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| exobuzz | is the edgy kernel still accepting patches? I have a patch for a network card driver I would like to see in edgy. (It's a one line patch to add support for a PHY which the current driver doesnt recognise - and for phy's it doesnt know it puts them into what seems a rather silly mode causing packet loss) | 12:54 |
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| exobuzz | launchpad confuses me. i added a bug report and it told me | 01:00 |
| exobuzz | Thank you for your bug report. | 01:00 |
| exobuzz | The package linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not published in Ubuntu; the bug was targeted only to the distribution. | 01:00 |
| exobuzz | does that mean i fsked up ? | 01:01 |
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| LaserJock | not entirely | 01:01 |
| exobuzz | i wanted to add a bug to the linux kernel binary for edgy | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not a source package | 01:01 |
| exobuzz | oh | 01:01 |
| exobuzz | how can i fix this ? rediret the bug. or cant i ? | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | you can ask #ubuntu-bugs | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | but yeah | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | you can fix it | 01:02 |
| exobuzz | i think ive sorted it | 01:02 |
| exobuzz | can i change the importance. i didnt see a box to fill out for that | 01:03 |
| exobuzz | it says importance is "Untriaged" . | 01:04 |
| geser | importance can only be changed by a member of the ubuntu-qa team | 01:04 |
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| LaserJock | exobuzz: yeah, the ubuntu-qa team will triage it and change the importance | 01:06 |
| exobuzz | triage.. i need to look that word up :-) | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | exobuzz: well, make sure the bug has all the info it needs and is confirmed so it's ready for developers to work on | 01:07 |
| exobuzz | i want to get a patch into the edgy kernel. but the patch is quite new. its not even in 2.6.18 yet.. but its a simple patch that wont break anything.. | 01:07 |
| exobuzz | i might get lucky.. | 01:07 |
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| exobuzz | LaserJock: how do i make it confirmed? | 01:14 |
| exobuzz | oh sorry you mean they do that | 01:14 |
| exobuzz | my brain is off | 01:14 |
| exobuzz | ignore me :) | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | no problem | 01:15 |
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| gnomefreak | what happened to libgtk in edgy? | 01:30 |
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| trappist | Say there's a bug that's been confirmed and has a fixy patch attached to it, that's been languishing in that state for a long time. What's the appropriate way to get it a little attention? | 03:13 |
| StevenK | Bug people to fix it? | 03:13 |
| trappist | well it's been fixed in that there's a patch. How to know who to bug to apply the patch and upload | 03:14 |
| StevenK | Is it in universe or main? | 03:14 |
| trappist | the one I was just looking at is in main. pan. | 03:15 |
| trappist | in universe I assign it to motu-reviewers | 03:15 |
| sistpoty | trappist: you could try to assign it to ubuntu-main-sponsors | 03:17 |
| sistpoty | (or subscribe that team to the bug if it has a good assignee already) | 03:18 |
| trappist | it's not assigned, I'll do that | 03:18 |
| trappist | thanks | 03:18 |
| sistpoty | np | 03:18 |
| trappist | while I'm here - it seems the only thing I can't do to a bug is triage it - am I missing something, or do I need to be a member of some group to do that? | 03:19 |
| sistpoty | trappist: I don't think so | 03:20 |
| sistpoty | trappist: have you tried clicking on the package name (directly under affects)? | 03:21 |
| trappist | yeah, there's a plaintext (no href) "importance" | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: you have to be in the ubuntu-qa group to change that | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: it got abused too much | 03:23 |
| sistpoty | Hobbsee: ah thanks... didn't know that yet ;) | 03:23 |
| trappist | Hobbsee: that seems strange, if I can declare a bug fixed, reject it, subscribe people to it, etc., all ripe for abuse. but I can see how everybody would want to mark their own wishlist bugs 'critical' | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | sistpoty: you wouldnt - dev and core dev are automatically a part of -qa | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: true that. you cant stop everything. | 03:24 |
| trappist | Hobbsee: how does somebody get into -qa, then | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: actually, there were a whole lot of bugs getting marked as critical that werent | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: see #ubuntu-bugs - the topic | 03:24 |
| trappist | yeah it's inevitable if it's wide open | 03:24 |
| trappist | thanks | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | I think you have to be in the ubuntu-qa team or something similar | 03:25 |
