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[02:05] my kernel is getting pissed off [02:05] I keep doing dd if=/bin/cat of=/dev/{zero,null} [02:05] and it has random processes crash or random oopses happen as a reaction. [02:07] /dev/zero isn't for writing to [02:07] I noticed! :D [02:08] aww now dd just segfaults === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] It really shouldn't do that... [02:11] You're not meant to write to it, but it really shouldn't crash. [02:12] the kernel is allergic to /bin/cats, I guess. [02:12] It's a broken kernel of some description [02:12] I filed a bug, you figure it out. === Fujitsu dds urandom to /dev/zero. [02:13] I think it might take more than that [02:13] Not doing much, nor does cat. [02:13] mine crashed wine [02:13] the dd seemed to be the trigger; a second one (pointed at /dev/null) caused another oops but further just segfault dd [02:13] bluefoxicy: The oopses would be interesting [02:13] I suspect that something else has blown up at some earlier point [02:14] Whose kernel is this, and are you running any local patches? [02:14] bug 57642 mjg [02:14] Malone bug 57642 in linux-source-2.6.17 "kernel bug, you figure it out." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57642 [02:14] Sounds like a nasty kernel bug... [02:14] and full call trace I might add. [02:14] That's an utterly implausible failure [02:15] Looks like you've got heavy memory corruption [02:15] probably. [02:15] This is entirely the kernel we ship? [02:15] No local patches at all? [02:15] i'm FAR too lazy to roll my own [02:15] so yes it's yours :) [02:16] Dud RAM? [02:16] Fujitsu: curious, did dd segfault at all? [02:16] No. [02:16] Utterly unreproducible here [02:16] Fujitsu: I'm actually pretty stable [02:16] Not at all. [02:16] Run a memtest lately, bluefoxicy? [02:16] besides dd being a dumbass [02:16] no, but I will on next reboot. [02:16] OK, good... === bluefoxicy hits the repos for an update first. [02:16] 'cause I've just tried it on three machines, nothing happens. [02:17] Fujitsu: i'm thinking something else caused the problem and the kernel just freaked out at dd at random [02:17] could have been wine [02:18] Corrupting bits of kernel memory? I doubt it. [02:20] while true;do sudo dd if=/bin/cat of=/dev/zero bs=1 count=512; done did nothing here [02:21] Same, that's similar to what I did. === bluefoxicy shrugs [02:21] dmesg | grep BUG [02:21] i think its just memory corruption [02:21] it probably is, but the question is is it programmatic and if so why [02:22] because you did something weird? [02:22] well, I did nothing at kernel level === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] bluefoxicy: it would be considerably more helpful when you use descriptive summaries instead of "kernel bug, you figure it out." [02:23] crimsun: it would definitely be more helpful; however that's all I got [02:23] it's inobvious what the problem is and the kernel basically said exactly that [02:23] One possible summary could be "kernel oops while using dd on /dev/zero" [02:23] 20% done with updates, will reboot in a few minutes to pummel memory [02:24] keescook: I'm pretty sure it's not a /dev/zero bug [02:24] especially since nobody else can trigger it that way [02:24] But it's a start. [02:24] I did put that at the end of the report though. [02:24] bluefoxicy: maybe you're a special kind of zero [02:24] a super zero? [02:25] But in the summary is probably a better idea, as people look at the summary first. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] that being the purpose of a summary [02:29] summary: "see description for details" isn't a summary [02:33] goin' down === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === treitter [n=treitter@24-227-19-234-st.losaca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu is now known as Fujitsu_ === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.144.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] Heya folks === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@221.221.154.108] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] memtest did a full pass, says I'm fine [03:17] That's debatable :-) [03:22] YES! 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[07:49] my IP address is obtained from a DHCP server (LAN) [07:49] /etc/hosts ? [07:49] but it doesn't get the host name === nags checking [07:50] Sp4rKy, but with dynamic IP how can I set the host name ? I mean in /ect/hosts we need to specify the IP address also, right ? [07:51] i'm not sure [07:51] hmmm [07:51] can somebody help me ? [07:51] try setting youhostname with 127.0.0.1 ip on the same line === freet15 [n=freet15@221.221.165.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] 127.0.0.1 localhost [07:52] 127.0.1.1 cthulhu.0c3.net cthulhu [07:52] (for example) [07:52] Sp4rKy, ya tried, but no luck [07:52] &:/ [07:52] yes [07:52] infinity, 127.0.1.1 ? anyways let me try... [07:53] nags: If you just mean you want the system to have the correct hostname (ie: according to the kernel), that goes in /etc/hostname (but that's just the short host name, not the FQDN) [07:53] infinity, okay [07:53] infinity, even after setting the host name is not resolvable... [07:54] nags: If you mean you want domain resolution to work, but DHCP isn't sending you a useful domain name, try editing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to add sometihng like: append domain-name " 0c3.net"; [07:54] infinity, let me try it now.. [07:54] (or: s/append/supersede/, if you don't want the domain name sent by your ISP to be used at all) [07:56] infinity, okay [07:56] infinity, I could see