[12:54] <exobuzz> is the edgy kernel still accepting patches? I have a patch for a network card driver I would like to see in edgy. (It's a one line patch to add support for a PHY which the current driver doesnt recognise - and for phy's it doesnt know it puts them into what seems a rather silly mode causing packet loss)
[01:00] <exobuzz> launchpad confuses me. i added a bug report and it told me 
[01:00] <exobuzz> Thank you for your bug report.
[01:00] <exobuzz> The package linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not published in Ubuntu; the bug was targeted only to the distribution.
[01:01] <exobuzz> does that mean i fsked up ?
[01:01] <LaserJock> not entirely
[01:01] <exobuzz> i wanted to add a bug to the linux kernel binary for edgy
[01:01] <LaserJock> linux-image-2.6.17-1-386 is not a source package
[01:01] <exobuzz> oh
[01:02] <exobuzz> how can i fix this ? rediret the bug. or cant i ?
[01:02] <LaserJock> you can ask #ubuntu-bugs
[01:02] <LaserJock> but yeah
[01:02] <LaserJock> you can fix it
[01:02] <exobuzz> i think ive sorted it
[01:03] <exobuzz> can i change the importance. i didnt see a box to fill out for that
[01:04] <exobuzz> it says importance is "Untriaged" .
[01:04] <geser> importance can only be changed by a member of the ubuntu-qa team
[01:06] <LaserJock> exobuzz: yeah, the ubuntu-qa team will triage it and change the importance
[01:07] <exobuzz> triage.. i need to look that word up :-)
[01:07] <LaserJock> exobuzz: well, make sure the bug has all the info it needs and is confirmed so it's ready for developers to work on
[01:07] <exobuzz> i want to get a patch into the edgy kernel. but the patch is quite new. its not even in 2.6.18 yet.. but its a simple patch that wont break anything..
[01:07] <exobuzz> i might get lucky..
[01:14] <exobuzz> LaserJock: how do i make it confirmed?
[01:14] <exobuzz> oh sorry you mean they do that
[01:14] <exobuzz> my brain is off
[01:14] <exobuzz> ignore me :)
[01:15] <LaserJock> no problem
[01:30] <gnomefreak> what happened to libgtk in edgy?
[03:13] <trappist> Say there's a bug that's been confirmed and has a fixy patch attached to it, that's been languishing in that state for a long time.  What's the appropriate way to get it a little attention?
[03:13] <StevenK> Bug people to fix it?
[03:14] <trappist> well it's been fixed in that there's a patch.  How to know who to bug to apply the patch and upload
[03:14] <StevenK> Is it in universe or main?
[03:15] <trappist> the one I was just looking at is in main.  pan.
[03:15] <trappist> in universe I assign it to motu-reviewers
[03:17] <sistpoty> trappist: you could try to assign it to ubuntu-main-sponsors
[03:18] <sistpoty> (or subscribe that team to the bug if it has a good assignee already)
[03:18] <trappist> it's not assigned, I'll do that
[03:18] <trappist> thanks
[03:18] <sistpoty> np
[03:19] <trappist> while I'm here - it seems the only thing I can't do to a bug is triage it - am I missing something, or do I need to be a member of some group to do that?
[03:20] <sistpoty> trappist: I don't think so
[03:21] <sistpoty> trappist: have you tried clicking on the package name (directly under affects)?
[03:22] <trappist> yeah, there's a plaintext (no href) "importance"
[03:23] <Hobbsee> trappist: you have to be in the ubuntu-qa group to change that
[03:23] <Hobbsee> trappist: it got abused too much
[03:23] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: ah thanks... didn't know that yet ;)
[03:23] <trappist> Hobbsee: that seems strange, if I can declare a bug fixed, reject it, subscribe people to it, etc., all ripe for abuse.  but I can see how everybody would want to mark their own wishlist bugs 'critical'
[03:23] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: you wouldnt - dev and core dev are automatically a part of -qa
[03:24] <Hobbsee> trappist: true that.  you cant stop everything.
