[12:11] <LaserJock> ryanakca: looks good, I'm going to build in pbuilder, etc.
[12:20] <lfittl> LaserJock: do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931 after you are finished with this one? :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> oh jeeze
[12:22] <lfittl> heh
[12:24] <LaserJock> I'll try guys
[12:24] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty slow at reviewing
[12:24] <ryanakca> LaserJock: kk, ty
[12:25] <lfittl> take your time, I just want to get this uploaded before the next TB, want to apply for universe upload rights / MOTU, and could need another maintained package ;)
[12:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:43] <lfittl> hi bddebian (bah, I thought I was in -motu, but it was -bugs ;))
[12:44] <ryanakca> lol
[12:44] <lfittl> bddebian: why do you always have to greet in all channels? :D
[12:44] <bddebian> It's my job :-)
[12:45] <lfittl> hehe
[12:45] <ryanakca> lol
[12:45] <LaserJock> it's the only thing he is good at ;-)
[12:45] <bddebian> Oh man, you beat me to it.. :'-(
[12:45] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:45] <LaserJock> I know you too well
[12:46] <lfittl> bddebian: mind giving a +1 on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931, as it really seems to be correct, and linda is just buggy
[12:46] <lfittl> bddebian: you are also good for reviewing ;)
[12:47] <crimsun> please don't ship the libtool archive.
[12:47] <crimsun> ibgrapple-0.9/debian/libgrapple-dev.install
[12:47] <bddebian> lfittl: Sure.  I gotta check out eqonomize for ryanakca quick
[12:47] <lfittl> crimsun: should I create a pkgconfig file instead?
[12:47] <lfittl> bddebian: sure
[12:47] <crimsun> that would work, sure.
[12:49] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I don't get this link: ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common
[12:49] <ryanakca> ermmm.... where's that?
[12:51] <ryanakca> because I don't get it either
[12:51] <LaserJock> in the .deb
[12:52] <ryanakca> how did you display it?
[12:52] <LaserJock> dpkg -c eqonomize_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:52] <ryanakca> grep -rin /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common *          in the source dir doesn't should anything
[12:53] <ryanakca> s/should/show
[12:55] <ryanakca> hmmm... weird... any clue as to fixing it?
[12:57] <lfittl> crimsun: I just noticed again, only -lgrapple is needed, is a pkg-config still a good thing to have in this case?
[12:58] <lfittl> s/pkg-config/.pc\ file/
[12:58] <crimsun> does it have really odd header paths or options?
[12:58] <ryanakca> LaserJock: found the part of the pbuilder output that does that... just can't figure out why or from where that came from
[12:59] <lfittl> crimsun: no, nothing
[12:59] <crimsun> lfittl: I would say then that it's not absolutely necessary but a very nice thing to include.
[01:00] <lfittl> crimsun: k, I saw that some .pc files also add -L, even if the lib is in /usr/lib, is there any reason to do this?
[01:01] <crimsun> I don't see any, no
[01:02] <crimsun> lfittl: apologies, your package is fine.
[01:02] <crimsun> lfittl: I'm a bit overzealous in pruning .las
[01:03] <crimsun> (just reread Junichi's guide to double-check)
[01:03] <lfittl> crimsun: :)
[01:03] <lfittl> whats the url for his guide?
[01:04] <crimsun> lfittl: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[01:04] <lfittl> ah, didn't know there was stuff about .la in there
[01:05] <crimsun> I only checked to see if there was a note mandating their removal, since I know kde -dev packages ship them. Only X.Org packages so far don't.
[01:05] <lfittl> crimsun: will create a patch and send it upstream, and stick with the .la for this version
[01:06] <bddebian> ryanakca: There are some ln going on in configure
[01:07] <crimsun> lfittl: sounds great, I'll +1 it
[01:07] <lfittl> crimsun: thanks for reviewing :)
[01:08] <lfittl> crimsun: do you have time to come to the next TB meeting, could need as many supporters as possible
[01:08] <crimsun> I will attempt to
[01:09] <lfittl> thanks
[01:09] <crimsun> TB meetings always seem to coincide with a sponsor or faculty meeting
[01:11] <ryanakca> bddebian: mind pointing me to the line?
[01:11] <ryanakca> nevermind, I'll grep it :)
[01:14] <bddebian> Hmm, what would be the best way to find out how/where keyboard bindings are being done in crack-attack?  Run it in gdb?
[01:16] <lfittl> bddebian: what exactly are you trying to debug?
[01:16] <bddebian> lfittl: Bug #30747
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30747 in crack-attack "Menu screen has double entries for ALT-Q accelerator" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30747
[01:17] <ryanakca> LaserJock: hmmm... and no chance of just leaving it in?
[01:17] <lfittl> bddebian: how about searching for it in the sourcecode?
[01:17] <bddebian> lfittl: I am but how do I know what to search for?
[01:17] <lfittl> bddebian: gdb won't help, at least I can't imagine how
[01:18] <bddebian> lfittl: I was thinking gdb just to see what point in the code I'm in
[01:18] <lfittl> hmm
[01:20] <LaserJock> ryanakca: well, check and see if it messes anything up
[01:29] <lfittl> bddebian: hmm, do you know gtk well enough for knowing which function creates the binding?
[01:30] <lfittl> as in, which gtk.. function is used for that
[01:30] <bddebian> lfittl: I don't know anything, haven't you figured that out yet? :-)
[01:30] <lfittl> bddebian: I have, I just don't want to realize it ;-)
[01:31] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: I think I may have found a shortcut to creating packages for Perl modules
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:31] <[Utah] tristanbob> dh-make-perl --build --cpan Net::SSH:Perl
[01:32] <lfittl> bddebian: found it :)
[01:32] <lfittl> crack-attack-fe-ng-00.glade, line 602
[01:33] <bddebian> I wondered if glad wasn't doing it
[01:33] <bddebian> Err glade even
[01:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> "dh-make-perl will create the files required to build a debian source package out of a perl package. This works for most simple packages and is also useful for getting started with packaging perl modules. Given a perl package name, it can also automatically download it from CPAN."
[01:37] <[Utah] tristanbob> LaserJock: I will test this method of creating the package.  Then I can modify it to meet the requirements to add to the debian and Ubuntu repos
[01:47] <lfittl> bddebian: while I try my fix, could you give your +1 on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2931 ? =)
[01:51] <lfittl> hmm fix doesnt work :/
[01:55] <lfittl> crimsun: could you give your advocate also on REVU?
[02:00] <lfittl> bddebian: that's weird, the glade file is the only place where the accelerator is defined, but changing it doesn't do anything
[02:01] <bddebian> lfittl: Have you done a new upload?
[02:02] <lfittl> bddebian: you mean on REVU? no, but the problem linda points out doesn't exist, so the package should be fine
[02:03] <bddebian> lfittl: Ah, OK
[02:06] <lfittl> bddebian: sry, you were right, the bug was in the source, not in the glade file, src/gtk-gui/interface.cxx line 322
[02:07] <bddebian> gdkkeysyms stuff?
[02:08] <lfittl> no, lblQuality = gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic ("Q_uality:");, it's important where the _ is placed
[02:08] <bddebian> Ah, nice
[02:08] <crimsun> yes, that should probably be _Quality
[02:08] <crimsun> err
[02:08] <lfittl> no, that was the old value ;)
[02:08] <crimsun> _("Quality:")
[02:08] <bddebian> crimsun: No, there is already a Q for quit
[02:09] <crimsun> oh, now translations, nevermind
[02:09] <lfittl> crimsun: its about gtk accelerators, not gettext ;)
[02:09] <crimsun> s/now/not/
[02:09] <bddebian> Nah, menu options :-)
[02:09] <lfittl> :)
[02:11] <lfittl> crimsun: as said before, could you advocate libgrapple on REVU, and also upload if possible?
[02:11] <bddebian> lfittl: You gonna upload that fix?
[02:12] <lfittl> bddebian: how about me attaching a debdiff to the bug, and the changelog mentions "Fixed keybindings, together with Barry deFreese", and you upload it? :)
[02:13] <bddebian> lfittl: Sure but you don't need to mention me, I didn't do anything
[02:14] <lfittl> bddebian: I am sure you invested some time into trying to fix it, so why not mention it somehow ;)
[02:16] <lfittl> bddebian: but thats your decision, it isn't imporant to me who it is attributed to, just thought you did the initial work, so it wouldn't be fair to not mention you
[02:16] <lfittl> s/imporant/important/
[02:16] <crimsun> advocated. Not at a place where I can upload.
[02:16] <lfittl> thanks :)
[02:17] <lfittl> bddebian: are you at a place where you can upload?
[02:26] <bddebian> Yep
[02:27] <bddebian> Gotta get my kids dressed then I'll hit libgrapple and crack attack
[02:40] <lfittl> bddebian: fix is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/crack-attack/+bug/30747, tell me when you are done with both uploads
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30747 in crack-attack "Menu screen has double entries for ALT-Q accelerator" [Medium,In progress] 
[02:48] <Shadowpillar> is it too late to suggest a package for the next release of ubuntu?
[02:48] <Shadowpillar> or does universe still accept packages for dapper?
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stud.fit.vutbr.cz%2F~xhorak28%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DWizardPen_Driver&ei=M5rvRPvxEJe6YPrhkLQD&sig2=vazSPntxAYT7DqOGpk6eng
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> er
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> damnit
[02:49] <Shadowpillar> http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xhorak28/index.php?page=WizardPen_Driver
[02:50] <ryanakca> crimsun: LaserJock pointed out a "lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2006-08-25 17:34 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common" from  dpkg -c ~/pbuilder/edgy/result/eqonomize_0.3*deb ... I can't figure out where it comes from, or even why it exists, but I do know that it doesn't hinder help:/eqonomize in any way.. can motu still let it into universe, or do I need to hunt it down?
[02:50] <Shadowpillar> it's an X11 driver for a tablet
[02:51] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: does it build ok?
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> yeah
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> works good too
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> I wish I knew how to make deb packages correctly
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: did you compile it or build it?
[02:52] <Shadowpillar> compile
[02:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:53] <Shadowpillar> I can vouch for it working well though
[02:53] <Shadowpillar> used it on my breezy system
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: you compiled it on edgy yet?
[02:54] <Shadowpillar> I'm on dapper atm
[02:54] <Shadowpillar> I was asking if it's still possible to suggest a package to be included/built for edgy
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: afaik it is until sept. 5th ish
[02:55] <lfittl> bddebian: should get some sleep (again), thanks for all your work, if you could do the uploads in the next hours it would be great :)
[02:55] <Shadowpillar> where can I request?
[02:55] <lfittl> gn8 everybody
[02:55] <gnomefreak> but doesnt mean it will be added. one of the guys or you will have to package it for edgy to make sure it all works.
[02:55] <gnomefreak> nite lfittl
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: what do you think better to ask someone or file a request on LP for a package request
[02:57] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well, it's allready all nice and pretty, all I need to do is get rid of that link or leave it in and a wonderfull motu can upload it :)
[02:57] <ryanakca> its a link that points to it's self
[02:57] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:58] <Shadowpillar> gnomefreak: can stuff still be added to dapper universe?
[02:58] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: no
[02:58] <ryanakca> actually no, it isn't
[02:58] <gnomefreak> backports only and very very careful on what they let through
[02:59] <ryanakca> I figured it out... it makes sense
[02:59] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: once stable you try not to add new things
[02:59] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: you a motu?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: nope ;)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: been through these questions
[02:59] <bddebian> ryanakca: Figure out your problem?
[03:00] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes, it's a normal link, which can basicly be translated to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Shadowpillar: i would either ask again if noone can answer you tonight or file a bug on it as a request.
[03:01] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: we have? hmm... memory loss :)
[03:01] <Shadowpillar> where can I file a bug?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> :) it happens
[03:01] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: if you learn packaging, go for cdbs... and don't listen to people who call it evil...
