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Viper550I was trying that Keremik/QtCurve flush idea with the offical Kubuntu Colors, looks nice!12:19
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Viper550Anyone still here?12:42
exobuzzyes12:43
Viper550Were you here this morning when I was talking about QtCurve?12:44
exobuzzdamnit. my sleep pattern. fell asleep at 8:30pm and now woke up.. 11:45pm..12:44
Viper550EST12:44
exobuzzoh. you mean earlier.. yeh12:44
exobuzzwait.. what time is it now est ? :D12:44
Viper550I am whipping up an overlay for our current window decoration so it can look like Keramik (With the joined together effect), but not actually have to use it!12:45
exobuzzoh..12:45
Viper550I'm almost there, just has to be a bit brighter!12:45
exobuzz:)12:45
Viper550Hope this last stand helps...12:46
Viper550YEAH! Works perfectly!12:47
exobuzzi just read what you said about the new artwork. it is interesting. really something different. i rather like it.12:47
exobuzzthat earlier purple was too heavy12:47
Viper550You mean you like bringing back Keramik? Awesome! Nice to see that there are still Keramik fans out there!12:49
exobuzzi mean tthe new colour scheme for kdm and the new kde background12:49
exobuzzi didnt see the bit about keramik. its on the wiki ?12:50
Viper550Yes.12:50
exobuzzill check12:50
Viper550Look under Viper55012:50
exobuzzon the kubuntu wiki or ubuntu ?12:51
Viper550Ubuntu12:52
Viper550Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas12:52
exobuzzi like the 4th background in this pic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bg_variations2.jpg12:53
exobuzzwhich is the current one12:53
Viper550Yeah, I saw, looks awesome! But still, the Flower goes a bit nicer12:54
exobuzzi dont know if i like the flower. i like erm non specific background which dont have a focal point12:55
exobuzzlike simple gradients/etc12:55
Viper550But still, I'm a bit concerned about the Button design12:57
exobuzzgive me an example?12:57
exobuzzbtw im just a user. not a developer. :)12:57
exobuzzwell. i develop on kubuntu. but not for kubuntu :-)12:57
Viper550Notice on the default window border, the minimize glyph isn't exactly at the bottom.12:57
Viper550Looks a bit, odd like that.12:58
exobuzzsorry, which picture ?12:58
Viper550On the actual Crystal window botder on Dapper12:59
exobuzzoh..12:59
exobuzzi never liked that i use the platik one :-)01:00
exobuzzill switch and have a look01:00
Viper550Yeah, is it the buttons that made you dislike it?01:00
exobuzzerm.. well i dont like them.. i mean. thats the main thing about it01:00
Viper550You can change them, and add a transparency effect to the theme!01:01
exobuzzi much prefer the plastik ones.. square with simple gradient.01:01
exobuzzyeh i saws that the crystal theme is very configurable. but as i like the plastik ones, i didnt bother01:02
exobuzz:)01:02
Viper550Oh...01:04
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danimoheya!01:32
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omeowEvening.02:33
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bddebianHeya03:03
imbrandonheya danimo and bddebian03:48
bddebianHi imbrandon03:48
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imbrandonugh this john dong is just arbitrarly picking things to backport, it looks like he is trying to backprt all of edgy ;)03:50
bddebian:-)03:50
imbrandonlike gtk-qt-engines, heh that wont fly without some changes03:50
imbrandonand quite a few others03:50
imbrandonheheh03:50
Hobbseemorning all03:51
=== imbrandon disables dapper-backports in the sources.list untill it calms down so as not to break my stable system
imbrandonheya Hobbsee03:51
freeflyingAmarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?03:51
=== Hobbsee wonders if kopete finished building last night
imbrandonfreeflying: btw ppc has been uploaded all day i just forgot to tell you ;)03:52
imbrandoni did it before i went to sleep03:52
freeflyingimbrandon: amarok is in archive now03:52
imbrandoni mean for dapper ;)03:52
freeflyingimbrandon: :)03:52
imbrandoni know i pulled the edgy builds from my server03:53
imbrandonno need for them03:53
imbrandonwhen its in the archive and its exactly the same03:53
imbrandonif i add libmtp later i might 03:53
imbrandonput them back up for edgy but no need right now03:53
freeflyingI can't use it now03:54
imbrandonwhy ?03:54
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freeflyingimbrandon: Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?03:56
Hobbseefreeflying: means "something may have happened, i dont know what"03:56
Hobbseefreeflying: tried removing the amarok config files?03:56
imbrandonyou problably have to get rid of your db and recreate it03:57
freeflyingHobbsee: 03:57
freeflyingselect(17, [3 4 5 15 16] , [] , [] , {0, 3310}) = 0 (Timeout)03:57
freeflyingwaitpid(8153, 0x7fcadfd0, WNOHANG)      = 003:57
freeflyingioctl(5, FIONREAD, [0] )                 = 003:57
freeflyingioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0] )                 = 003:57
imbrandonit might not have updated correct03:57
Hobbseeimbrandon: did you want to test the dapper debs of kopete?  they build and install fine03:59
DaSkreechHobbsee: Hallo04:00
imbrandonsure gimme a link to the source , i'll stick them in for peple to test04:00
Hobbseeimbrandon: the source?04:01
imbrandonjust the edgy source ?04:01
Hobbseeimbrandon: both source and binaries are in /home/sarah/kopete/04:01
Hobbseeyeah04:01
Hobbseejust test the debs to see that they dont blow up04:01
imbrandonk04:01
Hobbseethey build and install fine04:01
Hobbsees\sarah\hobbsee\04:01
imbrandonyou request a backport ?04:01
Hobbseenot yet04:01
Hobbseei wanted to know if it was backportable before that :P04:02
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imbrandonleaste you check , a certain person the the backport team dosent even check before he tries04:02
Hobbseeouch04:03
Hobbseeright.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/5764604:05
UbugtuMalone bug 57646 in kopete "Please backport kopete 4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 to dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  04:05
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DaSkreechHmm how do I get things onto GHNS?04:06
imbrandonghns?04:06
DaSkreechKGHNS?04:07
imbrandon...04:07
DaSkreechGet Hot New Stuff04:08
imbrandonHobbsee: kopete seems to work fine04:08
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice04:08
imbrandonDaSkreech: wth is that ?04:08
Hobbseei thought it would...04:08
DaSkreechHaha http://kstuff.org IIRC04:08
imbrandonDaSkreech: you problably bug them not us ;)04:09
DaSkreechWell as I recall if you can get from there you should also be able to upload but everywhere seems to implement it differently04:09
DaSkreechwill we have Xara in edgy? :-)04:10
imbrandonwhat ? your not making sense /me gos back to work04:10
HobbseeDaSkreech: see packages.u.c and have a look04:11
imbrandonask em in #kubuntu they know as much as we do if something will be in or not DaSkreech :) </punk_mode_off>04:11
imbrandonheh i'm bad sometimes, ignore me DaSkreech04:12
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DaSkreechthat's /ignore right?04:12
DaSkreechimbrandon: Right click Desktop _> configure Desktop -> Get new wallpapers (Over on the right)04:16
DaSkreechThat's GHNS04:16
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imbrandonthast all in good , my question was more why were you asking us ?04:17
imbrandonheh04:17
DaSkreechcause I didn't know if there was a standard way of managing it. I'm not sure whether some apps are calling old versions of GHNS or if some are just stingy buggers04:19
DaSkreechhowever I think #kde might be more apropros04:19
imbrandon;)04:21
DaSkreechI think it's like the coolest way to get community from non devs who have skill but no time04:23
=== DaSkreech would pimp it a lot more except for the problems noted above
bddebianDaSkreech: What about those of us that have some time but no skill? ;-)04:36