| trappist | LaserJock: heh yea we just covered that :) | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | trappist: sorry, had huge lag | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: read 6 lines up :P | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 03:26 |
| trappist | as useful as triaging is, and as easy as it is (or can be), maybe it'd be better to just blacklist abusers | 03:27 |
| trappist | than to put up this barrier to entry | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | it's not much of a barrier | 03:27 |
| StevenK | It takes more time to clean up and blacklist people, than to do what is currently done. | 03:27 |
| trappist | LaserJock: maybe - I'll let you know how long before my application gets reviewed :) | 03:28 |
| trappist | StevenK: definitely, but I suspect we lose a lot of triagers | 03:28 |
| trappist | I've probably gone through 500 bugs wondering why I couldn't triage before I thought to ask | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | well, triagers really do need to be integrated with the bug squad et al. | 03:29 |
| trappist | also, it would probably cut way down on abuse if reporters were just prevented from triaging their own bugs | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | it isn't so much to prevent abuse, IMO, as it is to organize effort | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: point. | 03:31 |
| trappist | I'd even be happy with maybe a hyperlinked question mark next to the plaintext importance, pointing to something that answers some of these questions | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: perhaps suggest that on #launchpad ? that's a good idea | 03:35 |
| trappist | oh yeah, will do | 03:35 |
| trappist | actually I think I'll file a bug on malone | 03:36 |
| trappist | I'd make it a wishlist bug, but you know ;) | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:37 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'm not sure that the reporter is really supposed to be the one to change the importance | 03:37 |
| trappist | LaserJock: I agree, except when I know my bug is a wishlist item | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that I can see | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: true, i've asked for a checkbox for "wishlist" | 03:38 |
| trappist | I shouldn't be able to change "group searching in pan should be case-insensitive" to critical | 03:39 |
| trappist | Hobbsee: that's a good one | 03:39 |
| trappist | that's a darn good one | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | hmm, but what if it really is important but the reporter doesn't know it? :-) | 03:39 |
| trappist | that's a good point. 'wishlist' could easily be misunderstood to mean 'I wish this would get fixed' | 03:40 |
| trappist | and then it could easily get overlooked | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | I mean the idea is that you start out with a "virgin" bug that nobody else has seen | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | and then somebody else with the necessary knowledge comes around | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | and determines what it should be | 03:41 |
| trappist | triages, confirms, etc. | 03:41 |
| trappist | which brings up - why is it possible for me to confirm my own bugs? (just tested that) | 03:42 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | it's useful | 03:46 |
| trappist | doesn't it defeat the purpose? | 03:46 |
| trappist | if no one else can duplicate it, shouldn't it stay unconfirmed? | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | yes | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: it's probably for the case of "i have got this, i've seen about 5 other people on irc who have this, this is clearly confirmed" | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | trappist: if the other people dont have a LP account or something | 03:53 |
| trappist | that's a decent point too. my bug's in, I'll leave it to the launchpad folks to weigh the pros and cons :) | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | basically, i'ts common sense | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | and of course, the "make a bugtracker foolproof, and only fools will want to use it" | 04:00 |
| === desrt aims the firehose at Hobbsee | ||
| desrt | there are a lot of fools, too | 04:00 |
| === Hobbsee attacks desrt with her long pointy stick of DOOM! | ||
| trappist | fool-resistance is a good goal | 04:01 |
| === Hobbsee sets desrt on fire, as an afterthought | ||
| desrt | yr too wet to light matches | 04:01 |
| === desrt is heartbroken | ||
| sistpoty | ping infinity: can you help with bootstrapping fpc? (lp bug #2253)... if you need more info, please add this to the bug or mail me at sistpoty@ubuntu.com (not sure if I'll be around on irc during the next days) | 04:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2253 in fpc "fpc needs bootstrapping on buildds" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2253 | 04:06 |
