[12:19] <Viper550> I was trying that Keremik/QtCurve flush idea with the offical Kubuntu Colors, looks nice!
[12:42] <Viper550> Anyone still here?
[12:43] <exobuzz> yes
[12:44] <Viper550> Were you here this morning when I was talking about QtCurve?
[12:44] <exobuzz> damnit. my sleep pattern. fell asleep at 8:30pm and now woke up.. 11:45pm..
[12:44] <Viper550> EST
[12:44] <exobuzz> oh. you mean earlier.. yeh
[12:44] <exobuzz> wait.. what time is it now est ? :D
[12:45] <Viper550> I am whipping up an overlay for our current window decoration so it can look like Keramik (With the joined together effect), but not actually have to use it!
[12:45] <exobuzz> oh..
[12:45] <Viper550> I'm almost there, just has to be a bit brighter!
[12:45] <exobuzz> :)
[12:46] <Viper550> Hope this last stand helps...
[12:47] <Viper550> YEAH! Works perfectly!
[12:47] <exobuzz> i just read what you said about the new artwork. it is interesting. really something different. i rather like it.
[12:47] <exobuzz> that earlier purple was too heavy
[12:49] <Viper550> You mean you like bringing back Keramik? Awesome! Nice to see that there are still Keramik fans out there!
[12:49] <exobuzz> i mean tthe new colour scheme for kdm and the new kde background
[12:50] <exobuzz> i didnt see the bit about keramik. its on the wiki ?
[12:50] <Viper550> Yes.
[12:50] <exobuzz> ill check
[12:50] <Viper550> Look under Viper550
[12:51] <exobuzz> on the kubuntu wiki or ubuntu ?
[12:52] <Viper550> Ubuntu
[12:52] <Viper550> Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[12:53] <exobuzz> i like the 4th background in this pic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bg_variations2.jpg
[12:53] <exobuzz> which is the current one
[12:54] <Viper550> Yeah, I saw, looks awesome! But still, the Flower goes a bit nicer
[12:55] <exobuzz> i dont know if i like the flower. i like erm non specific background which dont have a focal point
[12:55] <exobuzz> like simple gradients/etc
[12:57] <Viper550> But still, I'm a bit concerned about the Button design
[12:57] <exobuzz> give me an example?
[12:57] <exobuzz> btw im just a user. not a developer. :)
[12:57] <exobuzz> well. i develop on kubuntu. but not for kubuntu :-)
[12:57] <Viper550> Notice on the default window border, the minimize glyph isn't exactly at the bottom.
[12:58] <Viper550> Looks a bit, odd like that.
[12:58] <exobuzz> sorry, which picture ?
[12:59] <Viper550> On the actual Crystal window botder on Dapper
[12:59] <exobuzz> oh..
[01:00] <exobuzz> i never liked that i use the platik one :-)
[01:00] <exobuzz> ill switch and have a look
[01:00] <Viper550> Yeah, is it the buttons that made you dislike it?
[01:00] <exobuzz> erm.. well i dont like them.. i mean. thats the main thing about it
[01:01] <Viper550> You can change them, and add a transparency effect to the theme!
[01:01] <exobuzz> i much prefer the plastik ones.. square with simple gradient.
[01:02] <exobuzz> yeh i saws that the crystal theme is very configurable. but as i like the plastik ones, i didnt bother
[01:02] <exobuzz> :)
[01:04] <Viper550> Oh...
[01:32] <danimo> heya!
[02:33] <omeow> Evening.
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya
[03:48] <imbrandon> heya danimo and bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[03:50] <imbrandon> ugh this john dong is just arbitrarly picking things to backport, it looks like he is trying to backprt all of edgy ;)
[03:50] <bddebian> :-)
[03:50] <imbrandon> like gtk-qt-engines, heh that wont fly without some changes
[03:50] <imbrandon> and quite a few others
[03:50] <imbrandon> heheh
[03:51] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:51] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:51] <freeflying> Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[03:52] <imbrandon> freeflying: btw ppc has been uploaded all day i just forgot to tell you ;)
[03:52] <imbrandon> i did it before i went to sleep
[03:52] <freeflying> imbrandon: amarok is in archive now
[03:52] <imbrandon> i mean for dapper ;)
[03:52] <freeflying> imbrandon: :)
[03:53] <imbrandon> i know i pulled the edgy builds from my server
[03:53] <imbrandon> no need for them
[03:53] <imbrandon> when its in the archive and its exactly the same
[03:53] <imbrandon> if i add libmtp later i might 
[03:53] <imbrandon> put them back up for edgy but no need right now
[03:54] <freeflying> I can't use it now
[03:54] <imbrandon> why ?
[03:56] <freeflying> imbrandon: Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying: means "something may have happened, i dont know what"
[03:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying: tried removing the amarok config files?
[03:57] <imbrandon> you problably have to get rid of your db and recreate it
[03:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 
[03:57] <freeflying> select(17, [3 4 5 15 16] , [] , [] , {0, 3310}) = 0 (Timeout)
[03:57] <freeflying> waitpid(8153, 0x7fcadfd0, WNOHANG)      = 0
[03:57] <freeflying> ioctl(5, FIONREAD, [0] )                 = 0
[03:57] <freeflying> ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0] )                 = 0
[03:57] <imbrandon> it might not have updated correct
[03:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you want to test the dapper debs of kopete?  they build and install fine
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hallo
[04:00] <imbrandon> sure gimme a link to the source , i'll stick them in for peple to test
[04:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the source?
[04:01] <imbrandon> just the edgy source ?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: both source and binaries are in /home/sarah/kopete/
[04:01] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:01] <Hobbsee> just test the debs to see that they dont blow up
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:01] <Hobbsee> they build and install fine
[04:01] <Hobbsee> s\sarah\hobbsee\
[04:01] <imbrandon> you request a backport ?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> not yet
[04:02] <Hobbsee> i wanted to know if it was backportable before that :P
[04:02] <imbrandon> leaste you check , a certain person the the backport team dosent even check before he tries
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:05] <Hobbsee> right.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/57646
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57646 in kopete "Please backport kopete 4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 to dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm how do I get things onto GHNS?
[04:06] <imbrandon> ghns?
[04:07] <DaSkreech> KGHNS?
[04:07] <imbrandon> ...
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Get Hot New Stuff
[04:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: kopete seems to work fine
[04:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice
[04:08] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: wth is that ?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> i thought it would...
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Haha http://kstuff.org IIRC
[04:09] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you problably bug them not us ;)
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Well as I recall if you can get from there you should also be able to upload but everywhere seems to implement it differently
[04:10] <DaSkreech> will we have Xara in edgy? :-)
[04:10] <imbrandon> what ? your not making sense /me gos back to work
[04:11] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: see packages.u.c and have a look
[04:11] <imbrandon> ask em in #kubuntu they know as much as we do if something will be in or not DaSkreech :) </punk_mode_off>
[04:12] <imbrandon> heh i'm bad sometimes, ignore me DaSkreech
[04:12] <DaSkreech> that's /ignore right?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Right click Desktop _> configure Desktop -> Get new wallpapers (Over on the right)
[04:16] <DaSkreech> That's GHNS
[04:17] <imbrandon> thast all in good , my question was more why were you asking us ?
[04:17] <imbrandon> heh
[04:19] <DaSkreech> cause I didn't know if there was a standard way of managing it. I'm not sure whether some apps are calling old versions of GHNS or if some are just stingy buggers
[04:19] <DaSkreech> however I think #kde might be more apropros
[04:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:23] <DaSkreech> I think it's like the coolest way to get community from non devs who have skill but no time
[04:36] <bddebian> DaSkreech: What about those of us that have some time but no skill? ;-)
[04:39] <imbrandon> lol @ DaSkreech
[04:40] <imbrandon> bddebian: shush you are top on lp ;) cant get out of it
[04:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Fine fine. 
[04:57] <bddebian> DaSkreech: :-)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> So XGL can't be shipped working?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> OK I'm rambling I need to go to sleep
[05:01] <nixternal> [21:36:41]  <bddebian> DaSkreech: What about those of us that have some time but no skill? ;-)
[05:01] <nixternal> [21:37:22]  * DaSkreech points toward documentation 
[05:01] <nixternal> watch it bud, thin ice i tell ya ;)
[05:03] <bddebian> heh
[05:04] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:04] <DaSkreech> As I said I can't be held accountable for my statements here unless theyare great and resound through history in that case I was awake and sober!