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imbrandonlol @ DaSkreech04:39
imbrandonbddebian: shush you are top on lp ;) cant get out of it04:40
imbrandonhehe04:40
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DaSkreechFine fine. 04:43
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bddebianDaSkreech: :-)04:57
DaSkreechSo XGL can't be shipped working?04:59
DaSkreechOK I'm rambling I need to go to sleep05:01
nixternal[21:36:41]  <bddebian> DaSkreech: What about those of us that have some time but no skill? ;-)05:01
nixternal[21:37:22]  * DaSkreech points toward documentation 05:01
nixternalwatch it bud, thin ice i tell ya ;)05:01
bddebianheh05:03
DaSkreech:-D05:04
DaSkreechAs I said I can't be held accountable for my statements here unless theyare great and resound through history in that case I was awake and sober!05:04
nixternalhaha05:06
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kwwii_Riddell: htpp://bootsplash.org/puredisplay_pics.tar.gz09:55
Hobbseekwwii_: what are they?09:55
kwwii_Hobbsee: bg pics for katapult09:55
imbrandonheya Riddell, what ya think about backporting libvisial-0.4 and libtunepimp3 ( so amarok can be back ported ) i have it in my repos with a few dozen people using it just fine it seems 09:55
kwwii_moin Hobbsee09:55
kwwii_:-)09:55
Hobbseenice :)09:55
kwwii_hi imbrandon09:55
Hobbseeheya09:55
imbrandonmoins kwwii_09:55
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Riddellimbrandon: I'm not sure what the poliy is on backporting libraries but I'd be all for it09:56
imbrandonints funny when the internet gets turned on you see everyone connect09:56
imbrandonlol09:56
kwwii_imbrandon: did you get to the start page css yet? :-)09:56
imbrandonkwwii_: kinda then i fell asleep heh give me a few minutes09:56
imbrandonand i'll have ya something09:56
imbrandonnathan put the images09:57
imbrandonon the wiki kubuntu incoming09:57
kwwii_killer, thanks09:57
imbrandoni seen last night09:57
kwwii_it must be like 3am for you now, or?09:57
imbrandonRiddell: whom should i ask as i dont trust "john dong"'s abaility to intreprit my bug correctly heh09:57
imbrandonkwwii_: yea 2:57 ;)09:58
Riddellimbrandon: mez09:58
kwwii_;-)09:58
imbrandonbut nows about the time i get up, i wake about 12 midnight normaly09:58
imbrandonlocaltime09:58
imbrandonRiddell: okies09:58
Hobbseekopete backports got approved :)09:58
imbrandonyea it will hit the archive soon09:59
imbrandonhrm mez isnt here ;(09:59
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=== imbrandon will wait i guess
imbrandonyea i told a few in #kubuntu about backports opening up and they were all like WOW ktorrent 2 is finaly here !!!10:00
imbrandonhehe10:00
imbrandoni guesss it was only announced on the ml and isnt enabled by default10:00
imbrandonso i might blog about it later so it hits planet ;)10:00
Riddellimbrandon: wait until we have the obvious kde backports in it10:01
imbrandonokie10:01
imbrandonyea a few are in like ktorrent and kopete and kbfx10:01
imbrandonbut a few more need to get in10:01
Riddellthat's good that they get fast10:01
Riddellget in fast10:01
imbrandonyea jdong is great about getting them in quick as long as they compile out of the box10:02
imbrandonwith no changes10:02
imbrandonbut he dont hand out on irc unfortunately10:02
imbrandoni need to fix kflickr to someon requested it and it fails on the manpage in dapper pbuilder for some reason but not edgy 10:02
Hobbseemuch10:02
=== imbrandon will look at that today
Hobbseeimbrandon: probably helps that we're MOTU's too, so they think we know what we're talking about10:03
imbrandonheh true but from the looks of it jdong has just been going down the list no matter whome reports it and if it compiles in a dapper pbuilder he pushes it10:03
imbrandonfrom what i can tell10:03
imbrandoni dont rightly know if thats a good thing or bad tbh ;)10:04
Hobbseetrue10:04
Hobbseeoh its' good10:04
imbrandonRiddell: is mez in weisben ( sp? )10:05
Riddellimbrandon: no10:05
imbrandonk10:05
imbrandoni'll email him, i seen him on irc yesterday10:06
imbrandonso he's active again10:06
Riddellhe's in Englandshire10:06
Hobbseeimbrandon: weisbaden.  spreke du Deutsch nichte?10:06
Hobbseeyay.  i cant spell10:06
imbrandonheh10:06
Riddellbut he's sorted his internet and living arrangements out so he should be active10:06
imbrandonyea he has been arround the last 48 hrs that i've noticed10:06
imbrandonat leaste, thats just what i noticed10:07
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imbrandonhe approved me for kubuntu-team yesterday so i wouldent have to sub to a ton of bugs ;)10:07
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Hobbsee...10:09
imbrandonkwwii_: err better yet Riddell are those css doc in k-d-s or the actual packages10:09
Hobbseeimbrandon: kubuntu team doesnt get bug reports emailed to them10:09
Riddellimbrandon: there's nothing kubuntu specific about them (yet)10:09
imbrandonok so they /should/ get into k-d-s but not atm10:09
imbrandonHobbsee: sure they do , ahve a looksee https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs10:11
Riddellit's probably easiest just to patch kdebase10:11
imbrandonRiddell: ok sounds great to me, i like easy10:11
Hobbseeimbrandon: true, but you dont get email notification of all of them10:11
Hobbseeand most bugs arent assigned to kubuntu team10:11
Hobbseeohhhh...is that why i've been getting random emails for some bugs?10:11
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imbrandonlol10:11
imbrandongah ok i'm being dumb , whats the easiest way to grep a dir of files and have it show you what file a string is in10:13
imbrandoni thought about cat *|grep blah10:14
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imbrandonbut that wont show the file10:14
kwwii_Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/new_buttons.tar.gz10:17
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sebasDuuuuuuuuuuuude!10:18
Riddellhe's gone to kill his lungs10:20
Hobbseehah.10:20
HobbseeRiddell: spoken like a true non-smoker10:20
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sebasIieeuwk.10:21
imbrandonlot less walking that way10:21
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sebasIs someone preparing 1.4.2 amarok packages, btw?10:21
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imbrandonheh i should put a smoke in my mouth in the gotchi ;)10:21
imbrandonsebas: done10:21
Riddellsebas: it's on my todo list10:21
imbrandondapper i386 and ppc on my website, edgy in the main repos10:21
Riddellimbrandon: still compiled against kde 3.5.4 presumably?10:22
imbrandonno10:22
imbrandon3.5.210:22
imbrandondapper default10:22
sebasKewl10:22
Riddellimbrandon: I thought I read that your i386 ones were against kde 3.5.4?10:23
imbrandonnah10:23
imbrandonwhen i did 1.4.1 they was10:23
imbrandonnot this time10:23
Riddellcool10:23
imbrandoni did them in a default dapper pbuilder this time10:23
imbrandonhttp://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/10:23
Riddellimbrandon: did you come across libtunepimp3-mp3 not being able to install?10:23
imbrandonyea i dunno wth that is but amarok dosent need it10:24
imbrandonsomething about the .so being in two of the packages10:24
Hobbseeimbrandon: the stuff on amarok wiki about installing for kubuntu is not crackful now :10:24
Hobbsee)10:24
Riddellyou won't need it for compiling right enough10:25
imbrandonHobbsee: was it ? heh10:25
Hobbseeimbrandon: ah, yeah.  it was using czezzi repos, for one thing.10:25
Riddellimbrandon: so I could put your packages on kubuntu.org?10:25
imbrandonyou only need -dev to compile and tunepimp3(not -mp3 ) to run it10:25
imbrandonRiddell: ^^10:25
imbrandonRiddell: sure10:25
imbrandonRiddell: you will still need to compile amd64 though10:25
imbrandoni dident do that10:25
Riddellyes10:26
Hobbseeimbrandon: would that get included as a shlib depends then?10:26
imbrandoneverything you should need for dapper default is in that pool dir 10:26
imbrandonHobbsee: yes it does10:26
Hobbseeso wouldnt the broken lib get installed when you tried to install amarok?10:27
