[12:13] <apachelogger> hehe
[02:55] <imbrandon_> 
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:02] <ryanakca> heh
[04:02] <Hobbsee> they're too loud
[04:03] <Hobbsee> we ignored the first set of alarms, but the second ones were really disturbing
[04:03] <ryanakca> hmmm... back in primary school.... we had these screeching alarms... to the point your ears ring and kindergardeners are crying because of the sound... 
[04:04] <ryanakca> what time is it out in au? 2pm?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> midday
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, that was the second lot of alarms.  we were ignoring the "beep beep beep" ones
[04:08] <ryanakca> heh
[04:09] <ryanakca> if a fire alarm went off at night, even though it's right out my bedroom door, I'd probably sleep right threw it... nothing can wake me up...
[04:12] <ryanakca> lol
[04:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 2.0 beta?
[04:15] <ryanakca> umm..... yes
[04:15] <ryanakca> Bon Echo 2.0b1
[04:16] <imbrandon_> GAH
[04:16] <ryanakca> ???
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: because it's a *beta*
[04:18] <ryanakca> how d'you downgrade it?
[04:18] <ryanakca> apt-get upgraded it...
[04:19] <imbrandon_> konqueror
[04:19] <freeflying|away> moin all
[04:20] <imbrandon_> moins freeflying|away 
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying|away 
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i dont use ubuntu's firefox or thunderbird - i use the mozilla binaries.  have for a long while
[04:22] <ryanakca> ah
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: back when ubuntu only was using 1.0.5 or whatever
[04:22] <ryanakca> how do you run a backtrace for something like "*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/sysinfo terminated"... gdb doesn't output anything useful...
[04:22] <Hobbsee> much quicker using mozilla binaries
[04:22] <Hobbsee> you run away and scream loudly?
[04:23] <ryanakca> scream loudly?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> well, you could
[04:25] <Hobbsee> it probably wouldnt *help* - but you could
[04:29] <freeflying> more backports wil better :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: got the mail, thanks
[05:47] <imbrandon> i was just looking at some other upsteam struff too
[05:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: are you on the amarok packagers mailing list?
[05:47] <imbrandon> yup ( and i got the key to the dev chan too )
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nice
[08:57] <kwwii> moin
[09:10] <imbrandon> moins kwwii
[09:11] <imbrandon> kwwii: seen this yet ? http://www.racoonfink.com/archives/000700.html
[09:45] <imbrandon> moins el and raphink
[09:45] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[09:45] <el> moins imbrandon 
[09:46] <freeflying> imbrandon: have you tried ?
[09:47] <imbrandon> freeflying: tried what ?
[09:47] <imbrandon> heya allee
[09:48] <freeflying> imbrandon: kde4 on mac
[09:48] <allee> hi imbrandon 
[09:50] <raphink> hi allee & freeflying
[09:50] <allee> ho ho raphink!  
[09:50] <raphink> allee: what?
[09:51] <allee> raphink: merged/backported yesterday FAI.  Now I'll try it ;)
[09:51] <raphink> nice
[09:51] <freeflying> raphink: heya
[09:51] <allee> raphink: how do you define classes?  By hostname/case by case ..?
[09:51] <imbrandon> freeflying: its still installing right now
[09:52] <raphink> allee: you mean here? 
[09:52] <imbrandon> freeflying: i'll put some screenshots up when it gets done
[09:52] <allee> raphink: I have to define now my classes for some old and new desktops, laptops, ...
[09:52] <freeflying> imbrandon: have you downloaded them? the server is too slow for me  :)
[09:53] <raphink> allee: do you mean how we define classes here? or in general?
[09:53] <imbrandon> freeflying: yea there on my hdd , installing qt as we speak , the rest will follow
[09:53] <allee> raphink: how you do it.
[09:54] <raphink> allee: well you don't want to know how we do it here
[09:54] <allee> :)
[09:54] <raphink> allee: and I would do it using the subnetworks and DNS
[09:54] <raphink> once the client has gotten its IP and DNS at boot
[09:54] <raphink> or using the mac address if necessary
[09:54] <raphink> the problem we have here is that the shell&core team refuses to give a definition to what a machine is
[09:55] <allee> raphink: ah, okay.  DNS was also my starting point
[09:55] <raphink> they refuse to define a machine as a network card
[09:55] <raphink> allee: I'd let the client get an IP from the DHCP and a DNS
[09:55] <raphink> allee: bad idea ;)
[09:55] <raphink> allee: we don't even have a DB of the mac addresses of the machines that I know of
[09:55] <raphink> because they didn't see the use of it
[09:56] <raphink> there is no reality in machines here$
[09:56] <raphink> a box is not a definition, a mac address is not a definition, and obviously an IP or a DNS is even less 
[09:56] <raphink> so for them, we have no machines
[09:56] <allee> raphink: uhm
[09:56] <raphink> although we have 2000 of them
[09:58] <allee> raphink: thx. I'll start with DNS.  I'll see if dmidecode of MAC will later use for fine tuning ..
[09:58] <allee> raphink: thx
[11:32] <imbrandon> wb kwwii
[11:32] <imbrandon> kwwii: what email address do you prefer ?
[11:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: you arround today ?
[11:36] <kwwii> imbrandon: doesn't matter to me :-)
[11:36] <kwwii> kwwii@bootsplash.org is fine
[11:37] <imbrandon> heh kk
[11:42] <kwwii>  testing kdm, brb
[11:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[11:46] <imbrandon> heheh heya
[11:46] <imbrandon> i was trying to compile the kde4 snapshot and i had a question but i got it worked out
[11:46] <imbrandon> but i might have another in a few 
[11:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:47] <imbrandon> btw i just emailed you and kwwii those pics ( tar.gz ) becouse i couldent get the darned package to make a diff right
[11:47] <imbrandon> i will have to learn that better later
[11:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^^
[11:47] <Riddell> ok
[11:47] <imbrandon> its like 6 png's and one css file but they are spread accross kdebase and kdelibs
[11:47] <Riddell> will try and get onto that
[11:47] <imbrandon> ;(
[11:48] <imbrandon> hehe no biggie and sorry i couldent do a diff
[11:48] <imbrandon> it just whooped my arse, i guess i know what i need to work on packin wise now 
[11:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: have you tried kde4 on osx yet ?
[11:54] <Riddell> I don't have os x
[11:55] <imbrandon> i cant get "  eval `/opt/kde4-deps/bin/dbus-launch --auto-syntax` " to run ( everything else upto that point works )
[11:55] <imbrandon> ahh okie
[11:55] <imbrandon> about 3 hours ago
[11:56] <imbrandon> keeps telling me it cant bind to socket <dbus path> permission denied
[11:56] <imbrandon> i'll poke rangerrick about it later as its his bin's i'm using
[11:58] <imbrandon> should dbus-daemon --system be run with sudo ? that might be my issue ......
[11:59] <Riddell> got dbus installed?
[12:00] <imbrandon> yea and running
[12:00] <allee> raphink: 
[12:00] <allee> +
[12:00] <allee> +
[12:01] <allee> ooops sorry
[12:43] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde-osx.png  <-- kde4 osx 10.4 
[12:44] <imbrandon> i have pics of the rest of the install process too but they are tiff's
[12:44] <imbrandon> heh
[01:02] <freeflying> imbrandon: take some snapshot of kde4 stuffs on mac  :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> freeflying:  thats the kde4 installing, i need to get dbus running properly then i will
[01:05] <Riddell> bah, that's a very old KDE logo they're using
[01:05] <imbrandon> rangerrick ( from #kde / #kde-darwin ) did that Riddell
[01:06] <Riddell> I know
[01:06] <imbrandon> hehe 
[01:07] <imbrandon> hrm i need to get that osx on irc so i can post the error , maybe you/him/someone knows how to fix it , i'm sure its simple but i just dont know enough about how dbuss works
[01:08] <imbrandon>  export PATH="/opt/qt4/bin:/opt/kde4-deps/bin:/opt/kde4/bin:$PATH"
[01:08] <imbrandon> sudo /opt/kde4-deps/bin/dbus-daemon --system
[01:08] <imbrandon> eval `/opt/kde4-deps/bin/dbus-launch --auto-syntax`
[01:08] <imbrandon> thats what i ran
[01:08] <imbrandon> its the last command its choking on
[01:10] <omeow> imbrandon, that screenshot is horrible.
[01:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: on this page http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE3To4 , i shouldent have to build cmake or qt right ? those packages are avaible in edgy correct ?
[01:10] <imbrandon> omeow: why is that ?
[01:10] <imbrandon> heh
[01:11] <omeow> Because the background image interferes with the bullet items.
[01:11] <imbrandon> thats how the install is, not the screen shot silly
[01:11] <imbrandon> i dident make the installer 
[01:11] <omeow> That's the only thing I saw. :)
[01:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, although I think qt4-kdecopy still has an install issue
[01:13] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[01:13] <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy_4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:13] <imbrandon>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents_debug.so', which is also in package libqt4-dev-kdecopy
[01:13] <imbrandon> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:13] <imbrandon>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy_4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[01:13] <imbrandon> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:13] <imbrandon> dupe .so
[01:14] <imbrandon> err wait
[01:14] <imbrandon> no thats wrong i was trying to install both
[01:14] <omeow> Lovely error code
[01:20] <imbrandon> qmake dosent use ccache huh ? bummer
[01:29] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'll fix that
[01:32] <imbrandon> heh the world aint fair thats for sure, but what makes you say that Hobbsee
[01:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: a guy who was showing pornographic material on his phone to an employee under 16 got almost-fired.  he's on a very very tight leash now, being watched like a hawk :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> he was an annoying idiot anyway.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> s/was/is/
[01:33] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:33] <Hobbsee> it's so nice to see that the higher ups *do* actually care about such things.  
[01:34] <Hobbsee> rather than just ignoring it.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ...like usual
[01:35] <Hobbsee> anyway, end rant.  and someone please remind me to call in sick to work tomorrow.
