[02:04] <bluefoxicy> I am lolling at this.
[02:05] <bluefoxicy> my kernel is getting pissed off
[02:05] <bluefoxicy> I keep doing dd if=/bin/cat of=/dev/{zero,null}
[02:05] <bluefoxicy> and it has random processes crash or random oopses happen as a reaction.
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> /dev/zero isn't for writing to
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> I noticed!  :D
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> aww now dd just segfaults
[02:11] <Fujitsu> It really shouldn't do that...
[02:11] <Fujitsu> You're not meant to write to it, but it really shouldn't crash.
[02:12] <keescook> the kernel is allergic to /bin/cats, I guess.
[02:12] <mjg59> It's a broken kernel of some description
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> I filed a bug, you figure it out.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> I think it might take more than that
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Not doing much, nor does cat.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> mine crashed wine
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> the dd seemed to be the trigger; a second one (pointed at /dev/null) caused another oops but further just segfault dd
[02:13] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: The oopses would be interesting
[02:13] <mjg59> I suspect that something else has blown up at some earlier point
[02:14] <mjg59> Whose kernel is this, and are you running any local patches?
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> bug 57642 mjg
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57642 in linux-source-2.6.17 "kernel bug, you figure it out." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57642
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Sounds like a nasty kernel bug...
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> and full call trace I might add.
[02:14] <mjg59> That's an utterly implausible failure
[02:15] <mjg59> Looks like you've got heavy memory corruption
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> probably.
[02:15] <mjg59> This is entirely the kernel we ship?
[02:15] <mjg59> No local patches at all?
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> i'm FAR too lazy to roll my own
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> so yes it's yours :)
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Dud RAM?
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> Fujitsu:  curious, did dd segfault at all?
[02:16] <Fujitsu> No.
[02:16] <mjg59> Utterly unreproducible here
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> Fujitsu:  I'm actually pretty stable
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Not at all.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Run a memtest lately, bluefoxicy?
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> besides dd being a dumbass
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> no, but I will on next reboot.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> OK, good...
[02:16] <Fujitsu> 'cause I've just tried it on three machines, nothing happens.
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> Fujitsu:  i'm thinking something else caused the problem and the kernel just freaked out at dd at random
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> could have been wine
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Corrupting bits of kernel memory? I doubt it.
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> while true;do sudo dd if=/bin/cat of=/dev/zero bs=1 count=512; done did nothing here
[02:21] <Fujitsu> Same, that's similar to what I did.
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> dmesg | grep BUG
[02:21] <zul> i think its just memory corruption
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> it probably is, but the question is is it programmatic and if so why
[02:22] <zul> because you did something weird?
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> well, I did nothing at kernel level
[02:22] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: it would be considerably more helpful when you use descriptive summaries instead of "kernel bug, you figure it out."
[02:23] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  it would definitely be more helpful; however that's all I got
[02:23] <bluefoxicy> it's inobvious what the problem is and the kernel basically said exactly that
[02:23] <keescook> One possible summary could be "kernel oops while using dd on /dev/zero"
[02:23] <bluefoxicy> 20% done with updates, will reboot in a few minutes to pummel memory
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> keescook:  I'm pretty sure it's not a /dev/zero bug
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> especially since nobody else can trigger it that way
[02:24] <Fujitsu> But it's a start.
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> I did put that at the end of the report though.
[02:24] <azeem> bluefoxicy: maybe you're a special kind of zero
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> a super zero?
[02:25] <Fujitsu> But in the summary is probably a better idea, as people look at the summary first.
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> that being the purpose of a summary
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> summary: "see description for details" isn't a summary
[02:33] <bluefoxicy> goin' down
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> memtest did a full pass, says I'm fine
[03:17] <bddebian> That's debatable :-)
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> YES!
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> Elena says she'll try to get the pie patches submitted for inclusion in gdb mainline!
[07:49] <nags> Hi
[07:49] <nags> how do I configure domain name in Breezy ?
[07:49] <nags> my IP address is obtained from a DHCP server (LAN)
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> /etc/hosts ?
[07:49] <nags> but it doesn't get the host name
[07:50] <nags> Sp4rKy, but with dynamic IP how can I set the host name ? I mean in /ect/hosts we need to specify the IP address also, right ?
[07:51] <Sp4rKy> i'm not sure
[07:51] <nags> hmmm
[07:51] <nags> can somebody help me ?
[07:51] <Sp4rKy> try setting youhostname with 127.0.0.1 ip on the same line
[07:52] <infinity> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[07:52] <infinity> 127.0.1.1 cthulhu.0c3.net cthulhu
[07:52] <infinity> (for example)
[07:52] <nags> Sp4rKy, ya tried, but no luck
[07:52] <Sp4rKy> &:/
[07:52] <gnux123> yes
[07:52] <nags> infinity, 127.0.1.1 ? anyways let me try...
[07:53] <infinity> nags: If you just mean you want the system to have the correct hostname (ie: according to the kernel), that goes in /etc/hostname (but that's just the short host name, not the FQDN)
[07:53] <nags> infinity, okay
[07:53] <nags> infinity, even after setting the host name is not resolvable...
[07:54] <infinity> nags: If you mean you want domain resolution to work, but DHCP isn't sending you a useful domain name, try editing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to add sometihng like: append domain-name " 0c3.net";
[07:54] <nags> infinity, let me try it now..