[03:24] <trappist> Hobbsee: how does somebody get into -qa, then
[03:24] <Hobbsee> trappist: actually, there were a whole lot of bugs getting marked as critical that werent
[03:24] <Hobbsee> trappist: see #ubuntu-bugs - the topic
[03:24] <trappist> yeah it's inevitable if it's wide open
[03:24] <trappist> thanks
[03:25] <LaserJock> I think you have to be in the ubuntu-qa team or something similar
[03:26] <trappist> LaserJock: heh yea we just covered that :)
[03:26] <LaserJock> trappist: sorry, had huge lag
[03:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: read 6 lines up :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:27] <trappist> as useful as triaging is, and as easy as it is (or can be), maybe it'd be better to just blacklist abusers
[03:27] <trappist> than to put up this barrier to entry
[03:27] <LaserJock> it's not much of a barrier
[03:27] <StevenK> It takes more time to clean up and blacklist people, than to do what is currently done.
[03:28] <trappist> LaserJock: maybe - I'll let you know how long before my application gets reviewed :)
[03:28] <trappist> StevenK: definitely, but I suspect we lose a lot of triagers
[03:29] <trappist> I've probably gone through 500 bugs wondering why I couldn't triage before I thought to ask
[03:29] <LaserJock> well, triagers really do need to be integrated with the bug squad et al.
[03:30] <trappist> also, it would probably cut way down on abuse if reporters were just prevented from triaging their own bugs
[03:30] <LaserJock> it isn't so much to prevent abuse, IMO, as it is to organize effort
[03:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: point.
[03:33] <trappist> I'd even be happy with maybe a hyperlinked question mark next to the plaintext importance, pointing to something that answers some of these questions
[03:35] <Hobbsee> trappist: perhaps suggest that on #launchpad ?  that's a good idea
[03:35] <trappist> oh yeah, will do
[03:36] <trappist> actually I think I'll file a bug on malone
[03:36] <trappist> I'd make it a wishlist bug, but you know ;)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure that the reporter is really supposed to be the one to change the importance
[03:38] <trappist> LaserJock: I agree, except when I know my bug is a wishlist item
[03:38] <LaserJock> yeah, that I can see
[03:38] <Hobbsee> trappist: true, i've asked for a checkbox for "wishlist"
[03:39] <trappist> I shouldn't be able to change "group searching in pan should be case-insensitive" to critical
[03:39] <trappist> Hobbsee: that's a good one
[03:39] <trappist> that's a darn good one
[03:39] <LaserJock> hmm, but what if it really is important but the reporter doesn't know it? :-)
[03:40] <trappist> that's a good point.  'wishlist' could easily be misunderstood to mean 'I wish this would get fixed'
[03:40] <trappist> and then it could easily get overlooked
[03:40] <LaserJock> I mean the idea is that you start out with a "virgin" bug that nobody else has seen
[03:41] <LaserJock> and then somebody else with the necessary knowledge comes around
[03:41] <LaserJock> and determines what it should be
[03:41] <trappist> triages, confirms, etc.
[03:42] <trappist> which brings up - why is it possible for me to confirm my own bugs? (just tested that)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:46] <Hobbsee> it's useful
[03:46] <trappist> doesn't it defeat the purpose?
[03:47] <trappist> if no one else can duplicate it, shouldn't it stay unconfirmed?
[03:49] <LaserJock> yes
[03:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:53] <Hobbsee> trappist: it's probably for the case of "i have got this, i've seen about 5 other people on irc who have this, this is clearly confirmed"
[03:53] <Hobbsee> trappist: if the other people dont have a LP account or something
[03:57] <trappist> that's a decent point too.  my bug's in, I'll leave it to the launchpad folks to weigh the pros and cons :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> basically, i'ts common sense
[04:00] <Hobbsee> and of course, the "make a bugtracker foolproof, and only fools will want to use it"
[04:00] <desrt> there are a lot of fools, too
[04:01] <trappist> fool-resistance is a good goal
[04:01] <desrt> yr too wet to light matches
[04:06] <sistpoty> ping infinity: can you help with bootstrapping fpc? (lp bug #2253)... if you need more info, please add this to the bug or mail me at sistpoty@ubuntu.com (not sure if I'll be around on irc during the next days)
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2253 in fpc "fpc needs bootstrapping on buildds" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2253
[11:32] <siretart> jamesh: where can I find the latest version of python.m4? it seems that you have worked on this at some point..
[11:36] <jamesh> siretart: in the latest version of automake?
