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lophytenixternal: you around?03:56
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Burgundaviahey mad'06:38
BurgundaviaMadpilot, rather06:38
Madpilothi06:38
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tonyyarussoI'll try this here too:07:16
tonyyarussoOh, I have a somewhat crafty and sneaky Ubuntu awareness idea, and need to bounce it off some people for legality/CoC,etc. feedback:07:16
tonyyarussoTake a bunch of Ubuntu CDs to a computer store.  Stick them in the drives of a few model computers.  Reboot into Live session.  Leave store.07:16
tonyyarussoWhat do you think?07:16
Burgundaviatonyyarusso: if you don't get caught, you are good07:17
Burgundaviaif you do, prepare to visit at least the store manager07:17
Burgundaviabetter to get some ubuntu postcards/brochures made and put them in the cd drive07:18
Burgundaviaor on the machine, around07:18
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: Would it have any chance of actually being illegal, or just cause them to be displeased?07:19
tonyyarussoPostcards IN the drive?07:20
Burgundaviayou could firmly escort you out and blacklist you07:20
Burgundaviamaybe call the cops for "damaging equipment"07:20
tonyyarussoHmm...07:20
Burgundaviamost people do not under livecds07:20
tonyyarusso"Damaging"?  But....07:20
tonyyarussoRight.07:20
tonyyarussoWhat are the odds of the store manager actually agreeing to let me if I ask sweetly?  Probably not to good because it would have to be approved by some corporate office I imagine.07:21
BurgundaviaI have a snowball. Please go to hot place and tell me if it survives07:22
Burgundaviaif it does, your answer is yes07:22
tonyyarussoAm I allowed a cooler?07:23
Burgundaviano07:24
tonyyarussoDang.07:24
Burgundaviahonestly, you best bet are smaller computers stores07:24
tonyyarussoWell, on the plus side (?), stores often seem to be understaffed and it's impossible to get helped in a timely manner, so I can probably get away with it unseen anyway.07:24
Burgundaviayes07:24
tonyyarussoI'll definitely be checking those out too; I just don't know what stores there are.07:24
Burgundaviaa better bet might be smaller stores07:25
Burgundaviaindependents07:25
tonyyarussoSigh.  It would look better with official pressed CDs, but they don't want to send me more for the time being it seems.07:25
tonyyarussoI shall be hitting the yellow pages for those then.07:25
Burgundaviahow many have you gotten?07:25
tonyyarussoI ordered 25 Dapper ones in May.  They just declined an order this week for 10.07:27
Burgundaviaright07:27
Burgundaviathey are getting pretty tight with them07:27
Burgundavialots are not getting to the right place07:27
tonyyarussoUnderstandable I guess, but it was really cool for a while.07:27
Madpilotlike the ones for sale on EBay? :|07:28
tonyyarussoWhat do you mean?07:28
BurgundaviaMadpilot: or the ones getting destroyed07:28
tonyyarussoWhat?  Eww...07:28
tonyyarussoBy customs, shipping, other?07:28
Burgundaviano, some idiots07:28
MadpilotBurgundavia, ah yes, the ones being axed on youtube...07:28
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Burgundaviawelcome to the world kid07:29
Burgundaviayou can get blank, prelabelled cds07:29
Burgundaviawe should probably investigate that07:29
Burgundavialet me see on my company wiki, I may have a manufacturer07:30
tonyyarussoThat would be nice.07:30
Burgundaviahttp://www.discmakers.com/duplicators/products/cdr105.asp07:31
Burgundaviagot 890 dollars?07:31
tonyyarussoUm, yes, but I'm holding onto it.07:32
Burgundaviaso do I07:32
Madpilotlikewise ;)07:32
Burgundaviahowever, if you got you own cds, you could sell them, for a modest cost like $507:32
tonyyarussoI'd rather not, really.07:33
tonyyarussoMaybe take donations, but I don't want to charge if I can avoid it.  I guess the bank statement will decide, ultimately.07:34
tonyyarussoSo far all I've sunk in is like $15 in photocopying flyers.07:34
Burgundaviathe advantage of selling stuff is you could sell a pack to a store to resell for you07:34
Burgundaviaplus then people value it07:34
tonyyarussoTrue..07:35
tonyyarussoBut I don't think as many CDs would get distributed.07:35
tonyyarussoMaybe less; $1 apiece would more than recover the materials cost, and my time is cheap (apparently $8/hr).07:35