[07:54] <infinity> (or: s/append/supersede/, if you don't want the domain name sent by your ISP to be used at all)
[07:56] <nags> infinity, okay
[07:56] <nags> infinity, I could see something like this #send host-name "andare.fugue.com";
[07:56] <nags> infinity, shall I make it to my host name ?
[07:56] <infinity> That sends a hostname to the DHCP server, not the other way around.
[07:57] <infinity> Useful if you have a DHCP server that asiigns IPs based on hostname.
[07:57] <nags> infinity, ah ! okay
[08:10] <nags> infinity, I get something like this '<null: Host name lookup failure'
[08:11] <nags> I get nags.blr.dell.com does not exist (Authoritative answer)
[08:14] <infinity> Err, using what?
[08:15] <infinity> Utilities like "host" or "nslookup" will be querying your DNS server.  No amount of messing on your local machine will magically get a DNS record in your DNS server.
[08:15] <nags> infinity, host
[08:16] <infinity> Yeah, "host" does a DNS query.  It's not a local resolver lookup.
[08:17] <nags> imbrandon, okay
[08:17] <infinity> And at this point, I think we've wandered so far into "off-topic support" that if you have further questions, you should probably take it to #ubuntu
[08:17] <nags> ah ! sorry tab filling
[08:17] <nags> infinity, :)
[08:19] <nags> imbrandon, apologize, in tab filling I just typed i <tab> <enter>
[08:19] <imbrandon> heh np ;)
[08:19] <imbrandon> moins infinity
[08:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:25] <Keybuk> "Who maintains RPM?" ... LWN has become The Register!
[08:26] <lifeless> Keybuk: pong
[08:27] <Keybuk> lifeless: I ping'd ?
[08:27] <lifeless> you wanted to arrange a time to chat
[08:27] <lifeless> now is good for me
[08:27] <Keybuk> can it wait until I've had more coffee
[08:27] <Keybuk> like, err, some
[08:27] <lifeless> sure. I've got about a 60minute window
[08:28] <Keybuk> hopefully Mark won't pop in again and do his "guys, can you close your laptops" thing again
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[08:37] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: what did he want we he asked you to close your laptops?
[08:37] <lifeless> attention
[08:37] <Burgundavia> lifeless: umm, isn't that what he pays over 100 people for?
[08:39] <Keybuk> the udev rules file format changed again
[08:39] <lifeless> over 100 ?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> lifeless: canonical + hbd + foundation
[08:40] <gnux123> hbd?
[08:40] <lifeless> they are very different things
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yes, but they are all extensions of Mark
[08:41] <lifeless> mmm, I'm not!. I'm an individual.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> lifeless: not since you have been sucked into the Canonical mothership ;)
[08:47] <StoneTable> hey Burgundavia 
[08:50] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:51] <Burgundavia> StoneTable: greetings adam
[08:51] <StoneTable> Recovered from san fran?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> mostly
[08:51] <StoneTable> The jet lag killed me
[08:51] <Burgundavia> apparently I allowed myself to get video taped there
[08:51] <Burgundavia> check the top of ubuntuvideo
[08:51] <StoneTable> hah, yeah
[08:52] <StoneTable> nice
[09:10] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: heh yea i've eather gonna have to come to ubucon next year and/or "edumicate" you on kubuntu ;)
[09:10] <imbrandon> either* jez
[09:10] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: why is that?
[09:10] <imbrandon> just teasin you about the lack of kubuntu info when someone ask about adept ;)
[09:11] <Burgundavia> right
[09:11] <imbrandon> thats all , just rasin ya a bit ;)
[09:11] <Burgundavia> that KDE guy was the worst
[09:11] <Burgundavia> he grilled me later on KDE support
[09:11] <Burgundavia> grilled Jane on it
[09:11] <imbrandon> lol
[09:11] <Burgundavia> he was very agressive about it. As if, if we answered wrong, he was going to be very annoyed
[09:11] <imbrandon> about what ? just support questions ? 
[09:11] <Burgundavia> how much does Ubuntu/Canonical support KDE
[09:11] <imbrandon> hahah yea i hate that
[09:12] <Burgundavia> they he got poor Chris Kenyon, who has only used Linux for 3 months
[09:12] <imbrandon> heh yea i'm definately gonna have to come be the token kde guy next year ( since Riddell most likely wont make it to the US );)
[09:12] <imbrandon> heh
[09:12] <StoneTable> He stood up during whiprush's talk and started questioning the ltsp guys
[09:13] <imbrandon> damn thats rude
[09:13] <StoneTable> They finally told him to shut up and sit down
[09:13] <imbrandon> i only watched the first 10 minutes or so, i'll catch the rest later
[09:14] <imbrandon> looks like it was a great talk over all though
[09:14] <imbrandon> other than obvious idiots ;)
[09:14] <Burgundavia> it is too bad, because all he did was give KDE a bad name
[09:14] <imbrandon> very true
[09:15] <Burgundavia> right near the end is when we asks chris about KDE support
[09:15] <imbrandon> ;P chris == ?
[09:15] <imbrandon> i must not know him very well
[09:16] <imbrandon> is he the guy on the ubuntuos podcast >?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> chris kenyon, don't know if he hangs out on irc. Canonicals marketing guy
[09:16] <Burgundavia> great people, but zero Linux expereince
[09:16] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:16] <imbrandon> heh ;)
[09:16] <gnux123> heh
[09:17] <imbrandon> and people make that mistake alot asking devs about marketing or marketing about tech stuff and expect a great answer
[09:17] <gnux123> Then why did they hire Chris?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> because you hire good people and then train them
[09:17] <Burgundavia> Linux is a skill you can learn
[09:18] <Burgundavia> being a good marketing person is not'
[09:18] <imbrandon> gnux123: you dont have to be an expert tech to be a good marketing guy , i doubt the windows marketing team can code c++ ( i'm sure there are exceptions but overall )
[09:18] <gnux123> Thankz for the info
[09:18] <Burgundavia> for instance, in my office of all sales and marketing, we have 1 linux guy (that would be me), 1 ex linux guy and 3 complete neophytes
[09:19] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: exactly there is a diffrence between a learned skill and a natual ability , marketing is more the natural thing moreso
[09:19] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:19] <imbrandon> natural*
[09:20] <imbrandon> now dont get me wrong a natural can always "learn" his skill better but you know what i mean
[09:20] <jdub> you guys are talking about "marketing" as if it's one thing, a single skill
[09:20] <imbrandon> looks like the world is wakin up, moins seb128 jdub dholbach mdz
[09:20] <imbrandon> jdub: true , it is MANY facets
[09:21] <mdz> wireless network has awakened
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: I disagree
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> the ability to use a computer maybe
[09:21] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB: we will have to disagree another time, because I am about to crash and the canonical people kind of need this channel to do minor things like develop Ubuntu
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[09:22] <seb128> hi imbrandon jdub
[09:22] <jdub> hey seb128 
[09:23] <jdub> seb128: how's wiesbaden hackery?
[09:23] <seb128> good
[09:23] <pitti> hey jdub 
[09:23] <seb128> dholbach forgot to put the alarm clock this morning
[09:23] <ivoks> :)
[09:23] <seb128> but mdz phoned us, so that's alright ;)
[09:23] <pitti> surprising that you were only 9 minutes left
[09:23] <pitti> ah
[09:23] <jdub> lucky
[09:23] <jdub> that nine am smackdown sizzles ;)
[09:24] <seb128> no need of a clock when you have mdz around apparently ;)
[09:24] <Keybuk> jdub: 11:30am sharp
[09:24] <mdz> when I call, you are already TOO LATE.
[09:24] <seb128> jdub: out of that pretty good
[09:24] <seb128> DOH
[09:25] <Keybuk> seb128: ah, that explains why your t-shirt is on back to front
[09:25] <dholbach> seb128: I *put* it, I just seem to have turned it off while sleeping again
[09:25] <Keybuk> ...what's funny is you checked
[09:25] <dholbach> Keybuk: you have too much time... too much time to make fun of seb128
[09:26] <jdub> Keybuk: wiesbaden is 11:30am sharp?! things going soft now?
[09:26] <pitti> jdub: rather, brains going liquid
[09:26] <Keybuk> jdub: mdz was apparently losing confidence that he'd be up himself as the night got later
[09:27] <Keybuk> ssh
[09:27] <Keybuk> he's here
[09:27] <Keybuk> o/~ I'm going to kill Kay Sievers
[09:27] <seb128> jdub: those german people have "schnaps" ... doesn't make easy to wake up before 9am
[09:28] <Burgundavia> but did you have a transexual for mdz to sing with?
[09:28] <mvo> there is really good schnaps in germany, thats for sure!
[09:28] <StoneTable> I think mdz had the better voice, tho
[09:28] <pitti> jdub: seb needed to catch up from last conference's Schnaps deprivation
[09:31] <imbrandon> ohh jdub OT i was gonna tell you i grabed your mugshot packages and updated it to the latest version and compiled debs for dapper/edgy if your interested 
[09:32] <jdub> imbrandon: cool
[09:32] <imbrandon> jdub: http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/edgy/extras/    s/edgy/dapper/g if you wanna grab it 
[09:32] <jdub> imbrandon: mail me a deb-src line whenever you have the oppportunity
[09:32] <imbrandon> kk will do
[09:33] <imbrandon> jdub@ubuntu.com or ......
[09:33] <jdub> jeff.waugh
[09:34] <jdub> maybe jdub works too
[09:34] <dholbach> imbrandon: upload to the archive! :)
[09:34] <jdub> i dunno
[09:34] <jdub> dholbach: it's kind of not useful in the archive
[09:34] <dholbach> jdub: aha?
[09:34] <imbrandon> dholbach: you realy need an mugshot invite
[09:34] <imbrandon> to actualy use it
[09:34] <dholbach> hm
[09:34] <dholbach> I never uinderstood mugshot anyway
[09:35] <dholbach> 'There are 137 direct members of the "Ubuntu BugSquad" team'!
[09:35] <dholbach> sfllaw: ^
[09:35] <jdub> dholbach: the client is updated often enough that having an old version shipping in edgy would be kind of bong
[09:36] <imbrandon> jdub: sent, should arrive any min
[09:36] <jdub> thanks
[09:38] <imbrandon> yea if they ever stableize it ( as in not change ever few weeks heh ) then it might be ok to upload ;)
[09:38] <imbrandon> dholbach: ^
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hey all
[09:39] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[09:39] <imbrandon> amarok uped to archive Hobbsee
[09:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[09:39] <Hobbsee> it even works now, too
[09:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: have you requested backports, etc, for it yet?
