[02:41] <troy_s> hello pingunz.
[02:41] <troy_s> how are you doing?
[02:42] <PingunZ> fine :)
[02:42] <PingunZ> you ?
[02:49] <troy_s> Good thanks.
[02:49] <troy_s> Frank says you have been quite busy.
[02:49] <PingunZ> With what ?
[02:49] <troy_s> Ubuntu Art involvement.
[02:50] <PingunZ> And more specific ?
[02:50] <troy_s> No, he wasn't.
[02:50] <PingunZ> Cause I wasn't that busy IMO.
[02:56] <PingunZ> troy_s: I saw your new GDM / splash mockups. They look nice ( a bit too dark IMO), I'd like to make them once they revised a little :)
[02:56] <PingunZ> I like the general idea of a face-browser.
[02:56] <troy_s> the dark is actually the default dapper wallpaper
[02:57] <troy_s> yes, but by default a face browser has been declined.
[02:57] <PingunZ> Why is that ?
[02:57] <troy_s> i will be uploading the 2ndary palette shortly
[02:57] <troy_s> once i get it into gpl format
[02:57] <troy_s> because of security reasons
[02:57] <troy_s> it is better for workstations to be configured for use with non face browsing.
[02:58] <PingunZ> troy_s: A face browser still requires a password ..
[02:58] <PingunZ> so it is safe
[02:58] <PingunZ> IMO :)
[02:58] <troy_s> not exactly
[02:58] <troy_s> knowing what to logon as eliminates exactly 50% of the security effort.
[02:58] <troy_s> and you can't rely on users passwords to be secure
[02:59] <troy_s> which is why there has been plenty of discussion regarding that.
[02:59] <PingunZ> Hmm
[02:59] <PingunZ> I understand :)
[02:59] <troy_s> indeed.
[02:59] <troy_s> face browsers are to be optional
[02:59] <troy_s> but again, that takes more xml work etc.
[02:59] <troy_s> and i simply don' thave the time to accomodate anything except the default install look/feel
[02:59] <PingunZ> yes, but it looks very nice
[03:00] <troy_s> true, but i don't have the time to create two.
[03:00] <PingunZ> hehe :)
[03:00] <troy_s> i just updated the source files there
[03:00] <PingunZ> I'll try to create one, I have some spare time
[03:00] <troy_s> at the troy_s page below the primary
[03:00] <PingunZ> and a little GDM-experience
[03:00] <troy_s> they are quite easy, but my time is very limited.
[03:02] <PingunZ> troy_s: once the buttons are finished I would like to make that GDM.
[03:02] <PingunZ> If that is ok to you ?
[03:02] <troy_s> completely fine, in fact
[03:02] <troy_s> i encourage you to take the work and build on it
[03:02] <troy_s> it is what we are seeking to develop in the art community currenlty
[03:02] <PingunZ> I warn you, I'm un-experienced :)
[03:03] <troy_s> blah
[03:03] <troy_s> no harm in trying!
[03:03] <troy_s> we have been trying _Very_ hard to build a collaborative structure
[03:03] <troy_s> file formats and such get in the way, but I think we are making headway
[03:03] <troy_s> send me your work via email, i would love to see it
[03:03] <troy_s> and provide a face browser as an alternative
[03:03] <PingunZ> yes, but you still have a big way to go
[03:03] <troy_s> just give me your work with the temp buttons in or whatever
[03:04] <troy_s> actually the gdm is quite easy to finish button wise
[03:04] <troy_s> the collaboration factor will take more cycles to develop
[03:04] <troy_s> and for people to understand
[03:04] <troy_s> which is why it is important that if you can, try contributing.
[03:04] <troy_s> base your work on the AiC's guidance
[03:04] <PingunZ> AiC ?
[03:04] <troy_s> and simply derive what you can at your given pace /leve
[03:04] <troy_s> level
[03:04] <troy_s> artist in chief
[03:04] <troy_s> frank scheop
[03:05] <PingunZ> I know him ;)
[03:05] <troy_s> Indeed.
[03:05] <troy_s> He has done _amazing_ structural work this term.