imbrandoni fixed it up that way in the control file ( thats why the one in the dapper pool says +dapperfix 10:27
imbrandonHobbsee: no10:27
Hobbseeah10:27
imbrandonbecouse on dapper you have to implisitly dep on libvisual-0.4-0 also10:28
imbrandonor it tried to use libvisual0.2 and fails10:28
imbrandonbut like i said i smoothed all that out when i backported it , there are a few dozen people that have it installed10:29
imbrandonand no probs yet ;)10:29
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imbrandonHobbsee: plus i installed it on my lappy too to make sure LOL10:30
imbrandonheh10:30
imbrandonlater sebas10:30
sebascya10:30
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice10:30
Hobbseebye sebas 10:30
imbrandonyea and afaik that tunepimp3 problem is in edgy too whom ever maintains it just hasent fixed it and i dident look into it since amarok dident need it10:31
RiddellI'm fixing it now10:32
imbrandonk10:32
imbrandononce you upload lemme know , someon made me famous while i slept and i'll change it to kubuntu.org ;)10:32
imbrandon!amarok10:32
ubotuamarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/10:32
imbrandonhehehehe10:32
Hobbseenice.10:33
=== Hobbsee should have used that factoid earlier
imbrandonisnt there a way to see who added that ?10:33
imbrandon!-amarok10:33
ubotuamarok has no aliases - added by apokryphos on 2006-07-05 22:33:0810:33
Hobbseeimbrandon: oh.  it's unchanged?  yeah, i did10:33
imbrandonahh yea thats it10:33
Hobbseeimbrandon: added != changed10:33
imbrandonahh ;)10:33
Hobbseeimbrandon: bot database tells you10:33
imbrandonso you made me famous ;)10:33
imbrandonhehe10:34
imbrandonahh yea i fixed the "all" on my repo to work correctly too Hobbsee10:34
imbrandonand new konversation just uploaded10:34
alleeHobbsee: care to sync knemo?10:35
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Hobbseeallee: when i get home again, yeah.10:35
Hobbseeallee: i'm off to set some things on fire10:36
alleeheh, have fun10:36
Hobbseeoh i will :D10:36
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tomadid anyone say 'fire' ?10:45
imbrandonhehe10:45
Hobbseetoma: yep :D10:45
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tomamorning all10:46
imbrandonfire fire , heheheh fire fire ( in his bevis and butthead voice )10:46
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tomahey!10:46
tomaHobbsee: that's not very friendly10:47
Hobbseetoma: sure?10:47
Hobbseeits' a good way to keep warm!10:47
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Hobbseechildren, children...10:48
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alleerdhiman attacked > 2 dozend openusability groups since last night.  sounds heavy weighted10:50
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=== imbrandon hums the kubuntu tune o/~
imbrandonerr wait there isnt a kubuntu tune .....11:17
imbrandon;)11:17
kwwii_imbrandon: I cannot open your svg with inkscape11:19
kwwii_what did you make it with?11:19
kwwii_it kills my inkscape evertime I try11:19
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imbrandonhrm , inkscape in edgy11:21
imbrandonits modified from a gpl set i found, lemme find it11:21
kwwii_it is probably my inkscape11:22
kwwii_I build the latest stuff11:22
imbrandonyea becouse i opened it on osx inkscape and edgy 11:22
imbrandonheh11:22
Riddell"Accepted strigi"  awooga awooga11:22
imbrandonand ilistror for that matter11:23
imbrandonRiddell: can you try to open that svg just to test please11:23
imbrandoni cc'd it to you11:23
imbrandonthe other day11:23
Riddellimbrandon: works for me11:23
imbrandonheh okies , yea kwwii_ grab a new inkscape lol, just playin, what can i do to help ?11:24
imbrandonanother format export or something ?11:24
imbrandonits a modified form of the fedora "echo" icons for kde if you wanna try the orig11:25
imbrandonkwwii_: ^^11:25
imbrandoni just added the glare stripe and made it purple 11:26
imbrandonoh and changed the grey to charcoal11:26
kwwii_imbrandon: don't worry about it, I will figure something out11:26
imbrandonlike the login 11:26
kwwii_if nothing else, I will do it in AI :-)11:27
imbrandonhehe okie11:27
imbrandonohh one more thing11:27
kwwii_hehe11:27
imbrandonPLEASE tell me nixternals box is messed up and got the wrong bg set by default11:27
imbrandonand its the 5c being used not the 511:27
imbrandonhehehe11:27
imbrandonpretty please , with sugar11:28
imbrandonheh11:28
imbrandonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bg_variations2.jpg   <-- thats what i'm speaking of, mine is 5c but his seemed to default to the yellowish plain 511:29
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imbrandons/tio/tion11:30
kwwii_hehe11:31
imbrandonwhoop guess not ;)11:31
kwwii_it is the 5c11:31
imbrandonserouisly though please tell me , ohhh good11:31
kwwii_erm, rather, it is the 511:32
kwwii_sorry11:32
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kwwii_but i will change it every couple of weeks or so11:32
kwwii_we will probably end up using 5a11:32
imbrandonyea 5c == good 5 == bad, yeallow and purple dont look nice in that context11:32
imbrandonall of them are good cept plain 5 heheh11:33
kwwii_:-)11:33
imbrandonmaybe blue and purple but yellow and purple ? ;) heheh11:33
kwwii_Riddell said the yellow looks like puke11:33
imbrandonhahaha11:33
imbrandonyea i thought that too 11:33
imbrandonbut dident wanna say it11:33
kwwii_it is too much of an evening feeling, I thikn11:33
kwwii_think11:33
kwwii_but using the pure purple makes things way too purple11:34
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imbrandon5b and c might be cool "mixed" though11:34
kwwii_mark actually siad he loves it11:34
kwwii_said11:34
imbrandonmark liked the brown too though LOL11:34
imbrandon( as in ubuntu proper )11:34
imbrandonyea it is an evening color11:34
imbrandonor even if the yellow and the purple dident mix so much , like your flower photo it looks great11:35
imbrandonlike if the transition was more defined or something11:35
imbrandoni dunno hell your the artist ;)11:35
imbrandonheheh11:35
cmvokwwii_: Hi! I'd like 5b, but I don't count much, seems I don't have a mainstream taste :-)11:38
kwwii_:-)11:38
imbrandoncmvo: yea 5b is nice but moreso for dapper11:38
kwwii_we will test them all and see what everyone thinks11:38
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kwwii_;-)11:38
imbrandonwhat about throwing your flower in there too11:39
imbrandoni would like to see that as a default actualy11:39
cmvoMaybe one conservative theme and one edgy ...11:39
imbrandonugh this isnt all css infact its alot of NOT css 12:09
imbrandonheh but i'm not gonna let it get the best of me12:09
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SimeDoes anyone know if Tonio was able to get kde-systemsettings repackaged?12:22
imbrandonSime: no idea12:22
Riddellkwwii__: http://kubuntu.co.uk/~jriddell/tmp/o2.tar.gz12:22
Riddellkwwii__: you'll need to edit the paths in o2display.cpp12:23
imbrandonRiddell: this is lookin "beuitumus" ( fake word lol ) i'll show ya in a sec , almost done12:23
Riddellwhit?12:23
imbrandonthe css/images for konq and friends12:24
imbrandonRiddell / kwwii__ http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss1.png   <-- top part done, thats what your speaking of before i go too far right ?12:26
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/o2.tar.gz12:26
kwwii__imbrandon: I think that the top purple is too dark12:27
imbrandonok easy to change12:27
imbrandongot an rgb you like ?12:27
imbrandoneasy to do it that way ;)12:27
kwwii__hrm, I guess one like the one I sent you yesterday :-)12:27
imbrandonnote this is the same color thats in the middle as the dark blue12:28
kwwii__yeah12:28
kwwii__#7061A5 or lighter12:28
imbrandonhrm that is using what you sent yesterday12:28
imbrandonok12:28
kwwii__or as light as #B7ABD712:28
kwwii__but that it a bit too light12:28
imbrandonkk12:29
imbrandonkwwii__: 7C6CB212:31
imbrandonlooks good imho12:31
imbrandonone sec i'll grab another screenie12:31
kwwii__cool12:35
imbrandonkwwii__ http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss2.png   <-- thats 7c6cb212:35
imbrandonlook alright there ? and i'll do the rest12:37
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kwwii__imbrandon: much better!12:42
kwwii__thanks man12:42
imbrandonkk i was hoping , already started the rest while waiting ;)12:42
imbrandonhehe12:42
imbrandonPS in wire rocks lol shhhh12:42
imbrandons/wire/wine12:42
kwwii__:-)12:43
kwwii__doesn't work so well on ppc :p12:43
imbrandonyea thats why i keep osx on the ppc lappy12:43
imbrandonjust for that 12:43
imbrandoneven though i'm not an artist i like to play with it heheh and simplish stuff like this i can do ;)12:44
Lurekwwii__: new theme is great, I have only three minor points12:47
Lurekwwii__: splash wallpaper is now big enough for my wide screen (1920x1200)12:47
Riddellthat sounds like a good thing12:48
Lurekwwii__: login dialog Menu button is not almost OK - if you would make it 15-20% wider, the whole text would fit12:48
Lurekwwii__: why is background image not centered (a bit moved to upper side) - because of kicker? I have taskbar on top and then it looks very empty on bottom12:49
kwwii__Lure: the pics I submitted so far are only 1600x120012:50
kwwii__I still need to make bigger versions12:50
kwwii__and we are going to make the splash image scaled as well12:50
Lurekwwii__: ok, I just wanted to confirm it is on your list... ;-)12:50
kwwii__the menu button should be changed, you are right12:50
kwwii__Lure: definitely12:50
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Lurewhat is the process to get knetworkmanager backported - some important fixes (+ right size icons) are in edgy01:10
imbrandonLure: if it will compile with a dapper pbuilder with NO changes just request it via a bug against dapper-backports01:10
imbrandon( product dapper-backports )01:11
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Tonio_heya*01:34
Tonio_kwwii_: I abslotly LOVE the new artwork01:34
Tonio_absolutly01:34
imbrandonkwwii_: ping http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss3.png01:34
imbrandonhows the finished look01:34
imbrandonbrb more mt dew for me !!01:35
imbrandonmoins Tonio_01:35
Tonio_hey imbrandon01:36
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imbrandon'ello allee01:37
alleehi imbrandon 01:37
imbrandonhey allee your a DD right ? i just got a quick question 01:38
alleeNo, I'm no DD and no MOTU, but feel free to ask nevertheless01:38
imbrandonheh i was just gonna ask how long things normaly sat in their new que01:38
imbrandonmy sponsor uploaded it but its been in the que 3 days01:39
imbrandonheh01:39
alleeoh, currently just some days in debian NEW queue.01:39
imbrandonyea http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html01:39
Tonio_hum, did someone find the sources for that new kickoff start menu ?01:39
alleebut currently is holiday season.  I would assume that it will pass/reject this weekend ;)01:40
Tonio_heya allee ;)01:40
alleeho ho Tonio_ !01:40
imbrandonTonio_: no its not in public svn yet, he is supose to ping me when it go's public01:40
Tonio_imbrandon: great01:40
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imbrandoni'ma stick it in universe , and possibly main if we can get it in time ;)01:40
imbrandonhehe01:40
alleeTonio_: afair beineri mentioned that after next opensuse beta01:40
Tonio_I just hope that will not be linked to yast, like knetworkmanager01:40
Tonio_because that results lots of patches that we have to rewrite with each release....01:41
imbrandonallee yea he was in here a few days ago and said it would hit the public svn a few days before sept 7th01:41
Tonio_allee okay ;)01:41
Tonio_allee did you notice that deadkey issue too ?01:41
alleeimbrandon has a more presice memory than me :)01:41
imbrandonheh01:41
Tonio_I'm trying to play with libqt3-mt to resolve this....01:41
Tonio_dirty bug01:42
alleeTonio_: no, 'cause I don't use dead keys01:42
Tonio_allee okay ;)01:42
alleeTonio_: but I miss my kwallet icon.  No way to get to my forgotten but written down passwds (dapper)01:42
Tonio_I too....01:43
Tonio_I'm wondering if this is a kubuntu or kde issue01:43
Tonio_allee we should ask to 3.5.4/dapper users 01:44
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imbrandonkwwii_: that look ok to send a patch to Riddell ?01:46
imbrandonkwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss3.png01:46
Riddellhe's at lunch01:46
imbrandonahh ok01:46
imbrandonwhat do you think Riddell01:46
imbrandonhehe01:46
Riddellit's very purple01:47
imbrandonyea 01:47
imbrandonbut i think it looks better than the blue on purple01:47
imbrandonpersonaly heh 01:47
kwwii_imbrandon: I like it, but I think that we should make the lower bg color a lot lighter01:49
imbrandonlike the main body 01:50
imbrandonpart01:50
imbrandonas in lower01:50
kwwii_yepp01:50
imbrandonwhat about an almost white purple01:50
imbrandonalmost white with a hint of purple even i mean01:51
kwwii_yepp01:51
imbrandonkk 01:51
kwwii_we could even reduce the saturation a bit01:52
Tonio_Riddell: can you confirm the wallet not showing in the systray issue on edgy ?01:52
RiddellTonio_: my wallet is indeed not behaving01:53
Tonio_Riddell: hum, that's a real problem :)01:53
Tonio_I didn't found a way to reactivate it...01:53
Tonio_I'm reporting on malone01:53
imbrandonkwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss4.png hows something like that , naturaly the bottom 3 png's need changed to match01:55
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imbrandonello apachelogger01:56
apacheloggerhola :)01:57
Tonio_alleecan you confirm bug/57696 plz ?01:57
Tonio_Riddell: I'm fixing bugs 56377 this afternoon, I have the solution for this01:58
UbugtuMalone bug 56377 in kdebase "klipper crashes on login " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5637701:58
Riddellnice02:00
kwwii_imbrandon: I hate to bitch, but it is a bit too light, I think02:12
imbrandonno no i dont mind at all,02:13
insanekanei think purple is really very wrong02:13
imbrandonkwwii_: how about http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss5.png the thing about that is though it will blend with the stripe at the bottom as its almost the same color if i change the bottom png's02:16
imbrandonOR we could just take the bottom swoosh out , since we're changing it anyhow heh02:17
kwwii_imbrandon: better02:22
kwwii_I think that we could check that in now and see what people say02:22
imbrandonso leave the bottom as is ?02:22
imbrandonhrm or i could put that thin black line to seperate it like the top has02:23
imbrandoni think that would work02:23
kwwii_yes, I think so02:23
kwwii_the bottom wave should be very subtle02:23
Tonio_imbrandon: I really prefer the top as this, with less white02:24
imbrandonso fill the dark purple at the bootom with the color from the middle 02:24
Tonio_kwwii_: concerning the kdm theme, I'm impressed :) kickass, really !02:24
imbrandonTonio_: huh ? i dident quite understand what you were saying02:25
imbrandonkwwii_: ok so leave it exactly like the ss or fill the dark at the bottom with the middle color02:25
imbrandonmaing a very subtle swoosh02:26
Tonio_imbrandon: on your latest screenshot, it looks like the top of the window decoration doesn't have as much white as the current I have here02:26
imbrandonahh yea 02:26
Tonio_the gradient is better probably02:26
kwwii_imbrandon: fill the dark in the bottom with a lighter color02:26
imbrandonok 02:26
kwwii_or perhaps a gradient02:26
imbrandonyea good idea i think a gradient wiill work 02:26
imbrandonhrm but its 3 sep png;s02:27
imbrandonheh02:27
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imbrandonahhh i know02:27
imbrandonok nvm02:27
kwwii_;-)02:27
Tonio_kwwii_: ping ?02:28
kwwii_Tonio_: pong02:28
Tonio_kwwii_: ah ! you can read me :)02:29
Tonio_it is the very first time I'm telling you I love something at the very first shot and you didn't even answer ;)02:29
kwwii_only when I want to :p02:29
kwwii_hehe02:29
imbrandonhaha02:29
kwwii_now I read the log...02:29
kwwii_thanks a lot :-)02:29
kwwii_I was at lunch02:29
Tonio_kwwii_: hehe oki doki :)02:30
kwwii_it is nice to hear good things :-)02:30
Tonio_Riddell: we will have an issue to merge qt from debian.......02:34
Riddellwhat's that?02:34
Tonio_it now depends firebird2-dev which is in universe02:34
Riddellit always has02:34
Tonio_Riddell: yes but it fails if I remove the depandancy02:35
Tonio_Riddell: am I missing the trick ?02:35
Riddellthere's stuff in rules that needs changed too I think02:35
Riddelllook at KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-CHANGES02:35
Tonio_Riddell: ah okay, I thought that wasn't touched at all ;)02:35
Tonio_Riddell: thanks for the tip02:36
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imbrandonok kwwii_ hows this for subtle , i think i got it this time ;) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss6.png02:42
imbrandonheya nathan02:43
n8k99heya brandon02:43
imbrandoni snaged you images an modified it a tad ;)02:43
imbrandonerr image02:43
n8k99kuell!02:43
kwwii_this is kwwiis secretary, kwwii can not come to irc at the moment, please leave a message and he will get back to you02:43
imbrandontake a peek at the ss , that might be semi final ( at leaste for the moment )02:43
imbrandonhahahaha02:44
n8k99the one off the kubuntu/artwork or the ones on my wiki page?02:44
imbrandonbeeeeep02:44
imbrandonthe former n8k99 i dident see your wiki02:44
n8k99kwii_ secretary: that's very funny :D 02:44
n8k99i set up a launchpad wiki page under NathanEckenrode02:44
imbrandonkwwii_: heh that look ok as far as subtle though , with the gradient ( eventualy i think we need to desaturate them all though )02:45
n8k99just cuz I got upset with having to load six desktops everytime I looked at the Kubuntu page02:45
imbrandonlol02:45
imbrandonbuy a domain like me ;)02:45
imbrandonimnathan.com ;) lol02:46
n8k99i have one eckenrodehouse.net02:46
n8k99https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode02:46
imbrandonthere ya go ;)02:46
imbrandoni have http://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon http://www.imbrandon.com and http://wiki.kubunut.org/imbrandon , but none have prety artwork ;)02:47
imbrandonnate can you take the kmail and the akrogator ones and use .....02:48
n8k99that's the first thing I do when I move into a new place, hang some drapes02:48
imbrandoncan you use 7c6cb2 for the top purple on those02:49
imbrandonthe rest the same02:49
imbrandonthen it will match the other css and stuff i have sone02:49
n8k99erm, yeah - I was having trouble with those two getting them to match up02:50
imbrandonerm yea those all do look diffrent02:50
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imbrandondid you just color shift them or something02:50
imbrandonapachelogger: the day before release ;) j/k02:51
n8k99no, well, yes, but i color shifted all of them02:51
apacheloggerimbrandon: oh ubuntu drops usplash that fast? :P02:51
n8k99i just did not save the konqi as .xcf and could not remmeber how to reproduce it02:51
n8k99there were several layers and such that made it come out like that02:52
apachelogger<-- waiting for qt4 to finish compile02:52
imbrandonheh i just edited the png02:52
n8k99 :S 02:52
imbrandon(s)02:52
n8k99yeah, that's what i did for the other two and i didnt like them as much02:52
apacheloggerbtw, I think beside kopete I didn't get a package into edgy yet :P02:52
apacheloggerno one revus my uploads02:53
imbrandoni never see your uploads02:53
imbrandonheh02:53
imbrandonwell i saw ktorrent but you had changed too much unnessesary stuff i just had to redo it02:53
apacheloggerimbrandon: I did upload ktorrent?02:53
imbrandonon kde-apps you did when 2 hit02:54
imbrandoni ended up not using it though02:54
apachelogger?02:54
apacheloggerOo02:54
n8k99oo 7c6cb2 is much lighter; even lighter than the bottom, you have a number for the bottom?02:55
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imbrandonbottom of what part02:55
n8k99beneath the curve02:55
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imbrandonhrm one sec02:55
imbrandonlemme just give you mine and you can sample the colors02:56
n8k99ok02:56
imbrandonbecouse you will need to make it match the middle too02:56
imbrandonand the line02:56
n8k99yeah - there is tons that will need to match02:56
kwwiiI was afraid that simply changing the colors of everything would be hard02:56
kwwiisometimes it is almost easier to do it new from scratch02:56
imbrandonyea 02:56
n8k99although i think that the swoop looks better with the lighter bg02:56
kwwiiI think that the svgs for that stuff is on kde-look.org02:57
imbrandonthats what i did on the VERY bottom02:57
kwwiicool02:57
imbrandonNOW ya tel me02:57
n8k99oh really! 02:57
imbrandontell me02:57
imbrandonlol02:57
n8k99lemme grab that!@02:57
imbrandonok lets do it like this then, i'll package up the ones for konq that we did so far and see how ppl react02:57
imbrandonbecouse it will be the most seen02:57
imbrandonthen we grab the svg's and goto town redoing it "correctly"02:58
n8k99right - did you change the colors on that one?02:58
imbrandonsound good n8k99 / kwwii ?02:58
seaLneanyone know about kdelibs4-dev versions for programs?  Bug #5760202:59
UbugtuMalone bug 57602 in dapper-backports "k3b 0.12.17-1ubuntu1" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5760202:59
imbrandonn8k99: yea see  http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss6.png02:59
imbrandoni changed quite a bit of the colors02:59
imbrandonquite a few times actualy ;)02:59
n8k99sorry daughter is toilet training - not very good @ it either03:00
imbrandonheh np03:00
n8k99yo! that looks hot!03:00
imbrandonok yea lets do that , sounds like the best approach i think03:00
imbrandonheh thanks03:00
n8k99i like the soft focus at the bottom03:01
apacheloggerwooooho03:01
apacheloggerqt finished03:01
n8k99imbrandon: if you like I made a light purple hue for the world map as well03:01
imbrandonyea i seen that , honestly i tried it , kinda looked outa place03:02
n8k99ok - just checkin03:02
imbrandoni think it blends well now real soft03:02
n8k99actually does tie in with the K logo very well03:02
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kwwiicool idea03:04
n8k99bbs03:05
imbrandonok prepareing a diff now then we ( me / nate ) can grab the svg's and redo it over the next day or so03:05
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imbrandonbut this will give us the idea of what ppl will say03:05
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kwwiiimbrandon: sounds good03:08
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n8k99kwii: where are the svgs on the kde ftp?03:31
Riddelln8k99: all we have is on kde.org/stuff/clipart.php03:32
Riddellhttp://kde.org/stuff/clipart/kde-application-info-screens.tar.bz203:32
n8k99oh thanks03:33
n8k99are we changing the kubuntu logo to purple as well03:35
imbrandonno03:36
n8k99ok cool03:36
n8k99do you have a numerical value for the color beneath the wave?03:40
Riddellnope03:40
n8k99ok - i'll just give this a whirl03:41
imbrandonn8 yea just a sec03:41
imbrandon9480c103:41
n8k99thanx03:43
imbrandonRiddell: where is /usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/kde_infopage.css in kde base ( and the other files in that dir )03:43
n8k99ooh this is nice03:43
imbrandoni cant find them anywhere03:43
imbrandonand thats what is patched03:43
Riddellin kioabout?03:44
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Riddellkdelibs-data: /usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/kde_infopage.css03:44
Riddellthat'll be kdelibs then03:44
imbrandonahh so some in one some in the other03:44
imbrandondoh03:44
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imbrandongah , Riddell how do i fix this http://pastebin.ca/14897003:49
imbrandonbrb03:49
Riddellimbrandon: it needs to be uuencoded03:51
Riddellimbrandon: look at kwin-style-crystal03:51
imbrandonummm ok 03:51
imbrandoni just editiede the pngs in place 03:52
imbrandonso i still need to encode them ?03:52
Riddellyes03:53
imbrandonok what am i looking for ?03:53
Riddellthe uu patch and the decode rule03:53
imbrandoni got kwin-crystal03:53
imbrandonk03:53
imbrandonhrm well since the images were already there03:54
imbrandonshouldnt it have done it03:54
Riddellno, you changed them03:54
imbrandonahh ok /me looks puzzled a bit but still does it03:54
imbrandonwow ok its a patch , now i'm even more puzzled03:55
imbrandonhow can i make the uu file03:55
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imbrandonuuencode the old and uuencode the new and make a diff ?03:56
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Tonio_imbrandon: do you have the svg format ?03:58
imbrandonTonio_: of ?03:58
Tonio_of your png :)03:58
imbrandonTonio_: they started as png's03:58
imbrandonno svg's this time03:58
Tonio_imbrandon: hum, forget this then :)03:58
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Tonio_imbrandon: the point is it is also possible to generate the pngs during the build from an svg03:59
imbrandonahh03:59
Tonio_that's another solution for adding icons03:59
Tonio_imbrandon: in case that might help, look at wlassistant source package, I did that way04:00
imbrandonhum i dont have a uuencode command04:00
Riddellimbrandon: uuencode filename filename > filename.uu04:00
imbrandonTonio_: well this time i just edited the existing png's04:00
Tonio_imbrandon: then uuencoding is the only solution04:01
imbrandonRiddell: what provides uuencode04:01
Riddellsharutils04:01
imbrandonk04:01
SimeTonio_: were you able to get k-s-s packaged?04:01
Tonio_Sime: nope, I have an issue with the makefile04:02
Tonio_Sime: I'm on another package (qt-x11), but I'll show you the error when done04:02
Tonio_Sime: to make simple, configure files generation works etc, but it fails saying there is no rule to make AUTO04:03
Tonio_something like this04:04
Tonio_Sime: I think you touched that part didn't you ?04:04
Simeunsermake?04:04
Riddellthe package uses unsermake yes04:04
Riddellyou have to make the .orig with unsermake too04:05
Tonio_Riddell: well I simply got the svn and replace the systemsettings folder in the actual source package04:06
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't search more than this since I had other things on my todo :)04:06
Riddellwell you need to do the buildprep04:06
Tonio_okay04:06
Tonio_I'll do it04:07
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Tonio_I must say I'm not a fan of unsermake ;)04:07
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Tonio_Sime: hehe04:08
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n8k99http://eckenrodehouse.net/kubuntu/images/top.png  just for fun04:09
imbrandongrrr i hate this04:12
imbrandonthat cant make it simple04:12
imbrandons/that/they04:12
imbrandonRiddell: ok this has me whiped i cant make the diff look the same as kwin , do i uuencode the all the old ones and then all the news one and then diff or seperately or wth this is crazy04:14
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bddebianHello04:19
imbrandonheay bddebian04:19
bddebianHi imbrandon04:20
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Tonio_Riddell: good news ! 04:29
Tonio_it works now04:29
Tonio_the problem was in libqt-i18n04:29
SimeRiddell: will that computer icon on the kicker be staying in edgy?04:29
Tonio_Riddell: the other problem is that libqt3-mt crashes kde now....04:30
RiddellSime: yes04:31
Riddellunless we switch to the new SuSE menu thing, but I think that unlikely04:31
RiddellTonio_: that's not good04:32
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Tonio_Riddell: nope, and I don't understand why04:32
Tonio_Riddell: wanna see the error message in kdeinit ?04:32
RiddellTonio_: ok, but I don't know if I can do much help04:34
Tonio_Riddell: the point is our current qt isn't compiled with -inputmethod-ext04:34
Tonio_can that explain the deadkey problem ?04:34
Tonio_the other possibility is the arabic fonts patch, debian does it a slightly different way afaics04:35
Tonio_I will investigate and probably just fix our current version without providing the complete merge from debian...04:35
Tonio_then if it works I will focus on the merge04:35
Tonio_okay just crashing kde and I'm back ;)04:36
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Tonio_Riddell: here is the issue:  kdeinit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _Zthn148_N10QPopMenu10updateItemEI04:42
Riddellevil04:42
RiddellTonio_: on edgy?04:42
Tonio_Riddell: yup04:42
Riddellqt3 hasn't changed recently04:42
Tonio_exactly the same qt version04:42
Tonio_Riddell: here is the point, that's why I don't understand...04:42
Tonio_only the debian packaging has changed...04:43
Tonio_I looked at the deb files and nothing misses in them04:43
Tonio_Riddell: I will first try to fix our package, and this after, since merging with debian is probably not the priority...04:44
Riddelloh, it's your new qt from debian04:44
Riddellso, erk, something binary incompatible has changed04:44
Tonio_Riddell: kde could need rebuild with the resulting dev packages maybe ?04:44
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seaLnehttp://behindubuntu.org/interviews/ReinhardTartler/05:05
RiddellseaLne: no photo?05:10
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seaLnenope05:12
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jdongRiddell: your powermanager bzr repo, guidance_power_manager_ui.py is not versioned05:19
jdongjust a heads up05:19
jdongRiddell: same with tooltip.py05:20
Riddelljdong: it's not ment to be05:21
Riddellneither is that05:21
Riddellmake them with kdepyuic05:21
jdongoh05:21
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Riddelljdong: but the latest version is in kde svn now05:22
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jdongk05:22
Riddellunder guidance05:22
imbrandonjdong: hey 05:23
imbrandonwhats the current policy on backporting trivial libs ?05:23
jdongimbrandon: if they don't break anything in dapper, it's fine05:23
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imbrandonok can you look into a backport for us real fast 05:24
imbrandonyup exactly05:24
jdong:)05:24
jdongfire away05:24
imbrandonwant me to tell you what 2 libs it needs ?05:24
jdongwhich ones?05:24
imbrandonlibtunepimp3 and 05:24
imbrandonlibvisual-0.405:24
imbrandonboth of witch comple fine 05:25
imbrandonin dapper 05:25
imbrandon( i have it backported on my website right now )05:25
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jdonglooks good05:25
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jdonglibvisual 0.2 is already in dapper.... will 0.4 break anything?05:25
imbrandonbut one small change is needed to the amarok deps , but i'm sure i can get Riddell to pop that in real fast05:25
imbrandonjdong: nope 05:25
jdongk05:25
jdonggood05:25
imbrandonit will replace it just fine05:25
imbrandondrop in05:26
jdongwell, then we just need that amarok source change05:26
imbrandonyea Riddell ping05:26
Riddellhm?05:26
imbrandoncan you explisitly put a dep for libvisual-0.4-0 in the dep of amarok05:26
Riddellwhat is it currently?05:26
imbrandonit uses shlibs now but05:27
imbrandonit wants to use 0.2 unless you tell it not to in the control05:27
imbrandonif you add libvisual-0.4-0 in the runtime deps it all go's smooth05:27
imbrandonthats what i did for my website05:28
imbrandonthe only change from whats in edgy atm05:28
Riddellit already depends on libvisual-0.4-dev05:28
imbrandonjdong: btw the new libtunepimp will fix a .so error currently on dapper anyhow05:28
imbrandonRiddell: thats the build deps05:29
Riddelluh huh05:29
imbrandoni'm talking the runtime deps05:29
imbrandonneeds libvisual-0.4-005:29
Riddellit doesn't seem to depend on libvisual at all05:29
Riddellrun time05:29
imbrandonexactly05:29
imbrandonthats why you have to put it05:29
imbrandonother wise visualations dont work05:30
Riddellbut why doesn't shlibs pick it up05:30
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imbrandonno idea, i poked them in the amarok dev channell today about it05:30
imbrandonbut no answer yet05:30
Riddellwell it's not their fault :)05:30