[01:40] <imbrandon> Riddell: did you ever get the "krash" snapshot to compile ?
[01:40] <imbrandon> i'm having truble with kdelibs
[01:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[01:41] <imbrandon> hrm ok maybe i'm missing a dep, lemme pastbin something and see if its obvious to you
[01:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i suspect you're very brave
[01:42] <Hobbsee> even trying :P
[01:42] <imbrandon> heh probably but i would like to get it working 
[01:42] <imbrandon> or atleaste compiling 
[01:43] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/151764  <-- i dident know how much info you would need so i pasted the whole konsole buffer
[01:43] <imbrandon> i think i'm just missing a dep if you got it to compile on edgy
[01:45] <Riddell> is the qtdbus library installed?
[01:46] <imbrandon> hrm whats the package name
[01:46] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$ sudo apt-cache search qtdbus
[01:46] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$ sudo apt-cache search qt-dbus
[01:46] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$
[01:46] <Riddell> it's not a package, it's part of qt4-core or qt4-gui
[01:46] <Hobbsee> libdbus-qt-1-1c2?
[01:46] <imbrandon> ahh both of those are
[01:47] <Hobbsee> or related bits?
[01:47] <imbrandon> i think i install all those, checking now
[01:47] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$ sudo dpkg -l|grep ii|grep qt4
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-core-kdecopy                   4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality runtime libr
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-debug-kdecopy                  4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 debugging runtime libraries
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-dev-kdecopy                    4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 development files
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-gui-kdecopy                    4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-qt3support-kdecopy             4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 3 compatibility library for Qt 4
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  libqt4-sql-kdecopy                    4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 SQL database module
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  qt4-dev-tools-kdecopy                 4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 development tools
[01:48] <imbrandon> ii  qt4-doc-kdecopy                       4.2.0~svn20060818-0ubuntu2           Qt 4 API documentation
[01:49] <imbrandon> yea looks like both are installed
[01:49] <Riddell> the issue is whether they contain the dbus library
[01:49] <imbrandon> ahh , well something i can do to check heh 
[01:50] <imbrandon> i do have these files installed
[01:50] <imbrandon> /usr/lib/libdbus-qt-1.so.1
[01:50] <imbrandon> /usr/lib/libdbus-qt-1.so.1.0.0
[01:51] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libdbus-qt-1.so.1
[01:51] <imbrandon> libdbus-qt-1-1c2: /usr/lib/libdbus-qt-1.so.1
[01:51] <imbrandon> brandon-test@voyager:~/kdelibs_build$          
[01:52] <imbrandon> hrm but its using the local dbus i compiled for that user
[01:52] <imbrandon> doh
[01:53] <imbrandon> thats probably the issue huh
[01:53] <imbrandon> lol
[01:54] <omeow> I'm trying to do this tutorial; http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/tutorial-t1.html but when I try to compile it, it fails with the following errors; http://omeow.ath.cx/make-error.log
[01:54] <seaLne> do live cds have gcc on them?
[01:55] <Riddell> seaLne: no
[01:55] <imbrandon> nope
[01:55] <Riddell> seaLne: but you can install it
[01:55] <seaLne> bah
[01:55] <Hobbsee> they dont have build-essentials?
[01:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not by default but you can install it
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:56] <Riddell> omeow: make sure you use qmake-qt4
[01:56] <omeow> I believe I have to switch to qmake for qt4? but I don't remember the command for how to do that.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> omeow: sudo update-alternatives --config qmake?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> just a guess
[01:56] <omeow> Ah yes, I think that was it.
[01:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: i dont have to export the dbus stuff and run dbusstart right since i dont need to compile my own dbud
[01:58] <imbrandon> s/dbud/dbus
[01:58] <imbrandon> here is what i'm exporting
[01:58] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/151767
[01:58] <Riddell> I didn't have to
[01:58] <imbrandon> k
[01:58] <imbrandon> that could have been my problem i think
[02:00] <kwwii> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/powerMangerIcons.tar.gz
[02:05] <Riddell> kwwii: rocking
[02:07] <kwwii> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-kdm.tar.gz
[02:07] <Riddell> kwwii: what's changed in that?
[02:07] <kwwii> that has new pics and a new xml file (wider menu buttons, etc.)
[02:07] <Riddell> ok
[02:09] <kwwii> Riddell: I guess that we need to take one of the powermanager icons and use it as the app icon as well
[02:09] <kwwii> if I missed any others that we need, let me know
[02:10] <Riddell> kwwii: yes that's my plan
[02:11] <kwwii> cool :-)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> http://xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png
[02:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:12] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:12] <imbrandon> where'd you see that Hobbsee LOL
[02:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: -ops
[02:13] <imbrandon> heh
[02:13] <imbrandon> arg brb rebooting
[02:14] <Riddell> kwwii: that plug doesn't look very plug like
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's probably an australian plug or something
[02:16] <imbrandon> lol
[02:16] <imbrandon> looks like the ac adapter end of the plug
[02:16] <imbrandon> for a lappy
[02:17] <Riddell> oh, I see
[02:18] <Riddell> hmm, it has no cable
[02:18] <Riddell> and seems too wide
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:19] <Hobbsee> we power laptops by microwaves now, didnt you know?  no physical connection required.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:35] <Hobbsee> to all of you who wanted to know the conversation where i got that link from...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:07]  <Seveas> ompaul, http://xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:11]  <Hobbsee> Seveas: haha
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:18]  <-- imbrandon has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:19]  <Seveas> Hobbsee, make me a sandwich!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:19]  <Hobbsee> Seveas: go fishing!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:19]  <Seveas> Hobbsee, sudo die
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:20]  <Hobbsee> Seveas: is not in /etc/sudoers.  go fishing!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:20]  <Seveas> ROFL
[02:35] <Hobbsee> [22:20]  <Hobbsee> :D
[02:37] <imbrandon> hahha
[02:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: are you seeing the bugs at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/j2se1.4-i586/+bugs ?  seems that you're the maintainer
[02:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've uploaded kmformat thanks
[02:51] <imbrandon> Riddell: oh cool, i forgot about that , heh
[02:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  HUH /me hasent touched that i dont think /me looks
[02:52] <imbrandon> oh wow , ok
[02:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you're listed as the maintainer and the creator :P
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:52] <imbrandon> 'well i'm not the maintainer but i'm the last uploader
[02:52] <imbrandon> Current release:  1.4.2.02-1ubuntu4
[02:52] <imbrandon> Creator: Brandon Holtsclaw
[02:52] <imbrandon> Maintainer: Blackdown Packagers
[02:52] <imbrandon> but i'll look at them after breakfast
[02:53] <imbrandon> 
[02:53] <imbrandon> ( and that was for the dh_iconcache transition, i know little about that package tbh )
[02:53] <imbrandon> heh
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right...
[02:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy reviewing Prezu's package?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seems that package should be axed anyway - see -bugs
[03:27] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-devel
[03:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: heh check this ....
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:25]  <imbrandon> i can see the screenshots now , linux/kde running mol osx running konsole & virtualpc running windows runing konsole
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:25]  <RangerRick> haha
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:25]  <RangerRick> that would rock
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:25]  <RangerRick> in a horrible, disgusting kind of way
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:25]  <RangerRick> :)
[03:31] <imbrandon> ^^ talking about kde4 on osx
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <imbrandon> ahhh oxgyen goodness kwwii you rock 
[03:32] <n8k99> oh dear gawd! 
[03:32] <imbrandon> heya n8k99
[03:33] <n8k99> hey: i had great trouble with amarok 142 on my tibook
[03:33] <n8k99> had to go back to 141
[03:33] <imbrandon> from me ? on dapper or edgy ?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> define "great trouble"
[03:33] <n8k99> dapper 
[03:33] <n8k99> when i tried to run it, my cpu went 100% and nothing happened for over half an hour
[03:34] <imbrandon> where did you get it from and what version ( i updated 2 times since i uploaded but higher version so it should have upgraded )
[03:34] <n8k99> had to killall in yakuake
[03:34] <n8k99> tried to run a debug but did not see that option under amarok --help
[03:34] <imbrandon> did you try to run it from console and see if there was any errors ?
[03:35] <n8k99> yeah and there was just a blank space added beneath the line where I entered the command
[03:35] <imbrandon> how big is your music collection by chance ?
[03:35] <imbrandon> i'm still assuming you grabed my version
[03:35] <imbrandon> ( that is exactly the same as edgy's )
[03:36] <n8k99> yeah grabbed your version - i have 15G on a separate partition
[03:36] <imbrandon> ahh ntfs by chance ?
[03:37] <n8k99> ntfs - that's the apple journalling (journalling is turned off)
[03:37] <imbrandon> you mean hpfs+ ? ( thats apple ) ntfs is windows
[03:37] <imbrandon> s/windows/windows-nt or above
[03:37] <n8k99> no then that partition is hpfs
[03:38] <n8k99> so that i can use itunes whenever im in osx
[03:38] <n8k99> or amarok in kubuntu
[03:38] <imbrandon> ahh ok i know there was an issue with ntfs , might be the same with hpfs too, its in svn , i'll have a look at it and see if the patch will apply later
[03:38] <n8k99> ok kool
[03:39] <imbrandon> i just happen to have an ibook i can test it on too LOL
[03:39] <imbrandon> i'll just have to load dapper but thats no biggie, i have a free 8gig partition i think
[03:39] <n8k99> i'm seriously considering getting rid of the 20 G partition for osx and running a straight linux laptop
[03:40] <imbrandon> n8k99: check out my new toy for the day ( still trying to get it to run right but i got some help )
[03:40] <imbrandon> [08:32]  <n8k99> oh dear gawd!
[03:40] <imbrandon> errr
[03:40] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde-osx.png
[03:40] <n8k99> but have yet to figure out a stradegy to no lose data from /home/nathan
[03:40] <imbrandon> tar it up and ftp it somewhere 
[03:41] <imbrandon> you should always have a backup on cd/dvd or something anyhow heh
[03:41] <n8k99> can i do  that with ark?
[03:41] <imbrandon> sure , but i'm more conftrable with the command line , but with ark make sure you have "show hidden files" on
[03:41] <n8k99> imbrandon_: wait a sec - is that kde being installed from .dmg on osx?
[03:41] <imbrandon> n8k99: yea kde4 to be exact 
[03:42] <imbrandon> and its from a .mpkg extracted from a .dmg 
[03:42] <n8k99> imbrandon_: that is totally sick!! does that mean all the great apps i love and enjoy will run natively on osx?
[03:42] <imbrandon> hahahaha not quite yet, but its getting close
[03:42] <imbrandon> kdebase barely compiles/runs
[03:43] <n8k99> hmmm.... i may not delete that partition after all ;)
[03:43] <imbrandon> as of right now but near the release of kde4 yea
[03:43] <imbrandon> kde4 is much more windows/osx friendly from what i've been told 
[03:43] <imbrandon> but dont give up your kubuntu install heh
[03:44] <n8k99> nice - oh don't worry about that
[03:45] <n8k99> i'll be at the UN tomorrow with Og Marciel and wearing my Kubuntu golf shirt
[03:45] <imbrandon> n8k99: here is konqueror running from the guy who made the binarys http://ranger.befunk.com/gallery2/v/misc/screenshots/konqueror-20060826.png.html
[03:45] <n8k99> as we demonstrate Ubuntu to all the tech staff there
[03:45] <imbrandon> s/ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:45] <imbrandon> 
[03:46] <imbrandon> now if i can get konversation to run on osx i would scream like a 12 year old girl
[03:47] <imbrandon> i hate osx irc apps
[03:47] <n8k99> i use fire - oh wait that's not irc nevermind
[03:47] <imbrandon> n8k99: btw i sent Riddell those images we made , he will probably package / upload them sometime today or soonish
[03:48] <n8k99> imbrandon_: so does konqi act like a file manaager in osx?
[03:48] <imbrandon> i'm still on the installing stage, but i would guess so
[03:48] <imbrandon> that konq screenie is from the packager
[03:48] <n8k99> imbrandon_: that's great, I have a version from the kde that is .xcf and has all the different layers so that you just export the one you want
[03:48] <imbrandon> i'll know in about ~20 minutes
[03:49] <imbrandon> n8k99: nice
[03:49] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:49] <n8k99> hi
[03:49] <imbrandon> mind shooting me a copy in email ? imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[03:49] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[03:52] <n8k99> on its way
[03:52] <n8k99> there are two .xcf that cover the major stuff
[03:52] <n8k99> there's a whole nother directory of slices I have yet to deal with
[03:55] <imbrandon> heh
[03:56] <n8k99> erm, i sent two .xcf to you that i have 'fixed' there is another directory of little slices that need the color correction
[03:56] <n8k99> i have yet to sort them out
[04:05] <Riddell> yuriy: have you submitted your code for review to _Sime?
[04:05] <Riddell> _Sime: do you know that final mentor questionnaires are up?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Prezu: which package?
[04:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: I think Prezu is hunting somebody for this one: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2968
[04:19] <Hobbsee> right
[04:19] <Hobbsee> well, one of them
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: ack, i'm not touching that.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: [00:48]  <Jucato> Hobbsee: when will the official announcement for Amarok 1.4.2 be posted in Kubuntu.org?
[04:49] <Riddell> when I copy over imbrandon's packages I guess
[04:49] <jjesse> well then get on it :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> Riddell: they ahve all be updated to 1.4.2-0ubuntu2 and compiled for all 3 arches including the libs too
[04:50] <imbrandon> Riddell: just fyi ^^ 
[04:50] <imbrandon> s/be/been
[04:50] <Riddell> thanks
[04:51] <imbrandon> and tested by quite a few users too so i think their solid 
[04:51] <imbrandon> lol i have been getting lots of comments and mail  hehe
[04:52] <imbrandon> its that what  shows up as ?
[04:52] <Riddell> yes
[04:52] <imbrandon> heh its a unicode smile
[04:53] <Riddell> fun
[04:53] <imbrandon> it shows up in everything but irssi afaik
[04:53] <n8k99> i think it's cute ^_-
[04:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: stolen from Seveas, yes
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's mind control.
[04:54] <imbrandon> yea i stole that from Seveas and    ( musical notes for Riddell )
[04:54] <imbrandon> i have a regext that replaces them when i type lol
[04:54] <jjesse> wow
[04:55] <imbrandon> s/t//
[04:55] <imbrandon> oh kopete 0.12.2 is uploaded to my dapper pool too Riddell if you wanna add that also ( upto you )
[04:56] <imbrandon> it has been approved i thought ( along with amarok )
[04:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/ if you dident have the link handy
[04:57] <imbrandon> broke into sub dirs for easy access to only single app's
[04:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: indeed.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: guess we're just waiting on the archive to process more
[04:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea and afaik keybuk is off today
[04:58] <imbrandon> dunno whom else does it
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kamion
[05:00] <Hobbsee> who is also off
[05:00] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[05:00] <Hobbsee> there's nothing time-critical in it
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh well one of them "k"'s in -core-dev hahaha
[05:01] <danimo> moin!
[05:01] <imbrandon> heya danimo
[05:01] <danimo> hi imbrandon
[05:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: huh?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:01] <danimo> does anyone else have problems with knetworkmanager and the wallet?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes, apparently that was supposed to be fixed in svn, months ago
[05:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: was jokin about "k"amoin and "k"eybuk
[05:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i got it eventually :)
[05:02] <fdoving> danimo: i have problems with knetworkmanager, won't work with bcm43xx anymore. 
[05:02] <imbrandon> ahhh new upload by ranger rick, brb afk
[05:02] <Hobbsee> fdoving: problem with networkmanager.  known, too
[05:02] <n8k99> imbrandon: just don't change to kimbrandon
[05:02] <imbrandon> n8k99: heh
[05:02] <imbrandon> no cahnce
[05:02] <imbrandon> chance
[05:03] <n8k99> that would be sort of creepy in a talladega-nights-way
[05:04] <Hobbsee> danimo: this bug?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/48225
[05:04] <Ubug2> Malone bug 48225 in knetworkmanager "KnetworkManager doesn't save the WPA Key unless Kwallet is installed and configured" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[05:04] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yeah, i confirmed a bug a few days ago... about knetworkmanager and bcm43xx.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> also see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/57739
[05:04] <Ubug2> Malone bug 57739 in knetworkmanager "please backport 0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1 to dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:04] <danimo> Hobbsee: looking..
[05:05] <Hobbsee> danimo: particularly the bug off that
[05:06] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, that's the bug
[05:06] <danimo> (the one referenced from the backport request)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah....
[05:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: and suspend is broken :(
[05:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: not sure if this is due to the fact that I swiched to guidance
[05:09] <Hobbsee> danimo: try calling /etc/acpi/suspend.sh or whatever iti s
[05:09] <Hobbsee> then try with a GUI
[05:10] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think I did that
[05:10] <danimo> Hobbsee: funny thing is: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:10] <Hobbsee> what happens when it doesnt?
[05:10] <danimo> it just locks up on resume
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:11] <danimo> another annoying thing is that ubuntu's suspend (and grub specifically) ever since has problems with reiserfs
[05:11] <Hobbsee> oh man...it's 1am again, and i'm awake...
[05:11] <jjesse> go to bed Hobbsee
[05:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: it's 5pm and I feel dead
[05:11] <danimo> Hobbsee: got a nice cold
[05:11] <jjesse> its 11:11 and i'm ready for lunch :)
[05:11] <n8k99> man, it's 11:11am and i want to go to bed
[05:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:13] <danimo> whenever the computer resumes, it tells me that my filesystem is corrupt and that I should start in safe mode
[05:13] <danimo> which is stupid
[05:14] <danimo> btw: did anyone try upstart already?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> danimo: Lure has
[05:14] <Lure> danimo: you have problem with knetworkmanager on Edgy?
[05:14] <danimo> Lure: yes
[05:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: woot konversation 1.0rc1 out, making packages now ( and uvf )
[05:15] <Lure> danimo: for me it works nicelly after recent update of both knm and kwallet
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be your opinion in starting kde with a saved session of a few apps (like katapult, etc), rather than the default "everything that's ever been opened but hasnt quite died yet" as we currently do
[05:15] <danimo> Lure: ok...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice!
[05:15] <danimo> Lure: how is upstart?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: i was still having to enter my passphrase in tonight.  *shrug*
[05:15] <Lure> danimo: it just works
[05:15] <Lure> danimo: but no improvement yet, as it basicallly just mimics init for now
[05:15] <danimo> Lure: do you know solaris' smf framework?
[05:15] <Lure> danimo: shutdown is faster, but Keybuk said that this is due to bug.
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I mostly like the saved session, but it can also be a hassle right enough
[05:16] <danimo> hehe
[05:16] <Lure> danimo: not really 
[05:16] <danimo> Lure: http://www.sebastian-kirsch.org/moebius/docs/smf.pdf
[05:16] <Lure> danimo: Keybuk has evil plan to use upstart already for Knot2, which I think would be great
[05:16] <danimo> Lure: it's really interesting
[05:17] <Lure> danimo: the fun part will begin when rcS will get replaced with real upstart events
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.  it's easy enough to change.  well, it isnt, but it should be, i suspect.  it's more of a question of what's a sane default
[05:17] <Lure> danimo: thanks - will read through it in the evening
[05:17] <danimo> Lure: the most facinating concept are contracts: a kernel concept that groups up certain processes
[05:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: really? I just had to do it once after reinstall, from then on it is working w/o
[05:18] <danimo> Lure: so you can go and say: I want to log all stdout from all apps from a specific contract into this specific file, including detached daemon processes
[05:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think it is easy to change
[05:18] <danimo> Lure: that is not possible with linux as it is
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  it's under the advanced settings, unless i'm missing it
[05:19] <Hobbsee> in SS
[05:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: I would agree that save session might be a problem for newcomers, however I also like it
[05:20] <Lure> ;-)
[05:20] <danimo> Lure: who did you say is in charge of that?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: true.  worth thinking about.
[05:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: +1 - it is somehow hidden where to change that. I would preffer to have checkbox "Save current session" on Logout dialog
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: i lost some of my config settings (yes, again, dont ask)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: +2 even better.  start with a predefined saved session, then give the option for "save current session"
[05:21] <Hobbsee> although then on subsequent boots, the same session starts up
[05:21] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, with default is Off ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, which makes it much faste.r
[05:22] <danimo> Lure: what are you changing there?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: cool.  worth thinking on
[05:23] <Lure> danimo:  Keybuk is the guy for upstart
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: and besides, it's edgy.  we can play with the defaults
[05:23] <Lure> danimo: adding Suspend/Hibernate with HAL buttons
[05:23] <Hobbsee> and i'd like to hear people saying "kde feels faster on kubuntu at startup"
[05:23] <danimo> Lure: currently not online
[05:23] <danimo> Lure: ah, cool. is that portable?
[05:23] <Lure> danimo: he is from UK and they have public holiday
[05:23] <danimo> Lure: ah, ok
[05:24] <Lure> danimo: I hope it will be portable to any Linux with proper HAL/dbus support
[05:24] <Lure> danimo: I just hate HAL/dbus APIs (would preffer nice C++ interface)
[05:25] <danimo> Lure: yes
[05:25] <danimo> Lure: well, if we could #ifdef HAL this, we could put it into 3.5 branch
[05:26] <Lure> danimo: I am no KDE devel, so it is Riddell's call what to push upstream
[05:26] <danimo> Lure: I can push it, too
[05:26] <Lure> danimo: I can add some additional #ifdef's just to be ready though
[05:26] <danimo> Lure: that'd be great
[05:27] <Lure> danimo: hopefully I can hack something - it will be similar as mbiebl did for powersave: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave#head-ad7d472db3598a4e26e2854d975e69be09f94cb6
[05:28] <Lure> just that I will add two standard buttons - depending on what system supports (Suspend/Hibernate)
[05:29] <Lure> it would be done yesterday if I would manage to call HAL Suspend/Hibernate method
[05:29] <imbrandon> HAHAHAHAH IT LIVES !! , screenshot / blog time
[05:30] <danimo> imbrandon: what?
[05:30] <imbrandon> danimo: one sec, you'll see 
[05:30] <danimo> Lure: hmm, but that will crowd the dialog a lot
[05:31] <danimo> imbrandon: you're abusing utf8 chars for smileys? ugh :)
[05:31] <Lure> danimo: true, but having one button with drop down is not much better...
[05:31] <danimo> prolly
[05:31] <Riddell> Lure: it's not a holiday in this country
[05:32] <Lure> Riddell: isn't today some public holiday in UK (bank holiday was just a joke for Hobbsee)
[05:32] <Riddell> Lure: I believe a holiday in some countries in the UK but not my one
[05:33] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:33] <_Sime> Riddell: thanks, I was looking for that SoC page yesterday, but I just couldn't find it.
[05:33] <_Sime> Riddell: I knew that it was time for _something_. ;-)
[05:34] <danimo> imbrandon: heh, the suse guys didn't know what suse stands for?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: you cant hide.
[05:34] <imbrandon> lol nope
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: you can try though :P
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bye Lure :)
[05:34] <Lure> bye
[05:37] <jjesse> just upgrading test dapper box to edgy :)
[05:38] <imbrandon> danimo: i told you it lives http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde4-osx.png   ( Riddell Hobbsee and anyone else too ) heh
[05:38] <Hobbsee> really this time.  i think
[05:39] <imbrandon> heh
[05:39] <danimo> imbrandon: ah, nice :)
[05:41] <fdoving> what's going to be the default powermanager for edgy? powersaved?
[05:46] <danimo> imbrandon: can you screenshot kpat, pls?
[05:47] <imbrandon> kpat ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> is it included in kdebase ?
[05:47] <imbrandon> danimo: ^^
[05:47] <danimo> imbrandon: no, kdegames
[05:48] <imbrandon> ahh kdebase is all thats compiled so far, i'll compile more here in a bit
[05:48] <danimo> imbrandon: but should look fancy
[05:48] <kwwii> re
[05:48] <imbrandon> kdelibs kdebase kdepimlibs qt
[05:48] <imbrandon> kwwii: have a look at the url i just posted ;P
[05:49] <kwwii> hehe
[05:49] <kwwii> been a while since I have seen kde running in osx
[05:49] <imbrandon> heh kde4
[05:50] <imbrandon> rangerrick said there is some libpng issues thus the colors are funny some spots
[05:50] <imbrandon> but its comming along
[05:50] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:50] <imbrandon> well libpng on ppc to be exact
[05:51] <imbrandon> sucks you have to start dbus manualy and run the kdeapp from the same session but its getting put into launchd now
[05:51] <imbrandon> to make it osxified
[05:52] <fdoving> osx sucks.
[05:52] <fdoving> (i'm diplomatic,right?).
[05:52] <imbrandon> lol
[05:55] <kwwii> actually, having konqueror in osx would be really nice
[05:58] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: URL?
[05:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: for ?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> I don't know I logged in and saw something about a URL that apparently the rest of this discussion is based on
[06:00] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: ahh http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde4-osx.png
[06:00] <freeflying> imbrandon: cool
[06:01] <imbrandon> freeflying: ;P
[06:01] <imbrandon> ok off to update konversation
[06:03] <freeflying> imbrandon: konversation under mac?
[06:03] <imbrandon> no under edgy , 1.0rc1 was just released
[06:04] <imbrandon> but i'll compile it for mac too sometimes, just not today
[06:04] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Changelog?
[06:04] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: probaby on the konversation website 
[06:04] <imbrandon> 'ello jdong_
[06:05] <jdong_> hello, imbrandon
[06:21] <danimo> kwwii: and it never looked that native :)
[06:21] <danimo> though there is still a long way to go I guess
[06:27] <kwwii> danimo: true, but I am talking about the functionality more than the looks :-)
[06:27] <kwwii> konqueror is my favorite ftp browser ;-)
[06:27] <danimo> kwwii: bah, functionality is only for those who are unaffacted by the blending shine of fancy stuff :)
[06:28] <kwwii> :p
[06:28] <danimo> kwwii: i.e. pragmatists
[06:28] <danimo> imbrandon: how's compilation going?
[06:29] <fdoving> where did the close-tab-button-where-site-icon-is-hack go? 
[06:31] <imbrandon> danimo: of? hehe i got 4 or 5 things going
[06:31] <kwwii> now that I have my wlan card in my laptop running, I will stick to linux :-)
[06:32] <imbrandon> heheh
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Wow that's ugly
[06:32] <imbrandon> i need a bigger hdd for my lappy fo i can confortably keep osx and kubuntu on there
[06:32] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: what is ?
[06:32] <danimo> imbrandon: oh, yeah, kde4
[06:32] <DaSkreech> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-08-27/files/sleek_mockup.png
[06:33] <danimo> DaSkreech: well, it's real code
[06:33] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: its a MOCKUP
[06:33] <danimo> DaSkreech: if it was a mockup, it would look pretty for sure, but it's the very first implementation
[06:33] <danimo> DaSkreech: making it shiny comes alter :)
[06:33] <danimo> imbrandon: but one in code afaik
[06:33] <danimo> imbrandon: no?
[06:34] <imbrandon> yea
[06:35] <imbrandon> kwwii: did i tell you how much i love oxgyen icons today 
[06:35] <imbrandon> heh
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know.. but the app is called sleek 
[06:35] <danimo> DaSkreech: and it will be :)
[06:36] <imbrandon> danimo: i dunno i put the kde4 compile on hold ~1 hour while i compiled the new konvo
[06:36] <danimo> ah, ok
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah. kwwii when are the sys tray size ones going to be done? Cause I think other than Solid Oxygen is the furthest along in it's implementation. You have a huge amount of work to redo all those icons though :)
[06:36] <danimo> DaSkreech: not everyone has his own kwwii for pretty mockups :)
[06:36] <imbrandon> heh
[06:37] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: tray size? just have the script generate smaller icons from the svg's , they look fine in my tray
[06:38] <DaSkreech> danimo: Understood :) He just went on for while as to how nicely it'll integrate and nice it will be. No Disclaimer with this first draft is kind of rough
[06:38] <kwwii> DaSkreech: we are working on them now, we actually render the small sizes from a different svg (but you have to turn that function on in the script which renders them)
[06:38] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: I remember them saying they would build a smaller svg
[06:38] <danimo> kwwii: will you stay with the brown folders finally?
[06:38] <imbrandon> BLUE FOLDERS ftw
[06:38] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: see? :-)
[06:38] <kwwii> we have already started making smaller size icons, lots more to com
[06:38] <kwwii> danimo: no idea, there is a mixed response to both blue and brown
[06:39] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: thats exactly what i just said ( just diffrently )
[06:39] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Anything but blue folders for the impression win
[06:39] <danimo> kwwii: how about purple? ;)
[06:39] <imbrandon> kwwii: how about all 3  and pink 
[06:39] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: He just said a different svg. So they would have to rebuild
[06:39] <imbrandon> hehehe
[06:39] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I was wondering where the bouncing icon would come from
[06:39] <imbrandon> [11:37]  <imbrandon> DaSkreech: tray size? just have the script generate smaller icons from the svg's 
[06:40] <kozz> kwwii: is it possible to make the menu button in kdm wider? feel a bit tight now. Otherwise, I like the theme.