[11:38] <lucas__> is wiki.ubuntu.com down ? it refuses connections to ports 80 and 443
[11:38] <mdke> yes
[11:38] <lucas__> ok
[11:38] <siretart> jamesh: oh. I see. I'm working on a package where upstream seems to ship a broken version of python.m4
[01:54] <shawarma> Keybuk: Do you just want bug reports on upstart or do you also want to know if it worked like it should?
[01:54] <Keybuk> shawarma: bug reports please
[01:55] <Keybuk> though if it worked properly, it does't need one :)
[01:55] <shawarma> Right. :-)
[01:55] <Keybuk> did it?
[01:55] <shawarma> you jus tsaid you didn't want to know.. :-)
[01:55] <Keybuk> I'd still like to know
[01:55] <jdub> Keybuk: is there a simple way of installing base system only? i can think of expert install and preseed/kickstart - anything more... immediate?
[01:56] <Keybuk> jdub: server on the alternate
[01:56] <shawarma> server install is pretty basic.
[01:56] <jdub> Keybuk: that's ubuntu-minimal rather than base
[01:57] <LarstiQ> debootstrap?
[01:57] <shawarma> Keybuk: Jokes aside, upstart seems to work just fine. 
[01:57] <Keybuk> jdub: there is no base
[01:57] <Keybuk> jdub: what do you mean by "base" /
[01:57] <jdub> Keybuk: debian sense
[01:58] <Keybuk> jdub: debootstrap?
[01:58] <sivang> Keybuk: when are you planning to make it part of edgy ?
[01:58] <jdub> Keybuk: about as much mucking around as expert, only manual :)
[02:01] <Keybuk> sivang: next week or two
[02:02] <StevenK> Keybuk: Is the code brutal, given it's a replacement for init and inetd?
[02:02] <jdub> Keybuk: got plans for pimping cross-distro adoption?
[02:02] <sivang> Keybuk: cool
[02:03] <azeem> did any of the other major distribution switch to some next-gen ini system?
[02:05] <jdub> don't think so
[02:05] <_ion> stevenk: Define brutal. :-)
[02:05] <Seveas> urgh -- wiki is back up but saving pages gives nice cgitb tracebacks :/
[02:05] <Keybuk> StevenK: "brutal" ?
[02:05] <Keybuk> StevenK: it's only 8K larger than the existing init
[02:05] <StevenK> Umm. Looks incredibly evil.
[02:06] <Keybuk> azeem: interest from other distros in upstart is high
[02:06] <azeem> cool
[02:06] <Seveas> Keybuk, I'm not surprised that people are interested, sysvinit just isn't adequate anymore
[02:07] <azeem> Keybuk: the Hurd people found out they don't have WNOWAIT, btw :)
[02:07] <imbrandon> anyone got time to sponsor a quick debdiff for main for a lowly MOTU heheh ?
[02:09] <imbrandon> wow that killed the room
[02:10] <jdub> apparently a base install (via expert, skipping package bits) includes ubuntu-minimal anyway
[02:11] <imbrandon> moins jdub
[02:12] <Keybuk> azeem: *shrug* who cares about the hurd?
[02:13] <imbrandon> jdub / Keybuk: hey i was gonna hack at some of the layout/css for planet.u.c but its obviously not in the bzr tree , anyway i could snag a copy ( i wanted to see about combineing post from the same person in the same day in a single bubble , if that make sense )
[02:15] <Keybuk> imbrandon: I don't have it
[02:15] <imbrandon> k
[02:22] <lastnode_> imbrandon, any news on the bzr repo? we got a sf svn account btw
[02:23] <imbrandon> if you have it in svn i can have it sync to LP's bzr , i'll pop in the chan later today and help you sync it
[02:35] <Lure> Keybuk: upstart booted my Kubuntu nw8240 laptop nicely, shutdown/reboot is fast (if initctl is used), does not work from KDE menu (which is probably exepcted)
[02:35] <Lure> Keybuk: nice work - I am really happy that somebody started to address init problem
[02:35] <Treenaks> Lure: nw8240 -- what resolution? :)
[02:35] <Lure> Treenaks: 1920x1200
[02:36] <Treenaks> Lure: and: working with ati or fglrx?
[02:36] <Lure> Treenaks: ati (fglrx on dapper)
[02:36] <Treenaks> because my nw8240 + 1920x1200 + ati still breaks
[02:36] <Lure> Treenaks: in what sense? It only needs MonitorLayout option here...
[02:37] <Treenaks> Lure: in 'distorted screen' sense
[02:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: see Keybuk blog
[02:37] <Treenaks> Lure: I get a weird distorted wobbly screen
[02:37] <Treenaks> Lure: (videos available, let me see where I put them..)
[02:37] <Lure> Treenaks: interesting... it has to be some bios/fw issue then... I have read other reports (from offical canonical sponsored tester)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ooh...found it :)
[02:38] <Keybuk> Lure: I think the fact shutdown is fast is a bug ;)
[02:38] <Treenaks> Lure: I got this nw8240 from Canonical..
[02:38] <Seveas> Hobbsee, upstart is keybuks plan to take over the world
[02:38] <Treenaks> Lure: and it's not the bios, that's at the latest version :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yes.   i wish him luck.
[02:38] <Treenaks> Lure: anyway, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/20283 has theora files showing the crap :)
[02:38] <Lure> Treenaks: ok, so it is you that guy... ;-)
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[fgl v5000]  really bad sync" [Medium,Needs info]  
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: isnt that my job though, to take over the world?
[02:39] <zul> Hobbsee: no its mine
[02:39] <Hobbsee> zul: nooo!  it cant be yours!
[02:39] <zul> its always be mine
[02:40] <Lure> Treenaks: not sure what can be wrong - maybe yours is older/newer and there is some HW/FW bug...
[02:43] <Treenaks> Lure: might be
[02:43] <Treenaks> Lure: though it's weird that it works with 'official' ATI drivers :)
[02:45] <Lure> Keybuk: when is the plan to have upstart scripts for rcS?
[02:46] <Lure> s/tis/is/
[02:49] <Keybuk> Lure: next couple of weeks
[02:50] <Lure> Keybuk: so Knot2 will not use upstart yet?
[02:50] <Keybuk> Lure: will see, it might be worth doing as an experiment
[02:50] <Keybuk> with just running the current scripts
[03:18] <Treenaks> Lure: there are lots of types of NW8240, it seems.. what's your "part number"? (it's next to the serial number on the bottom of the laptop; mine is PG818ET)
[03:22] <Lure> Treenaks: PY442EA#ABB - http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/default.aspx?status=obsolete&segment=sm&country=uk&lang=en&pn=Mobile%20Products/HP%20Compaq%20nw8240%20Mobile%20Workstation/PY442EA
[03:23] <Treenaks> Lure: that might account for the difference in workingness
[03:27] <Lure> Treenaks: most probably - there was another guy who did not have any problems with nw8240 - suspend to RAM/hibernate worked out of box, while mine has started to work after several improvements done in acpi-support
[03:28] <Treenaks> Mine still has some wifi trouble
[03:28] <Treenaks> after returning from sleep
[03:28] <Lure> Treenaks: I still have problems with ati on lid close/undock: bug 40808
[03:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "open lid -> wrong resolution" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40808
[03:28] <Lure> Treenaks: wifi works from day 1 for me...
[03:30] <Treenaks> Lure: wifi works, but not after coming back from suspend/hibernate
[03:31] <Lure> Treenaks: here wifi gets even reconnected (by knetworkmanager) after suspend/hibernate
[03:34] <Treenaks> Lure: hm.. I might need to re-test then :)
[03:34] <Treenaks> I might have done something wrong myself :)
[03:50] <shawarma> hmm... I wonder how long I should wait before I can assume that my shipit shipment has gone missing.. shipit says they were sent to shipping company on June 7th. they're not here yet. :-/
[03:54] <infinity> shawarma: After your conduct in Paris, we cancelled your order.
[03:55] <shawarma> infinity: looks who's talking. :-)
[03:55] <infinity> shawarma: What?  I didn't make any developers vomit. :P
[03:56] <shawarma> infinity: Oh.. Good point.
[03:56] <shawarma> infinity: Yup, the score: shawarma vs. ubuntu-core-dev: 2-0. 
[03:57] <infinity> shawarma: You nailed two of us?  You we're responsible for Colin, were you?
[03:57] <shawarma> infinity: Well...
[03:58] <shawarma> infinity: I can't take ALL the credit/blame.
