[03:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:10] <bddebian> What's the proper procedure to request a dapper-update or security, etc?
[03:21] <lfittl> gn8 everybody
[03:23] <crimsun> bddebian: that's two different questions. Which are you asking?
[03:28] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:29] <bddebian> crimsun: I'm not sure.  The typo3 upload fixes a security bug (hopefully) but is also a newer version.
[03:30] <azeem> could you backport the fix?
[03:31] <bddebian> azeem: Yes since it's mostly a source package that just lays a directory structure
[03:31] <bddebian> Or do you mean to the current version?
[03:31] <azeem> to the current version
[03:31] <crimsun> if you want it in dapper-security, generate a debdiff against the current dapper package, then upload it to security-review
[03:31] <LaserJock> anybody know a good way to compare the "last modified" time on 2 files ?
[03:32] <LaserJock> in a shell script
[03:33] <crimsun> bddebian: in debian/changelog, you need to include brief descriptions of the security issue(s) and the fix(es) (reference the affected functions in said files), and point to the CVE # and Debian BTS report if available
[03:33] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:34] <crimsun> it's not difficult, just takes some effort.
[03:34] <bddebian> I personally think it's a waste of time for this package but I'm not sure what I "should" do
[03:34] <crimsun> a few of us have been doing it since hoary
[03:34] <crimsun> it's up to you. universe is best-effort.
[03:36] <crimsun> from a distro perspective, we certainly need increased security coverage
[03:36] <crimsun> from a pragmatic perspective for us [volunteers] , you need to decide whether it's worth the opportunity cost
[03:37] <bddebian> opportunity cost.. Hah.  I don't even know if anything I do is "worthwhile" :-)
[03:37] <crimsun> ok mister top-ten ubuntu contributor.
[03:37] <LaserJock> heh
[03:37] <bddebian> Gotta always throw something in my face dontcha :)
[03:37] <azeem> bddebian: depends on whether you evaluate this from your own or from our user's POV :)
[03:38] <bddebian> azeem: What do you mean by "this"?
[03:38] <crimsun> this issue that you raise
[03:38] <azeem> 'I don't even know if anything I do is "worthwhile"'
[03:38] <LaserJock> crimsun: where's the top-ten list?
[03:39] <bddebian> crimsun: Well I'm certainly not unwilling to do it but I would probably need help/guidance
[03:39] <bddebian> azeem: The users wouldn't even have a clue who I am :-)
[03:39] <azeem> bddebian: they would still appreciate it
[03:39] <crimsun> LaserJock: don't remember, sorry. bddebian pointed it to me last week.
[03:39] <azeem> giggle
[03:40] <bddebian> I did not
[03:40] <bddebian> Grr
[03:40] <LaserJock> I see a top-5
[03:40] <LaserJock> which is pretty predictable
[03:40] <bddebian> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[03:40] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:40] <LaserJock> wow #6
[03:41] <LaserJock> holly cow
[03:41] <crimsun> now you have proof. Anytime the deity says something about not being able to do something, just fling that back in his face. :D
[03:41] <azeem> bddebian: whoa, you've almost crossed the 1M karma line!
[03:41] <Fujitsu> Yep, it's a nice page...
[03:41] <Lathiat> haha
[03:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: you're #14 on bugs
[03:43] <bddebian> azeem: Aye, scary huh :-)
[03:43] <LaserJock> haha, rodarvus is on the bug list, poor guy
[03:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Were you at the meeting when I tried for core-dev?  Even they said that all my changes are small, etc, etc
[03:44] <crimsun> bddebian: I think actually you said that.
[03:44] <LaserJock> I think that was about main though
[03:44] <LaserJock> nobody doubts your contribution to Universe
[03:45] <bddebian> crimsun: Actually no, I didn't.  And while I don't disagree that I have done little for main and may not have deserved core-dev, not one person piped up in my "defense"
[03:46] <crimsun> bddebian: there was nothing to defend, nor is there anything "deserved". That's the wrong way to look at core-dev.
[03:47] <bddebian> Maybe defense was a poor choice of words and I didn't say I deserved anything
[03:47] <Fujitsu> So, the distribution-related karma only counts from 2006/08/01, doesn't it?
[03:48] <bddebian> Fujitsu: No clue, sorry
[03:48] <Fujitsu> I'm pretty sure that's what it said...
[03:49] <LaserJock> obviously that's why I'm not in the top 5
[03:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: ?
[03:49] <LaserJock> haha, sometimes I make myself laugh ;-)
[03:49] <bddebian> Oh, hehe :)
[03:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: You are off the chart.. :-)
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:50] <LaserJock> ohhh, here is the other top ubuntu contributor
[03:50] <crimsun> now our venerable Hobbsee is in not one but BOTH charts
[03:50] <bddebian> Both?
[03:50] <crimsun> both distro and bugs
[03:50] <bddebian> Oh
[03:50] <LaserJock> it's Miss #8 herself ;-)
[03:50] <crimsun> (not including translations right this moment, not to dismiss their importance)
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:51] <crimsun> yes you are in bugs
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:51] <Hobbsee> miss #8?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: which charts were these?
[03:51] <Fujitsu> I'm nowhere yet, no surprise :P
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ohh...in overall and bugs
[03:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: that doesn't count
[03:51] <crimsun> bahaha
[03:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you are on the bug list
[03:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why not?
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[03:51] <ajmitch> I'll be off that list soon enough
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yep, i eventually realised
[03:51] <LaserJock> yeah whatever
[03:52] <Hobbsee> apart from bragging rights, of course :P
[03:52] <crimsun> LaserJock: you don't need to be on either; you're already mister celebrity/raging ubuntu-aholic motu
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, I'm on it all all I get is shit.. ;-P
[03:53] <LaserJock> haha
[03:53] <crimsun> that's all we get from our users ;)
[03:53] <Fujitsu> crimsun, probably true.
[03:54] <LaserJock> nah
[03:54] <LaserJock> sometimes you get a appreciative person
[03:54] <LaserJock> it's cool
[03:55] <ajmitch> maybe you do..
[03:55] <Hobbsee_> argh, waht'd i miss?
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee_*, you really seem to have been having connection issues lately...
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee{_*}, probably...
[03:56] <LaserJock> hmm, apparently I haven't been doing much lately
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, rather.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the uni connection is a bit odd
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i dont know why this just dropped though
[03:57] <LaserJock> darn, I need to look through teams to join too
[03:57] <LaserJock> when did universe-sponsors come about?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: when i went for -core
[03:57] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, a couple of weeks back.
[03:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, gosh knows motu-science doesn't have enough to do ;-)
[03:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I missed that
[03:57] <LaserJock> heh, have you seen the list lately?
[03:57] <bddebian> I asked to join the games team and didn't even get accepted there.. :'-(
[03:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, is it up again?
[03:58] <LaserJock> gimme a sec and I'll have a fresh one for you
[03:58] <LaserJock> I need to go through bugs
[03:58] <bddebian> For me?  That's azeem's job now.. ;-P
[03:58] <LaserJock> I haven't uploaded anything for a while
[03:59] <LaserJock> I'm hardly even a MOTU these days :(
[03:59] <bddebian> yeah, celebrity has that affect ;-P
[03:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:59] <LaserJock> I guess :/
[04:00] <welshbyte> man that build is still chugging along
[04:00] <Hobbsee> yay.  i can get kopete backported
[04:00] <welshbyte> i feel like a gentoo user
[04:00] <bddebian> welshbyte: Still openvrml?
[04:00] <welshbyte> bddebian: yup
[04:00] <bddebian> welshbyte: Brutal isn't it
[04:00] <welshbyte> same file has been compiling for 7 hours
[04:00] <bddebian> Egads
[04:00] <bddebian> That's worse than glibc on GNU/Hurd :-)
[04:01] <Fujitsu> Yep, openvrml is large.
[04:01] <welshbyte> it might be faster if i had more memory but it's chewing up my big swap partition
[04:02] <welshbyte> my poor hard drive :(
[04:02] <bddebian> welshbyte: It killed my laptop, hence why I ask you to take a look :-)
[04:02] <bddebian> hehe
[04:02] <welshbyte> heh
[04:02] <welshbyte> it had better not fail after all this time ;)
[04:02] <LaserJock> woot, up to 87 outdated packages in Edgy :-)
[04:03] <Fujitsu> That'd be great...
[04:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just for science?
[04:03] <LaserJock> yep
[04:03] <welshbyte> what counts as outdated?
[04:04] <LaserJock> welshbyte: Debian unstable has a newer version
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i havent looked
[04:04] <LaserJock> hmm, and it looks like there might be a few NEW packages from Debian to pick up
[04:05] <Fujitsu> New ones? Fun.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:05] <bddebian> Fujitsu: What packages?
[04:06] <LaserJock> there are 27 science apps in Debian that Edgy doesn't have, most of them are non-free but I see a few dfsg ones came up
[04:06] <Fujitsu> Lessee... lcd4linux (bug #57068), drivel (bug #57073), and xchm (bug #57082).
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57068 in lcd4linux "Please review merge of lcd4linux" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57068
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57073 in drivel "Please review merge of drivel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57073
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57082 in xchm "Please review merge of xchm" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57082
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Acked sync requests should be approved, shouldn't they?
[04:07] <gnomefreak> btw just to inform everyone nvidia released the new drivers ;) they are kind of iffy (i have to work on htem tomorrow on edgy)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: acking == approving
[04:08] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Oh, I thought you meant on REVU
[04:08] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, one of mine was acked without being changed to Confirmed.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahh.  did they subscribe the archive anyway?
[04:09] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yes.
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, yay
[04:09] <bddebian> Don't subscribe ubuntu-archive for merges
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: then it doesnt really matter.
[04:10] <bddebian> Fujitsu: I'm looking at lcd4linux right now
[04:10] <Fujitsu> And I /do/ have a package on REVU, but I've not dealt with it lately.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: as long as keybuk sees the MOTU approving it, then he'll do the sync.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:10] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks Hobbsee.
[04:10] <Fujitsu> I haven't actually asked anybody to review it yet :P
[04:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:10] <Fujitsu> bddebian, looking at my sync?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> Kamping_Kaiser: something is really wrong with them so once i figure out what is needed i will let whomever is working on them know
[04:11] <Fujitsu> *merge
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: we are listening to you :P
[04:11] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I don't listen to you, as you'd sound pretty quiet from all the way over here :P
[04:11] <bddebian> Fujitsu: If it still requires Ubuntu changes, it is a merge NOT a sync and ubuntu-archive admins do not to merges
[04:11] <gnomefreak> right now the drivers are building thier own modules for X since they dont like ubuntu's modules i guess
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnomefreak, :/ fix a bug, but cant use the fix, wonderfull
[04:11] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I corrected myself.
[04:12] <gnomefreak> well if i get them working im hoping they fix the bug i reported today on nvidia
[04:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: sensible, really.  neither does the ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> (having my fonts will be awsome, i'm a month beyhind on debian-devel)
[04:15] <bddebian> Fujitsu: You debdiff'd the current Ubuntu version against your changes?
[04:15] <Fujitsu> I debdiffed my changes against the current Ubuntu one, yes.
[04:15] <bddebian> Ok
[04:18] <bddebian> Hmm, looks odd
[04:18] <Fujitsu> ?
[04:18] <Fujitsu> Which, lcd4linux?
[04:18] <bddebian> The only things that changed are the changelog and control?
[04:19] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[04:19] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:19] <bddebian> OK
[04:21] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i found i had trouble building that one, actually
[04:21] <Hobbsee> a while ago
[04:24] <LaserJock> darn it, it never ceases to amaze me how frustrating a terminal can be
[04:24] <Fujitsu> :O
[04:24] <Fujitsu> How, LaserJock?
[04:24] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Hmm, worked for me :)
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I just checked, and it builds fine.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Good, bddebian :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> this was a while ago
[04:24] <LaserJock> well, I usually run a dark background, so the default blue color for directories is hard to read
[04:25] <Hobbsee> like, a few weeks, i think
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Ah, yeah...
[04:25] <jabra> hey guys
[04:25] <LaserJock> so I set up a dircolors thing
[04:25] <LaserJock> but for the life of me I can't get my one box to take it
[04:26] <jabra> perl questions. how can I used man1pods with a Makefile.PL but still properly make a manpage.1
[04:26] <jabra> it can be created but the .TH says .1p
[04:27] <jabra> wondering if I can pass like a -s 1 options like pod2man
[04:27] <jabra> which would fix this
[04:27] <Quinn_Storm> hey guys, I know this might not be the best place to ask (but I have seen some of the other questions fly by), so anyhow...I'm adding an icon to cgwd-themer for its x-mimetype (application-x-cgwdtheme), and I wanted to know the proper ubuntu/debianized way of doing this
[04:29] <TheMuso> Yey. The xawtv build problem to do with asm/page.h is now fixed in Debian.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yay!
[04:29] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: indeed
[04:29] <TheMuso> I didn't want to do it again till I saw there was some evidence of the problem having been fixed somehow.
[04:30] <TheMuso> As it is nice to have a package build ok on all arches.
[04:32] <Fujitsu> Thanks, bddebian :)
[04:35] <bddebian> Fujitsu: I can't get the drivel diff to apply
[04:35] <Fujitsu> I'll check that out...
[04:38] <LaserJock> ok, I got the computer to display the colors right, but now when I log in from a different machine it doesn't work :/
[04:38] <Fujitsu> What fails, bddebian?
[04:41] <LaserJock> grrrr
[04:41] <LaserJock> it'll take more than a C++ compiler
[04:41] <Quinn_Storm> I dunno, those are some hairy beasts, lots of room to hide
[04:41] <LaserJock> maybe a Java VM
[04:41] <imbrandon> heh , whats up with your colors ? /me got in late on the convo
[04:41] <imbrandon> heya Quinn
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> hi
[04:42] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Now that I think about it, is this even valid?  You are losing the orig.tar.gz by doing it this way?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> I'm trying to figure out...what's the "proper" way to package an icon for a custom mime-type with a program?
[04:42] <LaserJock> imbrandon: bah, well I usually change the terminal colors (like blue for directories) because I use a black background
[04:42] <LaserJock> imbrandon: but for some reason my box wasn't taking the usual settings
[04:42] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm: your work gettign the xgl stuff into ubuntu with ajmitch got the attn of sabdfl yesterday ;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> imbrandon: now I got it fixed on the box, but when I login remotely it doesn't work
[04:43] <bddebian> Quinn_Storm: What does an icon have to do with mime-types?
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> imbrandon: cool
[04:43] <Fujitsu> bddebian, this is the way non-MOTUs are meant to do it.
[04:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ahh
[04:43] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Says who?
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> bddebian: its an icon for a mime-type, like a default icon so it doesn't show up as "unknown type" since it is known & handled
[04:43] <bddebian> Quinn_Storm: Ooohh, sorry, I mis-understood you
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> 'sok
[04:43] <bddebian> Quinn_Storm: Sorry, don't know that one
[04:44] <Quinn_Storm> I don't want to just blindly dump it into /usr/share/icons/default or whatever, because that just seems bad practice, I'm sure there's a real way
[04:44] <gnux123> How can I know that my packages are already uploaded in REVU?
[04:44] <bddebian> Fujitsu: You should probably be doing your debdiff against the latest Debian version
[04:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock: the remote login is handeled diff in the .bashrc/profile
[04:44] <bddebian> gnux123: Check LaunchPad?
[04:44] <imbrandon> gnux123: packages.ubuntu.com ;)
[04:44] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I just can't figure it out :-)
[04:45] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I thought that, but I was told on more than one occasion by more than one person that it should be between the Ubuntu versions.
[04:45] <imbrandon> hehe one sec i'll look, i think mine has diff setup for remote maybe i can give you an example
[04:45] <welshbyte> Quinn_Storm: a bit of googling tells me that debian follows http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[04:45] <bddebian> Fujitsu: If the versions are the same I would agree, but going from 1.8 to 1.9, I would disagree with whoever said that
[04:45] <bddebian> Of course, I am wrong often :-)
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> welshbyte: ok, I'll look into it ^-^
[04:46] <welshbyte> Quinn_Storm: i hope it's helpful ;)
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> yeah, though the spec is kinda weird...it kinda relies on apps to make sure they don't conflict in the namespace
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> which...IMO...is kinda dumb
[04:47] <LaserJock> yeah, never rely on upstream ;-)
[04:47] <Fujitsu> OK, I shall produce a diff between latest Debian and my new one. Wait a sec.
[04:47] <bddebian> Fujitsu: NP, thanks
[04:48] <welshbyte> dh_installicons would be tasty
[04:48] <welshbyte> if it existed
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> yeah..maybe there's something with the mime helpers that's already there...I mean the package already registers a mime-type
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Attached to the bug, bddebian.
[04:49] <gnux123> bddebian: is not yet there?
[04:49] <bddebian> gnux123: What's the package?
[04:51] <gnux123> asterisk_1.2.10.dfsg-3ubuntu2
[04:51] <gnux123> I use dput to upload it on revu.
[04:53] <bddebian> gah, someone just sent me an asterisk diff today.. Hmm
[04:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, mt dew fill fix anything
[04:54] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, a friend named his laptop flying-toaster, after that screensaver.
[04:54] <gnux123> Yah, I upload it yesterday?
[04:56] <imbrandon> hahah yea LaserJock
[04:57] <LaserJock> mine is electron, go figure
[04:57] <imbrandon> and a build machine called voyager and enterprise fileserver and challenger and birdofprey and hmmm a few others
[04:57] <LaserJock> ohhh noooo
[04:57] <LaserJock> a Trekie
[04:57] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:57] <imbrandon> heh
[04:58] <imbrandon> couldent rember enough sg1 planets , plus pxj-449 is kinda hard to rember
[04:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[04:58] <LaserJock> haha
[04:58] <imbrandon> heh sounds like hobbsee with "sarah" ;) i've been buggin her months to change it ;)
[04:59] <imbrandon> electron, thats kinda cool though
[04:59] <imbrandon> wifes called proton LaserJock ?
[04:59] <imbrandon> heh
[04:59] <LaserJock> one of the theoretical groups in the dept. used, luck chance fate chaos ,etc.
[05:00] <imbrandon> hahah sweet
[05:00] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Which package?  xchm?
[05:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no, my wife's laptop (yeah right) is electron. My desktop is proton
[05:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:00] <LaserJock> I also have a photon and lambda at work
[05:00] <bddebian> Oh, drivel
[05:00] <LaserJock> with all the lasers and all
[05:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:01] <imbrandon> nice
[05:01] <LaserJock> and we have a HP printer named motor as we are doing nanoscale motor research
[05:01] <imbrandon> hahahah cool , good your group atleaste has a nerd sense of humor ;)
[05:02] <LaserJock> my boss uses mountain names in the area though for his computers
[05:02] <imbrandon> lol i did that when i was in reno
[05:02] <imbrandon> mt names that is
[05:02] <LaserJock> well, one I really like is an organic chemistry lab that uses old west cowboys
[05:02] <imbrandon> i was going to do casino names but never got arround to it
[05:02] <LaserJock> earp, cody, annie, etc.
[05:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:03] <bddebian> Fujitsu: OK, close but the changelog isn't applying :-)
[05:03] <LaserJock> somehow I just can't imaging hilton peppermill atlantis nugget harahs
[05:03] <imbrandon> my old job in nashville the it group named them all star wars planets like kashyyyk , tatooine , coruscant , etc
[05:03] <imbrandon> it was kinda cool
[05:05] <imbrandon> and what got me started on cool/funny names instead of generic ones was, my first ISP named the dsn servers instead of ns1.domain.com ns2.domain.com it was itchy.domain.com and scratchy.domain.com ;)
[05:05] <imbrandon> i'll never forget that even though i forgot the isp LOL
[05:05] <Fujitsu> bddebian, that's really odd...
[05:06] <Fujitsu> I think we must be going from a different Debian version...
[05:06] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:06] <Fujitsu> Indeed, 2.0.3-2 has been released since I produced this.
[05:06] <Fujitsu> I'll redo it, wait a sec.
[05:08] <bddebian> Fujitsu: OK, sorry man
[05:08] <LaserJock> welshbyte: got an aristotle?
[05:08] <Fujitsu> No, my problem. I should have checked that :)
[05:09] <welshbyte> LaserJock: yup, it's in my parents' house :)
[05:09] <imbrandon> heh
[05:09] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:09] <Quinn_Storm> too many pbuilders?
[05:09] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[05:10] <LaserJock> if I had 3 I'd go, good bad ugly ;-)
[05:10] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm: thats basicly a chroot
[05:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:10] <Quinn_Storm> yep, but pbuilder does the boring work for me
[05:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:11] <gnux123> Yeah
[05:11] <LaserJock> I need to figure out how to use pbuilder more that way
[05:15] <Quinn_Storm> http://thestonepedo.pastebin.ca/148400 - my often-used 'release' script
[05:16] <welshbyte> bddebian: ...wrong.... just... wrong.
[05:16] <bddebian> heh
[05:17] <bddebian> welshbyte: Well at least you said vim and not Emacs so I won't beat you too badly ;-P
[05:17] <welshbyte> hehe
[05:17] <Quinn_Storm> so yeah, that is my bastard of a release script, it's very nice because all my cvs modules that I release as packages are easy to deal with
[05:18] <welshbyte> emacs is a nice operating system but it lacks a decent text editor
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:18] <LaserJock> who uses it as a text editor? ;-)
[05:18] <welshbyte> can't remember who said that
[05:18] <LaserJock> it's my PIM app
[05:18] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:18] <welshbyte> Quinn_Storm: me too :)
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> lol, my cell phone does that (pim)
[05:19] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I've redone it all.
[05:19] <LaserJock> I learned emacs a bit first, then learned vim (which I really like) and am back using emacs mostly
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> also I have a script, 'dchi', that increments the source version and resets the extra version string to -0ubuntu1
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> the strange things you need when you are both cvs maintainer and packager...
[05:20] <welshbyte> Quinn_Storm: btw do you use vim7? it has a command to copy hilighted (with visual mode) text to the X clipboard
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> ok cool, yeah, never learned of that command yet
[05:21] <welshbyte> it's "*y and you can paste from the clipboard with "*p
[05:22] <gnux123> welshbyte: can I actually copy that to x clipboard?
[05:22] <welshbyte> oops, no that wasn't the command, sorry... those were commands to copy between vims
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> though I should remember those too
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> I often tabbed terminal and wonder why I can't paste
[05:23] <welshbyte> ...or maybe it is :)
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:24] <gnux123> Im using different one. V mode then yank for copy and d for cut
[05:24] <tseng> its alot of script
[05:24] <tseng> thats for sure
[05:24] <bddebian> heh
[05:24] <tseng> not sure what else to say
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:26] <LaserJock> arggg, to many nested iterations
[05:27] <LaserJock> I'm good at iterating over many many things :-0
[05:27] <bddebian> Fujitsu: That did it. Testing build now :-)
[05:27] <Quinn_Storm> in what, LaserJock ?
[05:27] <LaserJock> a script I'm trying to write
[05:27] <Quinn_Storm> ah
[05:27] <LaserJock> some days I wish I was a real programmer :/
[05:27] <Quinn_Storm> for each in hell...
[05:28] <welshbyte> LaserJock: what, like the ones at microsoft? ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> no, like the ones here
[05:28] <welshbyte> good choice
[05:28] <LaserJock> right now I'm at if ... for ... for ... if
[05:29] <Fujitsu> Thanks bddebian.
[05:29] <LaserJock> I need to get smarter here
[05:29] <imbrandon> TheMuso: anyone grabed your xawtv yet ?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I need to test if $USER is in a particular group in /etc/group
[05:31] <Fujitsu> crimsun, what aspect of that page am I meant to look at?
[05:32] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[05:32] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[05:32] <Fujitsu> I left the PO difference when I remerged.
[05:34] <bddebian> I noticed that :-)
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> small bugs always try to creep in
[05:35] <Fujitsu> Erm, if you haven't gone too far, could you remove them, or shall I upload another diff?
[05:35] <bddebian> It's pbuilding now so it's up to you
[05:36] <Fujitsu> I should have probably checked that first when I remerged :(...
[05:36] <welshbyte> and large bugs just beat the door down while you're asleep
[05:37] <bddebian> hah
[05:37] <Quinn_Storm> this little warning...safe to ignore?  doesn't cause problems in the 'real world', but I hate seeing warnings... - W: compiz: package-relation-with-self depends: compiz
[05:38] <bddebian> Fujitsu: What did you want me to remove?
[05:38] <crimsun> bddebian: I've already uploaded it.
[05:38] <crimsun> it pbuilds/installs/upgrades/removes fine
[05:39] <welshbyte> Quinn_Storm: your package depends on itself?
[05:39] <crimsun> if you need to iron out the .po stuff, go ahead
[05:39] <bddebian> :-)
[05:39] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Now, fix xchm ;-)
[05:39] <Quinn_Storm> welshbyte: 'compiz' depends on 'compiz-core'...both come from the same source package
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> oh, LOL
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> wow, I didn't realize it
[05:40] <welshbyte> :)
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> compiz, incorrectly, depends on compiz, not compiz-core
[05:40] <welshbyte> good ol' lintian
[05:40] <bddebian> welshbyte: openvrml still building?
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> wait...someone actually uses vrml?
[05:41] <welshbyte> bddebian: yeah... i'm expecting it to finish sometime before my birthday
[05:41] <bddebian> hehe
[05:41] <bddebian> Quinn_Storm: None of us use this stuff, we just build it ;-P
[05:41] <crimsun> TheMuso: to avoid huge honkin' diffs, you _can_ generate them against the "latest version in Sid"
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[05:41] <Fujitsu> SHall do, bddebian.
[05:42] <Quinn_Storm> and they will come
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Thanks crimsun, bddebian.
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Is there an issue with xchm, bddebian?
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Another new version.
[05:42] <Fujitsu> This is what happens when merges sit around for a while :(
[05:43] <bddebian> Aye, sorry about that
[05:49] <Fujitsu> bddebian, new debdiff attached.
[05:50] <bddebian> crimsun: You gonna do that one too? :-)
[05:51] <crimsun> bddebian: no.
[05:53] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Are you sure that one can't just be synced?
[05:54] <crimsun> it can't be synced now, no.
[05:54] <bddebian> Why?
[05:54] <crimsun> because I uploaded it a while ago?
[05:54] <bddebian> xchm?
[05:54] <crimsun> oh, not xchm.
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Some people say to keep it because of that, others don't.
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Erm.
[05:55] <Fujitsu> What the...
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Te difference vanished.
[05:55] <bddebian> Fujitsu: ??  My desktop changes were put in the debian package weren't they?
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Something went really wrong when I remerged...
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Looks like they were.
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[05:56] <Fujitsu> Yes, it can be synced.
[05:56] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Bah, don't sweat it :-)
[05:57] <bddebian> Fujitsu: You want to just change your bug to a sync request and I'll approve?
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Why not?
[05:57] <Fujitsu> OK, I'll change it.
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Why shouldn't I sweat it? I should have noticed that.
[05:58] <TheMuso> crimsun: I put a diff between sid and Ubuntu did I not?
[05:58] <bddebian> Fujitsu: We all miss stuff, believe me :-)
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know why I would get "bad number" when comparing 2 integers in a shell script?
[05:59] <crimsun> make sure you're actually comparing 2 integers using the correct operator.
[05:59] <LaserJock> 1156387832 is ok but it doesn't like 1156380530
[05:59] <LaserJock> oh
[05:59] <crimsun> TheMuso: ah, I only read the last e-mail
[06:00] <LaserJock> doh
[06:00] <LaserJock> gotta but $ in front of those variables ;-)
[06:00] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I've modified the bug.
[06:02] <LaserJock> what's the difference between  /etc/group and /etc/group-
[06:05] <TheMuso> LaserJock: The latter is a backup afaik.
[06:05] <LaserJock> i see
[06:06] <TheMuso> But don't hold me to that.
[06:14] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks.
[06:37] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:39] <Sp4rKy> heya
[07:50] <Sp4rKy> anyone ?
[07:52] <gnux123> hello
[07:53] <Sp4rKy> gnux123, hi, do you know why i've all my files twice in a deb?
[07:54] <Sp4rKy> i've all the files over /usr/* and over /debian/foo/usr/
[07:54] <gnux123> For creating packages or installed?
[07:55] <Sp4rKy> for creating package
[07:55] <gnux123> I think it's just the debian way of creating packages
[07:56] <Sp4rKy> no, this a strange issue
[07:56] <Sp4rKy> i've to go
[07:56] <Sp4rKy> bye
[07:56] <gnux123> ok
[08:00] <gnux123> hello raphink
[08:00] <gnux123> Got this problem with the REVU
[08:00] <raphink> hi gnux123
[08:00] <raphink> gnux123: tell me ;)
[08:00] <gnux123> I upload my package yesterday
[08:00] <gnux123> and I can't see it on the site.
[08:10] <raphink> gnux123: let me see
[08:10] <raphink> gnux123: what's the name of the package
[08:10] <gnux123> Its asterisk package
[08:10] <raphink> ok
[08:11] <gnux123> I'll be waiting
[08:11] <raphink> gnux123: are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on LP?
[08:11] <gnux123> yes
[08:12] <gnux123> I just join yesterday
[08:12] <raphink> do you have your GPG key on LP aswell?
[08:12] <gnux123> I do
[08:13] <raphink> let me refresh the keyring then
[08:14] <gnux123> How will I know if my packages is in the Revu?
[08:15] <welshbyte> !revu
[08:15] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[08:15] <raphink> gnux123: I'll tell you in no time
[08:15] <raphink> as soon as your key is in
[08:16] <raphink> gnux123: let's wait 5 minutes for the cron
[08:16] <gnux123> ok
[08:24] <gnux123> thanks
[08:25] <gnux123> Is it ok for files to be name with user/group ID's
[08:26] <raphink> how do you mean?
[08:26] <raphink> ok I think asterisk got in
[08:26] <raphink> you should see it on REVU now
[08:27] <gnux123> yes
[08:27] <gnux123> With this one drwxrwx--- 2  109    109   1592 2006-08-25 14:25 asterisk?
[08:28] <raphink> gnux123: well if your package is well done, it should fix the mod when installing anyway
[08:28] <raphink> ;)
[08:28] <gnux123> I got this when purging asterisk
[08:29] <raphink> ok
[08:29] <raphink> I'm sorry I don't hav emuch time right now
[08:29] <raphink> I have to get ready for work
[08:29] <gnux123> ok thanks anyway
[08:29] <raphink> np
[09:21] <rob> imbrandon: ping
[09:21] <imbrandon> pong
[09:21] <imbrandon> rob ^^
[09:21] <rob> your the maintainer of kvirc?
[09:22] <imbrandon> no but i was the last to touch it the last few times ;)
[09:22] <imbrandon> so i guess psudoly
[09:22] <imbrandon> if thats a word heh
[09:22] <imbrandon> got an issue ?
[09:22] <crimsun> (no maintainers per se)
[09:22] <rob> oh, do you know whats up with the Freenode entry not pointing to freenode.net apparently?
[09:23] <imbrandon> nope i use konversation personaly but i'd be more than happy to look ( most likely its pointing to irc.debian.org like konvo way )
[09:23] <imbrandon> s/way/was
[09:24] <imbrandon> i'll grab it right now and look though
[09:24] <rob> nalioth pointed it out earlier
[09:24] <rob> he's going to log a bug I think, but I thought I'd ask
[09:25] <imbrandon> okies, tell him to go ahead and log the bug and i'll close it when i upload the fix
[09:25] <rob> ok, great :)
[09:25] <rob> thanks for that imbrandon
[09:25] <imbrandon> np ;)
[09:26] <rob> he's asleep now, I'll remind him later :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> okies
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Oh no.. Not this again :P
[09:29] <rob> oh?
[09:29] <imbrandon> rob: oh real fast , is chat.freenode or irc.freenode the prefered connection ? or does it matter ?
[09:29] <rob> doesn't matter
[09:29] <imbrandon> k
[09:40] <Arbiter> hi Gloubiboulga, slomo and Hobbsee  :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[09:41] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[09:41] <slomo> hi Arbiter :)
[09:41] <Arbiter> while i'm waiting for review of my other packages... :D
[09:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:41] <Arbiter> yesterday Gloubiboulga helped on that ;)
[09:42] <Arbiter> hehehehe :D
[09:42] <gnux123> Anyone interested to review my packages at revu?
[09:42] <gnux123> Hi Arbiter
[09:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: should be very afraid
[09:42] <Arbiter> hi cbx33 :)
[09:42] <Arbiter> hi gnux123
[09:42] <cbx33> hi Arbiter
[09:42] <gnux123> :)
[09:43] <Gloubiboulga> hello Arbiter, hello everyone
[09:43] <Arbiter> :)
[09:47] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[09:48] <Arbiter> good morning Toadstool
[09:48] <gnux123> Good Morning
[09:49] <Toadstool> hi Arbiter, gnux123
[09:57] <gnux123> Is it bad to postrm "purge" configuration files for a package?
[09:58] <crimsun> bad? no. That's one of its purposes.
[10:00] <gnux123> Then why is this happening to some packages?
[10:01] <crimsun> eh?
[10:01] <Toadstool> uh? what do you mean?
[10:01] <Toadstool> hi crimsun
[10:01] <crimsun> hi Toadstool
[10:01] <crimsun> if you use purge, then it should remove conffiles
[10:02] <gnux123> Im packaging asterisk right now and looking at its postrm configurations are not remove.
[10:03] <Toadstool> gnux123: usually there's a case $1 in\n  purge) etc. to determine whether the user asked for a purge or not
[10:03] <gnux123> like this one http://pastebin.com/775509
[10:04] <Toadstool> yep
[10:05] <Toadstool> hum dunno if purging a package should remove log files though
[10:05] <Toadstool> crimsun: ^ ?
[10:05] <gnux123> How bout that crimsun?
[10:05] <crimsun> it's legal to remove the log directory if it's empty, yes, but never if it's non-empty
[10:06] <gnux123> I learn again:). Thanks for the info
[10:07] <crimsun> wow, rm -fR?
[10:07] <crimsun> that's sick
[10:08] <Toadstool> wow...
[10:08] <gnux123> How do you package upstream packages?
[10:08] <StevenK> crimsun: It's a bit brutal, but I don't think if Policy expressively forbids it.
[10:09] <crimsun> StevenK: right, I was attempting to locate a specific exception but couldn't find one
[10:09] <StevenK> I only have a passing familiarity with Policy, so I could be wrong.
[10:16] <Toadstool> "Log files should be removed when the package is purged" policy 10.8
[10:17] <gnux123> Debian Policy
[10:17] <StevenK> Ah ha!
[10:17] <imbrandon_> ok bash guys , i wanna grep a dir for a string in a file , my limited bash skills came up with "cat -R *|grep blah" but that wont show me the file its in
[10:17] <Toadstool> :)
[10:18] <Toadstool> imbrandon_: "grep -r blah *" works just fine
[10:18] <imbrandon_> k thanks
[10:18] <gnux123> Toadstool:Right...:)
[10:18] <imbrandon_> like i said limited bash useage ;)
[10:18] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:18] <Toadstool> np ;)
[10:18] <Hobbsee> cool!
[10:18] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee!
[10:19] <Hobbsee> heya Toadstool!
[10:19] <imbrandon_> btw moins Toadstool StevenK and crimsun ;)
[10:19] <crimsun> Toadstool: ah, cool
[10:19] <crimsun> well, at least it's Policy even if I disagree with it
[10:19] <crimsun> 'lo (again) imbrandon_
[10:19] <Toadstool> 'lo imbrandon_
[10:24] <crimsun> flight to catch in a few hours, see y'all
[10:24] <Hobbsee> wb dholbach
[10:25] <dholbach> re :)
[10:25] <Toadstool> hi dholbach
[10:25] <gnux123> hello dholbach
[10:28] <gnux123> How hard is to maintained packages? opinion, experience...
[10:28] <Toadstool> it depends on the package ;)
[10:29] <gnux123> Multiple bin? Libs?
[10:46] <Arbiter> I need reviews for the following packages: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2955 (ktagebuch) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2953 (knowit) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2952 (kcmpureftpd). Thanks.
[11:08] <welshbyte> wow... openvrml has finally finished building
[11:08] <welshbyte> it took 18 hours
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> It is an impressive beast...
[11:09] <welshbyte> that's one word for it :)
[11:09] <grexk> woooo
[11:09] <grexk> when did you start it?
[11:11] <welshbyte> 18 hours ago ;)
[11:12] <grexk> let me count
[11:12] <welshbyte> it was munching around 1.5GB of memory at some points
[11:13] <grexk> Its 5.12Pm from 23:00AM?
[11:13] <grexk> waaa
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:23] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[04:23] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[06:06] <Sp4rKy> hi
[06:06] <bddebian> Heya Sp4rKy.  Any luck yet? :-)
[06:06] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, yep
[06:07] <bddebian> Sweet.  Was it the .install file?
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> yes
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> thanks Gloubiboulga :D
[06:07] <bddebian> Awesome
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> just a small question
[06:07] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> does exist any option for log output in a file during pbuilder ?
