[12:20] <DaSkreech> Bye!!
[12:41] <bddebian> Hello
[12:41] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[12:41] <ryanakca> want to re-re-review my package?
[12:42] <ryanakca> like give it an advocacy (is that a word) for the 3rd time?
[12:42] <bddebian> ryanakca: eqono..whatever?
[12:42] <ryanakca> eqonomize
[12:42] <ryanakca> yes :)
[12:43] <ryanakca> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2957
[06:35] <Hobbsee> * The pyromaniac waves hello
[09:38] <Tonio__> heya people
[09:38] <Tonio__> Sime: ping ?
[09:38] <Tonio__> Sime: shame on me, but it looks like I need to be tutored to buildprep with unsermake :)
[09:38] <Tonio__> I must say I don't know unsermake at all
[09:38] <Tonio__> Sime: for k-s-s of course
[09:39] <Tonio__> Sime: so the point is how to go from the svn to a real tarball
[09:40] <Tonio__> Sime: I assume a make -f admin/Makefile.common should suffice but I'd like to be sure :)
[09:42] <Tonio__> ..... seems to work, so let's try like this
[10:05] <nixternal> secksy kde ->  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=711&slide=7&title=sabayonlinux+x86+3.0+rc2+screenshots
[10:06] <nixternal> g'nite ;)
[10:27] <Sime> Tonio__: to de honest I've never made a tarball from k-s-s. Riddell has (I think) has been doing this and knows the procedure.
[10:27] <Tonio__> the error seem to be due to the makefile.am file
[10:28] <Tonio__> systemsettings/menu/Makefile.am: no rule to create target: /tmp/buildd/kde-systemsettings-0.0svn20060826/systemsettings/menu/kde-settings-accessibility.directory(all-top_systemsettings_menu)
[10:31] <Sime> ok have a play with it here...
[10:36] <Sime> ok, i'll have a play with it here...
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:40] <Sime> hi
[10:41] <Hobbsee> hey Sime!
[10:41] <Hobbsee> cool, there are people around :)
[11:36] <omeow> Does anyone have a package for the new nvidida driver?
[11:38] <Sime> Tonio__: I'm really not sure how to fix the k-s-s tarball. It looks rather hacked.
[11:38] <Sime> Tonio__: using the last tarball and replacing that Makefile.am and the other *.directory and *.menu files should be enough.
[11:39] <Tonio__> Sime: the point is there are differences in makefile.am
[11:39] <Tonio__> should I keep them ?
[11:48] <Sime> the Makefile.am under menu/ should be kept.
[01:51] <imbrandon> moins all
[01:52] <rouzic> amarok 1.4.2 in dapper?
[01:52] <imbrandon> !amarok
[01:52] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.2 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[01:52] <imbrandon> 
[01:52] <omeow> !nvidia
[01:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:53] <rouzic> Thanks ubotu :D
[01:53] <omeow> !givemenewnvidiadriversnowwwwww
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about givemenewnvidiadriversnowwwwww - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <imbrandon> bug nvidia for not opensourceing them like intel 
[01:54] <omeow> That's not what I meant. The new drivers have been released two days ago, and they're not in edgy yet. I can't wait for these new drivers because they apparently let me re-enable renderaccel again.
[01:54] <omeow> Can't wait can't wait for that to be possible again.
[01:56] <omeow> 8774 please :)
[01:57] <omeow> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=75601
[02:07] <imbrandon> its onyl a matter of time , its only been a few days
[02:09] <omeow> Yeah. Thus, I can't wait. ;)
[02:10] <omeow> By the way, where has the "launch feedback module" gone in the System Settings?
[02:10] <omeow> You can't seem to switch off the bouncing cursor without going into kcontrol instead.
[02:19] <Tonio_> hey
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[02:26] <imbrandon> with the sprint over he might be heading home today , i dunno thats just a guess
[02:26] <imbrandon> he hasent said that
[02:26] <imbrandon> btw moins Tonio_ 
[02:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hey ;)
[02:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I just commited a fix for kwalletmanager
[02:26] <Tonio_> works here
[02:27] <imbrandon> nice i was wondering about that
[02:27] <Tonio_> but the way to do is not perfect
[02:27] <tuxi> hi
[02:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I downgraded kwalletmanager to 3.5.2 via a patch
[02:27] <imbrandon> 
[02:27] <imbrandon> ouch 
[02:27] <Tonio_> quite little patch in fact, but upstream doesn't seem concerned by the bug
[02:27] <Tonio_> reported 2 month ago and his only response is like "okay"
[02:28] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 has been released while he already was aware of this
[02:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: in fact this is not a very crappy patch, it is still quite little
[02:28] <imbrandon> heh yea i noticed it a while back but it isnt a big deal so i never messaed with it
[02:28] <imbrandon> hehehe
[02:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the patch is only 9kB
[02:29] <imbrandon> i may go on a bug hunt today , i dunno, havent decided what to do, still drinking my morning coffee
[02:29] <imbrandon> 
[02:29] <Tonio_> I assume that if he really wanted to fix, that could have been done very easilly
[02:29] <Tonio_> he just doesn't give a shit, which is very grave for kde
[02:30] <imbrandon> unfortuneately thats alot of open source developers
[02:30] <Tonio_> how can they pretend to be "serious" if a major bug, quite easy to fix, isn't even read for 2 month ?
[02:30] <imbrandon> well i wouldent call it major, i've had the problem for months now and its no big deal but i see your point
[02:36] <Tonio_> it is not major as long as you don't need to go to your wallet to get a password
[02:36] <seaLne> Tonio_: thanks for uploading k3b yesterday
[02:37] <Tonio_> your servant
[02:37] <Tonio_> :)
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: i hope you will not dislike the way to proceed concerning kwallet
[02:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it can always be un-done if there comes a better way to fix it 
[02:58] <imbrandon> moins seaLne
[04:31] <bddebian> Hello
[05:57] <Huahua> hi, bddebian 
[05:57] <bddebian> Hello Huahua
[06:40] <Lure> sebas: ping
[07:53] <rouzic> Hi all :)
[07:57] <rouzic> Huahua: When the Knot2 will go out?
[08:00] <seaLne> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[08:01] <rouzic> Thanks seaLne :)
[08:02] <seaLne> np, i can never remember the dates
[08:03] <rouzic> jeje
[08:05] <rouzic> I have heard that it was going to go out in the first week of August
[08:07] <seaLne> no, it was always going to be after the sprint afaik
[08:07] <imbrandon> aug 31 is what the release schedule says
[08:07] <rouzic> Oks
[08:29] <jdong> how is kubuntu's relationship with mepis?
[08:32] <seaLne> it is a derivative of kubuntu afaik
[08:33] <jdong> yeah, I got that much from testing it last night
[08:33] <jdong> it's quite literally ubuntu with 10-20 overridden packages
[08:34] <jdong> and an extra sources.list entry :)
[08:34] <jdong> I used to be a MEPIS user in the KDE 3.1.x days
[08:34] <jdong> they've held on to a lot of their legacy scripts/tools, even though IMO Kubuntu has better replacements that they should've adopted
[08:35] <jdong> I'm just wondering if kubuntu devs "look down" upon Mepis because it's so close to kubuntu
[08:35] <crimsun> "look down on"? That's a "no".
[08:36] <seaLne> "ignore" maybe :)
[08:36] <jdong> k :)
[08:36] <jdong> that's cool
[08:38] <jdong> so would anyone here whack me in the head for recommending mepis to a linux newcomer? ;)
[08:39] <crimsun> in this specific channel, it's probably bordering off-topic, but I certainly wouldn't frown on it. It's a Kubuntu derivative.
[08:39] <seaLne> jdong: so why would you recomend mepis over kubuntu?
[08:40] <seaLne> what do you think needs changed in kubuntu?
[08:40] <jdong> seaLne: don't get me wrong, I love kubuntu and I don't think anything needs to be changed about it
[08:41] <jdong> I will always be a kubuntu user 
[08:41] <jdong> but
[08:41] <jdong> for Windows newcomers, mepis is more ready for them out of the box
[08:41] <jdong> they got java and win32codecs all set up and ready to go, as well as firefox/gaim (which IMO work better than KDE's offerings)
[08:41] <jdong> now, I know kubuntu can't do the java/win32codecs thing
[08:41] <jdong> and I don't expect us to
[08:42] <jdong> BUT, I have lost linux migrators before due to the whole codecs thing
[08:43] <jdong> I gotta say, last night's mepis install saved me around 30 minutes of post-install customization...
[08:43] <jdong> might not sound like a big deal, but I know it'd take a lot longer for people who don't know their way around
[08:43] <seaLne> vlc dosen't require codecs does it? (i know not in default kubuntu)
[08:43] <jdong> well, for some media formats, yes it does
[08:43] <jdong> and it's not in default kubuntu ,as you said
[08:43] <jdong> it's all about the out-of-the-box factor :-/
[08:45] <crimsun> vlc has as much as can be had within reason
[08:45] <crimsun> I enabled the w32loader in edgy's version, so anything it can't play OOtB it can play using w32codecs
[08:46] <seaLne> i admit codecs is one of the few things i let my morals slip on
[08:47] <jdong> :) me too
[08:47] <jdong> it's a necessary evil though
[08:47] <jdong> at least for me
[08:47] <crimsun> well there's also a technical reason vlc simply can't play everything OOtB, and that's due to the fact that its source is in the universe repository, and if you want OOtB support for everything, it'd have to be demoted to multiverse.
[08:48] <crimsun> slomo, siretart, and I talked about doing that but decided it wasn't worth it
[08:52] <seaLne> jdong: btw i have used konq as my only browser fine for over 2 years
[08:53] <jdong> I believe you
[08:53] <jdong> I've gone with knoq for quite some time myself
[08:53] <jdong> but, I found more people prefer firefox over konq, especially those migrating from Windows
[08:54] <crimsun> that's funny, I actually prefer Konqueror ;)
[08:54] <jdong> :)
[08:54] <crimsun> two indispensable items: my Kubuntu 6.06 LTS live cd and my usb HD
[08:56] <jdong> hey, is it just me, or is antialiasing messed up by the kde 3.5.4 repo?
[08:56] <jdong> I just did the upgrade on two systems, and both came back with non-AA'd fonts
[08:56] <crimsun> no idea. I'm still using what's on the 6.06 LTS live cd
[08:56] <jdong> a bit of kcontrol'ing fixed it
[08:56] <jdong> but I have to reset it for every user
[08:57] <jdong> I would use what's in official repos, but my laptop benefits from 3.5.4 bugfixes
[08:57] <jdong> namely, the volume buttons control the master channel set in kmix
[08:58] <jdong> funny thing how the ALSA guys aren't naming the master channel Master anymore :)
[08:58] <crimsun> well, we can't precisely name it Master because it would be semantically incorrect
[08:59] <crimsun> not to mention whatever's provided by the manufacturer of the codec is used
[08:59] <jdong> so then is it the mixer applet's fault for not identifying the correct channel to control?
[09:00] <jdong> like on my intel-hda laptop, to control the main speakers, I need to adjust the Front channel. GNOME/KDE both pick the PCM channel to control instead
[09:01] <crimsun> conceivably it's alsa's fault, not the mixer applet's.
[09:01] <jdong> and until kde 3.5.4, the volume hotkeys would always control PCM, even if I chose Front as the master channel
[09:01] <crimsun> here's a bit of background:
[09:02] <crimsun> codec manufacturers have wonky routing (what we call ttables in alsa), so it results in strange implementations (read: bugs) in alsa.
[09:03] <jdong> :-/
[09:04] <jdong> so who should be fixing this bug?
[09:04] <crimsun> Historically either 'Master' or 'PCM' control elements were sufficient to control what users generally refer to as "sound", but the increasing complexity (addition) of control elements ('Surround', etc.) created a situation where neither can be said to control "sound" anymore.
[09:04] <jdong> I see
[09:04] <crimsun> well, frankly it's not kde's issue
[09:04] <crimsun> frankly it's an alsa issue.
[09:05] <jdong> well, here's the thing
[09:05] <jdong> in the kmix applet settings, I told it to have the volume applet control Front (whereas PCM was default)
[09:05] <crimsun> we need to fix the control layer to provide a single tooglable 'Master', but that requires changing the control API.
[09:05] <jdong> so, now if I mousewheel over the kmix applet, it correctly controls Front
[09:05] <seaLne> jdong: how did you change?
[09:06] <jdong> right click kmix, Select Master Channel....
[09:06] <seaLne> woot now kmix will be usable
[09:06] <jdong> but, if I use the volume keys on my keyboard, they still control PCM
[09:06] <jdong> (fixed in kde 3.5.4)
[09:06] <jdong> that, I see as a kmix bug
[09:06] <seaLne> kmix by defaulkt was controlling master for me
[09:07] <jdong> no matter what it controls by default, the inconsistency between the panel applet behavior and the keyboard shortcut behavior sounds like a kmix bug to me
[09:08] <seaLne> is the kbd using kmix?
[09:09] <crimsun> jdong: depends whose perspective you take
[09:09] <jdong> seaLne: the kbd shortcut was set in kmix's Configure Global Shortcuts menu
[09:09] <jdong> so IMO that's kmix handling the shortcut :)
[09:10] <crimsun> if one _really_ wanted to cleanly abstract this, the hotkey should be hooked to a single 'Master' element at the alsa level, thereby fixing everything above it in the software stack automagically.
[09:11] <crimsun> you're right about the inconsistency being a huge issue
[09:11] <crimsun> I need to spec this out over Christmas.
[09:27] <imbrandon> heay jdong ( and crimsun again ;P )
[09:38] <crimsun> hi.
[09:55] <mani_> hi everybody
[09:56] <mani_> for 47 people, this channel is actually a little quiet !.... anybody home ?!!!
[09:59] <nixternal> whats up with the wallpaper in kubuntu now?  is it staying?  the one with the god awful screen burn look in the center?
[11:10] <exobuzz> could I get some opinions on the look of fonts in edgy : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=244514
[11:11] <exobuzz> oops
[11:32] <jdong|laptop> Riddell: is it possible to update the kubuntu.org kde354 repos with the new kdeutils from edgy?
[11:32] <jdong|laptop> the kwalletmanager fix is pretty worthwhile, IMO
[11:46] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/konvo1.png
[11:47] <LaserJock> hi nixternal
[11:47] <Riddell> jdong|laptop: unlikely I'll hae the time
[11:47] <nixternal> quit following me ;)
[11:48] <Riddell> nixternal: why oh why would you need a terminaal in an irc client?
[11:48] <nixternal> Riddell: you are getting rid of the current wallpaper in defautl right?  going back to 5c ;)
[11:48] <nixternal> i use konsole all the time, and my window was cluttered..with konversation and konsole, my window is now free
[11:50] <Riddell> nixternal: depends on feedback
[11:50] <nixternal> ok here is my feedback, 5c please ;)  the new one is oooogly
[11:50] <nixternal> here is why..i thought my monitor was going bad, asi it resembles a burn in or a crt
[11:50] <nixternal> i freaked out, until i opened a window and it wasn't there ;)
[11:51] <nixternal> *burn in "ON" a crt
[11:52] <Riddell> nixternal: tell it to kwwii (as it happens I agree :)
[11:53] <nixternal> hehe
[11:53] <nixternal> i think it was a trial type thing, as i heard it was going to get switched back eventually
[11:53] <nixternal> i was wondering really now because i want some more screenshots for Edgy Knot 2 release for us
[12:02] <Riddell> nixternal: it won't change for edgy 2
[12:02] <nixternal> ok, so leave the brownish bg then...cool...
[12:02] <nixternal> i will definitely link that to "feedback" ;)
[12:06] <buzzen> Is there a problem with edgy fonts, or is the new font look here to stay. I don't think they look very good: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1426565
[12:07] <buzzen> where would be the correct place to discuss this? open a bug on fontconfig ?
[12:08] <nixternal> #ubuntu+1
[12:08] <nixternal> check bugs as well
[12:08] <LaserJock> buzzen: I would also look for existing bugs as I'm sure they exist
[12:08] <LaserJock> as I've heard a fair amount of complaining about the fonts
[12:09] <nixternal> i swear, my dvd player gives me more problems than ever
[12:09] <nixternal> i know i had it working in dapper, trying to get it to work in edgy has been a chore