[05:06] <nixternal> haha
[09:55] <kwwii_> Riddell: htpp://bootsplash.org/puredisplay_pics.tar.gz
[09:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: what are they?
[09:55] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: bg pics for katapult
[09:55] <imbrandon> heya Riddell, what ya think about backporting libvisial-0.4 and libtunepimp3 ( so amarok can be back ported ) i have it in my repos with a few dozen people using it just fine it seems 
[09:55] <kwwii_> moin Hobbsee
[09:55] <kwwii_> :-)
[09:55] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[09:55] <kwwii_> hi imbrandon
[09:55] <Hobbsee> heya
[09:55] <imbrandon> moins kwwii_
[09:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'm not sure what the poliy is on backporting libraries but I'd be all for it
[09:56] <imbrandon> ints funny when the internet gets turned on you see everyone connect
[09:56] <imbrandon> lol
[09:56] <kwwii_> imbrandon: did you get to the start page css yet? :-)
[09:56] <imbrandon> kwwii_: kinda then i fell asleep heh give me a few minutes
[09:56] <imbrandon> and i'll have ya something
[09:57] <imbrandon> nathan put the images
[09:57] <imbrandon> on the wiki kubuntu incoming
[09:57] <kwwii_> killer, thanks
[09:57] <imbrandon> i seen last night
[09:57] <kwwii_> it must be like 3am for you now, or?
[09:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: whom should i ask as i dont trust "john dong"'s abaility to intreprit my bug correctly heh
[09:58] <imbrandon> kwwii_: yea 2:57 ;)
[09:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: mez
[09:58] <kwwii_> ;-)
[09:58] <imbrandon> but nows about the time i get up, i wake about 12 midnight normaly
[09:58] <imbrandon> localtime
[09:58] <imbrandon> Riddell: okies
[09:58] <Hobbsee> kopete backports got approved :)
[09:59] <imbrandon> yea it will hit the archive soon
[09:59] <imbrandon> hrm mez isnt here ;(
[10:00] <imbrandon> yea i told a few in #kubuntu about backports opening up and they were all like WOW ktorrent 2 is finaly here !!!
[10:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:00] <imbrandon> i guesss it was only announced on the ml and isnt enabled by default
[10:00] <imbrandon> so i might blog about it later so it hits planet ;)
[10:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: wait until we have the obvious kde backports in it
[10:01] <imbrandon> okie
[10:01] <imbrandon> yea a few are in like ktorrent and kopete and kbfx
[10:01] <imbrandon> but a few more need to get in
[10:01] <Riddell> that's good that they get fast
[10:01] <Riddell> get in fast
[10:02] <imbrandon> yea jdong is great about getting them in quick as long as they compile out of the box
[10:02] <imbrandon> with no changes
[10:02] <imbrandon> but he dont hand out on irc unfortunately
[10:02] <imbrandon> i need to fix kflickr to someon requested it and it fails on the manpage in dapper pbuilder for some reason but not edgy 
[10:02] <Hobbsee> much
[10:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: probably helps that we're MOTU's too, so they think we know what we're talking about
[10:03] <imbrandon> heh true but from the looks of it jdong has just been going down the list no matter whome reports it and if it compiles in a dapper pbuilder he pushes it
[10:03] <imbrandon> from what i can tell
[10:04] <imbrandon> i dont rightly know if thats a good thing or bad tbh ;)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> true
[10:04] <Hobbsee> oh its' good
[10:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: is mez in weisben ( sp? )
[10:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: no
[10:05] <imbrandon> k
[10:06] <imbrandon> i'll email him, i seen him on irc yesterday
[10:06] <imbrandon> so he's active again
[10:06] <Riddell> he's in Englandshire
[10:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: weisbaden.  spreke du Deutsch nichte?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> yay.  i cant spell
[10:06] <imbrandon> heh
[10:06] <Riddell> but he's sorted his internet and living arrangements out so he should be active
[10:06] <imbrandon> yea he has been arround the last 48 hrs that i've noticed
[10:07] <imbrandon> at leaste, thats just what i noticed
[10:07] <imbrandon> he approved me for kubuntu-team yesterday so i wouldent have to sub to a ton of bugs ;)
[10:09] <Hobbsee> ...
[10:09] <imbrandon> kwwii_: err better yet Riddell are those css doc in k-d-s or the actual packages
[10:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kubuntu team doesnt get bug reports emailed to them
[10:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's nothing kubuntu specific about them (yet)
[10:09] <imbrandon> ok so they /should/ get into k-d-s but not atm
[10:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: sure they do , ahve a looksee https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[10:11] <Riddell> it's probably easiest just to patch kdebase
[10:11] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok sounds great to me, i like easy
[10:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true, but you dont get email notification of all of them
[10:11] <Hobbsee> and most bugs arent assigned to kubuntu team
[10:11] <Hobbsee> ohhhh...is that why i've been getting random emails for some bugs?
[10:11] <imbrandon> lol
[10:13] <imbrandon> gah ok i'm being dumb , whats the easiest way to grep a dir of files and have it show you what file a string is in
[10:14] <imbrandon> i thought about cat *|grep blah
[10:14] <imbrandon> but that wont show the file
[10:17] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/new_buttons.tar.gz
[10:18] <sebas> Duuuuuuuuuuuude!
[10:20] <Riddell> he's gone to kill his lungs
[10:20] <Hobbsee> hah.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: spoken like a true non-smoker
[10:21] <sebas> Iieeuwk.
[10:21] <imbrandon> lot less walking that way
[10:21] <sebas> Is someone preparing 1.4.2 amarok packages, btw?
[10:21] <imbrandon> heh i should put a smoke in my mouth in the gotchi ;)
[10:21] <imbrandon> sebas: done
[10:21] <Riddell> sebas: it's on my todo list
[10:21] <imbrandon> dapper i386 and ppc on my website, edgy in the main repos
[10:22] <Riddell> imbrandon: still compiled against kde 3.5.4 presumably?
[10:22] <imbrandon> no
[10:22] <imbrandon> 3.5.2
[10:22] <imbrandon> dapper default
[10:22] <sebas> Kewl
[10:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: I thought I read that your i386 ones were against kde 3.5.4?
[10:23] <imbrandon> nah
[10:23] <imbrandon> when i did 1.4.1 they was
[10:23] <imbrandon> not this time
[10:23] <Riddell> cool
[10:23] <imbrandon> i did them in a default dapper pbuilder this time
[10:23] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/
[10:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you come across libtunepimp3-mp3 not being able to install?
[10:24] <imbrandon> yea i dunno wth that is but amarok dosent need it
[10:24] <imbrandon> something about the .so being in two of the packages
[10:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the stuff on amarok wiki about installing for kubuntu is not crackful now :
[10:24] <Hobbsee> )
[10:25] <Riddell> you won't need it for compiling right enough
[10:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: was it ? heh
[10:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah, yeah.  it was using czezzi repos, for one thing.
[10:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: so I could put your packages on kubuntu.org?
[10:25] <imbrandon> you only need -dev to compile and tunepimp3(not -mp3 ) to run it
[10:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^^
[10:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure
[10:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: you will still need to compile amd64 though
[10:25] <imbrandon> i dident do that
[10:26] <Riddell> yes
[10:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: would that get included as a shlib depends then?
[10:26] <imbrandon> everything you should need for dapper default is in that pool dir 
[10:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yes it does
[10:27] <Hobbsee> so wouldnt the broken lib get installed when you tried to install amarok?
[10:27] <imbrandon> i fixed it up that way in the control file ( thats why the one in the dapper pool says +dapperfix 
[10:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:28] <imbrandon> becouse on dapper you have to implisitly dep on libvisual-0.4-0 also
[10:28] <imbrandon> or it tried to use libvisual0.2 and fails
[10:29] <imbrandon> but like i said i smoothed all that out when i backported it , there are a few dozen people that have it installed
[10:29] <imbrandon> and no probs yet ;)
[10:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: plus i installed it on my lappy too to make sure LOL
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <imbrandon> later sebas
[10:30] <sebas> cya
[10:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice
[10:30] <Hobbsee> bye sebas 
[10:31] <imbrandon> yea and afaik that tunepimp3 problem is in edgy too whom ever maintains it just hasent fixed it and i dident look into it since amarok dident need it
[10:32] <Riddell> I'm fixing it now
[10:32] <imbrandon> k
[10:32] <imbrandon> once you upload lemme know , someon made me famous while i slept and i'll change it to kubuntu.org ;)
[10:32] <imbrandon> !amarok
[10:32] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[10:32] <imbrandon> hehehehe
[10:33] <Hobbsee> nice.
[10:33] <imbrandon> isnt there a way to see who added that ?
[10:33] <imbrandon> !-amarok
[10:33] <ubotu> amarok has no aliases - added by apokryphos on 2006-07-05 22:33:08
[10:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh.  it's unchanged?  yeah, i did
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh yea thats it
[10:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: added != changed
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: bot database tells you
[10:33] <imbrandon> so you made me famous ;)
[10:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:34] <imbrandon> ahh yea i fixed the "all" on my repo to work correctly too Hobbsee
[10:34] <imbrandon> and new konversation just uploaded
[10:35] <allee> Hobbsee: care to sync knemo?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> allee: when i get home again, yeah.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> allee: i'm off to set some things on fire
[10:36] <allee> heh, have fun
[10:36] <Hobbsee> oh i will :D
[10:45] <toma> did anyone say 'fire' ?
[10:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:45] <Hobbsee> toma: yep :D
[10:46] <toma> morning all
[10:46] <imbrandon> fire fire , heheheh fire fire ( in his bevis and butthead voice )
[10:46] <toma> hey!
[10:47] <toma> Hobbsee: that's not very friendly
[10:47] <Hobbsee> toma: sure?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> its' a good way to keep warm!
[10:48] <Hobbsee> children, children...
[10:50] <allee> rdhiman attacked > 2 dozend openusability groups since last night.  sounds heavy weighted
[11:17] <imbrandon> err wait there isnt a kubuntu tune .....
[11:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:19] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I cannot open your svg with inkscape
[11:19] <kwwii_> what did you make it with?
[11:19] <kwwii_> it kills my inkscape evertime I try
[11:21] <imbrandon> hrm , inkscape in edgy
[11:21] <imbrandon> its modified from a gpl set i found, lemme find it
[11:22] <kwwii_> it is probably my inkscape
[11:22] <kwwii_> I build the latest stuff
[11:22] <imbrandon> yea becouse i opened it on osx inkscape and edgy 
[11:22] <imbrandon> heh
[11:22] <Riddell> "Accepted strigi"  awooga awooga
[11:23] <imbrandon> and ilistror for that matter
[11:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: can you try to open that svg just to test please
[11:23] <imbrandon> i cc'd it to you
[11:23] <imbrandon> the other day
[11:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: works for me
[11:24] <imbrandon> heh okies , yea kwwii_ grab a new inkscape lol, just playin, what can i do to help ?
[11:24] <imbrandon> another format export or something ?
[11:25] <imbrandon> its a modified form of the fedora "echo" icons for kde if you wanna try the orig
[11:25] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ^^
[11:26] <imbrandon> i just added the glare stripe and made it purple 
[11:26] <imbrandon> oh and changed the grey to charcoal
[11:26] <kwwii_> imbrandon: don't worry about it, I will figure something out
[11:26] <imbrandon> like the login 
[11:27] <kwwii_> if nothing else, I will do it in AI :-)
[11:27] <imbrandon> hehe okie
[11:27] <imbrandon> ohh one more thing
[11:27] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:27] <imbrandon> PLEASE tell me nixternals box is messed up and got the wrong bg set by default
[11:27] <imbrandon> and its the 5c being used not the 5
[11:27] <imbrandon> hehehe
[11:28] <imbrandon> pretty please , with sugar
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh
[11:29] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bg_variations2.jpg   <-- thats what i'm speaking of, mine is 5c but his seemed to default to the yellowish plain 5
[11:30] <imbrandon> s/tio/tion
[11:31] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:31] <imbrandon> whoop guess not ;)
[11:31] <kwwii_> it is the 5c
[11:31] <imbrandon> serouisly though please tell me , ohhh good
[11:32] <kwwii_> erm, rather, it is the 5
[11:32] <kwwii_> sorry
[11:32] <kwwii_> but i will change it every couple of weeks or so
[11:32] <kwwii_> we will probably end up using 5a
[11:32] <imbrandon> yea 5c == good 5 == bad, yeallow and purple dont look nice in that context
[11:33] <imbrandon> all of them are good cept plain 5 heheh
[11:33] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:33] <imbrandon> maybe blue and purple but yellow and purple ? ;) heheh
[11:33] <kwwii_> Riddell said the yellow looks like puke
[11:33] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:33] <imbrandon> yea i thought that too 
[11:33] <imbrandon> but dident wanna say it
[11:33] <kwwii_> it is too much of an evening feeling, I thikn
[11:33] <kwwii_> think
[11:34] <kwwii_> but using the pure purple makes things way too purple
[11:34] <imbrandon> 5b and c might be cool "mixed" though
[11:34] <kwwii_> mark actually siad he loves it
[11:34] <kwwii_> said
[11:34] <imbrandon> mark liked the brown too though LOL
[11:34] <imbrandon> ( as in ubuntu proper )
[11:34] <imbrandon> yea it is an evening color
[11:35] <imbrandon> or even if the yellow and the purple dident mix so much , like your flower photo it looks great
[11:35] <imbrandon> like if the transition was more defined or something
[11:35] <imbrandon> i dunno hell your the artist ;)
[11:35] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:38] <cmvo> kwwii_: Hi! I'd like 5b, but I don't count much, seems I don't have a mainstream taste :-)
[11:38] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:38] <imbrandon> cmvo: yea 5b is nice but moreso for dapper
[11:38] <kwwii_> we will test them all and see what everyone thinks
[11:38] <kwwii_> ;-)
[11:39] <imbrandon> what about throwing your flower in there too
[11:39] <imbrandon> i would like to see that as a default actualy
[11:39] <cmvo> Maybe one conservative theme and one edgy ...
[12:09] <imbrandon> ugh this isnt all css infact its alot of NOT css 
[12:09] <imbrandon> heh but i'm not gonna let it get the best of me
[12:22] <Sime> Does anyone know if Tonio was able to get kde-systemsettings repackaged?
[12:22] <imbrandon> Sime: no idea
[12:22] <Riddell> kwwii__: http://kubuntu.co.uk/~jriddell/tmp/o2.tar.gz
[12:23] <Riddell> kwwii__: you'll need to edit the paths in o2display.cpp
[12:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: this is lookin "beuitumus" ( fake word lol ) i'll show ya in a sec , almost done
[12:23] <Riddell> whit?
[12:24] <imbrandon> the css/images for konq and friends
[12:26] <imbrandon> Riddell / kwwii__ http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss1.png   <-- top part done, thats what your speaking of before i go too far right ?
[12:26] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/o2.tar.gz
[12:27] <kwwii__> imbrandon: I think that the top purple is too dark
[12:27] <imbrandon> ok easy to change
[12:27] <imbrandon> got an rgb you like ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> easy to do it that way ;)
[12:27] <kwwii__> hrm, I guess one like the one I sent you yesterday :-)
[12:28] <imbrandon> note this is the same color thats in the middle as the dark blue
[12:28] <kwwii__> yeah
[12:28] <kwwii__> #7061A5 or lighter
[12:28] <imbrandon> hrm that is using what you sent yesterday
[12:28] <imbrandon> ok
[12:28] <kwwii__> or as light as #B7ABD7
[12:28] <kwwii__> but that it a bit too light
[12:29] <imbrandon> kk
[12:31] <imbrandon> kwwii__: 7C6CB2
[12:31] <imbrandon> looks good imho
[12:31] <imbrandon> one sec i'll grab another screenie
[12:35] <kwwii__> cool
[12:35] <imbrandon> kwwii__ http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss2.png   <-- thats 7c6cb2
[12:37] <imbrandon> look alright there ? and i'll do the rest
[12:42] <kwwii__> imbrandon: much better!
