[02:53] <stefan> hi folks
[02:55] <sistpoty> gee new version of kvirc reset my settings *g*
[02:59] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty!!
[02:59] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[02:59] <LaserJock> how are you? I haven't seen you for a while
[03:00] <sistpoty> thanks, I'm fine... have been on holidays for a week and before I was quite busy :/
[03:01] <LaserJock> ah
[03:06] <welshbyte> ello Hobbsee
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hey welshbyte
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hey everyone else
[03:08] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty
[03:17] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> aye i'm so bored.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> fix some bugs.
[03:25] <sistpoty> :)
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> heh
[03:26] <LaserJock> oh excelent
[03:26] <LaserJock> KDE just decided to hibernate me
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> haha
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> YOU ARE TOO FAT YOU NEED SLEEP Z.Z
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> ALL WINTER.
[03:26] <StevenK> Hah. Winter is over here.
[03:26] <LaserJock> yes, well it's a bit annoying
[03:27] <LaserJock> I really am trying to like KDE, but it isn't going as well as I had hoped
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> LJ I feel your pain
[03:28] <bluefoxicy> Wait..... no, no I don't.  I tried KDE but I realized that was a dumb idea.
[03:28] <LaserJock> it has very nice aspects
[03:29] <LaserJock> but it sorta seems clunky after using gnome for some time
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> what I had was I liked it
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> and then after a week I started getting physically ill at the ugly interface
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> and noticing that I had to log out/in every 3 days to get back out of swap (I was 600 megs in, and had 768 megs of physical ram besides)
[03:30] <bluefoxicy> eventually I just gave up
[03:30] <bluefoxicy> of course, this is coming from someone who determined it would be a more productive use of his time to complain about GNOME + apps eating 400M of RAM than to complain about KDE + apps eating 1300 megs of ram
[03:31] <bluefoxicy> so I may be biased.
[03:31] <LaserJock> heh
[03:31] <LaserJock> well KDE sure does have some nice apps
[03:32] <LaserJock> I think I'm just going to have to give it more time and learn how to use it right
[03:32] <bluefoxicy> I got tired of Konq fast and moved back to Firefox; never really left Thunderbird; hated Koffice (I had just gotten my office specialist and word expert certs, I was MUCH more comfortable with abiword and gnumeric than kword and kspread)
[03:33] <sistpoty> well, rat-poison seems nice ;)... but I didn't memorize the key-codes, so I didn't really get used to it (if anybody ever will *g*)
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> honestly I don't know what people see in KDE
[03:33] <LaserJock> yes, well. All window managers suck, some just suck less ;-)
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> whenever I ask GNOME people, they tell me, "KDE sucks"
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> and whenever I ask KDE people, they tell me "It's MUCH better than GNOME"
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> between these two common responses I haven't gotten a lot of useful data.
[03:34] <LaserJock> like I said, I like the apps and kio stuff. I like kwrite, konsole and there are quite a few KDE apps for things I do that are pretty good
[03:34] <bluefoxicy> konsole is nice because it has one extra button
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> (which makes new terminals)
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> that's the only thing i like about it over gnome-terminal
[03:35] <sistpoty> ctrl-alt-n :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> heh, I actually don't like the button so much. I would rather have a shortcut
[03:35] <welshbyte> or ctrl-alt-t for a new tab ;)
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> yeah, I use the shortcut
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> ctrl-shift-t btw
[03:36] <welshbyte> oh yeah :)
[03:36] <LaserJock> but I like how configurable konsole is though
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> ........... it's a terminal editor
[03:36] <welshbyte> i just mash keys without looking and they works, y'see
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> you type shit in it
[03:37] <bluefoxicy> in mine I made the background black like a REAL tty
[03:37] <welshbyte> grey on black ftw :)
[03:37] <sistpoty> well, I must admit that I prefer kde because of 1) I found out how to assign keys to launch konsole 2) I use kmail as only mail-client for some time 3) and most important: I'm used to itt
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, if I'm going to work in the thing for 12hrs straight every day I'd like to be able to mess around with it ;-)
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> haha
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> "OK I'm bored of work time to fiddle with the options for a half hour"
[03:38] <LaserJock> well, not so much that as eye strain, etc.
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> ok I'm bored, anyone not mind being tortured for a few hours?
[03:44] <bluefoxicy> no, really, I'll warm the hot iron pokers.
[03:45] <LaserJock> ggrrrrrr
[03:45] <LaserJock> it hibernated again
[03:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: um, how?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you low on battery power or something?
[03:45] <LaserJock> no
[03:45] <Hobbsee> KDE doesnt just hibernate at random.
[03:45] <LaserJock> I'm plugged in and have 92%
[03:45] <Hobbsee> unless it's on crack.
[03:46] <LaserJock> I'll be in the middle of typing
[03:46] <LaserJock> and it just hibernates
[03:47] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, you running GNOME at the same time?
[03:47] <LaserJock> no
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Because that often happens to me if I'm running both...
[03:48] <LaserJock> the only thing I can see is if it thinks I'm running out of battery
[03:49] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure what to do. Maybe I'll just turn off the low power thing
[03:50] <LaserJock> hmm, actually I don't think that's it
[03:50] <LaserJock> because it should notify me
[03:54] <Fujitsu> This /is/ KDE :P
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Not again!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hah.  doesnt work
[03:55] <Fujitsu> It does, believe me.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: should, yes.  is this edgy or dapper?