[09:40] <imbrandon> it cant be backported just yet, becouse of libvisual and ummm one more lib
[09:40] <imbrandon> libtinepimp3
[09:40] <imbrandon> tunepimp3*
[09:41] <imbrandon> but i'll check it out later today when riddell wakes and see if we can get all 3 backported since those are trivial libs only amarok uses
[09:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: tru ehtat.
[09:41] <Keybuk> sladen:
[09:41] <Keybuk> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimliair.jpg
[09:42] <Keybuk> http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html
[09:48] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: been there, lived there, really not much to see
[09:49] <sivang> morning
[09:50] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: hmm?
[09:50] <pitti> hi sivang 
[09:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> (and Riddell )
[09:54] <pitti> hi Hobbsee 
[09:55] <sivang> hey Hobbsee !
[09:55] <sivang> and Riddell 
[09:55] <imbrandon> heya Riddell
[10:01] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: I have lived in Gimli and been to that airport. It is as truly desolate as it is made out to be
[10:04] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: right, but that wasn't what the links were about
[11:28] <sladen> Kamion: what were those success/failure rate for xorg...10.3 on the laptops here?
[11:29] <sladen> Burgundavia: ahhh, much like "Hahn".  30km through rolling countryside to the nearest railway station
[11:31] <Mithrandir> sladen: about 50/50 on the machines mdz_ tested, iirc.
[11:32] <sladen> Mithrandir: ta.  Would be handy to say 6 passed, 7 failed if anyone remembers better
[11:42] <Keybuk> so, err, where *does* the TERM variable come from?
[11:42] <Keybuk> I have a nasty feeling the only reason it happens to get set with sysvinit is that /bin/sh does it
[11:42] <Keybuk> and that /etc/init.d/rc is written in shell
[11:43] <Keybuk> actually, no, that wouldn't explain why it doesn't get set for upstart
[11:43] <Keybuk> maybe the kernel sets it
[11:44] <sladen> Keybuk: I thought you passed the terminal type to getty explictly
[11:44] <Keybuk> need to reboot with init=/usr/bin/env and see what's in that
[11:45] <sladen> Keybuk: eg.  grep '^.*T.*vt100' /etc/inittab 
[11:46] <ivoks> Keybuk: :)
[11:46] <ivoks> Keybuk: that's my bug report
[11:47] <sladen> keybuk: [term]    The  value  to  be  used for the TERM environment variable. This overrides whatever init(8) may have set,
[11:47] <Kamion> sladen: 6/9 failures
[11:47] <Keybuk> sladen: those are just for serial lines
[11:48] <Keybuk> I suspect it just inherits the default variable from the kernel
[11:51] <sladen> Keybuk: the serial lines probably have to overide whatever the compile default is
[12:32] <Mithrandir> pitti: apport doesn't seem to preserve command line arguments when respawning applications, is that right?
[12:40] <sladen> tollef: you rock :)
[12:40] <Kamion> Gloubiboulga: could you seed xfce4-notes-plugin and xfce4-smartbookmarks-plugin somewhere?
[12:40] <Kamion> er smartbookmark
[12:40] <sladen> Kamion: 6 failure, 3 success
[12:42] <Mithrandir> sladen: about the libx11 thingy or something else?
[12:42] <sladen> Mithrandir: yup, that  (although you rock anyway, of course :)
[12:43] <Mithrandir> sladen: thanks. :-.)
[12:51] <Guf0> Hi, just a simple question: I have the live cds sent me by Canonical and I'd like to do a "server-install", do you think is it possible? I don't want use the live cd.
[12:54] <Kamion> Guf0: not really, sorry; the only way to do that would be to install the live CD and then remove everything desktopish
[12:55] <tseng> thanks for the hard work, whoever cleaned up NEW
[12:55] <Guf0> Kamion, well, when I install ubuntu there is a line where is listened all the features to pass at the boot. Maybe there is something there. Later I'll test, because I haven't a cd to burn the real server-install iso :)
[12:56] <Kamion> tseng: no problem
[12:56] <Kamion> Guf0: take it from me, nothing on the live CD will give you a server install out of the box
[12:56] <Guf0> ok :)
[12:57] <Keybuk> oh, this is weird
[01:01] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks for genius in the archive! :)
[01:02] <Kamion> np
[01:03] <jono> hey
[01:06] <tseng> hi jono 
[01:57] <Keybuk> oh, wow, so this code is like, totally wrong
[01:57] <Kamion> ... dude
[02:00] <_ion> keybuk: What code?
[02:00] <Keybuk> *thus* code
[02:00] <Keybuk> uh this
[02:02] <robtaylor> strudel.harder.more.more.more
[02:03] <robtaylor> Keybuk: coming to camby this weekend?
[02:07] <Keybuk> robtaylor: Tonio_ of course!
[02:07] <Keybuk> uh
[02:07] <Keybuk> s/Tonio_//
[02:08] <Tonio_> :)
[02:16] <robtaylor> Keybuk: woo!
[02:20] <slomo> when will the main freeze for knot2 start?
