| nixternal | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/sunfire?highlight=%28GNU%29 | 12:22 |
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| nixternal | ^^ who writes these articles? | 12:22 |
| nixternal | the only thing on ubuntu.com that has anything to do with GNU/Linux is news related, otherwise it is null everywhere esle | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | I can tell you who wrote that in a second | 12:24 |
| Burgwork | Henrik wrote that | 12:25 |
| nixternal | ahh..well he is the only person in all of Ubuntu land to have the GNU/Linux label | 12:33 |
| nixternal | otherwise, it is Ubuntu and if you want to include Linux the way I see everywhere on the intarweb is (Linux-based operating system) | 12:33 |
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| nixternal | you are a fast sleeper there rob | 12:34 |
| nixternal | and oh, btw, it is yet to become 'morrow' ;) | 12:34 |
| rob | efficient | 12:35 |
| rob | :) | 12:35 |
| rob | it is for me, I just really woke up and am sipping a coffee | 12:42 |
| Burgwork | hey rob | 12:58 |
| rob | hi Burgwork | 12:58 |
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| poningru | youknowthekeyboardshortcutsdontchangeinedgyunlessyouturnoffX | 02:47 |
| poningru | errrestartX | 02:47 |
| poningru | andyeslikeanidiotImappedspacetomystart/pause | 02:48 |
| poningru | thekeyboardshortuctguishouldsaythat... | 02:48 |
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| === poningru should probaby report that bug | ||
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| nixternal | https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/introduction.html | 05:05 |
| nixternal | the ToC, does it just look kind of out of place, hard to follow a little bit? | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | yep | 05:06 |
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| LaserJock | it's a little weird having 3 top level items | 05:07 |
| nixternal | there are 5 ways to find support/help or something about it | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | and then having the 1st have like 9 items | 05:07 |
| nixternal | ya, the 3 levels as well...getting kubuntu looks out of place | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | I think I would have just kept the top level | 05:08 |
| nixternal | i wish robotgeek was around..he has been working on the new one, and asked for my help with splitting the guide...i haven't heard nor seen him in a week now | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | but I don't know if that's possible | 05:08 |
| nixternal | Well, I can see the "About" section, and then a "Support" or "Help" section | 05:09 |
| nixternal | There are 2 references to support in the current "About" section | 05:09 |
| nixternal | those could be moved to a support/help section, making the top part a little smaller | 05:09 |
| nixternal | What is Linux and What is GNU could be merged into a "History of Linux" or "History of GNU/Linux" | 05:10 |
| nixternal | heh, and in the GNU section, it doesn't give the recurrsive acronym info which makes it GNU and fun | 05:11 |
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| LaserJock | :-) | 05:14 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: we need to create a common doc for all that stuff | 05:22 |
| nixternal | for like the Linux, GNU, Support right? | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 05:39 |
| nixternal | cool..i will come up with a little something if the interest is there | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | go nuts | 05:41 |
| nixternal | heh, thats easy ;) | 05:44 |
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| bhuvan | wow, we are the first ubuntu team to receive commit notification in #commits channel! | 06:11 |
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| nixternal | Burgundavia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21617 <- something sorted along the lines of this? | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: yes, and mako wrote basically that for the official ubuntu book | 06:41 |
| nixternal | heh, im still waiting for my copy to arrive | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | we should be able to get a electronic copy | 06:41 |
| nixternal | true.. | 06:41 |
| nixternal | hell, if mako broke it down already, im sure he wouldn't mind us borrowing it for docs | 06:42 |
| Burgundavia | it is already under the CCbysa | 06:42 |
| Burgundavia | and besides, canonical owns the copyright to the entgire book | 06:43 |
| nixternal | ok..i will put that on hold then, since our idea follows something already created..no need to double the work | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 06:44 |
| nixternal | hiya jsgotangco! | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | what's this TOC about? | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: a generic about ubuntu/the progject/linux/gnu page | 06:45 |
| jsgotangco | that's a pretty long page for an about page ;)# | 06:45 |
| nixternal | a one stop shop instead of an introduction.xml in every tree | 06:45 |
| nixternal | that can definitely be made smaller, especially the projects portion | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: think makos chapter in the bookj | 06:46 |
| nixternal | as well as support maybe | 06:46 |
| nixternal | it can be broken down into "History", "Projects", and "Support" | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: you were a little over zealous with your removal. I will now be in town to teach package management | 07:20 |
| nixternal | doh | 07:21 |
| nixternal | i don't think i will be in town now ;) | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | what days work for you? | 07:21 |
| nixternal | well..i will be in town, but afk | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:21 |
| nixternal | i know october == mexico for sure | 07:22 |
| nixternal | september == school, and i am helping with a friend launch a new business | 07:22 |
| nixternal | my saturdays and sundays, in the words of jsgotangco, won't be fun ;( | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | wow corey teaching packaging that's something new | 07:23 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: this is the commandline. You will love it! | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | packaging is ok, preseeding is much fun | 07:24 |
| Burgundavia | I plan on teaching gai and synaptic | 07:25 |
| Burgundavia | and saner ways of looking | 07:25 |
