[12:18] <cbx33> HEY rodarvus 
[12:18] <rodarvus> hi cbx33
[12:19] <LaserJock> rodarvus: hi!
[12:19] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[12:19] <rodarvus> it is about time I should be in bed, but I'm not feeling like it, really
[12:19] <LaserJock> rodarvus: and how is the X master and Edubuntu chief doing today?
[12:20] <rodarvus> I'm not edubuntu chief :) (and really just temporary X mantainer, until we can find the right person to hire ;) )
[12:21] <LaserJock> fine
[12:22] <rodarvus> but I'm fine, thanks for asking - a little tired after a rather busy week
[12:22] <rodarvus> eager to get back home soon, etc
[12:22] <LaserJock> yes, I bet
[12:22] <rodarvus> these developers conferences are great, but you *really* want to get back home after a whole week
[12:23] <LaserJock> heh
[12:24] <cbx33> heheh
[12:24] <cbx33> must be exhasting
[12:31] <LaserJock> rodarvus: so how is the distro sprint compared to the developer summit?
[12:33] <rodarvus> really different
[12:33] <rodarvus> it was totally "getting work done" oriented
[12:33] <rodarvus> paris sprint was a lot of brainstorming
[12:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:35] <cbx33> where is the next sprint gonna be?
[12:35] <LaserJock> I'm trying to turn into a shell programmer here
[12:35] <LaserJock> sprint or summit?
[12:35] <cbx33> LaserJock, go go go
[12:35] <cbx33> summit
[12:36] <LaserJock> not exactly sure, rodarvus might know better than me
[12:36] <LaserJock> I've heard Brazil and LA/San Diego
[12:38] <rodarvus> next summit is supposed to happen in November, after Edgy is released
[12:38] <rodarvus> don't take my word as official, though
[12:38] <rodarvus> no commited place, until now
[12:38] <cbx33> ok
[12:39] <rodarvus> (no really reason to be in Brazil though, in my humble opinion, its too far from europe and US)
[12:39] <LaserJock> yeah, but the food sounds great!
[12:39] <rodarvus> haha
[12:39] <rodarvus> true
[12:39] <cbx33> rodarvus, has there been any places tooted?
[12:39] <rodarvus> food is great here
[12:39] <rodarvus> in a general sense, yes
[12:40] <rodarvus> I don't have details on it, though
[12:40] <Burgwork> LaserJock, canonical is talking north america
[12:40] <LaserJock> north america?
[12:40] <LaserJock> doh
[12:40] <cbx33> woohoo
[12:40] <cbx33> heheh
[12:40] <Burgwork> vancouver was raised as a good place
[12:40] <Burgwork> by me
[12:40] <cbx33> if I get funding that is
[12:41] <rodarvus> north america would be great, in my opinion (but again, don't take it as official, or even as an indication it would be there)
[12:41] <LaserJock> Burgwork: of course ;-)
[12:41] <cbx33> heheh
[12:41] <rodarvus> I just think it would be nice to have a conference there for the first time
[12:41] <Burgwork> mine is from a night of drinking with the canonical crew, so don't believe me either
[12:41] <bddebian> Hello
[12:41] <rodarvus> the big pro would be to have more contributions from US
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think Vancouver would be excellent
[12:41] <rodarvus> the big con is that its getting harder and harder for strangers to go to US
[12:41] <cbx33> yeh
[12:42] <Burgwork> vanoucver removes that issue
[12:43] <LaserJock> of course those silly people up north already got Montreal ;-)
[12:43] <LaserJock> it would be nice to have good internet, it seems like a big annoyance  when the connection isn't great
[12:44] <cbx33> yeh
[12:44] <cbx33> anyone know how to help me with my network 
[12:44] <cbx33> I have an ipw2200 device
[12:44] <cbx33> I just modprobed the driver
[12:44] <cbx33> but how do I set it up
[12:45] <rodarvus> type iwconfig
[12:45] <cbx33> yeh
[12:45] <cbx33> shows nothing
[12:45] <cbx33> :(
[12:45] <rodarvus> if the card is recognized (probably as wlan0)
[12:45] <cbx33> nope
[12:45] <cbx33> i ge a big fat 0
[12:45] <rodarvus> you just have to configure it on System->Administration->Networking
[12:45] <rodarvus> oh
[12:45] <rodarvus> thats strange
[12:45] <cbx33> yes
[12:45] <rodarvus> ipw2200 is pretty straightforward
[12:46] <cbx33> lspci shows it is present
[12:46] <cbx33> 0000:02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys, A Division of Cisco Systems [AirConn]  INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01)
[12:46] <cbx33> any other ideas?
[12:47] <rodarvus> nothing extra should be needed
[12:47] <rodarvus> does dmesg tells you anything?
[12:47] <cbx33> hang on
[12:47] <cbx33> [4305010.395000]  ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.1
[12:47] <cbx33> [4305010.395000]  ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation
[12:47] <cbx33> [4305010.395000]  Warning: PCI driver ipw2200 has a struct device_driver shutdown method, please update!
[12:49] <rodarvus> it was apparently recognized correctly
[12:49] <cbx33> yeh
[12:49] <crimsun> is this dapper or edgy?
[12:49] <cbx33> dapper
[12:50] <crimsun> $ grep -i ipw /proc/interrupts
[12:50] <cbx33> nothing
[12:50] <crimsun> that's problematic.
[12:50] <cbx33> yes
[12:50] <cbx33> :p
[12:50] <cbx33> any ideas o wise one ?
[12:50] <crimsun> xt-pic or io-apci being used?
[12:51] <crimsun> io-apic, even
[12:51] <cbx33> how do I check?
[12:51] <cbx33> as I'm not sure?
[12:51] <crimsun> err
[12:51] <cbx33> ok nm
[12:52] <crimsun> INPROCOMM IPN 2220 apparently uses a completely different driver
[12:52] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:52] <cbx33> ok
[12:52] <crimsun> you have to use ndiswrapper according to http://www.frexx.de/nutz/acer-aspire-1522wlmi.html#wlan
[12:53] <cbx33> ok
[12:53] <crimsun> (which explains no irq being allocated for it)
[12:53] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:53] <cbx33> excellent crimsun you're a gem
[12:54] <cbx33> do I have to compile the ndiswrapper kernel module myself?
[12:54] <crimsun> already included (modprobe ndiswrapper)
[12:54] <cbx33> cool
[12:54] <crimsun> you'll want to check a howto on the wiki/forum
[12:54] <crimsun> I have only rudimentary exposure to ndiswrapper
[12:55] <cbx33> ok
[12:55] <cbx33> I have used it once before
[01:05] <cbx33> crimsun, I have it oloaded and working
[01:05] <cbx33> you know how to use WPA?
[01:06] <crimsun> I'm comfortable configuring /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf if that's what you're asking
[01:06] <cbx33> heheh yeh supposed I am
[01:06] <crimsun> I've used network-manager once, and it left a sour taste
[01:06] <cbx33> I found a howto about configuring wpa_supplicant
[01:06] <cbx33> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/WPA
[01:07] <crimsun> so it really depends which tool you wish to use
[01:07] <cbx33> not network-manager
[01:07] <cbx33> i looked at that earlier and had the same reaction as you
[01:08] <cbx33> does that howto look ok?
[01:11] <cbx33> w00t working
[01:11] <rodarvus> network manager is ok. its only problem is that it won't work with most cards
[01:12] <rodarvus> but if you have a card it works well (such as the ipw 3945) its ok
[01:12] <pete_> :)
[01:39] <LaserJock> hmm, edubuntu-desktop is currently broken :(
[01:39] <LaserJock> because of scribus, which is because of python-tk
[01:40] <LaserJock> but I can't figure out why python-tk won't install
[01:40] <crimsun> because the new python2.4 subsumes it.
[01:40] <crimsun> I nearly merged it, but I'm glad Matthias did it
[01:40] <LaserJock> subsumes?
[01:41] <crimsun> apt-cache show python2.4|egrep '^(Conflicts|Replaces)'
[01:42] <cbx33> nn all
[01:42] <cbx33> thanks again crimsun 
[01:42] <crimsun> np
[01:42] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:42] <crimsun> note 'python-tk (<< 2.4.3-2)'
[01:42] <LaserJock> so do we have to do a bunch of fixes for that?
[01:43] <crimsun> no, python-tk just needs to be merged.
[01:43] <crimsun> I presume he'll do that, too.
