=== cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@203-59-178-78.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] is the edgy kernel still accepting patches? I have a patch for a network card driver I would like to see in edgy. (It's a one line patch to add support for a PHY which the current driver doesnt recognise - and for phy's it doesnt know it puts them into what seems a rather silly mode causing packet loss) === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] launchpad confuses me. i added a bug report and it told me [01:00] Thank you for your bug report. [01:00] The package linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not published in Ubuntu; the bug was targeted only to the distribution. [01:01] does that mean i fsked up ? === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] not entirely [01:01] i wanted to add a bug to the linux kernel binary for edgy [01:01] linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not a source package [01:01] oh [01:02] how can i fix this ? rediret the bug. or cant i ? [01:02] you can ask #ubuntu-bugs [01:02] but yeah [01:02] you can fix it [01:02] i think ive sorted it [01:03] can i change the importance. i didnt see a box to fill out for that [01:04] it says importance is "Untriaged" . [01:04] importance can only be changed by a member of the ubuntu-qa team === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] exobuzz: yeah, the ubuntu-qa team will triage it and change the importance [01:07] triage.. i need to look that word up :-) [01:07] exobuzz: well, make sure the bug has all the info it needs and is confirmed so it's ready for developers to work on [01:07] i want to get a patch into the edgy kernel. but the patch is quite new. its not even in 2.6.18 yet.. but its a simple patch that wont break anything.. [01:07] i might get lucky.. === jcsmith [n=jcsmith@24-50-249-104.pittpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] LaserJock: how do i make it confirmed? [01:14] oh sorry you mean they do that [01:14] my brain is off [01:14] ignore me :) [01:15] no problem === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] what happened to libgtk in edgy? === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stefan [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.170.134.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stefan is now known as sistpoty === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F493.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Say there's a bug that's been confirmed and has a fixy patch attached to it, that's been languishing in that state for a long time. What's the appropriate way to get it a little attention? [03:13] Bug people to fix it? [03:14] well it's been fixed in that there's a patch. How to know who to bug to apply the patch and upload [03:14] Is it in universe or main? [03:15] the one I was just looking at is in main. pan. [03:15] in universe I assign it to motu-reviewers [03:17] trappist: you could try to assign it to ubuntu-main-sponsors [03:18] (or subscribe that team to the bug if it has a good assignee already) [03:18] it's not assigned, I'll do that [03:18] thanks [03:18] np [03:19] while I'm here - it seems the only thing I can't do to a bug is triage it - am I missing something, or do I need to be a member of some group to do that? [03:20] trappist: I don't think so [03:21] trappist: have you tried clicking on the package name (directly under affects)? [03:22] yeah, there's a plaintext (no href) "importance" [03:23] trappist: you have to be in the ubuntu-qa group to change that [03:23] trappist: it got abused too much [03:23] Hobbsee: ah thanks... didn't know that yet ;) [03:23] Hobbsee: that seems strange, if I can declare a bug fixed, reject it, subscribe people to it, etc., all ripe for abuse. but I can see how everybody would want to mark their own wishlist bugs 'critical' [03:23] sistpoty: you wouldnt - dev and core dev are automatically a part of -qa [03:24] trappist: true that. you cant stop everything. [03:24] Hobbsee: how does somebody get into -qa, then [03:24] trappist: actually, there were a whole lot of bugs getting marked as critical that werent [03:24] trappist: see #ubuntu-bugs - the topic [03:24] yeah it's inevitable if it's wide open [03:24] thanks [03:25] I think you have to be in the ubuntu-qa team or something similar [03:26] LaserJock: heh yea we just covered that :) [03:26] trappist: sorry, had huge lag [03:26] LaserJock: read 6 lines up :P [03:26] fair enough [03:27] as useful as triaging is, and as easy as it is (or can be), maybe it'd be better to just blacklist abusers [03:27] than to put up this barrier to entry [03:27] it's not much of a barrier [03:27] It takes more time to clean up and blacklist people, than to do what is currently done. [03:28] LaserJock: maybe - I'll let you know how long before my application gets reviewed :) [03:28] StevenK: definitely, but I suspect we lose a lot of triagers [03:29] I've probably gone through 500 bugs wondering why I couldn't triage before I thought to ask [03:29] well, triagers really do need to be integrated with the bug squad et al. [03:30] also, it would probably cut way down on abuse if reporters were just prevented from triaging their own bugs [03:30] it isn't so much to prevent abuse, IMO, as it is to organize