[04:09] <LaserJock> dapper
[04:09] <LaserJock> sorry, was trying to make some dinner
[04:30] <LaserJock> darn it, it did it again
[04:30] <LaserJock> :(
[04:31] <LaserJock> anybody have an idea of even where to look?
[04:33] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ask on #kde?
[04:38] <sistpoty> LaserJock: maybe on #kde-devel might even be more appropriated *g*
[04:40] <stefan> yay, I finally managed to kick me off from irc with some /s command (I wanted to write s/ instead) *g*
[04:43] <LaserJock> ok, last try
[04:43] <LaserJock> I've disabled everythin I can see with hibernate
[04:43] <LaserJock> :-)
[04:44] <sistpoty> LaserJock: good luck ;)
[04:44] <LaserJock> if that fails then I think I'll have to switch over to the dark side until I figure it out
[04:44] <sistpoty> LaserJock: dark side: suse?
[04:45] <LaserJock> heh, Gnome
[04:45] <sistpoty> *g*
[04:45] <LaserJock> suse is more than the dark side
[04:45] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:45] <bddebian> heh
[04:45] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yeah.
[04:45] <sistpoty> hi bddebian btw
[04:45] <LaserJock> perhaps a sith lord or something
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, sistpoty, Fujitsu
[04:45] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[04:46] <LaserJock> I actually haven't used another distro since I installed Ubuntu
[04:46] <LaserJock> that's over a year now
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Great :D
[04:46] <LaserJock> I can't believe it
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Neither have I, and it's been 18 months.
[04:46] <LaserJock> I used to average an install every 2 weeks
[04:47] <sistpoty> if XP is a dsitro, than I'm more than guilty :(... but I need the money ;)
[04:47] <Fujitsu> O_o
[04:47] <LaserJock> ah, well I use XP and OS X everyday so ...
[04:47] <LaserJock> ?
[04:48] <LaserJock> don't do that
[04:48] <LaserJock> IRC CPR isn't very effective ;-)
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Probably not...
[04:49] <Fujitsu> But XP.. and..... OS X.........................................
[04:49] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:50] <tseng> keybuk has lost his mind
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Why, tseng?
[04:50] <tseng> Fujitsu: upstart
[04:50] <tseng> it might even work
[04:50] <Fujitsu> I doubt it...
[04:50] <tseng> I said might
[04:50] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I actually enjoy OS X quite a bit
[04:51] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[04:51] <Fujitsu> It's not too bad... At least it's UNIX-based, I guess.
[04:51] <LaserJock> not that I'd go out and buy it
[04:51] <bddebian> Well Windows/XP is VMS based so.. ;-P
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Yeah, upstart is a really good idea, and it'll hopefully work...
[04:52] <LaserJock> Windows is based on many good projects that MS steals/rips off ...
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Yah.
[04:53] <sistpoty> hey tseng ;)
[04:54] <bddebian> So Mr. sistpoty, I don't rate for your games team? :'-(
[04:54] <LaserJock> but at work I'm pretty much forced to us OS X as my boss bought us all iMacs
[04:55] <LaserJock> so that's actually what I spend the majority of my time in
[04:55] <sistpoty> bddebian: ?
[04:55] <bddebian> sistpoty: On LP I asked to join motugames :-)
[04:56] <sistpoty> bddebian: strange, I didn't get a mail... maybe because a) I'm not the owner/administrator b) I was on holidays and deleted much spam (and maybe some ham as well)
[04:56] <LaserJock> hah
[04:57] <sistpoty> bddebian: yay, I can't approve you :(
[04:57] <bddebian> sistpoty: :-)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> tseng: has it broken anything yet?
[04:58] <sistpoty> bddebian: you should ping Lathiat instead ;)
[04:58] <bddebian> I never see him on
[04:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: email him ;-)
[04:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: or better yet, assign it to ubuntu-archive
[04:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:59] <bddebian> Well it's not THAT important.  I can be an unofficial member like MOTUScience ;-P
[04:59] <LaserJock> yeah, the unofficial member who does more then all the "real" members combined ;-)
[05:00] <bddebian> pfft
[05:04] <sistpoty> bddebian: btw.. I want to convert pkg-games-devel (debian games team) to a team once lp can do it and thus replace motugames with it (since it makes more sense imo to do the development for both debian and ubuntu than ubuntu only)
[05:04] <bddebian> Ah, cool
[05:05] <sistpoty> but the bug on lp to convert ppl into teams is still open :(
[05:07] <LaserJock> are the requirements for pkg-games-devel different than motugames?
[05:07] <LaserJock> membership requirements
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bye all
[05:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: pkg-games-devel is the debian team that cares for game packages (list: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org)
[05:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:15] <LaserJock> but is that open to everybody, I'm guessing so
[05:15] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes it is... I'm a member too
[05:15] <LaserJock> I suppose Debian teams work similar to Ubuntu
[05:16] <sistpoty> LaserJock: kind of... we use svn of alioth for all packages that are maintained by the team
[05:16] <Yagisan> LaserJock, it appears to. I lurk on there list and only chime in if it affects my game
[05:17] <Yagisan> s/there/their
[05:17] <LaserJock> I'm sort of in a chemistry team, using svn
[05:17] <LaserJock> but we have no mailing list or anything
[05:18] <LaserJock> I was just wondering how formal the teams got in Debian
[05:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: well the games team group maintains game packages for all of its members, but not all game packages in debian
[05:21] <sistpoty> s/group maintains/maintains in a group manner/
[05:39] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know how I can tell aptitude to *not* remove half of my computer?
[05:43] <LaserJock> i swear, aptitude can be one of the most frustrating/annoying apps I know :/
[05:44] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[05:44] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty
[06:26] <Yagisan> nice
[06:26] <Yagisan> edgys ffmpeg FTBFS in my pbuilder on i386
[06:27] <Yagisan> but amd64 worked fine
[06:27] <LaserJock> heh
[06:27] <LaserJock> usually it's the other way around
[06:27] <Yagisan> LaserJock, the error is this -> i386/dsputil_mmx.c:630: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'
[06:28] <Yagisan> I think I'll just be happy with my freshly backported ffmpeg on amd64 (who needs i386 anyway :P )
[07:07] <imbrandon> gmorning all
[07:07] <LaserJock> morning?
[07:07] <LaserJock> where are you?
[07:07] <imbrandon> heh
[07:07] <imbrandon> well its 12:07am , tech morning 
[07:08] <imbrandon> @now us/central
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Current time in US/Central: August 27 2006, 00:08:11
[07:08] <ubuntu-es> imbrandon: Error: "now" is not a valid command.
[07:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: us/mountain for you right ? i can never rember if reno is mountain or pacific
[07:09] <LaserJock> pacific
[07:09] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:10] <LaserJock> 10:09 here
[07:11] <Arbiter> it's 7:10 here :D
[07:11] <imbrandon> my damn wife called from there tonight, apparently someone broke out her windshield near sparks at a maveric
[07:11] <LaserJock> bummer
[07:11] <imbrandon> heh yea, considering i have to pay for it LOL
[07:12] <LaserJock> bummer+
[07:12] <imbrandon> well i dont HAVE to i guess, but it would be shitty is i dident 
[07:12] <imbrandon> s/is/if
[07:12] <LaserJock> well, at least she has a car, which is more than I can say for many Sun Valley residents ;-)
[07:13] <imbrandon> heh true, and atleaste it was __my__ baby ( the camero ) it was the saturn
[07:13] <LaserJock> cellphone, yes ... meth, yes ... car, no
[07:13] <imbrandon> hahahahah sooooo true
[07:14] <imbrandon> jesus and you can only truely realize how true that is once you've lived there
[07:14] <imbrandon> very sad but very true
[07:14] <LaserJock> watching 40 year old men riding a bike down the road talking on their cell phone would be funny if it wasn't so sad
[07:14] <imbrandon> exactly
[07:15] <imbrandon> and actualy riding a bike as trans wouldent be bad if it was pratical for them etc, but thats not the reson they do it, its becouse they spend the money at the casino / meth
[07:15] <imbrandon> thats the sad part
[07:16] <imbrandon> i must say though reno/sparks seems better about that in general than vegas just from the little i've seen in vegas
[07:17] <imbrandon> but rurual nv meth is still a big problem too ( i'm guessing all over the usa {world} )
[07:18] <imbrandon> anyhow .... MOTU's wasssssup , whats popin tonight ? anything ..... ?
[07:20] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to get used to KDE
[07:20] <imbrandon> heheh good man
[07:20] <LaserJock> hibernation was weird so I turned it off
[07:20] <LaserJock> it was randomly hibernating on me
[07:20] <imbrandon> wow
[07:21] <imbrandon> are you using the guidance-power-manager ?
[07:21] <imbrandon> s/are/were
[07:22] <imbrandon>  /konsole
[07:22] <imbrandon> gah
[07:23] <LaserJock> I don't know
[07:23] <LaserJock> I'm just using the default
[07:23] <imbrandon> dapper ?
[07:23] <imbrandon> yea g-p-m isnt default in dapper yet
[07:23] <LaserJock> dapper
[07:23] <imbrandon> and still new in edgy
[07:24] <LaserJock> I just went into the System Settings
[07:25] <imbrandon> oh man, it just started storming big here all of the sudden /me hopes the ups is working correctly
[07:25] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea thats about the only way to do it in dapper
[07:25] <imbrandon> powersave/kpowersave thought systemsettings
[07:25] <imbrandon> through*
[07:29] <LaserJock> k
[07:30] <LaserJock> well, it would be cool if it worked
[07:30] <LaserJock> but at least I can turn it off
[07:30] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[07:30] <imbrandon> wow scott has an essay on the planet
[07:37] <Arbiter> is the wiki down?
[07:37] <imbrandon> Arbiter: seems so
[07:38] <imbrandon> might be maint, i havent looked at the ML lately
[07:42] <crimsun> mm bless I2.  01:41:09 (5.00 MB/s) - `ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso' saved [730675200/730675200] 
[07:42] <imbrandon> 
[07:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Darn updates today owned my AIGLX   : )
[07:43] <crimsun> really? works fine here.
[07:44] <imbrandon> works fine on my ibook too
[07:44] <imbrandon> ( that is ati based )
[07:47] <LaserJock> AIGLX works with nvidia, right?
[07:47] <LaserJock> or no
[07:47] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: as of about 2 days ago, yes, but there has not been an lrm update for it
[07:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: it will real soon
[07:48] <imbrandon> err yea what Burgundavia said
[07:48] <imbrandon> 
[07:48] <LaserJock> how about in Dapper?
[07:48] <crimsun> nope, and nope.
[07:48] <imbrandon> probably not
[07:48] <LaserJock> interesting
[07:48] <imbrandon> afaik it needs xorg 7.1
[07:48] <Burgundavia> that would require xorg 7.1, which is never going to happen
[07:49] <Burgundavia> for any aiglx, regardless of chipset
[07:49] <LaserJock> ah, I don't keep up with this stuff, somebody just asked
[07:49] <imbrandon> ;P
[07:49] <FunnyLookinHat> This is what I get for running unstable software   : )
[07:49] <crimsun> (what?! you're mister raging ubuntu-aholic motu, you have to keep up!!)
[07:49] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: not with XGL or AIGLX crack
[07:50] <crimsun> I'm afraid you don't have a choice, mister celebrity.
[07:50] <LaserJock> whatever ;-)
[07:51] <LaserJock> I think crimsun should be the celebrity since he knows all the answers and does the real work around here :-)
[07:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:52] <crimsun> too busy to be a celebrity.
[07:53] <imbrandon> we gonna start a reality tv show "MOTUStar" where YOU !?!! could be the next big MOTU ...... ala bad RockStar pun
[07:53] <Arbiter> Can someone review these packages, please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2955 (ktagebuch) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2953 (knowit) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2952 (kcmpureftpd). Thanks
[07:53] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[07:53] <Arbiter> :D
[07:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon; i get to be Tommy Lee !
[07:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:54] <LaserJock> or maybe Dave Navarro, I can't decide
[07:54] <imbrandon> i like Navarro better personaly
[07:55] <imbrandon> 
[07:55] <imbrandon> i dont even know who won, i watched all but the last epsisode
[07:55] <imbrandon> heh
[07:55] <LaserJock> I only watched 1
[07:55] <LaserJock> too busy working being an Ubuntu-holic
[07:56] <imbrandon> it was kinda cool if its on, i wouldent go outa my way to watch it though
[07:56] <imbrandon> heh i have a tv in the room i keep going but its on fox news 98% of the time ( unless stargate is on ) heh
[07:57] <imbrandon> or i have amarok cranked
[07:57] <LaserJock> ack, sounds like my parents house. Fox News has become the background noise
[07:58] <imbrandon> lol
[07:58] <LaserJock> the same thing, over... and over ... and over... again
[07:58] <imbrandon> hahahahah yup
[07:59] <imbrandon> ( as with any news network )
[07:59] <LaserJock> I am blessed to not have cable or satellite
[07:59] <imbrandon> *cough*torrents*cough*
[08:00] <LaserJock> uggg
[08:00] <LaserJock> I just don't pay attention to news
[08:00] <LaserJock> I just check yahoo now and then
[08:01] <imbrandon> i ahve google feeds as my start page, that 90% of my news
[08:02] <imbrandon> brb
[08:20] <Arbiter> any REVU admin around?
[08:23] <imbrandon> W: knowit source: source-contains-CVS-dir admin/CVS
[08:23] <imbrandon> W: ktagebuch source: source-contains-CVS-dir admin/CVS
[08:24] <Arbiter> imbrandon eh... it's upstream...
[08:25] <Arbiter> it's stuff created by kdevelop
[08:25] <imbrandon> still shouldent be in there ( the source package )
[08:27] <Arbiter> why not? the whole source package is not a CVS checkout... admin/CVS is just an upstream directory...
[08:27] <imbrandon> becouse its policy , i dunno why , LOL
[08:28] <Arbiter> rotfl
[08:28] <Arbiter> pff... i need to modify the .orig tarball (again)
[08:28] <Arbiter> :P
[08:28] <StevenK> Only if you care.
[08:29] <StevenK> It's a warning, a nicety.
[08:29] <StevenK> As long as said CVS directories don't actually get installed, you're pretty fine.
[08:29] <imbrandon> ahh 
[08:29] <Arbiter> StevenK: but i think that lintian assumes that the _whole_ source packages is a CVS checkout
[08:30] <StevenK> Nah, lintian just looks for directories called 'CVS'.
[08:30] <Arbiter> eh :D
[08:30] <StevenK> Trust me, lintian isn't that clever.
[08:30] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:31] <imbrandon> someone needs to update lintian on REVU anyhow for new standards and edgy etc
[08:31] <Arbiter> so i don't need to modify the .orig tarball then? :)
[08:31] <StevenK> I *think* that's been done for Linda, but I can't remember. :-/
[08:31] <imbrandon> yea linda is updated
[08:31] <imbrandon> afaik
[08:32] <StevenK> Hah, so you aren't actually certain either.
[08:32] <imbrandon> hehe no but it isnt spitting out crazy stuff like lintian
[08:33] <imbrandon> StevenK: lol i bet, i've just been "goffin" off this weekend
[08:33] <imbrandon> i'm gonna go shopping tomarrow , my son's 2nd birthday is next week
[08:33] <imbrandon> 
[08:33] <imbrandon> lol
[08:34] <StevenK> Then again, I get paid for like 15 hours this weekend, so score.
[08:35] <Arbiter> imbrandon or StevenK, perhaps you're a REVU admin?
[08:35] <imbrandon> i'm only a reviwer, there is a list of admins on the wiki/lp
[08:36] <imbrandon> reviewer*
[08:36] <Arbiter> imbrandon but the wiki is down :P
[08:36] <StevenK> Hah.
[08:37] <Arbiter> siretart: ping
[08:40] <Arbiter> brb
[10:14] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[10:26] <imbrandon> heya Toadstool
[10:27] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[10:46] <siretart> Arbiter: pong
[11:15] <zakame> hi MOTUs! :D
[11:25] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[11:50] <zakame> yo imbrandon
[12:18] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:19] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[12:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you see the bug i attached with your nick earlier?
[12:19] <imbrandon> what one ?
[12:19] <imbrandon> the amarok one
[12:19] <imbrandon> ?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:20] <imbrandon> yup got it 
[12:20] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[12:20] <imbrandon> will be fixed shortly
[12:20] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/24639  <-- thats actualy a libtag problem and i just fixed it yesterday ( and requested an approved backport ), wanna close that one
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24639 in amarok "mp3s encoded by iTunes that have album art cause amarok to crash" [Medium,Needs info] 
[12:23] <imbrandon> ( its assigned to you )
[12:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right, nice
[12:23] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's cool - i assigned all of them to me that i thought were fixed with the new version, so i could just go close them all in one hit :P
[12:24] <imbrandon> hehe yea that one is done
[12:24] <imbrandon> i'm going throught the whole amarok list right now
[12:24] <imbrandon> some of these are way way old
[12:24] <imbrandon> lol
[12:24] <Hobbsee> incredibly, yes
[12:29] <elmargol> hi I search a netinstall iso that i can "burn" to my usbstick
[12:31] <imbrandon> elmargol: #ubuntu is the place for support but here is what your looking for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[12:34] <elmargol> thx i try it
[12:42] <rob> imbrandon: pong
[12:43] <imbrandon> heya rob
[01:00] <Prezu> I have a small problem with lintian/linda error. They complain about not compressing /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog
[01:01] <Prezu> This file shouldn't be compressed, because it's contents are read by "About..." dialog of a program.
[01:01] <StevenK> Prezu: Then also install a compressed version, or hack the program to open it with gzip
[01:03] <Prezu> StevenK: Thanks, I try installing both, compressed and uncompressed first.
[02:41] <Lathiat> Bug #1
[02:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:52] <imbrandon> zul: poke
[02:52] <imbrandon> zul: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/amarok.debdiff  thanks
[03:12] <tuxmaniac> Lathiat> whats the problem with that High critical bug #1
[03:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:01] <Prezu> Riddell: Could you please review the Kadu packahe again? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2968) I've fixed all the issues (I think). :)
[04:03] <shawarma> Hmm... it appears I still need a sponsor for http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/asterisk-merge.diff
[04:03] <shawarma> Come on. You know you want to!
[04:07] <Riddell> Prezu: compiling..
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:27] <shawarma> hi, bddebian.
[04:27] <Riddell> Prezu: looks good, see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2968
[04:28] <shawarma> So... I've got that asterisk merge ready to go, if you're up for it? http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/asterisk-merge.diff
[04:28] <Prezu> Riddell: Thanks a lot. :)
[04:28] <bddebian> Hello shawarma, Riddell
[04:29] <bddebian> shawarma: I'll take a look.  Someone else was trying to get it done too :-)
[04:30] <tseng> why do we have ubuntu changes in asterisk anyway
[04:31] <Prezu> Riddell: Please see second paragraph here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00006.html
[04:31] <tseng> it looks like clean bugfixes
[04:32] <Prezu> Riddell: Isn't this the same issue?
[04:32] <shawarma> bddebian: Really? It's a really easy merge. I can't imagine why anyone would run into trouble.
[04:32] <shawarma> tseng: IIRC it's to do with /var/run being a tmpfs.
[04:33] <tseng> I see.
[04:33] <tseng> but that code is safe for everyone
[04:33] <tseng> oh well
[04:33] <shawarma> tseng: Yes, I suppose it is.
[04:40] <Riddell> Prezu: that could well be it.  problem solved
[04:40] <Riddell> Prezu: you could ask on #kubuntu-devel for a second reviewer
[04:41] <Arbiter> heya bddebian
[04:41] <bddebian> Hello Arbiter
[04:42] <Prezu> Riddell: Thanks, I'll do that.
[04:43] <Lathiat> tuxmaniac: i was just showing someone ubugtu
[04:44] <bddebian> Lathiat !?!
[04:46] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga: ping
[04:54] <Prezu> Has someone noticed, that recovering password on http://revu.tauware.de dosn't work?
[04:54] <Lathiat> make sujre your putting your email in
[04:54] <Lathiat> and not something else
[04:58] <Prezu> Lathiat: I'm putting my email (patryk@prezu.one.pl, so it's http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=patryk@prezu.one.pl) and I get: http://dug.net.pl/~patryk/tmp/revu-pass-recovery.log
[04:59] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:59] <Lathiat> does seem pbroken indeed
[05:02] <bddebian> Lathiat: I wanted to ask you about MOTUGames team but it sounds like I'd be better off waiting until the Debian games team thing eh?
[05:10] <Arbiter> Can someone review these packages, please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2955 (ktagebuch) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2953 (knowit) -- http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2952 (kcmpureftpd). Thanks
[05:10] <Lathiat> bddebian: to be perfectly hoenst with you i havent been very active within ubuntu for a bit and probably wont be for a couple months
[05:11] <Lathiat> i have something else eating most of my free time atm unfortunately
[05:11] <bddebian> Lathiat: NP, sorry to bug you
[05:11] <Lathiat> bddebian: oh you can bug me all you like im just saying, i probably wont be able to help you WRT to ubuntu-games ;p
[05:11] <Lathiat> er. motugames
[05:31] <trappist> I had an eterm patch in dapper that doesn't apply cleanly in edgy, and so was dropped.  I have the same bug in edgy so I made a new bug and a new patch.  I assigned to motu-reviewers, is there anything else I can do to get it reviewed and uploaded?
[05:32] <trappist> bug #57517
[05:32] <Ubug2> Malone bug 57517 in eterm "Borderless Eterm doesn't grab focus in KDE" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57517
[05:34] <Hobbsee> !info eterm edgy
[05:34] <ubotu> eterm: Enlightened Terminal Emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-1 (edgy), package size 406 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[05:35] <trappist> Hobbsee: last time I asked, they said assign to motu-reviewers.  but yeah, me too.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: want to check that out?  i really need to get this assignmetn done
[05:36] <Hobbsee> its' due in...8 hours...
[05:52] <zul> Hobbsee: plenty of time
[05:52] <Hobbsee> zul: i'm fighting recursion.  and i'd like to sleep sometime.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> recursion is evil.
[05:53] <zul> recursion is evil.
[05:54] <Prezu> Could someone please review the Kadu package in REVU? It need one more advocate. It's really popular instant messenger in Poland and many Debian and Ubuntu users use my external repository (on upstream's website - http://kadu.net).
[06:02] <bddebian> Prezu: I'm taking a look
[06:06] <Prezu> bddebian: Thanks. :)
[06:06] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[06:07] <slomo> hi bddebian :) i have to leave again for some minutes now... brb ;)
[06:08] <ryanakca> could a motu upload/review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2957 please?
[06:08] <bddebian> ryanakca: NO ;-P
[06:08] <ryanakca> lol
[06:08] <ryanakca> bddebian: how many times have you looked at it?
[06:08] <ryanakca> too many
[06:08] <ryanakca> ooh... bbc radio has a new look
[06:10] <bddebian> ryanakca: As soon as this kadu build finishes I'll throw it up
[06:14] <ryanakca> bddebian: thanks
[06:17] <bddebian> ryanakca: It's up
[06:18] <ryanakca> bddebian: yipeee! my first package that gets on the repos
[06:18] <bddebian> ryanakca: Well it still has to get through NEW processing :-)
[06:18] <ryanakca> thanks a million for reviewing it more times than you should've had to :)
[06:18] <ryanakca> oh.. and that takes how long? couple hours?
[06:19] <bddebian> ryanakca: Well some packages have been sitting in the new queue for months :-(
[06:19] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[06:20] <Nafallo> Kamion and Keybuk will have that queue as a priority one day a week now, no?
[06:21] <tseng> one day a week each
[06:22] <Prezu> May new package be added to Breezy? Or to Edgy only?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yes...remind me why i dont put stuff thru new...
[06:22] <ryanakca> bddebian: odd... the oldest one I see is "language-pack-ceb" from 2006-08-25 17:10:38 EDT
[06:22] <Hobbsee> to edgy only
[06:22] <Prezu> Hobbsee: I see, thanks.
[06:23] <bddebian> ryanakca: Of all 217?
[06:23] <ryanakca> 18 :)
[06:24] <ryanakca> Yes, click on the age button and it'll either give you oldest to newest , vv
[06:25] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, I guess I am wrong.  Cool
[06:25] <ryanakca> lol, yipee
[06:28] <trappist> I had an eterm patch in dapper that doesn't apply cleanly in edgy, and so was dropped.  I have the same bug in edgy so I made a new bug and a new patch.  I assigned to motu-reviewers, is there anything else I can do to get it reviewed and uploaded?
[06:28] <trappist> bug #57517
[06:28] <Ubug2> Malone bug 57517 in eterm "Borderless Eterm doesn't grab focus in KDE" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57517
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> Anyone have any suggestions on getting a hold of OpenBSD's libc and putting it on Ubuntu
[06:34] <bddebian> trappist: Looking now
[06:38] <bddebian> trappist: distro unstable, version -2?? :-)
[06:41] <trappist> bddebian: I don't know what to do with the changelog, I just know I have to change it for debuild -S
[06:41] <trappist> to make a debdiff
[06:42] <trappist> any input there is welcome :)
[06:42] <bddebian> :)
[06:42] <bddebian> I "fixed" it
[06:42] <trappist> ossum, thanks
[06:42] <trappist> I guess it shoulda said edgy, but what about the -2?
[06:42] <bddebian> Should be -1ubuntu1
[06:43] <trappist> ah, because the previous change was a debian sync
[06:43] <bddebian> Aye
[06:43] <trappist> gotcha.
[06:43] <trappist> while I'm here, is there really such a group as motu-reviewers?  if I upload a fixy patch to a universe package, I assign the bug to them, as somebody once said to do, but I don't often see any activity after that.
[06:44] <bddebian> yes
[06:44] <trappist> ok
[06:44] <bddebian> I really need to start looking at that list.. :-(
[06:45] <bddebian> I can't keep up with my own subscribed bugs + REVU + merges :-(
[06:45] <trappist> I can imagine.