[06:40] <imbrandon> i dident say WHAT svg's
[06:40] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: :-P ftw :)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> -_-
[06:43] <imbrandon> you and your obsession with changelogs
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I like changelogs
[06:44] <jjesse> what version of kde is edgy at right now
[06:44] <imbrandon> 3.5.4
[06:44] <DaSkreech> 3.5.5 comes out Nov?
[06:44] <danimo> DaSkreech: yes, about that time
[06:44] <jjesse> is that the same version as dapper?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Possibly
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Not default Dapper
[06:44] <imbrandon> 3.5.2 is dapper default
[06:45] <imbrandon> but kubuntu.org has 3.5.4 dapper packages
[06:45] <imbrandon> that many use
[06:45] <imbrandon> ( and 3.5.3 for that matter )
[06:46] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: it alerts me to fixes to really annoying problems that made me stop using a feature months ago and to new hidden stuff to wow the folks in my office who use Gnome :)
[06:47] <imbrandon> then you want the upstream changelogs not the ones in adept
[06:47] <imbrandon> silly
[06:47] <DaSkreech> No If there are a bunch of updates I didn't go looking for. I want to know what changed
[06:47] <jjesse> thanks for answering my question
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Stuff like popularity contest and Launchpad ding my radar when they get updated and I have no idea what they do
[06:50] <imbrandon> they have other outlets to let you know their updates , you are 1 in 1000 that read a changelog let along a debian changelog ( unless you are maintaing the package )
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Ctrl-Q :_)
[06:53] <imbrandon>  /kick works good too
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Cause I want to read Changelogs?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> That's very Unkde-ish of you :)
[06:54] <imbrandon> becosue you are now being a troll since i ask that we drop this 
[06:55] <DaSkreech> I'm not pushing the convo anymore :( I want kwwii to log back in so I can find out if they are going to use the same SVGs for the bouncing icon
[06:56] <kwwii_> huh?
[06:56] <kwwii_> the bouncing icons are done by kde, not a special file
[06:56] <kwwii_> you mean on the cursor, or?
[06:56] <kwwii_> I hate those things
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Yeah on the cursor when you start an app
[06:57] <DaSkreech> I used to I don't mind them anymore
[06:57] <kwwii_> the first thing I turn off
[06:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:58] <imbrandon> i never even notice them hardly
[06:59] <DaSkreech> kwwii_: Those would be from the same SVG for the systray?
[07:01] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: I guess those are 16x16 whereas the systray uses 22x22
[07:07] <imbrandon> ugh i hate bash
[07:13] <imbrandon> ok forgive my bash un-l33t skillz but wth is this doing ? "  for i in [^n] *.3; do mv $$i mtp_$$i; done  "
[07:13] <imbrandon> brb more mt dew
[07:17] <fdoving> [^n]  is anything but 'n'
[07:17] <trappist> * means 0 or more times
[07:17] <fdoving> if that's what you're thinking about.
[07:17] <trappist> . means one character
[07:18] <imbrandon> yea trappist yea i know .*
[07:18] <trappist> but it's *. :)
[07:18] <imbrandon> well yea , heh but you get the point
[07:18] <trappist> so you're matching 0 or more not-n's
[07:18] <imbrandon> i thought ^ was the beging 
[07:19] <imbrandon> of a line
[07:19] <imbrandon> or file name in this case
[07:19] <fdoving> not when it's first in a braced expressioon.
[07:19] <trappist> imbrandon: depends on context.  in brackets it's a not operator.
[07:19] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:19] <trappist> right, when it's first
[07:19] <imbrandon> ok , see thats why i hate regex lol
[07:19] <trappist> <3 regex
[07:20] <imbrandon> basicly i have to un-bashize this from a rules file  .....
[07:20] <imbrandon> cd doc/man/man3 && \
[07:20] <imbrandon>                 rm -f _* *.[ch] .3 && \
[07:20] <imbrandon>                 for i in [^n] *.3; do mv $$i mtp_$$i; done
[07:20] <imbrandon> 
[07:20] <trappist> but, does bash use regexes like that?  I thought you could only use glob expressions there
[07:21] <imbrandon> that works in bash but not dash, dash == ubuntu , bash == debian , see the problem heh
[07:21] <imbrandon> i hate it when they do that
[07:21] <trappist> looks like it does work
[07:21] <trappist> yeah I don't like the move to dash
[07:21] <imbrandon> yea in bash, but not in a bin/sh shelll ( dash )
[07:22] <imbrandon> that the debian/rules runs in
[07:22] <imbrandon> ;P
[07:22] <imbrandon> ls -l /bin/sh
[07:22] <imbrandon> its dash
[07:22] <fdoving> why? 
[07:22] <fdoving> bash rocks.
[07:23] <imbrandon> i dunno , ask the ubuntu god's heh 
[07:23] <imbrandon> i just know it is
[07:23] <imbrandon> ;P
[07:23] <imbrandon> hehehhe
[07:23] <trappist> dash is smaller
[07:23] <fdoving> so, now we need to builddepend on bash for all packages.
[07:23] <imbrandon> fdoving: no its always been that way, we just change the rules to un-bashize them
[07:23] <trappist> won't it use the default shell even if bash is installed?
[07:23] <imbrandon> trappist: exactly
[07:24] <trappist> I'd sure rather rethink the move to dash
[07:24] <trappist> apt-cache show dash even suggests it's not a great idea
[07:24] <imbrandon> as i said i just follow policy, ask the ubuntu god's at the next TB meeting 
[07:24] <DaSkreech> trappist: Any docs on the dash move?
[07:25] <trappist> DaSkreech: I was just about to look for some
[07:25] <DaSkreech> cool
[07:26] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: probably way back when ubuntu was formed, its been this way since the beging
[07:26] <imbrandon> e.g grep the irc logs for tb meetings
[07:26] <DaSkreech> See if we could just fix that stupid bug one we could get on to the other stuff :-(
[07:27] <trappist> I see a reference to a relevant spec, but I haven't found the spec yet
[07:27] <imbrandon> and that has what do do with DaSkreech ?
[07:27] <trappist> dash-as-bin-sh
[07:27] <imbrandon> moins toma
[07:28] <toma> ola imbrandon
[07:29] <fdoving> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[07:29] <trappist> awesome
[07:30] <fdoving> after reading it it's OK, after all :)
[07:31] <trappist> yeah, it won't break anything
[07:31] <trappist> *whew*
[07:32] <imbrandon> trappist: its been this way for a LONG LONG time , so if it was gonna break it would have by now 
[07:32] <imbrandon> thats what i was trying to tell you 
[07:32] <trappist> oh you mean in edgy?
[07:32] <imbrandon> yes
[07:33] <trappist> something in the debian build scripts is using /bin/sh then?
[07:33] <nixternal_> klipper == broke
[07:33] <jjesse> hmm should have done a snapshot of my vmware session before i tried to upgrade to edgy from dapper, can't get pass "starting periodic command scheduler. ok"
[07:33] <imbrandon> trappist: only every single thing
[07:33] <jjesse> wont get pass the test splash screen :(
[07:34] <trappist> jjesse: I had that.  lemme try to remember how I fixed it.
[07:34] <trappist> oh, I upgraded xorg again
[07:34] <jjesse> hmm how did you get to the point you could upgrade to xorg?
[07:34] <nixternal_> you need to set "nosplash" on /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:35] <trappist> and I had to use the vmware-tools from vmware server
[07:35] <trappist> jjesse: I just booted to a recovery console to do the upgrade
[07:35] <nixternal_> the new high-res test screen doesn't work in vmware..or didn't last i checked
[07:35] <jjesse> stupid me forgot about the recovery mode :(
[07:35] <trappist> nixternal_: it doesn't break anything for me, it just looks really ugly
[07:36] <nixternal_> really..i know one time i nstalled edgy into vmware and it would stop right b4 the test splash actually
[07:36] <trappist> jjesse: vmware-tools does not like xorg 7.1
[07:36] <trappist> nixternal_: me too, but an apt-get grade installed a new xorg core and fixed it
[07:37] <trappist> for me
[07:37] <nixternal_> ahh..so i can probably get rid of the "nosplash" then
[07:37] <jjesse> trappist: i don't have vmware tools installed
[07:37] <jjesse> hmm lots of packages kept back
[07:37] <jjesse> only example-content and app=install-data were upgraded this time 
[07:38] <nixternal_> dist-upgrade to get the rest
[07:38] <trappist> jjesse: just letting you know in advance.  trying to install them will probably kill the network, then abort, so you might want to see about getting newer tools out of vmware server
[07:38] <jjesse> nixternal_: am doing a dist-upgrad
[07:38] <jjesse> trappist: i've been running this vm w/o the tools so far :)
[07:38] <nixternal_> interesting
[07:38] <trappist> nixternal_: on mine, I can do dist-upgrades all day as packages replace each other back and forth
[07:38] <nixternal_> ya, same here
[07:39] <trappist> jjesse: yeah but that kinda sucks :) it runs a lot nicer with the tools
[07:43] <danimo> imbrandon: where can I get your kde4 debug packages btw?
[07:44] <imbrandon> for ?
[07:44] <imbrandon> edgy ?
[07:44] <imbrandon> or osx ?
[07:45] <danimo> imbrandon: edgy :)
[07:45] <danimo> wow, prettiest rainbow ever!
[07:45] <imbrandon> heh they arent built fully yet, i will post a blog entry when i upload them
[07:46] <danimo> ok
[07:46] <danimo> and the os x ones?
[07:46] <imbrandon> at that url i posted a while ago
[07:46] <imbrandon> http://ranger.users.finkproject.org/kde/
[07:47] <danimo> ah
[07:47] <danimo> imbrandon: too bad I don't have OS X.
[07:47] <imbrandon> 
[07:49] <danimo> imbrandon: is that intel or power btw?