[03:59] <shawarma> infinity: But I must say I figured that one out pretty well. sitting in the front-most backseat on that ride is the cleverest thing I ever did. :-)
[04:00] <lastnode> infinity, i bugged you a few weeks back about a log report tool. wonder if you remember me :)
[04:00] <shawarma> infinity: I wouldn't have minded being awake to witness it all, though.
[04:03] <infinity> lastnode: I do.  Would you hate me if I asked you to bug me on a work day? :)
[04:03] <infinity> lastnode: Other than random chatter about vomit, I prefer not to think about Ubuntu on weekends.
[04:03] <lastnode> infinity, yeah im sorry. :) i made this weekend last weekend too. :\ ill bug you tomorrow dude. thanks.
[04:03] <shawarma> Yeah. Sundays really should be reserved for drinking stories.
[04:03] <shawarma> it IS sunday, isn't it?
[04:04] <infinity> shawarma: Well, it's Monday here, but only by 4 minutes.
[04:04] <lastnode> infinity, if ubuntu was my dayjob, id probably not want to think about it on weekends either. :)
[04:04] <lastnode> it's Monday? are you in Japan?
[04:04] <infinity> lastnode: Australia.
[04:04] <shawarma> infinity: So it IS a work day for you.
[04:04] <lastnode> oh right
[04:04] <zul> infinity: what do you mean you not always working?
[04:04] <infinity> shawarma: Not until I've slept. :P
[04:05] <infinity> zul: I only work 90 hours per week, the rest I reserve for myself. :P
[04:05] <shawarma> infinity: Clever. How long does your average sunday last? Until wednesday?
[04:05] <zul> infinity: hehe
[04:05] <infinity> shawarma: I wish. :)
[04:06] <infinity> shawarma: I wonder how mdz would like it if I changed my core hours to "a 40-hour block, starting Wednesday morning", and then took the rest of the week off.
[04:06] <infinity> It's more or less how I work anyway, except that I then end up having to be around for the other days too.
[04:06] <zul> i bet he would love it
[04:06] <shawarma> infinity: I just bought an espresso maker thing. I've hardly slept ever since.
[04:07] <shawarma> infinity: I bet that thing could bring some looooong sundays with it.
[04:15] <bddebian> Morning
[05:52] <linuxboy> I'm having issues with nautilus crashing. #ubuntu doesn't have the people to help, can you help?
[05:52] <linuxboy>  5450 adrian    25   0  331m 288m  11m R 80.2 57.4   7:04.52 nautilus
[05:52] <linuxboy> i can make it eat all my ram and make my pc unusable
[06:06] <mrDaniel> I am not sure if this is a bug: under windows I can adjust the sound-volumen with Fn+left (turn down) and Fn+right (louder). Under ubuntu this shourtcuts work too (what's great), but the are 'linked' with the wrong volume-control (Headphones). do anyone know who set this 'link' to another volume-control (PCM) ???
[06:08] <sivang> has anyone else seen that google is no longer in ubuntu's firefox quick search ?
[06:09] <sivang> I get all sorts of weird search engines..
[06:09] <sivang> but not google itself
[06:09] <mrDaniel> @sivang: search-engines can easily be added
[06:09] <mrDaniel> just click on 'add engines'
[06:11] <sivang> mrDaniel: did that , for some reason google is not htere
[06:12] <mrDaniel> that cannot be
[06:12] <sivang> mrDaniel: https://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php , can you spot google there?
[06:12] <mrDaniel> just 5 min
[06:14] <linuxboy> anybody know about my problem/bug?
[06:16] <exobuzz> linuxboy: post a bug on launchpad perhaps with steps to reproduce ?|
[06:17] <linuxboy> exobuzz: it seems that it is only for one user. and I have no idea how to reproduce
[06:17] <linuxboy> exobuzz: I'll remove my config files and leave it
[06:18] <linuxboy> exobuzz: any idea where it stores its config files?
[06:18] <exobuzz> last last update google made on it's search engine core really sucks anyway. for example "link:mydomain" now comes up with 19 results. even though you can do a "contains" search which shows that at least a few hundred sites link to me.
[06:20] <exobuzz> sorry. that was off topic. it just came out. :)
[07:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59: you uploaded an xorg with composting enabled by default no?
[07:15] <sladen> Burgundavia: it was talked about in Germany
[07:16] <_ion> compost, n. A mixture of decaying organic matter, as from leaves and manure, used to improve soil structure and provide nutrients.
