[12:22] http://www.ubuntu.com/news/sunfire?highlight=%28GNU%29 [12:22] ^^ who writes these articles? [12:22] the only thing on ubuntu.com that has anything to do with GNU/Linux is news related, otherwise it is null everywhere esle [12:24] I can tell you who wrote that in a second [12:25] Henrik wrote that [12:33] ahh..well he is the only person in all of Ubuntu land to have the GNU/Linux label [12:33] otherwise, it is Ubuntu and if you want to include Linux the way I see everywhere on the intarweb is (Linux-based operating system) === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] you are a fast sleeper there rob [12:34] and oh, btw, it is yet to become 'morrow' ;) [12:35] efficient [12:35] :) [12:42] it is for me, I just really woke up and am sipping a coffee [12:58] hey rob [12:58] hi Burgwork === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] youknowthekeyboardshortcutsdontchangeinedgyunlessyouturnoffX [02:47] errrestartX [02:48] andyeslikeanidiotImappedspacetomystart/pause [02:48] thekeyboardshortuctguishouldsaythat... === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru should probaby report that bug === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.115.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal tosses this out [05:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/introduction.html [05:05] the ToC, does it just look kind of out of place, hard to follow a little bit? [05:06] yep === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:07] it's a little weird having 3 top level items [05:07] there are 5 ways to find support/help or something about it [05:07] and then having the 1st have like 9 items [05:07] ya, the 3 levels as well...getting kubuntu looks out of place [05:07] yeah [05:08] I think I would have just kept the top level [05:08] i wish robotgeek was around..he has been working on the new one, and asked for my help with splitting the guide...i haven't heard nor seen him in a week now [05:08] but I don't know if that's possible [05:09] Well, I can see the "About" section, and then a "Support" or "Help" section [05:09] There are 2 references to support in the current "About" section [05:09] those could be moved to a support/help section, making the top part a little smaller [05:10] What is Linux and What is GNU could be merged into a "History of Linux" or "History of GNU/Linux" [05:11] heh, and in the GNU section, it doesn't give the recurrsive acronym info which makes it GNU and fun === LaserJock rolls his eyes [05:14] :-) [05:15] hehe [05:22] nixternal: we need to create a common doc for all that stuff [05:38] for like the Linux, GNU, Support right? [05:39] yep [05:39] cool..i will come up with a little something if the interest is there [05:41] go nuts [05:44] heh, thats easy ;) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:11] wow, we are the first ubuntu team to receive commit notification in #commits channel! === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:40] Burgundavia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21617 <- something sorted along the lines of this? [06:41] nixternal: yes, and mako wrote basically that for the official ubuntu book [06:41] heh, im still waiting for my copy to arrive [06:41] we should be able to get a electronic copy [06:41] true.. [06:42] hell, if mako broke it down already, im sure he wouldn't mind us borrowing it for docs [06:42] it is already under the CCbysa [06:43] and besides, canonical owns the copyright to the entgire book [06:44] ok..i will put that on hold then, since our idea follows something already created..no need to double the work [06:44] hey [06:44] hiya jsgotangco! [06:44] what's this TOC about? [06:45] jsgotangco: a generic about ubuntu/the progject/linux/gnu page [06:45] that's a pretty long page for an about page ;)# [06:45] a one stop shop instead of an introduction.xml in every tree [06:46] that can definitely be made smaller, especially the projects portion [06:46] jsgotangco: think makos chapter in the bookj [06:46] as well as support maybe [06:47] it can be broken down into "History", "Projects", and "Support" [07:20] nixternal: you were a little over zealous with your removal. I will now be in town to teach package management [07:21] doh [07:21] i don't think i will be in town now ;) [07:21] what days work for you? [07:21] well..i will be in town, but afk [07:21] right [07:22] i know october == mexico for sure [07:22] september == school, and i am helping with a friend launch a new business [07:22] my saturdays and sundays, in the words of jsgotangco, won't be fun ;( [07:23] wow corey teaching packaging that's something new [07:23] hehe [07:24] jsgotangco: this is the commandline. You will love it! [07:24] packaging is ok, preseeding is much fun [07:25] I plan on teaching gai and synaptic [07:25] and saner ways of looking [07:29] oh you meant installing managing packages, not creating them from scratch [07:33] yep [07:35] Speaking of packaging, I was told to read the Debian new maintainers guide some time; where is it? (I thought it might be on the system hiding somewhere, but am not sure.) [07:35] if you are interested in packaging, save your sanity and read Laserjock's packaging guide first [07:36] Link? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:37] on your system [07:39] its in the Help system [07:39] although the Debian guid is the in-depth guide [07:39] Okay. [07:43] i would recommend at least skimming the deb guide first...and don't skim the ubuntu guide, as it will reak havoc [07:44] Why's that? [07:45] well, the deb guide, like Burgundavia said is very in-depth, but it has some things that will help you i think with debuilder and what not...as for the ubuntu version...it is nice and compact [07:45] this version of the UPG is designed for linear progression [07:45] oh ya, and crimsun said i should read the debian guide first a while back..i kind of listened [07:46] that was probably bad advice. [07:46] you should really read them in parallel [07:47] you might have told me that actually, i skimmed one and read the other ;) [07:47] (sometimes I forget what it's like not to have read it) [07:48] Is UPG == Laserjock's? [07:48] the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [07:48] (yes) [07:48] mostly yes [07:49] but he led its development [07:50] Just clarifying. [07:50] Okay, meanwhile, back partially to the original question, where is the deb guide? (Need offline viewable version) [07:53] the 'debian-policy' and 'maint-guide' packages. [07:53] there are translations. [07:53] for great justice [07:54] for Python policy, the WIP of the spec is at http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/manoj-policy/ [07:55] crimsun: Thanks. === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@p54A830BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:29] nixternal, thanks for the comments on the Contribute doc. Do you mind if I reply to the comments on the list? [09:29] That way everybody can join the discussion. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-51.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-237.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@p54A8448C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:59] I wasn't sure where to suggest this change. The wiki page for EdgyKnot2 says, 'GNOME 2.15 rc1' (heading), while the description says 2,16 beta 2 [04:33] hi onkarshinde, well spotted. After asking seb128, the Ubuntu GNOME maintainer, I updated the wiki page. [04:35] For future reference, when it comes to release documents like this, it's best to ask on ubuntu-devel. [04:35] But thanks for your vigilance :-) [04:39] lloydinho: After reporting here, I found that Corey has given his mail address for suggestions/comments. But I avoided a mail for this small issue. Anyway, release notes get reviewed many times. So this would be caught someway. [04:41] onkarshinde, cool. Well, then that's settled. I'm sure that if it is an easy fix, you can make the change yourself as long as you note it in the wiki page changelog. [04:42] lloydinho: Ok. :-) === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCFC15B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:05] lloydinho: if you are still around, and haven't done so already, reply away to the comments! ;) === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:14] nixternal, cool. It's sent to the list. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:34] lloydinho, the difference is becuase I could not remember [05:36] Burgwork, It's cool. I had no idea myself until I asked seb. :-) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] heh, "Ubuntu's sister flavours" [06:42] LaserJock, what is that from? [06:42] Andreas' contributing wiki page [06:42] he replaced "derivatives" [06:42] right [06:42] partner projects in the term we shoud be using [06:42] derivatives for non-partners [06:43] in his email he said he was talking with Kamion about it [06:43] the website and everything else calls it partner projects [06:43] and it sounds like they are working on "offical" terminology [06:44] hmm, partner projects seems a little distant to me [06:44] better than derivative for sure [06:44] I like flavor but maybe that's just me [06:44] as I think it is important to keep in mind that they all come from the same repositories [06:44] or is that "channels" now ;-) [06:45] projects makes it clear they are seperate [06:45] and partner sounds fluffy and nice [06:45] well, I guess it depends on how you look at it [06:45] glass half-full kinda thing [06:45] I feel like the are more connected then seperate [06:46] but that might be because of my de neutrality ;-) [06:48] anyway, "Ubuntu's sister flavours" just sounds wrong [06:48] can I taste the women on the warty artwork? ;) [06:49] heh [06:55] rofl === HighBit [n=eqhmcow@redpine.canadian.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-201.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.90.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-51.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable069.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:11] Burgwork: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/08/crossing-ubucon.html [11:13] LaserJock, leslie emailled me