[02:47] <Riddell> slomo: monday (I believe)
[02:47] <Riddell> slomo: why is libdbus-qt only 0.62?
[02:47] <slomo> Riddell: you mean 0.62.git.bla? because there wasn't a new release yet
[02:48] <Riddell> slomo: any idea why that is?  surely they're all released by the same person?  
[02:50] <slomo> Riddell: nope, all parts have a different maintainer
[02:50] <slomo> i guess because they're either not ready yet or because they put all work in the qt4 bindings
[02:50] <slomo> sjoerd, do you have an idea why qt bindings have no release yet?
[02:51] <Riddell> I suspect there may not be a maintainer at all for qt3 bindings
[02:51] <slomo> then it's the same as for the c# bindings since ages :/
[02:51] <Riddell> slomo: so I didn't realise that it was a new ABI and I was just testing against the old dbus libraries which were still installed
[02:52] <Riddell> now compiling stuff against dbus soname 3
[02:52] <slomo> thanks
[02:52] <sjoerd> slomo: because the qt3 stuff is totally unsupported :)
[02:52] <slomo> sjoerd: nice ;)
[02:53] <sjoerd> slomo: fedora/redhat put the apps that needed qt3 dbus stuff inside the app packages themselves, so they wouldn't need a new dbus-qt3 package ;(
[02:53] <pitti_> hi sjoerd 
[02:53] <slomo> sjoerd: some c# packages are doing the same upstream now :/ ugly as hell... at least some people are now working on new better ones
[02:54] <sjoerd> yup
[02:54] <sjoerd> pitti: morning ;)
[02:54] <slomo> hi pitti :)
[02:54] <pitti> sjoerd: it's already afternoon :)
[03:00] <mdke> jdub: around?
[03:12] <sladen> mdz: and for mere mortals too?
[03:15] <mdz> http://www.kde-files.org/content/files/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-6.8.2.png
[03:40] <Keybuk> o/~ The coffee man can
[03:40] <Keybuk> o/~ Because he puts it in a cup and makes the world taste good
[03:45] <towolf> I found a problematic interaction between compiz and gucharmap (no char magnification popup window). Do I file the bug for the former, the latter, or upstream only?
[03:48] <seb128> iwj: any reason you changed the firefox user-agent string to be "Ubuntu-edgy" instead of "Ubuntu/edgy" (it used to be "Ubuntu/dapper")? epiphany upstream is asking
[04:03] <iwj> seb128: No particular reason, no, but the rest of the user agent string changed lots (eg to make it have gecko in again).
[04:03] <iwj> Is it a problem ?
[04:07] <thom> iwj: rfc2068 (and the mozilla U-A spec) kinda suggests you should be using / to seperate product and version, but i can't see that it matters much
[04:10] <seb128> iwj: <chpe> don't think it's a problem, just an unexpected / unnecessary change :)
[04:10] <seb128> iwj: apparently it's no problem, he was just wondering "why"
[04:19] <bddebian> Morning folks
[04:30] <iriya> Is there anyone?
[04:30] <pitti> iriya: no :)
[04:30] <iriya> Hi!
[04:31] <Keybuk> fabbione: ya know, instead of playing bug tennis you could just ask me
[04:31] <Keybuk> that's definitely not a udev bug
[04:31] <fabbione> Keybuk: isn't udev that handles the transition to UUID with volemid pkg?
[04:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: i am not sure yet and i won't for about 2 weeks (since i am going in holidays) what's at fault and why
[04:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: i added a comment that it was probably a good idea to wait to transition raid
[04:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: and reassigned to udev
[04:33] <iriya> Can I ask some questions?
[04:34] <Keybuk> fabbione: no
[04:34] <iriya> ok
[04:34] <fabbione> Keybuk: no what?
[04:34] <Keybuk> it's nothing to do with udev
[04:34] <Keybuk> mdstat fails
[04:34] <Keybuk> and you did not add a comment
[04:35] <Keybuk> you just played bug tennis
[04:35] <fabbione> i did add a comment...
[04:35] <fabbione> i am damn sure about it
[04:35] <fabbione> if mdstat fails, then you know more than i do to get it fixed.
[04:35] <fabbione> i don't have the setup here to test/fix
[04:35] <Keybuk> if mdstat fails, and our raid expert refuses to help, I'm going to suggest we unseed it
[04:35] <Keybuk> and move raid to unsupported
[04:35] <Keybuk> and universe
[04:36] <fabbione> Keybuk: i didn' t refuse to help.. read above
[04:36] <fabbione> i am going in vacation for 2 weeks
[04:36] <jdub> mdke: around for a moment
[04:36] <fabbione> and i don't have the setup to test/fix it here
[04:36] <Keybuk> you could say tha ton the bug
[04:36] <fabbione> Keybuk: i did write a mail about my vacation
[04:36] <fabbione> that i was trying to keep less public
[04:36] <fabbione> but since you take the argument here..
[04:37] <fabbione> Keybuk: but if you want to remove it from the seeds go ahead.. do whatever you think it's appropriate.