[07:16] <Burgundavia> _ion: right. I just woke up ;)
[07:16] <Burgundavia> sladen, writing something for UWN
[07:26] <zyga> is keybuk around on weekends?
[07:27] <sladen> zyga: no, he's sitting in the garden drinking beer with his dog, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian! 
[07:28] <zyga> ;-)
[07:29] <sivang> sladen: seems like you're in the Debian UK BBQ ? ;-)
[07:30] <sladen> sivang: score!
[07:30] <sivang> hehe
[07:32] <sladen> Burgundavia: in fact, mjg59 is sitting in the garden, dossing on IRC and talking about Debian too.  I think he was next to keybuk the last time I looked
[07:32] <Burgundavia> sladen: right. Which garden is this?
[07:35] <sladen> Burgundavia: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006
[07:36] <Burgundavia> right, slackers ;)
[07:37] <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.17-6-686 |  Dual Pentium III (Katmai) 549.155 MHz | Bogomips: 2198.15 | Mem: 553/757M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 26.48G Free: 10.98G | Procs: 103 | Uptime: 5 days 3 hrs 19 mins 46 secs | Load: 0.61 0.43 0.34  | Screen: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva]  AGP (rev 02) @ 1152x864 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 381.61M Out: 169.04M 
[07:38] <sladen> quail: please don't do that here
[07:39] <quail> sladen: blah
[07:39] <sladen> quail: this is the Ubuntu development channel.
[07:40] <quail> sladen: oops sorry wrong channel
[07:41] <exobuzz> Sysinfo: Commodore 64, 64kb Ram, VIC II, 6581 SID, etc :)
[07:41] <zyga> heh ;] 
[07:41] <quail> sladen: sorry i thought i was in another ubuntu channel
[07:42] <Mez> what ? just because I joined ?
[07:42] <exobuzz> when I die, I want my life's worth of knowledge and experience transferred into my c64. And with luck, there will be 16kb free for a game.
[07:42] <sladen> Mez: nope,
[07:42] <quail> ehhe
[07:42] <Mez> evening sladen
[08:58] <kagou> hi
[09:17] <Keybuk> I appear to have broken madduck :)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: physically or mentally?
[09:18] <Keybuk> physically
[09:18] <Keybuk> sadly
[09:18] <Keybuk> uh
[09:18] <Keybuk> I mean MENTALLY
[09:18] <Keybuk> oops
[09:18] <bddebian> hehe
[09:19] <Keybuk> it turns out that upstart, to be uploaded to Debian, needs to depend on the experimental libc
[09:19] <Nafallo> lol
[09:22] <zul> oops
[09:25] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: well, breaking two distros is better than breaking one
[09:25] <Keybuk> three
[09:26] <Burgundavia> three?
[09:26] <Keybuk> Fedora appear to be at least interested
[09:26] <Burgundavia> nice
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: has Novell/Suse even returned your emails?
[09:28] <Keybuk> it's a little odd actually, everyone's pouncing in a "can you give me an example of an event.d file for a cron script?" kind of way
[09:28] <Keybuk> and I'm having to do the "whoah! released early, not complete"
[09:29] <sivang> Keybuk: do you have any idea about GtkComboBoxes ?
[09:29] <Keybuk> sivang: no
[09:30] <sivang> Keybuk: okay. I recall you did some gtk programming once , though ;-)
[09:30] <Keybuk> yeah, but I don't have any idea about it
[09:30] <Keybuk> I can do it quite successfully
[09:30] <Keybuk> but I just keep a TAGS file around with references to the complete gnome desktop and platform source
[09:31] <Keybuk> and whenever I want to know anything, I either find the widget, or an app that uses it
[09:31] <sivang> Keybuk: TAGS ?
[09:31] <sivang> okay, I need to find an app that uses GtkCOmboBOx in a customized way, that is using non default CellRenderes
[09:31] <sivang> Keybuk: can you please help? ;-) ^^
[09:32] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: you seen the thread on debian-devel about ifupdown rethink?
[09:32] <Keybuk> sivang: yeah, download the tarballs, unpack them all, generate a TAGS file with etags, etc.
