[12:22] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/sunfire?highlight=%28GNU%29
[12:22] <nixternal> ^^ who writes these articles?
[12:22] <nixternal> the only thing on ubuntu.com that has anything to do with GNU/Linux is news related, otherwise it is null everywhere esle
[12:24] <Burgwork> I can tell you who wrote that in a second
[12:25] <Burgwork> Henrik wrote that
[12:33] <nixternal> ahh..well he is the only person in all of Ubuntu land to have the GNU/Linux label
[12:33] <nixternal> otherwise, it is Ubuntu and if you want to include Linux the way I see everywhere on the intarweb is (Linux-based operating system)
[12:34] <nixternal> you are a fast sleeper there rob
[12:34] <nixternal> and oh, btw, it is yet to become 'morrow' ;)
[12:35] <rob> efficient
[12:35] <rob> :)
[12:42] <rob> it is for me, I just really woke up and am sipping a coffee
[12:58] <Burgwork> hey rob 
[12:58] <rob> hi Burgwork 
[02:47] <poningru> youknowthekeyboardshortcutsdontchangeinedgyunlessyouturnoffX
[02:47] <poningru> errrestartX
[02:48] <poningru> andyeslikeanidiotImappedspacetomystart/pause
[02:48] <poningru> thekeyboardshortuctguishouldsaythat...
[05:05] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/introduction.html
[05:05] <nixternal> the ToC, does it just look kind of out of place, hard to follow a little bit?
[05:06] <LaserJock> yep
[05:07] <LaserJock> it's a little weird having 3 top level items
[05:07] <nixternal> there are 5 ways to find support/help or something about it
[05:07] <LaserJock> and then having the 1st have like 9 items
[05:07] <nixternal> ya, the 3 levels as well...getting kubuntu looks out of place
[05:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:08] <LaserJock> I think I would have just kept the top level
[05:08] <nixternal> i wish robotgeek was around..he has been working on the new one, and asked for my help with splitting the guide...i haven't heard nor seen him in a week now
[05:08] <LaserJock> but I don't know if that's possible
[05:09] <nixternal> Well, I can see the "About" section, and then a "Support" or "Help" section
[05:09] <nixternal> There are 2 references to support in the current "About" section
[05:09] <nixternal> those could be moved to a support/help section, making the top part a little smaller
[05:10] <nixternal> What is Linux and What is GNU could be merged into a "History of Linux" or "History of GNU/Linux"
[05:11] <nixternal> heh, and in the GNU section, it doesn't give the recurrsive acronym info which makes it GNU and fun
[05:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:15] <nixternal> hehe
[05:22] <Burgundavia> nixternal: we need to create a common doc for all that stuff
[05:38] <nixternal> for like the Linux, GNU, Support right?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:39] <nixternal> cool..i will come up with a little something if the interest is there
[05:41] <Burgundavia> go nuts
[05:44] <nixternal> heh, thats easy ;)
[06:11] <bhuvan> wow, we are the first ubuntu team to receive commit notification in #commits channel!
[06:40] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21617    <- something sorted along the lines of this?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> nixternal: yes, and mako wrote basically that for the official ubuntu book
[06:41] <nixternal> heh, im still waiting for my copy to arrive
[06:41] <Burgundavia> we should be able to get a electronic copy
[06:41] <nixternal> true..
[06:42] <nixternal> hell, if mako broke it down already, im sure he wouldn't mind us borrowing it for docs
[06:42] <Burgundavia> it is already under the CCbysa
[06:43] <Burgundavia> and besides, canonical owns the copyright to the entgire book
[06:44] <nixternal> ok..i will put that on hold then, since our idea follows something already created..no need to double the work
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:44] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[06:44] <jsgotangco> what's this TOC about?
[06:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: a generic about ubuntu/the progject/linux/gnu page
[06:45] <jsgotangco> that's a pretty long page for an about page ;)#
[06:45] <nixternal> a one stop shop instead of an introduction.xml in every tree
[06:46] <nixternal> that can definitely be made smaller, especially the projects portion
[06:46] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: think makos chapter in the bookj
[06:46] <nixternal> as well as support maybe
[06:47] <nixternal> it can be broken down into "History", "Projects", and "Support"
[07:20] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you were a little over zealous with your removal. I will now be in town to teach package management
[07:21] <nixternal> doh
[07:21] <nixternal> i don't think i will be in town now ;)
[07:21] <Burgundavia> what days work for you?
[07:21] <nixternal> well..i will be in town, but afk
[07:21] <Burgundavia> right
[07:22] <nixternal> i know october == mexico for sure
[07:22] <nixternal> september == school, and i am helping with a friend launch a new business
[07:22] <nixternal> my saturdays and sundays, in the words of jsgotangco, won't be fun ;(
[07:23] <jsgotangco> wow corey teaching packaging that's something new
[07:23] <nixternal> hehe
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: this is the commandline. You will love it!
[07:24] <jsgotangco> packaging is ok, preseeding is much fun
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I plan on teaching gai and synaptic
[07:25] <Burgundavia> and saner ways of looking
[07:29] <jsgotangco> oh you meant installing managing packages, not creating them from scratch
[07:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> Speaking of packaging, I was told to read the Debian new maintainers guide some time; where is it?  (I thought it might be on the system hiding somewhere, but am not sure.)