effort [03:31] LaserJock: point. [03:33] I'd even be happy with maybe a hyperlinked question mark next to the plaintext importance, pointing to something that answers some of these questions [03:35] trappist: perhaps suggest that on #launchpad ? that's a good idea [03:35] oh yeah, will do [03:36] actually I think I'll file a bug on malone [03:36] I'd make it a wishlist bug, but you know ;) [03:37] heh === Hobbsee just uses #launchpad for suggestions. [03:37] well, I'm not sure that the reporter is really supposed to be the one to change the importance [03:38] LaserJock: I agree, except when I know my bug is a wishlist item [03:38] yeah, that I can see [03:38] trappist: true, i've asked for a checkbox for "wishlist" [03:39] I shouldn't be able to change "group searching in pan should be case-insensitive" to critical [03:39] Hobbsee: that's a good one [03:39] that's a darn good one [03:39] hmm, but what if it really is important but the reporter doesn't know it? :-) [03:40] that's a good point. 'wishlist' could easily be misunderstood to mean 'I wish this would get fixed' [03:40] and then it could easily get overlooked [03:40] I mean the idea is that you start out with a "virgin" bug that nobody else has seen [03:41] and then somebody else with the necessary knowledge comes around [03:41] and determines what it should be [03:41] triages, confirms, etc. [03:42] which brings up - why is it possible for me to confirm my own bugs? (just tested that) === trappist fires off another malone bug === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] heh [03:46] it's useful [03:46] doesn't it defeat the purpose? [03:47] if no one else can duplicate it, shouldn't it stay unconfirmed? [03:49] yes [03:52] yes [03:53] trappist: it's probably for the case of "i have got this, i've seen about 5 other people on irc who have this, this is clearly confirmed" [03:53] trappist: if the other people dont have a LP account or something [03:57] that's a decent point too. my bug's in, I'll leave it to the launchpad folks to weigh the pros and cons :) [04:00] basically, i'ts common sense [04:00] and of course, the "make a bugtracker foolproof, and only fools will want to use it" === desrt aims the firehose at Hobbsee [04:00] there are a lot of fools, too === Hobbsee attacks desrt with her long pointy stick of DOOM! [04:01] fool-resistance is a good goal === Hobbsee sets desrt on fire, as an afterthought [04:01] yr too wet to light matches === desrt is heartbroken [04:06] ping infinity: can you help with bootstrapping fpc? (lp bug #2253)... if you need more info, please add this to the bug or mail me at sistpoty@ubuntu.com (not sure if I'll be around on irc during the next days) [04:06] Malone bug 2253 in fpc "fpc needs bootstrapping on buildds" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2253 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stefan [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.170.134.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stefan is now known as sistpoty === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.146.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam [n=aaron@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@199.212-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@199.212-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc3-blfs4-0-0-cust387.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@199.212-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-56-223.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-51.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas_ [n=dean@host86-129-20-98.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davidme [n=davidme@206.124.150.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] jamesh: where can I find the latest version of python.m4? it seems that you have worked on this at some point.. === lucas__ [n=lucas@AAnnecy-152-1-17-134.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] siretart: in the latest version of automake? [11:38] is wiki.ubuntu.com down ? it refuses connections to ports 80 and 443 [11:38] yes [11:38] ok [11:38] jamesh: oh. I see. 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[01:54] shawarma: bug reports please [01:55] though if it worked properly, it does't need one :) [01:55] Right. :-) [01:55] did it? [01:55] you jus tsaid you didn't want to know.. :-) [01:55] I'd still like to know [01:55] Keybuk: is there a simple way of installing base system only? i can think of expert install and preseed/kickstart - anything more... immediate? [01:56] jdub: server on the alternate [01:56] server install is pretty basic. [01:56] Keybuk: that's ubuntu-minimal rather than base [01:57] debootstrap? [01:57] Keybuk: Jokes aside, upstart seems to work just fine. [01:57] jdub: there is no base [01:57] jdub: what do you mean by "base" / [01:57] Keybuk: debian sense [01:58] jdub: debootstrap? [01:58] Keybuk: when are you planning to make it part of edgy ? === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] Keybuk: about as much mucking around as expert, only manual :) [02:01] sivang: next week or two [02:02] Keybuk: Is the code brutal, given it's a replacement for init and inetd? [02:02] Keybuk: got plans for pimping cross-distro adoption? [02:02] Keybuk: cool [02:03] did any of the other major distribution switch to some next-gen ini system? [02:05] don't think so [02:05] <_ion> stevenk: Define brutal. :-) [02:05] urgh -- wiki is back up but saving pages gives nice cgitb tracebacks :/ [02:05] StevenK: "brutal" ? [02:05] StevenK: it's only 8K larger than the existing init [02:05] Umm. Looks incredibly evil. [02:06] azeem: interest from other distros in upstart is high [02:06] cool === azeem checks scrollback for obvious python jokes [02:06] Keybuk, I'm not surprised that people are interested, sysvinit just isn't adequate anymore [02:07] Keybuk: the Hurd people found out they don't have WNOWAIT, btw :) [02:07] anyone got time to sponsor a quick debdiff for main for a lowly MOTU heheh ? [02:09] wow that killed the room [02:10] apparently a base install (via expert, skipping package bits) includes ubuntu-minimal anyway [02:11] moins jdub [02:12] azeem: *shrug* who cares about the hurd? [02:13] jdub / Keybuk: hey i was gonna hack at some of the layout/css for planet.u.c but its obviously not in the bzr tree , anyway i could snag a copy ( i wanted to see about combineing post from the same person in the same day in a single bubble , if that make sense ) [02:15] imbrandon: I don't have it [02:15] k === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] imbrandon, any news on the bzr repo? we got a sf svn account btw === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] if you have it in svn i can have it sync to LP's bzr , i'll pop in the chan later today and help you sync it [02:35] Keybuk: upstart booted my Kubuntu nw8240 laptop nicely, shutdown/reboot is fast (if initctl is used), does not work from KDE menu (which is probably exepcted) [02:35] Keybuk: nice work - I am really happy that somebody started to address init problem [02:35] Lure: nw8240 -- what resolution? :) [02:35] Treenaks: 1920x1200 [02:36] Lure: and: working with ati or fglrx? [02:36] Treenaks: ati (fglrx on dapper) [02:36] because my nw8240 + 1920x1200 + ati still breaks [02:36] Treenaks: in what sense? It only needs MonitorLayout option here... === Hobbsee wonders where this upstart stuff is [02:37] Lure: in 'distorted screen' sense [02:37] Hobbsee: see Keybuk blog === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.145] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee checks the planet [02:37] Lure: I get a weird distorted wobbly screen [02:37] Lure: (videos available, let me see where I put them..) [02:37] Treenaks: interesting... it has to be some bios/fw issue then... I have read other reports (from offical canonical sponsored tester) [02:37] ooh...found it :) [02:38] Lure: I think the fact shutdown is fast is a bug ;) [02:38] Lure: I got this nw8240 from Canonical.. [02:38] Hobbsee, upstart is keybuks plan to take over the world [02:38] Lure: and it's not the bios, that's at the latest version :) [02:38] Seveas: yes. i wish him luck. [02:38] Lure: anyway, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/20283 has theora files showing the crap :) [02:38] Treenaks: ok, so it is you that guy... ;-) [02:38] Malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Medium,Needs info] [02:38] Seveas: isnt that my job though, to take over the world? [02:39] Hobbsee: no its mine [02:39] zul: nooo! it cant be yours! === Hobbsee attacks zul with her long pointy stick of DOOM! [02:39] its always be mine === zul notes that he cant be sticked [02:40] Treenaks: not sure what can be wrong - maybe yours is older/newer and there is some HW/FW bug... [02:43] Lure: might be [02:43] Lure: though it's weird that it works with 'official' ATI drivers :) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Keybuk: when is the plan to have upstart scripts for rcS? === Lure thinks that tis where it will become interesting ;-) [02:46] s/tis/is/ === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7FA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] Lure: next couple of weeks [02:50] Keybuk: so Knot2 will not use upstart yet? [02:50] Lure: will see, it might be worth doing as an experiment [02:50] with just running the current scripts === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] Lure: there are lots of types of NW8240, it seems.. what's your "part number"? (it's next to the serial number on the bottom of the laptop; mine is PG818ET) [03:22] Treenaks: PY442EA#ABB - http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/default.aspx?status=obsolete&segment=sm&country=uk&lang=en&pn=Mobile%20Products/HP%20Compaq%20nw8240%20Mobile%20Workstation/PY442EA [03:23] Lure: that might account for the difference in workingness [03:27] Treenaks: most probably - there was another guy who did not have any problems with nw8240 - suspend to RAM/hibernate worked out of box, while mine has started to work after several improvements done in acpi-support [03:28] Mine still has some wifi trouble [03:28] after returning from sleep [03:28] Treenaks: I still have problems with ati on lid close/undock: bug 40808 === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] Malone bug 40808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "open lid -> wrong resolution" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40808 [03:28] Treenaks: wifi works from day 1 for me... [03:30] Lure: wifi works, but not after coming back from suspend/hibernate [03:31] Treenaks: here wifi gets even reconnected (by knetworkmanager) after suspend/hibernate [03:34] Lure: hm.. I might need to re-test then :) [03:34] I might have done something wrong myself :) === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.173.