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| troy_s | hello pingunz. | 02:41 |
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| troy_s | how are you doing? | 02:41 |
| PingunZ | fine :) | 02:42 |
| PingunZ | you ? | 02:42 |
| troy_s | Good thanks. | 02:49 |
| troy_s | Frank says you have been quite busy. | 02:49 |
| PingunZ | With what ? | 02:49 |
| troy_s | Ubuntu Art involvement. | 02:49 |
| PingunZ | And more specific ? | 02:50 |
| troy_s | No, he wasn't. | 02:50 |
| PingunZ | Cause I wasn't that busy IMO. | 02:50 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I saw your new GDM / splash mockups. They look nice ( a bit too dark IMO), I'd like to make them once they revised a little :) | 02:56 |
| PingunZ | I like the general idea of a face-browser. | 02:56 |
| troy_s | the dark is actually the default dapper wallpaper | 02:56 |
| troy_s | yes, but by default a face browser has been declined. | 02:57 |
| PingunZ | Why is that ? | 02:57 |
| troy_s | i will be uploading the 2ndary palette shortly | 02:57 |
| troy_s | once i get it into gpl format | 02:57 |
| troy_s | because of security reasons | 02:57 |
| troy_s | it is better for workstations to be configured for use with non face browsing. | 02:57 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: A face browser still requires a password .. | 02:58 |
| PingunZ | so it is safe | 02:58 |
| PingunZ | IMO :) | 02:58 |
| troy_s | not exactly | 02:58 |
| troy_s | knowing what to logon as eliminates exactly 50% of the security effort. | 02:58 |
| troy_s | and you can't rely on users passwords to be secure | 02:58 |
| troy_s | which is why there has been plenty of discussion regarding that. | 02:59 |
| PingunZ | Hmm | 02:59 |
| PingunZ | I understand :) | 02:59 |
| troy_s | indeed. | 02:59 |
| troy_s | face browsers are to be optional | 02:59 |
| troy_s | but again, that takes more xml work etc. | 02:59 |
| troy_s | and i simply don' thave the time to accomodate anything except the default install look/feel | 02:59 |
| PingunZ | yes, but it looks very nice | 02:59 |
| troy_s | true, but i don't have the time to create two. | 03:00 |
| PingunZ | hehe :) | 03:00 |
| troy_s | i just updated the source files there | 03:00 |
| PingunZ | I'll try to create one, I have some spare time | 03:00 |
| troy_s | at the troy_s page below the primary | 03:00 |
| PingunZ | and a little GDM-experience | 03:00 |
| troy_s | they are quite easy, but my time is very limited. | 03:00 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: once the buttons are finished I would like to make that GDM. | 03:02 |
| PingunZ | If that is ok to you ? | 03:02 |
| troy_s | completely fine, in fact | 03:02 |
| troy_s | i encourage you to take the work and build on it | 03:02 |
| troy_s | it is what we are seeking to develop in the art community currenlty | 03:02 |
| PingunZ | I warn you, I'm un-experienced :) | 03:02 |
| troy_s | blah | 03:03 |
| troy_s | no harm in trying! | 03:03 |
| troy_s | we have been trying _Very_ hard to build a collaborative structure | 03:03 |
| troy_s | file formats and such get in the way, but I think we are making headway | 03:03 |
| troy_s | send me your work via email, i would love to see it | 03:03 |
| troy_s | and provide a face browser as an alternative | 03:03 |
| PingunZ | yes, but you still have a big way to go | 03:03 |
| troy_s | just give me your work with the temp buttons in or whatever | 03:03 |
| troy_s | actually the gdm is quite easy to finish button wise | 03:04 |
| troy_s | the collaboration factor will take more cycles to develop | 03:04 |
| troy_s | and for people to understand | 03:04 |
| troy_s | which is why it is important that if you can, try contributing. | 03:04 |
| troy_s | base your work on the AiC's guidance | 03:04 |
| PingunZ | AiC ? | 03:04 |
| troy_s | and simply derive what you can at your given pace /leve | 03:04 |
| troy_s | level | 03:04 |
| troy_s | artist in chief | 03:04 |
| troy_s | frank scheop | 03:04 |
| PingunZ | I know him ;) | 03:05 |
| troy_s | Indeed. | 03:05 |
| troy_s | He has done _amazing_ structural work this term. | 03:05 |
| troy_s | I hope he will be back for a 2nd. | 03:05 |
| PingunZ | I havent seen him in a while .. | 03:05 |
| troy_s | he is _very_ busy right now | 03:05 |
| troy_s | deadlines are approaching fast | 03:05 |
| troy_s | so we really need a full body of work in. | 03:06 |
| troy_s | quickly. | 03:06 |
| troy_s | i will try to get another palette out | 03:06 |
| troy_s | and that might be the extent of my effort for this weekend. | 03:06 |
| troy_s | the lighter palette is | 03:06 |
| troy_s | similar to some of the things that were gathered on the summary page | 03:06 |
| PingunZ | The lighter palette is for the gdm, .. ? | 03:07 |
| troy_s | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006 | 03:07 |
| troy_s | for all of them | 03:07 |
| troy_s | wall_02_troy | 03:07 |
| troy_s | is close to it. | 03:07 |
| troy_s | same design | 03:07 |
| troy_s | but different palette | 03:07 |
| troy_s | anyways, good luck | 03:07 |
| troy_s | i look forward to anything you can manage | 03:07 |
| troy_s | thanks pingunz. | 03:08 |
| PingunZ | Well I'll need xara for that | 03:08 |
| PingunZ | but my apt-get is broken atm :p | 03:08 |
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| troy_s | Eek. | 03:08 |
| troy_s | You on a 32 bit system? | 03:08 |
| troy_s | if so, you don't need apt | 03:08 |
| troy_s | just go to www.xaraextreme.org | 03:09 |
| troy_s | download the tarball | 03:09 |
| troy_s | and run the binary | 03:09 |
| troy_s | should work out of box | 03:09 |
| PingunZ | ok :) | 03:09 |
| troy_s | it is a very powerful program | 03:09 |
| troy_s | i love it... and svg support is coming into the stream during this development cycle. | 03:09 |
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| troy_s | ls | 03:16 |
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| troy_s | Greetings Madpilot | 03:27 |
| Madpilot | hi troy_s | 03:27 |
| troy_s | How have things been with you? | 03:28 |
| Madpilot | busy as heck | 03:28 |
| troy_s | Understatement of the year award. | 03:28 |
| troy_s | ;) | 03:29 |
| Madpilot | heh. Some nice Edgy art coming in - wish I had time to do more than lurk on the artwork IRC channel ;) | 03:29 |
| troy_s | hey mad | 03:30 |
| troy_s | i just wanted to say | 03:30 |
| troy_s | your cthulubuntu was awsome! | 03:30 |
| troy_s | i loved it. | 03:30 |
| troy_s | made me laugh my ass off. | 03:30 |
| troy_s | it was sooooo coincidental because i was considering doing a halloween / april 1 set | 03:30 |
| troy_s | with that sort of approach | 03:30 |
| troy_s | Madpilot: do you think you could post your cthulubuntu lsplash to the artwork wiki? | 03:31 |
| troy_s | I really thought it was hilarious. | 03:31 |
| Madpilot | I could. Maybe I'll turn it into a proper theme set one of these days ;) | 03:31 |
| Madpilot | Green ooze, tentacles & eyeballs | 03:31 |
| troy_s | or something along those lines. | 03:32 |
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| alex_joni | hello, I want to build a custom artwork package for dapper. is there any stuff to start from ? | 02:52 |
| alex_joni | can I simply make a deb that replaces the standard png's? (I am thinking about desktop background, splash screen etc.) | 03:00 |
| kwwii | take the ubuntu-artwork package and modify the pngs in it | 03:31 |
| kwwii | or for kubuntu, take the kubuntu-default-settings package and do the same | 03:31 |
| kwwii | note that some of the pics are not in either of those packages though, so to do it 100% there is more work to it | 03:31 |
| alex_joni | kwwii: thanks, however I am only trying to change the default background. Can I make a simple deb (I know how), and alter /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml ? | 03:36 |
| alex_joni | kwwii: the only thing I'm concearned is: does that file get restored when I remove my package? | 03:38 |
| kwwii | alex_joni: not sure...I would guess that it will leave the changes from your package or create some kind of error | 03:46 |
| kwwii | to be honest, I know very little about packaging for gnome | 03:49 |
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| kwwii | looks like I have to exchange my powerbook battery :-( | 03:53 |
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| PingunZ | ping troy_s | 04:03 |
| PingunZ | brb ( trying to make a skydome image ) | 04:05 |
| PingunZ | cool, I made a skydome :) | 04:20 |
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| troy_s | Go PingunZ | 04:51 |
| troy_s | msikma you in? | 04:51 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I have problem with XaraXL, I'll install it in dapper tomorrow. | 04:53 |
| PingunZ | Or this evening | 04:53 |
| troy_s | what is the problem you are having? | 04:56 |
| troy_s | pingunz | 04:56 |
| PingunZ | well, I have it installed but I get an error when I open it | 04:57 |
| troy_s | what is the error? | 04:57 |
| troy_s | All you should need to do is download the file, extract it using tar / archiver | 04:58 |
| PingunZ | Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 50 : incomplete entry ignored. | 04:58 |
| PingunZ | I have it installed with apt-get | 04:58 |
| troy_s | Ok so let's try stepping you through it. | 04:58 |
| troy_s | Try downloading .7 | 04:58 |
| troy_s | from xaraextreme.org | 04:58 |
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| troy_s | http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download/ | 04:59 |
| troy_s | Tell me when you have done this | 04:59 |
| PingunZ | ok troy_s, brb | 05:01 |
| troy_s | the steps are on that page... you should be ok | 05:03 |
| troy_s | just extract it and try running the binary in the xaralx/bin directory | 05:03 |
| PingunZ | k I'm back, I'll try to install it that way | 05:25 |
| PingunZ | I had serious troubles with edgy yesterday | 05:25 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: What exactly is so good about XaraXL ? | 05:26 |
| troy_s | You would need to try it. | 05:27 |
| troy_s | Inkscape is a wonderful program | 05:27 |
| PingunZ | Ok :) | 05:27 |
| troy_s | But Xara already has feathering and blurs | 05:27 |
| troy_s | etc. | 05:27 |
| troy_s | It is also a darn fast rendering engine | 05:27 |
| PingunZ | I haven't found the time to get used to inkscape yet. | 05:27 |
| troy_s | Inkscape's performance is a bit laggy when you get into slightly complicated images. | 05:27 |
| PingunZ | hmm, how can I install .package files ? | 05:28 |
| PingunZ | cool, that's a nice install way :) | 05:33 |
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| PingunZ | ok, I have xara now, troy_s | 05:34 |
| troy_s | Did you unzip it? | 05:34 |
| troy_s | Even better, you get every version as it pumps out | 05:34 |
| troy_s | Because it is developing _deadly_ fast. | 05:34 |
| troy_s | SVG is right around the corner. | 05:34 |
| PingunZ | Nice :) | 05:34 |
| troy_s | It really is an impressive program. | 05:35 |
| troy_s | Having used Illustrator and such, it has many legs up -- like the realtime grading etc. | 05:35 |
| troy_s | Watch their videos | 05:36 |
| PingunZ | It looks a lot like inkscape | 05:36 |
| troy_s | Sort of... | 05:36 |
| troy_s | Inkscape has some great features. | 05:36 |
| troy_s | And I do like it a lot. | 05:36 |
| troy_s | http://www.xaraxtreme.org/about/movies.html | 05:36 |
| troy_s | There are a few aboslute beginner guides there | 05:37 |
| troy_s | To get your started | 05:37 |
| troy_s | Check the file sizes on complicated drawings and you will see another pretty remarkable side of vector illustration | 05:37 |
| PingunZ | The gdm doesnt seem to have such a nice font as on the screenshots | 05:38 |
| PingunZ | And how can I edit layers ? | 05:39 |
| troy_s | The font is bound to your local fonts | 05:39 |
| PingunZ | In inkscape I was just able to click and resize things. | 05:39 |
| troy_s | So to start, | 05:39 |
| troy_s | you will need to install the ubuntu title font from the repositories. | 05:39 |
| troy_s | to access the layers | 05:40 |
| troy_s | open up the layers dialog | 05:40 |
| troy_s | you can lock and unlock the layers so some of them are probably set to not be selectable | 05:40 |
| PingunZ | ah ok :) | 05:40 |
| troy_s | also note that some of the layers are complicated versions grouped | 05:40 |
| troy_s | so you may need to ungroup etc... | 05:40 |
| troy_s | both palettes are going to change to rgb when i get a second to convert them... the cmyk's are quite a way off for display purposes. | 05:41 |
| PingunZ | Ok :) | 05:42 |
| PingunZ | I'll have to get the ubuntu-title font | 05:43 |
| PingunZ | Do you know its package name ? | 05:43 |
| troy_s | yes... hold on. | 05:44 |
| troy_s | you know about apt-cache search functionality? | 05:44 |
| troy_s | ttf-ubuntu-title | 05:44 |
| troy_s | sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title | 05:45 |
| troy_s | apt-cache search ubuntu title | 05:45 |
| troy_s | would give you the package in a beat | 05:45 |
| PingunZ | Sorry :) I forget that function sometimes -_- | 05:46 |
| troy_s | Tis' ok. | 05:46 |
| troy_s | It is a pretty impressive program to consider that it hasn't even hit .1 yet. | 05:46 |
| troy_s | Rather 1.0 | 05:46 |
| troy_s | And it has more than enough functionality to make it an amazingly powerful tool. | 05:47 |
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| PingunZ | hmm it crashed :p | 05:54 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I suggest you send me the .png's once finished ( including icons ). And then I'll try to make a GDM of it. Ok ? | 05:56 |
| troy_s | Weird... | 05:57 |
| troy_s | Did you download the recommended version? | 05:57 |
| troy_s | Because the development version is rather unstable. | 05:57 |
| troy_s | And PingunZ -- you can use the export feature to export the layers into PNGs or whatever you like. | 06:02 |
| troy_s | Third tab on the export page. | 06:02 |
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| PingunZ | troy_s: the program crashes when I try to export ;) | 06:33 |
| troy_s | Yes, export is the most heavily developed | 06:34 |
| troy_s | There is a simple trick though | 06:34 |
| troy_s | Choose your export to png | 06:34 |
| troy_s | then make sure that you _wait_ until it has finished rendering | 06:34 |
| troy_s | Click preview and _wait_ | 06:34 |
| troy_s | then export | 06:34 |
| troy_s | it works fine if you wait on the rendering to finish. | 06:34 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: are you on edgy too ? | 06:41 |
| troy_s | No... I need stability. | 06:41 |
| troy_s | So I work in Dapper | 06:41 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I'll try again :) | 06:43 |
| PingunZ | but I'm pretty sure its going to crash again. :) | 06:44 |
| PingunZ | It worked :) | 06:46 |
| PingunZ | I have extracted the background.png | 06:47 |
| PingunZ | now the logo, then the browser | 06:47 |
| PingunZ | and then I can start ' coding ' :) | 06:47 |
| troy_s | Nice. | 06:48 |
| troy_s | I have been using a skeleton if you want it... | 06:48 |
| PingunZ | skeleton ? | 06:49 |
| PingunZ | ( I'm very new to this so please don't blame me for my stupid questions :) ) | 06:49 |
| troy_s | Just a basic xml layout, but I am sure you will do fine... | 06:54 |
| PingunZ | Ok, browser and logo are exported. | 06:54 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I'm thinking of writing one from scratch :) | 06:55 |
| troy_s | Wow... that would be quite good. | 06:55 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: maybe I'll base it on the Relaxing of gnome-look | 06:55 |
| troy_s | I encourage you to do what you like... I only based the central looking GDM on some suggestions... Haven't quite decided on the final design really. | 06:56 |
| PingunZ | Is it legal to modify a current one that is GPL ? | 06:56 |
| troy_s | You might want to read the GPL :) | 06:57 |
| troy_s | It is quite an important document. | 06:57 |
| PingunZ | Well, I'll make a current one based on the Relaxing theme. Once the theme gets more comments/modifications I'll write one from scratch :) | 06:57 |
| PingunZ | What exatcly is a GPL ? | 06:57 |
| troy_s | www.fsf.org | 06:57 |
| troy_s | It is an acronym that stands for the "Gnu Public License Agreement" | 06:58 |
| troy_s | It is very important, so I encourage you to read it. It involves critical freedoms and rights that many of us take for granted in a 'democratic' society. | 06:58 |
| PingunZ | Is it a long text ? And is every GPL license the same ? | 07:00 |
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| troy_s | The current version is in the 2 class... Version 3 is being drafted and is subject to a lot of debate discussion. | 07:04 |
| troy_s | You should have little problem understanding it. | 07:04 |
| troy_s | If you want to understand more about the importance of free software -- I encourage you to read http://www.gnupress.org/book13.html | 07:05 |
| troy_s | You can download and share it legally, and buy it if you like to support the FSF. | 07:06 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: I'm not going to read the text now, I'll do it later. Once I have the time :) | 07:10 |
| PingunZ | And courage :) | 07:10 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: Am I allowed to edit the ' browser ' in your GDM ? and slightly edit the background ? | 07:11 |
| troy_s | Of course | 07:12 |
| troy_s | Do whatever you like. | 07:12 |
| PingunZ | I'll make a few mockups and show them to you :) | 07:14 |
| PingunZ | !ping msikma | 07:14 |
| PingunZ | I'll be idle for a while, I'm on my laptop. ( editing troy 's work ). | 07:25 |
| PingunZ | troy_s: can you mail me the logo and the browser ( with transparant background ). I didn't export them right.. | 07:43 |
| PingunZ | I'll be out for dinner meanwhile. | 07:43 |
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| PingunZ | !ping troy_s again ( read what I said above ) | 08:20 |
| troy_s | Hello? | 08:20 |
| troy_s | Just about finished up on the first pass of the gdm | 08:20 |
| troy_s | Busy here with a little girl :) | 08:20 |
| PingunZ | oh :) | 08:20 |
| PingunZ | Well mail it to me when you're done :) | 08:21 |
| troy_s | If you want transparency | 08:22 |
| troy_s | you must export the image as a true colour with alpha channel | 08:22 |
| PingunZ | oh | 08:22 |
| troy_s | and all of your layers in question must NOT be under the 'background' heading | 08:22 |
| troy_s | that will probably solve your problem. | 08:22 |
| PingunZ | troy, I made a really nice picture with my camer. If you want it, you can use it for a wallpaper/some other art. | 08:28 |
| PingunZ | http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5880/deskyfo5.png | 08:29 |
| PingunZ | I have the pic in 10 MP so the size isnt a problem :) | 08:29 |
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| PingunZ_ | !ping troy_s | 10:16 |
| troy_s | go pingunz | 10:16 |
| troy_s | just heading out the door. | 10:16 |
| PingunZ_ | I made the mockup | 10:17 |
| PingunZ_ | I'm uploading it | 10:17 |
| PingunZ_ | http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7705/backgroundcopyjw4.png | 10:18 |
| troy_s | you have a screener of it? | 10:18 |
| troy_s | did you get a working xml base yet? | 10:18 |
| PingunZ_ | No | 10:18 |
| PingunZ_ | I first need to know how the GDM should look like | 10:18 |
| PingunZ_ | Then I start. | 10:18 |
| PingunZ_ | You like my screenie ? | 10:19 |
| troy_s | Well it's yours so make it how you want to make it. | 10:20 |
| troy_s | I suggest following Franks guidelines if you want someone to consider it. | 10:20 |
| PingunZ_ | troy_s: It's just a modified version of yours.. | 10:20 |
| troy_s | I am about to upload the generated buttons etc. | 10:21 |
| troy_s | Finished up the darker palette version. | 10:21 |
| PingunZ_ | ok | 10:21 |
| PingunZ_ | hey, I'm going to turn of my laptop, brb | 10:22 |
| PingunZ | tadam :) | 10:22 |
| troy_s | There... uploaded the newer summary and the updated gdm. | 10:23 |
| troy_s | xarball. | 10:23 |
| troy_s | off for a business meeting | 10:24 |
| troy_s | back later. | 10:24 |
| troy_s | msikma -- any luck with the metacity palette? | 10:25 |
| troy_s | slash tweaks etc. | 10:25 |
| msikma | Hi troy_s. I'm busy with something right now, but I've done some work earlier. I still want to work on it more. | 10:25 |
| troy_s | Awsome | 10:28 |
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| troy_s | Great to hear. | 10:28 |
| troy_s | Email me when you have some screenshots or something, I would love to see them. | 10:28 |
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| PingunZ | ping msikma | 11:40 |
| msikma | Hi PingunZ. | 11:41 |
| PingunZ | msikma: you sent me the GTK-theme mockups yesterday. I'm afraid I lost them. | 11:42 |
| msikma | http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/michielgtk14.png | 11:43 |
| PingunZ | ok :) | 11:43 |
| PingunZ | I'll work on it tomorrow | 11:44 |
| msikma | troy_s: I'm sorry I couldn't show you anything today. I'm leaving right now. I got called to do some work and got kind of sidetracked with other stuff from there, so I haven't done much so far. But I'll show you tomorrow. | 11:52 |
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| msikma | Bye | 11:53 |
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