Burgundavia$5 is good because it looks like it costs something, but not too much07:36
Burgundaviaif you design an attractive stand, I bet most computer stores would take it07:36
tonyyarussoDo you do this yourself?  I'm a little surprised by the idea of selling them, frankly.07:36
Burgundaviano, I don't07:37
Burgundaviasomething I simply have not had the time to set up07:37
Burgundaviaselling stuff is not evil07:38
tonyyarussoEvil, no.  What I'm wondering about though is whether it would be more or less effective.07:39
Burgundaviadepends entirely on buyin from computer stores07:40
tonyyarussoMaybe I could then do things like "For every 25 you sell, I give you 5 free" and that sort of marketing mumbo-jumbo to encourage them to take some initiative in pushing them too.07:42
Burgundaviaype07:44
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johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/07:50
johnlittleubucon video up07:50
Madpilotcool. Burgundavia, any footage of you in that?07:51
whiprushcool07:51
BurgundaviaI hope not07:51
Burgundaviaumm, yep07:51
Burgundaviathat would be me07:51
whiprushin your marketing Splunk tshirt07:52
whiprushthere's that kde guy asking all those questions again07:52
Madpilotwhiprush, guy in the white shirt is you, right?07:56
whiprushthe round one, yeah07:57
rjianBurgundavia u there?07:57
Burgundaviarjian: I am07:57
johnlittleadd both or your names to the video description07:59
johnlittleadded07:59
rjianhmm theres a section on community news on site ryt? can i contribute news coz there will be an event comming this september 16 about FOSS..07:59
Burgundaviarjian: upcoming events?07:59
Burgundaviahmm07:59
Burgundaviajohnlittle: lovely ;)07:59
Burgundaviajohnlittle: the big guy is Jorge Castro08:00
rjianBurgundavia: I mean we will have an FOSS events on our place and UBuntu cd's will be giving away..08:00
Burgundaviaright08:00
BurgundaviaI would advertise that to your locoteam08:00
rjianBurgundavia: Ah ok.. aside from Ubuntu cd's, SFD and IOSN will also help..08:01
Burgundaviaif you are an ubuntu member, planet ubuntu is a good place for your blog08:02
Burgundaviacurrently we don't have a "community events calendar"08:02
Burgundaviawe should probably get one08:02
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rjianBurgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..08:04
Burgundaviasorry, don't follow08:04
rjian<Burgundavia> sorry, don't follow << what do u mean?08:05
BurgundaviaI didn' understand what you said08:06
rjianah ok08:07
rjianBurgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..08:07
rjiansorry wrong windows08:07
Burgundaviaright, that was the same thing08:07
Burgundaviayou want to add it UWN?08:07
rjianyup its a news of FOSS ryt?08:07
rjiani mean Community new?08:07
rjiannews08:07
Burgundaviayes, but not really UWN material08:09
Burgundaviawe need a calendar for upcoming events, to point to08:09
rjianah ok..08:09
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johnlittleI added a mention about the penguin bowl too08:24
Madpilotyou have a bowl of penguins?08:25
johnlittlecorey does08:26
BurgundaviaI, jorge and mdy have a glass penguin statue08:27
Burgundaviaeach, I should say08:27
mindspinI'm thiking about buying this painting...http://www.trinkausstellung.de/bilder/urlaub_bei_freunden.jpg08:28
johnlittleYou're not still carrying it around with you everywhere you go are you?08:28
johnlittlenice08:29
MadpilotBurgundavia, did you take yours to the bar like whiprush did? ;)08:30
Burgundaviano08:30
Burgundaviabut Jorge took his to the bar the night he won it. Let us just say he was glad I was sober08:30
Madpilotyou were designated penguin-hauler, were you?08:31
johnlittleLooks like taking it to the bar wasn't a bad idea08:31
johnlittlehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3257942968983462203&q=ubucon08:33
johnlittleit's gonna be Corey Burger week on Ubuntu Video ;)08:33
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Burgundaviaoh sweet jesus08:35
johnlittle;)08:35
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Burgundaviahe said he didn't know how the video would come out08:36
BurgundaviaI was hoping for crap...08:36
johnlittlethat's good stuff..wish i had more videos like it08:37
johnlittleI'm going to run out of ubuntu material soon08:37
whiprushheh08:37