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| siretart | jamesh: where can I find the latest version of python.m4? it seems that you have worked on this at some point.. | 11:32 |
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| jamesh | siretart: in the latest version of automake? | 11:36 |
| lucas__ | is wiki.ubuntu.com down ? it refuses connections to ports 80 and 443 | 11:38 |
| mdke | yes | 11:38 |
| lucas__ | ok | 11:38 |
| siretart | jamesh: oh. I see. I'm working on a package where upstream seems to ship a broken version of python.m4 | 11:38 |
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| shawarma | Keybuk: Do you just want bug reports on upstart or do you also want to know if it worked like it should? | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | shawarma: bug reports please | 01:54 |
| Keybuk | though if it worked properly, it does't need one :) | 01:55 |
| shawarma | Right. :-) | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | did it? | 01:55 |
| shawarma | you jus tsaid you didn't want to know.. :-) | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | I'd still like to know | 01:55 |
| jdub | Keybuk: is there a simple way of installing base system only? i can think of expert install and preseed/kickstart - anything more... immediate? | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | jdub: server on the alternate | 01:56 |
| shawarma | server install is pretty basic. | 01:56 |
| jdub | Keybuk: that's ubuntu-minimal rather than base | 01:56 |
| LarstiQ | debootstrap? | 01:57 |
| shawarma | Keybuk: Jokes aside, upstart seems to work just fine. | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | jdub: there is no base | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | jdub: what do you mean by "base" / | 01:57 |
| jdub | Keybuk: debian sense | 01:57 |
| Keybuk | jdub: debootstrap? | 01:58 |
| sivang | Keybuk: when are you planning to make it part of edgy ? | 01:58 |
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| jdub | Keybuk: about as much mucking around as expert, only manual :) | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | sivang: next week or two | 02:01 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: Is the code brutal, given it's a replacement for init and inetd? | 02:02 |
| jdub | Keybuk: got plans for pimping cross-distro adoption? | 02:02 |
| sivang | Keybuk: cool | 02:02 |
| azeem | did any of the other major distribution switch to some next-gen ini system? | 02:03 |
| jdub | don't think so | 02:05 |
| _ion | stevenk: Define brutal. :-) | 02:05 |
| Seveas | urgh -- wiki is back up but saving pages gives nice cgitb tracebacks :/ | 02:05 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: "brutal" ? | 02:05 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: it's only 8K larger than the existing init | 02:05 |
| StevenK | Umm. Looks incredibly evil. | 02:05 |
| Keybuk | azeem: interest from other distros in upstart is high | 02:06 |
| azeem | cool | 02:06 |
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| Seveas | Keybuk, I'm not surprised that people are interested, sysvinit just isn't adequate anymore | 02:06 |
| azeem | Keybuk: the Hurd people found out they don't have WNOWAIT, btw :) | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | anyone got time to sponsor a quick debdiff for main for a lowly MOTU heheh ? | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | wow that killed the room | 02:09 |
| jdub | apparently a base install (via expert, skipping package bits) includes ubuntu-minimal anyway | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | moins jdub | 02:11 |
| Keybuk | azeem: *shrug* who cares about the hurd? | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | jdub / Keybuk: hey i was gonna hack at some of the layout/css for planet.u.c but its obviously not in the bzr tree , anyway i could snag a copy ( i wanted to see about combineing post from the same person in the same day in a single bubble , if that make sense ) | 02:13 |
| Keybuk | imbrandon: I don't have it | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | k | 02:15 |
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| lastnode_ | imbrandon, any news on the bzr repo? we got a sf svn account btw | 02:22 |
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| imbrandon | if you have it in svn i can have it sync to LP's bzr , i'll pop in the chan later today and help you sync it | 02:23 |
| Lure | Keybuk: upstart booted my Kubuntu nw8240 laptop nicely, shutdown/reboot is fast (if initctl is used), does not work from KDE menu (which is probably exepcted) | 02:35 |
| Lure | Keybuk: nice work - I am really happy that somebody started to address init problem | 02:35 |
| Treenaks | Lure: nw8240 -- what resolution? :) | 02:35 |
| Lure | Treenaks: 1920x1200 | 02:35 |
| Treenaks | Lure: and: working with ati or fglrx? | 02:36 |
| Lure | Treenaks: ati (fglrx on dapper) | 02:36 |
| Treenaks | because my nw8240 + 1920x1200 + ati still breaks | 02:36 |
| Lure | Treenaks: in what sense? It only needs MonitorLayout option here... | 02:36 |
| === Hobbsee wonders where this upstart stuff is | ||