[07:49] <imbrandon> both ( screenshots of mine are ppc )
[07:50] <imbrandon> they are universal bin's
[07:50] <imbrandon> i'm gonna try to compile some other apps later tonight ( LATE ) when i get caught up
[07:51] <imbrandon> trying to push out konversation 1.0 right now and get libmtp in shape
[07:51] <imbrandon> then i'll mess with kde4 some more
[07:52] <trappist> I was trying to bet a backtrace for #24286 but the crash isn't reproducible with freshly built kdepim-dbg :/
[07:52] <imbrandon> danimo: btw you can talk to the kde - osx guy in #kde-darwin ( he also maintains the fink packages )
[07:53] <danimo> imbrandon: I don't even have a mac :)
[07:53] <danimo> imbrandon: I just care
[07:53] <imbrandon> heh ahh ok
[07:54] <jjesse> ok new problem, i edited the boot for nospalsh and now i don't kde to come up, just the terminal
[07:55] <jjesse> should be just a startx correct?
[07:55] <toma> nvidia drivers dont work in edgy?
[07:56] <imbrandon> toma: not the binary ones, l-r-m hasent been rebuilt with the brand new ones for xorg 7.1
[07:58] <toma> imbrandon: okido, do you know if hand compiled ones work?
[07:58] <imbrandon> should ( some people say they do , but i dunno personaly )
[07:59] <toma> oki, enough to try it
[07:59] <imbrandon> you need the new ones from the nvidia site though thats for sure
[07:59] <toma> oki
[08:00] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know where the link color for katapult is set?
[08:01] <kwwii> Riddell: it does not use the color scheme, so it must be hard coded somewhere
[08:01] <kwwii> I tried grepping for it, but to no avail
[08:03] <jjesse> Riddell: i had to install the package "kubuntu-desktop" in order to get things working on an edgy upgrade from dapper
[08:03] <jjesse> kwwii: i love the color scheme for edgy :)
[08:05] <Tonio_> heya
[08:06] <kwwii> jjesse: cool, good to hear that
[08:07] <jjesse> i like how it looks a lot :)
[08:18] <tvo> kwwii: katapult/common/imagedisplay.cpp:211:   painter.setPen(QColor(16, 48, 254));
[08:19] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[08:20] <danimo> tvo: outch
[08:21] <tvo> yeah, pretty bad, I know, I didn't write it ;)
[08:22] <toma> imbrandon: for the next person who asks: works ok
[08:23] <danimo> so who patches it?
[08:23] <imbrandon> toma: okies
[08:24] <imbrandon> tvo: wow , hardcoded
[08:25] <danimo> anyone interested in a fix? :)
[08:25] <imbrandon> danimo: send me a patch i'll make sure it gets in
[08:26] <imbrandon> but poke upstream too if you would LOL
[08:26] <imbrandon> oh 
[08:26] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:26] <danimo> tvo: so you got a fix already?
[08:27] <tvo> no.. I never touched that part of the code and there's not been really much development lately
[08:27] <danimo> "painter.setPen(colorGroup().color(QColorGroup::Link));"
[08:27] <imbrandon> k
[08:27] <danimo> tvo: that should do (untested though)
[08:28] <danimo> tvo: just apply it so kwwii has his peace :)
[08:28] <danimo> if it compiles, it should also work
[08:28] <tvo> if it works I'll commit it now we got our vcs stuff finally sorted out :o
[08:29] <imbrandon> konversation 1.0rc1 uploaded to my repo if anyone is intrested in testing it pre-1.0 ( aug 31st )
[08:30] <imbrandon> moins Mez
[08:31] <Mez> evening imbrandon
[08:31] <danimo> imbrandon: if it doesn't segfault like the nightly snap I tried recently...
[08:31] <imbrandon> heh nah that was fixed
[08:32] <imbrandon> the very next nigth actualy
[08:32] <danimo> imbrandon: do you know what it was btw?
[08:32] <danimo> imbrandon: url to rc1?
[08:32] <imbrandon> danimo: the deb line or the pool dir ?
[08:32] <danimo> imbrandon: deb line
[08:32] <Tonio_> danimo: heya
[08:32] <danimo> heya Tonio_
[08:33] <Tonio_> danimo: are deadkeys working for you ?
[08:33] <imbrandon> danimo: deb http://imbrandon.com/packages {dapper,edgy} konversation-nightly
[08:33] <danimo> Tonio_: still having problems with knm remembering wpa keys on startup/resume
[08:33] <Tonio_> danimo: hum......
[08:33] <danimo> Tonio_: was that supposed to be fixed?
[08:33] <Tonio_> lots of people have reporting this but I have never been able to reproduce this on any machine....
[08:33] <Tonio_> danimo: yes it is
[08:33] <Tonio_> 
[08:33] <Tonio_> works here
[08:34] <danimo> Tonio_: ok, maybe I still have package problems
[08:34] <Tonio_> danimo: are you up to date ?
[08:34] <danimo> Tonio_: what's the latest version in edgy?
[08:34] <danimo> I always forget the bot syntax
[08:35] <imbrandon> danimo: !info <pkg> edgy
[08:35] <danimo> !info knetworkmanager edgy
[08:36] <imbrandon> hahaha figures
[08:36] <danimo> imbrandon: bot down?
[08:36] <Seveas> hmm
[08:36] <danimo> anyway, brb, konvi update arrived
[08:36] <Seveas> bots are reconnecting according to screen
[08:36] <Seveas> but they time out
[08:37] <Seveas> nope, something fishy going on there
[08:37] <Seveas> INFO 2006-08-28T20:37:07 Connecting to irc.freenode.net:8001.
[08:37] <Seveas> WARNING 2006-08-28T20:37:20 Error connecting to irc.freenode.net:8001:
[08:37] <Seveas>         timeout: timed out
[08:37] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:37] <danimo> re
[08:38] <Seveas> same on port 6667
[08:38] <Seveas> ah, 6667 working again, ubotu will be right back
[08:38] <imbrandon> i'm on CALVINO try that one
[08:39] <Seveas> it's something stupid with supybot
[08:39] <Seveas> irssi works
[08:39] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:40] <imbrandon> btw who runs ubuntu-es , it answers to the same things ubugtu does ( kinda )
[08:41] <danimo> !info knetworkmanager edgy
[08:41] <danimo> still hates me
[08:41] <Seveas> no
[08:42] <Seveas> lag
[08:42] <Seveas> he is in a zillion channels
[08:42] <Seveas> joining them all ater connecting takes a while
[08:42] <danimo> Seveas: that's what you say ;)
[08:42] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 211 kB, installed size 1444 kB
[08:42] <imbrandon> wow
[08:42] <Tonio_> !info network-manager-kde
[08:42] <danimo> yeag, that's my version
[08:43] <Tonio_> just to see if proveides gives the same result here
[08:43] <danimo> Tonio_: is there a difference? I thought network-manager-kde was a redirect package
[08:43] <danimo> ah
[08:43] <Tonio_> danimo: it is, that's just for my curiosity
[08:43] <ubotu> Package network-manager-kde does not exist in any distro I know
[08:43] <Tonio_> ubotu: you definitly suck ;)
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you definitly suck ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <imbrandon> lol
[08:44] <Seveas> !info networkmanager-kde
[08:44] <ubotu> Package networkmanager-kde does not exist in any distro I know
[08:44] <Seveas> !info networkmanager-kde edgy
[08:44] <ubotu> Package networkmanager-kde does not exist in edgy
[08:44] <Seveas> hmm
[08:44] <jdong_> !info network-manager-kde edgy
[08:44] <ubotu> Package network-manager-kde does not exist in edgy
[08:44] <jdong_> :-/
[08:44] <jdong_> !info xfsprogs edgy
[08:44] <ubotu> xfsprogs: Utilities for managing the XFS filesystem. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.4-1build1 (edgy), package size 1072 kB, installed size 2836 kB
[08:45] <imbrandon> !info konversation edgy-imbrandon
[08:45] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component konversation\-nightly, is optional. Version 0.19-1.1ubuntu2+svn20060826 (edgy-imbrandon), package size 5755 kB, installed size 10608 kB
[08:45] <imbrandon> hehe hasent updated yet 
[08:45] <nixternal_> mmm konversation + /konsole == super groovy
[08:46] <imbrandon> nixternal_: i just uploaded 1.0rc1 update dodo
[08:46] <nixternal_> ooh, me /apt-gets
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea i love the /konsole command
[08:47] <imbrandon> and /cmd blah
[08:47] <imbrandon> like /cmd uname -a
[08:47] <imbrandon> Linux voyager 2.6.17-6-686 #2 SMP Fri Aug 11 22:09:15 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:47] <imbrandon> 
[08:47] <nixternal_> yes..i have used it in the past to fire up kwrite ;)
[08:47] <imbrandon> it spits the output into irc though
[08:47] <nixternal_> the speed of the archives have been a lil slow
[08:48] <jdong_> Linux laptop 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 03:13:28 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:48] <jdong_> cool
[08:48] <nixternal_> [13:48:27]  [DCOP]  Error: Command @ARGV doesn't exist!
[08:48] <jdong_> didn't know that
[08:48] <jdong_> nixternal_: _A BIT_ slow? :)
[08:48] <nixternal_> thats the only thing it spits out for kwrite ;)
[08:48] <nixternal_> heh
[08:48] <nixternal_> _A LOTTA BIT_ slow ;)
[08:48] <nixternal_> hehe
[08:48] <jdong_> :)
[08:49] <nixternal_> yowsah, 14k down
[08:49] <nixternal_> hahaha imbrandon did /cmd something and it went to output
[08:49] <nixternal_> lol
[08:49] <nixternal_> which one did you try?
[08:50] <nixternal_> Linux MasTequila 2.6.17-6-k7 #2 SMP Fri Aug 11 22:11:15 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:50] <jdong_> hmm, /cmd find / ?
[08:50] <nixternal_> lol
[08:50] <nixternal_> that would definitely do it
[08:50] <jdong_> lol
[08:50] <Mez> lo jdong_
[08:50] <jdong_> please tell me there's flood protection built in :)
[08:50] <nixternal_> ooh, i know if i paste more than 1 line it pops up a warning, but i don't know about running command
[08:51] <jdong_> Mez: long time no see :)
[08:51] <imbrandon> woops
[08:51] <nixternal_> haha
[08:52] <nixternal_> which one did you try imbrandon?
[08:52] <imbrandon> heh /cmd apt-get update
[08:52] <kwwii> tvo: thanks for the info
[08:52] <kwwii> I will play with that
[08:52] <imbrandon> nixternal_: look in buntudot
[08:52] <nixternal_> actually, i don't think it does the flood alert...because /kdeversion prints 3 lines w/o warning
[08:52] <nixternal_> it didn't print anything to the channel imbrandon
[08:52] <jdong_> processor	: 0
[08:52] <jdong_> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
[08:52] <jdong_> cpu family	: 6
[08:52] <jdong_> model		: 9
[08:52] <jdong_> model name	: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1400MHz
[08:52] <jdong_> stepping	: 5
[08:52] <imbrandon> jdong_: apparently not
[08:52] <nixternal_> rofl
[08:52] <imbrandon> i just got kicked
[08:52] <jdong_> cpu MHz		: 1399.010
[08:52] <imbrandon> lol
[08:53] <jdong_> cache size	: 512 KB
[08:53] <jdong_> fdiv_bug	: no
[08:53] <nixternal_> ooh lag
[08:53] <jdong_> hlt_bug		: no
[08:53] <jdong_> f00f_bug	: no
[08:53] <nixternal_> lol
[08:53] <jdong_> coma_bug	: no
[08:53] <imbrandon> ok off to #flood jdong_
[08:53] <jdong_> fpu		: yes
[08:53] <jdong_> fpu_exception	: yes
[08:53] <jdong_> cpuid level	: 2
[08:53] <jdong_> wp		: yes
[08:53] <jdong_> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe
[08:53] <nixternal_> moderate the chan
[08:53] <nixternal_> lol
[08:53] <nixternal_> hahahahah
[08:53] <nixternal_> he is lagged out so bad right now it imight take him a few
[08:54] <nixternal_> imbrandon: /cmd kwrite is good and safe though
[08:54] <nixternal_> need to tweak it and make a variation that doens't print to the chan
[08:56] <jdong_> imbrandon: was just getting a few more pbuilders started
[08:56] <imbrandon> heh
[08:56] <nixternal_> hahaha
[08:56] <nixternal_> pwnd
[08:56] <imbrandon> just dont start them with /cmd 
[08:56] <jdong_> lol
[08:56] <jdong_> :)
[08:56] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[08:56] <nixternal_> no doubt, next time do /konsole first
[08:57] <DaSkreech> This is an echo test
[08:57] <jdong_> seriously, I think konversation needs flood protection on /cmd
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Well echo works
[08:57] <nixternal_> haha
[08:57] <imbrandon> ok #offtopic , this is getting a little much even for us 
[08:58] <nixternal_> i wonder if that would get me flood kicked -:>   /cmd cat ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/*.log
[08:58] <nixternal_> there is only 500+MB of logs
[08:58] <jdong_> wow, #kubuntu-devel is really laid back compared to #ubuntu-devel :)
[08:58] <imbrandon> jdong_: most of the time
[08:58] <jjesse> on an upgrade from dapper to edgy is there a reason a lot of python packages are held back
[08:58] <omeow> Nvidia driver 744, come to me!
[08:59] <jdong_> jjesse: does dist-upgrading to edgy actually work now?
[08:59] <jdong_> the last time I tried.... oh boy... that was fun
[08:59] <imbrandon> jjesse: just tell them to install
[08:59] <jjesse> jdong_: i had to install the package kubuntu-desktop to get x working correctly
[08:59] <jjesse> but otherwise it worked great
[08:59] <imbrandon> jdong_: i dist upgradeed every edgy box i have
[09:00] <jdong_> imbrandon: interesting... I tried one last week and rendered it unbootable
[09:00] <jdong_> maybe just bad timing on my part
[09:00] <jdong_> how's edgy's day-to-day stability now?
[09:00] <jdong_> it's "relatively late" in the development cycle, right? ;)
[09:00] <jjesse> and we all know purple rokcs
[09:01] <imbrandon> its about half way though and i've been using it day to day over a month
[09:01] <imbrandon> if not longer
[09:01] <tvo> kwwii: http://pastebin.ca/152356
[09:01] <jdong_> cool
[09:02] <jdong_> I might consider switching a box over to edgy
[09:02] <jdong_> if it actually works this time around :)
[09:03] <bddebian> jdong_: Well it works as long as you don't like X/wm :-)
[09:03] <imbrandon> lol
[09:03] <kwwii> tvo: cool, we should test it on different bgs to make sure that it works well
[09:03] <jdong_> bddebian: wonderful... I've used Gentoo before :)
[09:03] <kwwii> tvo: I made a new bg for katapult as well
[09:03] <bddebian> hehe
[09:03] <jdong_> wait, actually, I used ubuntu last week :D
[09:03] <imbrandon> dont make me op again 
[09:03] <jdong_> LOL
[09:04] <imbrandon> heh
[09:04] <kwwii> tvo: the problem now is that with white you cannot see the difference between the text you typed and the normal text
[09:04] <tvo> hm true
[09:05] <kwwii> it would be better to use a lighter blue and/or a light purple
[09:07] <tvo> I guess the "ultimate" solution would be to have it configurable in katapult, with maybe per-display defaults
[09:08] <kwwii> actually the best would be to have it switch color according to the average lightness of the desktop wallpaper :-)
[09:08] <imbrandon> heh i like configureable 
[09:09] <Lure> Riddell: do we have also size issue with kubuntu CDs? and should we include digikam?
[09:09] <imbrandon> auto never seems to work "just right"
[09:09] <kwwii> intelligent is better than configurable :-)
[09:10] <tvo> yeah, but I'm not sure if adding a desktop-background-color-averager doesn't count as code/feature bloat either :)
[09:10] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[09:10] <kwwii> artists love bloat
[09:10] <kwwii> :p
[09:11] <kwwii> it cannot be the normal link color from kde because the bg is dark and transparent
[09:11] <Mez> kwwii: maybe you should hop onto #katapult ?
[09:12] <bddebian> Hi Mez! ;-)
[09:12] <kwwii> omg, #katapult ... amazing
[09:12] <tvo> lol
[09:12] <Mez> jdong_, behave
[09:12] <jdong_> Mez: I am, I am... :)
[09:12] <jdong_> Mez: a joke here or there never hurt anyone too much
[09:13] <Mez> jdong_, I know... had any news from people about backports yet? apparent;y they're discussing it this week
[09:13] <jdong_> Mez: well, the system is working now
[09:14] <jdong_> already 7 or so packages have gone through
[09:14] <imbrandon> Mez: twas last week afaik
[09:14] <jdong_> it's just that (*puts on complaining hat*) ubuntu-archive is a bit slower than I'd like
[09:14] <jdong_> mez: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=
[09:15] <Mez> jdong_, yeah - they are... but hey - what can you do other than poke people
[09:15] <jdong_> Mez: exactly
[09:15] <omeow> By the way, thanks a lot for the great kdm theme that's currently used. I hope it stays.
[09:15] <omeow> Great colours.
[09:17] <kwwii> :-)
[09:17] <kwwii> wow, if I get much more good responses I'll change things just to hear negative remarks :P
[09:18] <imbrandon> leave the yellow"ish" and you'll hear plenty from me  hehehehe
[09:18] <imbrandon> ( and Riddell lol )
[09:18] <kwwii> we will be cycling through the color possibilities to see what people like most
[09:18] <kwwii> all variations on the same theme
[09:19] <kwwii> next is a blue-purple version
[09:19] <imbrandon> 
[09:19] <kwwii> (ie the yellow/orange color is replaced by blue
[09:19] <kwwii> I think that it will end up being the default somehow
[09:19] <imbrandon> i changed all my windeco to blue and oxgyn icons
[09:20] <kwwii> good!
[09:21] <imbrandon> kwwii: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss12.png
[09:22] <imbrandon> looks good imho
[09:22] <kwwii> definitely
[09:23] <kwwii> where did you get the panel bg from?
[09:23] <imbrandon> made it
[09:23] <imbrandon> heh , want it ?
[09:23] <imbrandon> i'll gpl it to ya LOL
[09:23] <imbrandon> err public domain or wth ever you want LOL
[09:23] <imbrandon> i dunt care 
[09:24] <imbrandon> whoops i dident cahnge my clock color from purple yet, forgot that one
[09:25] <kwwii> yes, please send it to me
[09:26] <kwwii> perhaps we can include it, or something like it in edgy
[09:26] <imbrandon> nice ok, one sec 
[09:26] <kwwii> it is subtle, and nice I think
[09:26] <kwwii> pretty much the same idea I had...better this way as it is less work for me :p
[09:26] <kwwii> I am working on hacking together an amarok theme
[09:27] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/pannel_bg.png
[09:27] <kwwii> guess we still need to move the window deco buttons down a pixel or so
[09:27] <imbrandon> there ya go
[09:27] <nixternal> the deco buttons are freakin' hot btw
[09:28] <imbrandon> the pannel should scale it bigger and smaller ( leaste it does here ) just fine
[09:28] <nixternal> kwwii: just so you know, im not a fan of the current wp ;)
[09:28] <imbrandon> yea but after some weeks purple, i'm likeing the blue again ( even moreso now )
[09:29] <kwwii> nixternal: what do you find troublesome about it?