[01:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:45] <crimsun> http://merges.ubuntu.com/p/python-stdlib-extensions/REPORT
[01:45] <crimsun> I think there's a bug open on it
[01:46] <LaserJock> ok
[03:02] <ggeller> How much diskspace does the edubuntu workstation install use?
[03:39] <nixternal> i just fired up Edubuntu Edgy, upgrading it now. let me just say good job...i think it is the hottest looking setup, the icons are great, the wallpaper owns...im a KDE guy and I like this Gnome look ;)
[04:14] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:19] <sbalneav> Evening bddebian!!
[04:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you will get converted
[04:19] <nixternal> heh
[04:20] <nixternal> my panel is fubarred right now
[04:25] <nixternal> Burgundavia: when i click on "Applications", the menu flashes, and is unusable...any clues?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: right, so that is it trying to draw the menu and failing
[04:26] <Burgundavia> something is corrupting it
[04:26] <nixternal> lovely
[04:26] <Burgundavia> given it (and the kde menu) are dynamically generated out of .desktop and .menu files, I have no idea where to even start looking
[04:26] <Burgundavia> welcome to edgy
[04:26] <nixternal> hehe
[04:56] <LaserJock> hi nrdb
[04:56] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:56] <nrdb> I know edubuntu comes with ltsp, is this setup to run from the live cd?
[04:56] <nrdb> LaserJock: hi
[04:57] <Burgundavia> nrdb: not currently
[04:57] <LaserJock> nrdb: no Edubuntu uses the alternate cd for LTSP
[04:58] <nrdb> Burgundavia: I thought it would be hard to do.
[04:58] <nrdb> LaserJock: So if I wan't to use LTSP I need to download something other than edubuntu?
[04:58] <LaserJock> no
[04:58] <LaserJock> edubuntu is what you want
[04:58] <LaserJock> just not the live cd
[04:59] <nrdb> So I would need to install it.
[04:59] <LaserJock> you want the install cd on http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06.1/
[04:59] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:00] <LaserJock> you can't run LTSP without installing it
[05:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: there is a plan afoot to create such a scd
[05:00] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: an Ubuntu project
[05:00] <LaserJock> ?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> yep, mithrandir was going to work on it
[05:02] <nrdb> Could it be done by setting up a loopback file with all the configuration needed by LTSP?
[05:02] <LaserJock> hmm, that would be interesting for sure
[05:02] <LaserJock> great for showing off to the boss ;-)
[05:03] <mx> uhm.. how do i detect which video driver is loaded into memory?
[05:04] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps lsmod?
[05:05] <nrdb> One thing I have been wondering about it the there was any demand for a bizubuntu aimed at seting up a small company, maybe with a book keeping app etc.
[05:05] <nrdb> mx: could you look at the video driver in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[05:06] <mx> i'm trying to figure out if ctrl+alt+backspace reloads the xorg.conf file
[05:07] <LaserJock> it does
[05:07] <mx> alright
[05:07] <LaserJock> nrdb: I sure think so, I was talking with my wife's aunt who runs a small business
[05:07] <mx> thanks
[05:07] <LaserJock> nrdb: she would love to switch to Ubuntu but she needs small business software
[05:09] <nrdb> does anyone know how much data is needed by LTSP per client approx. ?
[05:10] <nrdb> LaserJock: Kontact is a good organiser.
[05:11] <LaserJock> nrdb: data?
[05:11] <nrdb> LaserJock: config files etc. on the server.
[05:11] <LaserJock> nrdb: she needs tax software and management stuff. I'm not sure what all
[05:11] <LaserJock> nrdb: hmm, not sure
[05:13] <nrdb> LaserJock: have a look at http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5692/1/ does this help.
[05:14] <nrdb> LaserJock: I looked at GnuCash a while back.
[05:16] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[05:20] <nrdb> LaserJock: The only reason I didn't go further with GnuCash is that it keeps its data in a flat file, I thought this might get slow after several years of data had accumulated.
[05:22] <nrdb> with edubuntu to install it you can't use the LiveCD you need to use a serperate CD correct?
[05:22] <LaserJock> nrdb: you want the install cd
[05:23] <LaserJock> at the URL I gave ^^
[05:23] <nrdb> LaserJock: I thought so, I will see about downloading it.
[05:30] <mx> alright.. i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition for general access.. how is that different from a regular mount?
[05:32] <mx> what i'm doing now is sudo mount, and then sudo konqueror and try to change the permissions, which returns an error (havent really looked into chmod)
[05:32] <nrdb> mx: ntsp writing isn't supported by the kernel.
[05:32] <mx> i'd just like to read it
[05:34] <mx> i can get into it with sudo konqueror, but i cant change permissions from the same place
[05:39] <mx> mx@mx-desktop:~$ wine fgf*
[05:39] <mx> wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\mx\\fgf172.exe": Module not found
[05:39] <mx> ... wtf?
[05:40] <mx> shoot, wrong window
[05:42] <nrdb> just asked on the #ltsp it seems that ltsp has a base install of about 125Mb with each client using a further 100b or so, so to mount a file via a loopback device does seem doable, and have the LiveCD handle clients as well.
[05:44] <sbalneav> 2
[11:21] <cbx33> hi bluekuja 
[11:22] <pygi> morning all
[11:22] <cbx33> long time no see
[11:22] <cbx33> My PyGi !
[11:22] <cbx33> goood mornin to you
[11:25] <pygi> morning cbx33 
[11:25] <pygi> how is you?
[11:25] <cbx33> I'm GREAT 
[11:25] <cbx33> looking forward to finishing off the plugin implementation today
[11:26] <cbx33> how about you
[11:27] <pygi> cbx33, great, just fixed big bug in libburn
[11:29] <cbx33> nice
[11:36] <pygi> nice for your plugins cbx33 :)
[11:36] <cbx33> yeh i hope so
[11:37] <cbx33> yeh i hope so I'm afraid they'll be rather limitied
[11:43] <cbx33> you see because we're using dbus for communication to client sessions
[11:44] <cbx33> maybe these plugins might need to have a client and server class
[11:44] <cbx33> so they can talk to each other over dbus
[11:44] <cbx33> what do you think pygi ?
[11:49] <cbx33> at the moment the plugins only function on the SCP side
[11:49] <cbx33> so they do have root access
[11:49] <pygi> root access!!!
[11:50] <cbx33> well
[11:50] <cbx33> they are running un der sudo
[11:50] <pygi> I know, I know
[03:35] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[03:35] <cbx33> have I got some news for you
[03:36] <cbx33> and I need a quick chat about the plugins....it really is a quick chat
[04:12] <gboutwell> Can someone help me set-up a networked printer?  I'm most the way there, but it's asking for me to select an ppd file and I have no idea why or where to look for these files.
[04:17] <cbx33> gboutwell, those files deine your printer
[04:17] <cbx33> define
[04:17] <cbx33> goto linuxprinting.org
[04:18] <gboutwell> cbx33: nm... I found where they where and reselected the driver and it's not asking me for it anymore.
[04:19] <cbx33> ok cool
[04:19] <gboutwell> No... I'm trying to get it to print the test page..
[04:20] <cbx33> oh
[04:21] <gboutwell> s/No/Now/
[04:23] <cbx33> ok
[04:23] <cbx33> howz it going?
[04:23] <gboutwell> Good I think... Helps if the printer is turned on.
[04:24] <cbx33> heheh of course :p
[04:26] <gboutwell> Looks like that did it... ty
[04:27] <cbx33> np, I didn't do much
[04:31] <gboutwell> how do I get it to keep username... It seems to be keeping password, but not user name
[04:31] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:33] <gboutwell> are there any issues with upgrading edubuntu to dapper?
[04:33] <cbx33> hiya bddebian 
[04:34] <bddebian> Hello cbx33
[04:36] <cbx33> howz it going bddebian 
[04:36] <bddebian> Oh OK, thanks
[04:36] <bddebian> You?
[04:39] <cbx33> yeh
[04:39] <cbx33> going really well
[04:39] <cbx33> just wrote a simple plugin framework in python for SCP
[04:39] <cbx33> :D
[04:39] <bddebian> Cool
[04:42] <cbx33> hi rodarvus 
[04:42] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[04:42] <cbx33> howz it hanging
[04:42] <rodarvus> this is getting borinng :)
[04:43] <bddebian> "this" ?
[04:43] <rodarvus> this == waiting in the hotel
[04:43] <bddebian> Ahhh
[04:44] <gboutwell> How can I make edubuntu remember the username & password for a SMB networked printer?
[04:44] <gboutwell> username & password in this case != the one logged in to edubuntu
[04:46] <DrkLrd> RichEd-1, ping
[04:47] <cbx33> rodarvus, :(
[04:47] <cbx33> is ogra still around?
[04:47] <rodarvus> he left about 5 hours ago
[04:47] <rodarvus> I'm the last one here
[04:47] <cbx33> oh dang it
[04:47] <cbx33> wanted to ask him a question
[04:47] <rodarvus> he is probably home by now
[04:48] <rodarvus> its jut unlikely he has the steam to work on a sunday, after traveling :)
[04:48] <cbx33> sunday
[04:48] <cbx33> ?
[04:48] <cbx33> hehe
[04:48] <cbx33> it's saturday
[04:48] <cbx33> well for me anyway
[04:52] <gboutwell> I pressed install on a big list of Software Upgrades, it greyed everthing out but I don't see any hour glass or progress... is it froze or is it just doing it all behind the scenes?
[04:52] <cbx33> run top in a terminal windows
[04:52] <cbx33> and see if it's working
[04:54] <gboutwell> what am i looking for in top?
[04:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:55] <cbx33> update-manager
[04:55] <cbx33> apt
[04:56] <cbx33> I can't try it seeing as I just updated
[04:58] <gboutwell> no apt... update-manager is there...
[05:04] <cbx33> and
[05:04] <cbx33> is it....working?
[05:04] <cbx33> w00t - plugin handler is working perfectly
[05:11] <gboutwell> guess it was just a big list... if finally came-up and showed what it was going to update and is now d/ling them
[05:12] <gboutwell> if I follow the upgrade-manager's link to dapper upgrade instructions am I going to break edubuntu or is edubuntu ok with an dapper upgrade?
[05:15] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[05:16] <cbx33> breezy -> dapper ?
[05:16] <gboutwell> cbx33: yes
[05:16] <pygi> cbx33, what with that? :)
[05:16] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[05:16] <cbx33> gboutwell, should be cool
[05:16] <cbx33> pygi, the plugin interface works with SCP
[05:16] <cbx33> :D
[05:16] <cbx33> all plugins are read and added to the context menu
[05:16] <pygi> cbx33, I know
[05:17] <cbx33> how did you know?
[05:21] <cbx33> I only just finished it
[05:24] <pygi> cbx33, :)
[05:24] <pygi> I have sources :)
[05:25] <cbx33> pygi, can you add actions to an actiongroup and specify parameters?
[05:25] <cbx33> an action is usually ('Add to Favorites', None, 'Add to Favorites', None,
[05:25] <cbx33> 				'Add to Favorites', self.on_add_fav)
[05:25] <cbx33> but the self.on_add_fav
[05:26] <cbx33> i need to pass a parameter
[05:26] <cbx33> I don;t particularly want to create a wrapper function for it
[05:26] <cbx33> someone suggested lambda
[05:26] <cbx33> like so ('Disconnect', None, '_Disconnect', None,
[05:26] <cbx33> 				'Disconnect', lambda self = self: self.logout_user(self.userlist.get_selection()))
[05:26] <cbx33> but when run, the self, thinks it's applying o the menuitem
[05:26] <cbx33> and we get this error
[05:26] <cbx33> AttributeError: 'gtk.Action' object has no attribute 'logout_user'
[05:27] <cbx33> you got any bright ideas
[05:27] <cbx33> oh i think i got it
[05:27] <cbx33> :)
[05:28] <pygi> :)
[05:45] <cbx33> another bug fix
[05:45] <cbx33> :D
[05:45] <cbx33> and we're done
[05:49] <cbx33> pygi, you got a few minutes to chat about pessulus ?
[05:51] <pygi> cbx33, I never used that
[05:51] <cbx33> oh ok....
[05:51] <cbx33> from the looks of things
[05:51] <cbx33> it can't be used in the way ogra wants
[05:51] <cbx33> in his spec
[05:54] <scythe> hi
[05:56] <cbx33> gnomefreak, that sux
[05:56] <cbx33> hi scythe 
[05:56] <cbx33> the docs of pessulus state, that if you run pessulus as a non-privilaged user
[05:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[05:56] <cbx33> the settings will be stored in your own user
[05:56] <cbx33> which is what we want
[05:57] <cbx33> basically a centra admin
[05:57] <gnomefreak> and its not?
[05:57] <cbx33> can run pessulus to lockdown users systems
[05:57] <scythe> I'm testing edubuntu first time. looks very nice, but the ubuntu servers seem to be verly slow :(. while installing edubuntu the installer downloads the language packs for DE, this takes about 45 till 60 min. are there any other servers which could be used? and can I transfer the language packs to other edubuntu hd installs, that I don't need to download them again and again?
[05:57] <cbx33> but....if you are a sudo and run pessulus, it modifies the settings globally
[05:57] <cbx33> which is not what we want
[05:57] <cbx33> we want to lockdown each user
[05:57] <cbx33> the only way I could see of doing that
[05:58] <cbx33> is to run pessulus as the user you are tryingto edit
[05:58] <cbx33> and get it to display on the admins screen
[05:58] <cbx33> if that makes sense ?
[05:58] <cbx33> scythe, might be worth you wetting up and apt-cacher
[05:58] <cbx33> but don't ask me how to do it
[05:59] <gboutwell> scythe: you can set-up an proxy...  technically you can figure out where it d/ls the packages and copy them to the same location on other installs and it 'should' find them as already d/led and not re d/l them.
[05:59] <cbx33> gboutwell, good idea
[05:59] <cbx33> gnomefreak, any ideaS?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> cbx33: so we want it to do what it does as sudo without the sudo
[05:59] <cbx33> run as sudo -> modifies EVERYONE (not wanted)
[06:00] <cbx33> run as normal user -> modifies JUST YOU (wanted)
[06:00] <cbx33> but we want, as a super user....to modify someone elses 
[06:00] <cbx33> so as ADMIN I want to run pessulus as JOHN so it modifies only JOHN's account
[06:00] <scythe> gboutwell: ok, I hope that the language packs are normal debs which were downloaded to /var/apt/cache
[06:00] <cbx33> make sense?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> cbx33: yes
[06:00] <cbx33> scythe, should be
[06:01] <cbx33> gnomefreak, can you think of a way to do that?
[06:01] <scythe> cbx33: fine :)
[06:02] <gnomefreak> cbx33: i can think of a few but hmmmm one is change program source to do that or maybe a config file or even wrtie a script for it :( all 3 ways are not easy
[06:02] <scythe> and are there alternative servers for debs? cause the default ones are very slow. about 11kb/s :/
[06:02] <cbx33> yeh
[06:02] <gboutwell> cbx33: sudo su JOHN -c pessulus ?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> all 3 ways assuming its open source
[06:02] <cbx33> hmm hang on
[06:02] <cbx33> what pessulus?
[06:02] <cbx33> it is
[06:02] <cbx33> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:02] <cbx33> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:03] <cbx33> presumably because john doesn't have permission to export to my display?
[06:03] <gboutwell> cbx33: Yeah... If forgot about that...
[06:04] <cbx33> gnomefreak, I'd prefer not to change program source if I can
[06:04] <gnomefreak> i know
[06:04] <cbx33> heheh
[06:04] <cbx33> ogra wouldn't like it
[06:04] <cbx33> heheh
[06:04] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:04] <cbx33> guess I'll have to find another way
[06:05] <gnomefreak> give john permission to export to you disply?
[06:05] <cbx33> but then I'd have to do that for every user
[06:05] <cbx33> makes my display very insecure
[06:05] <gnomefreak> point
[06:06] <gboutwell> cbx33: pessulus-run-script JOHN   where pessulus-run-script grants just john xdisplay on your display, runs pessulus and then revokes his xdisplay on your display ?
[06:06] <scythe> is it possible to resrict changing backrounds, screensaver, etc. for normal users? 
[06:06] <cbx33> gboutwell, possible
[06:07] <cbx33> but I'm still vulnerable during that time
[06:08] <gboutwell> cbx33: Yeah... it's essentially an priveledge escalation...
[06:08] <cbx33> indeed
[06:08] <gnomefreak> cbx33: im afraid that is man, website, nor -h tells you than its changing source or making a hack that will do it
[06:08] <gnomefreak> s/is/if
[06:08] <cbx33> gnomefreak, yeh
[06:08] <cbx33> I'll speak to ogra when he get's back
[06:09] <gboutwell> cbx33: does it have an command-line interface?
[06:09] <cbx33> what we want is a pessulus option to run as another user
[06:09] <cbx33> gboutwell, no
[06:09] <cbx33> nevermind I'll take a ganders at the source and see what I can do
[06:09] <gboutwell> cbx33: ugh... if it did, then you could build an UI and call the commands and avoid the problem entirely.
[06:10] <cbx33> gboutwell, or i could just skip pessulus entirely and modify gconf myself
[06:10] <cbx33> :p
[06:12] <cbx33> go go go :p
[06:12] <cbx33> hmmm seems like the edgy version of pessulus doesn't have any new features either
[06:16] <gboutwell> openoffice.org in dapper is essential openoffice.org 2 right?
[06:16] <lucasvo> yes
[06:17] <gboutwell> ok... just reviewing what the upgrade would do, noticed it removed oo.o2 packages and installed oo.o packages... figured it was still oo.o2, but double checking anyways.
[06:29] <gboutwell> Whelp... It'll be a bit... going to take over an hour to d/l all the packages...
[06:45] <cbx33> hmmm
[06:45] <cbx33> gnomefreak, I found a way to do what we never thought possible
[06:45] <cbx33> sux
[06:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:45] <cbx33> a package called sux
[06:46] <cbx33> su for X
[06:46] <cbx33> works like a charm
[06:46] <cbx33> except pessulus doesn't work great
[06:46] <cbx33> :(
[07:10] <cbx33> pygi, you around?
[07:11] <pygi> cbx33, not really right now
[07:11] <cbx33> ok np
[07:11] <cbx33> :p
[07:13] <pygi> cbx33, how may I help you'
[07:13] <pygi> ?
[07:13] <cbx33> it's fine
[07:13] <pygi> no, no, shoot!
[07:13] <cbx33> i was gonna ask if you had a chance to think about my plugins idea.....
[07:13] <pygi> Lately, I am always busy, so... :)
[07:13] <cbx33> having the server and client part?
[07:13] <pygi> ah, server-client?
[07:13] <cbx33> yes
[07:13] <pygi> ergh, you are faster :)
[07:14] <cbx33> hehe
[07:14] <cbx33> :p
[07:14] <pygi> No, but if you mail me I am bound to respond in some time  :)
[07:14] <cbx33> i just wondered if you thought it was a good idea?
[07:14] <cbx33> I know how to do it
[07:14] <cbx33> :p
[07:15] <pygi> might be good idea, yes
[07:16] <cbx33> ok
[07:16] <cbx33> you twisted my arm I'll do it
[07:16] <cbx33> right after I do the pessulus implementation
[07:16] <pygi> It's always my fault for everything!
[07:16] <cbx33> but tbh pessulus seems a little non-functional
[07:16] <cbx33> heheh
[07:16] <pygi> poke vuntz about it
[07:17] <cbx33> did he write it?
[07:17] <pygi> yup
[07:23] <cbx33> pygi, he seems to be away
[07:23] <cbx33> hopefully he'll be back later
[07:23] <pygi> cbx33, he's always away...he'll poke you
[07:23] <cbx33> hehe
[07:36] <lucasvo> how can I make my ltsp client use 1024x786 resolution?
[07:41] <lucasvo> anybody can help?
[07:47] <cbx33> rodarvus, heheh this is going good
[07:47] <cbx33> plugin framework done and pessulus integration :D
[07:48] <cbx33> now it's just the server / client enhanced plugins left
[07:48] <rodarvus> cbx33, weekend hacking session? :)
[07:48] <rodarvus> nice.
[07:48] <cbx33> rodarvus, I'm always hacking I told you that yesterday
[07:49] <cbx33> well lisa has a tonne of work on from her american bosses and we hade to take a raincheck on a family party
[07:49] <cbx33> so....I thought.....hehehe....w00t time for some scp hacking
[07:54] <cbx33> rodarvus, you got a sec?
[07:54] <rodarvus> sure, go ahead
[10:59] <LaserJock> arg, no ogra