something like this #send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; [07:56] infinity, shall I make it to my host name ? [07:56] That sends a hostname to the DHCP server, not the other way around. [07:57] Useful if you have a DHCP server that asiigns IPs based on hostname. [07:57] infinity, ah ! okay === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] infinity, I get something like this ' I get nags.blr.dell.com does not exist (Authoritative answer) [08:14] Err, using what? [08:15] Utilities like "host" or "nslookup" will be querying your DNS server. No amount of messing on your local machine will magically get a DNS record in your DNS server. [08:15] infinity, host [08:16] Yeah, "host" does a DNS query. It's not a local resolver lookup. [08:17] imbrandon, okay [08:17] And at this point, I think we've wandered so far into "off-topic support" that if you have further questions, you should probably take it to #ubuntu [08:17] ah ! sorry tab filling [08:17] infinity, :) === imbrandon looks up [08:19] imbrandon, apologize, in tab filling I just typed i [08:19] heh np ;) === Zdra [n=zdra@253.218-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] moins infinity [08:19] ;) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] "Who maintains RPM?" ... LWN has become The Register! === TomB [n=tomb@ACD50732.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] Keybuk: pong [08:27] lifeless: I ping'd ? [08:27] you wanted to arrange a time to chat [08:27] now is good for me [08:27] can it wait until I've had more coffee [08:27] like, err, some [08:27] sure. I've got about a 60minute window === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-56-223.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] hopefully Mark won't pop in again and do his "guys, can you close your laptops" thing again [08:29] Haha. === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] Keybuk: what did he want we he asked you to close your laptops? [08:37] attention [08:37] lifeless: umm, isn't that what he pays over 100 people for? === Keybuk cries [08:39] the udev rules file format changed again [08:39] over 100 ? [08:40] lifeless: canonical + hbd + foundation [08:40] hbd? [08:40] they are very different things [08:40] yes, but they are all extensions of Mark [08:41] mmm, I'm not!. I'm an individual. [08:42] lifeless: not since you have been sucked into the Canonical mothership ;) === Spads [n=crack@host-84-9-51-34.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hey Burgundavia === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] haha [08:51] StoneTable: greetings adam [08:51] Recovered from san fran? [08:51] mostly [08:51] The jet lag killed me [08:51] apparently I allowed myself to get video taped there [08:51] check the top of ubuntuvideo [08:51] hah, yeah [08:52] nice === bmon [n=monnahan@81.Red-83-49-123.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.221.165.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] Burgundavia: heh yea i've eather gonna have to come to ubucon next year and/or "edumicate" you on kubuntu ;) [09:10] either* jez [09:10] imbrandon: why is that? [09:10] just teasin you about the lack of kubuntu info when someone ask about adept ;) [09:11] right [09:11] thats all , just rasin ya a bit ;) [09:11] that KDE guy was the worst [09:11] he grilled me later on KDE support [09:11] grilled Jane on it [09:11] lol [09:11] he was very agressive about it. As if, if we answered wrong, he was going to be very annoyed [09:11] about what ? just support questions ? [09:11] how much does Ubuntu/Canonical support KDE [09:11] hahah yea i hate that === lloydinho [n=andreas@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] they he got poor Chris Kenyon, who has only used Linux for 3 months [09:12] heh yea i'm definately gonna have to come be the token kde guy next year ( since Riddell most likely wont make it to the US );) [09:12] heh [09:12] He stood up during whiprush's talk and started questioning the ltsp guys [09:13] damn thats rude === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] They finally told him to shut up and sit down [09:13] i only watched the first 10 minutes or so, i'll catch the rest later [09:14] looks like it was a great talk over all though [09:14] other than obvious idiots ;) === mvo [n=egon@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] it is too bad, because all he did was give KDE a bad name [09:14] very true [09:15] right near the end is when we asks chris about KDE support [09:15] ;P chris == ? [09:15] i must not know him very well [09:16] is he the guy on the ubuntuos podcast >? [09:16] chris kenyon, don't know if he hangs out on irc. Canonicals marketing guy [09:16] great people, but zero Linux expereince [09:16] ahh [09:16] heh ;) [09:16] heh [09:17] and people make that mistake alot asking devs about marketing or marketing about tech stuff and expect a great answer [09:17] Then why did they hire Chris? [09:17] because you hire good people and then train them [09:17] Linux is a skill you can learn [09:18] being a good marketing person is not' [09:18] gnux123: you dont have to be an expert tech to be a good marketing guy , i doubt the windows marketing team can code c++ ( i'm sure there are exceptions but overall ) === mdz [n=mdz@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] Thankz for the info [09:18] for instance, in my office of all sales and marketing, we have 1 linux guy (that would be me), 1 ex linux guy and 3 complete neophytes [09:19] Burgundavia: exactly there is a diffrence between a learned skill and a natual ability , marketing is more the natural thing moreso [09:19] indeed [09:19] natural* === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] now dont get me wrong a natural can always "learn" his skill better but you know what i mean === seb128 [n=seb@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] you guys are talking about "marketing" as if it's one thing, a single skill [09:20] looks like the world is wakin up, moins seb128 jdub dholbach mdz [09:20] jdub: true , it is MANY facets [09:21] wireless network has awakened [09:21] Burgundavia: I disagree [09:21] the ability to use a computer maybe [09:21] HrdwrBoB: we will have to disagree another time, because I am about to crash and the canonical people kind of need this channel to do minor things like develop Ubuntu [09:22] yeah [09:22] hi imbrandon jdub [09:22] hey seb128 === jdub hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs jdub [09:23] seb128: how's wiesbaden hackery? [09:23] good [09:23] hey jdub [09:23] dholbach forgot to put the alarm clock this morning [09:23] :) [09:23] but mdz phoned us, so that's alright ;) [09:23] surprising that you were only 9 minutes left [09:23] ah [09:23] lucky [09:23] that nine am smackdown sizzles ;) [09:24] no need of a clock when you have mdz around apparently ;) [09:24] jdub: 11:30am sharp [09:24] when I call, you are already TOO LATE. [09:24] jdub: out of that pretty good [09:24] DOH [09:25] seb128: ah, that explains why your t-shirt is on back to front [09:25] seb128: I *put* it, I just seem to have turned it off while sleeping again [09:25] ...what's funny is you checked === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] Keybuk: you have too much time... too much time to make fun of seb128 === ogra [n=ogra@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] Keybuk: wiesbaden is 11:30am sharp?! things going soft now? [09:26] jdub: rather, brains going liquid [09:26] jdub: mdz was apparently losing confidence that he'd be up himself as the night got later === doko [n=doko@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] ssh [09:27] he's here === olemke [n=olemke@p54895A78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] o/~ I'm going to kill Kay Sievers [09:27] jdub: those german people have "schnaps" ... doesn't make easy to wake up before 9am [09:28] but did you have a transexual for mdz to sing with? [09:28] there is really good schnaps in germany, thats for sure! [09:28] I think mdz had the better voice, tho [09:28] jdub: seb needed to catch up from last conference's Schnaps deprivation === jdub had a small taste of butterscotch schnaps a few nights ago, sent brain reeling back to theatre in high school and university. scary flashbacks. === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] ohh jdub OT i was gonna tell you i grabed your mugshot packages and updated it to the latest version and compiled debs for dapper/edgy if your interested === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] imbrandon: cool [09:32] jdub: http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/edgy/extras/ s/edgy/dapper/g if you wanna grab it [09:32] imbrandon: mail me a deb-src line whenever you have the oppportunity [09:32] kk will do [09:33] jdub@ubuntu.com or ...... [09:33] jeff.waugh [09:34] maybe jdub works too [09:34] imbrandon: upload to the archive! :) [09:34] i dunno [09:34] dholbach: it's kind of not useful in the archive [09:34] jdub: aha? [09:34] dholbach: you realy need an mugshot invite [09:34] to actualy use it [09:34] hm [09:34] I never uinderstood mugshot anyway === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] 'There are 137 direct members of the "Ubuntu BugSquad" team'! [09:35] sfllaw: ^ [09:35] dholbach: the client is updated often enough that having an old version shipping in edgy would be kind of bong [09:36] jdub: sent, should arrive any min [09:36] thanks === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] yea if they ever stableize it ( as in not change ever few weeks heh ) then it might be ok to upload ;) [09:38] dholbach: ^ [09:38] hey all [09:39] heya Hobbsee [09:39] hey imbrandon [09:39] amarok uped to archive Hobbsee [09:39] imbrandon: yay :) [09:39] it even works now, too [09:39] imbrandon: have you requested backports, etc, for it yet? [09:40] it cant be backported just yet, becouse of libvisual and ummm one more lib [09:40] libtinepimp3 [09:40] tunepimp3* [09:41] but i'll check it out later today when riddell wakes and see if we can get all 3 backported since those are trivial libs only amarok uses [09:41] imbrandon: tru ehtat. [09:41] sladen: [09:41] http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimliair.jpg [09:42] http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] Keybuk: been there, lived there, really not much to see === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] morning [09:50] Burgundavia: hmm? [09:50] hi sivang === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] imbrandon: hmm? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang hugs pitti === Hobbsee waves to sivang and pitti [09:54] (and Riddell ) [09:54] hi Hobbsee [09:55] hey Hobbsee ! [09:55] and Riddell [09:55] heya Riddell === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] Keybuk: I have lived in Gimli and been to that airport. It is as truly desolate as it is made out to be === lukketto [n=lukketto@host156-134.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Burgundavia: right, but that wasn't what the links were about === mdz_ [n=mdz@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@214.Red-88-0-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.7.48.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@82.109.136.