[06:46] <trappist> maybe I could help, but other than reporting, fixing and confirming bugs, I'm not sure what's the next step to becoming a MOTU
[06:46] <bddebian> trappist: Are you already an Ubuntu Memeber?
[06:47] <Prezu> bddebian: What are the lintian's/linda's complains about unstripped binaries in Kadu's debs? (I haven't got them)
[06:47] <trappist> if that means ubuntero, yes apparently.  otherwise, no, the ubuntu-doc guys were gonna cheer me on at the next meeting, but if there was a next meeting I missed it.
[06:47] <bddebian> Prezu: You ran linda against kadu_0.5.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ?
[06:47] <Prezu> bddebian: yes
[06:48] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe it's another dapper linda/lintian issue
[06:49] <bddebian> Prezu: Are you running linda/lintian on Edgy?
[06:49] <trappist> bddebian: is ubuntu membership a prerequisite?  if so, what's the next step in that direction
[06:50] <Prezu> bddebian: In Breezy. I'm switching to Edgy, one sec.
[06:50] <bddebian> trappist: You need to add your name to the list and go to and Ubuntu Community Council Meeting
[06:50] <trappist> bddebian: what list?
[06:50] <bddebian> Oh and yes, Membership is a pre-requisite for MOTUship
[06:51] <trappist> gotcha.
[06:51] <bddebian> I'm trying to find the link for it..
[06:52] <trappist> can't seem to find an ubuntu team on launchpad
[06:53] <bddebian> trappist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[06:54] <Prezu> bddebian: I've checked in edgy (on debs built in edgy's chroot). Lintian only complains about the version number.
[06:54] <bddebian> Hmm, OK
[06:54] <trappist> bddebian: thanks.  looks like the next cc meeting is on the 5th.  should I try to bring cheerleaders?
[06:55] <bddebian> trappist: Always :-)  And have a list of your contributions, etc :-)
[06:55] <trappist> right.
[06:55] <bddebian> Prezu: OK, I will advocate then, thanks
[06:58] <Prezu> bddebian: Thanks. :)
[06:58] <bddebian> Oh, dummy, I had DEB_BUILD_OPTION="debug nostrip noopt" still on.. No wonder.. :-(
[07:05] <bddebian> Heya Burgundavia
[07:06] <Burgundavia> morning bddebian
[07:28] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: you around?
[07:31] <welshbyte> hey guys
[07:35] <bddebian> welshbyte!!
[07:36] <welshbyte> bddebian!!
[07:40] <bddebian> welshbyte: Fix maxima for me yet? ;-P
[07:41] <welshbyte> bddebian: 'fraid not, i think my C++ dev skills are lacking somewhat
[07:41] <bddebian> welshbyte: :)
[07:46] <welshbyte> i might stick to bug triage til i get back, my parents place isn't a wonderful working environment ;)
[07:50] <bddebian> :-)
[07:56] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[07:56] <Nafallo> morning bddebian :-)
[07:56] <Mez> noone says hi to me anymore
[07:56] <bddebian> Hi Mez!!! :-)
[07:57] <bddebian> Sorry, I didn't even see you "come in" :-)
[07:57] <Mez> bddebian, it doesnt count, you were "prompted" :P
[07:58] <gnomefreak> hi Mez
[08:04] <welshbyte> hi Mez!
[08:04] <bddebian> hehe
[08:04] <welshbyte> bah the lag on this connection is terrible :)
[08:06] <ryanakca> Mez! Your back!
[08:06] <Mez> ryanakca????? who you be?
[08:06] <gnomefreak> is it known that dapper is having a bunch of depends issues?
[08:06] <ryanakca> Mez: I be ryanakca
[08:07] <ryanakca> Mez: I really be Ryan Kavanagh and be co-founder of the classroom project...
[08:08] <Mez> ah :D
[08:08] <Mez> lol :D
[08:08] <Mez> then maybe we should have a chat in -nun
[08:13] <gnomefreak> bddebian: thats not true you be the guy that tried to get my dinner last night ;)
[08:18] <bddebian> gnomefreak: Bah, I couldn't make it in time ;-P
[08:18] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:31] <welshbyte> how should we reply to bugs like bug 57905 where they're requesting universe packages to be updated to the latest version even though they haven't been updated in debian yet?
[08:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57905 in burgerspace "BurgerSpace has been updated." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57905
[08:33] <gardengnome> hey guys. i hope i'm not asking a FAQ here, but... who maintains the *multi*verse repository?
[08:33] <Nafallo> MOTUs
[08:34] <gardengnome> oh. cool. i thought you guys were only responsible for universe. thanks a lot :)
[08:35] <bddebian> welshbyte: Package it! ;-P
[08:37] <welshbyte> bddebian: maybe when i get back :P out of curiosity, does that duplicate work when it comes to being updated in debian or does debian use ubuntu's new package?
[08:39] <bddebian> welshbyte: Depends on the Debian maintainer.  Sometimes they will take our work, sometimes they will do their own.  If the Debian maintainer seems pretty active, I would honestly let them do it and we can sync/merge after.
[08:41] <bddebian> Heya carthik
[08:41] <carthik> hi bddebian
[08:41] <carthik> slow sunday?
[08:42] <bddebian> I'm slow every day :-)
[08:42] <carthik> I meant to ask if the Sunday was slow :) Can't believe the weekend's almost over
[08:54] <trappist> bddebian: how long, on average, between 'fix released' and hitting a repo?
[08:54] <trappist> s/repo/mirror/
[08:55] <bddebian> trappist: Fix released or Fix Committed?
[08:55] <Nafallo> trappist: totally depends on the mirror :-)
[08:55] <trappist> bddebian: I think it was you who uploaded a new eterm package and asked me to keep an eye on it.
[08:55] <trappist> ah.
[08:58] <bddebian> trappist: Aye.  You can check launchpad to see if it builds successfully.
[08:58] <bddebian> Then it really depends on the archive/mirror on how long it takes
[08:58] <kagou> hi
[08:59] <trappist> bddebian: nevery occurred to me to check launchpad for that, thanks
[08:59] <trappist> *never
[09:39] <Burgundavia> quinn storm is quinn of compiz.net?
[09:39] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Aye, afaik
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ok, just wondering
[09:41] <Riddell> Burgundavia: still doing UWN?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Riddell: almost done. The wiki went out last night so I couldn] 
[09:42] <Burgundavia> 't release then
[09:42] <Riddell> nasty
[10:02] <Riddell> top stuff Burgundavia
[10:03] <Burgundavia> thanks for writing all that Kubuntu stuff
[10:07] <Mez> Burgundavia, I'll still never recover from overhearing things through the hotel walls :D
[11:25] <Riddell> Mez: like what?
[11:32] <sladen> Mez: what did you hear?
[11:37] <Mez> Riddell: sladen, you dont want to know :P but I was in the room next to him... and it was kinda disturbing
[11:38] <sladen> Mez: "him" ?
[11:38] <Mez> Burgundavia = Corey  right ?
[11:38] <Riddell> es
[11:38] <Riddell> yes
[11:38] <Mez> yep - sladen: him
[11:39] <Mez> him = Burgundavia
[11:42] <gnomefreak> is it core devel or motu that does ff plugins?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> totem-ff plugins
[11:43] <sladen> w
[11:44] <phanter> quick question from somebody who wants to help develloping but does not know where to start. I would like to work/help on a python application. Do you have a suggestion for which application I could join?
[11:44] <LaserJock> wow, that would really depend on what you are interested in
[11:45] <hub> gnomefreak: I think the totem firefox plugin is in Universe
[11:45] <hub> at least in Dapper
[11:45] <Riddell> phanter: kubuntu's power manager and hwdb clients both have a todo list
[11:45] <phanter> is there a way to find out which apps are written in python (i could not find it :()
[11:46] <hub> phanter: apt-cache redpends python
[11:46] <hub> phanter: apt-cache rdepends python
[11:46] <hub> that should give a good list
[11:48] <phanter> hub: ? sorry ?
[11:48] <hub> that will list anythin depending on Python
[11:49] <phanter> oke, never saw that apt cmd (using debian and ubuntu for a long time already )
[11:49] <phanter> anyway, thank guys (m/f) for putting me on the right track !
[11:51] <hub> Riddell: btw what is the rationale behind using Python
[11:51] <Riddell> hub: for what?
[11:52] <hub> in Ubuntu
[11:52] <Riddell> hub: in general it's just lovely to develop in
[11:52] <hub> like installer, etc
[11:52] <hub> because in general it just far more heavier in term of resources
[11:52] <Riddell> plus Mark loves it, and we all just blindly follow him
[11:52] <LaserJock> heh
[11:52] <Riddell> it has some issues, but it's the nicest programming environement I've found (having not looked at Ruby)
[11:53] <LaserJock> I really like it because it's the only real programming language I've learned
[11:53] <LaserJock> and I can do things quickly and easily
[11:53] <LaserJock> and it can be quite fast
[11:53] <hub> so it just a matter of "hype"
[11:54] <LaserJock> sure, but I think the hype is there for a reason ;-)
[11:54] <hub> LaserJock: not necessarily
[11:54] <hub> even more when you have *sane* APIs like in KDE
[11:54] <ryanakca> wiki is broken :( "A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred."  who do I sent the functions -> errors to?
[11:54] <hub> for C++
[11:55] <Riddell> hub: I really don't want to go back to C++ having used python
[11:55] <hub> Riddell: maybe I should lend you my machines
[11:57] <LaserJock> I mean, surely it depends on what you are doing
[11:57] <LaserJock> but I can't think of anything that I do that I would rather use anything but Python
[11:58] <LaserJock> except maybe some shell scripting
[11:59] <Riddell> hub: the power manager is a valid concern certinaly since it always gets started, and I'll probably rewrite that in c++ when qt 4.2 is out
[12:00] <hub> it is like the deskbar applet in Gnome
[12:00] <hub> it use a hell of 50MB
[12:00] <Riddell> I don't know that
[12:00] <hub> because it is Python
[12:01] <LaserJock> k, fine. I doubt it's soley because it's Python though
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ty hub
[12:07] <hub> LaserJock: it is
[12:07] <gnomefreak> before you hear it in a bunch of bugs neither totem-xine-ffplugin nor gstreamer have been updated for edgy
[12:07] <LaserJock> hub: what do you think it would be written in C?
[12:08] <hub> s/would/should/
[12:08] <hub> more in C++ than C
[12:08] <hub> but Gnomers hate C++
[12:08] <hub> that is a fact