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-225-239.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-61-118.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@199.212-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] hmm... I wonder how long I should wait before I can assume that my shipit shipment has gone missing.. shipit says they were sent to shipping company on June 7th. they're not here yet. :-/ [03:54] shawarma: After your conduct in Paris, we cancelled your order. [03:55] infinity: looks who's talking. :-) [03:55] shawarma: What? I didn't make any developers vomit. :P [03:56] infinity: Oh.. Good point. === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] infinity: Yup, the score: shawarma vs. ubuntu-core-dev: 2-0. [03:57] shawarma: You nailed two of us? You we're responsible for Colin, were you? [03:57] infinity: Well... === infinity stares. [03:58] infinity: I can't take ALL the credit/blame. [03:59] infinity: But I must say I figured that one out pretty well. sitting in the front-most backseat on that ride is the cleverest thing I ever did. :-) === Zdra [n=zdra@199.212-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] infinity, i bugged you a few weeks back about a log report tool. wonder if you remember me :) [04:00] infinity: I wouldn't have minded being awake to witness it all, though. [04:03] lastnode: I do. Would you hate me if I asked you to bug me on a work day? :) [04:03] lastnode: Other than random chatter about vomit, I prefer not to think about Ubuntu on weekends. [04:03] infinity, yeah im sorry. :) i made this weekend last weekend too. :\ ill bug you tomorrow dude. thanks. [04:03] Yeah. Sundays really should be reserved for drinking stories. [04:03] it IS sunday, isn't it? [04:04] shawarma: Well, it's Monday here, but only by 4 minutes. [04:04] infinity, if ubuntu was my dayjob, id probably not want to think about it on weekends either. :) [04:04] it's Monday? are you in Japan? [04:04] lastnode: Australia. === lastnode always thought he was early in ubuntu circles [04:04] infinity: So it IS a work day for you. [04:04] oh right [04:04] infinity: what do you mean you not always working? === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] shawarma: Not until I've slept. :P === lastnode is in Sri Lanka === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA7BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] zul: I only work 90 hours per week, the rest I reserve for myself. :P [04:05] infinity: Clever. How long does your average sunday last? Until wednesday? [04:05] infinity: hehe [04:05] shawarma: I wish. :) [04:06] shawarma: I wonder how mdz would like it if I changed my core hours to "a 40-hour block, starting Wednesday morning", and then took the rest of the week off. [04:06] It's more or less how I work anyway, except that I then end up having to be around for the other days too. [04:06] i bet he would love it [04:06] infinity: I just bought an espresso maker thing. I've hardly slept ever since. [04:07] infinity: I bet that thing could bring some looooong sundays with it. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Morning === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@CPE-144-136-125-169.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-229-159.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x50a1ee0c.unknown.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre_ [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-4-54.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp130-22.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep_ [n=pradeep@59.92.35.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host163-101.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leave,] === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] I'm having issues with nautilus crashing. #ubuntu doesn't have the people to help, can you help? [05:52] 5450 adrian 25 0 331m 288m 11m R 80.2 57.4 7:04.52 nautilus [05:52] i can make it eat all my ram and make my pc unusable === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrDaniel [n=daniel@c160201.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp130-22.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] I am not sure if this is a bug: under windows I can adjust the sound-volumen with Fn+left (turn down) and Fn+right (louder). Under ubuntu this shourtcuts work too (what's great), but the are 'linked' with the wrong volume-control (Headphones). do anyone know who set this 'link' to another volume-control (PCM) ??? [06:08] has anyone else seen that google is no longer in ubuntu's firefox quick search ? [06:09] I get all sorts of weird search engines.. [06:09] but not google itself [06:09] @sivang: search-engines can easily be added [06:09] just click on 'add engines' [06:11] mrDaniel: did that , for some reason google is not htere [06:12] that cannot be [06:12] mrDaniel: https://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php , can you spot google there? [06:12] just 5 min [06:14] anybody know about my problem/bug? [06:16] linuxboy: post a bug on launchpad perhaps with steps to reproduce ?