[12:42] <kwwii__> thanks man
[12:42] <imbrandon> kk i was hoping , already started the rest while waiting ;)
[12:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:42] <imbrandon> PS in wire rocks lol shhhh
[12:42] <imbrandon> s/wire/wine
[12:43] <kwwii__> :-)
[12:43] <kwwii__> doesn't work so well on ppc :p
[12:43] <imbrandon> yea thats why i keep osx on the ppc lappy
[12:43] <imbrandon> just for that 
[12:44] <imbrandon> even though i'm not an artist i like to play with it heheh and simplish stuff like this i can do ;)
[12:47] <Lure> kwwii__: new theme is great, I have only three minor points
[12:47] <Lure> kwwii__: splash wallpaper is now big enough for my wide screen (1920x1200)
[12:48] <Riddell> that sounds like a good thing
[12:48] <Lure> kwwii__: login dialog Menu button is not almost OK - if you would make it 15-20% wider, the whole text would fit
[12:49] <Lure> kwwii__: why is background image not centered (a bit moved to upper side) - because of kicker? I have taskbar on top and then it looks very empty on bottom
[12:50] <kwwii__> Lure: the pics I submitted so far are only 1600x1200
[12:50] <kwwii__> I still need to make bigger versions
[12:50] <kwwii__> and we are going to make the splash image scaled as well
[12:50] <Lure> kwwii__: ok, I just wanted to confirm it is on your list... ;-)
[12:50] <kwwii__> the menu button should be changed, you are right
[12:50] <kwwii__> Lure: definitely
[01:10] <Lure> what is the process to get knetworkmanager backported - some important fixes (+ right size icons) are in edgy
[01:10] <imbrandon> Lure: if it will compile with a dapper pbuilder with NO changes just request it via a bug against dapper-backports
[01:11] <imbrandon> ( product dapper-backports )
[01:34] <Tonio_> heya*
[01:34] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I abslotly LOVE the new artwork
[01:34] <Tonio_> absolutly
[01:34] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ping http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss3.png
[01:34] <imbrandon> hows the finished look
[01:35] <imbrandon> brb more mt dew for me !!
[01:35] <imbrandon> moins Tonio_
[01:36] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon
[01:37] <imbrandon> 'ello allee
[01:37] <allee> hi imbrandon 
[01:38] <imbrandon> hey allee your a DD right ? i just got a quick question 
[01:38] <allee> No, I'm no DD and no MOTU, but feel free to ask nevertheless
[01:38] <imbrandon> heh i was just gonna ask how long things normaly sat in their new que
[01:39] <imbrandon> my sponsor uploaded it but its been in the que 3 days
[01:39] <imbrandon> heh
[01:39] <allee> oh, currently just some days in debian NEW queue.
[01:39] <imbrandon> yea http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[01:39] <Tonio_> hum, did someone find the sources for that new kickoff start menu ?
[01:40] <allee> but currently is holiday season.  I would assume that it will pass/reject this weekend ;)
[01:40] <Tonio_> heya allee ;)
[01:40] <allee> ho ho Tonio_ !
[01:40] <imbrandon> Tonio_: no its not in public svn yet, he is supose to ping me when it go's public
[01:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[01:40] <imbrandon> i'ma stick it in universe , and possibly main if we can get it in time ;)
[01:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:40] <allee> Tonio_: afair beineri mentioned that after next opensuse beta
[01:40] <Tonio_> I just hope that will not be linked to yast, like knetworkmanager
[01:41] <Tonio_> because that results lots of patches that we have to rewrite with each release....
[01:41] <imbrandon> allee yea he was in here a few days ago and said it would hit the public svn a few days before sept 7th
[01:41] <Tonio_> allee okay ;)
[01:41] <Tonio_> allee did you notice that deadkey issue too ?
[01:41] <allee> imbrandon has a more presice memory than me :)
[01:41] <imbrandon> heh
[01:41] <Tonio_> I'm trying to play with libqt3-mt to resolve this....
[01:42] <Tonio_> dirty bug
[01:42] <allee> Tonio_: no, 'cause I don't use dead keys
[01:42] <Tonio_> allee okay ;)
[01:42] <allee> Tonio_: but I miss my kwallet icon.  No way to get to my forgotten but written down passwds (dapper)
[01:43] <Tonio_> I too....
[01:43] <Tonio_> I'm wondering if this is a kubuntu or kde issue
[01:44] <Tonio_> allee we should ask to 3.5.4/dapper users 
[01:45] <allee> allee joins #kubuntu
[01:46] <imbrandon> kwwii_: that look ok to send a patch to Riddell ?
[01:46] <imbrandon> kwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss3.png
[01:46] <Riddell> he's at lunch
[01:46] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:46] <imbrandon> what do you think Riddell
[01:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:47] <Riddell> it's very purple
[01:47] <imbrandon> yea 
[01:47] <imbrandon> but i think it looks better than the blue on purple
[01:47] <imbrandon> personaly heh 
[01:49] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I like it, but I think that we should make the lower bg color a lot lighter
[01:50] <imbrandon> like the main body 
[01:50] <imbrandon> part
[01:50] <imbrandon> as in lower
[01:50] <kwwii_> yepp
[01:50] <imbrandon> what about an almost white purple
[01:51] <imbrandon> almost white with a hint of purple even i mean
[01:51] <kwwii_> yepp
[01:51] <imbrandon> kk 
[01:52] <kwwii_> we could even reduce the saturation a bit
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you confirm the wallet not showing in the systray issue on edgy ?
[01:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: my wallet is indeed not behaving
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, that's a real problem :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> I didn't found a way to reactivate it...
[01:53] <Tonio_> I'm reporting on malone
[01:55] <imbrandon> kwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss4.png hows something like that , naturaly the bottom 3 png's need changed to match
[01:56] <imbrandon> ello apachelogger
[01:57] <apachelogger> hola :)
[01:57] <Tonio_> alleecan you confirm bug/57696 plz ?
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm fixing bugs 56377 this afternoon, I have the solution for this
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56377 in kdebase "klipper crashes on login " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56377
[02:00] <Riddell> nice
[02:12] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I hate to bitch, but it is a bit too light, I think
[02:13] <imbrandon> no no i dont mind at all,
[02:13] <insanekane> i think purple is really very wrong
[02:16] <imbrandon> kwwii_: how about http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss5.png the thing about that is though it will blend with the stripe at the bottom as its almost the same color if i change the bottom png's
[02:17] <imbrandon> OR we could just take the bottom swoosh out , since we're changing it anyhow heh
[02:22] <kwwii_> imbrandon: better
[02:22] <kwwii_> I think that we could check that in now and see what people say
[02:22] <imbrandon> so leave the bottom as is ?
[02:23] <imbrandon> hrm or i could put that thin black line to seperate it like the top has
[02:23] <imbrandon> i think that would work
[02:23] <kwwii_> yes, I think so
[02:23] <kwwii_> the bottom wave should be very subtle
[02:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I really prefer the top as this, with less white
[02:24] <imbrandon> so fill the dark purple at the bootom with the color from the middle 
[02:24] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the kdm theme, I'm impressed :) kickass, really !
[02:25] <imbrandon> Tonio_: huh ? i dident quite understand what you were saying
[02:25] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ok so leave it exactly like the ss or fill the dark at the bottom with the middle color
[02:26] <imbrandon> maing a very subtle swoosh
[02:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: on your latest screenshot, it looks like the top of the window decoration doesn't have as much white as the current I have here
[02:26] <imbrandon> ahh yea 
[02:26] <Tonio_> the gradient is better probably
[02:26] <kwwii_> imbrandon: fill the dark in the bottom with a lighter color
[02:26] <imbrandon> ok 
[02:26] <kwwii_> or perhaps a gradient
[02:26] <imbrandon> yea good idea i think a gradient wiill work 
[02:27] <imbrandon> hrm but its 3 sep png;s
[02:27] <imbrandon> heh
[02:27] <imbrandon> ahhh i know
[02:27] <imbrandon> ok nvm
[02:27] <kwwii_> ;-)
[02:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ping ?
[02:28] <kwwii_> Tonio_: pong
[02:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ah ! you can read me :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> it is the very first time I'm telling you I love something at the very first shot and you didn't even answer ;)
[02:29] <kwwii_> only when I want to :p
[02:29] <kwwii_> hehe
[02:29] <imbrandon> haha
[02:29] <kwwii_> now I read the log...
[02:29] <kwwii_> thanks a lot :-)
[02:29] <kwwii_> I was at lunch
[02:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe oki doki :)
[02:30] <kwwii_> it is nice to hear good things :-)
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: we will have an issue to merge qt from debian.......
[02:34] <Riddell> what's that?
[02:34] <Tonio_> it now depends firebird2-dev which is in universe
[02:34] <Riddell> it always has
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but it fails if I remove the depandancy
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: am I missing the trick ?
[02:35] <Riddell> there's stuff in rules that needs changed too I think
[02:35] <Riddell> look at KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-CHANGES
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay, I thought that wasn't touched at all ;)
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the tip
[02:42] <imbrandon> ok kwwii_ hows this for subtle , i think i got it this time ;) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss6.png
[02:43] <imbrandon> heya nathan
[02:43] <n8k99> heya brandon
[02:43] <imbrandon> i snaged you images an modified it a tad ;)
[02:43] <imbrandon> err image
[02:43] <n8k99> kuell!
[02:43] <kwwii_> this is kwwiis secretary, kwwii can not come to irc at the moment, please leave a message and he will get back to you
[02:43] <imbrandon> take a peek at the ss , that might be semi final ( at leaste for the moment )
[02:44] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[02:44] <n8k99> the one off the kubuntu/artwork or the ones on my wiki page?
[02:44] <imbrandon> beeeeep
[02:44] <imbrandon> the former n8k99 i dident see your wiki
[02:44] <n8k99> kwii_ secretary: that's very funny :D 
[02:44] <n8k99> i set up a launchpad wiki page under NathanEckenrode
[02:45] <imbrandon> kwwii_: heh that look ok as far as subtle though , with the gradient ( eventualy i think we need to desaturate them all though )
[02:45] <n8k99> just cuz I got upset with having to load six desktops everytime I looked at the Kubuntu page
[02:45] <imbrandon> lol
[02:45] <imbrandon> buy a domain like me ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> imnathan.com ;) lol
[02:46] <n8k99> i have one eckenrodehouse.net
[02:46] <n8k99> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NathanEckenrode
[02:46] <imbrandon> there ya go ;)
[02:47] <imbrandon> i have http://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon http://www.imbrandon.com and http://wiki.kubunut.org/imbrandon , but none have prety artwork ;)
[02:48] <imbrandon> nate can you take the kmail and the akrogator ones and use .....
[02:48] <n8k99> that's the first thing I do when I move into a new place, hang some drapes
[02:49] <imbrandon> can you use 7c6cb2 for the top purple on those
[02:49] <imbrandon> the rest the same
[02:49] <imbrandon> then it will match the other css and stuff i have sone
[02:50] <n8k99> erm, yeah - I was having trouble with those two getting them to match up
[02:50] <imbrandon> erm yea those all do look diffrent
[02:50] <imbrandon> did you just color shift them or something
[02:51] <imbrandon> apachelogger: the day before release ;) j/k
[02:51] <n8k99> no, well, yes, but i color shifted all of them
[02:51] <apachelogger> imbrandon: oh ubuntu drops usplash that fast? :P
[02:51] <n8k99> i just did not save the konqi as .xcf and could not remmeber how to reproduce it
[02:52] <n8k99> there were several layers and such that made it come out like that
[02:52] <apachelogger> <-- waiting for qt4 to finish compile
[02:52] <imbrandon> heh i just edited the png
[02:52] <n8k99>  :S 
[02:52] <imbrandon> (s)
[02:52] <n8k99> yeah, that's what i did for the other two and i didnt like them as much
[02:52] <apachelogger> btw, I think beside kopete I didn't get a package into edgy yet :P
[02:53] <apachelogger> no one revus my uploads
[02:53] <imbrandon> i never see your uploads
[02:53] <imbrandon> heh
[02:53] <imbrandon> well i saw ktorrent but you had changed too much unnessesary stuff i just had to redo it
[02:53] <apachelogger> imbrandon: I did upload ktorrent?
[02:54] <imbrandon> on kde-apps you did when 2 hit
[02:54] <imbrandon> i ended up not using it though
[02:54] <apachelogger> ?
[02:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:55] <n8k99> oo 7c6cb2 is much lighter; even lighter than the bottom, you have a number for the bottom?
[02:55] <imbrandon> bottom of what part
[02:55] <n8k99> beneath the curve
[02:55] <imbrandon> hrm one sec
[02:56] <imbrandon> lemme just give you mine and you can sample the colors
[02:56] <n8k99> ok
[02:56] <imbrandon> becouse you will need to make it match the middle too
[02:56] <imbrandon> and the line
[02:56] <n8k99> yeah - there is tons that will need to match
[02:56] <kwwii> I was afraid that simply changing the colors of everything would be hard
[02:56] <kwwii> sometimes it is almost easier to do it new from scratch
[02:56] <imbrandon> yea 
[02:56] <n8k99> although i think that the swoop looks better with the lighter bg
[02:57] <kwwii> I think that the svgs for that stuff is on kde-look.org
[02:57] <imbrandon> thats what i did on the VERY bottom
[02:57] <kwwii> cool
[02:57] <imbrandon> NOW ya tel me
[02:57] <n8k99> oh really! 
[02:57] <imbrandon> tell me
[02:57] <imbrandon> lol
[02:57] <n8k99> lemme grab that!@
[02:57] <imbrandon> ok lets do it like this then, i'll package up the ones for konq that we did so far and see how ppl react
[02:57] <imbrandon> becouse it will be the most seen
[02:58] <imbrandon> then we grab the svg's and goto town redoing it "correctly"
[02:58] <n8k99> right - did you change the colors on that one?
[02:58] <imbrandon> sound good n8k99 / kwwii ?
[02:59] <seaLne> anyone know about kdelibs4-dev versions for programs?  Bug #57602
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57602 in dapper-backports "k3b 0.12.17-1ubuntu1" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57602
[02:59] <imbrandon> n8k99: yea see  http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss6.png
[02:59] <imbrandon> i changed quite a bit of the colors
[02:59] <imbrandon> quite a few times actualy ;)
[03:00] <n8k99> sorry daughter is toilet training - not very good @ it either
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh np
[03:00] <n8k99> yo! that looks hot!
[03:00] <imbrandon> ok yea lets do that , sounds like the best approach i think
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh thanks
[03:01] <n8k99> i like the soft focus at the bottom
[03:01] <apachelogger> wooooho
[03:01] <apachelogger> qt finished
[03:01] <n8k99> imbrandon: if you like I made a light purple hue for the world map as well
[03:02] <imbrandon> yea i seen that , honestly i tried it , kinda looked outa place
[03:02] <n8k99> ok - just checkin
[03:02] <imbrandon> i think it blends well now real soft
[03:02] <n8k99> actually does tie in with the K logo very well
[03:04] <kwwii> cool idea
[03:05] <n8k99> bbs
[03:05] <imbrandon> ok prepareing a diff now then we ( me / nate ) can grab the svg's and redo it over the next day or so
[03:05] <imbrandon> but this will give us the idea of what ppl will say
[03:08] <kwwii> imbrandon: sounds good
[03:31] <n8k99> kwii: where are the svgs on the kde ftp?
[03:32] <Riddell> n8k99: all we have is on kde.org/stuff/clipart.php
[03:32] <Riddell> http://kde.org/stuff/clipart/kde-application-info-screens.tar.bz2
[03:33] <n8k99> oh thanks
[03:35] <n8k99> are we changing the kubuntu logo to purple as well
[03:36] <imbrandon> no
[03:36] <n8k99> ok cool
[03:40] <n8k99> do you have a numerical value for the color beneath the wave?
[03:40] <Riddell> nope
[03:41] <n8k99> ok - i'll just give this a whirl
[03:41] <imbrandon> n8 yea just a sec
[03:41] <imbrandon> 9480c1
[03:43] <n8k99> thanx
[03:43] <imbrandon> Riddell: where is /usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/kde_infopage.css in kde base ( and the other files in that dir )
[03:43] <n8k99> ooh this is nice
[03:43] <imbrandon> i cant find them anywhere
[03:43] <imbrandon> and thats what is patched
[03:44] <Riddell> in kioabout?