[09:32] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: no?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/08/msg00948.html
[09:33] <Burgundavia> they have wandered into "lets redo NM territory"
[09:33] <sivang> ouch
[09:33] <Burgundavia> without actually realizing it
[09:33] <sivang> ouch^2
[09:34] <Keybuk> it's not a bad thing
[09:34] <Keybuk> I'll read that thread once I've finished reading my own press ;)
[09:35] <bddebian> Keybuk has Press?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Keybuk: you are getting press in UWN, which will be out in a few minutes
[09:36] <Keybuk> bddebian: several people appear to have picked up the upstart blog entry
[09:36] <bddebian> Ah
[09:36] <Burgundavia> including osnews
[09:37] <sivang> Keybuk: would you mind if I explained you a problem I have with suhc a widget, as you might have already solved something like this?
[09:37] <bddebian> Must be hell to be popular ;-P
[09:37] <Keybuk> sivang: I really, really cannot answer without doing the kind of research I recommend that you do yourself
[09:38] <sivang> Keybuk: okay, I understand. thanks for the TAGS tip!
[09:38] <sivang> hmm, nice, I was sure upstart was something from upstream that we took and improved ..
[09:39] <sivang> I mean, that Keybuk took and improved.
[09:39] <Keybuk> nope
[09:39] <Keybuk> I did discover later that there was an abandoned 0.0.1 daemontools-alike with that name
[09:39] <sivang> very cool to know it originates by you :-)
[09:40] <Keybuk> given the lack of development and the author has deliberately abandoned it and decided it was wrong, I decided to not think up a new name
[09:41] <beshy> Composite by default in xorg-server (ubuntu9) breaks fglrx
[09:41] <beshy> ;] 
[09:42] <sivang> Keybuk: no one can blame you :-)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> beshy: welcome to edgy
[09:42] <_ion> Let's just fix fglrx, then. After all, we have the source code. </sarcasm>
[09:43] <beshy> sorry for stating the obvious then ;/
[09:43] <sivang> beshy: fglrx hasn't worked for me yet with edgy ;-)
[09:43] <sivang> beshy: so I can't feel the difference 
[09:43] <beshy> sivang: that's because the new drivers havent been uploaded ;)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> _ion: there was a new release, that might fix it. But lrm has not been updated yet
[09:44] <sivang> beshy: ah, well, same to me :p
[09:44] <beshy> Burgundavia: I'm using the latest, 
[09:45] <gnomefreak> why is it i keep getting from ff and thunderbird that its already running?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> newly installed both
[09:48] <gnomefreak> fixed it i think
[10:44] <pygi> botox :)
[10:46] <bluefoxicy> heh
[10:46] <bluefoxicy> the crash detector always reports the same program
[10:47] <siretart> pygi: botox?
[10:47] <pygi> siretart, debian fork of cdrtools :)
[10:48] <siretart> pygi: I know
[10:49] <pygi> siretart, I know you know :)
[10:52] <OddAbe19> my gnome-panel eats 100% cpu all the time, how do i file a bug?
[10:52] <OddAbe19> for edgy
[10:52] <siretart> pygi: currently wodim, 
[10:53] <siretart> until someone comes up with a better name. 
[10:53] <siretart> Zomb is still open for suggestions..
[10:53] <pygi> siretart, right :)
[10:54] <siretart> pygi: it will never be able to fully replace it
[10:55] <siretart> pygi: if you want to try out the current state of libburn, look at cdrskin
[10:55] <Mithrandir> I solved the problem by giving away all my CD-Rs.
[10:55] <bddebian> Heh
[10:55] <pygi> siretart, I am upstream, you know :)
[10:55] <Mithrandir> DVDs are just so much more pleasant to work with
[10:57] <siretart> pygi: oh, I didn't know. :) 
[10:58] <siretart> pygi: how's libburn coming along lately?
[10:58] <pygi> siretart, very good, very good :)
[10:58] <siretart> good to hear :)
[10:58] <pygi> now, you should never make statements like above that it will never be able to fully replace is :)
[10:59] <siretart> pygi: I should be more verbose about what I meant then. I don't think it is really necessary to support every exotic burning device that cdrecord supports
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> anyone got a trick for me to run gdb with an LD_PRELOAD on the target
[11:00] <siretart> pygi: moreover, AFAIK libburn doesn't have a mkisofs equivalent, does it?
[11:00] <pygi> siretart, libisofs
[11:01] <pygi> if you think a command-line client, please look: http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/GenIsoFs
[11:01] <siretart> oh, I should inform myself better. right.