| Treenaks | Lure: in 'distorted screen' sense | 02:37 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: see Keybuk blog | 02:37 |
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| Treenaks | Lure: I get a weird distorted wobbly screen | 02:37 |
| Treenaks | Lure: (videos available, let me see where I put them..) | 02:37 |
| Lure | Treenaks: interesting... it has to be some bios/fw issue then... I have read other reports (from offical canonical sponsored tester) | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | ooh...found it :) | 02:37 |
| Keybuk | Lure: I think the fact shutdown is fast is a bug ;) | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | Lure: I got this nw8240 from Canonical.. | 02:38 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, upstart is keybuks plan to take over the world | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | Lure: and it's not the bios, that's at the latest version :) | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: yes. i wish him luck. | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | Lure: anyway, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/20283 has theora files showing the crap :) | 02:38 |
| Lure | Treenaks: ok, so it is you that guy... ;-) | 02:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Medium,Needs info] | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: isnt that my job though, to take over the world? | 02:38 |
| zul | Hobbsee: no its mine | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | zul: nooo! it cant be yours! | 02:39 |
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| zul | its always be mine | 02:39 |
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| Lure | Treenaks: not sure what can be wrong - maybe yours is older/newer and there is some HW/FW bug... | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | Lure: might be | 02:43 |
| Treenaks | Lure: though it's weird that it works with 'official' ATI drivers :) | 02:43 |
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| Lure | Keybuk: when is the plan to have upstart scripts for rcS? | 02:45 |
| === Lure thinks that tis where it will become interesting ;-) | ||
| Lure | s/tis/is/ | 02:46 |
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| Keybuk | Lure: next couple of weeks | 02:49 |
| Lure | Keybuk: so Knot2 will not use upstart yet? | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | Lure: will see, it might be worth doing as an experiment | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | with just running the current scripts | 02:50 |
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| Treenaks | Lure: there are lots of types of NW8240, it seems.. what's your "part number"? (it's next to the serial number on the bottom of the laptop; mine is PG818ET) | 03:18 |
| Lure | Treenaks: PY442EA#ABB - http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/default.aspx?status=obsolete&segment=sm&country=uk&lang=en&pn=Mobile%20Products/HP%20Compaq%20nw8240%20Mobile%20Workstation/PY442EA | 03:22 |
| Treenaks | Lure: that might account for the difference in workingness | 03:23 |
| Lure | Treenaks: most probably - there was another guy who did not have any problems with nw8240 - suspend to RAM/hibernate worked out of box, while mine has started to work after several improvements done in acpi-support | 03:27 |
| Treenaks | Mine still has some wifi trouble | 03:28 |
| Treenaks | after returning from sleep | 03:28 |
| Lure | Treenaks: I still have problems with ati on lid close/undock: bug 40808 | 03:28 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "open lid -> wrong resolution" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40808 | 03:28 |
| Lure | Treenaks: wifi works from day 1 for me... | 03:28 |
| Treenaks | Lure: wifi works, but not after coming back from suspend/hibernate | 03:30 |
| Lure | Treenaks: here wifi gets even reconnected (by knetworkmanager) after suspend/hibernate | 03:31 |
| Treenaks | Lure: hm.. I might need to re-test then :) | 03:34 |
| Treenaks | I might have done something wrong myself :) | 03:34 |
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| shawarma | hmm... I wonder how long I should wait before I can assume that my shipit shipment has gone missing.. shipit says they were sent to shipping company on June 7th. they're not here yet. :-/ | 03:50 |
| infinity | shawarma: After your conduct in Paris, we cancelled your order. | 03:54 |
| shawarma | infinity: looks who's talking. :-) | 03:55 |
| infinity | shawarma: What? I didn't make any developers vomit. :P | 03:55 |
| shawarma | infinity: Oh.. Good point. | 03:56 |
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| shawarma | infinity: Yup, the score: shawarma vs. ubuntu-core-dev: 2-0. | 03:56 |
| infinity | shawarma: You nailed two of us? You we're responsible for Colin, were you? | 03:57 |
| shawarma | infinity: Well... | 03:57 |
| === infinity stares. | ||
| shawarma | infinity: I can't take ALL the credit/blame. | 03:58 |