[07:35] <Burgundavia> if you are interested in packaging, save your sanity and read Laserjock's packaging guide first
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> Link?
[07:37] <Burgundavia> on your system
[07:39] <jsgotangco> its in the Help system
[07:39] <jsgotangco> although the Debian guid is the in-depth  guide
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> Okay.
[07:43] <nixternal> i would recommend at least skimming the deb guide first...and don't skim the ubuntu guide, as it will reak havoc
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Why's that?
[07:45] <nixternal> well, the deb guide, like Burgundavia said is very in-depth, but it has some things that will help you i think with debuilder and what not...as for the ubuntu version...it is nice and compact
[07:45] <crimsun> this version of the UPG is designed for linear progression
[07:45] <nixternal> oh ya, and crimsun said i should read the debian guide first a while back..i kind of listened
[07:46] <crimsun> that was probably bad advice.
[07:46] <crimsun> you should really read them in parallel
[07:47] <nixternal> you might have told me that actually, i skimmed one and read the other ;)
[07:47] <crimsun> (sometimes I forget what it's like not to have read it)
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> Is UPG == Laserjock's?
[07:48] <crimsun> the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[07:48] <crimsun> (yes)
[07:48] <jsgotangco> mostly yes
[07:49] <jsgotangco> but he led its development
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Just clarifying.
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Okay, meanwhile, back partially to the original question, where is the deb guide?  (Need offline viewable version)
[07:53] <crimsun> the 'debian-policy' and 'maint-guide' packages.
[07:53] <crimsun> there are translations.
[07:53] <jsgotangco> for great justice
[07:54] <crimsun> for Python policy, the WIP of the spec is at http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/manoj-policy/
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Thanks.
[09:29] <lloydinho> nixternal, thanks for the comments on the Contribute doc. Do you mind if I reply to the comments on the list?
[09:29] <lloydinho> That way everybody can join the discussion.
[03:59] <onkarshinde> I wasn't sure where to suggest this change. The wiki page for EdgyKnot2 says, 'GNOME 2.15 rc1' (heading), while the description says 2,16 beta 2
[04:33] <lloydinho> hi onkarshinde, well spotted. After asking seb128, the Ubuntu GNOME maintainer, I updated the wiki page.
[04:35] <lloydinho> For future reference, when it comes to release documents like this, it's best to ask on ubuntu-devel.
[04:35] <lloydinho> But thanks for your vigilance :-)
[04:39] <onkarshinde> lloydinho: After reporting here, I found that Corey has given his mail address for suggestions/comments. But I avoided a mail for this small issue. Anyway, release notes get reviewed many times. So this would be caught someway.
[04:41] <lloydinho> onkarshinde, cool. Well, then that's settled. I'm sure that if it is an easy fix, you can make the change yourself as long as you note it in the wiki page changelog.
[04:42] <onkarshinde> lloydinho: Ok. :-)
[05:05] <nixternal> lloydinho: if you are still around, and haven't done so already, reply away to the comments! ;)
[05:14] <lloydinho> nixternal, cool. It's sent to the list.
[05:34] <Burgwork> lloydinho, the difference is becuase I could not remember
[05:36] <lloydinho> Burgwork, It's cool. I had no idea myself until I asked seb. :-)
[06:41] <LaserJock> heh, "Ubuntu's sister flavours"
[06:42] <Burgwork> LaserJock, what is that from?
[06:42] <LaserJock> Andreas' contributing wiki page
[06:42] <LaserJock> he replaced "derivatives"
[06:42] <Burgwork> right
[06:42] <Burgwork> partner projects in the term we shoud be using
[06:42] <Burgwork> derivatives for non-partners
[06:43] <LaserJock> in his email he said he was talking with Kamion about it
[06:43] <Burgwork> the website and everything else calls it partner projects
[06:43] <LaserJock> and it sounds like they are working on "offical" terminology
[06:44] <LaserJock> hmm, partner projects seems a little distant to me
[06:44] <LaserJock> better than derivative for sure
[06:44] <LaserJock> I like flavor but maybe that's just me
[06:44] <LaserJock> as I think it is important to keep in mind that they all come from the same repositories
[06:44] <LaserJock> or is that "channels" now ;-)
[06:45] <Burgwork> projects makes it clear they are seperate
[06:45] <Burgwork> and partner sounds fluffy and nice
[06:45] <LaserJock> well, I guess it depends on how you look at it
[06:45] <LaserJock> glass half-full kinda thing
[06:45] <LaserJock> I feel like the are more connected then seperate
[06:46] <LaserJock> but that might be because of my de neutrality ;-)
[06:48] <LaserJock> anyway, "Ubuntu's sister flavours" just sounds wrong
[06:48] <Burgwork> can I taste the women on the warty artwork? ;)
[06:49] <LaserJock> heh
[06:55] <poningru> rofl
[11:11] <LaserJock> Burgwork: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/08/crossing-ubucon.html
[11:13] <Burgwork> LaserJock, leslie emailled me