Tonio_Riddell: what causes the issue for qt is the addition of -inputmethod-ext05:30
Riddellor it might be05:30
RiddellTonio_: debian added that?05:30
RiddellTonio_: or did we?05:31
Tonio_Riddell: nope, but your requirements are to add it ;)05:31
Tonio_in KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-CHANGES05:31
Tonio_Riddell: so I can now do the merge and that should work05:31
imbrandonbut either way if you add it implistly ( you dont even have to version it ) or libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0 ) would work too ;)05:31
Tonio_let's try, and if it is okay, one of the nastiest edgy essues will be fixed :)05:31
imbrandonit all runs smooth 05:31
imbrandonRiddell: you wanna diff or you donna slap it in real fast ;)05:33
imbrandonheheh05:33
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imbrandons/donna/gonna05:33
imbrandonjdong: if you stick arround a bit i'll poke you about soem other kde apps that would be nice 05:34
imbrandonme and hobbsee was gonna go on a kde rampage tonight ;)05:34
bddebianaaahhhh :)05:34
jdonglol05:34
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Riddellimbrandon: I'd rather understand the issue05:35
imbrandonRiddell: ok05:35
jdongimbrandon, hobbsee: you guys can always file bugs against dapper-backports if I'm not around05:35
imbrandonhrm ok 05:35
imbrandonjdong: yea wth can you document that somewhere becouse we were told to do it agains the package source05:36
imbrandonand then you go and reject them all 05:36
imbrandoni was more than a little ticked the first day 05:36
imbrandon;)05:36
jdonglol, sorry :)05:36
imbrandonheh np but please update the backport wiki ;)05:37
jdongI believe it is documented on the wiki05:37
jdonghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports05:37
jdongthat information is correct05:37
Riddelljdong: well it looks like amarok just doesn't need libvisual, in which case there isn't a problem05:37
imbrandonk ;)05:38
imbrandonRiddell: yea it dosent NEED it , just no visuals without it 05:38
imbrandon( but it will need the lib to build anyhow )05:38
imbrandonso jdong libtunepimp3 , libvisual ( libvisual-plugins if you are feeling like it ) and amarok ;)05:40
imbrandonand all should go smooth05:40
jdongk05:40
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imbrandoni assumeing you'll have to do it in that order too since the buildd's will need the libs but i'm sure you know that ;)05:41
jdongyeah05:41
jdongAlright, I approved all 3 backports, now we just wait for ubuntu-archive :)05:42
imbrandoncool05:42
imbrandonthey have been fairly quick lately05:43
jdongyeah05:43
jdongRiddell: is it possible for you to relax build-deps for k3b so that it'd backport to dapper?05:43
jdongkdelibs4-dev05:43
Riddelljdong: yes05:44
Riddellwhat needs done?05:44
jdongRiddell: right now, k3b depends on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2)05:45
imbrandonbackports is off by default correct ?05:45
jdongimbrandon: correct. commented out05:45
imbrandonyea ok makin sure05:45
Riddellimbrandon: what does amarok use libvisual for?05:46
Riddellit doen't seem to be the animations at the bottom05:46
imbrandonvisualations05:46
imbrandonno full screen ones like the xmms ones05:46
Riddelloh right, well I've never used them so I don't care :)05:47
Riddellit's not a dependency so it's not a problem, but we should still backport libvisual05:47
imbrandonsee if you dont have libvisual installed05:47
imbrandongoto05:47
imbrandontools--> visualations05:47
Riddelland I get a friendly error message05:47
imbrandonit gives you a nice informitive box that tell you what pacakges you need05:48
imbrandonyea05:48
imbrandonthats what its for05:48
Riddellimbrandon: even with libvisual installed I get that error05:50
imbrandonthats becouse the edgy package is named libvisual-0.4-005:50
Riddellnetwork is going here05:50
RiddellI'm out of net until tomorrow night05:50
imbrandonouch05:50
imbrandonthat sucks05:50
imbrandonhehe05:50
Riddelljdong: poke Tonio_ to fix k3b for backports05:50
jdongTonio_: poke :)05:51
Riddellor raphink 05:51
seaLneRiddell: what is the reason for specifying version in k3b depends?05:51
imbrandonor crimsun will sponsor me too05:51
RiddellseaLne: of what?05:51
imbrandonkdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2)05:51
seaLneand how do you tell what it should be?05:52
seaLnek3b says 0.12 is kde 3.2 >05:52
RiddellseaLne: probably added for transition needs when it actually does need to pick up the latest version05:52
RiddellseaLne: to find out what it needs look at the k3b website or INSTALL file and hope it says05:52
imbrandonit does say 3.2 >05:53
Riddellso that's fine to change05:53
seaLneok i'll do that05:53
imbrandonjust un-version it05:53
imbrandon;)05:53
seaLnehmm kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.1.4-2)05:54
seaLneit seems unlikely that we are ging to drop below kde 3.2 :)05:54
jdonglol05:54
jdongI don't think kdelibs4-dev can drop below 3.2 :)05:55
imbrandonheh05:55
seaLnejdong: how much of a rush are you to get k3b backported?  as in the next few days i was planning on fixing a few more bugs05:55
jdongseaLne: no hurry05:55
seaLneok, i'll update the bug when its ready?05:56
seaLnei assume backports shouldn't really get updated every few days05:56
imbrandonheh durring a dev cycle its likely to ;)05:57
imbrandonleaste untill uvf for universe05:57
seaLnewhen is that i can never remember05:57
imbrandonsept 705:57
seaLneeek05:57
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seaLnemaybe i shouldn't go on holiday at the begining on sep then06:00
Tonio_jdong: ping ?06:00
Tonio_jdong: sorry I was out of the computer ;)06:01
imbrandonTonio_: i think seaLne got it taken care of ( k3b fix for backports )06:01
imbrandonjdong: could you give me the amarok bug number so i can subscribe to it please06:02
Tonio_imbrandon: okay, pretty easy to fix anyway :)06:02
imbrandonyea ;)06:02
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Tonio_I hope the current build of qt will resolve the issue concerning qt apps06:03
Tonio_then I have to fix kdebase for klipper, and then ks-s to package........06:03
imbrandonTonio_: when you go to fix kdebase i have a patch for some artwork06:03
imbrandonthat you can upload at the same time if you dont mind06:04
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Tonio_imbrandon: okay, but in fact I'm unsure if the fix will go in kdebase or k-d-s06:04
imbrandonwb apachelogger06:04
Tonio_it can be fixed in both, but I think the issue is certainly in the current kds klipperrc file06:04
imbrandonk well this is for both kdelibs and kdebase06:04
Tonio_something incorrect with klipper 3.5.406:04
imbrandonwonderfull06:05
apacheloggerimbrandon: thx06:05
imbrandonseaLne: cool new interview ;)06:13
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Tonio_Riddell: the deadkeys bug is resolved06:17
Tonio_Riddell: it was due to the arabic patch. the debian way to do looks better :)06:17
Tonio_Riddell: can I upload the merged package or would you like to review first ?06:17
DaSkreechMorning akk06:17
DaSkreechs/kk/ll06:17
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imbrandonTonio_: he is gone untill tomarrow night06:22
Tonio_imbrandon: argh........06:25
imbrandonas long as its sane i would say go ahead06:25
Tonio_okay, I upload....06:25
Tonio_I'm on the klipper bug now ;)06:26
LureTonio_: yes!06:26
DaSkreechimbrandon: Podcasts are down?06:27
LureTonio_: btw, we should request backport of knetworkmanager - kwallet now really works reliably06:27
imbrandonDaSkreech: the buntudot ones ?06:27
DaSkreechSi06:27
LureTonio_: I just need to setup multi-pbuilder environment on edgy as I do not want to boot into dapper anymore ;-) 06:28
imbrandonDaSkreech: yea for now becouse we merged with theFridge , i will continue them from imbrandon.com starting this weekend06:28
imbrandonand post the old ones06:28
DaSkreechSo there is a new feed?06:28
imbrandonnot atm06:28
imbrandoni will make it tonight sometime06:29
imbrandonand ping/email ya06:29
Tonio_Lure: hehe06:29
DaSkreechThanks06:36
Tonio_hum... I must say the klipper error is very strange... it is the default klipperrc file that causes a crash...06:44
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imbrandoncrash ?06:46
Tonio_imbrandon: yup, segfault06:46
imbrandonedgy ?06:46
Tonio_yes06:46
Tonio_the point is I don't know how are this file created......06:47
imbrandonhrm not here i never get the same error you do .....06:47
Tonio_~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc06:47
RiddellTonio_: I can't review, if it's in debian I guess that's fine to upload06:47
Tonio_Riddell: already done :)06:47
imbrandonRiddell got internet back !! ;)06:47
Tonio_Riddell: do you know how are the files added in .kde when first loging created ?06:48
Tonio_Riddell: the default klipperrc causes the crash, but I can't find it anywhere else06:48
Tonio_even it's content isn't in kdebase.........06:48
Tonio_I don't understand how it's generated06:48
LureTonio_: some config files are created from code 06:51
Tonio_Lure: here is the problem :)06:51
LureTonio_: I have seen it for Xsession, not sure for other kde stuff06:51
RiddellTonio_: something in kdelibs will make them06:53
LureTonio_: example: kdebase-3.5.2/kdm/kfrontend/genkdmconf.c06:54
Tonio_OMG !!!06:54
Tonio_here is the point06:54
Tonio_it fails -> remove the file -> it works -> add the file again -> it works..........06:54
Tonio_ununderstandable !06:54
Tonio_I'm gonna diff to figure the changes on .kde06:55
Lureinteresting, but crashes are sometimes unreproducible (at least not 100%)06:55
Tonio_Lure: in this case it is easy to reproduce, simply create a new profile and login :)06:56
Tonio_Lure: diff -Nur .kde.bak .kde 07:00
Tonio_no output07:00
Tonio_doesn't work with .kde.bak, but works with .kde07:00
Tonio_Lure: isn't that an interesting trick ;)07:00
Lurethis is getting interesting07:00
LureTonio_: it maybe that they code creating default file crashes? but only the first time...07:02
Tonio_Lure: if it was this, the file shouldn't be created07:03
Tonio_Lure: and more than this, is still crashing if you relaunch klipper07:03
Tonio_so I assume the cause is elsewhere07:03
LureTonio_: it may be that file is created and some cleanup code crashes, next time the file is there and problematic code does not get executed07:03
LureI will download the source of klipper and look in...07:03
Tonio_Lure: more interesting07:06
Tonio_start the session, it fails07:06
Tonio_launch it manually, it works07:06
Tonio_logout, login it fails.........07:06
LureTonio_: this is what one guy mentioned in bug - it works from console07:07
Tonio_there is something special in the command used while autolaunching it07:07
seaLneTonio_: could you look at http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b and upload?07:07
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LureTonio_: it may be environment that is different in Konsole than in Run07:07
Tonio_Lure: ah ;) I didn't took the time to read the bug since I already saw it07:07
Tonio_seaLne: sure07:07
Tonio_seaLne: upload to edgy07:07
seaLneTonio_: yeah07:07
seaLneTonio_: off to cinema now, so ping if there is anything wrong, thanks07:08
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Tonio_seaLne: sure07:08
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LureTonio_: knm builds in dapper, so I will request backport07:09
Tonio_Lure: okayt07:09
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fdovinghmm.. newest network-manager doesn't work with my bcm43xx.07:46
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Lurehi allee07:57
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alleeheya Lure 07:57
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tuxihi08:27
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tuxii'am clean up my apt server ;-)08:27
tuxidirty thing08:27
Tonio_Lure: it looks like the klipper bug is very complex in fact08:28
Tonio_Lure: klipper works in konsole because nothing is set as an argument08:28
Tonio_I assume kde is giving arguments while launching via a desktop file08:28
LureTonio_: yep - it seems it crashes as it cycles (recursion) in KConfig...08:28
Tonio_Lure: can you try this : klipper --toto08:28
Tonio_segfault08:28
Tonio_it should say invalid argument08:28
Tonio_I assume this is the same bug08:29
Tonio_that makes klipper crash from konsole08:29
LureTonio_: --toto invalid option08:29
Tonio_Lure: but what I don't understand is that it works with an empty klipperrc08:29
Tonio_this would mean the problel is to parse the config file08:30
Tonio_but the thing is that the config is correctly parsed while launching klipper from konsole08:30
LureTonio_: maybe we should submit upstream08:30
Tonio_Lure: invalid option on edgy ?08:30
LureTonio_: yes08:31
Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~$ klipper --toto08:31
Tonio_Erreur de segmentation08:31
Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~$08:31
Tonio_means segfault08:31
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Tonio_Lure: do you have a klipperrc file in your profile ?08:31
trappistTonio_: I don't, and it gives a usage statement as expected here08:31
Tonio_Lure: in fact I had a workarround for the bug but it looks incomplete08:31
Tonio_trappist: I can't understand this....08:32
Lureyes, ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc08:32
Tonio_Lure: remove it and retry08:32
Tonio_;)08:32
Luretrappist: but it takes time, yes?08:32
trappistLure: yes08:33
Tonio_Lure: okay if I remove the klipperrc file, it tells me that this is an unknown option08:33
Tonio_good08:33
trappistand now that I do have a klipperrc, it still doesn't segfault08:33
Tonio_trappist: simply try this : echo "#" > ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc08:34
Tonio_trappist: that will reproduce the segfault while doing klipper --toto08:34
Tonio_bug the thing is it'll crash whatever is the text inside08:35
Tonio_not only #08:35
Tonio_Lure: can you confirm this too ?08:35
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trappistTonio_: no, it still doesn't segfault08:35
Tonio_trappist: it does here08:35
LureTonio_: no, still no crash...08:35
Tonio_Lure: hum, okay let's forget this :)08:36
Tonio_can be a profile difference08:36
Tonio_Lure: the point is that it takes a lot of time to output the error08:36
Tonio_it should be almost automatic08:36
trappisttakes a lot of time here to output the usage statement, too08:37
Tonio_Lure: I think we should report that upstream, but as it is a code issue, you may give a better explanation that I can ;)08:37
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danimoheya!08:37
Luretrappist: I suspect it get in some kind of recursion which sometimes crashes and sometimes completes (by accident?)08:37
danimois it possible to install dapper in text mode?08:37
Lureat least stack trace looks like that08:37
Luredanimo: yes, alternate CD is for that08:38
Luredanimo: or DVD08:38
trappistI'm watching the strace output - there is a LOT of it for an invalid option08:38
danimoLure: but not with the original CD?08:38
trappiststill watching...08:38
Luredanimo: no, not with desktop/live CD08:38
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Lurethere are some nice errors like this reported: ==21130== Warning: invalid file descriptor 1019 in syscall open()08:39
LureTonio_: now it has crashed - under valgrind! will attach log to bug08:42
Tonio_Lure: cool08:42
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Tonio_Lure: I commented again on bug 56377 since what I though to be a fix is only a workaround08:46
UbugtuMalone bug 56377 in kdebase "klipper crashes on login " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5637708:46
LureTonio_: I have added valgrind data08:46
Tonio_Lure: great08:47
Tonio_Lure: we should ping klipper maintainer eventually08:48
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seaLneit would be nice if one of these days the fridge actually announced behindubuntu interviews before lwn10:36
seaLneor atleast the same day10:37
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