| shawarma | infinity: But I must say I figured that one out pretty well. sitting in the front-most backseat on that ride is the cleverest thing I ever did. :-) | 03:59 |
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| lastnode | infinity, i bugged you a few weeks back about a log report tool. wonder if you remember me :) | 04:00 |
| shawarma | infinity: I wouldn't have minded being awake to witness it all, though. | 04:00 |
| infinity | lastnode: I do. Would you hate me if I asked you to bug me on a work day? :) | 04:03 |
| infinity | lastnode: Other than random chatter about vomit, I prefer not to think about Ubuntu on weekends. | 04:03 |
| lastnode | infinity, yeah im sorry. :) i made this weekend last weekend too. :\ ill bug you tomorrow dude. thanks. | 04:03 |
| shawarma | Yeah. Sundays really should be reserved for drinking stories. | 04:03 |
| shawarma | it IS sunday, isn't it? | 04:03 |
| infinity | shawarma: Well, it's Monday here, but only by 4 minutes. | 04:04 |
| lastnode | infinity, if ubuntu was my dayjob, id probably not want to think about it on weekends either. :) | 04:04 |
| lastnode | it's Monday? are you in Japan? | 04:04 |
| infinity | lastnode: Australia. | 04:04 |
| === lastnode always thought he was early in ubuntu circles | ||
| shawarma | infinity: So it IS a work day for you. | 04:04 |
| lastnode | oh right | 04:04 |
| zul | infinity: what do you mean you not always working? | 04:04 |
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| infinity | shawarma: Not until I've slept. :P | 04:04 |
| === lastnode is in Sri Lanka | ||
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| infinity | zul: I only work 90 hours per week, the rest I reserve for myself. :P | 04:05 |
| shawarma | infinity: Clever. How long does your average sunday last? Until wednesday? | 04:05 |
| zul | infinity: hehe | 04:05 |
| infinity | shawarma: I wish. :) | 04:05 |
| infinity | shawarma: I wonder how mdz would like it if I changed my core hours to "a 40-hour block, starting Wednesday morning", and then took the rest of the week off. | 04:06 |
| infinity | It's more or less how I work anyway, except that I then end up having to be around for the other days too. | 04:06 |
| zul | i bet he would love it | 04:06 |
| shawarma | infinity: I just bought an espresso maker thing. I've hardly slept ever since. | 04:06 |
| shawarma | infinity: I bet that thing could bring some looooong sundays with it. | 04:07 |
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| bddebian | Morning | 04:15 |
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| linuxboy | I'm having issues with nautilus crashing. #ubuntu doesn't have the people to help, can you help? | 05:52 |
| linuxboy | 5450 adrian 25 0 331m 288m 11m R 80.2 57.4 7:04.52 nautilus | 05:52 |
| linuxboy | i can make it eat all my ram and make my pc unusable | 05:52 |
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| mrDaniel | I am not sure if this is a bug: under windows I can adjust the sound-volumen with Fn+left (turn down) and Fn+right (louder). Under ubuntu this shourtcuts work too (what's great), but the are 'linked' with the wrong volume-control (Headphones). do anyone know who set this 'link' to another volume-control (PCM) ??? | 06:06 |
| sivang | has anyone else seen that google is no longer in ubuntu's firefox quick search ? | 06:08 |
| sivang | I get all sorts of weird search engines.. | 06:09 |
| sivang | but not google itself | 06:09 |
| mrDaniel | @sivang: search-engines can easily be added | 06:09 |
| mrDaniel | just click on 'add engines' | 06:09 |
| sivang | mrDaniel: did that , for some reason google is not htere | 06:11 |
| mrDaniel | that cannot be | 06:12 |
| sivang | mrDaniel: https://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php , can you spot google there? | 06:12 |
| mrDaniel | just 5 min | 06:12 |
| linuxboy | anybody know about my problem/bug? | 06:14 |
| exobuzz | linuxboy: post a bug on launchpad perhaps with steps to reproduce ?| | 06:16 |
| linuxboy | exobuzz: it seems that it is only for one user. and I have no idea how to reproduce | 06:17 |
| linuxboy | exobuzz: I'll remove my config files and leave it | 06:17 |
| linuxboy | exobuzz: any idea where it stores its config files? | 06:18 |
| exobuzz | last last update google made on it's search engine core really sucks anyway. for example "link:mydomain" now comes up with 19 results. even though you can do a "contains" search which shows that at least a few hundred sites link to me. | 06:18 |
| exobuzz | sorry. that was off topic. it just came out. :) | 06:20 |
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| Burgundavia | mjg59: you uploaded an xorg with composting enabled by default no? | 07:14 |
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| sladen | Burgundavia: it was talked about in Germany | 07:15 |
| _ion | compost, n. A mixture of decaying organic matter, as from leaves and manure, used to improve soil structure and provide nutrients. | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | _ion: right. I just woke up ;) | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | sladen, writing something for UWN | 07:16 |