[06:07] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Sorry, you've used up your quota.. ;-P
[06:07] <bddebian>  > foo.log 2>&1 ?
[06:08] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[06:09] <Toadstool> Sp4rKy: I use pbuilder [options]  | tee buildlog
[06:09] <Toadstool> hi all
[06:10] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:11] <Sp4rKy> Toadstool, bddebian k thx
[06:11] <Toadstool> hey bddebian! what's up?
[06:12] <bddebian> Toadstool: Same old grunt work, thanks.  You?
[06:13] <Toadstool> bddebian: Preparing my moving to San Diego
[06:13] <Toadstool> one week left :)
[06:13] <bddebian> Oh nice, San Diego is one of my favorite areas in California
[06:14] <ryanakca> Can someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939  please?
[06:14] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i'd tried 2>&1 > foo.log :/
[06:14] <bddebian> ryanakca: I did :-)
[06:15] <Toadstool> ryanakca: give me a few seconds and I'll have a look at it
[06:15] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You did "sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc > foo.log 2>&1" ?
[06:15] <ryanakca> bddebian: two people need to review & advocate before it gets into repos... right?
[06:15] <bddebian> ryanakca: Aye, just wasn't sure if you saw that :)
[06:20] <geser> Sp4rKy: add --pkgname-logfile to build
[06:20] <geser> you will get a logfile in the results dir
[06:20] <ryanakca> Toadstool: thanks
[06:20] <ryanakca> bddebian: lol
[06:34] <Sp4rKy> geser, thx
[06:35] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i did "sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc 2>&1 > foo.log" , didn't work
[06:40] <Toadstool> ryanakca: added a few comments on eqonomize
[06:40] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Aye, it wouldn't
[06:41] <trappist> if there's a patch in debian/patches that needs fixing, do I just fix it and make a debdiff, or what?
[06:45] <bddebian> trappist: It depends on the change.  If it's trivial, sometimes you can just get away with modifying the patch itself
[06:45] <trappist> bddebian: yeah it's just a typo
[06:45] <trappist> bddebian: what do I send to launchpad?  a debdiff that patches the patch?
[06:45] <bddebian> trappist: Personnally, I would just update the patch file then
[06:46] <trappist> right... but then what do I send to launchpad?  I don't have upload rights on anything
[06:47] <LaserJock> trappist: if it's like a one liner or something I'd just upload a patch to the patch
[06:47] <trappist> LaserJock: that's what I'm looking for, thanks
[06:47] <LaserJock> but if it needs explaining you should create a changelog and upload a debdiff, IMO
[06:47] <bddebian> trappist: Oh, sorry
[06:47] <trappist> bddebian: :)
[06:52] <welshbyte> ello all
[06:53] <bddebian> welshbyte!!!!!!
[06:53] <welshbyte> bddebian!!
[06:55] <bddebian> welshbyte: Are you an Ubuntu member yet?
[06:56] <welshbyte> bddebian: no.. should i be? :)
[06:56] <bddebian> welshbyte: Of course :)
[06:56] <bddebian> welshbyte: You are my new hero ;-P
[06:56] <welshbyte> hehe
[06:56] <welshbyte> because i slayed the evil openvrml? :P
[06:57] <bddebian> And gnu-smalltalk, and ipac-ng :-)
[06:57] <welshbyte> don't forget prismstumbler ;)
[06:58] <welshbyte> so how does one become a ubuntu member?
[06:58] <Sp4rKy> how could i add a package from a repository (local) ?
[07:00] <welshbyte> Sp4rKy: if you have the .deb file then you can use sudo dpkg -i foo.deb to install it, otherwise you'd need to add the repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:01] <welshbyte> though i might have misread your meaning of the word "add"
[07:01] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> i want add a package to a repository which will be usuable for other users
[07:02] <welshbyte> ah
[07:02] <welshbyte> in that case... i dunno :)
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:02] <geser> create a Packages file with apt-ftparchive
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> geser, i think there is alr"eady a Packages file
[07:03] <geser> and add an entry to source.list pointing to your repository
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> geser no
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> the repository already exists
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> i just want add a soft TO this repository
[07:03] <geser> then you need to recreate the Packages file
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> k
[07:04] <Sp4rKy> juste do it
[07:04] <Sp4rKy> ?
[07:04] <geser> how was this repository created?
[07:04] <LaserJock> I used dput and mini-dinstall, I think when I did it
[07:04] <Sp4rKy> i don't know, this is the problem :/
[07:04] <Sp4rKy> geser, personnally i use reprepro
[07:05] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: you probably should find what repo tool is used
[07:05] <Sp4rKy> :p
[07:06] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, hmmm, how can i do ?
[07:06] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: ask the person running the repo
[07:06] <geser> is it simple one directory or does it have a pool/ directory?
[07:06] <LaserJock> if you are uploading to their repo I assume you are communicating to them ;-)
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, he 's in holiday :/
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> geser, have a pool direcotry
[07:07] <tritium> bddebian: what came of your request to sync mythtv from debian-multimedia.org?
[07:07] <Sp4rKy> http://e17.tuxfamily.org/
[07:07] <bddebian> tritium: Still sitting on LP :-(
[07:08] <tritium> bddebian: okay, thanks...
[07:08] <LaserJock> tritium!
[07:08] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:08] <bddebian> welshbyte: You add your name to the list :-)
[07:09] <tritium> Hi LaserJock :)
[07:09] <bddebian> wb Arbiter :-)
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock, geser seems use apt-ftparchive for creating repository
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> apt-ftparchive generate -q=0 scripts/apt-ftparchive.conf
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> apt-ftparchive -c scripts/apt-release.conf release dists/$SUITE/ >dists/$SUITE/Release
[07:12] <Arbiter> where's a list of unofficial repos for ubuntu?
[07:13] <Arbiter> found
[07:13] <Arbiter> :)
[07:14] <Sp4rKy> so, how can i add a deb ?
[07:14] <tritium> bddebian: I hate to say it, but I am putting either etch or knoppmyth on my htpc
[07:16] <bddebian> ACK, traitor! :-)
[07:16] <tritium> bddebian: sorry ;)
[07:17] <bddebian> tritium: Just add the debian-multimedia repo and install mythtv from there! :)
[07:18] <tritium> bddebian: yeah, I was just trying that now actually
[07:18] <bddebian> tritium: Should work, I asked for a straight sync of it
[07:18] <tritium> bddebian: sync would be from source.  Which binary repo would you use?
[07:19] <bddebian> tritium: Oh, hang on
[07:20] <bddebian> tritium: http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia
[07:21] <tritium> bddebian: thanks.  Is that a mirror of his unstable repo?
[07:21] <bddebian> Aye
[07:21] <tritium> bddebian: ok, thanks.  Was mostly asking about stable/testing/unstable
[07:21] <bddebian>  unstable, sorry
[07:22] <tritium> no problem, thanks again :)
[07:22] <AnAnt> isn't there a way to resume a dput upload instead of restarting it ?
[07:24] <AnAnt> I have a problem packaging a library (fsplib), it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. so I got fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file
[07:24] <AnAnt> which contains: usr/include/*
[07:24] <AnAnt> yet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs !
[07:26] <AnAnt> anyone knows what may cause that ?
[07:26] <tritium> bddebian: eww, dependency mess
[07:27] <AnAnt> bddebian: so what do you say about crimsun's comment that I sent you ?
[07:29] <bddebian> tritium: I wondered about that :-(
[07:29] <bddebian> AnAnt: I'm sorry, please refresh my memory
[07:30] <AnAnt> AnAnt: about elinks
[07:30] <AnAnt> errr
[07:30] <AnAnt> bddebian: about elinks
[07:30] <AnAnt> I must be crazy talking to myself
[07:30] <ryanakca> Lintian complains about rpath being defined in /usr/bin/eqonomize. You should fix this.                how do I fix it?
[07:31] <ryanakca> I have no clue what "rpath" is, even
[07:31] <AnAnt> bddebian: the 3 issues in the elinks package, that I beleive that those issues exist in the package which is already in the edgy repos
[07:31] <AnAnt> bddebian: I sent a memo about it about 24 hours ago
[07:32] <bddebian> AnAnt: As I said before, I would just make a note on the REVU page stating that those errors exist in the current package, if you aren't going to fix them.
[07:33] <AnAnt> ok, than manpage thing, you know how to fix it ?
[07:33] <AnAnt> bddebian: and that pkg-not-in-package-test ?
[07:34] <AnAnt> that second issue I know that it occurs in packages that have several build targets
[07:34] <AnAnt> but dunno what to do about it
[07:37] <bddebian> AnAnt: To be honest, no, I am not sure how to fix either one, sorry
[07:37] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ping   ... couple questions
[07:38] <Toadstool> yep?
[07:39] <Toadstool> ryanakca: ?
[07:39] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ok... rpath?  lost me there... lintian doesn't output anything about it... and to be honest... have no clue what it is, let alone fix it...
[07:40] <ryanakca> Toadstool: all I see about rPath on google is that it's a linux distro
[07:40] <Toadstool> ryanakca: "W: eqonomize: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/eqonomize /usr/lib:/lib"
[07:40] <Toadstool> it's bad  :)
[07:41] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[07:41] <ryanakca> so is that packaging error somewhere? or is it something in source code?
[07:41] <Toadstool> source code
[07:42] <Toadstool> wait, trying to find some doc for you
[07:42] <ryanakca> *gulps* now I'm mortified
[07:42] <ryanakca> I'm just starting to learn C... let alone cpp
[07:43] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[07:43] <Toadstool> don't worry, it's just a tiny fix
[07:43] <cypher1> Toadstool, what is it about ?
[07:44] <ryanakca> Toadstool: let me guess, I'll have to use a patch system for the fix?
[07:44] <Toadstool> cypher1: eqonomize defines a rpath in my amd64 pbuilder at least
[07:45] <Toadstool> ryanakca: you can have a look at lesstif2 if you want to have an example
[07:45] <Toadstool> ryanakca: apt-get source lesstif2 and examine debian/fixrpath and debian/rules
[07:46] <ryanakca> kk
[07:46] <Toadstool> and if you have further questions, ping me ;)
[07:46] <ryanakca> ping :)
[07:47] <Toadstool> lol
[07:48] <ryanakca> Copyright... what else is there... I looked threw COPYING... theres nothing other than the GPL...
[07:48] <Toadstool> ryanakca: grep -rin copyright * ^^
[07:49] <Toadstool> there are a few copyright notices in the source files you have to mention in your debian/copyright
[07:50] <ryanakca> Toadstool: so what do I add... something like:   admin/ltmain.sh Copyright (C) 2003  Free Software Foundation, Inc.           etcetcetc?
[07:50] <Toadstool> no, not those :p
[07:51] <Toadstool> "Copyright (c) 2004 Bram Schoenmakers <bramschoenmakers@kde.nl>" in src/kdatepickerpopup.h for example
[07:51] <ryanakca> oh, so the src/* ones?
[07:52] <Toadstool> yeah
[07:52] <ryanakca> and what about the ones in the main source dir, like:
[07:52] <ryanakca> acinclude.m4   Copyright (C) 1997 Janos Farkas (chexum@shadow.banki.hu)
[07:52] <ryanakca> or is that a "safe to ignore" case?
[07:53] <Toadstool> you can skip those related to file automatically generated by the autotools
[07:53] <Toadstool> *files
[07:54] <ryanakca> kk, thanks :)
[07:55] <ryanakca> I'll hunt you down later... if ever I figure out that rpath thingy
[07:55] <Toadstool> ok
[08:14] <bddebian> welshbyte: Still around?
[08:14] <welshbyte> aye
[08:14] <bddebian> heh
[08:14] <welshbyte> (visiting the parents this weekend)
[08:14] <bddebian> welshbyte: You running Edgy?
[08:14] <bddebian> Oh
[08:14] <welshbyte> sadly not
[08:14] <bddebian> welshbyte: You are fired ;-P
[08:15] <welshbyte> bddebian: bah, what was the task going to be?
[08:16] <bddebian> I need someone to test a desktop file for flight-of-the-amazon-queeen :)
[08:17] <welshbyte> sounds like a fun package
[08:18] <bddebian> Any Edgy users about?
[08:19] <tseng> whats to test in a desktop file?
[08:19] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ok, ./debian/fixrpath is supposed to be executed right after ./configure is run.... but, in cdbs, how would I get it to run after config, but before the install?
[08:19] <ryanakca> bddebian: yep
[08:20] <ryanakca> bddebian: what tseng said
[08:20] <bddebian> tseng: I don't have any working Edgy boxes (at least for Gnome)
[08:21] <bddebian> tseng: Just want to make sure it gets installed and kicks off properly.  It's a scummvm thing so I'm not sure the app will start properly
[08:27] <ryanakca> bddebian: send me the package and I'll test it for you... or the source :)
[08:29] <bddebian> ryanakca: Do you have a decent connection?
[08:29] <ryanakca> I can go upto 800kb/s
[08:29] <bddebian> Nice, OK
[08:30] <ryanakca> but most of the time, around 300kb/s
[08:30] <ryanakca> depends on the mood of my ISP :)
[08:31] <bddebian> ryanakca: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/amazon_queen/
[08:33] <ryanakca> ewww... 44kb/s
[08:35] <Sp4rKy> what's the architecture param for 64 bit computer ?
[08:36] <ryanakca> bddebian: that for a 386/686, right?
[08:38] <Sp4rKy> i64 ?
[08:39] <ryanakca> no clue... I stay away from 64... look at kernels... it'll tell you what all the arch are
[08:39] <geser> ia64 is itanium and x86_64 is amd64/em64t
[08:39] <Sp4rKy> geser, k
[08:40] <bddebian> ryanakca: Yep
[08:40] <CarlFK> anyone have some advice on how I should install PythonMagic on dapper?  (is there a .deb, ?)
[08:41] <ryanakca> bddebian: kk, phew... it would suck if I was downloading a 64 deb... 50%... 30kb/s...
[08:41] <bddebian> CarlFK: apt-get install python2.4-magic?
[08:41] <CarlFK> I don't think that is the same magic
[08:41] <ryanakca> bddebian: is it your bad connection, mine or one of our ISPs being a pain?
[08:41] <bddebian> ryanakca: Probably my upload speed.  It's governed :-(
[08:42] <ryanakca> governed?
[08:42] <bddebian> limited
[08:42] <ryanakca> oh... wonder why... :(
[08:42] <bddebian> I get like 10Mb down and only like 384k up
[08:42] <bddebian> So I don't run porn sites out of my house :-)
[08:42] <ryanakca> I'm supposed to get 10mb down, but I never do...
[08:42] <ryanakca> lol
[08:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... what do they mean by "editing patches"? creating them? I can't see any point in editing one...
[08:45] <bddebian> ryanakca: I don't know the context but probably directly editing an existing patch file instead of creating a new one
[08:46] <CarlFK> how can I find what depends on imagemagick?
[08:46] <bddebian> CarlFK: apt-cache rdepends imagemagick
[08:46] <CarlFK> tx
[08:46] <bddebian> Of course that doesn't do build-depends
[08:47] <bddebian> ryanakca: That sucker finish yet?  I have to download beneath-a-steel-sky yet and that thing is bigger than amazon queen :-(
[08:48] <CarlFK> it is enough to convince me there is no PythonMagick package
[08:48] <ryanakca> bddebian: 96%
[08:48] <ryanakca> oh god... I'd put a warning in debian/control... "WARNING: DO NOT DOWNLOAD UNLESS YOU HAVE A GOOD CONNECTION!"
[08:49] <ryanakca> done
[08:49] <Toadstool> ryanakca: http://revu.tauware.de/~jcorbier/dolphin.diff <-- a patch I made to help someone else
[08:49] <bddebian> CarlFK: What is this PythonMagick that you are trying to use?
[08:49] <CarlFK> http://www.python.net/crew/zack/pymagick/
[08:49] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ty, for? cdbs?
[08:50] <Toadstool> cdbs, fixrpath
[08:51] <ryanakca> bddebian:   Package scummvm is not installed.
[08:51] <bddebian> ryanakca: It's not a depends?
[08:52] <ryanakca> Toadstool: nice, thanks... from what I understand of the patch... add the "configure" section, except change it to "configure/eqonomize::"?
[08:53] <Toadstool> ryanakca: yep, that's it
[08:53] <ryanakca> bddebian: http://pastebin.ca/149362
[08:53] <bddebian> ryanakca: Aye, please do an apt-get -f install
[08:54] <ryanakca> imbrandon: konversation is awesome... I'd add a dialog for history if I knew how though...
[08:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:56] <ryanakca> much better than that dapper one anywais... and now they have the auto-replace so that I can re-kidnap .se.veas.'s smile
[08:57] <imbrandon> lol
[08:57] <ryanakca> I remember bugging them for that a while back :-)
[09:02] <ryanakca> bddebian: works... this looks kindof interesting :)
[09:02] <CarlFK> swell - Get the  PythonMagick distribution ... ftp://ftp.lems.brown.edu/pub/turtles/magick/pymagick-0.1a7.tar.gz  404
[09:03] <ryanakca> bddebian: no icon though
[09:03] <bddebian> ryanakca: Aye, I know :-(
[09:10] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know how I can find extentions for FF 2?
[09:11] <LaserJock> or are there just none yet
[09:12] <geser> some extensions support already FF2 but not all
[09:13] <LaserJock> is there an easy way to find which ones do and don't? it seem sort of trial-and-error
[09:13] <CarlFK> found it: http://www.imagemagick.org/download/python/PythonMagick-0.6.tar.gz
[09:14] <geser> addons.mozilla.org lists the supported versions on the seperate page for each extension
[09:15] <geser> sometimes one can find an development version supporting FF2 on the homepage of the extension
[09:33] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:16] <ryanakca> LaserJock: Some of them work, some of them don't, it's mainly trial and error... same with the themes...
[10:16] <[Utah] tristanbob> has anyone used alien to convert RPMs to Debs?
[10:17] <LaserJock> I have in the past
[10:17] <[Utah] tristanbob> how successful was it?
[10:17] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I found some anyway :-)
[10:17] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: without tweaking
[10:17] <LaserJock> [Utah] tristanbob: pretty well
[10:17] <ryanakca> LaserJock: good... I just wish iFox was available for 2.0
[10:17] <[Utah] tristanbob> what type of RPM works best, RHEL, FC4, FC5, etc?
[10:18] <[Utah] tristanbob> I am trying to create a Debian package for "Net::SSH::Perl" based on an RPM
[10:19] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure if it matters much
[10:19] <LaserJock> I remember making OO.o .debs from RPMs and I did a packaging project based on aliened RPMs
[10:19] <LaserJock> the content itself isn't too bad
[10:20] <LaserJock> you just need to look at the deps (the ones I've seen are all versioned when they don't have to be)
[10:22] <[Utah] tristanbob> Laserjock - How do I check the dependancies on the deb that was created?
[10:23] <LaserJock> extract the control info
[10:23] <LaserJock> dpkg -e I think
[10:25] <[Utah] tristanbob> yes, that did it - created a folder called DEBIAN
[10:26] <LaserJock> yep
[10:26] <LaserJock> in DEBIAN is control
[10:26] <ryanakca> LaserJock: so... no sudo with pbuilder?
[10:26] <LaserJock> ryanakca: hmm?
[10:26] <ryanakca> hmm... then it wasn't you...
[10:27] <ryanakca> I was having a conversation with someone a couple of days ago about weither or not you should use sudo with pbuilder
[10:27] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: yes, there is a short control file and a MD5SUMS file
[10:27] <[Utah] tristanbob> I assume it placed the source files where they are listed in the md5sums file?
[10:30] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[10:33] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: thanks for your help - I just cannot wrap my brain around debian packaging
[10:33] <LaserJock> what do you want to know
[10:33] <LaserJock> ?
[10:34] <LaserJock> do you want to create a debian source package from the RPM?
[10:34] <LaserJock> is a source tarball available?
[10:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> I have read several packaging guides...
[10:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> well the perl module is in CPAN
[10:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> net::ssh::perl
[10:35] <[Utah] tristanbob> so, yes
[10:36] <LaserJock> then it would probably be better to start from there rather then an rpm
[10:36] <LaserJock> although the control file you extracted could help when trying to figure out dependecies
[10:37] <geser> if you want to see depends and other info of a deb-file: dpkg-deb -I filename.deb
[10:41] <[Utah] tristanbob> the control file is VERY short
[10:41] <[Utah] tristanbob> geser: thanks, I will use that
[10:42] <geser> if you need the contents of a deb-file use -c
[10:43] <[Utah] tristanbob> geser: also useful - thanks
[10:44] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: as you said, I think the best thing would be to build the package from scratch
[10:44] <[Utah] tristanbob> since it is a perl module, I could look at the deb packages for similar modules
[10:44] <[Utah] tristanbob> using the commands that geser mentioned
[10:44] <ryanakca> LaserJock: can I update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto so that it doesn't include the "sudo" part? you can easily run pbuilder without sudo
[10:46] <LaserJock> ryanakca: hmm, I'm not sure
[10:46] <LaserJock> ryanakca: perhaps email the ubuntu-motu list and see what people think
[10:47] <LaserJock> I would think there was a reason, but maybe not :-)
[10:47] <ryanakca> kk
[10:53] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: would you recommend I follow the debhelper method described in the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[10:54] <LaserJock> [Utah] tristanbob: yeah
[10:54] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:35] <ryanakca> why do I get a bunch of these errors while running pbuilder?
[11:35] <ryanakca> dpkg-architecture: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)
[11:36] <LaserJock> cause
[11:36] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:37] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I can't remember the specific reason, but it is a known thing
[11:42] <ryanakca> kk
[11:55] <ryanakca> LaserJock: could you please review eqonomize for me? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939
[11:56] <ryanakca> Toadstool: ping
[12:01] <LaserJock> ryanakca: is that a new package or a update?
[12:04] <LaserJock> ryanakca: and do you really need a dep on patchutils?
[12:04] <ryanakca> erm... I had removed that I thought...
[12:05] <ryanakca> LaserJock: new package
[12:05] <ryanakca> darn'it... it never was removed... I'll fix it... sorry 'bout that
[12:05] <LaserJock> the url you gave was for an older upload ;-)
[12:06] <LaserJock> nah, you fixed it
[12:06] <ryanakca> lol, phew
[12:06] <ryanakca> I was looking at my control wondering where the bleep it was