| jsgotangco | oh you meant installing managing packages, not creating them from scratch | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 07:33 |
| tonyyarusso | Speaking of packaging, I was told to read the Debian new maintainers guide some time; where is it? (I thought it might be on the system hiding somewhere, but am not sure.) | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | if you are interested in packaging, save your sanity and read Laserjock's packaging guide first | 07:35 |
| tonyyarusso | Link? | 07:36 |
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| Burgundavia | on your system | 07:37 |
| jsgotangco | its in the Help system | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | although the Debian guid is the in-depth guide | 07:39 |
| tonyyarusso | Okay. | 07:39 |
| nixternal | i would recommend at least skimming the deb guide first...and don't skim the ubuntu guide, as it will reak havoc | 07:43 |
| tonyyarusso | Why's that? | 07:44 |
| nixternal | well, the deb guide, like Burgundavia said is very in-depth, but it has some things that will help you i think with debuilder and what not...as for the ubuntu version...it is nice and compact | 07:45 |
| crimsun | this version of the UPG is designed for linear progression | 07:45 |
| nixternal | oh ya, and crimsun said i should read the debian guide first a while back..i kind of listened | 07:45 |
| crimsun | that was probably bad advice. | 07:46 |
| crimsun | you should really read them in parallel | 07:46 |
| nixternal | you might have told me that actually, i skimmed one and read the other ;) | 07:47 |
| crimsun | (sometimes I forget what it's like not to have read it) | 07:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Is UPG == Laserjock's? | 07:48 |
| crimsun | the Ubuntu Packaging Guide | 07:48 |
| crimsun | (yes) | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | mostly yes | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | but he led its development | 07:49 |
| tonyyarusso | Just clarifying. | 07:50 |
| tonyyarusso | Okay, meanwhile, back partially to the original question, where is the deb guide? (Need offline viewable version) | 07:50 |
| crimsun | the 'debian-policy' and 'maint-guide' packages. | 07:53 |
| crimsun | there are translations. | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | for great justice | 07:53 |
| crimsun | for Python policy, the WIP of the spec is at http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/manoj-policy/ | 07:54 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: Thanks. | 07:55 |
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| lloydinho | nixternal, thanks for the comments on the Contribute doc. Do you mind if I reply to the comments on the list? | 09:29 |
| lloydinho | That way everybody can join the discussion. | 09:29 |
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| onkarshinde | I wasn't sure where to suggest this change. The wiki page for EdgyKnot2 says, 'GNOME 2.15 rc1' (heading), while the description says 2,16 beta 2 | 03:59 |
| lloydinho | hi onkarshinde, well spotted. After asking seb128, the Ubuntu GNOME maintainer, I updated the wiki page. | 04:33 |
| lloydinho | For future reference, when it comes to release documents like this, it's best to ask on ubuntu-devel. | 04:35 |
| lloydinho | But thanks for your vigilance :-) | 04:35 |
| onkarshinde | lloydinho: After reporting here, I found that Corey has given his mail address for suggestions/comments. But I avoided a mail for this small issue. Anyway, release notes get reviewed many times. So this would be caught someway. | 04:39 |
| lloydinho | onkarshinde, cool. Well, then that's settled. I'm sure that if it is an easy fix, you can make the change yourself as long as you note it in the wiki page changelog. | 04:41 |
| onkarshinde | lloydinho: Ok. :-) | 04:42 |
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| nixternal | lloydinho: if you are still around, and haven't done so already, reply away to the comments! ;) | 05:05 |
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| lloydinho | nixternal, cool. It's sent to the list. | 05:14 |
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| Burgwork | lloydinho, the difference is becuase I could not remember | 05:34 |
| lloydinho | Burgwork, It's cool. I had no idea myself until I asked seb. :-) | 05:36 |
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| LaserJock | heh, "Ubuntu's sister flavours" | 06:41 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, what is that from? | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | Andreas' contributing wiki page | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | he replaced "derivatives" | 06:42 |
| Burgwork | right | 06:42 |
| Burgwork | partner projects in the term we shoud be using | 06:42 |
| Burgwork | derivatives for non-partners | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | in his email he said he was talking with Kamion about it | 06:43 |
| Burgwork | the website and everything else calls it partner projects | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | and it sounds like they are working on "offical" terminology | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, partner projects seems a little distant to me | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | better than derivative for sure | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I like flavor but maybe that's just me | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | as I think it is important to keep in mind that they all come from the same repositories | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | or is that "channels" now ;-) | 06:44 |
| Burgwork | projects makes it clear they are seperate | 06:45 |
| Burgwork | and partner sounds fluffy and nice | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess it depends on how you look at it | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | glass half-full kinda thing | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | I feel like the are more connected then seperate | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | but that might be because of my de neutrality ;-) | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | anyway, "Ubuntu's sister flavours" just sounds wrong | 06:48 |
| Burgwork | can I taste the women on the warty artwork? ;) | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:49 |
| poningru | rofl | 06:55 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/08/crossing-ubucon.html | 11:11 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, leslie emailled me | 11:13 |
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