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| zyga | is keybuk around on weekends? | 07:26 |
| sladen | zyga: no, he's sitting in the garden drinking beer with his dog, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian! | 07:27 |
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| zyga | ;-) | 07:28 |
| sivang | sladen: seems like you're in the Debian UK BBQ ? ;-) | 07:29 |
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| sladen | sivang: score! | 07:30 |
| sivang | hehe | 07:30 |
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| sladen | Burgundavia: in fact, mjg59 is sitting in the garden, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian too. I think he was next to keybuk the last time I looked | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | sladen: right. Which garden is this? | 07:32 |
| sladen | Burgundavia: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006 | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | right, slackers ;) | 07:36 |
| quail | SysInfo: Linux 2.6.17-6-686 | Dual Pentium III (Katmai) 549.155 MHz | Bogomips: 2198.15 | Mem: 553/757M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 26.48G Free: 10.98G | Procs: 103 | Uptime: 5 days 3 hrs 19 mins 46 secs | Load: 0.61 0.43 0.34 | Screen: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva] AGP (rev 02) @ 1152x864 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 381.61M Out: 169.04M | 07:37 |
| sladen | quail: please don't do that here | 07:38 |
| quail | sladen: blah | 07:39 |
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| sladen | quail: this is the Ubuntu development channel. | 07:39 |
| quail | sladen: oops sorry wrong channel | 07:40 |
| exobuzz | Sysinfo: Commodore 64, 64kb Ram, VIC II, 6581 SID, etc :) | 07:41 |
| zyga | heh ;] | 07:41 |
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| quail | sladen: sorry i thought i was in another ubuntu channel | 07:41 |
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| Mez | what ? just because I joined ? | 07:42 |
| exobuzz | when I die, I want my life's worth of knowledge and experience transferred into my c64. And with luck, there will be 16kb free for a game. | 07:42 |
| sladen | Mez: nope, | 07:42 |
| quail | ehhe | 07:42 |
| Mez | evening sladen | 07:42 |
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| kagou | hi | 08:58 |
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| Keybuk | I appear to have broken madduck :) | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: physically or mentally? | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | physically | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | sadly | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | uh | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | I mean MENTALLY | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | oops | 09:18 |
| bddebian | hehe | 09:18 |
| Keybuk | it turns out that upstart, to be uploaded to Debian, needs to depend on the experimental libc | 09:19 |
| Nafallo | lol | 09:19 |
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| zul | oops | 09:22 |
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| Burgundavia | Keybuk: well, breaking two distros is better than breaking one | 09:25 |
| Keybuk | three | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | three? | 09:26 |
| Keybuk | Fedora appear to be at least interested | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | nice | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: has Novell/Suse even returned your emails? | 09:28 |
| Keybuk | it's a little odd actually, everyone's pouncing in a "can you give me an example of an event.d file for a cron script?" kind of way | 09:28 |
| Keybuk | and I'm having to do the "whoah! released early, not complete" | 09:28 |
| sivang | Keybuk: do you have any idea about GtkComboBoxes ? | 09:29 |
| Keybuk | sivang: no | 09:29 |
| sivang | Keybuk: okay. I recall you did some gtk programming once , though ;-) | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | yeah, but I don't have any idea about it | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | I can do it quite successfully | 09:30 |
| Keybuk | but I just keep a TAGS file around with references to the complete gnome desktop and platform source | 09:30 |
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| Keybuk | and whenever I want to know anything, I either find the widget, or an app that uses it | 09:31 |
| sivang | Keybuk: TAGS ? | 09:31 |
| sivang | okay, I need to find an app that uses GtkCOmboBOx in a customized way, that is using non default CellRenderes | 09:31 |
| sivang | Keybuk: can you please help? ;-) ^^ | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: you seen the thread on debian-devel about ifupdown rethink? | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | sivang: yeah, download the tarballs, unpack them all, generate a TAGS file with etags, etc. | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | Burgundavia: no? | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/08/msg00948.html | 09:33 |
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| Burgundavia | they have wandered into "lets redo NM territory" | 09:33 |
| sivang | ouch | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | without actually realizing it | 09:33 |
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| sivang | ouch^2 | 09:33 |
| Keybuk | it's not a bad thing | 09:34 |
| Keybuk | I'll read that thread once I've finished reading my own press ;) | 09:34 |
| bddebian | Keybuk has Press? | 09:35 |
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| Burgundavia | Keybuk: you are getting press in UWN, which will be out in a few minutes | 09:35 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: several people appear to have picked up the upstart blog entry | 09:36 |
| bddebian | Ah | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | including osnews | 09:36 |
| sivang | Keybuk: would you mind if I explained you a problem I have with suhc a widget, as you might have already solved something like this? | 09:37 |
| bddebian | Must be hell to be popular ;-P | 09:37 |
| Keybuk | sivang: I really, really cannot answer without doing the kind of research I recommend that you do yourself | 09:37 |
| sivang | Keybuk: okay, I understand. thanks for the TAGS tip! | 09:38 |
| sivang | hmm, nice, I was sure upstart was something from upstream that we took and improved .. | 09:38 |
| sivang | I mean, that Keybuk took and improved. | 09:39 |
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| Keybuk | nope | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | I did discover later that there was an abandoned 0.0.1 daemontools-alike with that name | 09:39 |
| sivang | very cool to know it originates by you :-) | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | given the lack of development and the author has deliberately abandoned it and decided it was wrong, I decided to not think up a new name | 09:40 |
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| beshy | Composite by default in xorg-server (ubuntu9) breaks fglrx | 09:41 |
| beshy | ;] | 09:41 |
| sivang | Keybuk: no one can blame you :-) | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | beshy: welcome to edgy | 09:42 |
| _ion | Let's just fix fglrx, then. After all, we have the source code. </sarcasm> | 09:42 |
| beshy | sorry for stating the obvious then ;/ | 09:43 |
| sivang | beshy: fglrx hasn't worked for me yet with edgy ;-) | 09:43 |
| sivang | beshy: so I can't feel the difference | 09:43 |
| beshy | sivang: that's because the new drivers havent been uploaded ;) | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | _ion: there was a new release, that might fix it. But lrm has not been updated yet | 09:43 |
| sivang | beshy: ah, well, same to me :p | 09:44 |
| beshy | Burgundavia: I'm using the latest, | 09:44 |
| gnomefreak | why is it i keep getting from ff and thunderbird that its already running? | 09:45 |
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| gnomefreak | newly installed both | 09:45 |
| gnomefreak | fixed it i think | 09:48 |
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| pygi | botox :) | 10:44 |
| bluefoxicy | heh | 10:46 |
| bluefoxicy | the crash detector always reports the same program | 10:46 |
| siretart | pygi: botox? | 10:47 |
| pygi | siretart, debian fork of cdrtools :) | 10:47 |
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| siretart | pygi: I know | 10:48 |
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| pygi | siretart, I know you know :) | 10:49 |
| === pygi forgot how cdrecord is called :-/ | ||
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| OddAbe19 | my gnome-panel eats 100% cpu all the time, how do i file a bug? | 10:52 |
| OddAbe19 | for edgy | 10:52 |
| siretart | pygi: currently wodim, | 10:52 |
| siretart | until someone comes up with a better name. | 10:53 |
| siretart | Zomb is still open for suggestions.. | 10:53 |
| pygi | siretart, right :) | 10:53 |
| === pygi hopes libburn will once be able to replace entire cdrtools | ||
| siretart | pygi: it will never be able to fully replace it | 10:54 |
| siretart | pygi: if you want to try out the current state of libburn, look at cdrskin | 10:55 |
| Mithrandir | I solved the problem by giving away all my CD-Rs. | 10:55 |
| bddebian | Heh | 10:55 |
| pygi | siretart, I am upstream, you know :) | 10:55 |
| Mithrandir | DVDs are just so much more pleasant to work with | 10:55 |
| siretart | pygi: oh, I didn't know. :) | 10:57 |
| siretart | pygi: how's libburn coming along lately? | 10:58 |
| pygi | siretart, very good, very good :) | 10:58 |
| siretart | good to hear :) | 10:58 |
| pygi | now, you should never make statements like above that it will never be able to fully replace is :) | 10:58 |
| siretart | pygi: I should be more verbose about what I meant then. I don't think it is really necessary to support every exotic burning device that cdrecord supports | 10:59 |
| bluefoxicy | anyone got a trick for me to run gdb with an LD_PRELOAD on the target | 10:59 |
| siretart | pygi: moreover, AFAIK libburn doesn't have a mkisofs equivalent, does it? | 11:00 |
