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| cbx33 | HEY rodarvus | 12:18 |
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| rodarvus | hi cbx33 | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | rodarvus: hi! | 12:19 |
| rodarvus | hi LaserJock! | 12:19 |
| rodarvus | it is about time I should be in bed, but I'm not feeling like it, really | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | rodarvus: and how is the X master and Edubuntu chief doing today? | 12:19 |
| rodarvus | I'm not edubuntu chief :) (and really just temporary X mantainer, until we can find the right person to hire ;) ) | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | fine | 12:21 |
| rodarvus | but I'm fine, thanks for asking - a little tired after a rather busy week | 12:22 |
| rodarvus | eager to get back home soon, etc | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | yes, I bet | 12:22 |
| rodarvus | these developers conferences are great, but you *really* want to get back home after a whole week | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | must be exhasting | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | rodarvus: so how is the distro sprint compared to the developer summit? | 12:31 |
| rodarvus | really different | 12:33 |
| rodarvus | it was totally "getting work done" oriented | 12:33 |
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| rodarvus | paris sprint was a lot of brainstorming | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | where is the next sprint gonna be? | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to turn into a shell programmer here | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | sprint or summit? | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, go go go | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | summit | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | not exactly sure, rodarvus might know better than me | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | I've heard Brazil and LA/San Diego | 12:36 |
| rodarvus | next summit is supposed to happen in November, after Edgy is released | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | don't take my word as official, though | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | no commited place, until now | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | (no really reason to be in Brazil though, in my humble opinion, its too far from europe and US) | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but the food sounds great! | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | haha | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | true | 12:39 |
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| cbx33 | rodarvus, has there been any places tooted? | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | food is great here | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | in a general sense, yes | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | I don't have details on it, though | 12:40 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, canonical is talking north america | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | north america? | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | doh | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | woohoo | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 12:40 |
| Burgwork | vancouver was raised as a good place | 12:40 |
| Burgwork | by me | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | if I get funding that is | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | north america would be great, in my opinion (but again, don't take it as official, or even as an indication it would be there) | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: of course ;-) | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | I just think it would be nice to have a conference there for the first time | 12:41 |
| Burgwork | mine is from a night of drinking with the canonical crew, so don't believe me either | 12:41 |
| bddebian | Hello | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | the big pro would be to have more contributions from US | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | I think Vancouver would be excellent | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | the big con is that its getting harder and harder for strangers to go to US | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:41 |
| Burgwork | vanoucver removes that issue | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | of course those silly people up north already got Montreal ;-) | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | it would be nice to have good internet, it seems like a big annoyance when the connection isn't great | 12:43 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | anyone know how to help me with my network | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | I have an ipw2200 device | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | I just modprobed the driver | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | but how do I set it up | 12:44 |
| rodarvus | type iwconfig | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | shows nothing | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | :( | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | if the card is recognized (probably as wlan0) | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | nope | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | i ge a big fat 0 | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | you just have to configure it on System->Administration->Networking | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | oh | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | thats strange | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | ipw2200 is pretty straightforward | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | lspci shows it is present | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | 0000:02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys, A Division of Cisco Systems [AirConn] INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01) | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | any other ideas? | 12:46 |
| rodarvus | nothing extra should be needed | 12:47 |
| rodarvus | does dmesg tells you anything? | 12:47 |
| cbx33 | hang on | 12:47 |
| cbx33 | [4305010.395000] ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.1 | 12:47 |
| cbx33 | [4305010.395000] ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation | 12:47 |
| cbx33 | [4305010.395000] Warning: PCI driver ipw2200 has a struct device_driver shutdown method, please update! | 12:47 |
| rodarvus | it was apparently recognized correctly | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:49 |
| crimsun | is this dapper or edgy? | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | dapper | 12:49 |
| crimsun | $ grep -i ipw /proc/interrupts | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | nothing | 12:50 |
| crimsun | that's problematic. | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | any ideas o wise one ? | 12:50 |
| crimsun | xt-pic or io-apci being used? | 12:50 |
| crimsun | io-apic, even | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | how do I check? | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | as I'm not sure? | 12:51 |
| crimsun | err | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | ok nm | 12:51 |
| crimsun | INPROCOMM IPN 2220 apparently uses a completely different driver | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:52 |
| crimsun | you have to use ndiswrapper according to http://www.frexx.de/nutz/acer-aspire-1522wlmi.html#wlan | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:53 |
| crimsun | (which explains no irq being allocated for it) | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | excellent crimsun you're a gem | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | do I have to compile the ndiswrapper kernel module myself? | 12:54 |
| crimsun | already included (modprobe ndiswrapper) | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | cool | 12:54 |
| crimsun | you'll want to check a howto on the wiki/forum | 12:54 |
| crimsun | I have only rudimentary exposure to ndiswrapper | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | I have used it once before | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, I have it oloaded and working | 01:05 |
| cbx33 | you know how to use WPA? | 01:05 |
| crimsun | I'm comfortable configuring /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf if that's what you're asking | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | heheh yeh supposed I am | 01:06 |
| crimsun | I've used network-manager once, and it left a sour taste | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | I found a howto about configuring wpa_supplicant | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/WPA | 01:06 |
| crimsun | so it really depends which tool you wish to use | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | not network-manager | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | i looked at that earlier and had the same reaction as you | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | does that howto look ok? | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | w00t working | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | network manager is ok. its only problem is that it won't work with most cards | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | but if you have a card it works well (such as the ipw 3945) its ok | 01:12 |
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| pete_ | :) | 01:12 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, edubuntu-desktop is currently broken :( | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | because of scribus, which is because of python-tk | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | but I can't figure out why python-tk won't install | 01:40 |
| crimsun | because the new python2.4 subsumes it. | 01:40 |
| crimsun | I nearly merged it, but I'm glad Matthias did it | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | subsumes? | 01:40 |
| crimsun | apt-cache show python2.4|egrep '^(Conflicts|Replaces)' | 01:41 |
| cbx33 | nn all | 01:42 |
| cbx33 | thanks again crimsun | 01:42 |
| crimsun | np | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 01:42 |
| crimsun | note 'python-tk (<< 2.4.3-2)' | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | so do we have to do a bunch of fixes for that? | 01:42 |
| crimsun | no, python-tk just needs to be merged. | 01:43 |
| crimsun | I presume he'll do that, too. | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 01:43 |
| crimsun | http://merges.ubuntu.com/p/python-stdlib-extensions/REPORT | 01:45 |
| crimsun | I think there's a bug open on it | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | ok | 01:46 |
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| ggeller | How much diskspace does the edubuntu workstation install use? | 03:02 |
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| nixternal | i just fired up Edubuntu Edgy, upgrading it now. let me just say good job...i think it is the hottest looking setup, the icons are great, the wallpaper owns...im a KDE guy and I like this Gnome look ;) | 03:39 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:14 |
| bddebian | Heya sbalneav | 04:19 |
| sbalneav | Evening bddebian!! | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: you will get converted | 04:19 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:19 |
| nixternal | my panel is fubarred right now | 04:20 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: when i click on "Applications", the menu flashes, and is unusable...any clues? | 04:25 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: right, so that is it trying to draw the menu and failing | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | something is corrupting it | 04:26 |
| nixternal | lovely | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | given it (and the kde menu) are dynamically generated out of .desktop and .menu files, I have no idea where to even start looking | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | welcome to edgy | 04:26 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:26 |
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| LaserJock | hi nrdb | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 04:56 |
| nrdb | I know edubuntu comes with ltsp, is this setup to run from the live cd? | 04:56 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: hi | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | nrdb: not currently | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: no Edubuntu uses the alternate cd for LTSP | 04:57 |
| nrdb | Burgundavia: I thought it would be hard to do. | 04:58 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: So if I wan't to use LTSP I need to download something other than edubuntu? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | no | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | edubuntu is what you want | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | just not the live cd | 04:58 |
| nrdb | So I would need to install it. | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | you want the install cd on http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06.1/ | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | you can't run LTSP without installing it | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: there is a plan afoot to create such a scd | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: an Ubuntu project | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | ? | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | yep, mithrandir was going to work on it | 05:01 |
| nrdb | Could it be done by setting up a loopback file with all the configuration needed by LTSP? | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that would be interesting for sure | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | great for showing off to the boss ;-) | 05:02 |
| mx | uhm.. how do i detect which video driver is loaded into memory? | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | hmm, perhaps lsmod? | 05:04 |
| nrdb | One thing I have been wondering about it the there was any demand for a bizubuntu aimed at seting up a small company, maybe with a book keeping app etc. | 05:05 |
| nrdb | mx: could you look at the video driver in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? | 05:05 |
| mx | i'm trying to figure out if ctrl+alt+backspace reloads the xorg.conf file | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | it does | 05:07 |
| mx | alright | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: I sure think so, I was talking with my wife's aunt who runs a small business | 05:07 |
| mx | thanks | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: she would love to switch to Ubuntu but she needs small business software | 05:07 |
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| nrdb | does anyone know how much data is needed by LTSP per client approx. ? | 05:09 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: Kontact is a good organiser. | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: data? | 05:11 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: config files etc. on the server. | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: she needs tax software and management stuff. I'm not sure what all | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: hmm, not sure | 05:11 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: have a look at http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5692/1/ does this help. | 05:13 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: I looked at GnuCash a while back. | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | hmm, interesting | 05:16 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: The only reason I didn't go further with GnuCash is that it keeps its data in a flat file, I thought this might get slow after several years of data had accumulated. | 05:20 |
| nrdb | with edubuntu to install it you can't use the LiveCD you need to use a serperate CD correct? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | nrdb: you want the install cd | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | at the URL I gave ^^ | 05:23 |
| nrdb | LaserJock: I thought so, I will see about downloading it. | 05:23 |
| mx | alright.. i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition for general access.. how is that different from a regular mount? | 05:30 |
| mx | what i'm doing now is sudo mount, and then sudo konqueror and try to change the permissions, which returns an error (havent really looked into chmod) | 05:32 |
| nrdb | mx: ntsp writing isn't supported by the kernel. | 05:32 |
| mx | i'd just like to read it | 05:32 |
| mx | i can get into it with sudo konqueror, but i cant change permissions from the same place | 05:34 |
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| mx | mx@mx-desktop:~$ wine fgf* | 05:39 |
| mx | wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\mx\\fgf172.exe": Module not found | 05:39 |
| mx | ... wtf? | 05:39 |
| mx | shoot, wrong window | 05:40 |
| nrdb | just asked on the #ltsp it seems that ltsp has a base install of about 125Mb with each client using a further 100b or so, so to mount a file via a loopback device does seem doable, and have the LiveCD handle clients as well. | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | 2 | 05:44 |
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| cbx33 | hi bluekuja | 11:21 |
| pygi | morning all | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | long time no see | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | My PyGi ! | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | goood mornin to you | 11:22 |
| pygi | morning cbx33 | 11:25 |
| pygi | how is you? | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | I'm GREAT | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | looking forward to finishing off the plugin implementation today | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | how about you | 11:26 |
| pygi | cbx33, great, just fixed big bug in libburn | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | nice | 11:29 |
| pygi | nice for your plugins cbx33 :) | 11:36 |
| cbx33 | yeh i hope so | 11:36 |
| cbx33 | yeh i hope so I'm afraid they'll be rather limitied | 11:37 |