[03:01] <ryanakca> Shadowpillar: launchpad... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:03] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well... the ubuntu packaging guide is pretty good... and cdbs is the simplest one... and easiest to use.... takes about an afternoon to read it all and follow the examples, and then 2-3 packages practice.. and then eons to perfect...
[03:05] <bddebian> ryanakca: Don't we all :-)
[03:06] <ryanakca> lol, yep :)
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i will get to it this weekend ty
[03:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:07] <ryanakca> hmm... k/ubuntu isn't in the FLOSS Impact productivity questionnaire
[03:08] <ryanakca> wonder why... because we have "restricted"? probably because the list is allready 80 projects long
[03:08] <gnomefreak> night all
[03:09] <ryanakca> see yah
[03:10] <bddebian> Gnight gnomefreak
[03:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: !!
[03:30] <bddebian> Great timing
[03:31] <LaserJock> oh?
[03:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Whatever happened with gnome-chemistry-utils?
[03:31] <LaserJock> ah, well
[03:31] <LaserJock> yah know
[03:32] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, no, not accusing just asking.  It seems to have disappeared from Debian altogether
[03:33] <LaserJock> it wasn't ever in Debian proper
[03:33] <bddebian> Oh, really?
[03:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:34] <LaserJock> there is a guy who maintains his own repo
[03:35] <LaserJock> hang on, I'll brb. going to reboot into Ubuntu
[03:43] <LaserJock> ok, this is a bit better
[03:44] <bddebian> :-)
[03:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: You weren't talking about the wgdd.de guy were you?
[03:44] <LaserJock> I think so
[03:44] <LaserJock> that sounds familiar
[03:45] <LaserJock> Daniel something
[03:45] <bddebian> They aren't on his site that I can find
[03:45] <LaserJock> it's called something different (isn't that great) I think gcu
[03:45] <bddebian> Daniel Leidart
[03:45] <bddebian> Ohhh
[03:45] <bddebian> I see he has bkchem there :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> Hmm his gcu is still 0.4.8 too :-(
[03:51] <LaserJock> yes
[03:51] <ryanakca> LaserJock: you had me searching for nothing :)
[03:51] <LaserJock> ryanakca: did I? sorry :-)
[03:51] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/eqonomize/common -> ../common = /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
[03:52] <LaserJock> ok
[03:52] <LaserJock> so should it do that?
[03:52] <ryanakca> mind advocating it? or anything else I should work on in the morning
[03:52] <ryanakca> yep
[03:53] <ryanakca> they all point to it... it's the headers and stuff like that for kde help...
[03:54] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/*/ all have a link in them to ../common
[03:55] <ryanakca> bed, see yah
[03:55] <LaserJock> ryanakca: yeah, I'd ack it
[03:56] <ryanakca> ack it?
[03:56] <LaserJock> advocate
[03:56] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:56] <ryanakca> bye :)
[03:56] <LaserJock> cya
[03:58] <LaserJock> that is I'll ack it as soon as I figure out how to use this thing
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm going to have to join #kubuntu
[03:59] <bddebian> Why?
[04:00] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to use things
[04:00] <LaserJock> my kde foo is quite weak ;-)
[04:00] <LaserJock> fu
[04:08] <bddebian> What are you trying to do
[04:08] <bddebian> ?
[04:10] <LaserJock> oh
[04:10] <LaserJock> heh
[04:10] <LaserJock> copy
[04:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:22] <Kyral> ....
[04:22] <Kyral> You didn't know how to copy something in KDE?
[04:22] <Kyral> .....its no different than any other WM!
[04:22] <LaserJock> no
[04:23] <LaserJock> there is no keyboard shortcut
[04:23] <LaserJock> in Konsole
[04:23] <LaserJock> for copy
[04:23] <LaserJock> they have one for paste though, which is odd that you would have one but not the other
[04:23] <Kyral> CTRL+C
[04:23] <Kyral> its a general shortcut
[04:24] <Kyral> thats odd..its set as a general shortcut in the main Shortcuts menu....
[04:24] <LaserJock> it doesn't work in console
[04:25] <LaserJock> and paste is Shift-Insert
[04:25] <Kyral> I just use middle click anyway
[04:25] <LaserJock> gnome-terminal is the same way
[04:25] <LaserJock> ctr-shift-{c,v}
[04:25] <LaserJock> I don't have very good middle clickers on any of my mice
[04:25] <Kyral> ah
[04:26] <LaserJock> hi Kyral, btw
[04:26] <Kyral> Busting my ass all day moving freshmen in
[04:26] <bddebian> Ack, the newer gnome-chemical-utils needs chemical-mime-data
[04:26] <Kyral> farking hualling fridges up stairs
[04:26] <Kyral> huh LJ?
[04:27] <LaserJock> what?
[04:28] <Kyral> oh I didn't see the hi lol
[04:29] <Kyral> I thought you were gonna ask me something for some reason
[04:30] <LaserJock> oh
[04:31] <Kyral> cat /dev/null > /dev/kyral
[04:39] <bddebian> Damn I hate not knowing what to work on
[04:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: do you want a project?
[04:49] <LaserJock> one that will make you a hero? ;-)
[04:49] <bddebian> Whatcha need?
[04:50] <LaserJock> fix bug 43150
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "wxmaxima fails with error, can't connect to maxima" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, I was just looking at that list
[04:56] <bddebian> Ack, maxima is a pig :-)
[04:58] <LaserJock> yep
[04:58] <LaserJock> I tried to just recompile it and that didn't fix it
[05:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: Is maxima the issue or wxmaxima?
[05:01] <LaserJock> honestly I don't know
[05:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Do you know if it's still an issue in Edgy?
[05:06] <LaserJock> yes, it is I believe
[05:06] <LaserJock> it's got a slightly different manifestation (I don't think it gives you an error, it just doesn't do anything)
[05:07] <bddebian> Nice
[05:18] <bddebian> As usual, gdb is less than helpful
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  ddd is friendly enough, insight is fucked and refuses to step through LINES of source code.
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> gdb is less than helpful even in cases where a debugger is exactly what you need :/
[05:30] <StevenK> gdb is helpful, it's just hard to drive.
[05:30] <bddebian> Well not on stripped binaries :-)
[05:31] <StevenK> Hah
[05:31] <StevenK> Of course not.
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> ah
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> lol no, not really :)
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  objdump -d
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> At any rate I am going to sleep.  I leave you with this note:
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> CompTIA is awesome; when you get a Security+ certification they send you a card to slip in your wallet so you can be ID'd as a Certified Security Professional on the scene of a shooting or accident or whatnot.
[06:25] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:25] <FliesLikeABrick> nn
[06:34] <Hobbsee> * The pyromaniac waves hello
[06:36] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!!!
[06:37] <Hobbsee> LaserJock!
[06:41] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Heh
[06:42] <Quinn_Storm> hehe
[06:42] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I can see where Keybuk and Kamion are coming from - some people have sync'd from Debian and dumped some changes. Due to those people, the rest of you have to convince us.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> StevenK: true that.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i'll use my big pointy stick of DOOM for that!
[06:43] <StevenK> Heh
[06:44] <Hobbsee> which is even better when it's got FIRE at the end of it :D
[06:44] <StevenK> Hobbsee: The two open sync requests I have were fixed easily to conform, which I was grateful for.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> StevenK: true that.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, that's only for debian syncs...  hmmm
[06:45] <StevenK> Oh geez, which poor bastard adopted spe.
[06:46] <StevenK> It should be -0.2, you bozo!
[06:46] <Fujitsu> What is it actually?
[06:46] <StevenK> spe? A Python editor
[06:46] <Fujitsu> I mean the version.
[06:47] <StevenK> Oh. 0.8.2a+repack-0.1 is my upload, and Matej uploaded 0.8.2a+repack-1
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> StevenK: presumably they're not the maintainer?
[06:49] <LaserJock> "i'll use my big pointy stick of DOOM for that!"
[06:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: whatever for?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that's MY line!
[06:49] <LaserJock> I'm always a bit nervous every time I upload
[06:49] <Hobbsee> why so?
[06:50] <LaserJock> what if I make a mistake? and they Hobbsee will get out her big stick
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh, StevenK, that reminds me.  you need to sign my key.
[06:50] <LaserJock> s/they/then/
[06:50] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah.  more like keybuk will yell at you
[06:50] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Matej is a QA type person.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> last i knew, i wasnt an archive person
[06:51] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I just stay in Universe where nobody will notice ;-)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: point.  they seem to notice anyway though.  lurking doesnt work.  i tried that.
[06:53] <LaserJock> darn
[06:53] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: well if you're going to lurk, never do it on any of the -dev or -motu channels.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> which is just no fun at all, really.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Lurking in -dev shouldn't be a problem, as it doesn't exist :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> muhahahaha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it refers to multiple places
[07:03] <Fujitsu> Ooh dear.
[07:04] <Fujitsu> What did you do to it?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> "hello mrs hobbs (!), i'm here from the encology..."  "no thankyou, we're not interested in telemarketers, goodbye" *hangs up*
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[07:06] <LaserJock> I just don't answer the phone
[07:07] <Hobbsee> i wasnt going to
[07:08] <Hobbsee> it was showing as "out of area", which i know dad sometimes ends up calling from
[07:08] <Hobbsee> and dad's calls sometimes takes a while to connect too, so...
[07:09] <LaserJock> bummer
[07:10] <LaserJock> it's so much easier than shell scripting
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[07:20] <LaserJock> of course that could be just because I don't know how to write a decent shell script
[07:20] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:47] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:47] <Hobbsee> do we have to do that, or only for new ones?
[07:48] <crimsun> I want to be thorough, so I made the new sync policy retroactive for all my outstanding sync requests.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> true that
[08:01] <LaserJock> new sync policy?
[08:01] <tseng> yeah, what?
[08:02] <LaserJock> when did we get a new policy?
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Yes, a couple of days back.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Keybuk announced it on -devel-announce.
[08:04] <LaserJock> hmpf
[08:05] <LaserJock> interesting
[08:06] <LaserJock> more work for us in exchange for getting syncs faster
[08:06] <crimsun> fair tradeoff.
[08:07] <tseng> link?
[08:07] <tseng> or subject
[08:07] <tseng> im too dumb, or tired, to see it
[08:07] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[08:07] <LaserJock> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[08:07] <tseng> yay
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:53] <micahcowan> If I submit a .debdiff that "becomes" the next package version (that is, my name is at the top of the changelog), I become the package's "creator"?
[11:08] <AnAnt> I have a problem packaging a library (fsplib), it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. So I made fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*
[11:08] <AnAnt> yet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs ! anyone knows what may cause that ?
[11:09] <Fujitsu> The extra tmp/ in the path?
[11:12] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: well, isn't that the default that the package is installed in debian/tmp/, by default DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[11:17] <AnAnt> ajmitch: could you remove an incomplete upload for elinks
[11:22] <AnAnt> siretart: could you remove an incomplete upload for elinks
[11:23] <siretart> AnAnt: done
[11:24] <AnAnt> siretart: thanks
[11:24] <AnAnt> anyone knows where I can get help regarding packaging libraries ?
[11:46] <shawarma> Hm... When a package is said to be published, what is missing before it is actually availabe in the archive?
[11:48] <shawarma> It says on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rawstudio that the package is published, but it's not apt-getable nor on packages.ubuntu.com (which is probably the same thing).
[11:51] <Fujitsu> It's only been 13 hours, shawarma, and a large delay can be expected.
[11:53] <Fujitsu> It's still in the New queue.
[11:54] <shawarma> Fujitsu: No, it's not.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> The binaries are.
[11:55] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh!
[11:55] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=rawstudio
[11:55] <Fujitsu> If you look for a source package, you can probably see it.
[11:55] <shawarma> Right, I forgot that the binaries end up in a NEW queue as well.
[11:56] <shawarma> hmm... Check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=rawstudio
[11:56] <shawarma> It looks as though translations are architecture specific.. That can't be right.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> No, I think it just means that the package has translations.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Although I have no experience with Soyuz.
[11:57] <shawarma> rawstudio_0.3-0ubuntu1_powerpc_translations.tar.gz sure does look arch specific. :-)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> I do like the translation icon.
[11:57] <shawarma> brb
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[11:58] <Fujitsu> SO it does.
[11:59] <Fujitsu> Although if you look at other binary packages in NEW, they also have the translations like that.
[12:35] <Arbiter> Can someone review these packages, please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2955 (ktagebuch) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2953 (knowit) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2952 (kcmpureftpd). Thanks
[03:32] <POX_> hi, I have created some packages for Debian and they were copied to Ubuntu Edgy (universe). What should I do to keep them up to date in Ubuntu? They were automatically synchronized at least till 12. july. Should I upload them (they're building fine in edgy's chroot) to revu.tauware.de?
[03:37] <geser> which package is it?
[03:37] <POX_> https://launchpad.net/people/pox/+packages
[03:37] <POX_> griffith, paste*, ...
[03:52] <imbrandon> POX_: you have newer version avaible ?>
[03:52] <POX_> yes, they already in Debian
[03:52] <POX_> + are
[03:52] <imbrandon> unstable ? if so we can just sync them
[03:53] <imbrandon> if changes are nessesary for the ubuntu ones
[03:53] <POX_> some even in testing
[03:53] <imbrandon> i can sponsor them
[03:53] <POX_> can I just list package names, or do you want links to sources?
[03:54] <imbrandon> ok to make my life a bit easier can you give me a list of the ones that have newer versions in debain and i'll get them either merged or synced today
[03:54] <imbrandon> nah package names is fine
[03:54] <imbrandon> or you can shoot me a email with links to dsc files
[03:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:54] <imbrandon> what ever you wish
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( email is imbrandon@kubuntu.org if you go that route )
[03:57] <POX_> imbrandon: thanks, I will send you mail in couple of minutes
[03:57] <imbrandon> sure thing 
[03:58] <POX_> well if you want just names, here they are: griffith, paste, pastedeploy, pastescript
[03:58] <POX_> (source packages)
[03:58] <tseng> azeem: stupid trolls.
[03:58] <imbrandon> POX_: ok that works , no need for a email then
[03:58] <POX_> imbrandon: and  routes
[03:58] <imbrandon> moins tseng
[03:58] <tseng> hi imbrandon
[03:59] <imbrandon> you know untill burgers blog i never knew you were and old gentoo guy 
[03:59] <tseng> yes, some years ago
[03:59] <imbrandon> ok POX_ i'll get on that as soon as this compile finishes ( ~20 minutes )
[03:59] <POX_> ok, no problem
[03:59] <tseng> it was the fastest way to gnome crack of the day before ubuntu came along
[03:59] <imbrandon> POX_: for future ref your more than welcome to email me with dsc links i can dget
[04:00] <imbrandon> or pop in here 
[04:00] <POX_> ok thanks
[04:00] <imbrandon> tseng: ahh  thats how i came to be with kubuntu ( fastest way for kde crack in a packaged distro heh )
[04:00] <tseng> imbrandon: :)
[04:01] <imbrandon> before this is was a SuSE man but suse/rpm is too much of a pita
[04:01] <tseng> ugh
[04:01] <imbrandon> for me personaly anyhow some swear by it
[04:01] <tseng> never could stomach suse
[04:02] <imbrandon> well they always have had the latest kde crack i give them that, but any rpm distro is to much of a pita IMHO
[04:02] <imbrandon> but thats just me personaly 
[04:02] <BazziR> rpms make baby jesus cry :(
[04:02] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:32] <Arbiter> hi bddebian
[04:32] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian :)
[04:32] <bddebian> Hi Arbiter, imbrandon
[04:32] <bddebian> & Kamping_Kaiser :-)
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:33] <Arbiter> ;)
[04:46] <gnomefreak> there is no ubuntu packaging guide right? we use the debian one?
[04:46] <imbrandon> !packguide
[04:46] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:46] <azeem> gnomefreak: there is one AFAIK
[04:47] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: ^^ there ya go 
[04:47] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:49] <welshbyte> good afternoon
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[04:49] <welshbyte> ello bddebian
[04:59] <gnomefreak> for pbuilder do i just grab the debootstrap.deb from packages.ubuntu.com and than run the pbuilder set up?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> yay pbuilder is building :)
[05:16] <imbrandon> now put a dapper/edgy/sid pbuilder on the same box 
[05:16] <imbrandon> thats fun ( actualy its easy once you have one )
[05:16] <gnomefreak> i should be setting pbuilder up for all of those?
[05:17] <imbrandon>  hmmm hmm hmmm  lunch time 
[05:17] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: wel if you will be building for those yes
[05:17] <imbrandon> those are the most common used atm
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ah ok im gonna start with edgy and see how it goes first i think ;)
[05:18] <imbrandon> ok lunch time bbiab  humms some more 
[05:35] <gnomefreak> this is taking its time brb smoke
[06:28] <gnomefreak> how do you make a changelog file? is it just mkdir changelog?
[06:29] <azeem> mkdir?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> the naming is what im concerned about more than anything
[06:29] <azeem> are you talking about the debian/changelog file?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:30] <azeem> what naming are you referring to?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> the name of the file
[06:30] <gnomefreak> just changelog?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> i have to save it as something in the dir im in
[06:30] <POX_> gnomefreak: man dch
[06:30] <azeem> debian/changelog is debian/changelog, yes
[06:31] <gnomefreak> k
[06:47] <gnomefreak> there is something im not seeing when i go to use dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot its telling me error: badly formatted heading line, at changelog line 1
[06:47] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[06:48] <gnomefreak> first line of changelog is Source: hello
[06:48] <POX_> gnomefreak: changelog or _control_ file?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> changelog its telling me
[06:49] <gnomefreak> i copied nad pasted the error
[06:49] <POX_> "Source: hello" should be in debian/control
[06:49] <POX_> ah
[06:50] <POX_> what do you have in changelog
[06:50] <POX_> package name?
[06:50] <POX_> did you change control file as well?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> package: hello
[06:50] <azeem> gnomefreak: paste the content of debian/changelog to a pastebin
[06:50] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:51] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21707
[06:52] <azeem> that's a control file, not a changelog file
[06:52] <azeem> gnomefreak: see a random source package for how debian/changelog should be formatted
[06:52] <gnomefreak> could be a good reason :(
[07:02] <gnomefreak> ok heres the real changelog now its giving me error in line 5 (name and date line) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21708
[07:03] <azeem> there's at least a space missing at the beginning of the lind
[07:03] <azeem> line
[07:03] <gnomefreak> k
[07:04] <azeem> gnomefreak: try to run dch -i
[07:04] <azeem> that should give you a new changelog entry
[07:04] <azeem> then use the generated date line for your original one and delete the rest
[07:04] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[07:20] <cypher1> totem-gstreamer packages seems to have some problems
[07:20] <cypher1> totem-gstreamer available is 1.4.3
[07:20] <cypher1> while totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin depends on 1.4.1
[07:20] <cypher1>   totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin: Depends: totem-gstreamer (= 1.4.1-0ubuntu4) but 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:20] <cypher1> E: Broken packages
[07:20] <cypher1> should i file a Bug report for this ??
[07:21] <gnomefreak> i would but i thought the ff plugin was just updated in edgy yesterday
[07:22] <gnomefreak> is fakeroot normally a pain in the butt? its giving me permissions denied line 150
[07:22] <gnomefreak> im looking at usr/bin/fakeroot line 150 and it looks fine
[07:22] <tseng> fakeroot isnt magic, it cant give you rights to root owned files
[07:22] <tseng> or things you generally don't have access to
[07:23] <tseng> sounds like you have an unclean build tree with root owned files
[07:23] <tseng> or a makefile trying to install things in the real prefix
[07:23] <tseng> something like this
[07:23] <tseng> yeah?
[07:23] <gnomefreak> im going over it again lets see
[07:23] <tseng> DESTDIR not respected
[07:24] <gnomefreak> hard to say ive been following the guide and i havent used sudo yet
[07:31] <gnomefreak> looking through the rules file i see nothing refering to fakeroot (could this be an issue?)
[07:31] <azeem> no
[07:32] <azeem> check your make install target
[07:32] <gnomefreak> this line $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" \
[07:33] <tseng> no
[07:33] <tseng> make install target upstream
[07:33] <tseng> not in rules
[07:33] <gnomefreak> h
[07:33] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:34] <azeem> gnomefreak: well, you should set DESTDIR in rules
[07:34] <tseng> if you didnt already
[07:35] <gnomefreak> i didnt i just used the one with the packaging guide
[07:36] <azeem> so did you set prefix?
[07:36] <bddebian> OK, WTF.  I attach gdb to maxima and now wxmaxima doesn't puke
[07:36] <gnomefreak> in rules?
[07:36] <azeem> yes
[07:37] <tseng> bddebian: race condition?
[07:38] <gnomefreak> prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install  is the prefix line in rules
[07:38] <azeem> maybe that doesn't work for your package
[07:38] <bddebian> tseng: How would I know?  I do know it's failing on event.GetSocketEvent()
[07:38] <tseng> s/pwd/CURDIR ?
[07:39] <azeem> gnomefreak: you said you're using fakeroot, right?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> trying to
[07:39] <tseng> bddebian: just a guess, gdb slows things down
[07:39] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot is what im trying to run
[07:40] <azeem> why -S?
[07:40] <azeem> gnomefreak: paste the full output
[07:40] <gnomefreak> to build a source package
[07:41] <azeem> ok, but then your issue is something else, sorry
[07:41] <tseng> like a root-owned file in the source tree
[07:41] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21713
[07:42] <tseng> ls -la debian/rules ?
[07:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: uhm
[07:42] <gnomefreak> -rw------- 1 gnomefreak gnomefreak 2200 2006-08-26 13:13 debian/rules
[07:42] <tseng> there you go.
[07:43] <azeem> gnomefreak: it would've helped if you pasted the full error line from the beginning
[07:43] <tseng> yeah, seriously
[07:43] <gnomefreak> azeem: i did
[07:43] <azeem> no
[07:43] <gnomefreak> no?
[07:43] <tseng> nope.
[07:43] <azeem> 19:15 < gnomefreak> is fakeroot normally a pain in the butt? its giving me permissions denied line 150
[07:43] <gnomefreak> line 150?
[07:43] <tseng> no
[07:43] <azeem> it says
[07:43] <azeem> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied
[07:43] <tseng> debian/rules dude
[07:43] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:44] <tseng> please don't make up what you think are the important parts in the future
[07:44] <tseng> im off, bbl
[07:44] <tseng> chmod +x for the win
[07:44] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[08:03] <seaLne> could some clarify for me do completly new packages have to be in edgy by featurefreeze or universefreeze?  i had assumed universefreeze
[08:07] <gnomefreak> after i run lintian -i *.dsc and it comes up good im done?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> seaLne: i thought it was universe also but im looking it up
[08:10] <crimsun> gnomefreak: did you test-install, test-upgrade, test-downgrade, test-remove?
[08:10] <crimsun> seaLne: universe freeze.
[08:10] <crimsun> late Sept.
[08:10] <gnomefreak> no :(
[08:10] <gnomefreak> i just tested it in pbuilder
[08:12] <gnomefreak> and everyting seemed on in the pbuilder test than i ran the above to check for common mistakes
[08:14] <gnomefreak> i think pbuilder only ran test install by the looks of it
[08:14] <azeem> gnomefreak: check lintian on the resulting *i386.changes
[08:14] <welshbyte> and linda
[08:14] <gnomefreak> dont know how to use linda
[08:15] <welshbyte> man linda ;)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> im assuming this is bad error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package *i386.changes in dist or lab (skipping)
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ok i used linda -C *i386.changes and it looks like a small part of a backtrace
[08:21] <gnomefreak> s/backtrace/is a traceback
[08:22] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: ls *i386.changes
[08:22] <gnomefreak> ls *i386.changes
[08:23] <gnomefreak> oops
[08:23] <gnomefreak> ls: *i386.changes: No such file or directory
[08:23] <welshbyte> exactly
[08:24] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: you should be running lintian and linda on the .dsc file and the .debs that you build from the source package
[08:25] <seaLne> crimsun: ta
[08:26] <gnomefreak> lintian -i *.dsc   << ran that i dont see any .debs in the files sadly but looking again
[08:27] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: if you're building with pbuilder, debs are usually put in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[08:28] <gnomefreak> ok looking
[08:29] <gnomefreak> yes i found a *i386.changes and a deb in there :) so run linda nad the onter on those files?
[08:29] <gnomefreak> other
[08:29] <welshbyte> yep
[08:30] <gnomefreak> ok linda didnt like it
[08:31] <azeem> run linda like lintian, i.e. on .dsc and .changes filse
[08:31] <azeem> files
[08:32] <gnomefreak> using linda -C file.changes and file.dsc right?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> i found old copyrite address gives me the new one
[08:32] <azeem> no idea what you mean, sorry
[08:33] <welshbyte> you don't need the -C
[08:34] <gnomefreak> oh ok lets try again
[08:35] <gnomefreak> linda gave me this on the .changes "E: hello; Binary /usr/bin/hello contains unneeded section comment."
[08:36] <gnomefreak> same on the .deb
[08:39] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: what language is the software you're packaging written in?
[08:40] <gnomefreak> english if you mean programming launguage it looks like bash
[08:41] <welshbyte> you're packaging bash scripts?
[08:41] <azeem> gnomefreak: no, it's probably written in C
[08:41] <azeem> gnomefreak: looks like you are not stripping the binary
[08:41] <gnomefreak> C or since the traceback gave me .py maybe python
[08:42] <welshbyte> azeem: linda has problems with bytecode iirc and gives that warning
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: linda is written in python
[08:42] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: work off your own, I'd suggest
[08:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: you are still packaging GNU hello, right?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:42] <gnomefreak> i fixed all the other errors
[08:42] <welshbyte> ah
[08:43] <gnomefreak> im running pbuilder again after changing the copywrite address for GNU
[08:45] <gnomefreak> so pbuilder runs what looks like /.configure and make
[08:50] <gnomefreak> now trying with debhelper
[09:15] <gnomefreak> what in gods name does this mean dpkg-source: error: syntax error in control file ./hello-2.1.1/debian/control at line 16: continued value line not in field (im concered about the conituned line not in field part
[09:16] <crimsun> pastebin the debian/control
[09:17] <gnomefreak> k
[09:19] <gnomefreak> the full error is listed first   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21716
[09:20] <azeem> the Description looks funny
[09:21] <azeem> the Description: line should have at least 70 characters
[09:21] <azeem> eh, at most
[09:21] <crimsun> there's a duplicate Build-Depends line, and yeah, the Description is mucked
[09:21] <gnomefreak> if i back the next line up to the one that errors on than theres no space between words
[09:22] <crimsun> blank lines should have a marker, generally '.'
[09:22] <azeem> no space between words?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> yeah i had those in there once
[09:22] <azeem> gnomefreak: did you actually look at another package's control file yet?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> azeem: im looking at the one for this package
[09:23] <gnomefreak> its on the packaging guide
[09:25] <azeem> then maybe look at a couple others as well
[09:26] <gnomefreak> heres new one with new error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21718
[09:26] <gnomefreak> this is second ive looked at 1st = hello prgram i did first and than this one plus the 2 in the guide
[09:27] <gnomefreak> the errors i spent most time on in first hello package was tab/space errors
[09:29] <azeem> the first line of your long description is a .
[09:29] <azeem> remove that line
[09:29] <azeem> or rather, actually make the short decription (what comes after Description:) not be part of the long description
[09:31] <gnomefreak> ok let me see if that helps
[09:35] <gnomefreak> nope i change the paragraphs around in all directions still getting the lin-colon error
[09:36] <azeem> repaste
[09:36] <gnomefreak> not field-colon-value) error
[09:36] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:37] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21719
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i triedd both with and without the . for blank lines same error either way
[09:38] <azeem> gnomefreak: what packaging guide are you reading?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[09:38] <azeem> the first line of your long description still has a '.'
[09:38] <azeem> gnomefreak: in my browser that renders as "Description: The classic greeting, and a good example"
[09:39] <azeem> and then
[09:39] <azeem> " The GNU hello program produces a familiar, friendly greeting.  It"
[09:39] <gnomefreak> yeah
[09:39] <azeem> (mind the space at the beginning)
[09:39] <azeem> your Description line is way too long
[09:39] <azeem> and your first line reads "."
[09:40] <gnomefreak> you mean the . between paragraphs?
[09:41] <azeem> 21:32 < azeem> and your first line reads "." 21:33 -!- tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac]  has quit [Connection timed out] 
[09:41] <azeem> oops, sorry
[09:42] <azeem> gnomefreak: what is the difference between the short and the long description?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> the long disciption tells you about it the short is referring you to another
[09:43] <azeem> to another?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> sorry to same
[09:43] <azeem> I am not talking about your package, I am asking in general
[09:43] <gnomefreak> the long should tell you in more detail what the app is and does
[09:44] <azeem> what is the short description in your package?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> little more detail
[09:44] <gnomefreak> it should tell you name of the app for the most part maybe refer you to man page
[09:45] <azeem> what is the short description in your package?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> right after description:
[09:45] <azeem> until?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> the classic greeting starts long
[09:46] <azeem> then maybe the pastebin is failing
[09:46] <azeem> hrm, or wait
[09:46] <gnomefreak> to what it is.  << last line of short
[09:47] <gnomefreak> azeem: in pastebin look at the white part on bottom to see real format
[09:47] <gnomefreak> thats not even right
[09:47] <azeem> that doesn't render line breaks
[09:47] <azeem> gnomefreak: so where does the short description end?
[09:48] <gnomefreak> "to what it is" the very last line of short
[09:48] <azeem> ok
[09:49] <azeem> so what is between the end of the short description, and the starting of the long description?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> just the . in the blank lines
[09:49] <azeem> why is it there?
[09:50] <azeem> is it in the packaging guide as well?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:52] <gnomefreak> ok not real sure what happened there http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21721  screenshot of file
[09:53] <azeem> what is that supposed to show?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> the exact format of it
[09:55] <azeem> the question is rather:  Why do you see a "." on an otherwise blank line in between the end of the short description and the starting of the long description in the packaging guide?
[09:55] <azeem> because I don't see it here
[09:56] <gnomefreak> i had it there if you look at the non screen shot post
[09:56] <azeem> you said you had it there because it was in the packaging guide as well
[09:57] <gnomefreak> correct i had them there since they are in the guide but still errored iirc same but i will tell you in a moment
[09:57] <gnomefreak> change that they are there in my file atm running the command again
[10:00] <gnomefreak> same error with or without the . on blanklines
[10:01] <welshbyte> gnomefreak: read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions
[10:01] <azeem> welshbyte: I was just about to suggest that
[10:01] <bddebian> welshbyte: Hey, old buddy, old pal..
[10:01] <welshbyte> bddebian: ello ... uh... bddebian :)
[10:01] <azeem> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description is useful as well
[10:01] <bddebian> welshbyte: Are you bored? ;-)
[10:01] <welshbyte> bddebian: a bit
[10:02] <bddebian> welshbyte: How's your debug (gdb?) skills? :-)
[10:03] <welshbyte> bddebian: uh, i have basic skill with it :)
[10:04] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:04] <welshbyte> what needs debugging?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> k reading
[10:05] <bddebian> Well I rebuilt maxima/wxmaxima unstripped but when I attach gdb to maxima, wxmaxima doesn't fail
[10:05] <bddebian> Bug #43150
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "wxmaxima fails with error, can't connect to maxima" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[10:06] <azeem> bddebian: and it fails if you just run the unstripped binaries normally?
[10:06] <bddebian> azeem: Yes
[10:06] <bddebian> tseng thinks maybe it's a race condition
[10:06] <bddebian> I know it fails on event.GetSocketEvent() in src/wxMaxima.cpp
[10:07] <welshbyte> if the bug is on dapper i'll have a look at it
[10:07] <bddebian> Aye, Dapper
[10:09] <crimsun> gnomefreak: are you located near the Triangle area?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:10] <gnomefreak> im out by jordan lake
[10:10] <crimsun> I'm going to meet up with some LUGmates for dinner at Elmo's (in Carrboro); if you want to do a quick keysigning I can
[10:10] <gnomefreak> tonight?
[10:10] <crimsun> yes, I'm leaving in 20 mins
[10:10] <crimsun> (from Greensboro)
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ack i cant make it tonight
[10:11] <crimsun> np
[10:11] <gnomefreak> thank you though
[10:11] <bddebian> Can I come? :-)
[10:12] <gnomefreak> brb changing pcs
[10:13] <crimsun> bddebian: if you can make it to Raleigh, NC by 5:30 PM EDT, sure :)
[10:13] <bddebian> Hmm, that might be tough :-)
[10:16] <welshbyte> bddebian: rules file looks basic but i haven't learnt cdbs yet... how do i pass an option to the configure script?
[10:17] <bddebian> welshbyte: I think you could pass DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS or whatever it's called?
[10:18] <azeem> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is an environment variable
[10:18] <azeem> welshbyte: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml is pretty good
[10:18] <bddebian> Well export I meant
[10:19] <welshbyte> brb phone
[10:19] <bddebian> welshbyte: Otherwise I think you have to add a congigure:<package> target
[10:19] <azeem> https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2500057 talks about it
[10:20] <azeem> bddebian: but that wouldn't get appended to the configure line
[10:20] <bddebian> azeem: Oh, aye
[10:27] <welshbyte> ack, haven't created a pbuilder on this machine yet *waits*
[10:48] <welshbyte> uh, my pbuilder can't satisfy the dependency on libwxgtk2.6-dev
[10:49] <welshbyte> but it's installed fine... odd
[10:52] <bddebian> welshbyte: Do you have universe setup in your pbuilderrc?
[10:53] <welshbyte> heh probably not.. what do i need to add?
[10:54] <bddebian> OTHERMIRROR="deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse"
[10:54] <welshbyte> ah components is commented out
[10:55] <welshbyte> i miss my development machine
[11:00] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[11:01] <welshbyte> ello LaserJock
[11:01] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and welshbyte
[11:11] <welshbyte> ah building at last
[11:11] <welshbyte> hope this one doesn't take 16 hours ;)
[11:12] <bddebian> Nah, it's relatively quick :)
[11:12] <welshbyte> cool
[11:12] <Whoopie> this is really OT, but I hope you can help: there's a guy on another channel who offends other user in this channel. How is it possible kick or ban him?
[11:15] <LaserJock> Whoopie: perhaps try #ubuntu-ops?
[11:16] <Whoopie> LaserJock: it's not an ubuntu channel. Sorry, didn't mention it. But it's a freenode channel.
[11:16] <LaserJock> Whoopie: some of the Ubuntu ops are also freenode staff
[11:16] <Whoopie> LaserJock: ok, I try. Thanks!
[11:41] <welshbyte> bddebian: how did you get it to build unstripped?
[11:42] <bddebian> welshbyte: You can either remove dh_strip, or : export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"
[11:42] <LaserJock> yep
[11:42] <welshbyte> thanks