[04:37] <fabbione> Keybuk: at the same time please inform that we can't support server anylonger
[04:37] <Keybuk> if you think that consistently refusing to help with any bugs that you're our resident expert for is an "argument", sure, I moved it here
[04:38] <Keybuk> we're a distro *team*
[04:38] <fabbione> please paste here where i did refuse to help
[04:38] <fabbione> you keep trying to put in my mouth stuff that i did NOT say
[04:38] <fabbione> if you want to take the argument that we are a distro team
[04:38] <fabbione> sure.. then you can take care of a bug while i am on vacation for me
[04:39] <Keybuk> I interpret the fact you've reassigned four bugs back to me whenever I've assigned themto you and asked for help as refusing to help
[04:39] <fabbione> 4?
[04:39] <Keybuk> yes
[04:39] <fabbione> showme this 4
[04:39] <Keybuk> that's how many it's been so far
[04:39] <fabbione> idid reassing one today
[04:39] <fabbione> so far in 2 1/2 year?
[04:39] <fabbione> wow
[04:39] <Keybuk> 4 in 2 months!
[04:39] <Keybuk> on this one problem
[04:40] <fabbione> so you start something and not dealing to take all the consequences?
[04:40] <Keybuk> and I would be delighted to help this user, except that I know absolutely fucking nothing about RAID
[04:40] <Keybuk> you're our expert on that
[04:40] <fabbione> i would like to help him too
[04:40] <fabbione> but i don't have the equipment here
[04:40] <fabbione> and i will be away 2 weeks
[04:41] <fabbione> learning raid takes no more than one hour for a clever guy like you
[04:41] <fabbione> one hour including a coffee break
[04:41] <Keybuk> enough to debug what's wrong?  alot more than that
[04:41] <Keybuk> I shouldn't *need* to
[04:41] <Keybuk> I have more than enough bugs of my own
[04:41] <Keybuk> including those I happily accept from other people
[04:41] <fabbione> dude if i die today, who will take care of that bug?
[04:41] <Keybuk> nobody
[04:42] <fabbione> cool
[04:42] <fabbione> than reassigning
[04:42] <fabbione> nobody can/will take care of it for the next 2 weeks
[04:43] <Keybuk> I'm sure that's fine
[04:43] <Keybuk> just don't reassign them back without so much as a comment!
[04:43] <fabbione> i DID add a comment!
[04:43] <Keybuk> Malone disagrees with you
[04:43] <fabbione> Malone sucks
[04:44] <fabbione> can you give me the bug number again?
[04:44] <Keybuk> #57607
[04:44] <fabbione> screw malone
[04:46] <fabbione> #57715
[04:47] <Keybuk> fabbione: if this bug is something you do, it could explain why I've had "reassign back without comment" things from you before
[04:47] <elmo> NOTICE: the Launchpad librarian is going down in 10 minutes time for an hour - soyuz will be shutdown for the period and it will affect other aspects of launchpad (e.g. bug report attachments, build logs, etc.)
[04:48] <Keybuk> in which case, I apologise for you shirking your responsibilities
[04:48] <fabbione> Keybuk:  i did reassign adding a comment
[04:48] <Keybuk> (implying that you are)
[04:48] <fabbione> Keybuk: i have no reason to push stuff back without a reason.
[04:48] <fabbione> no need to apologies
[04:48] <Keybuk> "never blame on a fellow developer that which they can blame on Malone"
[04:48] <iwj> thom,seb128: I've made a note of it and I may even manage to change it back at some point.  Thanks :-).
[04:49] <seb128> iwj: thank you ;)
[04:52] <mdke> jdub: just trying to get a response to that email about mailing lists. I've resent you a reminder
[05:07] <sbalneav> Keybuk: ping
[05:07] <Keybuk> sbalneav: hey
[05:07] <pitti> hi sbalneav 
[05:07] <sbalneav> Hey, just wanted to say, I was working on getting what ogra needed for the session handling done, 
[05:08] <sbalneav> and I hadn't had a chance to do the fork/exec stuff for ltspfs done yet
[05:08] <sbalneav> but I'll get it done within the next 4 hours or so.
[05:08] <pitti> ogra already fixed ltspfs
[05:08] <pitti> Keybuk: ^ approved, btw
[05:08] <sbalneav> So don't demote it to universe quite yet :)
[05:08] <sbalneav> hey pitti
[05:09] <sbalneav> yeah, he's going to mail that bit to me, so I'll just finish up on ltspfsd
[05:09] <Keybuk> sbalneav: it was demoted to universe already
[05:09] <ogra> sbalneav, to late they already deoted them 
[05:09] <Keybuk> it's Colin's archive day today
[05:10] <sbalneav> ogra: so does this mean the localdev stuff won't be in this knot?
[05:13] <Kamion> happy to promote it back again
[05:14] <sbalneav> Kamion: If you could, it'd be great, because it would mean that edubuntu users could test localdev stuff this knot.
[05:14] <sbalneav> Like I say, I can send a tarball within about 4 hours or so.
[05:14] <Kamion> we're looking at near the end of next week for the Knot release, not near the start
[05:14] <sbalneav> Ah, so time yet.
[05:14] <sbalneav> ok
[05:14] <Kamion> so if you guys get it fixed, I can promote ltspfsd on Monday and that will be time enough
[05:15] <Kamion> ltspfs promoted - thanks for your patience
[05:15] <sbalneav> Perfect.  It'll be done today.  Ogra needed the SERVER_LANGS and SERVER_SESSIONS handling, so I did that first so he could carry on with the ldm enhancements.