| cbx33 | you see because we're using dbus for communication to client sessions | 11:43 |
| cbx33 | maybe these plugins might need to have a client and server class | 11:44 |
| cbx33 | so they can talk to each other over dbus | 11:44 |
| cbx33 | what do you think pygi ? | 11:44 |
| cbx33 | at the moment the plugins only function on the SCP side | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | so they do have root access | 11:49 |
| pygi | root access!!! | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | well | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | they are running un der sudo | 11:50 |
| pygi | I know, I know | 11:50 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra | 03:35 |
| cbx33 | have I got some news for you | 03:35 |
| cbx33 | and I need a quick chat about the plugins....it really is a quick chat | 03:36 |
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| gboutwell | Can someone help me set-up a networked printer? I'm most the way there, but it's asking for me to select an ppd file and I have no idea why or where to look for these files. | 04:12 |
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| cbx33 | gboutwell, those files deine your printer | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | define | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | goto linuxprinting.org | 04:17 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: nm... I found where they where and reselected the driver and it's not asking me for it anymore. | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 04:19 |
| gboutwell | No... I'm trying to get it to print the test page.. | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | oh | 04:20 |
| gboutwell | s/No/Now/ | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | howz it going? | 04:23 |
| gboutwell | Good I think... Helps if the printer is turned on. | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | heheh of course :p | 04:24 |
| gboutwell | Looks like that did it... ty | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | np, I didn't do much | 04:27 |
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| gboutwell | how do I get it to keep username... It seems to be keeping password, but not user name | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 04:31 |
| gboutwell | are there any issues with upgrading edubuntu to dapper? | 04:33 |
| cbx33 | hiya bddebian | 04:33 |
| bddebian | Hello cbx33 | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | howz it going bddebian | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Oh OK, thanks | 04:36 |
| bddebian | You? | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | going really well | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | just wrote a simple plugin framework in python for SCP | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | :D | 04:39 |
| bddebian | Cool | 04:39 |
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| cbx33 | hi rodarvus | 04:42 |
| rodarvus | hi cbx33! | 04:42 |
| cbx33 | howz it hanging | 04:42 |
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| rodarvus | this is getting borinng :) | 04:42 |
| bddebian | "this" ? | 04:43 |
| rodarvus | this == waiting in the hotel | 04:43 |
| bddebian | Ahhh | 04:43 |
| gboutwell | How can I make edubuntu remember the username & password for a SMB networked printer? | 04:44 |
| gboutwell | username & password in this case != the one logged in to edubuntu | 04:44 |
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| DrkLrd | RichEd-1, ping | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus, :( | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | is ogra still around? | 04:47 |
| rodarvus | he left about 5 hours ago | 04:47 |
| rodarvus | I'm the last one here | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | oh dang it | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | wanted to ask him a question | 04:47 |
| rodarvus | he is probably home by now | 04:47 |
| rodarvus | its jut unlikely he has the steam to work on a sunday, after traveling :) | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | sunday | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | ? | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | it's saturday | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | well for me anyway | 04:48 |
| gboutwell | I pressed install on a big list of Software Upgrades, it greyed everthing out but I don't see any hour glass or progress... is it froze or is it just doing it all behind the scenes? | 04:52 |
| cbx33 | run top in a terminal windows | 04:52 |
| cbx33 | and see if it's working | 04:52 |
| gboutwell | what am i looking for in top? | 04:54 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 04:55 |
| cbx33 | update-manager | 04:55 |
| cbx33 | apt | 04:55 |
| cbx33 | I can't try it seeing as I just updated | 04:56 |
| gboutwell | no apt... update-manager is there... | 04:58 |
| cbx33 | and | 05:04 |
| cbx33 | is it....working? | 05:04 |
| cbx33 | w00t - plugin handler is working perfectly | 05:04 |
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| gboutwell | guess it was just a big list... if finally came-up and showed what it was going to update and is now d/ling them | 05:11 |
| gboutwell | if I follow the upgrade-manager's link to dapper upgrade instructions am I going to break edubuntu or is edubuntu ok with an dapper upgrade? | 05:12 |
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| cbx33 | hey pygi | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | breezy -> dapper ? | 05:16 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: yes | 05:16 |
| pygi | cbx33, what with that? :) | 05:16 |
| pygi | hey cbx33 | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | gboutwell, should be cool | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | pygi, the plugin interface works with SCP | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | :D | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | all plugins are read and added to the context menu | 05:16 |
| pygi | cbx33, I know | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | how did you know? | 05:17 |
| cbx33 | I only just finished it | 05:21 |
| pygi | cbx33, :) | 05:24 |
| pygi | I have sources :) | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | pygi, can you add actions to an actiongroup and specify parameters? | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | an action is usually ('Add to Favorites', None, 'Add to Favorites', None, | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | 'Add to Favorites', self.on_add_fav) | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | but the self.on_add_fav | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | i need to pass a parameter | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | I don;t particularly want to create a wrapper function for it | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | someone suggested lambda | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | like so ('Disconnect', None, '_Disconnect', None, | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | 'Disconnect', lambda self = self: self.logout_user(self.userlist.get_selection())) | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | but when run, the self, thinks it's applying o the menuitem | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | and we get this error | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | AttributeError: 'gtk.Action' object has no attribute 'logout_user' | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | you got any bright ideas | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | oh i think i got it | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | :) | 05:27 |
| pygi | :) | 05:28 |
| cbx33 | another bug fix | 05:45 |
| cbx33 | :D | 05:45 |
| cbx33 | and we're done | 05:45 |
| cbx33 | pygi, you got a few minutes to chat about pessulus ? | 05:49 |
| pygi | cbx33, I never used that | 05:51 |
| cbx33 | oh ok.... | 05:51 |
| cbx33 | from the looks of things | 05:51 |
| cbx33 | it can't be used in the way ogra wants | 05:51 |
| cbx33 | in his spec | 05:51 |
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| scythe | hi | 05:54 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, that sux | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | hi scythe | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | the docs of pessulus state, that if you run pessulus as a non-privilaged user | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmm | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | the settings will be stored in your own user | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | which is what we want | 05:56 |
| cbx33 | basically a centra admin | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | and its not? | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | can run pessulus to lockdown users systems | 05:57 |
| scythe | I'm testing edubuntu first time. looks very nice, but the ubuntu servers seem to be verly slow :(. while installing edubuntu the installer downloads the language packs for DE, this takes about 45 till 60 min. are there any other servers which could be used? and can I transfer the language packs to other edubuntu hd installs, that I don't need to download them again and again? | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | but....if you are a sudo and run pessulus, it modifies the settings globally | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | which is not what we want | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | we want to lockdown each user | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | the only way I could see of doing that | 05:57 |
| cbx33 | is to run pessulus as the user you are tryingto edit | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | and get it to display on the admins screen | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | if that makes sense ? | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | scythe, might be worth you wetting up and apt-cacher | 05:58 |
| cbx33 | but don't ask me how to do it | 05:58 |
| gboutwell | scythe: you can set-up an proxy... technically you can figure out where it d/ls the packages and copy them to the same location on other installs and it 'should' find them as already d/led and not re d/l them. | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | gboutwell, good idea | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, any ideaS? | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | cbx33: so we want it to do what it does as sudo without the sudo | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | run as sudo -> modifies EVERYONE (not wanted) | 05:59 |
| cbx33 | run as normal user -> modifies JUST YOU (wanted) | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | but we want, as a super user....to modify someone elses | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | so as ADMIN I want to run pessulus as JOHN so it modifies only JOHN's account | 06:00 |
| scythe | gboutwell: ok, I hope that the language packs are normal debs which were downloaded to /var/apt/cache | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | make sense? | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | cbx33: yes | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | scythe, should be | 06:00 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, can you think of a way to do that? | 06:01 |
| scythe | cbx33: fine :) | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | cbx33: i can think of a few but hmmmm one is change program source to do that or maybe a config file or even wrtie a script for it :( all 3 ways are not easy | 06:02 |
| scythe | and are there alternative servers for debs? cause the default ones are very slow. about 11kb/s :/ | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 06:02 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: sudo su JOHN -c pessulus ? | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | all 3 ways assuming its open source | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | hmm hang on | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | what pessulus? | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | it is | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | Xlib: No protocol specified | 06:02 |
| cbx33 | presumably because john doesn't have permission to export to my display? | 06:03 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: Yeah... If forgot about that... | 06:03 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, I'd prefer not to change program source if I can | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | i know | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | ogra wouldn't like it | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 06:04 |
| cbx33 | guess I'll have to find another way | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | give john permission to export to you disply? | 06:05 |
| cbx33 | but then I'd have to do that for every user | 06:05 |
| cbx33 | makes my display very insecure | 06:05 |
| gnomefreak | point | 06:05 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: pessulus-run-script JOHN where pessulus-run-script grants just john xdisplay on your display, runs pessulus and then revokes his xdisplay on your display ? | 06:06 |
| scythe | is it possible to resrict changing backrounds, screensaver, etc. for normal users? | 06:06 |
| cbx33 | gboutwell, possible | 06:06 |
| cbx33 | but I'm still vulnerable during that time | 06:07 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: Yeah... it's essentially an priveledge escalation... | 06:08 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 06:08 |
| gnomefreak | cbx33: im afraid that is man, website, nor -h tells you than its changing source or making a hack that will do it | 06:08 |
| gnomefreak | s/is/if | 06:08 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, yeh | 06:08 |
| cbx33 | I'll speak to ogra when he get's back | 06:08 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: does it have an command-line interface? | 06:09 |
| cbx33 | what we want is a pessulus option to run as another user | 06:09 |
| cbx33 | gboutwell, no | 06:09 |
| cbx33 | nevermind I'll take a ganders at the source and see what I can do | 06:09 |
| gboutwell | cbx33: ugh... if it did, then you could build an UI and call the commands and avoid the problem entirely. | 06:09 |
| cbx33 | gboutwell, or i could just skip pessulus entirely and modify gconf myself | 06:10 |
| cbx33 | :p | 06:10 |
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| cbx33 | go go go :p | 06:12 |
| cbx33 | hmmm seems like the edgy version of pessulus doesn't have any new features either | 06:12 |
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| gboutwell | openoffice.org in dapper is essential openoffice.org 2 right? | 06:16 |
| lucasvo | yes | 06:16 |
| gboutwell | ok... just reviewing what the upgrade would do, noticed it removed oo.o2 packages and installed oo.o packages... figured it was still oo.o2, but double checking anyways. | 06:17 |
| gboutwell | Whelp... It'll be a bit... going to take over an hour to d/l all the packages... | 06:29 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | gnomefreak, I found a way to do what we never thought possible | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | sux | 06:45 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | a package called sux | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | su for X | 06:46 |
| cbx33 | works like a charm | 06:46 |
| cbx33 | except pessulus doesn't work great | 06:46 |
| cbx33 | :( | 06:46 |
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| cbx33 | pygi, you around? | 07:10 |
| pygi | cbx33, not really right now | 07:11 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 07:11 |
| cbx33 | :p | 07:11 |
| pygi | cbx33, how may I help you' | 07:13 |
| pygi | ? | 07:13 |
| cbx33 | it's fine | 07:13 |
| pygi | no, no, shoot! | 07:13 |
| cbx33 | i was gonna ask if you had a chance to think about my plugins idea..... | 07:13 |
| pygi | Lately, I am always busy, so... :) | 07:13 |
| cbx33 | having the server and client part? | 07:13 |
| pygi | ah, server-client? | 07:13 |
| cbx33 | yes | 07:13 |
| pygi | ergh, you are faster :) | 07:13 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | :p | 07:14 |
| pygi | No, but if you mail me I am bound to respond in some time :) | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | i just wondered if you thought it was a good idea? | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | I know how to do it | 07:14 |
| cbx33 | :p | 07:14 |
| pygi | might be good idea, yes | 07:15 |
| cbx33 | ok | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | you twisted my arm I'll do it | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | right after I do the pessulus implementation | 07:16 |
| pygi | It's always my fault for everything! | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | but tbh pessulus seems a little non-functional | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 07:16 |
| pygi | poke vuntz about it | 07:16 |
| cbx33 | did he write it? | 07:17 |
| pygi | yup | 07:17 |
| cbx33 | pygi, he seems to be away | 07:23 |
| cbx33 | hopefully he'll be back later | 07:23 |
| pygi | cbx33, he's always away...he'll poke you | 07:23 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:23 |
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| lucasvo | how can I make my ltsp client use 1024x786 resolution? | 07:36 |
| lucasvo | anybody can help? | 07:41 |
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| cbx33 | rodarvus, heheh this is going good | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | plugin framework done and pessulus integration :D | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | now it's just the server / client enhanced plugins left | 07:48 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, weekend hacking session? :) | 07:48 |
| rodarvus | nice. | 07:48 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus, I'm always hacking I told you that yesterday | 07:48 |
| cbx33 | well lisa has a tonne of work on from her american bosses and we hade to take a raincheck on a family party | 07:49 |
| cbx33 | so....I thought.....hehehe....w00t time for some scp hacking | 07:49 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus, you got a sec? | 07:54 |
| rodarvus | sure, go ahead | 07:54 |
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