[03:05] <troy_s> I hope he will be back for a 2nd.
[03:05] <PingunZ> I havent seen him in a while ..
[03:05] <troy_s> he is _very_ busy right now
[03:05] <troy_s> deadlines are approaching fast
[03:06] <troy_s> so we really need a full body of work in.
[03:06] <troy_s> quickly.
[03:06] <troy_s> i will try to get another palette out
[03:06] <troy_s> and that might be the extent of my effort for this weekend.
[03:06] <troy_s> the lighter palette is
[03:06] <troy_s> similar to some of the things that were gathered on the summary page
[03:07] <PingunZ> The lighter palette is for the gdm, .. ?
[03:07] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006
[03:07] <troy_s> for all of them
[03:07] <troy_s> wall_02_troy
[03:07] <troy_s> is close to it.
[03:07] <troy_s> same design
[03:07] <troy_s> but different palette
[03:07] <troy_s> anyways, good luck
[03:07] <troy_s> i look forward to anything you can manage
[03:08] <troy_s> thanks pingunz.
[03:08] <PingunZ> Well I'll need xara for that
[03:08] <PingunZ> but my apt-get is broken atm :p
[03:08] <troy_s> Eek.
[03:08] <troy_s> You on a 32 bit system?
[03:08] <troy_s> if so, you don't need apt
[03:09] <troy_s> just go to www.xaraextreme.org
[03:09] <troy_s> download the tarball
[03:09] <troy_s> and run the binary
[03:09] <troy_s> should work out of box
[03:09] <PingunZ> ok :)
[03:09] <troy_s> it is a very powerful program
[03:09] <troy_s> i love it... and svg support is coming into the stream during this development cycle.
[03:16] <troy_s> ls
[03:27] <troy_s> Greetings Madpilot
[03:27] <Madpilot> hi troy_s
[03:28] <troy_s> How have things been with you?
[03:28] <Madpilot> busy as heck
[03:28] <troy_s> Understatement of the year award.
[03:29] <troy_s> ;)
[03:29] <Madpilot> heh. Some nice Edgy art coming in - wish I had time to do more than lurk on the artwork IRC channel ;)
[03:30] <troy_s> hey mad
[03:30] <troy_s> i just wanted to say
[03:30] <troy_s> your cthulubuntu was awsome!
[03:30] <troy_s> i loved it.
[03:30] <troy_s> made me laugh my ass off.
[03:30] <troy_s> it was sooooo coincidental because i was considering doing a halloween / april 1 set
[03:30] <troy_s> with that sort of approach
[03:31] <troy_s> Madpilot: do you think you could post your cthulubuntu lsplash to the artwork wiki?
[03:31] <troy_s> I really thought it was hilarious.
[03:31] <Madpilot> I could. Maybe I'll turn it into a proper theme set one of these days ;)
[03:31] <Madpilot> Green ooze, tentacles & eyeballs
[03:32] <troy_s> or something along those lines.
[02:52] <alex_joni> hello, I want to build a custom artwork package for dapper. is there any stuff to start from ?
[03:00] <alex_joni> can I simply make a deb that replaces the standard png's? (I am thinking about desktop background, splash screen etc.)
[03:31] <kwwii> take the ubuntu-artwork package and modify the pngs in it
[03:31] <kwwii> or for kubuntu, take the kubuntu-default-settings package and do the same
[03:31] <kwwii> note that some of the pics are not in either of those packages though, so to do it 100% there is more work to it
[03:36] <alex_joni> kwwii: thanks, however I am only trying to change the default background. Can I make a simple deb (I know how), and alter /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml ?
[03:38] <alex_joni> kwwii: the only thing I'm concearned is: does that file get restored when I remove my package?
[03:46] <kwwii> alex_joni: not sure...I would guess that it will leave the changes from your package or create some kind of error
[03:49] <kwwii> to be honest, I know very little about packaging for gnome
[03:53] <kwwii> looks like I have to exchange my powerbook battery :-(
[04:03] <PingunZ> ping troy_s
[04:05] <PingunZ> brb ( trying to make a skydome image )
[04:20] <PingunZ> cool, I made a skydome :)
[04:51] <troy_s> Go PingunZ
[04:51] <troy_s> msikma you in?
