[03:56] <lophyte> nixternal: you around?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> hey mad'
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, rather
[06:38] <Madpilot> hi
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> I'll try this here too:
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> Oh, I have a somewhat crafty and sneaky Ubuntu awareness idea, and need to bounce it off some people for legality/CoC,etc. feedback:
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> Take a bunch of Ubuntu CDs to a computer store.  Stick them in the drives of a few model computers.  Reboot into Live session.  Leave store.
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> What do you think?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: if you don't get caught, you are good
[07:17] <Burgundavia> if you do, prepare to visit at least the store manager
[07:18] <Burgundavia> better to get some ubuntu postcards/brochures made and put them in the cd drive
[07:18] <Burgundavia> or on the machine, around
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Would it have any chance of actually being illegal, or just cause them to be displeased?
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Postcards IN the drive?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> you could firmly escort you out and blacklist you
[07:20] <Burgundavia> maybe call the cops for "damaging equipment"
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Hmm...
[07:20] <Burgundavia> most people do not under livecds
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> "Damaging"?  But....
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Right.
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> What are the odds of the store manager actually agreeing to let me if I ask sweetly?  Probably not to good because it would have to be approved by some corporate office I imagine.
[07:22] <Burgundavia> I have a snowball. Please go to hot place and tell me if it survives
[07:22] <Burgundavia> if it does, your answer is yes
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Am I allowed a cooler?
[07:24] <Burgundavia> no
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> Dang.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> honestly, you best bet are smaller computers stores
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> Well, on the plus side (?), stores often seem to be understaffed and it's impossible to get helped in a timely manner, so I can probably get away with it unseen anyway.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> I'll definitely be checking those out too; I just don't know what stores there are.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> a better bet might be smaller stores
[07:25] <Burgundavia> independents
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Sigh.  It would look better with official pressed CDs, but they don't want to send me more for the time being it seems.
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> I shall be hitting the yellow pages for those then.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> how many have you gotten?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> I ordered 25 Dapper ones in May.  They just declined an order this week for 10.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> right
[07:27] <Burgundavia> they are getting pretty tight with them
[07:27] <Burgundavia> lots are not getting to the right place
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> Understandable I guess, but it was really cool for a while.
[07:28] <Madpilot> like the ones for sale on EBay? :|
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> What do you mean?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: or the ones getting destroyed
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> What?  Eww...
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> By customs, shipping, other?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> no, some idiots
[07:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, ah yes, the ones being axed on youtube...
[07:29] <Burgundavia> welcome to the world kid
[07:29] <Burgundavia> you can get blank, prelabelled cds
[07:29] <Burgundavia> we should probably investigate that
[07:30] <Burgundavia> let me see on my company wiki, I may have a manufacturer
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> That would be nice.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> http://www.discmakers.com/duplicators/products/cdr105.asp
[07:31] <Burgundavia> got 890 dollars?
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> Um, yes, but I'm holding onto it.
[07:32] <Burgundavia> so do I
[07:32] <Madpilot> likewise ;)
[07:32] <Burgundavia> however, if you got you own cds, you could sell them, for a modest cost like $5
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> I'd rather not, really.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Maybe take donations, but I don't want to charge if I can avoid it.  I guess the bank statement will decide, ultimately.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> So far all I've sunk in is like $15 in photocopying flyers.
[07:34] <Burgundavia> the advantage of selling stuff is you could sell a pack to a store to resell for you
[07:34] <Burgundavia> plus then people value it
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> True..
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> But I don't think as many CDs would get distributed.
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> Maybe less; $1 apiece would more than recover the materials cost, and my time is cheap (apparently $8/hr).
[07:36] <Burgundavia> $5 is good because it looks like it costs something, but not too much
[07:36] <Burgundavia> if you design an attractive stand, I bet most computer stores would take it
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> Do you do this yourself?  I'm a little surprised by the idea of selling them, frankly.
[07:37] <Burgundavia> no, I don't
[07:37] <Burgundavia> something I simply have not had the time to set up
[07:38] <Burgundavia> selling stuff is not evil
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> Evil, no.  What I'm wondering about though is whether it would be more or less effective.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> depends entirely on buyin from computer stores
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> Maybe I could then do things like "For every 25 you sell, I give you 5 free" and that sort of marketing mumbo-jumbo to encourage them to take some initiative in pushing them too.
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ype
[07:50] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[07:50] <johnlittle> ubucon video up
[07:51] <Madpilot> cool. Burgundavia, any footage of you in that?
[07:51] <whiprush> cool
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I hope not
[07:51] <Burgundavia> umm, yep
[07:51] <Burgundavia> that would be me
[07:52] <whiprush> in your marketing Splunk tshirt
[07:52] <whiprush> there's that kde guy asking all those questions again
[07:56] <Madpilot> whiprush, guy in the white shirt is you, right?
[07:57] <whiprush> the round one, yeah
[07:57] <rjian> Burgundavia u there?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> rjian: I am
[07:59] <johnlittle> add both or your names to the video description
[07:59] <johnlittle> added
[07:59] <rjian> hmm theres a section on community news on site ryt? can i contribute news coz there will be an event comming this september 16 about FOSS..
[07:59] <Burgundavia> rjian: upcoming events?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:59] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: lovely ;)
[08:00] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: the big guy is Jorge Castro
[08:00] <rjian> Burgundavia: I mean we will have an FOSS events on our place and UBuntu cd's will be giving away..
[08:00] <Burgundavia> right
[08:00] <Burgundavia> I would advertise that to your locoteam
[08:01] <rjian> Burgundavia: Ah ok.. aside from Ubuntu cd's, SFD and IOSN will also help..
[08:02] <Burgundavia> if you are an ubuntu member, planet ubuntu is a good place for your blog
[08:02] <Burgundavia> currently we don't have a "community events calendar"
[08:02] <Burgundavia> we should probably get one
[08:04] <rjian> Burgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..
[08:04] <Burgundavia> sorry, don't follow
 sorry, don't follow << what do u mean?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I didn' understand what you said
[08:07] <rjian> ah ok
[08:07] <rjian> Burgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..
[08:07] <rjian> sorry wrong windows
[08:07] <Burgundavia> right, that was the same thing
[08:07] <Burgundavia> you want to add it UWN?
[08:07] <rjian> yup its a news of FOSS ryt?
[08:07] <rjian> i mean Community new?
[08:07] <rjian> news
[08:09] <Burgundavia> yes, but not really UWN material
[08:09] <Burgundavia> we need a calendar for upcoming events, to point to
[08:09] <rjian> ah ok..
[08:24] <johnlittle> I added a mention about the penguin bowl too
[08:25] <Madpilot> you have a bowl of penguins?
[08:26] <johnlittle> corey does
[08:27] <Burgundavia> I, jorge and mdy have a glass penguin statue
[08:27] <Burgundavia> each, I should say
[08:28] <mindspin> I'm thiking about buying this painting...http://www.trinkausstellung.de/bilder/urlaub_bei_freunden.jpg
[08:28] <johnlittle> You're not still carrying it around with you everywhere you go are you?
[08:29] <johnlittle> nice
[08:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, did you take yours to the bar like whiprush did? ;)
[08:30] <Burgundavia> no
[08:30] <Burgundavia> but Jorge took his to the bar the night he won it. Let us just say he was glad I was sober
[08:31] <Madpilot> you were designated penguin-hauler, were you?
[08:31] <johnlittle> Looks like taking it to the bar wasn't a bad idea
[08:33] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3257942968983462203&q=ubucon
[08:33] <johnlittle> it's gonna be Corey Burger week on Ubuntu Video ;)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> oh sweet jesus
[08:35] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> he said he didn't know how the video would come out
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I was hoping for crap...
[08:37] <johnlittle> that's good stuff..wish i had more videos like it
[08:37] <johnlittle> I'm going to run out of ubuntu material soon
[08:37] <whiprush> heh
[08:37] <Burgundavia> apparently I videotape better than I thought
[08:37] <Burgundavia> whiprush: damn you! for something...
[08:37] <Madpilot> I'm still watching the Ubucon presentation, looks like the other one will be worth watching :)
[08:38] <johnlittle> start uploading family movies madpilot ;)
[08:38] <whiprush> wearing a splunk tshirt of all things.
[08:38] <Madpilot> lucky for Corey, we don't have any
[08:38] <whiprush> of course, I can't talk, I was wearing a novell shirt iirc
[08:38] <Burgundavia> whiprush: my Ubuntu tshirt was dirty!
[08:38] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:38] <whiprush> yeah, mine too
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the only bad picture/video that I know off is of me asleep in my spaghetti
[08:39] <Burgundavia> at about 2, to be clear
[08:39] <johnlittle> lol
[08:39] <Burgundavia> then again
[08:39] <whiprush> we should do an edgy desktop tour video, a screencap though
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we should
[08:39] <whiprush> with audio voice over
[08:39] <Burgundavia> with audio voice over?
[08:39] <whiprush> yeah
[08:39] <Burgundavia> you are mad
[08:39] <whiprush> so you can explain the stuff as you demo it
[08:40] <johnlittle> please do :)
[08:40] <Burgundavia> so I can explain the stuff? do I sound better than you?
[08:40] <whiprush> no, so the person doing the video can explain
[08:40] <whiprush> "I am now plugging in my camera ..."
[08:40] <whiprush> things like that
[08:41] <Burgundavia> ah, right, I don;t need to be involved
[08:41] <Burgundavia> splendid
[08:41] <whiprush> I wonder if istanbul does audio
[08:42] <Burgundavia> no, but I bet jokosher does
[08:42] <Burgundavia> or we can whip out pitivi
[08:43] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I will look at the horrible videos tomorrow, when I actually have flash installed
[08:43] <Madpilot> wow, the audio & video on that was badly out of synch
[08:44] <johnlittle> time for sleep here too..nite ppl
[08:45] <Burgundavia> that is a flash issue, likley
[08:45] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you need to send the kneecaping crowd around to get .oggs to post
[08:46] <johnlittle> Yeah I was hoping for feedback on that
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I think it is fairly critical that it just on default ubuntu
[08:48] <johnlittle> I need to talk to the forum guys about getting some visibility for video stuff maybe
[08:55] <Burgundavia> nixternal: promoting kde apps on planet ubuntu is against groupthink and ++ungood *grin*
[08:55] <nixternal> haha
[08:55] <nixternal> i was wondering when someone would say that
[08:55] <nixternal> that was the entire plan muhahah
[08:55] <Burgundavia> you have been discovered. Make your time.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> All your apps are belong to us
[08:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:56] <Burgundavia> isn't it 3am there?
[08:56] <nixternal> 2
[08:57] <Burgundavia> oh right, illinois is central, not eastern
[08:57] <Burgundavia> michigan is the dividing line
[08:57] <nixternal> kinda sorta ya
[08:57] <nixternal> indiana is goofy, they don't know what they want
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I hate timezones
[08:57] <nixternal> they just stay one time, they don't switch at all..so half the year we are the same time, the other half they are an hour ahead
[08:58] <Burgundavia> sask is the same way
[09:12] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ogg_videos
[09:12] <johnlittle> not much but its a start
[09:39] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: hi
[09:39] <Madpilot> hi livingdaylight
[09:39] <livingdaylight>  :)
[09:40] <livingdaylight> you got my email, of course, right?
[09:40] <Madpilot> I did
[09:40] <livingdaylight> kool
[09:40] <Madpilot> did some work on it tonight, I'll finish it over the weekend when I've got a bit more time
[09:40] <livingdaylight> k, no worries
[11:56] <KenSentMe> Morning people
[11:56] <johnlittle> morning
[04:03] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/soldierwallpaper.jpg ;)
[04:07] <MenZa> lol
[05:02] <elkbuntu> the guy is a bit crappy, but that's the only bit the gimp didnt do ;)
[05:56] <Burgwork> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/08/25/inca.microsoft.ap/index.html
[06:20] <poningru> am I the only person that got a bit concerned about the 'most offensive thing' thread?
[06:21] <nixternal> i stopped reading it after the 1000th post
[06:22] <Burgwork> indeed
[06:22] <Burgwork> however, it is a trademark issue
[06:22] <Burgwork> dilution of the ubuntu trademark
[06:24] <nixternal> yup
[06:24] <nixternal> i am working on a distro similar in nature, but a totally different name
[06:25] <poningru> yeah /me didnt read most of it either
[06:25] <poningru> the thing that scared me was just the bit of mudslinging
[06:26] <Burgwork> yep
[06:26] <Burgwork> hey matthewrevell
[06:26] <nixternal> the one bad thing about freedom of speach, is that is causes us to see the freedom of ignorance as well
[06:26] <nixternal> hiya matthewrevell!
[06:26] <matthewrevell> hey
[06:26] <poningru> hehe yeah
[06:27] <nixternal> i could care less what someone believes in truthfully, but don't hate or disrespect, or mudsling if you don't agree...that is ignorant, no ifs ands or buts
[06:27] <matthewrevell> Looks like an interesting discussions to join half-way through :)
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:28] <nixternal> i hate when i do that...we are chatting about the "Most offensive thing" thread on sounder that went by recently
[06:28] <nixternal> about Christian Ubuntu
[06:28] <matthewrevell> oh right
[06:29] <nixternal> it isn't offensive to me, but I can see how it for one infringes on the trademark, but someone said something I thought was very valid, and if it is allowed, then there can be the creation of satan ubuntu and such
[06:29] <nixternal> which will eventually cause way to many problems ;)
[06:29] <nixternal> i will create FTW Ubuntu
[06:29] <nixternal> ;)
[06:31] <Burgwork> the issue is, it uses the ubuntu name while not really being Ubuntu
[06:31] <Burgwork> if you don't police your trademark, you lose it
[06:31] <Burgwork> it is a big problem for FLOSS. Look at the Firefox issue
[06:31] <nixternal> it is Ubuntu for real, just with one package added...all he did was add "apt-get install gnome-sword" and packaged it as Christian Ubuntu
[06:31] <matthewrevell> nixternal: really? Is that it?
[06:31] <nixternal> yes
[06:32] <nixternal> myself and a few others have spoken to the guy..the guy who created it, doesn't even know how to use Linux, let along Ubuntu, he isn't a dev, and he don't know how to package either
[06:33] <poningru> rofl
[06:33] <matthewrevell> I'm confused. If he is that inexperienced, what exactly does he offer for d/l?
[06:34] <nixternal> ubuntu, with one package added to the install script for a LiveCD
[06:34] <matthewrevell> The site mentions a graphical tool for configuring DansGuardian.
[06:35] <nixternal> that is something new then
[06:35] <nixternal> the site is kind of funny with the name though...   WWJD - What Would Jesus Download
[06:35] <Burgwork> but dansguardian is crap and the developer hates packagers
[06:35] <matthewrevell> Either way, it's a big risk of brand dilution.
[06:35] <nixternal> hhaah
[06:35] <matthewrevell> That's funny.
[06:35] <nixternal> w/o a doubt
[06:35] <Burgwork> hence why Edubuntu developed willowng
[06:36] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, I mentioned that to Jane at Ubucon/LWE
[06:36] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: yeah? What's the Canonical take on it?
[06:36] <Burgwork> she took it under advisement
[06:36] <matthewrevell> right
[06:37] <nixternal> oh, he has updated the site..because one of the projects i am working on is listed there now
[06:38] <matthewrevell> The derivative branding thing is a risk in itself, but I imagine the official derivs have some sort of agreement with Canonical not to bring the brand into disrepute etc
[06:38] <nixternal> heh, so he has added 2 packages to the CD, and added Christian to it
[06:38] <matthewrevell> Ah, wife's back.
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <matthewrevell> :)
[06:38] <nixternal> im glad mines gone ;)
[06:39] <nixternal> she wants to get back together as well..im like, sorry, don't have time right now...busy with my computer ;)  leave your name and number, i will not get back with you!
[06:39] <nixternal> haha
[06:39] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, yes, they do. And they very explicitly use their own trademarks
[06:39] <matthewrevell> I'm very pleased she's back, but it does mean I may be less active in the conv
[06:39] <nixternal> actually...he changed the name i just noticed...it is "Ubuntu - Christian Edition"
[06:40] <Burgwork> still using the ubuntu name
[06:40] <Burgwork> it implies endorsement
[06:40] <nixternal> yup
[06:41] <nixternal> he could do Cubuntu if he wanted
[06:41] <Burgwork> that would be better
[06:41] <Burgwork> WUWJU (What Ubuntu would Jesus use)
[06:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:42] <nixternal> dude, thats way to funny ;)
[06:42] <Burgwork> I try
[06:43] <nixternal> im seriously lmao
[06:43] <nixternal> i could picture jesus at a terminal hackin'
[06:43] <Burgwork> right
[06:43] <nixternal> from the pictures i have seen everyone make up, he does kind of resemble RMS ;)
[06:44] <nixternal> a skinny version
[06:45] <nixternal> the planet has become a Digg news site it seems
[06:45] <matthewrevell> I'm sure Canonical will act in some way, whether it's giving permission to use the name or whatever, because if they don't protect their trademark, they lose it, as I'm sure you guys know.