[05:21] <imbrandon> hrm whom do i whine to about the planet.u.c ? 
[05:38] <Zdra> nvidia released driver 1.0-8774 with Xorg 7.1 support ! Does someone know when it will come into edgy ?
[05:39] <Burgwork> Zdra, fairly soon, because we need it
[05:40] <Zdra> Burgwork: yes that's why I ask, because I need it :-)
[05:41] <Burgwork> Zdra, all I can say is that it will happen. The developers are busy, so please don't bug them
[05:41] <Zdra> yes, thanks :D
[05:47] <elmo> librarian is back
[05:48] <elmo> and soyuz has been turned back on
[05:50] <lloydinho> wooh! DistroSprint is now officially over!
[05:51] <zul> already?
[05:54] <Kamion> the archive's healthier now than it was; sync requests will be dealt with upon Scott's/my return hoome
[05:54] <Kamion> home
[05:55] <bddebian> w000t
[05:55] <Kamion> it's Scott's archive day on Tuesday, thankfully. :)
[05:57] <Burgwork> Kamion, thanks for the schedule. Will make creating those Knot2/3 pages much easier
[06:03] <ogra> sbalneav, looks like pitti got it fixed
[06:04] <sbalneav> Which, the ltspfsd?
[06:04] <ogra> yes
[06:04] <sbalneav> whoot
[06:04] <ogra> i had done some work already ... but it simply exploded
[06:04] <sbalneav> I was just hacking on it now, but this is goot doo.
[06:04] <sbalneav> arg
[06:04] <sbalneav> good too
[06:05] <ogra> the calming part is that even pitti needed quite some time to get it working :)
[06:05] <pitti> yeah, friday afternoon blindness, sorry
[06:05] <sbalneav> Man, from "fine, also" to "german dog droppings" in one letter transposition.
[06:06] <sbalneav> ogra, pitti, if you could email me the diffs, and I'll upstream it.
[06:06] <ogra> sbalneav, will do 
[06:06] <sbalneav> that way you won't need to maintain a separate patch in the future.
[06:06] <sbalneav> ogra: did the infod stuff do what you want?
[06:08] <sbalneav> pitti: I owe you so many beers now, I'll just buy you a keg. :)
[06:08] <pitti> sbalneav: nevermind, this one was due to my paranoia
[06:08] <pitti> sorry for the trouble
[06:08] <pitti> but at least we can forget about it now
[06:08] <ogra> uploaded !!!
[06:09] <pitti> \o/
[06:09] <ogra> pitti, you didnt cause the trouble 
[06:09] <sbalneav> :D/-<
[06:09] <sbalneav> :D|-<
[06:09] <sbalneav> :D\-<
[06:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: nifty ;-)
[06:10] <ogra> i still dont understand why my word cant count for a missing fix and the packages *had* to be demoted ... even though it was clear the fix would come immediately
[06:10] <Keybuk> o|_|/
[06:10] <sbalneav> meh, no worries.  Rules is rules, we live within them.
[06:11] <ogra> well, it should be possible to make exceptions from rules based on trust ...
[06:11] <sbalneav> I was busy at work for the last few days, and I wanted to make sure you got the infod stuff so you could hack on LDM, I was going to patch up *fs on the weekend, wasn't aware we were so close to a knot dealine.
[06:12] <ogra> well, i didnt expect that it would be reverted ...
[06:12] <ogra> else i had told you that its urgent
[06:12] <sbalneav> Alls well that ends well. :)
[06:30] <Robot101> iwj, Kamion: any plans to come to the debian UK bbq this weekend?
[06:30] <Robot101> collabora are sponsoring to the tune of a firkin of Milton Pegasus, if that helps :)
[07:35] <AnAnt> I have a problem packaging a library (fsplib), it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. So I made fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*
[07:36] <AnAnt> yet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs ! anyone knows what may cause that ?
[08:27] <tuxi> hi
[08:33] <_ion> Argh.
[09:03] <pygi> I would need cdrecord expert, anyone ? :)
[09:37] <jdong> how is the dapper commercial repo handled through launchpad?
[09:37] <jdong> I got a user here requesting a newer version of opera via backports
[09:37] <jdong> and obviously I can't do that :)
[09:49] <pygi> jdong, no, you can't :P
[09:50] <jdong> I'd like to forward the request to the right person
[09:50] <jdong> because I'd like to see opera 9.01 in dapper-commercial too :)
[09:54] <LaserJock> jdong: you might ask mvo
[10:20] <fluxbuntu> hey everyone i have a question
[10:20] <fluxbuntu> there is a potential security threat in Ubuntu
[10:20] <fluxbuntu> when you go to create a user in Ubuntu
[10:20] <fluxbuntu> all fo the roles are checked
[10:21] <fluxbuntu> which means by default a newly created users has root access
[10:21] <fluxbuntu> of*
[10:21] <LaserJock> fluxbuntu: you can file a bug at http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[10:21] <LaserJock> fluxbuntu: this must be in edgy?
[10:21] <fluxbuntu> LAserJock DApper
[10:21] <LaserJock> hmm, it wasn't that way for me, and it isn't presently in edgy for me either
[10:22] <fluxbuntu> unless you all changed it in the latest update
[10:22] <pradeep_> fluxbuntu, System - Administration -> Users and Groups?