| pygi | siretart, libisofs | 11:00 |
| pygi | if you think a command-line client, please look: http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/GenIsoFs | 11:01 |
| siretart | oh, I should inform myself better. right. | 11:01 |
| pygi | We lack three most notably features, then things will go better | 11:02 |
| siretart | looks promising. indeed | 11:02 |
| pygi | -tao, -multi, and dvd | 11:03 |
| pygi | siretart, it'll probably take some time until we get those features | 11:05 |
| === sivang dreams about -multi | ||
| pygi | sivang, I know, I know ^_^ | 11:06 |
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| sivang | siretart: when they do get -multi, hubackup will be the first thing to use it :-) | 11:06 |
| martoss | hi there | 11:06 |
| pygi | sivang, if you could find some docs about multi-session, that would be great ^_^ | 11:07 |
| pygi | sivang, I dream of -multi for edgy+1, but I kinda doubt :( | 11:09 |
| sivang | pygi: can't we just poke the cdrecord code? | 11:10 |
| pygi | sivang, we can, I don't want to do so | 11:10 |
| pygi | genisofs and cdrskin should make the transition from cdrecord && mkisofs very easy | 11:12 |
| pygi | as a middle way to fully using the library itself | 11:12 |
| pygi | (the above was to siretart :)) | 11:12 |
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| bluefoxicy | wtf. | 11:13 |
| siretart | pygi: since botox will remain GPL (and only GPL), I don't see legal problems in looking at the botox source | 11:14 |
| beshy | OddAbe19: it seems to be gam_server puking... a killall gam_server "fixes" it for me | 11:14 |
| pygi | siretart, no legal problems, but the code is in state of mess....mkisofs code is almost unreadable...cdrecord is a bit better but still in mess... | 11:14 |
| OddAbe19 | beshy, no process killed | 11:15 |
| OddAbe19 | i also don't have debian.menu based off of Bug #52405 | 11:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52405 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel eats 50% cpu for half an hour and flickers" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52405 | 11:15 |
| siretart | pygi: yes, I poked at the code.. | 11:16 |
| siretart | it looks really.. portable... | 11:16 |
| siretart | sort of | 11:16 |
| pygi | hm, portable in what sense? | 11:16 |
| siretart | in JS sense | 11:16 |
| pygi | enlight me with what "JS" means :) | 11:17 |
| sivang | pygi: I solved it! It was a glade stupidity! | 11:17 |
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| siretart | pygi: JS == joerg schilling | 11:17 |
| pygi | siretart, ah, right :) | 11:18 |
| === pygi counterhugs sivang | ||
| bluefoxicy | uh | 11:18 |
| bluefoxicy | ok | 11:18 |
| pygi | sivang, I don't want to have any code or even get inspired from it if it's from cdrecord or mkisofs | 11:18 |
| pygi | siretart, * | 11:18 |
| pygi | even if that means I'll spend more time on getting things work properly and getting new features in | 11:19 |
| pygi | libburn is advancing at rapid state | 11:19 |
| pygi | for now, at least | 11:19 |
| pygi | we've got entire libisofs rewrite for example, 5k lines down to 3k lines | 11:19 |
| bluefoxicy | someone take a look at this. | 11:19 |
| pygi | much simpler and more efficient api :) | 11:19 |
| sivang | pygi: is it some license issues with the code in cdrecord ? | 11:19 |
| pygi | siretart, no, not licences (now that we have botox), it's just that the code is mess, real mess | 11:20 |
| pygi | sivang, * | 11:20 |
| pygi | ergh, I started mixing! | 11:20 |
| sivang | pygi: what is botox ? | 11:22 |
| pygi | sivang, debian fork of cdrtools | 11:23 |
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| siretart | sivang: svn co svn://svn.debian.org/debburn/nonameyet/trunk | 11:24 |
| bluefoxicy | nah, this has got to be my code | 11:24 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't see set_selinuxmnt() even allocating anything | 11:25 |
| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kg4CWU34.html | 11:25 |
| pygi | siretart, I think such a thing will be very hard to maintain unless all distros form a team to coordinate one unified fork | 11:25 |
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| siretart | pygi: it is meant as a interim solution until libburn and friends become more mature, AFAIUI | 11:26 |
| pygi | siretart, I know :) | 11:26 |
| pygi | siretart, somebody gimme more development powers then :) | 11:27 |
| sivang | pygi, siretart : ah , I recall now pygi told me about it. Very cool | 11:27 |
| pygi | sivang, btw. there'll be python extension, there's already some work done on libburn ^_^ | 11:28 |
| pygi | for libisofs will be later | 11:28 |
| pygi | but I've surely told you this before | 11:30 |
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| sivang | pygi: I think so :) | 11:33 |
| pygi | sivang, pm btw. :P | 11:33 |
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| Kamion | slomo,ajmitch: so ... what are we going to swap out of desktop to make room for the 6MB or so used by mono (due only to tomboy and f-spot)? | 12:07 |
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