[11:02] <pygi> We lack three most notably features, then things will go better
[11:02] <siretart> looks promising. indeed
[11:03] <pygi> -tao, -multi, and dvd
[11:05] <pygi> siretart, it'll probably take some time until we get those features
[11:06] <pygi> sivang, I know, I know ^_^
[11:06] <sivang> siretart: when they do get -multi, hubackup will be the first thing to use it :-)
[11:06] <martoss> hi there
[11:07] <pygi> sivang, if you could find some docs about multi-session, that would be great ^_^
[11:09] <pygi> sivang, I dream of -multi for edgy+1, but I kinda doubt :(
[11:10] <sivang> pygi: can't we just poke the cdrecord code?
[11:10] <pygi> sivang, we can, I don't want to do so
[11:12] <pygi> genisofs and cdrskin should make the transition from cdrecord && mkisofs very easy
[11:12] <pygi> as a middle way to fully using the library itself
[11:12] <pygi> (the above was to siretart :))
[11:13] <bluefoxicy> wtf.
[11:14] <siretart> pygi: since botox will remain GPL (and only GPL), I don't see legal problems in looking at the botox source
[11:14] <beshy> OddAbe19: it seems to be gam_server puking... a killall gam_server "fixes" it for me
[11:14] <pygi> siretart, no legal problems, but the code is in state of mess....mkisofs code is almost unreadable...cdrecord is a bit better but still in mess...
[11:15] <OddAbe19> beshy, no process killed
[11:15] <OddAbe19> i also don't have debian.menu based off of Bug #52405
[11:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52405 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel eats 50% cpu for half an hour and flickers" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52405
[11:16] <siretart> pygi: yes, I poked at the code.. 
[11:16] <siretart> it looks really.. portable...
[11:16] <siretart> sort of
[11:16] <pygi> hm, portable in what sense?
[11:16] <siretart> in JS sense
[11:17] <pygi> enlight me with what "JS" means :)
[11:17] <sivang> pygi: I solved it! It was a glade stupidity!
[11:17] <siretart> pygi: JS == joerg schilling
[11:18] <pygi> siretart, ah, right :)
[11:18] <bluefoxicy> uh
[11:18] <bluefoxicy> ok
[11:18] <pygi> sivang, I don't want to have any code or even get inspired from it if it's from cdrecord or mkisofs
[11:18] <pygi> siretart, *
[11:19] <pygi> even if that means I'll spend more time on getting things work properly and getting new features in
[11:19] <pygi> libburn is advancing at rapid state
[11:19] <pygi> for now, at least
[11:19] <pygi> we've got entire libisofs rewrite for example, 5k lines down to 3k lines
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> someone take a look at this.
[11:19] <pygi> much simpler and more efficient api :)
[11:19] <sivang> pygi: is it some license issues with the code in cdrecord ?
[11:20] <pygi> siretart, no, not licences (now that we have botox), it's just that the code is mess, real mess
[11:20] <pygi> sivang, *
[11:20] <pygi> ergh, I started mixing!
[11:22] <sivang> pygi: what is botox ?
[11:23] <pygi> sivang, debian fork of cdrtools
[11:24] <siretart> sivang: svn co svn://svn.debian.org/debburn/nonameyet/trunk
[11:24] <bluefoxicy> nah, this has got to be my code
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> I don't see set_selinuxmnt() even allocating anything
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kg4CWU34.html
[11:25] <pygi> siretart, I think such a thing will be very hard to maintain unless all distros form a team to coordinate one unified fork
[11:26] <siretart> pygi: it is meant as a interim solution until libburn and friends become more mature, AFAIUI
[11:26] <pygi> siretart, I know :)
[11:27] <pygi> siretart, somebody gimme more development powers then :)
[11:27] <sivang> pygi, siretart : ah , I recall now pygi told me about it. Very cool
[11:28] <pygi> sivang, btw. there'll be python extension, there's already some work done on libburn ^_^
[11:28] <pygi> for libisofs will be later
[11:30] <pygi> but I've surely told you this before
[11:33] <sivang> pygi: I think so :)
[11:33] <pygi> sivang, pm btw. :P
[12:07] <Kamion> slomo,ajmitch: so ... what are we going to swap out of desktop to make room for the 6MB or so used by mono (due only to tomboy and f-spot)?