Burgundaviaapparently I videotape better than I thought08:37
Burgundaviawhiprush: damn you! for something...08:37
MadpilotI'm still watching the Ubucon presentation, looks like the other one will be worth watching :)08:37
johnlittlestart uploading family movies madpilot ;)08:38
whiprushwearing a splunk tshirt of all things.08:38
Madpilotlucky for Corey, we don't have any08:38
whiprushof course, I can't talk, I was wearing a novell shirt iirc08:38
Burgundaviawhiprush: my Ubuntu tshirt was dirty!08:38
Burgundaviaindeed08:38
whiprushyeah, mine too08:38
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Burgundaviathe only bad picture/video that I know off is of me asleep in my spaghetti08:39
Burgundaviaat about 2, to be clear08:39
johnlittlelol08:39
Burgundaviathen again08:39
whiprushwe should do an edgy desktop tour video, a screencap though08:39
Burgundaviawe should08:39
whiprushwith audio voice over08:39
Burgundaviawith audio voice over?08:39
whiprushyeah08:39
Burgundaviayou are mad08:39
whiprushso you can explain the stuff as you demo it08:39
johnlittleplease do :)08:40
Burgundaviaso I can explain the stuff? do I sound better than you?08:40
whiprushno, so the person doing the video can explain08:40
whiprush"I am now plugging in my camera ..."08:40
whiprushthings like that08:40
Burgundaviaah, right, I don;t need to be involved08:41
Burgundaviasplendid08:41
whiprushI wonder if istanbul does audio08:41
Burgundaviano, but I bet jokosher does08:42
Burgundaviaor we can whip out pitivi08:42
Burgundaviaanyway, I have to sleep08:43
BurgundaviaI will look at the horrible videos tomorrow, when I actually have flash installed08:43
Madpilotwow, the audio & video on that was badly out of synch08:43
johnlittletime for sleep here too..nite ppl08:44
Burgundaviathat is a flash issue, likley08:45
Burgundaviajohnlittle: you need to send the kneecaping crowd around to get .oggs to post08:45
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johnlittleYeah I was hoping for feedback on that08:46
BurgundaviaI think it is fairly critical that it just on default ubuntu08:46
johnlittleI need to talk to the forum guys about getting some visibility for video stuff maybe08:48
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Burgundavianixternal: promoting kde apps on planet ubuntu is against groupthink and ++ungood *grin*08:55
nixternalhaha08:55
nixternali was wondering when someone would say that08:55
nixternalthat was the entire plan muhahah08:55
Burgundaviayou have been discovered. Make your time.08:55
BurgundaviaAll your apps are belong to us08:55
nixternalhahaha08:55
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Burgundaviaisn't it 3am there?08:56
nixternal208:56
Burgundaviaoh right, illinois is central, not eastern08:57
Burgundaviamichigan is the dividing line08:57
nixternalkinda sorta ya08:57
nixternalindiana is goofy, they don't know what they want08:57
BurgundaviaI hate timezones08:57
nixternalthey just stay one time, they don't switch at all..so half the year we are the same time, the other half they are an hour ahead08:57
Burgundaviasask is the same way08:58
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johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ogg_videos09:12
johnlittlenot much but its a start09:12
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livingdaylightMadpilot: hi09:39
Madpilothi livingdaylight09:39
livingdaylight :)09:39
livingdaylightyou got my email, of course, right?09:40
MadpilotI did09:40
livingdaylightkool09:40
Madpilotdid some work on it tonight, I'll finish it over the weekend when I've got a bit more time09:40
livingdaylightk, no worries09:40
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KenSentMeMorning people11:56
johnlittlemorning11:56
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elkbuntujohnlittle, http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/soldierwallpaper.jpg ;)04:03
MenZalol04:07
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elkbuntuthe guy is a bit crappy, but that's the only bit the gimp didnt do ;)05:02
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Burgworkhttp://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/08/25/inca.microsoft.ap/index.html05:56
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poningruam I the only person that got a bit concerned about the 'most offensive thing' thread?06:20
nixternali stopped reading it after the 1000th post06:21
Burgworkindeed06:22
Burgworkhowever, it is a trademark issue06:22
Burgworkdilution of the ubuntu trademark06:22
nixternalyup06:24
nixternali am working on a distro similar in nature, but a totally different name06:24
poningruyeah /me didnt read most of it either06:25
poningruthe thing that scared me was just the bit of mudslinging06:25
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Burgworkyep06:26
Burgworkhey matthewrevell06:26
nixternalthe one bad thing about freedom of speach, is that is causes us to see the freedom of ignorance as well06:26
nixternalhiya matthewrevell!06:26
matthewrevellhey06:26
poningruhehe yeah06:26
nixternali could care less what someone believes in truthfully, but don't hate or disrespect, or mudsling if you don't agree...that is ignorant, no ifs ands or buts06:27
matthewrevellLooks like an interesting discussions to join half-way through :)06:27
nixternalhaha06:27
nixternali hate when i do that...we are chatting about the "Most offensive thing" thread on sounder that went by recently06:28
nixternalabout Christian Ubuntu06:28
matthewrevelloh right06:28
nixternalit isn't offensive to me, but I can see how it for one infringes on the trademark, but someone said something I thought was very valid, and if it is allowed, then there can be the creation of satan ubuntu and such06:29
nixternalwhich will eventually cause way to many problems ;)06:29
nixternali will create FTW Ubuntu06:29
nixternal;)06:29
Burgworkthe issue is, it uses the ubuntu name while not really being Ubuntu06:31
Burgworkif you don't police your trademark, you lose it06:31
Burgworkit is a big problem for FLOSS. Look at the Firefox issue06:31
nixternalit is Ubuntu for real, just with one package added...all he did was add "apt-get install gnome-sword" and packaged it as Christian Ubuntu06:31
matthewrevellnixternal: really? Is that it?06:31
nixternalyes06:31
nixternalmyself and a few others have spoken to the guy..the guy who created it, doesn't even know how to use Linux, let along Ubuntu, he isn't a dev, and he don't know how to package either06:32
poningrurofl06:33
matthewrevellI'm confused. If he is that inexperienced, what exactly does he offer for d/l?06:33
nixternalubuntu, with one package added to the install script for a LiveCD06:34
matthewrevellThe site mentions a graphical tool for configuring DansGuardian.06:34
nixternalthat is something new then06:35
nixternalthe site is kind of funny with the name though...   WWJD - What Would Jesus Download06:35
Burgworkbut dansguardian is crap and the developer hates packagers06:35
matthewrevellEither way, it's a big risk of brand dilution.06:35
nixternalhhaah06:35
matthewrevellThat's funny.06:35
nixternalw/o a doubt06:35
Burgworkhence why Edubuntu developed willowng06:35
Burgworkmatthewrevell, I mentioned that to Jane at Ubucon/LWE06:36
matthewrevellBurgwork: yeah? What's the Canonical take on it?06:36
Burgworkshe took it under advisement06:36
matthewrevellright06:36
nixternaloh, he has updated the site..because one of the projects i am working on is listed there now06:37
matthewrevellThe derivative branding thing is a risk in itself, but I imagine the official derivs have some sort of agreement with Canonical not to bring the brand into disrepute etc06:38
nixternalheh, so he has added 2 packages to the CD, and added Christian to it06:38
matthewrevellAh, wife's back.06:38
nixternalhaha06:38
matthewrevell:)06:38
nixternalim glad mines gone ;)06:38
nixternalshe wants to get back together as well..im like, sorry, don't have time right now...busy with my computer ;)  leave your name and number, i will not get back with you!06:39
nixternalhaha06:39
Burgworkmatthewrevell, yes, they do. And they very explicitly use their own trademarks06:39
matthewrevellI'm very pleased she's back, but it does mean I may be less active in the conv06:39
nixternalactually...he changed the name i just noticed...it is "Ubuntu - Christian Edition"06:39
Burgworkstill using the ubuntu name06:40
Burgworkit implies endorsement06:40
nixternalyup06:40
nixternalhe could do Cubuntu if he wanted06:41
Burgworkthat would be better06:41
BurgworkWUWJU (What Ubuntu would Jesus use)06:41
nixternalhahaha06:42
nixternaldude, thats way to funny ;)06:42
BurgworkI try06:42
nixternalim seriously lmao06:43
nixternali could picture jesus at a terminal hackin'06:43
Burgworkright06:43
nixternalfrom the pictures i have seen everyone make up, he does kind of resemble RMS ;)06:43
nixternala skinny version06:44
nixternalthe planet has become a Digg news site it seems06:45
matthewrevellI'm sure Canonical will act in some way, whether it's giving permission to use the name or whatever, because if they don't protect their trademark, they lose it, as I'm sure you guys know.06:45
Burgworknixternal, I have emailed UD about that06:45
nixternalheh06:45
nixternalso has everyone else from what i have heard06:45
nixternaljdub said he got poked more then enough times06:46
matthewrevellUD?06:46
nixternalmatthewrevell: the ubuntu christian edition has been running now for about 6 or so months...so if something was to happen, you would think it would have done so already, right?06:46
Burgworkubuntu demon06:47
nixternali know the guy who runs it, wasn't the friendliest person at first, and it could have very well been a language barrier as well06:47
matthewrevellnixternal: I dunno. I think Canonical would have to spend some time thinking how to come out looking like the good guys.06:47
matthewrevellOf course, that's very difficult06:47
matthewrevellbut if you're lax with your trademark, it goes.06:47
matthewrevellLook at Aspirin06:47
matthewrevellBurgwork: ah06:48
nixternaltrue, seeing as the meaning behind it, they definitely don't want to start fires with the communities06:48
Burgworkyes, it is a very touchy issue06:48
matthewrevellnixternal: Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure a compromise could be reached06:48
nixternalya, i remember Aspirin was a topic in my business law classes06:48
nixternalas long as we don't send bush in, everything should turn out fine ;)06:48
matthewrevellBurgwork: It could so easily make Canonical look like bad chaps06:48
nixternalomg, speaking of my fearless leader...google      failure06:49
nixternalto funny06:49
Burgworknazis, even06:49
matthewrevellBurgwork: The negative publicity could even start a backlash against the Ubuntu brand.06:49
nixternalyup06:49
matthewrevellI think the text on the website gives a bit too little credit to Ubuntu.06:50
nixternalanti-semitic ubuntu...that would be next..and then just like the world..we would have wars amongst the communities06:50
matthewrevellPersonally, I don't see any problem in different communities making it easy for their members to make the most of Ubuntu.06:51
matthewrevell(Not endorsing Anti-Semitic Ubuntu BTW)06:51
nixternalno, thats what is great about it06:51
nixternalbut at least change the name, and take it away from the Ubuntu community though06:51
matthewrevellbut if someone's saying, "Hey, here's Ubuntu Christian Edition" it implies some official backing, as does their Icthusised Ubuntu logo06:52
nixternallike raphink did with ichthux...he is actually working with the ubuntu christian guy, trying to get him to change it i believe06:52
matthewrevellcool06:52
nixternalfrom what i have heard, the guy who runs that is at times unresponsive or has this "i don't give a crap" attitude06:53
matthewrevellright06:53
Burgworkthen the hammer of God^WWWJane needs to come down06:53
nixternalhahah06:53
matthewrevellPerhaps it's something for the Communications Manager to take up when (s)he is appointed06:53
nixternalWWJD == What Will Jane Do06:53
Burgworkmatthewrevell, you mean Brother Jono?06:54
nixternalhaha06:54
matthewrevellBurgwork: Nah, there's a separate Comms Manager role06:54
nixternali knew you guys shared a common bond ;)06:54
matthewrevelladvertised06:54
matthewrevell:)06:54
Burgworkright06:54
nixternalto much bonding, or bondage06:54
Burgworkbut Jono or Jane could do it06:54
nixternaloooh...work time...bbiab ;)06:54
matthewrevellBurgwork: Yup, anyone with authority at canonical could do it06:55
matthewrevellI suppose it needs someone with loads of tact etc06:55
matthewrevellbut the authority to say, "Look, this really needs to happen" ... whatever it is that they decide needs to happen06:55
BurgworkI think Canonicals needs to create a community copyright document, aks for feedback and then start enforcing that07:01
matthewrevellyeah, sounds like a good idea for people to know where they stand up-front07:04
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