[06:45] <Burgwork> nixternal, I have emailed UD about that
[06:45] <nixternal> heh
[06:45] <nixternal> so has everyone else from what i have heard
[06:46] <nixternal> jdub said he got poked more then enough times
[06:46] <matthewrevell> UD?
[06:46] <nixternal> matthewrevell: the ubuntu christian edition has been running now for about 6 or so months...so if something was to happen, you would think it would have done so already, right?
[06:47] <Burgwork> ubuntu demon
[06:47] <nixternal> i know the guy who runs it, wasn't the friendliest person at first, and it could have very well been a language barrier as well
[06:47] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I dunno. I think Canonical would have to spend some time thinking how to come out looking like the good guys.
[06:47] <matthewrevell> Of course, that's very difficult
[06:47] <matthewrevell> but if you're lax with your trademark, it goes.
[06:47] <matthewrevell> Look at Aspirin
[06:48] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: ah
[06:48] <nixternal> true, seeing as the meaning behind it, they definitely don't want to start fires with the communities
[06:48] <Burgwork> yes, it is a very touchy issue
[06:48] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure a compromise could be reached
[06:48] <nixternal> ya, i remember Aspirin was a topic in my business law classes
[06:48] <nixternal> as long as we don't send bush in, everything should turn out fine ;)
[06:48] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: It could so easily make Canonical look like bad chaps
[06:49] <nixternal> omg, speaking of my fearless leader...google      failure
[06:49] <nixternal> to funny
[06:49] <Burgwork> nazis, even
[06:49] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: The negative publicity could even start a backlash against the Ubuntu brand.
[06:49] <nixternal> yup
[06:50] <matthewrevell> I think the text on the website gives a bit too little credit to Ubuntu.
[06:50] <nixternal> anti-semitic ubuntu...that would be next..and then just like the world..we would have wars amongst the communities
[06:51] <matthewrevell> Personally, I don't see any problem in different communities making it easy for their members to make the most of Ubuntu.
[06:51] <matthewrevell> (Not endorsing Anti-Semitic Ubuntu BTW)
[06:51] <nixternal> no, thats what is great about it
[06:51] <nixternal> but at least change the name, and take it away from the Ubuntu community though
[06:52] <matthewrevell> but if someone's saying, "Hey, here's Ubuntu Christian Edition" it implies some official backing, as does their Icthusised Ubuntu logo
[06:52] <nixternal> like raphink did with ichthux...he is actually working with the ubuntu christian guy, trying to get him to change it i believe
[06:52] <matthewrevell> cool
[06:53] <nixternal> from what i have heard, the guy who runs that is at times unresponsive or has this "i don't give a crap" attitude
[06:53] <matthewrevell> right
[06:53] <Burgwork> then the hammer of God^WWWJane needs to come down
[06:53] <nixternal> hahah
[06:53] <matthewrevell> Perhaps it's something for the Communications Manager to take up when (s)he is appointed
[06:53] <nixternal> WWJD == What Will Jane Do
[06:54] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, you mean Brother Jono?
[06:54] <nixternal> haha
[06:54] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: Nah, there's a separate Comms Manager role
[06:54] <nixternal> i knew you guys shared a common bond ;)
[06:54] <matthewrevell> advertised
[06:54] <matthewrevell> :)
[06:54] <Burgwork> right
[06:54] <nixternal> to much bonding, or bondage
[06:54] <Burgwork> but Jono or Jane could do it
[06:54] <nixternal> oooh...work time...bbiab ;)
[06:55] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: Yup, anyone with authority at canonical could do it
[06:55] <matthewrevell> I suppose it needs someone with loads of tact etc
[06:55] <matthewrevell> but the authority to say, "Look, this really needs to happen" ... whatever it is that they decide needs to happen
[07:01] <Burgwork> I think Canonicals needs to create a community copyright document, aks for feedback and then start enforcing that
[07:04] <matthewrevell> yeah, sounds like a good idea for people to know where they stand up-front