[09:29] <kwwii> I admit the current one is too much of an "evening feeling"
[09:29] <nixternal> i thought my monitor was going bad when it first booted up and i saw that wp
[09:29] <nixternal> it looked like the center of my screen had a bad image burn in it
[09:29] <imbrandon> lol
[09:29] <nixternal> dude..i freaked for real...i was changing settings, smacking the monitor, degausing it
[09:30] <nixternal> you name it
[09:30] <kwwii> in that respect the blue-purple one is probably worse, as it has less contrast
[09:30] <nixternal> then i opened up konversation to cuss and what not..and it wasn't there ;)
[09:30] <nixternal> i was like...kwwii got me good
[09:30] <kwwii> hehe
[09:30] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[09:30] <imbrandon> ok time for a bit of food bbiab
[09:31] <kwwii> good to hear some negativity actually...I was starting to wonder if people weren't just trying to make me feel good :p
[09:31] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:31] <nixternal> its funny now, not funny then..i was like a confused school girl running around screaming like ww3 just started, and my ghetto was the first target
[09:31] <imbrandon> i like the patern and all the rest , i just cant get used to the yellow
[09:31] <nixternal> i like 5c
[09:32] <imbrandon> make all of them alternates , just use plain 5 as default 
[09:33] <imbrandon> nixternal: http://federation.imbrandon.com/oxygen_2006-08-18-01-03.tar.gz   if you want newer than that you need to generate them your self from svn 
[09:33] <nixternal> or, make one with all of the "Kubuntu" devs hackergotchies and what not, and cartoon them, and shade them so you can faintly see them ;)
[09:33] <imbrandon> just use the icon installer from the apperance in systemsettings to install the tar
[09:34] <nixternal> roger that..thank you sir ;!)$(38
[09:34] <nixternal> i think i just had a seizure there...anyways..i gotta shower..i got back from the gym on hopped on here...im a stinkin' one
[09:34] <nixternal> bbiaf
[09:34] <kwwii> hehe
[09:34] <kwwii> have a nice shower
[09:35] <imbrandon> yea food time brb
[09:35] <kwwii> imbrandon: does your panel have a black line at the top?
[09:36] <imbrandon> a thin line
[09:36] <kwwii> on my laptop is looks nasty :-(
[09:36] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss12.png
[09:36] <imbrandon> ahh i'm at 1200x1600 so its small here
[09:36] <imbrandon> heh
[09:36] <kwwii> it is totally black here
[09:36] <imbrandon> feel free to do what ever to it 
[09:36] <kwwii> I even restarted kicker
[09:36] <imbrandon> see in the ss how its real thin
[09:37] <kwwii> yeah, it looks different here
[09:37] <imbrandon> might need some editing , i just made it for me heh
[09:37] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:38] <kwwii> enjoy your meal ... have a mt.dew with it
[09:38] <imbrandon> i can make another plain one if you have no time later tonight when i'm done with all this compiling
[09:38] <imbrandon> ohh i will 
[09:38] <imbrandon> mt dew == staple of any meal and computer time etc
[09:38] <imbrandon> 
[09:40] <kwwii> I bet I drank 30 liters while I was home
[09:41] <jdong> I don't think that's healthy :)
[09:41] <kwwii> well, once every year it is ok to binge
[09:41] <jdong> lol
[09:41] <kwwii> since they don't have it in Germany
[09:42] <jdong> hah, who says XFS isn't for laptops?
[09:42] <jdong> just in case :)
[09:43] <kwwii> what would everyone here think about making the panel 90% the size of the desktop?
[09:45] <Lure> kwwii: why?
[09:45] <Lure> kwwii: I would preffer to move it up ;-)
[09:45] <kwwii> because it helps improve the identification of the kmenu (it is not lost in the corner anymore)
[09:46] <kwwii> if we moved it up, it should be 100% though :p
[09:46] <allee> kwwii: (first hi) but 5% left and right is lost
[09:46] <kwwii> turn on the mac toolbar function and prohibit starting any gtk apps
[09:46] <Lure> kwwii: some would say it is gnomish, but I have taskbar there always (Linux or win)
[09:47] <kwwii> allee: do you really use 100% of your panel? and if so, with what?
[09:47] <allee> kwwii: e.g. 13 systray applets
[09:47] <Lure> kwwii: I use it, but only because I have small one - two rows is just too much
[09:47] <apachelogger> 14 here
[09:48] <apachelogger> though as I use default kicker they don't use lot a space ;-)
[09:48] <kwwii> man, 13-14 applets is fraky
[09:48] <kwwii> freaky
[09:48] <Lure> wou, I have 12 - newer though that there are so many... ;-)
[09:48] <apachelogger> well
[09:48] <apachelogger> kwwii: actually none of them is freaky
[09:48] <apachelogger> ok, knetworkmanager is
[09:48] <apachelogger> but
[09:48] <kwwii> hehe
[09:49] <apachelogger> kmix,powermanager,klipper,adeptupdater,kopete,amarok,akregator,korganizer,konvi,knotes aren't
[09:49] <apachelogger> actually at least the kontact parts are highly possible to be dropped into systray
[09:49] <kwwii> quite a lot of information, shown in that systray. We should hide the inactive ones ala XP
[09:50] <apachelogger> hm, true
[09:50] <apachelogger> but one has to be careful
[09:50] <kwwii> true as well
[09:50] <apachelogger> for example powermanager shouldn't be hidden ever
[09:50] <apachelogger> just as update manager
[09:50] <kwwii> defintely
[09:50] <imbrandon> apachelogger: thats configuarable in xp
[09:51] <apachelogger> in KDE as well, isn't it?
[09:51] <apachelogger> never used that feature
[09:51] <kwwii> we could just add an "hide when inactive" tag to the desktop file or whatever
[09:51] <imbrandon> as always show|hide|normal behavure
[09:51] <apachelogger> and we will have to patch the icon :P
[09:51] <apachelogger> the grey/black one just looks cruel on default kubuntu desktop
[09:51] <kwwii> perhaps in kde4 things will be better :-)
[09:51] <apachelogger> perhaps ;-)
[09:52] <Hawkwind> Does konversation not have a way to use the up arrow for the last line you typed and sent to the channel to repeat it ?
[09:53] <DaSkreech> Yes
[09:53] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: mine does ( but i'm using 1.0rc1 )
[09:53] <DaSkreech> You press up then enter
[09:54] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I'm using your most recent build
[09:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: That does nothing on mine :(
[09:54] <DaSkreech> 0.19?
[09:56] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: 1.0rc1 #3147
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Ah
[09:56] <apachelogger> 1.0 Oo
[09:56] <apachelogger> though next release will be 0.20?
[09:58] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: How do you enable it ?
[09:58] <apachelogger> s/though/thought
[09:58] <imbrandon> apachelogger: no 0.19 -> 1.0
[09:59] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: its enabled by default afaik
[09:59] <apachelogger> imbrandon: hehe, probably only because of the tree list view ^^
[09:59] <apachelogger> though I have to admit that thingy is worth 1.0
[09:59] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Hmmm strange.  It doesn't work here :(
[09:59] <imbrandon> apachelogger: [13:49]  *** The channel topic is "Test Konversation 1.0rc1 now:
[09:59] <imbrandon> 
[09:59] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: your probably using an old version
[10:00] <imbrandon> what version ?
[10:00] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: 1.0rc1 #3147  I just updated it about 20 minutes ago
[10:00] <Hawkwind> Straight from your repo too :P
[10:00] <imbrandon> ahh hrm dunno what to tell you then, it works here
[10:00] <imbrandon> ahh hrm dunno what to tell you then, it works here
[10:00] <imbrandon> ahh hrm dunno what to tell you then, it works here
[10:00] <imbrandon> see
[10:00] <imbrandon> 
[10:00] <Hawkwind> Weirdness.  Wonder why it's not working here :(
[10:01] <imbrandon> might poke them in #konversation
[10:01] <imbrandon> and ask
[10:01] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: [offtopic]  but can i get your e17 instructions site again please
[10:01] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[10:01] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:01] <Hawkwind> No problem :)
[10:18] <Lure> any suggestion for icons for suspend/hibernate icon for logout dialog? if possible it should be in standard icon set...
[10:18] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Got it fixed :)
[10:19] <Hawkwind> Seems there is a setting for it in the settings menu
[10:21] <Lure> kwwii: did you plan to create any icons for suspend and hibernate action?
[10:25] <kwwii> Lure: for which part? the systray?
[10:25] <kwwii> powermanager thingy?
[10:25] <Lure> kwwii: also, but I am currently working on ksmserver (logout)
[10:26] <Lure> I am using player_pause (suspend) and vcs_update (hibernate), but vcs_update does not get shipped out of box
[10:26] <kwwii> I am sure that we can find something and if not, I can make it
[10:27] <Lure> kwwii: kpowersave has some, but they are strange to me (shows RAM and disk) - too technical imho
[10:27] <kwwii> will it be in edgy?
[10:27] <Lure> kwwii: I hope so - patch will go to Riddell today ;-)
[10:27] <kwwii> we really just need different colors of the power icon, or?
[10:27] <Lure> kwwii: but we can change icons later
[10:27] <kwwii> I am sure he will ping me about icons then
[10:28] <Lure> I think we need application icon (for menu) and action icons for suspend and hibernate (for menu and logout dialog button)
[10:28] <kwwii> :-)
[10:28] <kwwii> things are coming along quite well for edgy
[10:28] <kwwii> we still have plenty of time
[10:29] <kwwii> cool, I will install edgy knot2 on my test machine and check things out
[10:30] <jdong> when's knot2 planned again?
[10:31] <jjesse> they just mentioned a release schedule on the wiki
[10:31] <jjesse> let me try and remember it
[10:31] <Lure> jdong: I think this week
[10:32] <jjesse> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:50] <gnomefreak> jdong: 31st last i heard
[10:57] <nixternal> what is the difference between kubuntu team, and kubuntu members?
[11:22] <toma> Riddell: can hwdb provide info about screen resolution avarages?