[03:44] <Riddell> kdelibs-data: /usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/kde_infopage.css
[03:44] <Riddell> that'll be kdelibs then
[03:44] <imbrandon> ahh so some in one some in the other
[03:44] <imbrandon> doh
[03:49] <imbrandon> gah , Riddell how do i fix this http://pastebin.ca/148970
[03:49] <imbrandon> brb
[03:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: it needs to be uuencoded
[03:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: look at kwin-style-crystal
[03:51] <imbrandon> ummm ok 
[03:52] <imbrandon> i just editiede the pngs in place 
[03:52] <imbrandon> so i still need to encode them ?
[03:53] <Riddell> yes
[03:53] <imbrandon> ok what am i looking for ?
[03:53] <Riddell> the uu patch and the decode rule
[03:53] <imbrandon> i got kwin-crystal
[03:53] <imbrandon> k
[03:54] <imbrandon> hrm well since the images were already there
[03:54] <imbrandon> shouldnt it have done it
[03:54] <Riddell> no, you changed them
[03:54] <imbrandon> ahh ok /me looks puzzled a bit but still does it
[03:55] <imbrandon> wow ok its a patch , now i'm even more puzzled
[03:55] <imbrandon> how can i make the uu file
[03:56] <imbrandon> uuencode the old and uuencode the new and make a diff ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: do you have the svg format ?
[03:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_: of ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> of your png :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_: they started as png's
[03:58] <imbrandon> no svg's this time
[03:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, forget this then :)
[03:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is it is also possible to generate the pngs during the build from an svg
[03:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:59] <Tonio_> that's another solution for adding icons
[04:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: in case that might help, look at wlassistant source package, I did that way
[04:00] <imbrandon> hum i dont have a uuencode command
[04:00] <Riddell> imbrandon: uuencode filename filename > filename.uu
[04:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_: well this time i just edited the existing png's
[04:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: then uuencoding is the only solution
[04:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: what provides uuencode
[04:01] <Riddell> sharutils
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:01] <Sime> Tonio_: were you able to get k-s-s packaged?
[04:02] <Tonio_> Sime: nope, I have an issue with the makefile
[04:02] <Tonio_> Sime: I'm on another package (qt-x11), but I'll show you the error when done
[04:03] <Tonio_> Sime: to make simple, configure files generation works etc, but it fails saying there is no rule to make AUTO
[04:04] <Tonio_> something like this
[04:04] <Tonio_> Sime: I think you touched that part didn't you ?
[04:04] <Sime> unsermake?
[04:04] <Riddell> the package uses unsermake yes
[04:05] <Riddell> you have to make the .orig with unsermake too
[04:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I simply got the svn and replace the systemsettings folder in the actual source package
[04:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't search more than this since I had other things on my todo :)
[04:06] <Riddell> well you need to do the buildprep
[04:06] <Tonio_> okay
[04:07] <Tonio_> I'll do it
[04:07] <Tonio_> I must say I'm not a fan of unsermake ;)
[04:08] <Tonio_> Sime: hehe
[04:09] <n8k99> http://eckenrodehouse.net/kubuntu/images/top.png  just for fun
[04:12] <imbrandon> grrr i hate this
[04:12] <imbrandon> that cant make it simple
[04:12] <imbrandon> s/that/they
[04:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok this has me whiped i cant make the diff look the same as kwin , do i uuencode the all the old ones and then all the news one and then diff or seperately or wth this is crazy
[04:19] <bddebian> Hello
[04:19] <imbrandon> heay bddebian
[04:20] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news ! 
[04:29] <Tonio_> it works now
[04:29] <Tonio_> the problem was in libqt-i18n
[04:29] <Sime> Riddell: will that computer icon on the kicker be staying in edgy?
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the other problem is that libqt3-mt crashes kde now....
[04:31] <Riddell> Sime: yes
[04:31] <Riddell> unless we switch to the new SuSE menu thing, but I think that unlikely
[04:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's not good
[04:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, and I don't understand why
[04:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna see the error message in kdeinit ?
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, but I don't know if I can do much help
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is our current qt isn't compiled with -inputmethod-ext
[04:34] <Tonio_> can that explain the deadkey problem ?
[04:35] <Tonio_> the other possibility is the arabic fonts patch, debian does it a slightly different way afaics
[04:35] <Tonio_> I will investigate and probably just fix our current version without providing the complete merge from debian...
[04:35] <Tonio_> then if it works I will focus on the merge
[04:36] <Tonio_> okay just crashing kde and I'm back ;)
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the issue:  kdeinit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4: undefined symbol: _Zthn148_N10QPopMenu10updateItemEI
[04:42] <Riddell> evil
[04:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: on edgy?
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[04:42] <Riddell> qt3 hasn't changed recently
[04:42] <Tonio_> exactly the same qt version
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the point, that's why I don't understand...
[04:43] <Tonio_> only the debian packaging has changed...
[04:43] <Tonio_> I looked at the deb files and nothing misses in them
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will first try to fix our package, and this after, since merging with debian is probably not the priority...
[04:44] <Riddell> oh, it's your new qt from debian
[04:44] <Riddell> so, erk, something binary incompatible has changed
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde could need rebuild with the resulting dev packages maybe ?
[05:05] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/ReinhardTartler/
[05:10] <Riddell> seaLne: no photo?
[05:12] <seaLne> nope
[05:19] <jdong> Riddell: your powermanager bzr repo, guidance_power_manager_ui.py is not versioned
[05:19] <jdong> just a heads up
[05:20] <jdong> Riddell: same with tooltip.py
[05:21] <Riddell> jdong: it's not ment to be
[05:21] <Riddell> neither is that
[05:21] <Riddell> make them with kdepyuic
[05:21] <jdong> oh
[05:22] <Riddell> jdong: but the latest version is in kde svn now
[05:22] <jdong> k
[05:22] <Riddell> under guidance
[05:23] <imbrandon> jdong: hey 
[05:23] <imbrandon> whats the current policy on backporting trivial libs ?
[05:23] <jdong> imbrandon: if they don't break anything in dapper, it's fine
[05:24] <imbrandon> ok can you look into a backport for us real fast 
[05:24] <imbrandon> yup exactly
[05:24] <jdong> :)
[05:24] <jdong> fire away
[05:24] <imbrandon> want me to tell you what 2 libs it needs ?
[05:24] <jdong> which ones?
[05:24] <imbrandon> libtunepimp3 and 
[05:24] <imbrandon> libvisual-0.4
[05:25] <imbrandon> both of witch comple fine 
[05:25] <imbrandon> in dapper 
[05:25] <imbrandon> ( i have it backported on my website right now )
[05:25] <jdong> looks good
[05:25] <jdong> libvisual 0.2 is already in dapper.... will 0.4 break anything?
[05:25] <imbrandon> but one small change is needed to the amarok deps , but i'm sure i can get Riddell to pop that in real fast
[05:25] <imbrandon> jdong: nope 
[05:25] <jdong> k
[05:25] <jdong> good
[05:25] <imbrandon> it will replace it just fine
[05:26] <imbrandon> drop in
[05:26] <jdong> well, then we just need that amarok source change
[05:26] <imbrandon> yea Riddell ping
[05:26] <Riddell> hm?
[05:26] <imbrandon> can you explisitly put a dep for libvisual-0.4-0 in the dep of amarok
[05:26] <Riddell> what is it currently?
[05:27] <imbrandon> it uses shlibs now but
[05:27] <imbrandon> it wants to use 0.2 unless you tell it not to in the control
[05:27] <imbrandon> if you add libvisual-0.4-0 in the runtime deps it all go's smooth
[05:28] <imbrandon> thats what i did for my website
[05:28] <imbrandon> the only change from whats in edgy atm
[05:28] <Riddell> it already depends on libvisual-0.4-dev
[05:28] <imbrandon> jdong: btw the new libtunepimp will fix a .so error currently on dapper anyhow
[05:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: thats the build deps
[05:29] <Riddell> uh huh
[05:29] <imbrandon> i'm talking the runtime deps
[05:29] <imbrandon> needs libvisual-0.4-0
[05:29] <Riddell> it doesn't seem to depend on libvisual at all
[05:29] <Riddell> run time
[05:29] <imbrandon> exactly
[05:29] <imbrandon> thats why you have to put it
[05:30] <imbrandon> other wise visualations dont work
[05:30] <Riddell> but why doesn't shlibs pick it up
[05:30] <imbrandon> no idea, i poked them in the amarok dev channell today about it
[05:30] <imbrandon> but no answer yet
[05:30] <Riddell> well it's not their fault :)
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: what causes the issue for qt is the addition of -inputmethod-ext
[05:30] <Riddell> or it might be
[05:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: debian added that?