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@214.Red-88-0-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.65.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@80.Red-83-50-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] Kamion: what were those success/failure rate for xorg...10.3 on the laptops here? [11:29] Burgundavia: ahhh, much like "Hahn". 30km through rolling countryside to the nearest railway station [11:31] sladen: about 50/50 on the machines mdz_ tested, iirc. [11:32] Mithrandir: ta. Would be handy to say 6 passed, 7 failed if anyone remembers better === jcsmith [n=jcsmith@wv-morgantown-cdnt1-bg1-4c-104.mgtnwv.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc69.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] so, err, where *does* the TERM variable come from? [11:42] I have a nasty feeling the only reason it happens to get set with sysvinit is that /bin/sh does it [11:42] and that /etc/init.d/rc is written in shell [11:43] actually, no, that wouldn't explain why it doesn't get set for upstart [11:43] maybe the kernel sets it [11:44] Keybuk: I thought you passed the terminal type to getty explictly === mdz__ [n=mdz@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] need to reboot with init=/usr/bin/env and see what's in that === doko_ [n=doko@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] Keybuk: eg. grep '^.*T.*vt100' /etc/inittab === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] Keybuk: :) [11:46] Keybuk: that's my bug report [11:47] keybuk: [term] The value to be used for the TERM environment variable. This overrides whatever init(8) may have set, === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:47] sladen: 6/9 failures [11:47] sladen: those are just for serial lines [11:48] I suspect it just inherits the default variable from the kernel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host49-192.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen torments Keybuk [11:51] Keybuk: the serial lines probably have to overide whatever the compile default is === mvo [n=egon@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@vipnet13-166.mobile.CARNet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ is now known as ivoks === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-51.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] pitti: apport doesn't seem to preserve command line arguments when respawning applications, is that right? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] tollef: you rock :) [12:40] Gloubiboulga: could you seed xfce4-notes-plugin and xfce4-smartbookmarks-plugin somewhere? [12:40] er smartbookmark [12:40] Kamion: 6 failure, 3 success === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] sladen: about the libx11 thingy or something else? [12:42] Mithrandir: yup, that (although you rock anyway, of course :) [12:43] sladen: thanks. :-.) === ogra [n=ogra@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-237.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=crack@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Guf0 [n=dan@host233-109-static.187-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] Hi, just a simple question: I have the live cds sent me by Canonical and I'd like to do a "server-install", do you think is it possible? I don't want use the live cd. [12:54] Guf0: not really, sorry; the only way to do that would be to install the live CD and then remove everything desktopish [12:55] thanks for the hard work, whoever cleaned up NEW [12:55] Kamion, well, when I install ubuntu there is a line where is listened all the features to pass at the boot. Maybe there is something there. Later I'll test, because I haven't a cd to burn the real server-install iso :) [12:56] tseng: no problem [12:56] Guf0: take it from me, nothing on the live CD will give you a server install out of the box === seb128 [n=seb@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] ok :) [12:57] oh, this is weird [01:01] Kamion: thanks for genius in the archive! :) [01:02] np === jono [n=jono@mail.openadvantage.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] hey === doko_ [n=doko@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] hi jono === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACCE3852.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8ED6F1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ is now known as zul === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@m015f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@AC8ED6F1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-251-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.134.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] oh, wow, so this code is like, totally wrong [01:57] ... dude [02:00] <_ion> keybuk: What code? === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] *thus* code [02:00] uh this === Keybuk blames the frenetic Strudelling he received at lunch [02:02] strudel.harder.more.more.more [02:03] Keybuk: coming to camby this weekend? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] robtaylor: Tonio_ of course! [02:07] uh [02:07] s/Tonio_// [02:08] :) === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] Keybuk: woo! === kbyrd [n=Miranda@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] when will the main freeze for knot2 start? === ogra [n=ogra@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.252.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] slomo: monday (I believe) [02:47] slomo: why is libdbus-qt only 0.62? [02:47] Riddell: you mean 0.62.git.bla? because there wasn't a new release yet [02:48] slomo: any idea why that is? surely they're all released by the same person? === ivoks [n=ivoks@vipnet34-166.mobile.CARNet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] Riddell: nope, all parts have a different maintainer [02:50] i guess because they're either not ready yet or because they put all work in the qt4 bindings [02:50] sjoerd, do you have an idea why qt bindings have no release yet? [02:51] I suspect there may not be a maintainer at all for qt3 bindings [02:51] then it's the same as for the c# bindings since ages :/ [02:51] slomo: so I didn't realise that it was a new ABI and I was just testing against the old dbus libraries which were still installed [02:52] now compiling stuff against dbus soname 3 === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] thanks [02:52] slomo: because the qt3 stuff is totally unsupported :) === dholbach_ [n=daniel@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione_ [n=fabbione@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] sjoerd: nice ;) === pitti_ [n=pitti@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] slomo: fedora/redhat put the apps that needed qt3 dbus stuff inside the app packages themselves, so they wouldn't need a new dbus-qt3 package ;( [02:53] hi sjoerd === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] sjoerd: some c# packages are doing the same upstream now :/ ugly as hell... at least some people are now working on new better ones [02:54] yup [02:54] pitti: morning ;) [02:54] hi pitti :) === Spads [n=crack@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] sjoerd: it's already afternoon :) === pitti hugs slomo === slomo hugs pitti [03:00] jdub: around? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-231.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@BSN-77-135-17.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] mdz: and for mere mortals too? [03:15] http://www.kde-files.org/content/files/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-6.8.2.png === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@200.113.154.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@m015f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [i=seb@conference/ubuntu/x-d435ea556392376a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@82.109.136.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towolf [n=towolf@p85.212.154.33.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fluxbuntu [n=joejaxx@unaffiliated/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] o/~ The coffee man can [03:40] o/~ Because he puts it in a cup and makes the world taste good === geser [n=michael@85.25.104.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] I found a problematic interaction between compiz and gucharmap (no char magnification popup window). Do I file the bug for the former, the latter, or upstream only? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] iwj: any reason you changed the firefox user-agent string to be "Ubuntu-edgy" instead of "Ubuntu/edgy" (it used to be "Ubuntu/dapper")? epiphany upstream is asking === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@239.211-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] seb128: No particular reason, no, but the rest of the user agent string changed lots (eg to make it have gecko in again). [04:03] Is it a problem ? [04:07] iwj: rfc2068 (and the mozilla U-A spec) kinda suggests you should be using / to seperate product and version, but i can't see that it matters much === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] iwj: don't think it's a problem, just an unexpected / unnecessary change :) [04:10] iwj: apparently it's no problem, he was just wondering "why" === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D834F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty_ [n=jinty@19.Red-83-50-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] Morning folks === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.134.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iriya [n=iriya@p4054-ipbfp03tokusinwcc.tokushima.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] Is there anyone? [04:30] iriya: no :) [04:30] Hi! [04:31] fabbione: ya know, instead of playing bug tennis you could just ask me [04:31] that's definitely not a udev bug === ZeronenoreZ [n=noodlebl@61.134.11.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] Keybuk: isn't udev that handles the transition to UUID with volemid pkg? [04:32] Keybuk: i am not sure yet and i won't for about 2 weeks (since i am going in holidays) what's at fault and why [04:32] Keybuk: i added a comment that it was probably a good idea to wait to transition raid [04:32] Keybuk: and reassigned to udev === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] Can I ask some questions? [04:34] fabbione: no [04:34] ok [04:34] Keybuk: no what? [04:34] it's nothing to do with udev [04:34] mdstat fails [04:34] and you did not add a comment [04:35] you just played bug tennis [04:35] i did add a comment... [04:35] i am damn sure about it [04:35] if mdstat fails, then you know more than i do to get it fixed. [04:35] i don't have the setup here to test/fix [04:35] if mdstat fails, and our raid expert refuses to help, I'm going to suggest we unseed it [04:35] and move raid to unsupported [04:35] and universe [04:36] Keybuk: i didn' t refuse to help.. read above [04:36] i am going in vacation for 2 weeks [04:36] mdke: around for a moment [04:36] and i don't have the setup to test/fix it here [04:36] you could say tha ton the bug [04:36] Keybuk: i did write a mail about my vacation [04:36] that i was trying to keep less public [04:36]