[04:53] <PingunZ> troy_s: I have problem with XaraXL, I'll install it in dapper tomorrow.
[04:53] <PingunZ> Or this evening
[04:56] <troy_s> what is the problem you are having?
[04:56] <troy_s> pingunz
[04:57] <PingunZ> well, I have it installed but I get an error when I open it
[04:57] <troy_s> what is the error?
[04:58] <troy_s> All you should need to do is download the file, extract it using tar / archiver
[04:58] <PingunZ> Mailcap file /etc/mailcap, line 50 : incomplete entry ignored.
[04:58] <PingunZ> I have it installed with apt-get
[04:58] <troy_s> Ok so let's try stepping you through it.
[04:58] <troy_s> Try downloading .7
[04:58] <troy_s> from xaraextreme.org
[04:59] <troy_s> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download/
[04:59] <troy_s> Tell me when you have done this
[05:01] <PingunZ> ok troy_s, brb
[05:03] <troy_s> the steps are on that page... you should be ok
[05:03] <troy_s> just extract it and try running the binary in the xaralx/bin directory
[05:25] <PingunZ> k I'm back, I'll try to install it that way
[05:25] <PingunZ> I had serious troubles with edgy yesterday
[05:26] <PingunZ> troy_s: What exactly is so good about XaraXL ?
[05:27] <troy_s> You would need to try it.
[05:27] <troy_s> Inkscape is a wonderful program
[05:27] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[05:27] <troy_s> But Xara already has feathering and blurs
[05:27] <troy_s> etc.
[05:27] <troy_s> It is also a darn fast rendering engine
[05:27] <PingunZ> I haven't found the time to get used to inkscape yet.
[05:27] <troy_s> Inkscape's performance is a bit laggy when you get into slightly complicated images.
[05:28] <PingunZ> hmm, how can I install .package files ?
[05:33] <PingunZ> cool, that's a nice install way :)
[05:34] <PingunZ> ok, I have xara now, troy_s
[05:34] <troy_s> Did you unzip it?
[05:34] <troy_s> Even better, you get every version as it pumps out
[05:34] <troy_s> Because it is developing _deadly_ fast.
[05:34] <troy_s> SVG is right around the corner.
[05:34] <PingunZ> Nice :)
[05:35] <troy_s> It really is an impressive program.
[05:35] <troy_s> Having used Illustrator and such, it has many legs up -- like the realtime grading etc.
[05:36] <troy_s> Watch their videos
[05:36] <PingunZ> It looks a lot like inkscape
[05:36] <troy_s> Sort of...
[05:36] <troy_s> Inkscape has some great features.
[05:36] <troy_s> And I do like it a lot.
[05:36] <troy_s> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/about/movies.html
[05:37] <troy_s> There are a few aboslute beginner guides there
[05:37] <troy_s> To get your started
[05:37] <troy_s> Check the file sizes on complicated drawings and you will see another pretty remarkable side of vector illustration
[05:38] <PingunZ> The gdm doesnt seem to have such a nice font as on the screenshots
[05:39] <PingunZ> And how can I edit layers ?
[05:39] <troy_s> The font is bound to your local fonts
[05:39] <PingunZ> In inkscape I was just able to click and resize things.
[05:39] <troy_s> So to start,
[05:39] <troy_s> you will need to install the ubuntu title font from the repositories.
[05:40] <troy_s> to access the layers
[05:40] <troy_s> open up the layers dialog
[05:40] <troy_s> you can lock and unlock the layers so some of them are probably set to not be selectable
[05:40] <PingunZ> ah ok :)
[05:40] <troy_s> also note that some of the layers are complicated versions grouped
[05:40] <troy_s> so you may need to ungroup etc...
[05:41] <troy_s> both palettes are going to change to rgb when i get a second to convert them... the cmyk's are quite a way off for display purposes.
[05:42] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[05:43] <PingunZ> I'll have to get the ubuntu-title font
[05:43] <PingunZ> Do you know its package name ?
