nafees is the perfect candidate11:55
crimsunNoumaan: file a main inclusion report (MIR) [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements] .11:56
Noumaancrimsun:  Thank you so much :)11:57
lfittlcrimsun: whats the best time to talk to elmo? (as I said, FF comes closer, want to get this finished)12:03
LaserJockI would say email12:03
lfittlLaserJock: good, thanks :)12:04
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