[05:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: or did we?
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, but your requirements are to add it ;)
[05:31] <Tonio_> in KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-CHANGES
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I can now do the merge and that should work
[05:31] <imbrandon> but either way if you add it implistly ( you dont even have to version it ) or libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0 ) would work too ;)
[05:31] <Tonio_> let's try, and if it is okay, one of the nastiest edgy essues will be fixed :)
[05:31] <imbrandon> it all runs smooth 
[05:33] <imbrandon> Riddell: you wanna diff or you donna slap it in real fast ;)
[05:33] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:33] <imbrandon> s/donna/gonna
[05:34] <imbrandon> jdong: if you stick arround a bit i'll poke you about soem other kde apps that would be nice 
[05:34] <imbrandon> me and hobbsee was gonna go on a kde rampage tonight ;)
[05:34] <bddebian> aaahhhh :)
[05:34] <jdong> lol
[05:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'd rather understand the issue
[05:35] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok
[05:35] <jdong> imbrandon, hobbsee: you guys can always file bugs against dapper-backports if I'm not around
[05:35] <imbrandon> hrm ok 
[05:36] <imbrandon> jdong: yea wth can you document that somewhere becouse we were told to do it agains the package source
[05:36] <imbrandon> and then you go and reject them all 
[05:36] <imbrandon> i was more than a little ticked the first day 
[05:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:36] <jdong> lol, sorry :)
[05:37] <imbrandon> heh np but please update the backport wiki ;)
[05:37] <jdong> I believe it is documented on the wiki
[05:37] <jdong> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:37] <jdong> that information is correct
[05:37] <Riddell> jdong: well it looks like amarok just doesn't need libvisual, in which case there isn't a problem
[05:38] <imbrandon> k ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea it dosent NEED it , just no visuals without it 
[05:38] <imbrandon> ( but it will need the lib to build anyhow )
[05:40] <imbrandon> so jdong libtunepimp3 , libvisual ( libvisual-plugins if you are feeling like it ) and amarok ;)
[05:40] <imbrandon> and all should go smooth
[05:40] <jdong> k
[05:41] <imbrandon> i assumeing you'll have to do it in that order too since the buildd's will need the libs but i'm sure you know that ;)
[05:41] <jdong> yeah
[05:42] <jdong> Alright, I approved all 3 backports, now we just wait for ubuntu-archive :)
[05:42] <imbrandon> cool
[05:43] <imbrandon> they have been fairly quick lately
[05:43] <jdong> yeah
[05:43] <jdong> Riddell: is it possible for you to relax build-deps for k3b so that it'd backport to dapper?
[05:43] <jdong> kdelibs4-dev
[05:44] <Riddell> jdong: yes
[05:44] <Riddell> what needs done?
[05:45] <jdong> Riddell: right now, k3b depends on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2)
[05:45] <imbrandon> backports is off by default correct ?
[05:45] <jdong> imbrandon: correct. commented out
[05:45] <imbrandon> yea ok makin sure
[05:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: what does amarok use libvisual for?
[05:46] <Riddell> it doen't seem to be the animations at the bottom
[05:46] <imbrandon> visualations
[05:46] <imbrandon> no full screen ones like the xmms ones
[05:47] <Riddell> oh right, well I've never used them so I don't care :)
[05:47] <Riddell> it's not a dependency so it's not a problem, but we should still backport libvisual
[05:47] <imbrandon> see if you dont have libvisual installed
[05:47] <imbrandon> goto
[05:47] <imbrandon> tools--> visualations
[05:47] <Riddell> and I get a friendly error message
[05:48] <imbrandon> it gives you a nice informitive box that tell you what pacakges you need
[05:48] <imbrandon> yea
[05:48] <imbrandon> thats what its for
[05:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: even with libvisual installed I get that error
[05:50] <imbrandon> thats becouse the edgy package is named libvisual-0.4-0
[05:50] <Riddell> network is going here
[05:50] <Riddell> I'm out of net until tomorrow night
[05:50] <imbrandon> ouch
[05:50] <imbrandon> that sucks
[05:50] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:50] <Riddell> jdong: poke Tonio_ to fix k3b for backports
[05:51] <jdong> Tonio_: poke :)
[05:51] <Riddell> or raphink 
[05:51] <seaLne> Riddell: what is the reason for specifying version in k3b depends?
[05:51] <imbrandon> or crimsun will sponsor me too
[05:51] <Riddell> seaLne: of what?
[05:51] <imbrandon> kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2)
[05:52] <seaLne> and how do you tell what it should be?
[05:52] <seaLne> k3b says 0.12 is kde 3.2 >
[05:52] <Riddell> seaLne: probably added for transition needs when it actually does need to pick up the latest version
[05:52] <Riddell> seaLne: to find out what it needs look at the k3b website or INSTALL file and hope it says
[05:53] <imbrandon> it does say 3.2 >
[05:53] <Riddell> so that's fine to change
[05:53] <seaLne> ok i'll do that
[05:53] <imbrandon> just un-version it
[05:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:54] <seaLne> hmm kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.1.4-2)
[05:54] <seaLne> it seems unlikely that we are ging to drop below kde 3.2 :)
[05:54] <jdong> lol
[05:55] <jdong> I don't think kdelibs4-dev can drop below 3.2 :)
[05:55] <imbrandon> heh
[05:55] <seaLne> jdong: how much of a rush are you to get k3b backported?  as in the next few days i was planning on fixing a few more bugs
[05:55] <jdong> seaLne: no hurry
[05:56] <seaLne> ok, i'll update the bug when its ready?
[05:56] <seaLne> i assume backports shouldn't really get updated every few days
[05:57] <imbrandon> heh durring a dev cycle its likely to ;)
[05:57] <imbrandon> leaste untill uvf for universe
[05:57] <seaLne> when is that i can never remember
[05:57] <imbrandon> sept 7
[05:57] <seaLne> eek
[06:00] <seaLne> maybe i shouldn't go on holiday at the begining on sep then
[06:00] <Tonio_> jdong: ping ?
[06:01] <Tonio_> jdong: sorry I was out of the computer ;)
[06:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i think seaLne got it taken care of ( k3b fix for backports )
[06:02] <imbrandon> jdong: could you give me the amarok bug number so i can subscribe to it please
[06:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay, pretty easy to fix anyway :)
[06:02] <imbrandon> yea ;)
[06:03] <Tonio_> I hope the current build of qt will resolve the issue concerning qt apps
[06:03] <Tonio_> then I have to fix kdebase for klipper, and then ks-s to package........
[06:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_: when you go to fix kdebase i have a patch for some artwork
[06:04] <imbrandon> that you can upload at the same time if you dont mind
[06:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay, but in fact I'm unsure if the fix will go in kdebase or k-d-s
[06:04] <imbrandon> wb apachelogger
[06:04] <Tonio_> it can be fixed in both, but I think the issue is certainly in the current kds klipperrc file
[06:04] <imbrandon> k well this is for both kdelibs and kdebase
[06:04] <Tonio_> something incorrect with klipper 3.5.4
[06:05] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[06:05] <apachelogger> imbrandon: thx
[06:13] <imbrandon> seaLne: cool new interview ;)
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: the deadkeys bug is resolved
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was due to the arabic patch. the debian way to do looks better :)
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I upload the merged package or would you like to review first ?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Morning akk
[06:17] <DaSkreech> s/kk/ll
[06:22] <imbrandon> Tonio_: he is gone untill tomarrow night
[06:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: argh........
[06:25] <imbrandon> as long as its sane i would say go ahead
[06:25] <Tonio_> okay, I upload....
[06:26] <Tonio_> I'm on the klipper bug now ;)
[06:26] <Lure> Tonio_: yes!
[06:27] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Podcasts are down?
[06:27] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, we should request backport of knetworkmanager - kwallet now really works reliably
[06:27] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: the buntudot ones ?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Si
[06:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I just need to setup multi-pbuilder environment on edgy as I do not want to boot into dapper anymore ;-) 
[06:28] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yea for now becouse we merged with theFridge , i will continue them from imbrandon.com starting this weekend
[06:28] <imbrandon> and post the old ones
[06:28] <DaSkreech> So there is a new feed?
[06:28] <imbrandon> not atm
[06:29] <imbrandon> i will make it tonight sometime
[06:29] <imbrandon> and ping/email ya
[06:29] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[06:44] <Tonio_> hum... I must say the klipper error is very strange... it is the default klipperrc file that causes a crash...
[06:46] <imbrandon> crash ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yup, segfault
[06:46] <imbrandon> edgy ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> yes
[06:47] <Tonio_> the point is I don't know how are this file created......
[06:47] <imbrandon> hrm not here i never get the same error you do .....
[06:47] <Tonio_> ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc
[06:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't review, if it's in debian I guess that's fine to upload
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: already done :)
[06:47] <imbrandon> Riddell got internet back !! ;)
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know how are the files added in .kde when first loging created ?
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: the default klipperrc causes the crash, but I can't find it anywhere else
[06:48] <Tonio_> even it's content isn't in kdebase.........
[06:48] <Tonio_> I don't understand how it's generated
[06:51] <Lure> Tonio_: some config files are created from code 
[06:51] <Tonio_> Lure: here is the problem :)
[06:51] <Lure> Tonio_: I have seen it for Xsession, not sure for other kde stuff
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: something in kdelibs will make them
[06:54] <Lure> Tonio_: example: kdebase-3.5.2/kdm/kfrontend/genkdmconf.c
[06:54] <Tonio_> OMG !!!
[06:54] <Tonio_> here is the point
[06:54] <Tonio_> it fails -> remove the file -> it works -> add the file again -> it works..........
[06:54] <Tonio_> ununderstandable !
[06:55] <Tonio_> I'm gonna diff to figure the changes on .kde
[06:55] <Lure> interesting, but crashes are sometimes unreproducible (at least not 100%)
[06:56] <Tonio_> Lure: in this case it is easy to reproduce, simply create a new profile and login :)
[07:00] <Tonio_> Lure: diff -Nur .kde.bak .kde 
[07:00] <Tonio_> no output
[07:00] <Tonio_> doesn't work with .kde.bak, but works with .kde
[07:00] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't that an interesting trick ;)
[07:00] <Lure> this is getting interesting
[07:02] <Lure> Tonio_: it maybe that they code creating default file crashes? but only the first time...
[07:03] <Tonio_> Lure: if it was this, the file shouldn't be created
[07:03] <Tonio_> Lure: and more than this, is still crashing if you relaunch klipper
[07:03] <Tonio_> so I assume the cause is elsewhere
[07:03] <Lure> Tonio_: it may be that file is created and some cleanup code crashes, next time the file is there and problematic code does not get executed
[07:03] <Lure> I will download the source of klipper and look in...
[07:06] <Tonio_> Lure: more interesting
[07:06] <Tonio_> start the session, it fails
[07:06] <Tonio_> launch it manually, it works
[07:06] <Tonio_> logout, login it fails.........
[07:07] <Lure> Tonio_: this is what one guy mentioned in bug - it works from console
[07:07] <Tonio_> there is something special in the command used while autolaunching it
[07:07] <seaLne> Tonio_: could you look at http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b and upload?
[07:07] <Lure> Tonio_: it may be environment that is different in Konsole than in Run
[07:07] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ;) I didn't took the time to read the bug since I already saw it
[07:07] <Tonio_> seaLne: sure
[07:07] <Tonio_> seaLne: upload to edgy
[07:07] <seaLne> Tonio_: yeah
[07:08] <seaLne> Tonio_: off to cinema now, so ping if there is anything wrong, thanks
[07:08] <Tonio_> seaLne: sure
[07:09] <Lure> Tonio_: knm builds in dapper, so I will request backport
[07:09] <Tonio_> Lure: okayt
[07:46] <fdoving> hmm.. newest network-manager doesn't work with my bcm43xx.
[07:57] <Lure> hi allee
[07:57] <allee> heya Lure 
[08:27] <tuxi> hi
[08:27] <tuxi> i'am clean up my apt server ;-)
[08:27] <tuxi> dirty thing
[08:28] <Tonio_> Lure: it looks like the klipper bug is very complex in fact
[08:28] <Tonio_> Lure: klipper works in konsole because nothing is set as an argument
[08:28] <Tonio_> I assume kde is giving arguments while launching via a desktop file
[08:28] <Lure> Tonio_: yep - it seems it crashes as it cycles (recursion) in KConfig...
[08:28] <Tonio_> Lure: can you try this : klipper --toto
[08:28] <Tonio_> segfault
[08:28] <Tonio_> it should say invalid argument
[08:29] <Tonio_> I assume this is the same bug
[08:29] <Tonio_> that makes klipper crash from konsole
[08:29] <Lure> Tonio_: --toto invalid option
[08:29] <Tonio_> Lure: but what I don't understand is that it works with an empty klipperrc
[08:30] <Tonio_> this would mean the problel is to parse the config file
[08:30] <Tonio_> but the thing is that the config is correctly parsed while launching klipper from konsole
[08:30] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe we should submit upstream
[08:30] <Tonio_> Lure: invalid option on edgy ?
[08:31] <Lure> Tonio_: yes
[08:31] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ klipper --toto
[08:31] <Tonio_> Erreur de segmentation
[08:31] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$
[08:31] <Tonio_> means segfault
[08:31] <Tonio_> Lure: do you have a klipperrc file in your profile ?
[08:31] <trappist> Tonio_: I don't, and it gives a usage statement as expected here
[08:31] <Tonio_> Lure: in fact I had a workarround for the bug but it looks incomplete
[08:32] <Tonio_> trappist: I can't understand this....
[08:32] <Lure> yes, ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc
[08:32] <Tonio_> Lure: remove it and retry
[08:32] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:32] <Lure> trappist: but it takes time, yes?
[08:33] <trappist> Lure: yes
[08:33] <Tonio_> Lure: okay if I remove the klipperrc file, it tells me that this is an unknown option
[08:33] <Tonio_> good
[08:33] <trappist> and now that I do have a klipperrc, it still doesn't segfault
[08:34] <Tonio_> trappist: simply try this : echo "#" > ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc
[08:34] <Tonio_> trappist: that will reproduce the segfault while doing klipper --toto
[08:35] <Tonio_> bug the thing is it'll crash whatever is the text inside
[08:35] <Tonio_> not only #
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: can you confirm this too ?
[08:35] <trappist> Tonio_: no, it still doesn't segfault
[08:35] <Tonio_> trappist: it does here
[08:35] <Lure> Tonio_: no, still no crash...
[08:36] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, okay let's forget this :)
[08:36] <Tonio_> can be a profile difference
[08:36] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is that it takes a lot of time to output the error
[08:36] <Tonio_> it should be almost automatic
[08:37] <trappist> takes a lot of time here to output the usage statement, too
[08:37] <Tonio_> Lure: I think we should report that upstream, but as it is a code issue, you may give a better explanation that I can ;)
[08:37] <danimo> heya!
[08:37] <Lure> trappist: I suspect it get in some kind of recursion which sometimes crashes and sometimes completes (by accident?)
[08:37] <danimo> is it possible to install dapper in text mode?
[08:37] <Lure> at least stack trace looks like that
[08:38] <Lure> danimo: yes, alternate CD is for that
[08:38] <Lure> danimo: or DVD
[08:38] <trappist> I'm watching the strace output - there is a LOT of it for an invalid option
[08:38] <danimo> Lure: but not with the original CD?
[08:38] <trappist> still watching...
[08:38] <Lure> danimo: no, not with desktop/live CD
[08:39] <Lure> there are some nice errors like this reported: ==21130== Warning: invalid file descriptor 1019 in syscall open()
[08:42] <Lure> Tonio_: now it has crashed - under valgrind! will attach log to bug
[08:42] <Tonio_> Lure: cool
[08:46] <Tonio_> Lure: I commented again on bug 56377 since what I though to be a fix is only a workaround
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56377 in kdebase "klipper crashes on login " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56377
[08:46] <Lure> Tonio_: I have added valgrind data
[08:47] <Tonio_> Lure: great
[08:48] <Tonio_> Lure: we should ping klipper maintainer eventually
[10:36] <seaLne> it would be nice if one of these days the fridge actually announced behindubuntu interviews before lwn
[10:37] <seaLne> or atleast the same day