[05:44] <troy_s> yes... hold on.
[05:44] <troy_s> you know about apt-cache search functionality?
[05:44] <troy_s> ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:45] <troy_s> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:45] <troy_s> apt-cache search ubuntu title
[05:45] <troy_s> would give you the package in a beat
[05:46] <PingunZ> Sorry :) I forget that function sometimes -_-
[05:46] <troy_s> Tis' ok.
[05:46] <troy_s> It is a pretty impressive program to consider that it hasn't even hit .1 yet.
[05:46] <troy_s> Rather 1.0
[05:47] <troy_s> And it has more than enough functionality to make it an amazingly powerful tool.
[05:54] <PingunZ> hmm it crashed :p
[05:56] <PingunZ> troy_s: I suggest you send me the .png's once finished ( including icons ). And then I'll try to make a GDM of it. Ok ?
[05:57] <troy_s> Weird...
[05:57] <troy_s> Did you download the recommended version?
[05:57] <troy_s> Because the development version is rather unstable.
[06:02] <troy_s> And PingunZ -- you can use the export feature to export the layers into PNGs or whatever you like.
[06:02] <troy_s> Third tab on the export page.
[06:33] <PingunZ> troy_s: the program crashes when I try to export ;)
[06:34] <troy_s> Yes, export is the most heavily developed
[06:34] <troy_s> There is a simple trick though
[06:34] <troy_s> Choose your export to png
[06:34] <troy_s> then make sure that you _wait_ until it has finished rendering
[06:34] <troy_s> Click preview and _wait_
[06:34] <troy_s> then export
[06:34] <troy_s> it works fine if you wait on the rendering to finish.
[06:41] <PingunZ> troy_s: are you on edgy too ?
[06:41] <troy_s> No... I need stability.
[06:41] <troy_s> So I work in Dapper
[06:43] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'll try again :)
[06:44] <PingunZ> but I'm pretty sure its going to crash again. :)
[06:46] <PingunZ> It worked :)
[06:47] <PingunZ> I have extracted the background.png
[06:47] <PingunZ> now the logo, then the browser
[06:47] <PingunZ> and then I can start ' coding ' :)
[06:48] <troy_s> Nice.
[06:48] <troy_s> I have been using a skeleton if you want it...
[06:49] <PingunZ> skeleton ?
[06:49] <PingunZ> ( I'm very new to this so please don't blame me for my stupid questions :) )
[06:54] <troy_s> Just a basic xml layout, but I am sure you will do fine...
[06:54] <PingunZ> Ok, browser and logo are exported.
[06:55] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'm thinking of writing one from scratch :)
[06:55] <troy_s> Wow... that would be quite good.
[06:55] <PingunZ> troy_s: maybe I'll base it on the Relaxing of gnome-look
[06:56] <troy_s> I encourage you to do what you like... I only based the central looking GDM on some suggestions...  Haven't quite decided on the final design really.
[06:56] <PingunZ> Is it legal to modify a current one that is GPL ?
[06:57] <troy_s> You might want to read the GPL :)
[06:57] <troy_s> It is quite an important document.
[06:57] <PingunZ> Well, I'll make a current one based on the Relaxing theme. Once the theme gets more comments/modifications I'll write one from scratch :)
[06:57] <PingunZ> What exatcly is a GPL ?
[06:57] <troy_s> www.fsf.org
[06:58] <troy_s> It is an acronym that stands for the "Gnu Public License Agreement"
[06:58] <troy_s> It is very important, so I encourage you to read it.  It involves critical freedoms and rights that many of us take for granted in a 'democratic' society.
[07:00] <PingunZ> Is it a long text ? And is every GPL license the same ?
[07:04] <troy_s> The current version is in the 2 class... Version 3 is being drafted and is subject to a lot of debate discussion.
[07:04] <troy_s> You should have little problem understanding it.
[07:05] <troy_s> If you want to understand more about the importance of free software -- I encourage you to read http://www.gnupress.org/book13.html
[07:06] <troy_s> You can download and share it legally, and buy it if you like to support the FSF.
[07:10] <PingunZ> troy_s: I'm not going to read the text now, I'll do it later. Once I have the time :)
[07:10] <PingunZ> And courage :)
[07:11] <PingunZ> troy_s: Am I allowed to edit the ' browser ' in your GDM ? and slightly edit the background ?
[07:12] <troy_s> Of course
[07:12] <troy_s> Do whatever you like.
[07:14] <PingunZ> I'll make a few mockups and show them to you :)
[07:14] <PingunZ> !ping msikma
[07:25] <PingunZ> I'll be idle for a while, I'm on my laptop. ( editing troy 's work ).
[07:43] <PingunZ> troy_s: can you mail me the logo and the browser ( with transparant background ). I didn't export them right..
[07:43] <PingunZ> I'll be out for dinner meanwhile.
[08:20] <PingunZ> !ping troy_s again ( read what I said above )
[08:20] <troy_s> Hello?
[08:20] <troy_s> Just about finished up on the first pass of the gdm
[08:20] <troy_s> Busy here with a little girl :)
[08:20] <PingunZ> oh :)
[08:21] <PingunZ> Well mail it to me when you're done :)
[08:22] <troy_s> If you want transparency
[08:22] <troy_s> you must export the image as a true colour with alpha channel
[08:22] <PingunZ> oh
[08:22] <troy_s> and all of your layers in question must NOT be under the 'background' heading
[08:22] <troy_s> that will probably solve your problem.
[08:28] <PingunZ> troy, I made a really nice picture with my camer. If you want it, you can use it for a wallpaper/some other art.
[08:29] <PingunZ> http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5880/deskyfo5.png
[08:29] <PingunZ> I have the pic in 10 MP so the size isnt a problem :)
[10:16] <PingunZ_> !ping troy_s
[10:16] <troy_s> go pingunz
[10:16] <troy_s> just heading out the door.
[10:17] <PingunZ_> I made the mockup
[10:17] <PingunZ_> I'm uploading it
[10:18] <PingunZ_> http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7705/backgroundcopyjw4.png
[10:18] <troy_s> you have a screener of it?
[10:18] <troy_s> did you get a working xml base yet?
[10:18] <PingunZ_> No
[10:18] <PingunZ_> I first need to know how the GDM should look like
[10:18] <PingunZ_> Then I start.
[10:19] <PingunZ_> You like my screenie ?
[10:20] <troy_s> Well it's yours so make it how you want to make it.
[10:20] <troy_s> I suggest following Franks guidelines if you want someone to consider it.
[10:20] <PingunZ_> troy_s: It's just a modified version of yours..
[10:21] <troy_s> I am about to upload the generated buttons etc.
[10:21] <troy_s> Finished up the darker palette version.
[10:21] <PingunZ_> ok
[10:22] <PingunZ_> hey, I'm going to turn of my laptop, brb
[10:22] <PingunZ> tadam :)
[10:23] <troy_s> There... uploaded the newer summary and the updated gdm.
[10:23] <troy_s> xarball.
[10:24] <troy_s> off for a business meeting
[10:24] <troy_s> back later.
[10:25] <troy_s> msikma -- any luck with the metacity palette?
[10:25] <troy_s> slash tweaks etc.
[10:25] <msikma> Hi troy_s. I'm busy with something right now, but I've done some work earlier. I still want to work on it more.
[10:28] <troy_s> Awsome
[10:28] <troy_s> Great to hear.
[10:28] <troy_s> Email me when you have some screenshots or something, I would love to see them.
[11:40] <PingunZ> ping msikma
[11:41] <msikma> Hi PingunZ.
[11:42] <PingunZ> msikma: you sent me the GTK-theme mockups yesterday. I'm afraid I lost them.
[11:43] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/michielgtk14.png
[11:43] <PingunZ> ok :)
[11:44] <PingunZ> I'll work on it tomorrow
[11:52] <msikma> troy_s: I'm sorry I couldn't show you anything today. I'm leaving right now. I got called to do some work and got kind of sidetracked with other stuff from there, so I haven't done much so far. But I'll show you tomorrow.
[11:53] <msikma> Bye