| [06:17] exobuzz: it seems that it is only for one user. and I have no idea how to reproduce [06:17] exobuzz: I'll remove my config files and leave it [06:18] exobuzz: any idea where it stores its config files? [06:18] last last update google made on it's search engine core really sucks anyway. for example "link:mydomain" now comes up with 19 results. even though you can do a "contains" search which shows that at least a few hundred sites link to me. 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A mixture of decaying organic matter, as from leaves and manure, used to improve soil structure and provide nutrients. [07:16] _ion: right. I just woke up ;) [07:16] sladen, writing something for UWN === evand_ is now known as evand [07:26] is keybuk around on weekends? [07:27] zyga: no, he's sitting in the garden drinking beer with his dog, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian! === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B29E2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga looks at his dog [07:28] ;-) [07:29] sladen: seems like you're in the Debian UK BBQ ? ;-) === evand_ [n=evan_d@72.20.218.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] sivang: score! [07:30] hehe === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc1-whit1-0-0-cust45.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc3-blfs4-0-0-cust387.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] Burgundavia: in fact, mjg59 is sitting in the garden, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian too. I think he was next to keybuk the last time I looked [07:32] sladen: right. Which garden is this? [07:35] Burgundavia: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006 [07:36] right, slackers ;) [07:37] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.17-6-686 | Dual Pentium III (Katmai) 549.155 MHz | Bogomips: 2198.15 | Mem: 553/757M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 26.48G Free: 10.98G | Procs: 103 | Uptime: 5 days 3 hrs 19 mins 46 secs | Load: 0.61 0.43 0.34 | Screen: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva] AGP (rev 02) @ 1152x864 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 381.61M Out: 169.04M [07:38] quail: please don't do that here [07:39] sladen: blah === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] quail: this is the Ubuntu development channel. [07:40] sladen: oops sorry wrong channel [07:41] Sysinfo: Commodore 64, 64kb Ram, VIC II, 6581 SID, etc :) [07:41] heh ;] === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] sladen: sorry i thought i was in another ubuntu channel === Mez [i=basilwik@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail changes channel [07:42] what ? just because I joined ? [07:42] when I die, I want my life's worth of knowledge and experience transferred into my c64. And with luck, there will be 16kb free for a game. 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[09:18] physically [09:18] sadly [09:18] uh [09:18] I mean MENTALLY [09:18] oops [09:18] hehe [09:19] it turns out that upstart, to be uploaded to Debian, needs to depend on the experimental libc [09:19] lol === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] oops === RadiantFire [i=4009364d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.jpgclan.com/x-ce98af07ea880dbc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] Keybuk: well, breaking two distros is better than breaking one [09:25] three [09:26] three? [09:26] Fedora appear to be at least interested [09:26] nice [09:28] Keybuk: has Novell/Suse even returned your emails? [09:28] it's a little odd actually, everyone's pouncing in a "can you give me an example of an event.d file for a cron script?" kind of way [09:28] and I'm having to do the "whoah! released early, not complete" [09:29] Keybuk: do you have any idea about GtkComboBoxes ? [09:29] sivang: no [09:30] Keybuk: okay. I recall you did some gtk programming once , though ;-) [09:30] yeah, but I don't have any idea about it [09:30] I can do it quite successfully [09:30] but I just keep a TAGS file around with references to the complete gnome desktop and platform source === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] and whenever I want to know anything, I either find the widget, or an app that uses it [09:31] Keybuk: TAGS ? [09:31] okay, I need to find an app that uses GtkCOmboBOx in a customized way, that is using non default CellRenderes [09:31] Keybuk: can you please help? ;-) ^^ [09:32] Keybuk: you seen the thread on debian-devel about ifupdown rethink? [09:32] sivang: yeah, download the tarballs, unpack them all, generate a TAGS file with etags, etc. [09:32] Burgundavia: no? [09:33] Keybuk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/08/msg00948.html === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] they have wandered into "lets redo NM territory" [09:33] ouch [09:33] without actually realizing it === RadiantFire [i=4009364d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.jpgclan.com/x-ce98af07ea880dbc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:33] ouch^2 [09:34] it's not a bad thing [09:34] I'll read that thread once I've finished reading my own press ;) [09:35] Keybuk has Press? === sivang raises an eyebrow as well [09:35] Keybuk: you are getting press in UWN, which will be out in a few minutes [09:36] bddebian: several people appear to have picked up the upstart blog entry [09:36] Ah [09:36] including osnews [09:37] Keybuk: would you mind if I explained you a problem I have with suhc a widget, as you might have already solved something like this? [09:37] Must be hell to be popular ;-P [09:37] sivang: I really, really cannot answer without doing the kind of research I recommend that you do yourself [09:38] Keybuk: okay, I understand. thanks for the TAGS tip! [09:38] hmm, nice, I was sure upstart was something from upstream that we took and improved .. [09:39] I mean, that Keybuk took and improved. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] nope [09:39] I did discover later that there was an abandoned 0.0.1 daemontools-alike with that name [09:39] very cool to know it originates by you :-) [09:40] given the lack of development and the author has deliberately abandoned it and decided it was wrong, I decided to not think up a new name === beshy [n=beshy@85.89.197.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Composite by default in xorg-server (ubuntu9) breaks fglrx [09:41] ;] [09:42] Keybuk: no one can blame you :-) [09:42] beshy: welcome to edgy [09:42] <_ion> Let's just fix fglrx, then. After all, we have the source code. [09:43] sorry for stating the obvious then ;/ [09:43] beshy: fglrx hasn't worked for me yet with edgy ;-) [09:43] beshy: so I can't feel the difference [09:43] sivang: that's because the new drivers havent been uploaded ;) [09:43] _ion: there was a new release, that might fix it. But lrm has not been updated yet [09:44] beshy: ah, well, same to me :p [09:44] Burgundavia: I'm using the latest, [09:45] why is it i keep getting from ff and thunderbird that its already running? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] newly installed both [09:48] fixed it i think === eggauah [n=daniel@20845135.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host131-93.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks is now known as ivoks_away === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_away is now known as ivoks === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-84-9-51-34.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc3-blfs4-0-0-cust387.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@85.25.110.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrDaniel [n=daniel@d133227.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [10:44] botox :) [10:46] heh [10:46] the crash detector always reports the same program [10:47] pygi: botox? [10:47] siretart, debian fork of cdrtools :) === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@c-68-32-31-160.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] pygi: I know === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] siretart, I know you know :) === pygi forgot how cdrecord is called :-/ === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] my gnome-panel eats 100% cpu all the time, how do i file a bug? [10:52] for edgy [10:52] pygi: currently wodim, [10:53] until someone comes up with a better name. [10:53] Zomb is still open for suggestions.. [10:53] siretart, right :) === pygi hopes libburn will once be able to replace entire cdrtools [10:54] pygi: it will never be able to fully replace it [10:55] pygi: if you want to try out the current state of libburn, look at cdrskin [10:55] I solved the problem by giving away all my CD-Rs. [10:55] Heh [10:55] siretart, I am upstream, you know :) [10:55] DVDs are just so much more pleasant to work with [10:57] pygi: oh, I didn't know. :) [10:58] pygi: how's libburn coming along lately? [10:58] siretart, very good, very good :) [10:58] good to hear :) [10:58] now, you should never make statements like above that it will never be able to fully replace is :) [10:59] pygi: I should be more verbose about what I meant then. I don't think it is really necessary to support every exotic burning device that cdrecord supports [10:59] anyone got a trick for me to run gdb with an LD_PRELOAD on the target [11:00] pygi: moreover, AFAIK libburn doesn't have a mkisofs equivalent, does it? [11:00] siretart, libisofs [11:01] if you think a command-line client, please look: http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/GenIsoFs [11:01] oh, I should inform myself better. right. [11:02] We lack three most notably features, then things will go better [11:02] looks promising. indeed [11:03] -tao, -multi, and dvd [11:05] siretart, it'll probably take some time until we get those features === sivang dreams about -multi [11:06] sivang, I know, I know ^_^ === martoss [n=martoss@p54961C7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] siretart: when they do get -multi, hubackup will be the first thing to use it :-) [11:06] hi there [11:07] sivang, if you could find some docs about multi-session, that would be great ^_^ [11:09] sivang, I dream of -multi for edgy+1, but I kinda doubt :( [11:10] pygi: can't we just poke the cdrecord code? [11:10] sivang, we can, I don't want to do so [11:12] genisofs and cdrskin should make the transition from cdrecord && mkisofs very easy [11:12] as a middle way to fully using the library itself [11:12] (the above was to siretart :)) === patwack [n=paddy@cpc3-blfs4-0-0-cust387.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] wtf. [11:14]