[10:22] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ yes
[10:22] <fluxbuntu> you should have to enable roles 
[10:23] <fluxbuntu> not deselect them
[10:23] <LaserJock> it looks ok to me
[10:23] <fluxbuntu> if someone just started using linux and created users all of them whould have root access or access to sudo
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> ahh
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> it has been fix
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> :)
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> before i did a fresh install of dapper
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> and all the roles were checked when i went to create a new user
[10:24] <fluxbuntu> i just updated
[10:25] <fluxbuntu> LaserJock pradeep_ nevermind
[10:25] <fluxbuntu> i guess that is why 6.0.6.1 was issued
[10:25] <LaserJock> heh, np
[10:25] <pygi> botox ^_^
[10:25] <pygi> When we'll get botox?:)
[10:25] <LaserJock> I think it must have been done before then though
[10:26] <fluxbuntu> laaserjock i went to create user accounts for my sisters on my ubuntu laptop
[10:26] <fluxbuntu> and had to deselect it otherwise they could do damage
[10:26] <pradeep_> i just checked and the new user doesn't have "System Administration Privileges" enabled by default
[10:26] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ have you updated?
[10:27] <fluxbuntu> or is it a clean install?
[10:27] <pradeep_> updated...
[10:27] <pradeep_> it'
[10:27] <pradeep_> you're saying the clean has it?
[10:28] <robertj> why did debian & ubuntu stop including webmin? Was it just because it never worked quite right?
[10:28] <fluxbuntu> i had to deselect it on my clean install
[10:29] <fluxbuntu> predeep_ otherwise my sisters whould have been able to use sudo
[10:29] <robertj> is there some other policy reason it got bumped?
[10:29] <fluxbuntu> has anyone else had or reported this?
[10:30] <pradeep_> fluxbuntu, this would have been filed as a part of release notes for 6.06.1 if it had been there
[10:30] <Burgwork> robertj, webmin is not installed by default
[10:30] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ hmm that is strange
[10:31] <robertj> Burgwork: it's totally removed from the repo isn't it?
[10:31] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ an isolated case? that is weird and it does not make since
[10:31] <Burgwork> robertj, webmin is ood and i think upstream is deaad
[10:31] <robertj> Burgwork: is their a recommended replacement?
[10:31] <pradeep_> fluxbuntu, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233444 FYI
[10:31] <Burgwork> fluxbuntu, pradeep_ by deafult, only the first user should have sudo rights. No other created users should have it, unless added to the admin gruop
[10:32] <pradeep_> yep
[10:32] <pradeep_> and that's the way it is
[10:32] <fluxbuntu> burgwork that is why i am saying this must be an isolated case
[10:32] <fluxbuntu> but that makes no sense if they are all the same iso
[10:33] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ are you busy?
[10:34] <pradeep_> well sleepy
[10:34] <fluxbuntu> oh ok
[10:37] <pradeep_> fluxbuntu, are you using fluxbuntu by any chance? Maybe THAT has this defect :P
[11:15] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ no
[11:15] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ i have not released fluxbuntu yet
[11:16] <fluxbuntu> pradeep_ there are not any defects with my operating system
[11:20] <fluxbuntu> LaserJock are you busy?
[11:22] <LaserJock> umm, sorta kinda, depends on what you want ;-)
[11:22] <fluxbuntu> oh ok nevermind then
[11:22] <fluxbuntu> are there any devs who are not busy?
[11:23] <pygi> fluxbuntu, what you broke? :)
[11:23] <fluxbuntu> pugi i did not break anything
[11:24] <LaserJock> fluxbuntu: it's better to just say it
[11:25] <fluxbuntu> LaserJock no i do not think so i do not want to bother anyone if they are busy
[11:25] <pygi> fluxbuntu, ok, what's the problem then? :)
[11:26] <exobuzz> what's the status of fonts with edgy? They now look more blurred, and bold fonts look too bold, and not well defined (using bitstream family).
[11:26] <exobuzz> i much prefered how they look in dapper.
[11:26] <fluxbuntu> i need a wiki or documentation or an outline if none exist on how to compile meta packages correctly
[11:27] <fluxbuntu> debian repository maintainer's docs do not help
[11:27] <fluxbuntu> since meta packages are different from regular ones as they draw from other packages
[11:29] <fluxbuntu> "compile" == build
[11:29] <LaserJock> fluxbuntu: check out the Ubuntu Packaging Guide on help.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <fluxbuntu> LaserJock it points to the debian guide
[11:30] <LaserJock> umm, but it isn't the same thing
[11:30] <LaserJock> also look at the source packages for existing meta packages
[11:31] <fluxbuntu> laserjock i have
[11:31] <fluxbuntu> the problem is with me is i need some sort of instructions to follow, just like with customizing a livecd
[11:31] <fluxbuntu> skip something and it is not going to work
[11:32] <LaserJock> well, we really can't provide that kind of thing easily
[11:32] <fluxbuntu> LaserJock
[11:32] <fluxbuntu> ok that is all i needed to know
[11:32] <fluxbuntu> thanks anyway
[11:32] <LaserJock> packaging isn't like cooking
[11:32] <LaserJock> in the sense of having a defined recipe to go by
[11:33] <LaserJock> we can teach you stuff though and if you read through the Packaging Guide you should have enough to make a meta package
[11:34] <LaserJock> also take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics