=== PingunZ [n=kristof@150.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@150.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:41] hello pingunz. [02:41] how are you doing? [02:42] fine :) [02:42] you ? [02:49] Good thanks. [02:49] Frank says you have been quite busy. [02:49] With what ? [02:49] Ubuntu Art involvement. [02:50] And more specific ? [02:50] No, he wasn't. [02:50] Cause I wasn't that busy IMO. [02:56] troy_s: I saw your new GDM / splash mockups. They look nice ( a bit too dark IMO), I'd like to make them once they revised a little :) [02:56] I like the general idea of a face-browser. [02:56] the dark is actually the default dapper wallpaper [02:57] yes, but by default a face browser has been declined. [02:57] Why is that ? [02:57] i will be uploading the 2ndary palette shortly [02:57] once i get it into gpl format [02:57] because of security reasons [02:57] it is better for workstations to be configured for use with non face browsing. [02:58] troy_s: A face browser still requires a password .. [02:58] so it is safe [02:58] IMO :) [02:58] not exactly [02:58] knowing what to logon as eliminates exactly 50% of the security effort. [02:58] and you can't rely on users passwords to be secure [02:59] which is why there has been plenty of discussion regarding that. [02:59] Hmm [02:59] I understand :) [02:59] indeed. [02:59] face browsers are to be optional [02:59] but again, that takes more xml work etc. [02:59] and i simply don' thave the time to accomodate anything except the default install look/feel [02:59] yes, but it looks very nice [03:00] true, but i don't have the time to create two. [03:00] hehe :) [03:00] i just updated the source files there [03:00] I'll try to create one, I have some spare time [03:00] at the troy_s page below the primary [03:00] and a little GDM-experience [03:00] they are quite easy, but my time is very limited. [03:02] troy_s: once the buttons are finished I would like to make that GDM. [03:02] If that is ok to you ? [03:02] completely fine, in fact [03:02] i encourage you to take the work and build on it [03:02] it is what we are seeking to develop in the art community currenlty [03:02] I warn you, I'm un-experienced :) [03:03] blah [03:03] no harm in trying! [03:03] we have been trying _Very_ hard to build a collaborative structure [03:03] file formats and such get in the way, but I think we are making headway [03:03] send me your work via email, i would love to see it [03:03] and provide a face browser as an alternative [03:03] yes, but you still have a big way to go [03:03] just give me your work with the temp buttons in or whatever [03:04] actually the gdm is quite easy to finish button wise [03:04] the collaboration factor will take more cycles to develop [03:04] and for people to understand [03:04] which is why it is important that if you can, try contributing. [03:04] base your work on the AiC's guidance [03:04] AiC ? [03:04] and simply derive what you can at your given pace /leve [03:04] level [03:04] artist in chief [03:04] frank scheop [03:05] I know him ;) [03:05] Indeed. [03:05] He has done _amazing_ structural work this term. [03:05] I hope he will be back for a 2nd. [03:05] I havent seen him in a while .. [03:05] he is _very_ busy right now [03:05] deadlines are approaching fast [03:06] so we really need a full body of work in. [03:06] quickly. [03:06] i will try to get another palette out [03:06] and that might be the extent of my effort for this weekend. [03:06] the lighter palette is [03:06] similar to some of the things that were gathered on the summary page [03:07] The lighter palette is for the gdm, .. ? [03:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006 [03:07] for all of them [03:07] wall_02_troy [03:07] is close to it. [03:07] same design [03:07] but different palette [03:07] anyways, good luck [03:07] i look forward to anything you can manage [03:08] thanks pingunz. [03:08] Well I'll need xara for that [03:08] but my apt-get is broken atm :p === PingunZ is on edgy [03:08] Eek. [03:08] You on a 32 bit system? [03:08] if so, you don't need apt [03:09] just go to www.xaraextreme.org [03:09] download the tarball [03:09] and run the binary [03:09] should work out of box [03:09] ok :) [03:09] it is a very powerful program [03:09] i love it... and svg support is coming into the stream during this development cycle. === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [+o troy_s] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:troy_s] : Welcome! Current main page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/ -=-=- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork -=-=- IRC logs @ http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs -=-=- Current tasks for Edgy at http://www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [-o troy_s] by troy_s [03:16] ls === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:27] Greetings Madpilot [03:27] hi troy_s [03:28] How have things been with you? [03:28] busy as heck [03:28] Understatement of the year award. [03:29] ;) [03:29] heh. Some nice Edgy art coming in - wish I had time to do more than lurk on the artwork IRC channel ;) [03:30] hey mad [03:30] i just wanted to say [03:30] your cthulubuntu was awsome! [03:30] i loved it. [03:30] made me laugh my ass off. [03:30] it was sooooo coincidental because i was considering doing a halloween / april 1 set [03:30] with that sort of approach [03:31] Madpilot: do you think you could post your cthulubuntu lsplash to the artwork wiki? [03:31] I really thought it was hilarious. [03:31] I could. Maybe I'll turn it into a proper theme set one of these days ;) [03:31] Green ooze, tentacles & eyeballs [03:32] or something along those lines. === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas_Zzz is now known as klepas === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-000-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-000-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Must] === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54956103.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-022-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === alex_joni [n=juve@193.226.12.138] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:52] hello, I want to build a custom artwork package for dapper. is there any stuff to start from ? [03:00] can I simply make a deb that replaces the standard png's? (I am thinking about desktop background, splash screen etc.) [03:31] take the ubuntu-artwork package and modify the pngs in it [03:31] or for kubuntu, take the kubuntu-default-settings package and do the same [03:31] note that some of the pics are not in either of those packages though, so to do it 100% there is more work to it [03:36] kwwii: thanks, however I am only trying to change the default background. Can I make a simple deb (I know how), and alter /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml ? [03:38] kwwii: the only thing I'm concearned is: does that file get restored when I remove my package? [03:46] alex_joni: not sure...I would guess that it will leave the changes from your package or create some kind of error [03:49] to be honest, I know very little about packaging for gnome === PingunZ [n=kristof@150.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:53] looks like I have to exchange my powerbook battery :-( === kwwii reboot to find out === PingunZ [n=kristof@150.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:03] ping troy_s [04:05] brb ( trying to make a skydome image ) [04:20] cool, I made a skydome :) === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:51] Go PingunZ [04:51] msikma you in? [04:53] troy_s: I have problem with XaraXL, I'll install it in dapper tomorrow. [04:53] Or this evening [04:56] what is the problem you are having? [04:56] pingunz [04:57] well, I have it installed but I get an error when I open it [04:57] what is the error? [04:58] All you should need to do is download the file, extract it using tar / archiver [04:58] Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 50 : incomplete entry ignored. [04:58] I have it installed with apt-get [04:58] Ok so let's try stepping you through it. [04:58] Try downloading .7 [04:58] from xaraextreme.org === alex_joni [n=juve@193.226.12.138] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["later] [04:59] http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download/ [04:59] Tell me when you have done this [05:01] ok troy_s, brb [05:03] the steps are on that page... you should be ok [05:03] just extract it and try running the binary in the xaralx/bin directory [05:25] k I'm back, I'll try to install it that way [05:25] I had serious troubles with edgy yesterday [05:26] troy_s: What exactly is so good about XaraXL ? [05:27] You would need to try it. [05:27] Inkscape is a wonderful program [05:27] Ok :) [05:27] But Xara already has feathering and blurs [05:27] etc. [05:27] It is also a darn fast rendering engine [05:27] I haven't found the time to get used to inkscape yet. [05:27] Inkscape's performance is a bit laggy when you get into slightly complicated images. [05:28] hmm, how can I install .package files ? [05:33] cool, that's a nice install way :) === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:34] ok, I have xara now, troy_s [05:34] Did you unzip it? [05:34] Even better, you get every version as it pumps out [05:34] Because it is developing _deadly_ fast. [05:34] SVG is right around the corner. [05:34] Nice :) [05:35] It really is an impressive program. [05:35] Having used Illustrator and such, it has many legs up -- like the realtime grading etc. [05:36] Watch their videos [05:36] It looks a lot like inkscape [05:36] Sort of... [05:36] Inkscape has some great features. [05:36] And I do like it a lot. [05:36] http://www.xaraxtreme.org/about/movies.html [05:37] There are a few aboslute beginner guides there [05:37] To get your started [05:37] Check the file sizes on complicated drawings and you will see another pretty remarkable side of vector illustration [05:38] The gdm doesnt seem to have such a nice font as on the screenshots [05:39] And how can I edit layers ? [05:39] The font is bound to your local fonts [05:39] In inkscape I was just able to click and resize things. [05:39] So to start, [05:39] you will need to install the ubuntu title font from the repositories. [05:40] to access the layers [05:40] open up the layers dialog [05:40] you can lock and unlock the layers so some of them are probably set to not be selectable [05:40] ah ok :) [05:40] also note that some of the layers are complicated versions grouped [05:40] so you may need to ungroup etc... [05:41] both palettes are going to change to rgb when i get a second to convert them... the cmyk's are quite a way off for display purposes. [05:42] Ok :) [05:43] I'll have to get the ubuntu-title font [05:43] Do you know its package name ? [05:44] yes... hold on. [05:44] you know about apt-cache search functionality? [05:44] ttf-ubuntu-title [05:45] sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title [05:45] apt-cache search ubuntu title [05:45] would give you the package in a beat [05:46] Sorry :) I forget that function sometimes -_- [05:46] Tis' ok. [05:46] It is a pretty impressive program to consider that it hasn't even hit .1 yet. [05:46] Rather 1.0 [05:47] And it has more than enough functionality to make it an amazingly powerful tool. === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:54] hmm it crashed :p [05:56] troy_s: I suggest you send me the .png's once finished ( including icons ). And then I'll try to make a GDM of it. Ok ? [05:57] Weird... [05:57] Did you download the recommended version? [05:57] Because the development version is rather unstable. [06:02] And PingunZ -- you can use the export feature to export the layers into PNGs or whatever you like. [06:02] Third tab on the export page. === klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz [06:33] troy_s: the program crashes when I try to export ;) [06:34] Yes, export is the most heavily developed [06:34] There is a simple trick though [06:34] Choose your export to png [06:34] then make sure that you _wait_ until it has finished rendering [06:34] Click preview and _wait_ [06:34] then export [06:34] it works fine if you wait on the rendering to finish. [06:41] troy_s: are you on edgy too ? [06:41] No... I need stability. [06:41] So I work in Dapper [06:43] troy_s: I'll try again :) [06:44] but I'm pretty sure its going to crash again. :) [06:46] It worked :) [06:47] I have extracted the background.png [06:47] now the logo, then the browser [06:47] and then I can start ' coding ' :) [06:48] Nice. [06:48] I have been using a skeleton if you want it... [06:49] skeleton ? [06:49] ( I'm very new to this so please don't blame me for my stupid questions :) ) [06:54] Just a basic xml layout, but I am sure you will do fine... [06:54] Ok, browser and logo are exported. [06:55] troy_s: I'm thinking of writing one from scratch :) [06:55] Wow... that would be quite good. [06:55] troy_s: maybe I'll base it on the Relaxing of gnome-look [06:56] I encourage you to do what you like... I only based the central looking GDM on some suggestions... Haven't quite decided on the final design really. [06:56] Is it legal to modify a current one that is GPL ? [06:57] You might want to read the GPL :) [06:57] It is quite an important document. [06:57] Well, I'll make a current one based on the Relaxing theme. Once the theme gets more comments/modifications I'll write one from scratch :) [06:57] What exatcly is a GPL ? [06:57] www.fsf.org [06:58] It is an acronym that stands for the "Gnu Public License Agreement" [06:58] It is very important, so I encourage you to read it. It involves critical freedoms and rights that many of us take for granted in a 'democratic' society. [07:00] Is it a long text ? And is every GPL license the same ? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:04] The current version is in the 2 class... Version 3 is being drafted and is subject to a lot of debate discussion. [07:04] You should have little problem understanding it. [07:05] If you want to understand more about the importance of free software -- I encourage you to read http://www.gnupress.org/book13.html [07:06] You can download and share it legally, and buy it if you like to support the FSF. [07:10] troy_s: I'm not going to read the text now, I'll do it later. Once I have the time :) [07:10] And courage :) [07:11] troy_s: Am I allowed to edit the ' browser ' in your GDM ? and slightly edit the background ? [07:12] Of course [07:12] Do whatever you like. [07:14] I'll make a few mockups and show them to you :) [07:14] !ping msikma [07:25] I'll be idle for a while, I'm on my laptop. ( editing troy 's work ). [07:43] troy_s: can you mail me the logo and the browser ( with transparant background ). I didn't export them right.. [07:43] I'll be out for dinner meanwhile. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === FiTo [n=dontWrit@201.114.92.164] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:20] !ping troy_s again ( read what I said above ) [08:20] Hello? [08:20] Just about finished up on the first pass of the gdm [08:20] Busy here with a little girl :) [08:20] oh :) [08:21] Well mail it to me when you're done :) [08:22] If you want transparency [08:22] you must export the image as a true colour with alpha channel [08:22] oh [08:22] and all of your layers in question must NOT be under the 'background' heading [08:22] that will probably solve your problem. [08:28] troy, I made a really nice picture with my camer. If you want it, you can use it for a wallpaper/some other art. [08:29] http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5880/deskyfo5.png [08:29] I have the pic in 10 MP so the size isnt a problem :) === PingunZ_ [n=chatzill@150.173-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:16] !ping troy_s [10:16] go pingunz [10:16] just heading out the door. [10:17] I made the mockup [10:17] I'm uploading it [10:18] http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7705/backgroundcopyjw4.png [10:18] you have a screener of it? [10:18] did you get a working xml base yet? [10:18] No [10:18] I first need to know how the GDM should look like [10:18] Then I start. [10:19] You like my screenie ? [10:20] Well it's yours so make it how you want to make it. [10:20] I suggest following Franks guidelines if you want someone to consider it. [10:20] troy_s: It's just a modified version of yours.. [10:21] I am about to upload the generated buttons etc. [10:21] Finished up the darker palette version. [10:21] ok [10:22] hey, I'm going to turn of my laptop, brb [10:22] tadam :) [10:23] There... uploaded the newer summary and the updated gdm. [10:23] xarball. [10:24] off for a business meeting [10:24] back later. [10:25] msikma -- any luck with the metacity palette? [10:25] slash tweaks etc. [10:25] Hi troy_s. I'm busy with something right now, but I've done some work earlier. I still want to work on it more. [10:28] Awsome === killkoy [n=matthew@host86-137-217-239.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:28] Great to hear. [10:28] Email me when you have some screenshots or something, I would love to see them. === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Quitte"] [11:40] ping msikma [11:41] Hi PingunZ. [11:42] msikma: you sent me the GTK-theme mockups yesterday. I'm afraid I lost them. [11:43] http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/michielgtk14.png [11:43] ok :) [11:44] I'll work on it tomorrow [11:52] troy_s: I'm sorry I couldn't show you anything today. I'm leaving right now. I got called to do some work and got kind of sidetracked with other stuff from there, so I haven't done much so far. But I'll show you tomorrow. === PingunZ is now known as AngelOfDeath [11:53] Bye === AngelOfDeath is now known as PingunZ === theCore [n=alex@modemcable069.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork