[12:09] <surgy> draik: didnt cross my mind till just now, why dont i go the torent route man im glad i thought of that
[12:09] <draik> try it surgy
[12:09] <intelikey> CUM_SIURAN ifconfig eth0 [ip]  up
[12:09] <zorgluuu> all the other ones in english explain it for gnome and only put little notes about what to change for kubuntu
[12:09] <intelikey> CUM_SIURAN or did you mean modem ?
[12:09] <draik> Isnt torrent the #1 way to get linux distros?
[12:09] <brkamikaze> zorgluuu: if you can, could you translate it and put it on the english wiki? :)
[12:10] <CUM_SIURAN> I meant ethernet
[12:10] <CUM_SIURAN> well, wlan actually
[12:10] <CUM_SIURAN> but yeah
[12:10] <CUM_SIURAN> what if I get the ip from dhcp?
[12:10] <zorgluuu> brkamikaze, ok i will, first i have to test it tho :)
[12:10] <Stardog> anyone know how to install printer-driver? the ordinary way doesn't work
[12:10] <brkamikaze> CUM_SIURAN: if you get it from dhcp you need to fear nothing
[12:10] <intelikey> getting in ober my head CUM_SIURAN, i'm network illiterate.
[12:11] <CUM_SIURAN> brkm: huh?
[12:11] <intelikey> Stardog which 'ordinary way' ?
[12:12] <brkamikaze> CUM_SIURAN: if dhcp is working, then the network is configured as long as the dhcp server is working
[12:12] <Stardog> intelikey: "add printer" in system settings... every time i try to download the driver i get the msg, that either the driver doesn't exists or i dont have the rights
[12:12] <CUM_SIURAN> well, the network isn't work
[12:12] <CUM_SIURAN> ing
[12:12] <CUM_SIURAN> and the dhcp server must be working
[12:13] <CUM_SIURAN> becuase I am on that same network on another computer right now
[12:13] <intelikey> Stardog kdesu that app
[12:13] <intelikey> become root
[12:13] <Martijn81> CUM_SIURAN: since 6.06.1 i had todo: sudo dhclient ethx
[12:13] <brkamikaze> CUM_SIURAN: sudo dhclient
[12:13] <intelikey> use the force
[12:13] <intelikey> feel the power
[12:13] <Martijn81> CUM_SIURAN: every boot that is
[12:14] <Stardog> intelikey: what command do i run?
[12:14] <routh> damn - loading the module didn't work - ubuntu really needs alsaconf - when I run alsamixer I get "lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" - and my games don't have sound - however beep media player has sound with alsa - because I can choose hw0,0 or hw0,1 with the plugin.. anything that tries to use 'default' fails
[12:14] <Stardog> well.... Im considering meself a newbie :p
[12:15] <routh> anyone have an idea for my plight?
[12:15] <intelikey> i don't know.  i don't run a GUI   maybe cupsdconf "
[12:15] <CUM_SIURAN> I got "no DHCPOFFERS received"
[12:16] <draik> Stardog, have you tried both of the drivers? If there is more than one listed for the same printer? I had that same issue
[12:16] <brkamikaze> CUM_SIURAN: then the dhcp server isn't working OR you can't reach the network
[12:16] <shadowr3d> hello
[12:16] <Stardog> draik: yes... tried everyone.... same errormsg i get
[12:16] <draik> weird
[12:17] <m4rc0sss> good by ;)
[12:17] <draik> what's your printer?
[12:17] <Stardog> draik: hpc 750
[12:17] <shadowr3d> does anyone know how to get a scanner working?
[12:17] <intelikey> draik i might have misread him.  but it sounds like he's not getting root perms.
[12:17] <CUM_SIURAN> brkam: how do I reach the network then?
[12:17] <shadowr3d> anyone
[12:17] <Stardog> draik: HP psc 750 i ment
[12:17] <intelikey> dont ya still gotta be root to add a printer
[12:17] <shadowr3d> LINUX YEAH
[12:17] <shadowr3d> gfgfdgfdgf
[12:17] <shadowr3d> d
[12:17] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:17] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:17] <shadowr3d> dg
[12:18] <shadowr3d> g
[12:18] <shadowr3d> fg
[12:18] <draik> intelikey, that might be the issue
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gdg
[12:18] <InuDuelist> No spamming.
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gd
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfdgfd
[12:18] <InuDuelist> Stop spamming.
[12:18] <shadowr3d> g
[12:18] <shadowr3d> who are you
[12:18] <shadowr3d> who are you
[12:18] <NickGarvey> the ops will be angry...
[12:18] <intelikey> and i have used   HP psc 750    pretty good medium quality multi device.
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfdgfdg
[12:18] <shadowr3d> f
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:18] <shadowr3d> g
[12:18] <shadowr3d> fg
[12:18] <shadowr3d> f
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <Martijn81> op?
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <NickGarvey> !ops
[12:18] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[12:18] <shadowr3d> g
[12:18] <connyosis> shadowr3d: asswhipe, stop being a little punk
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <InuDuelist> You do realize that I permaban is just a right click away, right?
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfd
[12:18] <routh> grow the hell up kid
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gf
[12:18] <shadowr3d> gfgf
[12:19] <shadowr3d> gfg
[12:19] <shadowr3d> f
[12:19] <InuDuelist> NPOwned.
[12:19] <connyosis> thank you
[12:19] <NickGarvey> thanks
[12:19] <draik> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
[12:19] <routh> woot
[12:19] <InuDuelist> What a nab.
[12:19] <InuDuelist> Continue on with your talking of the printers.
[12:19] <draik> please
[12:19] <intelikey> and i have used   HP psc 750    pretty good medium quality multi device.
[12:20] <routh> Now anyone know anyway to configure the default alsa card in ubuntu - they must have something since they "refuse" to put alsaconf in
[12:20] <intelikey> but the only issue i had was just "be root"  and add it.
[12:20] <connyosis> routh: what do you mean by configure? Isn't alsamixer enough?
[12:21] <draik> I am not sure what I did to fix the printer issue other than reboot and try again
[12:21] <routh> connyosis - I'm going to repeat my ealier message to bring you up to speed
[12:21] <routh> damn - loading the module didn't work - ubuntu really needs alsaconf - when I run alsamixer I get "lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" - and my games don't have sound - however beep media player has sound with alsa - because I can choose hw0,0 or hw0,1 with the plugin.. anything that tries to use 'default' fails
[12:21] <Stardog> intelikey: so how do i Become root to this kind of operations?
[12:21] <intelikey> repoot   lol
[12:21] <draik> LOL
[12:21] <connyosis> routh: I see.
[12:22] <intelikey> Stardog the way i did it, (this isn't the *buntu way)  was  drop to console and startx as root.
[12:22] <InuDuelist> No, I'm not.
[12:22] <InuDuelist> Deathmaster, but thanks anyway.
[12:22] <intelikey> it's the cli guy  kinda thing    ya know.
[12:22] <draik> Stardog, you're not asked for a password or anything when you go into your System Settings?
[12:22] <routh> connyosis: So I need to configure alsa somehow - anything else I would run alsaconf - I like ubuntu though and would like to find a native resolution to this
[12:22] <intelikey> Stardog want a 123 on it ?
[12:23] <Stardog> draik: no... no passwords
[12:23] <draik> intelikey, I'll take it if stardog doesn't
[12:23] <draik> hmmm
[12:23] <Stardog> intelikey: i would like that yes
[12:23] <draik> ditto
[12:23] <connyosis> routh: yeah I can understand that
[12:24] <routh> connyosis: googling just seems to produce a lot of forums with complaints about not having alsaconf - and I found the thread where the developers explain why they left alsaconf out - but I'm pulling my hair out, as there's lots of complaints - but no solution...
[12:25] <Kr4t05> Is there anything special that I need to do when I upgrade to KDE 3.5.4?
[12:25] <intelikey> [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]    login    sudo su -     then /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx        when you log out of the root kde restart it like this    /etc/init.d/kdm start & exit
[12:25] <intelikey> Stardog ^
[12:26] <connyosis> routh: what error do you get when trying to load the module for your card?
[12:26] <routh> routh: None-  they load fine
[12:26] <intelikey> pretty simple stuff for a  cli user.
[12:26] <Stardog> ill try
[12:27] <connyosis> routh: what kind of card is it?
[12:27] <intelikey> let me quote actuall typed commands for you.
[12:27] <routh> connyosis: none they load fine - talking to mysefl there - I need to tell alsa to use hw0,0 or hw0,1 - it's a Sound Blaster PCI 128 model ct 4700
[12:27] <intelikey> press keys ->"[ctrl] +[alt] +[f1] "   login    sudo su -     then "/etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx "        when you log out of the root kde restart it like this    "/etc/init.d/kdm start & exit "
[12:28] <intelikey> oops  missed the sudo part.
[12:28] <intelikey> "sudo su -"
[12:28] <phreakys> ow man
[12:28] <routh> connyosis: in beep media player I can specify that rather than default, it should use one of the other two alsa cards showing for my card - if I specify either of the other ones it works
[12:28] <phreakys> i really start to hate ati stuff
[12:28] <intelikey> if the quotes help clear it up any.
[12:28] <boeroe> hello here a stupid question of a newbie . i download firefox and untared it wit tar -xv...
[12:28] <routh> connyosis: if I tell beep to use default - I wind up with the same issue in beep as in games.. no sound
[12:29] <boeroe> waht miust i do to install further firefox?
[12:29] <phreakys> sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:29] <phreakys> get it from the repositories boeroe
[12:29] <Kr4t05> boeroe: sudo apt-get install firefox, you don't need to compile it from source.
[12:29] <phreakys> or with adept
[12:29] <boeroe> ok thx will try it.
[12:29] <draik> you already have it ready for install
[12:29] <boeroe> yes i untarred it
[12:30] <nagyv> I can not openany connections in the browsers (Firefox, Konqueror). Although with ping it seems tah I know the IP-address. Any ideas?
[12:30] <boeroe> everything is in a directory firefox
[12:30] <sledge> Does somebody know about a X11 proxy that forwards mouse/keyboard input to an X server?
[12:30] <boeroe> oke thx preakys
[12:30] <phreakys> np
[12:31] <phreakys> if someone can help me with fglrx setup, would be great
[12:31] <intelikey> nagyv been playing with firewall ?
[12:31] <connyosis> routh: checked out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 ?
[12:31] <connyosis> routh: maybe something there to help you
[12:32] <nagyv> intelikey: there is a firewall, but I do not administer it. This problem comes back from time-to-time, but then I can use the net again.
[12:33] <intelikey> nagyv ;/   sorry no help.
[12:34] <Kr4t05> Gee...
[12:34] <Kr4t05> This camera worked fine in breezy...
[12:34] <Kr4t05> Maybe I should downgrade. :/
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> left grade!
[12:35] <boeroe> Pacific Airways
[12:35] <boeroe> Reading package lists... Done
[12:35] <boeroe> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:35] <boeroe> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:35] <boeroe> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:35] <boeroe> is only available from another source
[12:35] <boeroe> However the following packages replace it:
[12:35] <boeroe>   libnss3
[12:35] <routh> connyosis: That document leads me to the same dead end with no answer - I run aplay -l and get my soundcard - so it tells me to run alsamixer - but it has no info if you have an error with alsamixer - so I dead end and the document is useless
[12:35] <boeroe> this is what i get phreaky
[12:35] <boeroe> what must i do?
[12:35] <phreakys> ah
[12:35] <boeroe> phreaky
[12:35] <boeroe> ?
[12:35] <phreakys> ehm, maybe you have to uncomment some repositories
[12:36] <phreakys> go to console, and enter: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:36] <intelikey> !repos > boeroe
[12:36] <boeroe> i dont understand what is apt get is supposed to do?
[12:36] <Kr4t05> !apt
[12:36] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:36] <boeroe> ok
[12:36] <phreakys> it installs software for you
[12:37] <intelikey> s/installs/manages/ ^
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm  Some how i got a "Kat  Desktop Search Enviroment" - but the kitty wont search for nothing. :)
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> i think i need to RTFM
[12:37] <draik> boeroe, type 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[12:39] <routh> connyosis: brb - going to try another idea I found - manually creating asound.conf and rebooting
[12:39] <Martijn81> moment what for?
[12:39] <connyosis> routh: do that, I'll check around as well
[12:39] <boeroe> oke will try that draik
[12:39] <draik> hope it works out for you boeroe
[12:39] <Martijn81> stupid me...
[12:40] <intelikey> Martijn81 where brkamikaze went away to
[12:40] <draik> I remember my physics professor telling us about moments... it's only as good as a picture
[12:40] <Martijn81> yeah i noticed, little late though...
[12:40] <intelikey> :)
[12:40] <boeroe> same sjet draik
[12:41] <draik> hmmm
[12:41] <boeroe> Reading package lists... Done
[12:41] <boeroe> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:41] <boeroe> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:41] <boeroe> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:41] <boeroe> is only available from another source
[12:41] <boeroe> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[12:41] <draik> !pastebin > boeroe
[12:41] <boeroe> what is !pastebin>
[12:42] <connyosis> boeroe: don't paste a lot of lines in the channel, use pastebin.com
[12:42] <connyosis> boeroe: and then just paste the link here
[12:42] <draik> !pastebin
[12:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:43] <boeroe> ok thx
[12:43] <InuDuelist> Any students in here?
[12:43] <InuDuelist> http://www.mynoteit.com/
[12:43] <draik> before you flood the channel and get kicked for it, paste your output in there and paste your link here for us to see
[12:43] <draik> ^ boeroe
[12:43] <boeroe> this is frustrating can install anything
[12:43] <boeroe> ok will do
[12:44] <draik> boeroe, use adept instead
[12:44] <Kr4t05> boeroe: you may need to enable universe.
[12:44] <Kr4t05> !universe
[12:44] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:45] <draik> Kr4t05, I didn't think about that... boeroe, try that
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> wowsers... kat crashed and crashed and crashed some more. :P
[12:46] <Kr4t05> Dr_Willis: Do you have any advice for someone upgrading KDE to 3.5.4?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> other then DONT do it. :P
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> lol
[12:46] <Kr4t05> Dr_Willis: Why?
[12:46] <boeroe> you maean sudo adeptinstall firefox?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> no idea really, heck - im not even sure what version i am using.
[12:46] <Kr4t05> Mkay.
[12:47] <boeroe> draik you mean sudo adept install firefox?
[12:47] <draik> no
[12:47] <draik> Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> looks like i am using 3.5.2 here
[12:47] <Kr4t05> boeroe:  sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:47] <boeroe> kubuntu
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> whats so new in 3.5.4 ?
[12:47] <Kr4t05> Dr_Willis: No idea, but I like surprises. :P
[12:47] <draik> K Menu > System > Adept
[12:48] <boeroe> hmm ok
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> you get your ticket.. andyou takes your chances!
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> :P
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Ride the Bronco!
[12:48] <Kr4t05> Stupid EasyCam2 complains about gnome.ui
[12:49] <Kr4t05> ><
[12:49] <boeroe> and then waht do i do?
[12:49] <boeroe> draik
[12:49] <Kr4t05> boeroe: nothing.
[12:49] <Kr4t05> boeroe: oh, wait.
[12:49] <boeroe> nothing how is firefox installed then?
[12:50] <Kr4t05> boeroe: type 'firefox' in the search field
[12:50] <boeroe> already did that
[12:50] <Kr4t05> Did anything show up in the menu below?
[12:50] <draik> nothing?
[12:51] <Phoul> anyone know of a program that i can use to check to see what folders are taking up the most amout of space on my hd?
[12:51] <boeroe> gave mozilla firefox language package
[12:51] <Kr4t05> Arg...
[12:51] <Kr4t05> BRB
[12:51] <Riddell> Phoul: du -h
[12:51] <Kr4t05> I need to restart. ><
[12:51] <routh> connyosis: That did it
[12:51] <boeroe> draik still there
[12:52] <draik> yup
[12:52] <nonickname_> can anyone help me with setting up dhcpd?
[12:52] <boeroe> so what is the problem
[12:52] <draik> not sure what's going on with your setup
[12:52] <routh> connyosis: had to specify hw:0,0 - alsamixer still fails to work - because of the lack of alsaconf - however my sound works in everything now
[12:52] <draik> ok
[12:52] <draik> open a window to pastebin
[12:53] <draik> !pastebin
[12:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:53] <draik> there's the link for you in case you need it
[12:54] <boeroe> did it already create a link named test but how do i get this link in this chat
[12:55] <boeroe> hmm jsut read something about webboard
[12:55] <richard> I've got a problem with Clamav,Klamav, Clamav-base, fresh-clam. . . . it will not install with adept because it returns an error saying all of the dependency files weren't loaded or could be loaded. . . anyone else have this problem? What's the fix?
[12:55] <boeroe> but then i have to install dpkg again an installation problem
[12:55] <boeroe> :-)
[12:56] <draik> boeroe
[12:56] <boeroe> YES RICHARD me
[12:56] <richard> I run dpkg --configure -a in Konsole to get everything else loaded onto my system. . .
[12:56] <draik> open a Run Command
[12:56] <draik> [ALT]  + [F2] 
[12:56] <boeroe> and then?
[12:57] <draik> type          kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <richard> Klamav also has problems . . . .in the past it would indicate a new update was needed to be installed so it would download but never really install it. . . .
[12:58] <draik> got it open?
[12:59] <boeroe> yep
[12:59] <richard> Anyways any help with Clamav would be appreciated. ...
[12:59] <draik> copy everything (right click and click on Select All)
[12:59] <draik> paste it into a pastebin
[01:00] <boeroe> done
[01:00] <draik> link to pastebin?
[01:00] <richard> Any idea's  ??
[01:01] <boeroe> i feel so stupid but where is the link how do i get it here?
[01:01] <draik> !pastebin
[01:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:02] <boeroe> i called it sourceslist and can see it at the right
[01:02] <draik> the link is the URL on the top
[01:02] <draik> got it
[01:02] <draik> don't worry
[01:02] <draik> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21840
[01:02] <draik> that's your link
[01:02] <boeroe> i clicked on send after typing the name and then it apeared at he right under the heading posts
[01:03] <boeroe> ohhhhh
[01:03] <boeroe> now i het it
[01:03] <boeroe> get it
[01:05] <draik> ok
[01:05] <draik> now open up konsole
[01:05] <brkamikaze> intelikey: he went to dinner
[01:05] <boeroe> done
[01:05] <draik> type          sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[01:06] <boeroe> done
[01:06] <draik> ok
[01:06] <draik> so now you have a backup if this doens't work for you
[01:06] <draik> now
[01:06] <draik> here is my link to your new sources.list
[01:06] <draik> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21841
[01:07] <draik> Here is what you do
[01:07] <draik> close konsole
[01:07] <mshade> !qemu
[01:07] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[01:07] <draik> open the run command again
[01:07] <boeroe> ok
[01:07] <draik> [ALT]  + [F2] 
[01:07] <boeroe> done
[01:07] <draik> type          kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:08] <brkamikaze> I updated KDE
[01:08] <brkamikaze> starting logoff procedure...
[01:08] <boeroe> done
[01:08] <draik> then delete everything in there
[01:08] <draik> and paste what I have for you in pastebin
[01:08] <draik> to your sources.list file
[01:08] <boeroe> ok
[01:09] <draik> save it
[01:10] <draik> boeroe, done/
[01:10] <draik> ?
[01:10] <richard> Here are the error messages I get from Clamav: E: clamav-base: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:10] <richard> E: clamav-daemon: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:10] <richard> E: clamsmtp: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:10] <richard> How do I get it to install?
[01:11] <richard> What dependency files would I be missing?\
[01:11] <richard> Anyone have any idea's
[01:12] <draik> boeroe?
[01:13] <draik> Question for everyone and anyone...
[01:13] <boeroe> ok done cool once you know how to use it with download it puts it for you in a kate editor
[01:13] <boeroe> oke draik
[01:13] <boeroe> whats next
[01:13] <draik> If I attach a 3rd HDD, 80GB, can I install Kubuntu on it and run it from there?
[01:13] <draik> boeroe, open konsole
[01:13] <draik> type         sudo apt-get update
[01:14] <boeroe> done
[01:14] <draik> ok now...
[01:14] <draik> type         sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:14] <boeroe> done
[01:14] <draik> now try it
[01:14] <draik> type         sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:15] <boeroe> oke run it should try to install now?
[01:15] <Martijn81> draik: shouldn't be a problem as long as you keep grub on the first hard disk (asuming you're not taking the alternative road and use NTLDR)
[01:15] <draik> try to install it now with that command
[01:15] <draik> Martijn81, I'm using GRUB
[01:16] <draik> How do I decide where GRUB stays?
[01:16] <Martijn81> draik: you can't AFAIK, it's has to be the first drive because that's where the BIOS is going to look
[01:17] <draik> Martijn81, so when I install it on another HDD, I don't have an option to keep the GRUB on my primary HDD?
[01:17] <Martijn81> so, either the primary master in case of PATA or SATA1 in case of SATA
[01:17] <draik> or do you mean primary HDD as in Master and Slave drives?
[01:18] <Martijn81> draik: yep
[01:18] <draik> oh
[01:18] <draik> yeah
[01:18] <draik> this new HDD will be slave
[01:18] <Martijn81> draik: it always chooses the first drive
[01:18] <draik> that I knew... phew!!!
[01:18] <draik> I thought it was as to where the GRUB wants to be installed
[01:18] <draik> but how do I go about setting up the install?
[01:19] <boeroe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21843
[01:19] <draik> when I choose the drive, I know I'm choosing the new HDD
[01:19] <boeroe> this is what i get
[01:19] <draik> I will look at it right now
[01:19] <draik> boeroe, do you have Adept open?
[01:19] <draik> or anything else controlling your repos?
[01:20] <boeroe> yes hhmm
[01:20] <boeroe> try again
[01:20] <draik> Martijn81, what about the setup? Do I have to tell it to set root (/) to my primary drive or to the new HDD? If I set it to my primary, won't that format the partition I have right now?
[01:21] <draik> boeroe, let me know what happens
[01:22] <MeTa[AwAy] > bb all
[01:22] <boeroe> looks like there where no errors !!!!!!
[01:22] <draik> so you have it installed now boeroe?
[01:22] <boeroe> just checking
[01:23] <draik> K Menu > Internet
[01:23] <boeroe> can not run it...
[01:23] <draik> ???
[01:23] <draik> any errors?
[01:23] <boeroe> with alt f2 firefox
[01:23] <boeroe> let me check what i should do
[01:23] <draik> weird
[01:23] <draik> I can
[01:23] <boeroe> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:24] <boeroe> and then hwo do i run it?
[01:24] <boeroe> how do i run it
[01:24] <gnomefreak> from the menu
[01:24] <gnomefreak> or from cli with firefox
[01:25] <brkamikaze> gnomefreak: wtf do I always need to run kbuildsycoca after installing a new x11 package?
[01:25] <Martijn81> draik: i have not done a dualboot with linux yet, it might be that the installation give you the option because it detects there's already a / partition, i don't know that, normally grub will just point to / partition installing on for the menu.lst file, but in case of linux dualboot i do not know to be honest
[01:25] <gnomefreak> brkamikaze: i have never run it so i couldnt tell you
[01:26] <ubuntu_> busy busy
[01:26] <draik> Thank your for your input Martijn81
[01:26] <draik> Much appreciated
[01:27] <draik> boeroe, try to reboot
[01:27] <boeroe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21843
[01:27] <boeroe> same eroor when installing
[01:27] <boeroe> error
[01:27] <ubuntu_> ???
[01:28] <draik> hmmm
[01:28] <draik> I'm running out of solutions for you here
[01:28] <draik> I don't think I know what else I can suggest other than a reboot
[01:28] <boeroe> hmm yes man still appreciate your help. i feel so dum and helpless....
[01:28] <draik> you're welcome
[01:29] <boeroe> oke will try that tomorrow is another day
[01:29] <boeroe> thx
[01:29] <draik> don't let anything intimidate you
[01:29] <boeroe> :-)
[01:29] <draik> np
[01:29] <boeroe> so waht where you trying?
[01:29] <boeroe> update the source list?
[01:29] <draik> yup
[01:30] <boeroe> now i  know why people run away from linux :-)
[01:30] <draik> cuz they can't let go of the windoze teet
[01:30] <boeroe> but it is a challenge
[01:30] <boeroe> later
[01:30] <draik> peace
[01:31] <draik> Goodbye everyone... I now attempt an install on another HDD
[01:32] <ubuntu_> ;)
[01:35] <Tim> wow ok
[01:35] <Tim> ??question how do i download a server list???
[01:36] <kraut> !apt
[01:36] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:36] <Tim> !apt
[01:36] <Tim> i see
[01:36] <Tim> thanks
[01:37] <Tim> ;)
[01:38] <Tim> bye all thanks for the info ;)
[01:58] <draik> Martijn81, what good is an attempt when I don't have the necessary cables
[01:58] <draik> I am short on Y-Connectors from my PSU
[02:00] <draik> WHOA!!!!
[02:00] <Martijn81> ops!
[02:00] <draik> brown.freenode really crapped out!!!!
[02:00] <Martijn81> !ops
[02:00] <bLaZeD> big split
[02:00] <draik> oh yea
[02:11] <exobuzz> are there netsplits going on ?
[02:11] <draik> I think so
[02:11] <draik> but I think its done
[02:11] <exobuzz> its bloody annoying..
[02:11] <draik> or it's getting to be a real crawl
[02:11] <draik> exobuzz, it's really annoying with all the joins
[02:11] <bonggnu> hi, i need a program to shrink a mpg file of 890 megas, to record in a vcd
[02:11] <draik> kinda throws off convos
[02:12] <draik> QDVDAUTHOR
[02:12] <draik> ^bonggnu
[02:12] <exobuzz> anyone here used koverartist ? just that its good, and i discovered it recently
[02:12] <exobuzz> and i printing a nice dvd cover today :)
[02:13] <bonggnu> ok,. i will try it, thanks a lot
[02:17] <bonggnu> draik: ** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x08552c28 **
[02:18] <oslo> bonsoir
[02:19] <oslo> sous kubuntu j'aimerais mettre l'ecran de login de ubuntu est-ce possible ?
[02:19] <brkamikaze> !fr
[02:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:19] <oslo> sorry
[02:19] <oslo> & thks
[02:20] <oslo> so under Kubuntu i'd like to switch my logon screen to the ubuntu one how can i do ?
[02:21] <pierreth> hello i cannot burn dvd
[02:21] <pierreth> i have the error Failed to open device
[02:21] <pierreth> what should I do?
[02:21] <CVirus> pierreth: try with sudo
[02:22] <pierreth> CVirus: all the times?
[02:22] <CVirus> pierreth: I suppose
[02:23] <Martijn81> oslo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[02:23] <brkamikaze> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[02:23] <pierreth> CVirus: thank you, I am trying
[02:23] <brkamikaze> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-artwork gdm
[02:24] <Martijn81> no that's not right, damn what was that command...
 and i'll stay under KDE or ..?
[02:24] <brkamikaze> oslo: yes, you will continue under kde
[02:24] <brkamikaze> unless you install gnome-session
[02:25] <oslo> only the login screen after the usplash screen ?
[02:25] <oslo> k
[02:25] <brkamikaze> you will also need to configure the bootscripts to start GDM instead of KDM
[02:26] <pierreth> CVirus: i have the same erroor
[02:26] <oslo> i don't want 4 now KDE is great
[02:26] <CVirus> pierreth: no idea .. really
[02:26] <pierreth> CVirus: is it possible to burn cd or dvd on linux?
[02:27] <CVirus> yes sure
[02:27] <draik> pierreth K3B
[02:27] <brkamikaze> sudo bash -c 'rm /etc/rc3.d/S99kdm; ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc3.d/S99gdm; rm /etc/rc{0,6}.d/K01kdm; ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc{0,6}.d/K01gdm'
[02:28] <red> when i get on the web at kde-look.org and get wallpapers, how exactly do i install them as well as other programs that are .tar
[02:28] <pierreth> draik: k3b is not better
[02:28] <brkamikaze> red: open then with Ark
[02:28] <red> ok
[02:28] <red> thanxs
[02:28] <brkamikaze> if they have a file named 'configure', then you need to compile
[02:28] <Jucato> but wallpapers, usually, don't need compiling
[02:28] <red> ok
[02:29] <red> ill try some stuff
[02:29] <drgonzo> hello all
[02:29] <red> is that the same with visual themes
[02:29] <drgonzo> is there anyway to check is the kmail spamasssasin flags are working
[02:29] <brkamikaze> Jucato: visual styles however do need compiling :(
[02:29] <Jucato> red, not all
[02:29] <Jucato> brkamikaze, yes... but he did mention "wallpapers"...
[02:29] <drgonzo> i.e which i check something as spam and it gets moved to trash, it's suppose to run the sa-learn command but can i check to see if it's working?
[02:29] <brkamikaze> red: sometimes the publisher of the theme publish a .deb version under another name
[02:30] <red> okay
[02:30] <brkamikaze> just download that deb and run "dpkg -i <file"
[02:30] <brkamikaze> dpkg -i <filename>
[02:30] <red> the ones that i download sar .tar.gz
[02:30] <Jucato> or, when you have download the .deb, right-click on it in Konqueror and choose Kubuntu Package Menu > Install
[02:30] <brkamikaze> red: if it is a wallpaper, don't worry
[02:31] <pierreth> K3b is just so slow
[02:31] <brkamikaze> but if it is a visual style, prefer a .deb version
[02:31] <red> ok
[02:31] <CVirus> pierreth: burning has nuthing to do with the software you're using
[02:31] <red> where would i extract to
[02:31] <red> what folder
[02:31] <red> or does it even mattter
[02:32] <brkamikaze> pierreth: every single burning program for linux uses cdrecord as a backend AFAIK
[02:32] <brkamikaze> red: it doesn't matter
[02:32] <Jucato> red, doesn't matter if it's just a wallpaper
[02:32] <pierreth> CVirus: yes it does, K3b is very just at adding a folder
[02:32] <red> its a theme
[02:32] <red> or should i even try themes
[02:32] <pierreth> Gravman is a lot faster for that
[02:32] <brkamikaze> red: there are some themes available from apt, try those too
[02:33] <red> ok
[02:33] <red> ill try those
[02:33] <otaku-san> Does anyone know of any good Archiving programs beside Ark?  I was thinking 7zip but I want to know if there are any other good ones out there
[02:33] <brkamikaze> otaku-san: file-roller
[02:33] <brkamikaze> but that's part of GNOME
[02:34] <Jucato> red, this post might help clarify some things a bit about themes in KDE: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8189.msg33038#msg33038
[02:35] <Jucato> otaku-san, besides, Ark and all the rest are merely front-ends to the command line utilities. they're abilities are largely dependent on those
[02:35] <Jucato> otaku-san, other archiving programs: file roller and xarchiver (xfce)
[02:35] <brkamikaze> otaku-san: the best archiving tool is 'tar'
[02:35] <brkamikaze> :)
[02:35] <otaku-san> Jucato: ahhhh...yeah I was wondering...
[02:36] <otaku-san> brkamikaze: hahah ya it is most defiantly better than a .zip
[02:36] <otaku-san> but windoze has such bad support for it...
[02:36] <Jucato> but seems like RAR has better/smaller compression...
[02:37] <brkamikaze> remember to install p7zip
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> rar often can compress better.. but takes longer
[02:37] <brkamikaze> then Ark will be able to mess with .7z files
[02:38] <oslo> brkamikaze> it didn't work i tried a Ctrl-Alt-Del to see it didn't work
[02:38] <Bbetto> hi, whats mean this checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:38] <oslo> about change the kubuntu login to ubuntu one
[02:38] <brkamikaze> oslo: you need to change the init scripts
[02:38] <brkamikaze> sudo bash -c 'rm /etc/rc3.d/S99kdm; ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc3.d/S99gdm; rm /etc/rc{0,6}.d/K01kdm; ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc{0,6}.d/K01gdm'
[02:38] <mshade> !composite manager
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <brkamikaze> !gdm
[02:38] <ubotu> gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.10-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1681 kB, installed size 11588 kB
[02:39] <brkamikaze> bah
[02:39] <brkamikaze> Jucato: do you know how to replace kdm with gdm?
[02:39] <brkamikaze> any user-friendly way?
[02:39] <Jucato> brkamikaze, sorry, a bit clueless there...
[02:39] <Bbetto> hi what means this please? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:39] <oslo> ^^
[02:40] <brkamikaze> Bbetto: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[02:40] <brkamikaze> this should install almost every header needed to compile a X program
[02:44] <pierreth> I was able to burn a folder
[02:45] <pierreth> I'm trying to erase now
[02:45] <brkamikaze> somebody on the -br support channel is having this problem with the nvidia driver:
[02:45] <brkamikaze> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Version mismatch detected between the NVIDIA X driver and the
[02:45] <brkamikaze>  (EE) NVIDIA(0):     NVIDIA GLX module.  X driver version: 1.0-8774; GLX module
[02:45] <brkamikaze>  (EE) NVIDIA(0):     version: 1.0-8762.
[02:45] <brkamikaze> what should be installed to make those versions equal?
[02:47] <Martijn81> damn, md5sum is equal but half the cd is corrupt ;(
[02:48] <brkamikaze> Martijn81: lol
[02:49] <brkamikaze> so the md5 itself is corrupted :P
[02:50] <Martijn81> don't know, i'll burn again and verify the disk this time to be sure
[02:51] <D4rkly> has anyone got xgl working ?
[02:52] <pierreth> i'm trying to burn my home folder, why is it so slow?
[02:52] <brkamikaze> D4rkly: I won't even try
[02:52] <brkamikaze> I own one of those cursed SiS onboard cards :(
[02:53] <InuDuelist> Darn.
[02:53] <InuDuelist> I can't get Imageshack Quickshot working in Wine.
[02:54] <Jucato> pierreth, maybe you have lots of files? or slow burning speed?
[02:54] <pierreth> i think i had a problem because my burner was listed in double
[02:54] <pierreth> Jucato: i have lost of files, but it is not the burning that is taking so much time, it is the preparation
[02:55] <k31th> this server pissed me off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvswi-CAmeU
[02:55] <InuDuelist> Anyone know of a program that lets you take a screenshot and upload an image to the internet?
[02:56] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: I know a duo of programs that can
[02:56] <brkamikaze> ksnapshot and konqueror :)
[02:56] <Jucato> lol
[02:56] <InuDuelist> brkamikaze, seriously.
[02:57] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: I didn't even knew about the existance of such "Imageshack Quickshot"
[02:57] <InuDuelist> Oh?
[02:57] <brkamikaze> post your results on wine's appdb
[02:57] <brkamikaze> and make sure you're using wine 0.9.20
[02:57] <InuDuelist> appdb?
[02:57] <InuDuelist> How do I check?
[02:57] <brkamikaze> http://appdb.winehq.org
[02:57] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: wine --version
[02:58] <brkamikaze> the site http://www.winehq.org contains instructions to add a repository for {,K,X}ubuntu that contains always the latest wine
[02:58] <InuDuelist> Long. Error. Message.
[02:59] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: bah
[02:59] <brkamikaze> apt-cache show wine
[02:59] <InuDuelist> Wait.
[03:00] <InuDuelist> I don't have 0.9.20
[03:00] <InuDuelist> I have 0.9.9.
[03:00] <pierreth> i think i cannot burn my home folder, i will make a copy first
[03:00] <robert_> hm
[03:01] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: that's because you're using official repositories
[03:01] <InuDuelist> I am.
[03:01] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[03:02] <InuDuelist> Do I add that to my repository list?
[03:02] <robert_> I can't seem to (re)start esd
[03:02] <robert_> I get errors when trying to use my onboard soundcard
[03:02] <brkamikaze> InuDuelist: yes
[03:02] <robert_> er, how *do* I restart esd under (k)ubuntu?
[03:03] <brkamikaze> robert_: why are you using esd under kubuntu?
[03:03] <robert_> because I'm used to it
[03:03] <robert_> actuall
[03:03] <robert_> y
[03:03] <brkamikaze> it will be easier to get support for esd on #ubuntu, since it's the default in there
[03:03] <robert_> ah
[03:03] <robert_> yeah
[03:04] <robert_> I started from normal Ubuntu, since I rely on Evolution
[03:04] <pierreth> i think the burning software is having a hard time with FIFO files
[03:05] <brkamikaze> pierreth: is DMA enabled?
[03:05] <Martijn81> (@*#&%^!#$*%^ i forgot to set the verify option ;(   Can i md5sum manually on a CD?
[03:05] <D4rkly> where is sources.list ?
[03:05] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: /etc/apt
[03:05] <D4rkly> for adept
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> D4rkly: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <brkamikaze> Martijn81: md5sum /dev/cdrom
[03:05] <pierreth> brkamikaze: i don't know, I don't know what's the meaning, how can i check
[03:05] <Martijn81> :)
[03:06] <D4rkly> cool :)
[03:06] <brkamikaze> pierreth: dmesg | grep DMA
[03:06] <brkamikaze> check if your cd-rom device is listed
[03:06] <pierreth> [    0.000000]    DMA zone: 196608 pages, LIFO batch:31
[03:06] <pierreth> [    0.000000]    DMA32 zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:0
[03:06] <pierreth> [   52.091090]  hda: Enabling Ultra DMA 5
[03:06] <pierreth> [   52.092103]  hdb: Enabling Ultra DMA 2
[03:06] <pierreth> [   55.615328]  hda: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100)
[03:06] <pierreth> [   55.639684]  hdb: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
[03:07] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[03:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:07] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Please use pastebin and not flood the channel
[03:07] <brkamikaze> pierreth: it's activated
[03:07] <pierreth> how much text can i paste without the pastbin?
[03:07] <brkamikaze> and you just needed to check, not paste it in here :)
[03:08] <brkamikaze> pierreth: 3 lines tops I think should be enough
[03:08] <pierreth> ok, sorry :-)
[03:09] <brkamikaze> i'll go
[03:09] <brkamikaze> sleep
[03:09] <brkamikaze> =p
[03:11] <Jucato> weee! Hawkwind's still alive! ;D
[03:13] <Martijn81> bad bad, md5sum from server to download to cd is the same, though many packages are corrupted
[03:14] <D4rkly> im trying to install Xgl compiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 0.0.13.41-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:15] <draik> !pastebin > draik
[03:15] <Bbetto> Hi
[03:15] <D4rkly> lol its 2 lines
[03:15] <Bbetto> what is wrong whit this
[03:15] <Bbetto> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:16] <Bbetto> i install kdevelop3 but the mistake is the same
[03:16] <Bbetto> what hapend?
[03:24] <Martijn81> hmm, looks like it was my own fault (duh)
[03:29] <robert_> blah
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <Martijn81> Bbetto: you probably need xlibs-dev
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <Jucato> !ops
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <Martijn81> !ops
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <pyehhclj> GNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDEGNOME > KDE
[03:30] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:30] <acwupnwd> GNOME > KDE
[03:31] <fjtowoqp> GNOME > KDE
[03:31] <cevnvopf> GNOME > KDE
[03:31] <xmhrpows> GNOME > KDE
[03:31] <usjmvshk> GNOME > KDE
[03:31] <__mikem> oh no
[03:31] <__mikem> Wow this is getting annoying
[03:31] <Jucato> whoa...
[03:31] <Martijn81> damn, another freak
[03:31] <draik> not again
[03:32] <Jucato> sheesh...
[03:32] <Martijn81> and no ubotu to warn another, and seveas is sleeping...
[03:32] <Jucato> Martijn81: ubotu is there...
[03:32] <nalioth> hi beu
[03:32] <Jucato> people like that $$#!@%$* give GNOME a bad name...
[03:32] <nalioth> beu: you're late to the party  :P
[03:32] <beu> nalioth: hi :p
[03:32] <draik> yup
[03:33] <draik> Hey nalioth
[03:33] <beu> nalioth: heh, same as usual ;)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> op
[03:33] <__mikem> Jucato those aren't people its a bot
[03:33] <Hobbsee> what's the problem?
[03:33] <Jucato> __mikem: well, the person/people he made that bot, then
[03:33] <draik> Hobbsee, go at 'em
[03:33] <draik> I hope it's not that pisshead from earlier
[03:34] <__mikem> Hobbsee, they were klined before you showed up
[03:34] <Jucato> we received a flood of "GNOME > KDE"....
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:35] <Jucato> hm.... but now the channel is +r.....
[03:35] <Hobbsee> it is?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> [11:35]  *** Channel modes: no messages from outside, no colours allowed, R, f
[03:35] <Hobbsee> register to talk, i suspect
[03:35] <Phoul> anyone here use a rca lyra mp3 player?
[03:35] <Jucato> yeah
[03:36] <Jucato> nalioth set it to +R
[03:36] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:36] <Hobbsee> he just told me in ops
[03:36] <Jucato> ehehe
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i got the problems fixed :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:37] <Jucato> hmm...
[03:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: still +4
[03:38] <Jucato> s/4/R
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hmm?
[03:39] <Jucato> still +R, and you can't change your nick from an unregistered nick to a registered one unless you leave #kubuntu
[03:39] <Jucato> oh there.... hehehe! thanks nalioth!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh...
[03:50] <Kr4t05> Does anyone here used kbfx?
[03:50] <Agios> not me
[03:50] <Kr4t05> Grumble.
[03:52] <pierreth> ok, the burning is now working
[03:52] <Kr4t05> Anyone? Please?
[03:53] <InuDuelist> I do.
[03:53] <InuDuelist> What ya need?
[03:53] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: How do I install a menu theme?
[03:53] <Kr4t05> I click the menu button, and nothing happens.
[03:53] <InuDuelist> Oh?
[03:53] <InuDuelist> Are you in kbfx config?
[03:54] <Kr4t05> ?
[03:54] <InuDuelist> You installed Kbfx, right?
[03:54] <Kr4t05> From repositories, yes
[03:54] <InuDuelist> Ok.
[03:54] <InuDuelist> Open up kbfxconfig
[03:54] <Frederick> folks did anyone here installed the google earth package?
[03:55] <InuDuelist> Nope, sorry.
[03:55] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: kbfxconfig from terminal?
[03:55] <InuDuelist> It should be in your menu.
[03:55] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[03:55] <Kr4t05> Let me restart KDE.
[03:55] <InuDuelist> Try going to "run" and typing in "kbfxconfigapp"
[03:56] <Kr4t05> Could not run.
[03:56] <InuDuelist> Oh?
[03:56] <Kr4t05> I type
[03:56] <InuDuelist> What exactly did you type in to install?
[03:57] <Kr4t05> sudo apt-get install kbfx
[03:57] <InuDuelist> Hm...
[03:57] <InuDuelist> So, you installed it, but can't get the Config menu open?
[03:58] <Kr4t05> Nope.
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Hm.
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Let's see.
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Try going to run, and typing in "kcontrol".
[03:58] <Kr4t05> Let me try something...
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Ok.
[03:59] <blindangel> what if Adept, Konqueror, Katapult and most of the thing in the KDesktop disapeared (kinda newb here)
[03:59] <__mikem> Kr4t05 the package for kbfx in dapper is broken
[03:59] <Kr4t05> __mikem: good to know.
[03:59] <__mikem> you need to go to their website and download a package from tehre
[03:59] <Kr4t05> __mikem: Build from source?
[04:00] <Kr4t05> NVM
[04:01] <Jucato> Kr4t05: you might want to try enabling the dapper-backports repository, as there is an updated kbfx (and KTorrent, whoopee!) there
[04:01] <blindangel> I tried to install QTHEader and some related package, adept crashed and when i restarted i had no more adept, konqueror and all the stuff
[04:01] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Saweet.
[04:03] <Kr4t05> Jucato: I suppose now, I can remove Azureus. XP
[04:03] <Jucato> hahah
[04:03] <Kr4t05> I had to use if for this one tracker that didn't like Ktorrent.
[04:04] <Jucato> only if you're satisfied with KTorrent 2.0.1
[04:04] <pierreth> i made a backup of my user account
[04:04] <Kr4t05> Jucato: I don't mind it, but the tracker I used to use really hated it.
[04:04] <Kr4t05> But, I no longer use that tracker.
[04:04] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:04] <pierreth> how can i use this backup with my next linux install?
[04:04] <Martijn81> AFAIK KTorrent 2.1 will come soon too, seeing they said it will be a minor release
[04:04] <pierreth> i want to restore all my stuff
[04:05] <pierreth> can i just copy back the folder that i saved?
[04:06] <D4rkly> what is the equivalent to sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[04:07] <D4rkly> is there a kdm ?
[04:07] <Jucato> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ??
[04:07] <pierreth> does someone wants a Mac now?
[04:07] <Jucato> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:07] <Martijn81> pierreth: what's the point of doing that? isn't it wiser to backup the config file you actually need?
[04:07] <pierreth> Martijn81: i don't know what I need
[04:08] <pierreth> this is the way I do on mac
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: has kopete hit dapper-backports yet?
[04:08] <pierreth> i think it is simple
[04:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hmm... I'll check. I seem to be using imbrandon's build
[04:08] <pierreth> how should i do?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh okay.   yep
[04:09] <Agios> pierreth: how did you create the backup?
[04:09] <Martijn81> pierreth: i works mostly, but a clean start is better in my view
[04:09] <Hobbsee> i think they did a whole lot of backports then said "lets take a break for a bit"
[04:09] <Kr4t05> Ok, it all works, now.
[04:09] <pierreth> Agios: i made a dvd of a copy of my home folder
[04:09] <Hobbsee> oh...most/all of canonical is on holidays, i think
[04:10] <Agios> pierreth: after you reinstall just copy it back over then
[04:10] <pierreth> Agios: it is going to work?
[04:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nope. no kopete yet. the Kopete and Konversation that I'm using is from imbrandon
[04:11] <Agios> pierreth: I see no reason why it would not work
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: indeed.  i wouldnt mind backporting konvi either, actually
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but kopete first :)
[04:11] <Jucato> hehehe!
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seeing as i'm the active maintainer of that :)
[04:11] <pierreth> i want to sell my mac to buy a pc and have everything back as it was
[04:11] <Jucato> lol
[04:11] <Jucato> oh man! I forgot about madison!
[04:12] <Agios> pierreth: I do full backups of my systems every night
[04:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I went to archive.ubuntu.com to manually check if kopete is there
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: interesting.  i would have used apt-cache policy
[04:12] <Jucato> I forgot to simply do apt-cache madison kopete....
[04:12] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:12] <Agios> pierreth: I can completely wipe the disk and be back up and running in 30 minutes
[04:12] <pierreth> Agios: have you tried a restore?
[04:12] <Jucato> imbrandon was the one who taught me that...
[04:12] <Agios> pierreth: many times
[04:12] <pierreth> Agios: cool!
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've seen it used, i've not used it
[04:13] <Kr4t05> How do I change the background for Konqueror?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh...neat
[04:13] <jamadagni> hello. does anyone know where i can get the edgy purple theme for kubuntu
[04:13] <Jucato> Kr4t05: View > Configure Background
[04:13] <Agios> pierreth: http://timia.net/agios/index.php?page=BackUps
[04:13] <jamadagni> i mean, colour scheme
[04:13] <Jucato> works only as a file manager, though
[04:14] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Meh... I know so much advanced stuff, but little crap is impossible. ><
[04:14] <jamadagni> Hello...
[04:14] <Kr4t05> I'm trying to freak my brother out by turning my computer into a Vista Clone. :P
[04:15] <Jucato> jamadagni: hmm... in edgy?  sorry no idea... better ask in #ubuntu+1 I think
[04:15] <Agios> now there is a waste of a good computer
[04:15] <jamadagni> jucato - is there no kubuntu=1
[04:15] <jamadagni> i mean kubuntu+1/
[04:15] <Jucato> jamadagni: I don't think so
[04:15] <Kr4t05> Agios: Think Kubuntu stability with Vista's look.
[04:16] <Agios> I stand by my statement LOL
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Agios: You're just a hater. :[
[04:16] <Jucato> what's with Vista's look? lol
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Jucato: he's just a flamer.
[04:16] <Jucato> eheheh
[04:16] <Agios> hehe
[04:17] <Jucato> (actually I don't mind it... but I don't prefer it either...)
[04:17] <pierreth> Agios: thank you
[04:18] <Agios> pierreth: np
[04:18] <Guest79988> i have a problem
[04:19] <Guest79988> i was doing an update in the adept manager, and now everytime i boot up i get a screen after the login that just features a konsole in the uper left corner, and thats it
[04:19] <Guest79988> and the login is different
[04:19] <Daniel21> http://www.DJDada.dl.am - HipHop & RnB MusicVidz and MusicTracks to Download!!!
[04:20] <draik> Red, sounds like you got rid of your desktop
[04:20] <Red> how do i fix that
[04:20] <Red> reinstall the whole thing
[04:21] <Red> i was wanting to install different thems but the adept just stopped responding
[04:21] <Red> so u had to restart and now i get nothing
[04:21] <Red> i*
[04:21] <Red> i was installing the kdmtheme
[04:21] <draik> I think you got ahold of something that wasn't made for your version of Kubuntu
[04:22] <Red> and to fix that i have to reinstall the whole thing
[04:22] <Jucato> Red: what do you mean by "now I get nothing"??
[04:23] <Red> i type in my password and it goes to a light blue background with an active konsole in the upper left hand corner
[04:23] <Red> and thats it
[04:23] <Red> but the login screen looks different as well
[04:23] <Jucato> hmmm
[04:24] <Red> is there some sort of recovery or restore
[04:24] <enzo> I know I had that same issue before, but I can't recall the fix
[04:24] <enzo> other than undoing what you did last
[04:25] <Red> how would i go about undoing what i did
[04:25] <enzo> well, what did you do last?
[04:25] <Jucato> Red: do you remember if Adept finished what it was doing?
[04:25] <sophie_>  /join #compiz
[04:25] <Red> nope, it didnt finish
[04:25] <enzo> That pertains to the issue
[04:25] <Red> it hung
[04:25] <Red> at 58%
[04:25] <enzo> what were you getting?
[04:25] <enzo> I think you should try again
[04:25] <Jucato> Red: if you can get to a command line, try typing this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[04:25] <Red> kdmtheme
[04:25] <enzo> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:26] <Red> the konsole that pops up is active and i can type in it
[04:26] <enzo> go for it
[04:26] <enzo> do as Jucato said
[04:26] <Jucato> enzo: :-p
[04:26] <enzo> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:26] <Red> ok will do
[04:27] <enzo> What?
[04:27] <enzo> I can admit when I'm wrong...
[04:27] <Red> i have to switch machines real quick
[04:27] <Jucato> of course, I wasn't saying anything ^_^
[04:27] <enzo> Jucato's method was right, I was wrong
[04:27] <Jucato> enzo: what happened to draik?
[04:27] <D4rkly> !transparent
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about transparent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <enzo> desktop froze
[04:27] <Jucato> oh...
[04:27] <D4rkly> !transparency
[04:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:28] <Red> sudo dpkg --configure -a that is what i need
[04:28] <D4rkly> !composite
[04:28] <enzo> yup
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <Martijn81> !fishing
[04:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[04:28] <draik> BACK
[04:28] <Knightlust> hehehe, ubotu got angry
[04:28] <Jucato> D4rkly: you know you can make ubotu send you the results of your queries privately by doing !<query> > D4rkly
[04:29] <D4rkly> oh cool
[04:29] <Jucato> D4rkly: something like !compiz > D4rkly
[04:29] <draik> ok
[04:30] <D4rkly> any one know how i can enable true transparency rather than pseudo ? i saw a tutorial somewher
[04:30] <draik> Is there a new version of flash available?
[04:30] <_bbeck> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could download the init replacement, I know that it isn't done yet, but I'd like to have a peek at what it looks like so far.
[04:31] <Jucato> draik: what new version?
[04:31] <draik> dunno
[04:31] <Jucato> _bbeck: you talking about upstart?
[04:31] <draik> was viewing a video on MySpace and it told me to update my flash
[04:31] <Jucato> draik: oh... Flash 9 (and 8 I think) ain't available natively...
[04:32] <draik> I hope it's still not talking about Flash 9
[04:32] <draik> right
[04:32] <Jucato> you can try installing firefox in Wine then Flash 9
[04:32] <draik> I press ignore and all I get is audio
[04:32] <_bbeck> Jucato: I'm not certain of the name, but the one outlined here... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit
[04:32] <draik> nah
[04:32] <draik> it's not important
[04:33] <Jucato> _bbeck: yes, it's upstart. better ask the people in #ubuntu+1 since it's an Edgy thing
[04:33] <_bbeck> Jucato: thanks.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> _bbeck: it's in universe, for edgy, so far
[04:35] <Jucato> so now Ubuntu has upstart for it's own init system, and USplash for its own bootsplash... well at least they do admit it's an NIH thing...
[04:41] <otaku-san> Hey this is a quick gimp question.  okay when I look at tuts on stuff like Canvas resizing (it's different then I'm used to) they're Canvas Resizing options have more stuff that I need but my Gimp doesn't have...is it because I need some plugin?
[04:42] <D4rkly> ive installed Xgl but all my fonts are tiny how do i fix this ?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> otaku-san: probably ask that in #ubuntu
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: NIH?
[04:45] <Jucato> Not Invented Here [syndrome] 
[04:45] <Jucato> (for which KDE is always accused of...)
[04:47] <otaku-san> Hobbsee: good idea
[04:47] <Jucato> otaku-san: or in #gimp (if there is one...)
[04:47] <Agios> Jucato: the problem is,splash screens are no big deal, but if they hose up init processing in a big way it's not going to go over well.  They just got through apologizing for the xorg foul up.
[04:47] <otaku-san> Jucato: there is....probably better for me to go there
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah right.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Agios: yes, but this is edgy, and it's supposed ot break.
[04:47] <Agios> lol
[04:48] <Jucato> lol
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Agios: that dapper screw up was *incredibly* bad though
[04:48] <Hobbsee> that's why we keep telling peple "dont use edgy unless you're a developer!  you dont want it!"
[04:48] <Jucato> and I keep telling "Edgy will be released in October, but it will probably be less stable than Dapper"
[04:52] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! glad to see (not your "clone")
[04:54] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[05:03] <Phrozen_One> hey all, any cons to installing the 64-bit version of kubuntu? (drivers, apps, etc. incompabilities?)
[05:11] <Kr4t05> Gar...
[05:12] <Kr4t05> I try to apply a Theme to my KBFX, and it refuses to stick.
[05:13] <niceman2> hi kubuntu is a shitty os
[05:14] <Festyur> where can i find a list of linux compatible 802.11 NICs?
[05:14] <Hawkwind> niceman2: Watch the language please and don't troll
[05:15] <Ballistik> niceman2: Why do you think that?
[05:18] <KaiHanari> Hawkwind, Ballistik ,  they are just a troll, they are only on here and #bash, they got pwnd over there
[05:18] <KaiHanari> * niceman2 (n=none@69-173-186-66.sbtnvt.adelphia.net) has joined #bash
[05:18] <KaiHanari> niceman2 hi bash is a shit shell
[05:18] <KaiHanari> TheBonsai then don't use it. easy enough?
[05:18] <KaiHanari> havent said anything anywhere since.
[05:20] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: You there?
[05:33] <InuDuelist> Kr4t05: Yeah, I'm here.
[05:33] <InuDuelist> What's up?
[05:33] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: I can't seem to get my KBFX themes to stick.
[05:34] <InuDuelist> Oh?
[05:34] <InuDuelist> What's the problem?
[05:34] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: I open the KBFX config and go to the Themes tab.
[05:34] <InuDuelist> Have you reached the Config menu?
[05:34] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[05:34] <InuDuelist> OK.
[05:35] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: I point it to the folder containing my themes (~/.kbfx/Themes) and select the theme I want to use. I press Apply.
[05:35] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: Nothing changes.
[05:35] <InuDuelist> ...
[05:35] <InuDuelist> Hmm...
[05:35] <InuDuelist> Let's see.
[05:36] <Kr4t05> I press Reload, still nothing.
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Try pressing save.
[05:36] <InuDuelist> :P
[05:36] <Kr4t05> Nada
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Let's make sure that you at least have the mode set.
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Go to "Menu Style".
[05:36] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[05:37] <Kr4t05> KBFX SPINX
[05:37] <InuDuelist> Hmm.
[05:37] <InuDuelist> Gimme a minute.
[05:37] <InuDuelist> Just to make sure, you've selected to correct theme, right?
[05:38] <Kr4t05> Yes
[05:39] <InuDuelist> Hm...
[05:39] <InuDuelist> Take a screenshot.
[05:39] <Kr4t05> I somehow stumbled onto it.
[05:39] <InuDuelist> I may be missing something.
[05:39] <InuDuelist> Fixed?
[05:40] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: Install New Theme "Apply" Installed Theme "Apply', Save and Reload.
[05:40] <Kr4t05> Gar.
[05:41] <Kr4t05> Well, that's one thing taken care of.
[05:41] <Kr4t05> All I need is a wallpaper and my transformation will be complete! :)
[05:41] <D4rkly>      /j #compiz
[05:42] <D4rkly> anyone know how i run gconftool-2 to configure compiz ?
[05:43] <InuDuelist> ...
[05:43] <InuDuelist> You didn't apply?
[05:43] <InuDuelist> >_<
[05:44] <Kr4t05> InuDuelist: You have to press two different ones, I think...
[05:44] <Wabs> Hey guys, what's the difference between the Kubuntu DVD .iso and the Live CD .iso, because I have both and i'm thinking of changing from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[05:45] <Kr4t05> Wabs: AFAIK the Dapper Live CD is the install CD.
[05:45] <Wabs> So what's the DVD iso for?
[05:46] <Kr4t05> Oh, DVD...
[05:46] <Kr4t05> No clue, I haven't used the DVD version.
[05:46] <Kr4t05> If they were offered by shipit, I would get on of Edgy when realeased. :)
[05:47] <D4rkly> i got XGL and compiz running its wicked :) just follow this(read carefully and follow exactly. compiz-kde is not needed compiz-gnome works just fine) after installing and enabling nvidia gl drivers and emabling composite and hardware accel. in xorgconf https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[05:47] <Wabs> when does Edgey Eft come out btw?
[05:47] <Wabs> it's a 6 month cycle now right
[05:47] <Jucato> DVD has more apps available for installation without the internet
[05:47] <Jucato> Edgy comes out in October
[05:47] <Wabs> thought so
[05:48] <Wabs> Is it easy to upgrade from Dapper Drake to Edgy Eft?
[05:48] <Kr4t05> Waiting is so hard. ><
[05:48] <DShepherd> Wabs: it depends on what you define as easy
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:49] <Wabs> Well, is it just like, grab the newest version's iso via bittorrent, burn it to a cd or dvd, pop it in and upgrade, or does it appear in a list of updates, or would i go through terminal?
[05:50] <foxjwill> Hi. I have dapper with gnome and am trying to install kubuntu via apt-get kubuntu-desktop. but i keep getting this error: "Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins but it is not going to be installed"
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Wabs: not at the moment
[05:50] <DShepherd> Wabs: well not that I am recommending you to upgrade to edgy just yet.. but changing dapper to edgy in your sources.list should be find
[05:51] <Hobbsee> foxjwill: that would be dapper?
[05:51] <foxjwill> yes
[05:51] <Hobbsee> foxjwill: install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
[05:51] <foxjwill> ok
[05:51] <Hobbsee> or at least i looked at it, and figured it out
[05:51] <DShepherd> Hobbsee: boo boo?
[05:51] <CapNemo> anybody knows a good lib to use socket on c/c++ ?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> DShepherd: not mine.  i'm not sure what's broken there
[05:51] <foxjwill> "kdegraphics-kfile-plugins:
[05:51] <foxjwill>  Depends: libpoppler1-qt but it is not going to be installed"
[05:52] <Hobbsee> install libpoppler1-qt as well then
[05:52] <foxjwill> libpoppler1-qt:
[05:52] <foxjwill>   Depends: libpoppler1 (=0.5.1-0ubuntu7) but 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:52] <Hobbsee> nice.
[05:52] <DShepherd> heheh
[05:52] <DShepherd> seems pretty deep
[05:52] <Wabs> DShepherd
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hey what...
[05:53] <DShepherd> Wabs: yes?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that's the generally screwed up thing.
[05:53] <Wabs> I'm not gonna play with the experimental version, but I mean when it comes out in a stable, i'll grab it 8)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> foxjwill: you'd be using extra repos there?
[05:53] <DShepherd> Wabs: kool.. dont be like me ;-)
[05:53] <foxjwill> I was, but I removed them.
[05:54] <Wabs> I'm a Linux newbie, so it's not my bag to be messing with experimentals yet
[05:54] <Wabs> Hell, I know Windows really well but I still don't play with the Vista betas
[05:55] <DShepherd> Wabs: k
[05:55] <DShepherd> Wabs: your wise
[05:56] <Wabs> messed something up playing with the experimental, DShepherd?
[05:57] <DShepherd> me.. I always mess stuff up :-D
[05:57] <Wabs> yeah, that's why i don't wanna mess with it
[05:58] <Wabs> but I think i'm gonna wait until Egdy Eft comes out to upgrade to Kubuntu, cuz nobody uses the Linux Laptop that much because the keyboard is missing keys, so i need to put in a new keyboard and PCMIA Wireless-B/G card
[06:08] <alex_> hey everyone
[06:08] <otaku-san> hey how would I change kubuntu to stop going to Konqueror for browsers and change it to Firefox?
[06:09] <otaku-san> alex_: hello
[06:09] <alex_> why not just use the firefox shortcut directly?
[06:09] <alex_> or you mean how to set it up as a default browser?
[06:09] <intelikey> otaku-san my question is why would you ?
[06:10] <alex_> hehe
[06:10] <alex_> I have the same question, why would you... really?
[06:11] <otaku-san> intelikey: because I prefer Firefox over Konq....among other reasons...I don't hate Konq...just don't want to use it for webbrowsing
[06:11] <intelikey> granted i'm no ff fan.  but konq is 'heep mo betta-n-good'
[06:12] <DFM> isn't konq... based of ff?
[06:12] <otaku-san> but for me my connection goes way slower than with Firefox....Anyways I have everything in Firefox...
[06:12] <otaku-san> yes Konq is based off of FF
[06:13] <intelikey> otaku-san but to answer your Q  prefered application  iirc        (cli guy here)
[06:14] <intelikey> no based on mozilla    but so is everything but IE
[06:14] <otaku-san> intelikey: what do you mean?
[06:14] <intelikey> and i'm not sure IE is moz tech,
[06:14] <jamadagni> hello
[06:14] <otaku-san> not about the based thing...but the other thing
[06:15] <jamadagni> can anyone tell me what the contents of /var/cache/apt/archive/partial are?
[06:15] <jamadagni> i know that /var/cache/apt/archives contains dloaded installation fiels
[06:15] <intelikey> otaku-san set the prefered application   web browser to  ff
[06:15] <jamadagni> but the partial directory does not seem to contain partially downloaded files
[06:15] <jamadagni> but they are also fully donwloaded
[06:15] <otaku-san> IE is taken off of some tiny little no name browser that was supremely buggy...Microsuck gobbled it up and spit out IE...sad freaks
[06:15] <intelikey> kcontrol
[06:16] <otaku-san> thanks
[06:16] <intelikey> jamadagni partial downloaded packages from the apt repos
[06:16] <jamadagni> well they don't seem to be partially dlaoded
[06:17] <jamadagni> but they are full files
[06:17] <jamadagni> you may also notice that on a clean install system too, this folder contains some packages
[06:18] <intelikey> jamadagni do sudo apt-get linux-source   and hit [ctrl] +C when it starts downloading and it will leave the partial in that dir.   if you finish the dl it moves it to ../
[06:19] <intelikey> jamadagni you can safely sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*
[06:20] <intelikey> and  sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*    for that matter.
[06:20] <gogeta> or
[06:20] <gogeta> apt-get clean
[06:20] <gogeta> lol
[06:20] <gogeta> that deletes alldownloadedfiles
[06:21] <intelikey> no   sudo apt-get clean
[06:21] <alex_> does anyone know how to get the ATI drivers through the repos (I believe that's the term)
[06:21] <gogeta> yes but there broken
[06:21] <alex_> I heard that if you manually install the drivers by downloading them from the website, then a kernel update will kill the X server
[06:21] <gogeta> better to instakll the newer one from ati
[06:21] <alex_> ok
[06:22] <intelikey> if you don't do it as root it rm's nothing
[06:22] <gogeta> wellit doesent kill x
[06:22] <intelikey> !ati
[06:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:22] <gogeta> but you will lose your driver
[06:22] <gogeta> and will ahve to reinstall it for the newer kernel
[06:22] <alex_> yes I know
[06:23] <alex_> I heard there is a simply script to do it?
[06:23] <alex_> that comes with the driver package
[06:23] <gogeta> well you can genrate a binary deb
[06:24] <gogeta> and it runs all the scripts nedded
[06:24] <wweasel> Hi, I use Kopete under Gnome (sorry guys :P), and I am having an issue. I think it probably has to do with KDE settings, so I am asking here. When I receive a new message the taskbar flashes, even if I am in the chat windows already.
[06:24] <gogeta> easy
[06:24] <gogeta> your running it under gnome
[06:24] <gogeta> lol
[06:25] <intelikey> sounds like a gnome thing to me.
[06:26] <intelikey> a 'nome thang
[06:26] <wweasel> intelikey: I used to KMess and I didn't have this issue.
[06:26] <wweasel> (The KDE chat clients have the gnome ones beat hands down.
[06:26] <gogeta> nope
[06:26] <gogeta> gaim ownz all of them
[06:27] <wweasel> gogeta: I disagree, I hate gaim. But, we all have our preferences. That's why we have KDE, Gnome, Kopete and Gaim...
[06:27] <intelikey> gaim smells of urine
[06:27] <intelikey> i said it stinks.
[06:28] <wweasel> no, gaim thinks that the users want to hear a symphony of alert sound effects.
[06:28] <intelikey> can you hear me now ?
[06:28] <gogeta> lol
[06:28] <gogeta> turn them off
[06:28] <intelikey> :)
[06:29] <intelikey> i looked at gaim one time.   it's awful !
[06:29] <wweasel> gogeta: It also likes to tell you every time your contact minimizes the window.
[06:29] <intelikey> i think i'm being way too graphic........
[06:30] <Modern_Myth> evenin' ... does the latest kubuntu use arts by default?
[06:30] <wweasel> intelikey: But do you have any idea how I could fix this flashy taskbar thing?
[06:30] <intelikey> wweasel actually no.   sorry to be so useless....
[06:31] <InuDuelist> Mmm, bedtime.
[06:31] <intelikey> wweasel i rarely startx and never gnome so ...
[06:32] <gogeta> lol
[06:32] <intelikey> in fact this box has not had an X server started sense i booted it up.
[06:32] <intelikey> tty2 [greg$~]  uptime
[06:32] <intelikey> Uptime: 27 days 23 hours 32 mins 04 sec
[06:33] <gogeta> yes yes mr lag
[06:33] <intelikey> hmmm been longer than i thought....
[06:34] <gogeta> ill send you a ping lol
[06:34] <gogeta> youwilllag for 10minuts
[06:34] <gogeta> lol
[06:34] <intelikey> hehhe   this doesn't really look safe.
[06:34] <intelikey> tty21 [root@~]  cat /etc/sudoers
[06:34] <intelikey> ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD
[06:35] <intelikey> bet i dont
[06:35] <intelikey> but you may  :)
[06:35] <gogeta> i rember you laging relly bad forlike 2 dayslol
[06:36] <intelikey> yeah data transfer on modem is      well as bad as gaim.
[06:36] <gogeta> yourun without x lol
[06:36] <intelikey> :)
[06:36] <gogeta> doesent textmode get wellannoying
[06:37] <intelikey> !cli
[06:37] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:37] <gogeta> lol
[06:37] <gogeta> iknoe how to use text only linux
[06:38] <intelikey> i guess you never used a graphic browser in console frame buffer mode     or never watched a vidio on console before.
[06:38] <gogeta> mypc at work suck and are text linux
[06:39] <gogeta> naa i have used xninit befor
[06:39] <gogeta> for gaming
[06:39] <gogeta> so it has no overhead
[06:40] <intelikey> what do you do in X that i can't (and might want too) in a console ?      key word may be "want"
[06:40] <gogeta> but for genrel use i use kde
[06:40] <gogeta> weell some things dont support fb mode
[06:41] <alex_> !ati
[06:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <gogeta> also fb is slower then x
[06:41] <gogeta> sence you cant use dri or any other typeof acell
[06:42] <intelikey> faster.   direct kernel fb    not some eumlated stuff
[06:42] <gogeta> oh
[06:42] <gogeta> back in my days dri fb was still very early
[06:43] <gogeta> they finnly got that working hua
[06:43] <intelikey> oh well   dri   i wasn't including.  you may be right there....
[06:43] <gogeta> still softwhere renderd then
[06:44] <intelikey> not being a gammer and never using dri either way   i couldn't say.
[06:44] <gogeta> sri is used for more then gaming
[06:44] <gogeta> it acellsxaswell
[06:44] <intelikey> but with no dri  kernel fb is faster than X
[06:44] <gogeta> yes
[06:44] <gogeta> it wouldbe
[06:45] <gogeta> x withoutdri is slow
[06:45] <gogeta> very very slow
[06:45] <intelikey> yep
[06:45] <wweasel> I'm using Kopete under Gnome and I'm having a bit of an issue. When I receive a new message the taskbar starts flashing, even if I am already in the chat window.
[06:45] <gogeta> iloadeda few 496pcswith slack and x sucks on them
[06:46] <gogeta> does run thow
[06:46] <wweasel> Argh, sorry guys. I meant to put that in another channel
[06:46] <draik> How do I send a file through my network?
[06:46] <draik> I want to force a file through
[06:46] <wweasel> draik: Windows network? Samba
[06:46] <draik> No windows... it's all Kubuntu
[06:46] <intelikey> what couple houndred fps ?
[06:46] <draik> both of them
[06:46] <narg> start a ftp/ssh server on one of them?
[06:47] <narg> so you can use scp or ftp to move the file
[06:47] <draik> I can't just send the file straight through with a command?
[06:47] <gogeta> didnt check there loaded very lightly
[06:47] <gogeta> windowmaker gui
[06:47] <intelikey> sshd
[06:47] <intelikey> rsync
[06:47] <narg> draik: you need to somehow log into the box your trying to send to
[06:48] <draik> sshd?
[06:48] <narg> that will work yea.
[06:48] <draik> rsync?
[06:48] <draik> sudo apt-get install sshd     ?
[06:48] <narg> If you just want simple transfer, do apt-get install sshd
[06:48] <intelikey> draik you can reinvent the wheel if you want to,  but sshd is simple enough i can use it.     and i'm network illiterate.
[06:49] <narg> start it on one of the boxes, and then use fish:// in konqueror on the other
[06:49] <draik> How do I get sshd?
[06:49] <intelikey> yes
[06:49] <narg> apt-get install sshd
[06:49] <draik> I tried that
[06:49] <deb> draik: apt-get install openssh-server .
[06:49] <draik> E: Couldn't find package sshd
[06:49] <intelikey> draik you said it.....   sudo apt-get install sshd
[06:49] <narg> deb: ah, your right
[06:50] <draik> deb: It's downloading and all
[06:50] <deb> draik: sudo apt-get install openssh-client
[06:50] <draik> Is there a tut on this?
[06:50] <narg> tut?
[06:50] <draik> tutorial
[06:50] <intelikey> oh they removed the meta package....   openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement
[06:51] <narg> hrm, somewhere probably. Perhaps google it?
[06:51] <deb> draik: http://www.openssh.com/
[06:51] <intelikey> man pages also
[06:51] <draik> ok
[06:51] <gogeta> just search for it
[06:51] <draik> so I put server on the sender and client on the recipient?
[06:51] <gogeta> maybe its just ssh
[06:51] <narg> draik: right.
[06:51] <intelikey> kong man://sshd
[06:51] <gogeta> sshd is the deamion
[06:52] <gogeta> probly aruldy installed
[06:52] <deb> draik: u need to have sshd running at server then only u can ssh to that perticular machine .
[06:52] <draik> kew
[06:52] <Modern_Myth> What's the difference between the regualr and alternate isos?
[06:53] <draik> well, my other Kubuntu machine says that the client is already installed
[06:53] <deb> Modern_Myth: I guess some advanced installation option are available .
[06:53] <gogeta> alt iso can run unintended
[06:53] <gogeta> there for mass installs
[06:54] <deb> draik: k. check if it's running . ps wax | grep ssh
[06:54] <gogeta> reg is what 90% of peopleneed
[06:54] <intelikey> Modern_Myth if your new to linux you might like the live cd  (regular) installer    if you want to costumize your install in any way  better use the alternative.
[06:55] <draik> How do I know if its running?
[06:55] <Modern_Myth> ahhh ... no mass installing here. cool. is arts the default sound system? Not new, but new to ubuntu/debian
[06:55] <deb> draik: ps wax | grep ssh
[06:55] <draik> did that
[06:55] <draik> how do I know if its running
[06:55] <draik> just as long as it shows back info?
[06:55] <deb> draik: u should see something like  : 4364 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[06:56] <narg> it should say /sbin/sshd
[06:56] <narg> or /usr/sbin/sshd :)
[06:56] <draik>  5308 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager
[06:56] <draik> 17931 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[06:56] <deb> draik: it's running .
[06:56] <draik> 21900 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep ssh
[06:56] <draik> kew
[06:57] <gogeta> easy enough to log in one of your pcs
[06:57] <gogeta> ssh its ip
[06:57] <deb> draik: try to ssh to some machine . ssh <username>@<ip>
[06:57] <draik> ok
[06:57] <gogeta> that to
[06:57] <draik> ssh <user>@<123.456.789.012>           ?
[06:58] <gogeta> no<>
[06:58] <draik> right
[06:58] <draik> didn't do any
[06:58] <draik> Connection refused
[06:58] <gogeta> the machines might not allow the conections
[06:58] <gogeta> you needto configure them
[06:59] <deb> draik: thhis means that sshd is not running at the machine u try to connect .
[06:59] <intelikey> ssh draik@localhost
[06:59] <gogeta> not relly
[06:59] <draik> It's running on both
[06:59] <narg> I think sshd disallows interactive logins by default
[06:59] <gogeta> most liux installs have ssh but firewalled off
[06:59] <gogeta> he needs to enable it
[07:00] <draik> How do I enable it?
[07:00] <gogeta> humm
[07:00] <gogeta> if it was a suse install its threw yast
[07:00] <draik> Kubuntu?
[07:00] <gogeta> but i never enabled a kubunto system
[07:00] <actinic> ssh - port 22 is open, right?
[07:00] <draik> how do I check my ports?
[07:00] <gogeta> you need toopen port22on the firewall
[07:01] <draik> on the firewall
[07:01] <intelikey> narg default... no  i don't think so.    ubuntu installs of ssh are pretty much ready to connect.   remember they are not about security.  they are about getting windows users happily linuxed
[07:01] <gogeta> nolinuxdistro leaves ssh open lol
[07:01] <gogeta> not even these guys
[07:02] <narg> gogeta: you'd be surprised
[07:02] <actinic> !ssh
[07:02] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[07:03] <gogeta> hell even osx has ssh enabld but firewalled
[07:03] <gogeta> and thats all abought easeof use\
[07:03] <gogeta> same for samba
[07:04] <draik> LOL
[07:04] <draik> Great
[07:04] <draik> it worked backwards
[07:05] <draik> LOL
[07:05] <gogeta> ?
[07:05] <draik> I can remote from laptop to desktop, not the other way around
[07:05] <rredd4> I have a 2400 series lexmark usb printer that is connected to a desktop computer that is usually in windows xp.  I have a laptop  that uses dapper and windoze.  I can share the printer in windoze.  Is it possible to do the same in dapper?  is there a wrapper that will work with the windoze driver?
[07:06] <draik> I want desktop to laptop
[07:06] <intelikey> gogeta well ubuntu has no firewall by default.
[07:06] <gogeta> humm
[07:06] <intelikey> so run the server on the other.
[07:06] <gogeta> maybe the laptop doesent have ssh installed
[07:06] <intelikey> draik ^
[07:06] <draik> it does
[07:06] <gogeta> the server
[07:06] <draik> it said it did
[07:06] <draik> and that it was the latest version
[07:07] <intelikey> now what you gonna do with that gogeta ?
[07:07] <gogeta> lol make shure you have the correct ip try again
[07:07] <draik> I do
[07:07] <draik> intelikey, will try that next
[07:07] <draik> deb, thank you for your help
[07:07] <draik> gogeta and intelikey, thank you for your patience as well
[07:07] <gogeta> set c4 on the desktop
[07:08] <gogeta> problem fixed
[07:08] <gogeta> forever
[07:08] <intelikey> draik is the sshd running on the box you are trying to ssh into ?
[07:08] <intelikey> you can ssh into localhost to test it.
[07:08] <draik> it's running on both
[07:09] <draik> I am currently installing the server on the laptop
[07:10] <intelikey> ssh draik@localhost  will test the box you run it on.  it uses loop back   so   lo 127.0.0.1   must be up to ssh into lcalhost    (ip can vary)
[07:10] <draik> yup
[07:10] <draik> I can connect to my own localhost
[07:10] <intelikey> "<draik> it's running on both" ++ "<draik> I am currently installing the server on the laptop"    how can it be running and also being installed ?
[07:11] <intelikey> then the remote should be able to connect to it.
[07:11] <draik> I did the test on both "ps wax | grep ssh" and both were running
[07:12] <gogeta> the server and client are 2 diffrent programs
[07:12] <draik> I installed the server on the desktop and the client was already installed on the laptop
[07:12] <gogeta> thats why it worked backwords
[07:12] <gogeta> lol
[07:12] <draik> so now I installed the server on the laptop
[07:12] <gogeta> laptop should be ready now then
[07:13] <intelikey> posable firewall   or altered /etc/ssh/sshd.conf     or  /etc/hosts.deny   those can break it for you.
[07:13] <intelikey> but generally yes.
[07:13] <michael__> hey all, quick question... is the update fixed now?  just installed on new and dont wanna futz it up..
[07:13] <gogeta> naa these are fresh instalsnofirewall
[07:13] <draik> perfect, I'm in
[07:13] <draik> woohoo
[07:13] <gogeta> itshould work by default
[07:13] <gogeta> and itjust did
[07:13] <gogeta> lol
[07:13] <draik> yup
[07:13] <draik> yippy!
[07:14] <rredd4> is there software available to use windows printer drivers for dapper?  my printer does not have a linux driver
[07:14] <gogeta> it would be wise toblock port22 from outsideconnections from the net at the roughter level
[07:15] <narg> or just disallow password logins on sshd.
[07:15] <intelikey> gogeta which blows your  "<gogeta> nolinuxdistro leaves ssh open lol
[07:15] <gogeta> shure did
[07:15] <gogeta> rembers tofirewallkubunto later
[07:15] <gogeta> lol
[07:16] <intelikey> gogeta yes.  or turn sshd off on the box they can hit.
[07:16] <gogeta> my boxes are a xbox/modbox pc and a imac
[07:16] <BlindDevoshun> rembers tofirewalkubunto later
[07:17] <gogeta> lol
[07:17] <gogeta> i just cleaned this keybord keys still stiff
[07:17] <intelikey> gogeta like i said *buntu is not at all about security.   not in any way shape form or fashion.   they are all about "get that windows **** happily linuxed at all costs"
[07:17] <draik> How do you turn off sshd?
[07:18] <gogeta> disable it at boot
[07:18] <draik> how?
[07:18] <BlindDevoshun> lol
[07:18] <gogeta> arg
[07:18] <deb> draik: killall sshd
[07:18] <draik> can I do that now, or only at boot?
[07:18] <gogeta> killall works anytime
[07:18] <intelikey> draik sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop     then use update-rc.d to switch it so it doesn't restart at boot
[07:18] <gogeta> you can make it neverload by default
[07:19] <gogeta> then instaeedof stopuse start
[07:19] <draik> kew
[07:19] <gogeta> when you whant it on
[07:19] <intelikey> man update-rc.d
[07:20] <intelikey> gogeta as far as that goes.   sshd   works anytime too  :)
[07:20] <intelikey> root that  ^
[07:20] <timbba> still new to kubuntu and linux, so i need some help again..
[07:20] <gogeta> lol
[07:21] <timbba> I installed styleclock for kde, but how can I start it?
[07:21] <gogeta> my newbie linux days i managedto crash the system
[07:21] <intelikey> ask if it's ok to ask if it's ok to ask a question first.
[07:21] <gogeta> lol
[07:21] <gogeta> yes i crashed linux
[07:21] <intelikey> :)
[07:21] <gogeta> a redhat system
[07:21] <gogeta> lol
[07:22] <deoptima> can i ask something?
[07:22] <gogeta> of course
[07:22] <intelikey> lol @ deoptima
[07:22] <deoptima> how so you decompress a bz2 file?
[07:22] <deoptima> i had to ask if i could ask
[07:22] <gogeta> thers a few ways
[07:22] <deoptima> ok command line
[07:22] <gogeta> bunzip2 -d file
[07:23] <gogeta> you can doit with tar as well but i forgotthe command
[07:23] <draik> Thank you deb, gogeta and intelikey
[07:23] <intelikey> timbba try konsole    style[TAB]         see if it dont complete the command for you.
[07:23] <deoptima> sweet works like a charm i tried bunzip but not bunzip2
[07:24] <deoptima> [tab]  rocks
[07:24] <gogeta> yea commion mastake
[07:24] <timbba> intelikey: it doesn't complete..
[07:24] <intelikey> deoptima bunzip blah
[07:25] <intelikey> timbba hmmm     let me check.
[07:27] <intelikey> oh timbba that may not be an app   just skins for the clock app    try right click the clock and properties
[07:28] <timbba> tried that too, but can't find the styleclock there..
[07:29] <intelikey> actually it says it has an executable.      timbba do this.    dpkg -L styleclock | grep 'bin/'
[07:30] <intelikey> see if that shows anything.
[07:30] <timbba> nothing
[07:30] <intelikey> well that's not good.
[07:31] <intelikey> give me a sec
[07:32] <intelikey> i'm getting it now.  it takes me long time  'dialup'
[07:32] <BlindDevoshun> champagne grapes are good too though
[07:35] <intelikey> timbba open    /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/fashionclock/index.docbook
[07:36] <timbba> ok
[07:37] <timbba> what now? opened it by kate
[07:39] <intelikey> timbba let me try one more time.    i'll see if i can make this painless.      in konqueror  dubble click    /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/styleclock.desktop    and see what happens
[07:41] <intelikey> timbba how did that work out ?
[07:42] <timbba> it gives me an error that the file doesn't have a Type=...
[07:44] <BlindDevoshun> what has magda seen that is so important
[07:44] <intelikey> mercy me.       if you can't find it in the add to pannel menu you must be SOL    </shrugs>
[07:44] <intelikey> there is nothing else executable in that package.
[07:46] <timbba> now it works... sorry for my stupidity.. add to panel, of course... I just supposed that it would replace my clock..
[07:46] <Diabolic> Is there a Windows Media Player plugin for Linux?
[07:47] <intelikey> timbba i think it would have on a restart of X   not sure though.
[07:47] <intelikey> plugin ?
[07:47] <intelikey> !mplayer
[07:47] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[07:47] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[07:47] <intelikey> !vlc
[07:47] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:48] <Diabolic> intelikey: For web browsers.
[07:48] <timbba> thanks intelikey
[07:48] <intelikey> Diabolic take your pick ^
[07:49] <intelikey> timbba yeah no problem.  sorry i took the long way around.   just assumed you checked the obvious first....
[07:49] <kevjava> Diabolic: Try apt-get install mozilla-mplayer.
[07:49] <michael__> diabolic-http://www.elijahlofgren.com/linux/ubuntu/multimedia/
[07:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:49] <michael__> lotsa answers out there
[07:50] <kevjava> Diabolic: It's in the multiverse repo
[07:50] <Diabolic> kevjava: k, but would it work for Opera as well?
[07:50] <intelikey> like i said.   take your pick.   there is xine and mplayer plugins as well as other answers.
[07:51] <Diabolic> Yep.
[07:51] <kevjava> Hmm.. dunno, I don't really use opera... maybe it's like konqueror and uses mozilla plugins, though.
[07:51] <Diabolic> Thanks.
[07:51] <intelikey> well fellaz,  i'm went.
[07:54] <jamadagni> hello i am trying to create a local repo using dpkg-scanpackages and it says:
[07:54] <jamadagni> Packages in archive but missing from override file:
[07:54] <jamadagni> what to do?
[07:56] <Diabolic> !codecs
[07:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:57] <BlindDevoshun> !codecs
[07:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:04] <spazz> no programs will open.
[08:04] <spazz> ... argh.
[08:05] <BlindDevoshun> hahaha
[08:05] <jamadagni> hello can anyone help me?
[08:05] <spazz> i can help you break something
[08:05] <spazz> if thats what you need
[08:05] <jamadagni> oh ocme on -- i asked a q above about an error
[08:06] <spazz> ... today?
[08:06] <spazz> i wasnt looking in here.
[08:06] <spazz> i just opened the window.
[08:06] <madhatter_> can somebody tell me how to install a package off the internet?
[08:07] <jamadagni>  i am trying to create a local repo using dpkg-scanpackages and it says:
[08:07] <jamadagni> Packages in archive but missing from override file:
[08:07] <jamadagni>  what to do?
[08:07] <jamadagni> @madhatter_ - pl be more specific. is the package available from the ubuntu repos or no?
[08:07] <Jucato> guess the experts are still out...
[08:07] <Jucato> [ADVERTISEMENT]  Can't find the answer you are looking for here? Try the forums! http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:08] <spazz> The forums ate my computers soul.
[08:08] <Jucato> O_o
[08:08] <spazz> >-<
[08:08] <madhatter_> qt23-dev-tools
[08:08] <spazz> Argh! I just installed Frostwire.
[08:08] <madhatter_> trying to get wifi working :P
[08:08] <spazz> Buuuuuuuuuuuuut it won't open. It tries to. But it doesn't.
[08:09] <spazz> Programs have been refusing to launch lately.
[08:09] <spazz> What's that mean?
[08:09] <Jucato> madhatter_: don't you mean qt3-dev-tools?
[08:09] <madhatter_> lol
[08:09] <madhatter_> yes
[08:09] <madhatter_> ty
[08:09] <Jucato> madhatter_: you can install it from the repositories
[08:10] <Jucato> !qt3-dev-tools
[08:10] <ubotu> qt3-dev-tools: Qt3 development tools. In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.6-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1194 kB, installed size 4096 kB
[08:10] <madhatter_> i downloaded a tar/gz file (cant remember) and don't know how to make it work
[08:10] <Jucato> madhatter_: there's no need for you to do that
[08:11] <Jucato> because the package you are trying to install can be installed from the repositories, using Adept (or apt-get)
[08:11] <madhatter_> Jucato: I am brand new at linux, and was barely able to install make / gcc, can you explain how to install from a repo?
[08:11] <jamadagni> @Jucato: while using dpkg-scanpackages I get an error;  Packages in archive but missing from override file:
[08:11] <jamadagni> can you please help?
[08:11] <jamadagni> @madhatter: open adept
[08:11] <Jucato> jamadagni: unfortunately, I have no experience in that field
[08:11] <madhatter_> adept open
[08:12] <Jucato> madhatter_: look for qt3-dev-tools
[08:12] <Jucato> in Adept, I mean
[08:12] <spazz> wtf
[08:12] <spazz> Frostwire wont open. Makes no frekaing sense.
[08:13] <madhatter_> jucato, its not there
[08:13] <spazz> how the heck do you even fix a problem like that?
[08:13] <madhatter_> apt-get told me it couldn't find it either
[08:13] <jamadagni> @spazz: try opening it from a konsole session
[08:13] <jamadagni> you will get error messages there
[08:13] <Jucato> madhatter_: it means that you don't have your repositories enabled.
[08:13] <madhatter_> ok, so what next?
[08:13] <Jucato> madhatter_: in Adept, go to Adept menu and select Manage Repositories
[08:14] <spazz> saying i need to update java and use the SUN version.
[08:14] <spazz> I thought I already isntalled the sun version.
[08:14] <Jucato> madhatter_: you will notice a lot of the lines are grayed out
[08:14] <spazz> How do I check what I have installed?
[08:14] <Jucato> !java
[08:14] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:14] <madhatter_> jucato: i see.
[08:14] <Jucato> spazz: check the section about selecting the Java version
[08:15] <Jucato> madhatter_: now, right-click on the lines that start with "deb" (not "deb-src")
[08:15] <spazz> im installing the package above
[08:15] <Jucato> spazz: even if you have installed Sun Java, you need to enable it as the default java
[08:15] <madhatter_> jucato: ok, now adept should work??
[08:15] <spazz> how do i do that?
[08:16] <Jucato> the link I gave has a section for that
[08:16] <madhatter_> or apt get i mean...
[08:16] <Jucato> madhatter_: it should. but you have to click on Apply (at the bottom) and then Fetch Updates after you have enabled those lines)
[08:17] <Jucato> madhatter_: you might also want to take a look at this Desktop Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[08:17] <Jucato> specially the part about Adding, Removing and Updating Applications
[08:17] <madhatter_> jucato: thank you so much, i've been working at this for a week now
[08:17] <Jucato> madhatter_: K Menu > Help would be your friend. The Desktop Guide can also be found there for offline reading
[08:18] <Jucato> it's very easy to understand, and written with beginners in mind
[08:19] <madhatter_> i will make sure to check that out ; )
[08:20] <ijeff> Hello.. does anyone know if there's a way to completely remove all KDE + KDE suite apps?
[08:21] <ijeff> I'd like to install the Ubuntu GNOME package instead
[08:21] <ijeff> is there anyway to do so without a total re-installation?
[08:21] <Jucato> ijeff: it's possible, but not easy
[08:21] <ijeff> How can it be done?
[08:21] <ijeff> Or would it mean manually removing each application?
[08:22] <Jucato> well, in a way, it's like that, but maybe this page could help you: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php
[08:22] <Jucato> there's a guide there about installing GNOME over Kubuntu or Xubuntu
[08:22] <Jucato> and then removing KDE (Pure Gnome)
[08:22] <ijeff> Thanks ^_^
[08:23] <Jucato> but I would personally prefer a fresh install, if you're really sure you want to kick out KDE
[08:23] <ijeff> I can't get ahold of a Ubuntu Dapper disc..
[08:23] <ijeff> and dist-upgrade is kind of sloppy
[08:23] <Jucato> ijeff: you only have a breezy installer?
[08:24] <ijeff> yes
[08:24] <Jucato> ah I see.
[08:24] <ijeff> If I were to dist-update with my Breezy..
[08:24] <ijeff> will it update my boot loading screen and such as well?
[08:25] <Jucato> if you install ubuntu-desktop over Kubuntu, the bootsplash will be changed to Ubuntu. Then during the installation, you will be asked whether you want KDM or GDM as the default
[08:26] <ijeff> oh that's great
[08:26] <ijeff> I'll do that then, along with that Pure GNOME guide
[08:26] <ijeff> thanks
[08:26] <ijeff> can Kubuntu be removed by remove kubuntu-desktop? or when it's a full install i must do it manually?
[08:27] <Jucato> the Pure GNOME page gives you the instructions you need...
[08:28] <Jucato> I'm presuming you have upgrade to Dapper already?
[08:28] <ijeff> this install, was from a Dapper Kubuntu disc
[08:28] <Jucato> aah
[08:28] <ijeff> I want to switch to an Ubuntu build
[08:28] <ijeff> (complete conversion)
[08:28] <Jucato> no, you can't use aptitude remove if it's a complete installation
[08:29] <ijeff> okay, so the manual way from Pure Gnome then?
[08:29] <Jucato> yep, the apt-get remove <long list>
[08:29] <ijeff> okay, great
[08:29] <ijeff> I'm in the process of installing GNOME-Desktop
[08:29] <ijeff> that's the one for complete gnome right?
[08:30] <Jucato> ijeff: better install ubuntu-desktop
[08:30] <ijeff> oh that's what I meant (typo) sorry
[08:30] <Jucato> ok... the "Install GNOME" page is your guide
[08:30] <ijeff> I did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:30] <Jucato> err
[08:30] <Jucato> you should use aptitude instead...
[08:30] <ijeff> what's the difference?
[08:30] <Jucato> just like what the guide says
[08:31] <Jucato> err.. nvm
[08:31] <ijeff> ><
[08:31] <Jucato> you're sure you won't go back to KDE right?
[08:31] <draik> Jucato, I read the link you sent me... VERY interesting
[08:31] <ijeff> yes
[08:31] <Jucato> draik: hehehe
[08:31] <ijeff> positive :)
[08:31] <draik> It's been going on for 3 years or so... hope to see if anything really happens
[08:31] <ijeff> (if ever not, I have my Kubuntu disc)
[08:31] <Jucato> ijeff: ehehehe
[08:32] <Jucato> draik: yeah, I really hope so. btw, if you want some more info about other KDE-related SoC projects
[08:32] <Jucato> err my mistake..
[08:32] <Jucato> not SoC... SoK
[08:32] <draik> ?
[08:32] <draik> SoK?
[08:32] <Jucato> Seasons of KDE
[08:32] <ijeff> Jucato: so apt-get install is fine? what would be the difference?
[08:32] <Jucato> SoC = Google's Summer of Code
[08:33] <draik> I need to look into that.. SoC... sounds like something I can get into
[08:33] <Jucato> well, that really depends..
[08:33] <Jucato> (that was for draik)
[08:34] <ijeff> (I know ^ ^)
[08:34] <Jucato> ijeff: while you're waiting for everything to install.... http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[08:34] <ijeff> ah cool thx
[08:34] <draik> I am looking into it ATM
[08:34] <Jucato> draik: koolness
[08:34] <spazz> O M G
[08:34] <spazz> BITTORRENT WORKING NOW
[08:34] <spazz> lol
[08:34] <Jucato> spazz: ehehehe
[08:34] <Jucato> using what?
[08:35] <spazz> lmao. I installed Bittorrent (BitTornado)
[08:35] <Jucato> draik: this: http://lwn.net/Articles/193723/  and this: http://lwn.net/Articles/193724/
[08:35] <Jucato> spazz: eheheh! go for it!
[08:35] <draik> spazz, none of my torrent clients ever work
[08:35] <spazz> Seems to be picky about some torrens though. Like, tried a Family Guy torrent and it had some kinda error like it wouldn't even conenct to peers.
[08:35] <madhatter_> Jucato: i ran into a problem following an Ubuntu wiki, is it possible you can take a brief look at it?
[08:36] <ijeff> jucato: hmm aptitude looks more efficient
[08:36] <spazz> draik - yea ... it's been a hassle to get things running right here.
[08:36] <Jucato> madhatter_: if I can help..
[08:36] <madhatter_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[08:36] <Jucato> ijeff: yeah, but the only problem is that if you're going to make Ubuntu your main system
[08:36] <Jucato> ijeff: you might want to be able to remove ubuntu-desktop at one point or another
[08:37] <madhatter_> Jucato: i am at 3.3.4
[08:37] <spazz> What's ubuntu-desktop?
[08:37] <Jucato> madhatter_: I'll check. I'm not familiar with WiFi though
[08:37] <ijeff> jucato: this is a temporary computer of mine (until I order my new iMac) so I format a lot on this machine
[08:37] <spazz> ... lol @ ijeff - I'm getting a Mac too ... in like.. lol... prob another year when I have enough money saved up lol.
[08:38] <madhatter_> Jucato: i ran into my problem when i did make, and it gave me an error but said don't worry, so i moved on and my computer froze when i activated the card
[08:38] <spazz> still have to turbo teh car and all lol
[08:38] <Jucato> spazz: the metapackage which installs Ubuntu's selection of GNOME apps and Ubuntu's default settings
[08:38] <ijeff> spazz: I broke my Powerbook G4 17" =(
[08:38] <spazz> aww.
[08:38] <ijeff> spazz: Logic board failure I believe
[08:38] <Jucato> madhatter_: did you install "build-essential" ??
[08:38] <madhatter_> Jucato: yes.
[08:38] <ijeff> spazz: forgot to apply the extended warrenty... sucks
[08:39] <spazz> I can't wait to get a Macbook Pro ... then can have all three OS's on there... lol running at once. Can have all my games, all my OSX stuff ... and be able to tinker with Linux too (woo...xgl)
[08:39] <ijeff> spazz: waiting for new chips, then getting iMac 20"
[08:39] <Jucato> madhatter_: sorry, I'm not familiar with WiFi so I can't really help...
[08:39] <madhatter_> Jucato: cool thanks anyway
[08:39] <ijeff> spazz: I long to see the day when all OSes can be interchangable and usable all at once, without virtualization =)
[08:39] <D4rkly> how do i install kxdocker ?
[08:40] <ijeff> jucato: hmm how long does ubuntu-desktop usually take to install? I'm considering heading off to bed
[08:40] <spazz> ... that's why they are coming out with those new chips.
[08:40] <Jucato> ijeff: almost half as long as it took Kubuntu to install....
[08:40] <spazz> That have the built in virtualization. So... can run stuff parrallell with no slowdown.
[08:40] <osiris> sudo apt-get install kxdocker ?  D4rkly ?
[08:40] <ijeff> jucato: don't remember how long it too kubuntu to install XD lol
[08:40] <Jucato> ijeff: unfortunately, it will be asking you some questions that you might want to answer
[08:41] <ijeff> jucato: it already asked me the gdm one.. what others are there?
[08:41] <D4rkly> i have it installed but how do i enable it ?
[08:41] <Jucato> ijeff: I really can't tell. downloading speeds and installation may vary
[08:41] <Jucato> ijeff: it's installing already? finished downloading?
[08:41] <ijeff> jucato: quite awhile ago
[08:41] <Jucato> oh...
[08:41] <Jucato> it won't take long...
[08:41] <ijeff> jucato: before you sent me the last link :)
[08:41] <Jucato> ehehe
[08:42] <ijeff> uh oh
[08:42] <D4rkly> how do i run kxdocker ?
[08:42] <ijeff> dpkg: error processing gnome-games-data (--configure):
[08:42] <ijeff>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:42] <ijeff> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-games:
[08:42] <ijeff>  gnome-games depends on gnome-games-data (= 1:2.14.3-0ubuntu1); however:
[08:43] <ijeff>   Package gnome-games-data is not configured yet.
[08:43] <ijeff> dpkg: error processing gnome-games (--configure):
[08:43] <ijeff>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:43] <ijeff> Setting up libgnome-mag2 (0.12.5-0ubuntu2) ...
[08:43] <ijeff> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[08:43] <ijeff> jeff@JeffNix:~$
[08:43] <ijeff> XD sorry for spam
[08:43] <ijeff> is that bad?
[08:43] <Jucato> ijeff: don't paste like that
[08:43] <Jucato> !pastebin
[08:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:43] <ijeff> (yeah I forgot about pastebin ><)
[08:43] <ijeff> Was the install interupted?
[08:44] <Jucato> ijeff: try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:44] <ijeff> interrupted or did it finish without gnome-games?
[08:44] <Jucato> if it wasn't finished, it would continue with that command
[08:44] <ijeff> oh it's installing it again :) thanks
[08:44] <ijeff> the -a command means what?
[08:45] <Jucato> all
[08:45] <ijeff> dpkg?
[08:45] <Jucato> dpkg - package manager for Debian
[08:45] <spazz> FREAKING YES! I figured out how to make Frostwire work now!
[08:45] <Jucato> spazz: nice!
[08:45] <ijeff> spazz: congrats ^ ^
[08:46] <Jucato> ijeff: to get some ideas about commands, go to Konqueror and type in: man:/<command> for example, man:/dpkg
[08:46] <ijeff> ah yes man
[08:46] <ijeff> "man"
[08:47] <Jucato> although, man can be crytpic at times, for us mere mortals
[08:47] <ijeff> maybe not for the developers ;) lol
[08:48] <ijeff> Hopefully I'll learn to.. >_<
[08:48] <ijeff> code
[08:48] <spazz> Wait, frostwire gave me error. think it might still work tho
[08:48] <ijeff> spazz: what error?
[08:48] <spazz> I am putting it in pastbin.
[08:49] <ijeff> well I'm off to bed.. I'm beginning to doze off
[08:49] <ijeff> Thank you very much for your help Jucato
[08:50] <ijeff> hope to see you around again
[08:50] <spazz> see ya ijeff
[08:50] <Jucato> heheh! i'm always here.. at least most of the time
[08:50] <Jucato> bye!
[08:50] <spazz> come back in here soon
[08:50] <ijeff> Goodnight everyone :)
[08:50] <ijeff> Will do
[08:50] <spazz> nite
[08:50] <ijeff> *passes out* = =zzzZZzzz
[08:51] <spazz> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/151625
[08:52] <spazz> There's the error I got in the terminal whenever I launched Frostwire.
[08:52] <spazz> Wonder what that means, can't find any Google results on it.
[08:52] <Jucato> O_o
[08:53] <spazz> I don't know though, but my files downloaded in Frostwire.
[08:53] <spazz> Just ... some warning.
[08:53] <stoic> ugh... 2s lag
[08:54] <stoic> hello all
[08:54] <spazz> says my lag is 115ms
[08:54] <spazz> Hi.
[08:54] <Jucato> all says hi to stoic
[08:54] <stoic> thankyou
[08:55] <stoic> i feel loved
[08:55] <Jucato> hehehe
[08:55] <spazz> lol.
[08:56] <spazz> woo. finally can download songs and movies lol.
[08:56] <spazz> im happy about that.
[08:56] <spazz> now i can live with linux lol. until something breaks.
[08:57] <Jucato> lol
[08:57] <stoic> lol
[08:57] <Jucato> I give you 2 days tops
[08:57] <Jucato> ehehehe
[08:57] <spazz> I give it about 8 hours.
[08:57] <Jucato> I'm too kind...
[08:57] <spazz> ... or whenever I decide to take on XGL/Compiz again. lol.
[08:57] <stoic> i think somthing just broke
[08:57] <spazz> Don't jinx it. You might cause everyone's box to explode.
[08:58] <stoic> yeah... best not
[08:58] <spazz> Found a hack... to trick websites into thinking that your Flash 7 is Flash 9...
[08:59] <spazz> Which ... is supposed to make the audio/video sync problem better or go away.
[08:59] <stoic> that sounds usefull... might you share with us?
[08:59] <spazz> yea just a min
[09:00] <spazz> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/14/flash-9-for-xubuntu/
[09:00] <spazz> Supposed to make some sites that normally wouldn't work, work.
[09:00] <spazz> Like, Myspace, Youtube, ect.
[09:00] <spazz> Although ... Youtube doesn't seem TOO bad. Not perfect, but eh ...
[09:00] <spazz> I changed the default sound server that flash uses through firefox.
[09:00] <spazz> in a config file.
[09:01] <stoic> cool, thankyou
[09:01] <spazz> I want to download some TV series ....... like seaons at once.
[09:02] <spazz> But I'm looking at it ........ ones like 6GB.
[09:02] <spazz> LOL ... I don't think my ISP would like that.
[09:03] <stoic> hmmm... what ISP do you use?
[09:03] <spazz> Comcast, but I mean ... that's 6GB of illegal tv downloading right there lol.
[09:03] <spazz> I think they look for stuff like that.
[09:04] <spazz> Or like, the one time I tried downloading the internet to floppy disks with dial up lol.
[09:04] <stoic> i have heard of people getting their net blackflagged just because of massive ammounts of incomming information, weather it be identified or not
[09:04] <spazz> yea... why i try to stay away from bittorent.
[09:04] <spazz> I'll usually have like ... 700mb files downloading (3 or so at once) about ... 2 times a week.
[09:04] <spazz> So that's probably
[09:04] <spazz> ... I think I can easily pull 10-15gb from the internet a week lol.
[09:05] <spazz> Have to go right behind and delete shit though cuz I'm out of room.
[09:05] <spazz> Just ... more convenient way of watching tv. Hate ..damn commercials, and waiting .. want to skip around if I want to...
[09:06] <stoic> ummmm.... i at one point had 3 terrabytes of downloaded.... well... i wont admit to anything so we will just call it.... tacos
[09:06] <stoic> yes... i downloaded 3 terrabytes of... tacos....
[09:06] <stoic> *cough*
[09:06] <spazz> Yea, taco1.jpg , taco2.jpb, taco3wet-tshirt-contest.mpg
[09:06] <spazz> that type thing
[09:06] <spazz> lol
[09:07] <spazz> Woah. Wonder what kind of file a jpb is, lol wut u been downloading...
[09:07] <stoic> maybe... again i will not admit to it online
[09:07] <plugs> lolz
[09:07] <spazz> lol.
[09:10] <z-ro> download divergence eve 1st season
[09:11] <spazz> wtf.
[09:11] <spazz> Well. Now I want to know what Divergence Eve is..
[09:13] <keittoruokaa> oho
[09:14] <spazz> hi keittoruokaa
[09:14] <keittoruokaa> hello
[09:14] <stoic> hello
[09:14] <spazz> What are you up to?
[09:15] <keittoruokaa> Just wondering here :)
[09:15] <spazz> lol.
[09:15] <keittoruokaa> damn its lot of ppl here ^_*
[09:15] <spazz> I am trying to get everything to work right here.
[09:15] <spazz> Yea, but they just sit in here. At any given time there is probably 5 people talking at once.
[09:15] <spazz> ... find that.. to be the case with majority of IRC rooms.
[09:16] <spazz> more or less a support channel tho, lol.
[09:16] <keittoruokaa> hehe... I guess everyone is just trying to get high uptime while idle
[09:16] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:16] <spazz> yea, lol. or they just leave their apps open
[09:16] <stoic> haha
[09:16] <Jucato> sometimes more than 5...
[09:16] <spazz> and are like, ha ha can windows do that
[09:16] <keittoruokaa> hahaha
[09:17] <Jucato> some of the parked nicks here are KDE or Kubuntu developers, btw...
[09:17] <spazz> ... I want a windows box around though.
[09:17] <Jucato> others are channel ops
[09:17] <spazz> ... so I'm getting a Mac eventually lol. (OSX, Linux, Windows for teh games) all on same comp.
[09:17] <keittoruokaa> lol I'm at school an ppl is using Cygwin, they are training linux commands using Linux emulate program :D
[09:17] <osiris> there are also some of us that park to read the logs, and see what we can learn from others issues
[09:18] <keittoruokaa> But I have my own "server" computer with real Linux :p
[09:18] <spazz> I used Cygin once. Not sure why I even downloaded it, but ... never did anything with it.
[09:18] <stoic> <("<)      <(" )^   ^(")^    ^( ")>    (>")>
[09:18] <spazz> .... wonder if i have logging.
[09:18] <spazz> Yea, I like being in here cuz I can read other people's problems and how they fix them.
[09:18] <keittoruokaa> heh, it doesnt have any good commands like atp-get or aptitude :) so it sux
[09:18] <Jucato> time for my usual advertisements...
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[09:19] <keittoruokaa> O_o
[09:19] <keittoruokaa> I guess I just violated that rule ^^
[09:19] <paul___> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:19] <paul___> oops
[09:19] <spazz> I just joined lol.
[09:19] <spazz> Ok. Now I have a issue to tackle!
[09:20] <spazz> And it was under 8 hours!!
[09:20] <spazz> (cough)
[09:20] <stoic> hm... is there no admin here?
[09:20] <word|sleep> Umm..is there a command that gets simmilar output to the windows 'ipconfig' ?
[09:20] <Jucato> you want me to call them stoic? ehehe
[09:20] <stoic> ifconfig
[09:20] <Jucato> ifconfig
[09:20] <stoic> no thats ok
[09:20] <stoic> i just noticed it
[09:20] <spazz> In Konqueror - when I right click on an image and try to set it as wallpaper... it just turns my dekstop into the default color.
[09:21] <Jucato> hmmm
[09:21] <spazz> Argh, how do I fix that? Cuz I like to browse through all my thumbnails at once to select a new wallpaper. Unless there's another way to do that.
[09:22] <Jucato> spazz: can you choose the same pictures/images using the Configure Desktop dialog box (right-click on desktop)
[09:22] <spazz> Yea, but I can't see all the pictures at once.
[09:23] <stoic> hey spazz, thanks for that hack... it worked on my flashplayer
[09:23] <spazz> It makes me select an invidual file to preview them. I want to see the entire folder at once as thumbnails.
[09:23] <spazz> stoic - lol it did? What site did you test it on?
[09:23] <stoic> myspace
[09:23] <word|sleep> thanks stoic and Jucato. :D
[09:23] <stoic> the most annoying web page in the world when it comes to that stuff
[09:23] <spazz> lmao.
[09:24] <stoic> np word|sleep
[09:24] <spazz> yea. i know about the myspace ....
[09:24] <spazz> friend is nuts about it.
[09:24] <stoic> i haven't visited that site for.... a long time... but i figured this would be a good chance to test how crappy it still is
[09:24] <Jucato> argh.. social networking sites....
[09:25] <spazz> ... eh. I like youtube though.
[09:25] <zero> where to download divergence eve
[09:25] <spazz> what is that about? i never did look it up
[09:25] <spazz> some kinda sci fi series?
[09:25] <Jucato> spazz: I have a trick for you... about the wallpaper thingy
[09:26] <Jucato> spazz: right-click on the desktop > Configure Desktop > then click on the folder icon so you can browse for your images
[09:26] <spazz> yea?
[09:26] <spazz> i did that
[09:26] <Jucato> inside the dialog box that launches, right-click select View > Thumbnails
[09:26] <spazz> it just .. shows file list.
[09:26] <spazz> there's no .......... what?
[09:26] <spazz> I looked there. eh ... cuz that's first thing i thought to do. maybe i overlooked it.
[09:26] <Jucato> .......
[09:26] <spazz> argh hold on lol let me look again
[09:28] <zero> any place for direct anime downloads
[09:28] <Jucato> spazz: you get a dialog box that shows you a list of folder and files right?
[09:28] <spazz> ..... yea
[09:28] <spazz> But ... I have to click on each one to see what it is.
[09:28] <Jucato> right-click on an empty space in that dialog box
[09:29] <Jucato> right-click on an empty space....
[09:29] <spazz> ....... I want to be able to see them all at once, so I can look at which ever one looks coolest and then use it.
[09:29] <spazz> ok
[09:29] <spazz> AUGH! i cant believe it was that simple.
[09:29] <spazz> I was trying to go through all the menus.
[09:29] <Jucato> ....
[09:29] <spazz> ...
[09:29] <spazz> lol i like how u can zoom into the icons
[09:29] <stoic> lets see how easy it is to get banned from the windows channel...
[09:29] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:31] <stoic> and i have been banned
[09:32] <spazz> from where?
[09:32] <spazz> oh LOL
[09:32] <spazz> just read above
[09:32] <stoic> windows room
[09:35] <Tm_T> err
[09:35] <Tm_T> kids
[09:35] <spazz> hi.
[09:36] <Jucato> kids?
[09:36] <stoic> ?
[09:37] <stoic> hm wonder what hes doing...(blazed)
[09:37] <spazz> wtf kde kicker just crashed
[09:37] <spazz> ... argh!
[09:37] <spazz> definately way under 8 hours.
[09:37] <Jucato> lol
[09:37] <Jucato> I was about to say that
[09:37] <spazz> now ... only this window
[09:37] <spazz> and konq is open
[09:38] <spazz> everything else is gone
[09:38] <Jucato> Alt+F2, then "kicker"
[09:38] <Tm_T> 10:20 < stoic> hm... is there no admin here?
[09:38] <Tm_T> what was that?
[09:39] <Tm_T> keittoruokaa: nice nick
[09:39] <stoic> i didn't think there was an admin here
[09:39] <Jucato> stoic: there are. they're just not opped
[09:39] <spazz> crap
[09:39] <spazz> it keeps crashing!!
[09:39] <stoic> gotcha
[09:40] <Tm_T> stoic: yeah, it's part of freenode way, to gain op status only when needed
[09:40] <stoic> cool
[09:40] <spazz> damnit. now my instant messenger crashed too.
[09:41] <Jucato> I hear a reboot coming...
[09:41] <stoic> wtf are you doing to that computer?\
[09:41] <spazz> argh. someone needs to take care of that myth
[09:41] <spazz> about not having to reboot linux ever
[09:41] <spazz> I just ... tried changing the wallpaper
[09:41] <spazz> and kicker crashed.
[09:41] <Jucato> no one ever said about not having to reboot Linux "ever"
[09:41] <spazz> then i got an IM ... and the kopete crashed.
[09:41] <stoic> wow....
[09:41] <Jucato> spazz: try restarting just X? eheheh
[09:42] <spazz> my apps still run in the background?
[09:42] <Jucato> some would
[09:42] <stoic> yeah, theyll run just fine, at least some will
[09:42] <Jucato> actually only those that were started before X, I think
[09:42] <spazz> how do i know which ones will and woont?
[09:43] <osiris> if they depend on X to run, they wont stay running
[09:43] <spazz> well. looks like kopete depends on x.
[09:43] <spazz> ill brb when i log out and in
[09:43] <stoic> irc doesnt
[09:43] <Jucato> almost everything KDE depends on X... almost...
[09:43] <stoic> nvm...
[09:43] <Jucato> stoic: yes it does, if you're using Konversation
[09:43] <stoic> ah
[09:43] <Jucato> or even irssi, if you're running it in Konsole
[09:44] <osiris> linux users need to learn how to deal w/o X
[09:44] <Jucato> irssi ftw!!
[09:44] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[09:44] <Tm_T> I keep my irssi in screen, in separate shellserver :p
[09:45] <stoic> osiris: i agree
[09:45] <pielgrzym> hello, could someone tell me how to remove software I compiled and installed myself (not through the packet manager)?
[09:45] <osiris> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=556.0
[09:45] <pielgrzym> I need to recompile amarok to enable debugging
[09:45] <stoic> i admit i am not 100% unreliable on X, but im working on i
[09:46] <Jucato> pielgrzym: if you still kept the directory where you ./configure, make, and make install, just do "sudo make uninstall"
[09:46] <pielgrzym> Jucato: and if I deleted it? :(
[09:46] <Jucato> pielgrzym: hm... doesn't it appear in Adept or in other package managers?
[09:46] <osiris> screwed unles you know where it wound up
[09:47] <pielgrzym> nope
[09:47] <pielgrzym> wait
[09:47] <pielgrzym> the dir is in the trash
[09:47] <pielgrzym> I'll bring it back
[09:47] <Tm_T> =)
[09:47] <Jucato> osiris: doesn't the KDM login screen have an option for Console Login?
[09:47] <stoic> yes, it does
[09:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: should have
[09:47] <osiris> but kdm still runs in the background
[09:47] <Jucato> it does? hm..
[09:47] <pielgrzym> will it remove all dependant stuff? I just want to remove only amarok to recompile it with debugging enabled :)
[09:47] <osiris> and if X fails kdm wont boot
[09:48] <Jucato> Alt+F1....
[09:48] <Jucato> osiris: you and Hawkwind are business partners in LFD?
[09:48] <osiris> no
[09:49] <osiris> i am just a former mandriva user, that has "made the switch"
[09:49] <Jucato> so was Hawkwind. ehehe
[09:49] <osiris> he IS a good friend of mine, and has taught me alot.  THAT i cant deny
[09:51] <an> hey guys
[09:51] <stoic> hello
[09:51] <Jucato> hi
[09:51] <an> how can i configure my kmplayer? the color of the movie is too bright
[09:52] <an> how can i configure it to more dark?
[09:52] <Jucato> hm.. brb
[09:52] <osiris> idk where the video equalizers are in that program
[09:52] <osiris> i use gmplayer, or vlc
[09:54] <an> anybody use kmplayer?
[09:54] <stoic> sorry no
[10:02] <an> anybody use mplayer?
[10:03] <sir_hc> anyone around here that can help me login to the rescue prompt?
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> sir_hc, what the problem
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> the "recovery mode" or failsafe
[10:05] <sir_hc> i select rescue mode from grub
[10:05] <sir_hc> i have to press ctrl c to skip configuring network interfaces
[10:05] <sir_hc> (coz that's the problem i need fixed)
[10:05] <sir_hc> then i enter the first command (to open up a file in vi) and it does nothing
[10:05] <sir_hc> i hard rebooted
[10:05] <sir_hc> tried another command, nothing
[10:06] <sir_hc> it just sits there flashing, driving me insane
[10:07] <pielgrzym> I've got a question :)
[10:07] <pielgrzym> I uninstalled amarok successfully
[10:07] <sir_hc> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223265&page=1 is the page i'm refering to
[10:07] <pielgrzym> I ran ./configure with debug option enabled
[10:08] <pielgrzym> but when I ran "make" and "make install" it was mostli reporting "it's skipping or not doing anything, because everythin was already made"
[10:08] <pielgrzym> shall I delete something or run some nifty command in the amarok package dir?
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry hold on
[10:20] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym, what are you doing this for?
[10:21] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: amarok (1.4.2) keeps freezing in various moments
[10:21] <pielgrzym> this drives me mad
[10:21] <pielgrzym> ;)
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym, what moments?
[10:22] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: I just made a post on amarok forum about one of the problems: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,12873.0.html
[10:22] <pielgrzym> that's the main problem
[10:23] <pielgrzym> I'd like to see what debugger says :) or at least give the debugger output to some competent people ;)
[10:23] <Mehercle> 'morning
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym, you'll have to forgive me, i'v been drinking and its either IRC or pron
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> how big are the files
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> as in Gbs or something
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> it might just be amarok scanning solwly
[10:25] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: these are normal mp3
[10:25] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: around 5000. The normal collection filtering works like a charm (it freezes only sometimes)
[10:26] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: the collection is about 30GB big
[10:26] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: everything on NTFS read-only partition
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i have a 45gb music collection
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> takes a while
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl\
[10:29] <pielgrzym> Admiral_Chicago: 20-30minutes? :) it's a bug for sure:)
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> pielgrzym, yea
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> might just be your system
[10:57] <rlj> what is the default filename encoding used in kubuntu on an ext3 fs?
[10:58] <rlj> since all of my system is utf-8 (i think), i would like the fs structure to use utf-8 as well
[10:58] <Bazzi> should be utf8, but I don't know for sure
[10:58] <rlj> now, when i transfer files from both windows and linux using ssh to the box, swedish letters get messed up
[10:58] <rlj> so i wonder if they don't transfer the names properly
[10:58] <rlj> or if the problem lies on the kubuntu box
[10:59] <rlj> but it would be nice if you can tell somehow in what encoding the fs is mounted
[10:59] <rlj> as i suspect you can specify what encoding to use on mount (although there is probably a default being used since my fstab isn't exotic=
[10:59] <rlj> )
[11:00] <Bazzi> maybe the ssh client is the broken thing in the chain as well
[11:01] <lupine_85> rlj: it should autodetect?
[11:01] <lupine_85> if not, I think you want the nls-(something)= option
[11:02] <rlj> yeah, my ntfs system is mounted with nls=utf8
[11:02] <rlj> so as long as ext3 understands the same parameter
[11:02] <rlj> i can try to explicitly state include it in fstab
[11:02] <rlj> reboot
[11:02] <rlj> and then check if my filenames look intact
[11:02] <rlj> if they do, it should already be utf-8 on the fs and ssh would be the culprit
[11:02] <lupine_85> was the ntfs OS (XP? 2000?) using nls=utf8? or a cp??? ?
[11:02] <rlj> possibly sshd on my sys and not ssh client but i'd have to check that
[11:03] <lupine_85> tbh, it shouldn't be the ssh client
[11:03] <rlj> i'm not sure actually, but currently it's mounted with nls=utf8
[11:03] <lupine_85> or the sshd
[11:03] <lupine_85> utf-8 is only equivalent to ASCII
[11:03] <lupine_85> non-ascii-standard characters won't transcode very will
[11:03] <lupine_85> well*
[11:03] <rlj> well, but when characters like , , , are transmitted in not utf-8 they end up wrong
[11:04] <rlj> only ascii filenames appear correct over ssh
[11:04] <JohnFlux> you can just set the character set to utf8
[11:04] <JohnFlux> what's the problem?
[11:04] <oslo> join ubuntu-fr
[11:05] <oslo> oups sorry
[11:05] <rlj> i just want to make sure swedish characters like ,  and , are encoded as utf-8 in the fs (possibly using 2+ bytes each then) and that ssh/sshd does it correctly as well
[11:05] <rlj> JohnFlux: i just want to verify that the encoding used on my ext3 fs is really utf-8. (since i guess ext3 does not force a specific encoding)
[11:06] <rlj> and if it's not, i want to make it mount as utf-8 and manually go through my files and fix the names to look good again
[11:06] <rlj> the majority of my files are just in ascii anyway, so it's only a part of them that require change
[11:28] <j2daosh> what package do i need to play .wmv?
[11:28] <j2daosh> can linux even play .wmv?
[11:29] <lupine_85> it can
[11:29] <lupine_85> you need to install w32codecs (PLF repo)
[11:29] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[11:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <lupine_85> I think wmv9 isn't supported, and encypted ones aren't (obviously)
[11:30] <j2daosh> ok
[11:30] <j2daosh> thank you
[11:30] <Healot> for DRMed media, Windows is till the best, and the only way perhaps?
[11:31] <lupine_85> hence, windows is not The Way(tm)
[11:31] <lupine_85> and neither is DRM
[11:36] <spazz> hmm. I hosed my system.
[11:36] <spazz> But uh I found out what it was now... lol.
[11:37] <spazz> Jucato here?
[11:39] <Healot> http://tools.wikimedia.de/~leon/stats/wikicharts/index.php?ns=articles&limit=100&month=08%2F2006&wiki=enwiki >> look at entry #6
[11:47] <Jucato> spazz: just got back. what happened?
[11:48] <cox377> Hey all, in recent updates has their been any probs with wireless USB sticks??? basically my mates laptop running kubuntu keep giving an error every time i try and connect to his wifi network. I think the last time it worked properly was before all the updates! sorry new to this so if anything is unclear ask
[11:55] <lupine_85> cox377: the only thing that would affect it really is a kernel upgrade
[11:55] <lupine_85> e.g. the rt2570 wifi driver was in one of the kernels, but not later ones
[11:56] <cox377> hello :lupine_85
[11:56] <cox377> Yeh, it's a netgear usb adapter and i can to use the ndiswrapper to get it to work
[11:57] <lupine_85> if you're using ndiswrapper, it could b
[11:57] <lupine_85> *e that you've not got the kernel module any more
[11:57] <cox377> so i need to look at downgrading the kernal?
[11:57] <lupine_85> or upgrading the kernel module ;)
[11:57] <lupine_85> !ndiswrapper
[11:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:58] <cox377> Ok, cheers i shall give it a go
[11:58] <cox377> thing is, the lappy still sees  the wifi router but just wont connect
[11:59] <cox377> would that still be a symptom of the module?
[12:01] <lupine_85> more likely that the (windows) drivers in question aren't working properly under your current revision of ndiswrapper
[12:01] <lupine_85> so a downgrade to whatever you had previously would be your best bed
[12:01] <lupine_85> bet* :D
[12:13] <cox377> lupine_85: do u know what the command would be to downgrade the module?
[12:13] <lupine_85> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils=(version)
[12:14] <lupine_85> no idea how you'd find out what version you were using before, though :(
[12:14] <lupine_85> (you can do the same with your kernel)
[12:14] <cox377> Ummmm
[12:14] <cox377> lol
[12:14] <cox377> actually, isn't their a downgrade option under apt-get
[12:15] <lupine_85> maybe in adept
[12:15] <cox377> alright, well i'm gonna shoot round my mates and jump back on IRC there
[12:20] <fek> moin
[12:26] <sinkeri> uuuh
[12:27] <sinkeri> i dont know how to use this thing
[12:27] <vge> somebody can help me with wireless, im kinda nood with it?
[12:29] <sinkeri>  what
 whats my accesspoint or essedid if it's "open network" and in windows i dont need to set those, i dont get it?
[12:37] <lupine_85> _vge: by "open network" do you mean "no security"? Or "ad-hoc" mode?
[12:38] <_vge> lupine_85: can i say both?
[12:38] <GenuineBoy> eexexit
[12:40] <_vge> it shows in kde network manager as eth1 and WLM sees it as "Connection speed" max, but when i try to scan for network, no luck
[12:40] <lupine_85> sure. In that case, you need to change your wlan interface to "ad-hoc" mode (default is Managed)
[12:40] <lupine_85> in terminal, that's be "sudo iwconfig <interface> mode Ad-Hoc"
[12:42] <_vge> still, it gives "no networks found", but i know there is one
[12:43] <knob> lupine_85: u about?
[12:44] <lupine_85> for another 10 minutes or so
[12:45] <knob> hey
[12:45] <knob> it's cox377
[12:45] <_vge> can somebody help me to configure BCM4306 wireless? :/
[12:45] <knob> i was speaking to u 15 minutes or so again
[12:45] <knob> #about the wireless
[12:45] <knob> i'm not to sure about how to downgrade the module
[12:47] <lupine_85> me neither
[12:47] <lupine_85> you need to know which version you had previosuly before you can do anything meaningful
[12:49] <knob> lol
[12:49] <knob> any idea how i would go about doing that
[12:53] <knob> !ndiswrapper
[12:53] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:04] <cogo_sakrth> halo
[01:08] <josh__> hows it going all? is there a way to make ' show up in man pages?
[01:09] <josh__> right now special characters like ' show up as funked up characters
[01:11] <_vge> how do i remove BCM4306 drivers from laptop?
[01:23] <lupine_85> "blacklist bcm43xx" in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file
[01:23] <Dannilion> ohhh, thank you- I knew I'd forgotten to do something
[01:31] <knob> is anyone here hot on wireless?
[01:32] <Dannilion> Depends on the problem, knob
[01:34] <knob> basically
[01:34] <knob> i i've got a wireless usb dongle that i managed to get working fine using ndiswrapper
[01:35] <knob> then, it stopped connecting to my network
[01:35] <knob> it sees the network but just wont connect
[01:35] <knob> i've got a feeling it maybe something to do with the updates as i think it stopped working after the updates
[01:35] <knob> but i dont know how to role back the updates to see if thats the problem
[01:36] <Dannilion> ahh... can't help you there
[01:36] <knob> lol
[01:36] <Dannilion> though I think I saw something on the ubuntuforums about it a few minutes ago
[01:36] <knob> do u have a link?
[01:37] <Dannilion> looking now :)
[01:38] <knob> cheers
[01:38] <erik__> when I try to mount my memory card over usb, I get an error saying "cannot mount superblock"
[01:38] <erik__> ..what's wrong?
[01:38] <franck> how do you mount your usb key?
[01:39] <knob> does anyone know of a command that would tell me the actual error to why the wireless wont connect because it';s not giving any feedback
[01:39] <knob> tried connecting under both wep and open and both dont work
[01:39] <Dannilion> knob, I think this one was it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241453&highlight=modprobe+bcm43xx
[01:40] <D4rkly> has anyone managed to get World Of Warcraft running in Cedega ?
[01:40] <Dannilion> not sure though, as I searched for modprobe bcm43xx instead :P
[01:41] <knob> cheers
[01:41] <Dannilion> I'm about to go back on ndiswrapper, as it worked on breezy and automatically loaded on startup
[01:41] <Dannilion> I also didn't need to manually configure the rate to 54M
[01:42] <erik__> franck: sorry my computer crashed... the mem card is in my mobile, which is connected over usb... and I've chosen "data store" mode on the mobile which makes it appear as an usb mass-storage device
[01:42] <javi_> hello
[01:42] <erik__> "mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock"
[01:43] <narvik86> mount /dev/sda
[01:43] <erik__> ..I've just reformatted it also, using "sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1". It formatted successfully
[01:43] <keittoruokaa> Yo
[01:43] <franck> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1
[01:43] <franck> try this
[01:44] <erik__> erik@erik-laptop:~$ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[01:44] <erik__> mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock
[01:44] <javi_> If anybody new someting about intel HDA audio drivers....
[01:44] <javi_> *knew
[01:44] <hkallinikos> hello al
[01:44] <javi_> hi hkallinikos
[01:45] <hkallinikos> where can i download some 3d games for linux,i want to try to install them and test the graphics here
[01:45] <franck> http://www.happypenguin.org/
[01:45] <narvik86> www.nexuiz.com
[01:45] <narvik86> www.warsow.net
[01:46] <erik__> hkallinikos: "sudo apt-get install neverball"
[01:46] <erik__> hkallinikos: www.glest.org
[01:47] <erik__> franck: any ideas?
[01:47] <hkallinikos> thanks guys,another question,do any of the new released games come for linux too?
[01:47] <hkallinikos> i mean not GNU games
[01:47] <erik__> hkallinikos: most bigger titles work through cedega
[01:47] <erik__> www.transgaming.com
[01:47] <franck> try a badblock erik into your usb key
[01:47] <erik__> franck: huh?
[01:47] <hkallinikos> cedega,is it something like win emu?
[01:48] <erik__> hkallinikos: not really an emu.. it makes linux understand windows software though
[01:48] <erik__> hkallinikos: check out the transgaming site
[01:49] <hkallinikos> i see,is it better than WINE?
[01:49] <erik__> it's based on wine
[01:49] <franck> cedega is wine with support of directX 9
[01:49] <hkallinikos> aha ok thanks
[01:49] <hkallinikos> i am looking on the site now,check back later if i have any more questions
[01:50] <erik__> it's a very simplified wine with a "point-n-click" interface, and transgaming implements specific hacks to make all the latest big titles run all the time
[01:50] <erik__> franck: sorry I didn't understand the badblock thing
[01:50] <erik__> erik@erik-laptop:~$ sudo badblocks /dev/sda1 ?
[01:51] <hkallinikos> i guess it doesnt understand allready installed games in my NTFS partitions?
[01:51] <franck> badblocks -w /dev/sda1
[01:51] <erik__> hkallinikos: you need to install the games through cedega
[01:52] <oslo> how can i shut down my webcam, its light is always on
[01:52] <hkallinikos> oh ok
[01:52] <D4rkly> i cant get cedega to work with world of warcraft ???
[01:52] <hkallinikos> i dont want o be a spammer here,is any other channel more games-kubuntu based?
[01:53] <franck> yes you can D4rkly, it works perfectly
[01:53] <D4rkly> i managed to install WOW in cegdega but im unable to get it to run ???
[01:54] <franck> WoW works very well only with latest wine
[01:54] <erik__> D4rkly: I think you can find help in the cedega forums
[01:55] <D4rkly> yeah i had it working with wine but i cant get it to work with cedega for some reason
[01:55] <hkallinikos> does wow it works perfectly right after the patch is installed or do you need to wait some time until it is supported?
[01:55] <hkallinikos> hmmm cedega is not free?
[01:56] <D4rkly> WOW works with wine no probs
[01:56] <D4rkly> just install the build from the winehq repo
[01:56] <franck> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine
[01:57] <D4rkly> i also installed BF2 under cedega which i got running until i had to patch it with the latest patch now it wont start
[02:00] <erik__> franck: how long will the badblocks check take? (btw I can mount it in mac and windows so I dont think its broken)
[02:02] <phreakys> hello
[02:03] <phreakys> please help. im not able to fix my ati-drivers ;(
[02:03] <phreakys> im trying to install the newest xorg-drivers, but its all mesa
[02:03] <oslo> do u have an adress for installing wine CVS ??
[02:03] <stefg> Not even ATI is able to do that...
[02:04] <phreakys> ive got the deb files build from the run script, build the kernel module(followed the whole ubuntu guide), changed xorg.conf and still no love :(
[02:07] <phreakys> really depressing to own an ati-card
[02:08] <phreakys> allready bought nvidia for another computer, but this one is in my laptop :/ (x700)
[02:08] <_dragonkh> mine
[02:08] <_dragonkh> I got a 7950 gx2
[02:08] <_dragonkh> its ok
[02:08] <_dragonkh> not to bad
[02:08] <phreakys> nvidia?
[02:09] <_dragonkh> yeah
[02:09] <phreakys> it seems much easier with drivers on linux and stuff
[02:09] <_dragonkh> nvidia 7950 the dual one with 1GB
[02:09] <phreakys> wow nice
[02:09] <_dragonkh> had some trouble with dual head though
[02:10] <_dragonkh> but now its working ok
[02:10] <erik__> logrus:
[02:10] <erik__> [17179863.128000]  FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 512)
[02:10] <erik__> [17181418.968000]  FAT: invalid media value (0xaa)
[02:10] <erik__> [17181418.968000]  VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1.
[02:10] <_dragonkh> it gets really really hot  - which is a downside
[02:10] <phreakys> 2 extra powersources on your cards?
[02:11] <_dragonkh> phreakys: got a 4 pin power slot
[02:11] <phreakys> ah ok
[02:11] <_dragonkh> I got one of those 1100 watt psus
[02:12] <phreakys> im stuck with this x700 thing :/ its nice with windows, but on linux...
[02:12] <knob_> does anyone know how to roleback drivers?
[02:12] <_dragonkh> its supposed to have a silent fan - but its a bit noisy actually
[02:12] <phreakys> all i need is a simples setup
[02:12] <phreakys> as long its fast :-0
[02:12] <phreakys> :)
[02:12] <_dragonkh> I got a amd64 the 4600+
[02:13] <_dragonkh> lots of linux stuff doesnt work on 64 bit though
[02:13] <D4rkly_> is it worth downloading and installing the nvidia linux drivers off the nvidia site or are the nvidia-glx drivers from the repo ok. I have a pci-e 6800 and am not able to increase the resolution past 1024x768
[02:13] <_dragonkh> like flash and skype and wine etc
[02:13] <erik__> logrus: sorry for bugging you, but what can I do to fix the problem?
[02:13] <_dragonkh> I think the repo has the latest
[02:14] <_dragonkh> at least it did when I last looked
[02:14] <phreakys> hm, thats the downside of living on the bleedy edge
[02:14] <_dragonkh> I was thinking  of going back to the 32 bit
[02:14] <phreakys> you have xgl/compiz?
[02:14] <_dragonkh> I havent noticed much speed improvement on 64
[02:15] <_dragonkh> I have the compiz on dual head yeah
[02:15] <phreakys> sweet
[02:15] <phreakys> runs fast?
[02:15] <_dragonkh> its cool for a few days - but I dont use it much now
[02:15] <phreakys> yea, it lacks multiple desktops
[02:15] <_dragonkh> it runs fast
[02:15] <phreakys> but i like the feature
[02:16] <_dragonkh> in a few years it will be cool
[02:16] <phreakys> yea, there is every week or so an update, so ill stick with it
[02:16] <_dragonkh> hopefully 64 bit support will improve soon too
[02:17] <Philip5> D4rkly: the new drivers on the nvidia site is just a small update with xorg 7.1 support
[02:17] <phreakys> yea
[02:17] <_dragonkh> prolly in a year or so
[02:17] <Philip5> and some other small things
[02:18] <knob_> i need to role back all the last updates to see if i can get my wireless card working
[02:18] <knob_> can anyone help?
[02:21] <eljefedelito> knob whats up?
[02:21] <vge> somebody can run me trought wifi install as i just cant get it to scan networks, and im confused that em i using the fwcut drivers or ndswrapper or what
[02:22] <knob_> i've got problems with my wireless usb dongle
[02:22] <knob_> it's started since an update
[02:22] <eljefedelito> roll bavk your update, huh...  unless you can remember what that update was, I don't know what to say
[02:22] <eljefedelito> what brand is the usb wireless think?
[02:22] <knob_> it took me about 2 days to get the thing working and like an idiot i didnt note down the process other wise i would just reinstall
[02:22] <knob_> netgea
[02:22] <knob_> r
[02:22] <knob_> netgear
[02:22] <D4rkly_> im running i386 version on a amdx2 4400+ running the k7 kernel so i have dual core support
[02:23] <eljefedelito> lol yeah the fun of wifi in the linux world...
[02:23] <atidem> hello
[02:23] <eljefedelito> well my guess is that some configuration file was over written, and so even a roll back of packages might not restore that config file.
[02:23] <knob_> u know what, i got it working and once it was working it worked great, it was just working out how to get it done, unforutnatly i got it done, meant to note down the instructions and forgot
[02:24] <knob_> the wireless card sees the network fine
[02:24] <knob_> it just wont connect
[02:24] <eljefedelito> were you using "ndiswrapper" to run the drivers?
[02:24] <knob_> yeh i was
[02:24] <eljefedelito> k
[02:24] <eljefedelito> are you in K or Ubuntu?
[02:24] <knob_> tell me, is it possible to find a file with all the cmd commands because i maybe to look back @ my steps
[02:24] <knob_> kubuntu
[02:25] <eljefedelito> sorta.  open a konsole and use the [up]  key
[02:25] <eljefedelito> this will list the steps that you've taken, in reverse order
[02:25] <knob_> yeh, but i'm talking about if i do a reinstall
[02:25] <eljefedelito> but hitting [enter]  will run one and might start to get confusing
[02:26] <eljefedelito> reinstall the whole OS?  no need....
[02:26] <eljefedelito> well, i don't think its needed
[02:26] <knob_> yeh that's it, everytime u hit enter it just moves down the pile
[02:27] <knob_> i know, got the OS just how i like it
[02:27] <eljefedelito> usually the ndiswrapper command has three or four steps...
[02:27] <knob_> do u know the ndiswrapper command off the top of your head?
[02:27] <eljefedelito> run 'sudo ndiswrapper -l' at the command prompt
[02:27] <eljefedelito> it'll list what is loaded
[02:28] <knob_> shall i paste what it';s loaded?
[02:28] <knob_> 1       invalid driver!
[02:28] <knob_> 2       invalid driver!
[02:28] <knob_> athfmwdl                driver present
[02:28] <knob_> netgw11t        invalid driver!
[02:28] <knob_> netwg11t                driver present, hardware present
[02:29] <eljefedelito> lol a lot there!  use "sudo ndiswrapper --help" to get some info
[02:29] <eljefedelito> and then (using that info) figure out how to remove those drives that aren't working
[02:30] <eljefedelito> maybe removing them isn't necessary
[02:30] <eljefedelito> i dunno,
[02:30] <eljefedelito> OK knob_, try this: run 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[02:31] <knob_> root@knob-laptop:~# ndiswrapper -l
[02:31] <knob_> Installed ndis drivers:
[02:31] <knob_> athfmwdl                driver present
[02:31] <knob_> netwg11t                driver present, hardware present
[02:31] <eljefedelito> nice
[02:31] <eljefedelito> run 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[02:31] <knob_> i ran modprobe ndiswrapper but nothing happened
[02:31] <knob_> and i'm logged in under sudo
[02:32] <eljefedelito> k
[02:32] <eljefedelito> then try 'ifconfig wlan0'
[02:32] <eljefedelito> anything?
[02:32] <eljefedelito> or just 'ifconfig' which should list the InterFaces for networking
[02:33] <knob_> just put the wland down then back up again
[02:33] <knob_> 2 secs
[02:33] <eljefedelito> ok cool that was my next step ;)
[02:33] <eljefedelito> but we gotta be sure that wlan0 is the right one, or bringing it up is useless ;)
[02:34] <knob_> root@knob-laptop:~# ifconfig wlan0
[02:34] <knob_> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0F:B5:9E:9C:6F
[02:34] <knob_>           inet6 addr: fe80::20f:b5ff:fe9e:9c6f/64 Scope:Link
[02:34] <knob_>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:34] <knob_>           RX packets:453 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[02:34] <knob_>           TX packets:2537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[02:34] <knob_>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[02:34] <knob_>           RX bytes:107684 (105.1 KiB)  TX bytes:259126 (253.0 KiB)
[02:34] <eljefedelito> 'ping www.google.com'
[02:35] <knob_> ok i shall have to put the eth0 down first
[02:35] <eljefedelito> no do this
[02:35] <eljefedelito> ping www.google.com -I wlan0
[02:35] <eljefedelito> (-I is a CAPITOL 'i' )
[02:36] <knob_> root@knob-laptop:~# ping www.google.com -I wlan0
[02:36] <knob_> PING www.l.google.com (66.249.85.104) from 192.168.0.4 wlan0: 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:36] <knob_> 64 bytes from 66.249.85.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=29.1 ms
[02:36] <knob_> 64 bytes from 66.249.85.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=27.7 ms
[02:36] <knob_> 64 bytes from 66.249.85.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=29.1 ms
[02:36] <knob_> 64 bytes from 66.249.85.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=28.0 ms
[02:36] <knob_> 64 bytes from 66.249.85.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=243 time=29.5 ms
[02:36] <eljefedelito> :) working eh?
[02:36] <knob_> let me unplug the network cable and see what happens
[02:36] <eljefedelito> sure
[02:37] <knob_> hello?
[02:38] <eljefedelito> ok knob_ lets make a list of what we did.  save this either in a notebook-of-solutions, or in an accessable place like your EMAIL
[02:38] <eljefedelito> hello knob_ you're via wireless?
[02:38] <knob_> lol
[02:38] <knob_> damn it works
[02:38] <knob_> haha
[02:38] <knob_> qaulity
[02:38] <eljefedelito> no this is good!
[02:38] <eljefedelito> really, lets list our steps.
[02:38] <knob_> lol
[02:38] <knob_> will do
[02:38] <eljefedelito> next time, we can know!
[02:38] <eljefedelito> ndiswrapper -i xxxx
[02:38] <eljefedelito> to install
[02:39] <eljefedelito> then ndiswrapper -l to list
[02:39] <eljefedelito> then modprobe ndiswrapper to load
[02:39] <eljefedelito> then ifconfig wlan0
[02:39] <eljefedelito> and maybe iwconfig is needed for some encryption stuff, i dunno :)
[02:40] <eljefedelito> sweet homes, happy to help someone before a day at the Windows IT department :)
[02:42] <eljefedelito> yeah knob_ that was a bit easier than a reinstall, huh?  i've done too many reinstalls when something fails.  i feel i need to learn a bit more so prevent that from happening!  although, since moving to Kubuntu, its been a lot less common...
[02:42] <digits> how do i insert an escape character in kate?
[02:42] <eljefedelito> escape char how?
[02:42] <eljefedelito> loke, \
[02:43] <eljefedelito> (like, '\')
[02:43] <digits> like the litterate escape character, trying to do some baschscripting and want to put some nice colors in it ;)
[02:43] <digits> not the backslash
[02:44] <eljefedelito> litterate escape char... beyond me sir, i don't know what that is :)
[02:44] <eljefedelito> isn't bash colourful enough? b&w is all we need!  lol
[02:46] <digits> eljefedelito: i want to bold the important stuff
[02:46] <digits> there's nimwit's in the linux community too ;P
[02:48] <eljefedelito> digits i don't know...
[02:49] <eljefedelito> digits would this help? http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showthread.php?t=32275
[02:49] <eljefedelito> or is it for OKX users only, I don't know
[02:49] <eljefedelito> OSX
[02:50] <eljefedelito> oh it uses XOSD (X on screen display) not OSXD (OS X daemon).  Either way, it may not be what you want, digits.
[02:51] <eljefedelito> digits i have to go.  good luck sir (ma'am).
[02:52] <vge> why my " scan for networks fails allways" eaven thou i can see my wifi card?
[02:53] <vge> anybody?
[02:54] <knob_> eljefedelito: right appears i'm still online, just noted down the instructions
[02:54] <knob_> shall restart to see if she comes back to life, i wont have to run those commands every time will i?
[03:08] <eljefedelito> knob_ I hope that you don't, but I am not sure.  I've had "luck" both ways with it, so sometimes I have had to run 'modprobe ndiswrapper' (or put it in a startup script)
[03:10] <digits> eljefedelito: i figured it out... i just used copy and paste google :)
[03:11] <D4rkly> is anyone able to use a resolution greater than 1024x768 cause i cant get anything higher to work ?
[03:12] <digits> D4rkly: i have 1600x1200, but i can't get fglrx (ati's accelerated driver to work)
[03:12] <whatever> how to prevent processes like khelper from starting?
[03:12] <whatever> there isn't aservice in bum btw
[03:14] <Agios> I run 1600x1200 and get decent glx from my nvidia card: 34023 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6804.469 FPS
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how I can get thunderbird to open a browser when I click a link?
[03:16] <knob> eljefedelito: u about mate?
[03:17] <Agios> LeeJunFan: set Thunderbird as your default browser app in kcontrol?
[03:17] <Jucato> err.... set Thunderbird as default.... huh?
[03:18] <Agios> isn't it a browser?
[03:18] <Jucato> Thunderbird is an e-mail client...
[03:18] <Agios> oh, sorry. completely blew that one.
[03:19] <Jucato> hehe. nobody's perfect
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> Agios: I got the point.
[03:20] <Jazon> what kernel is dapper using?
[03:20] <zeronenorez> who use opera Web Browser?
[03:20] <Jucato> Jazon: 2.6.15-26
[03:20] <LeeJunFan> Agios: although it still won't open links with firefox set as the def browser.
[03:20] <zeronenorez> no bug
[03:20] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: I think there are a few more steps to make Thunderbird open o
[03:21] <Jucato> open links in firefox instead of Konqueror
[03:21] <zeronenorez> there is typing bug
[03:21] <Jazon> Jucato: :D  then my usb wifi device is gonna work :D:D  I just formatted my 250gig hdd.... :s   i hate doing that
[03:21] <Jucato> Jazon: ehehe! good luck then! 
[03:21] <zeronenorez> sometimes i couldn't typing in address
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I'd be happy if it opened any browser.
[03:21] <Jazon> hey!  where'd you get the smilie thingy?!?
[03:22] <Jucato> Jazon: Konversation > Insert Menu > Special Character...
[03:22] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: what do you mean? it won't open any browser when you click on a link?
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: nope.
[03:23] <Jucato> that's weird...
[03:23] <Jazon> cool
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I just had to switch from kmail because kmail was showing e-mails as being empty all the time.
[03:23] <zeronenorez> copy
[03:23] <Jucato> whoa... really weird... I've had no problem like that with KMail...
[03:23] <zeronenorez> Jucato, no i can't use my keyboard when i open opera
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: I think it's an imap only thing.
[03:24] <zeronenorez> Jucato, sometimes
[03:24] <Jucato> zeronenorez: er... I don't use Opera...
[03:24] <Jucato> zeronenorez: err... I was talking to LeeJunFan.... @_@
[03:25] <StR> Hi all
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> owell, gotta get to work. I'll mess with it later.
[03:25] <StR> I need help getting anti-alias in a java program.... eclipse
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> thanks anyway.
[03:25] <StR> I have antialias fonts in KDE, but not in eclipse :(+
[03:25] <zeronenorez> :<
[03:30] <Jazon> omg
[03:30] <Jazon> i lost all my photos
[03:31] <Jucato> tell me you backed up... you did, didn't you?
[03:31] <Jazon> i could have sworn i copied them to my external....  cant find them there now
[03:32] <Jucato> nooo....
[03:33] <Jazon> my wife is going to shoot me
[03:33] <Jazon> i was being so careful
[03:34] <Jazon> they were the only things that i cared about
[03:34] <Jazon> 30 gigs of photos
[03:34] <StR> LOL
[03:34] <Jazon> i am a goner
[03:34] <Jucato> check again... just check again... it might be there...
[03:34] <Jucato> hiding... lurking...
[03:34] <Jazon> its not there :'(
[03:35] <Jazon> omg what am i gonna do ????? :(
[03:39] <fritsch> jprenaud: still there
[03:39] <D4rkly> can someone plz help me change my resolution to something higher than 1024x768. im running the nvidia-glx drivers ?
[03:39] <fritsch> jprenaud: read something about the suspend2 "not able to unload module" ...
[03:39] <jprenaud> fritsch: righty oh
[03:39] <fritsch> jprenaud: perhaps: hibernate --force does just work ...
[03:39] <fritsch> jprenaud: this will continue withouth unloading the module
[03:40] <fritsch> D4rkly: yes
[03:40] <jprenaud> fritsch: no time to test right no but will definitely try sometimes
[03:40] <fritsch> D4rkly: just do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:40] <fritsch> D4rkly: it will aks you for the resolution
[03:40] <jprenaud> fritsch: i think on suse, powersaved can suspend via suspend2
[03:40] <fritsch> jprenaud: yes
[03:40] <fritsch> jprenaud: mmmh
[03:40] <fritsch> jprenaud: but your module unload problem was not "because of powersave"
[03:41] <jprenaud> fritsch: true
[03:41] <fritsch> D4rkly: without the "high" sorry
[03:42] <pradeepto> !mp3
[03:42] <pradeepto> !mp3
[03:42] <fritsch> !restrictedformats > pradeepto
[03:43] <pradeepto> thanks
[03:43] <pradeepto> !restrictedformats
[03:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:47] <pradeepto> fritsch: thanks for the info
[03:47] <fritsch> pradeepto: no problem
[03:53] <larson9999> what a great day!
[03:54] <Timmmm> Just curious, Americans know what 'wanking' means right?
[03:58] <larson9999> Timmmm: that what a brit does in his usual morning ritual?
[03:58] <Jucato> O_o
[04:01] <Timmmm> larson9999: Well I don't, but then I don't know the sexual habbits of everyone here!
[04:02] <RogueX> Hello
[04:03] <RogueX> Anyone help me with and Adept problem?
[04:03] <Jucato> RogueX: we can try. what's the problem?
[04:06] <RogueX> Jucato: Adept will not run because it says another adept program is running but I cant see one
[04:06] <Jucato> RogueX: did Adept hang/stall/crash before this happened?
[04:07] <steven_> hai
[04:07] <Jucato> RogueX: if yes, try typing this command in Konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:08] <steven_> does anybody know how to configurate a webcam in kubuntu?
[04:09] <RogueX> Jucato: yes it did
[04:09] <Jucato> RogueX: try typing this command in Konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:10] <RogueX> Jucato: I did that..
[04:10] <maltaethiron> guys, whats wrong with the server?
[04:11] <Jucato> maltaethiron: which server?
[04:11] <RogueX> Jucato: it set up a bunch of KDE stuff should I restart KDE now?
[04:11] <Jucato> RogueX: if it's done already. just log out, then log back in
[04:12] <RogueX> Jucato: ok will do that now.. thank youu
[04:12] <maltaethiron> jucato: freenode? idk...earlier it said i was kicked from a server i wasnt even in (#ubuntu-unregged), then i started talking in here and there was no activity for hours
[04:13] <Jucato> maltaethiron: that was because the channel was +R/+r because of some flooding incidents
[04:13] <maltaethiron> jucato: what does that mean?
[04:13] <maltaethiron> +R/+r
[04:14] <Jucato> I'm not sure which is which, but +R I think means that only people with registered nicks would be able to talk, while +r means only people with registered nicks can enter the channel...
[04:14] <maltaethiron> my nick is regestered though
[04:14] <Jucato> in +r, I think those with unregistered nicks were redirected to that "unregged" channel
[04:14] <RogueX> Jucato: that got it.
[04:15] <Jucato> maltaethiron: anyway, it wasn't a server problem. maybe your nick didn't get identified automatically that time?
[04:15] <Jucato> RogueX: glad to hear that
[04:15] <RogueX> Anyone know what app I can use to make and ISO of a disk??
[04:15] <maltaethiron> hmm, odd
[04:15] <RogueX> Jucato: thanks
[04:15] <RogueX> Jucato: what did that command do?
[04:16] <Jucato> RogueX: basically it continued installing where it left off
[04:17] <steven_> any one know how i get mij webcam working?
[04:17] <RogueX> Jucato: cool..
[04:17] <RogueX> Anyone know what app I can use to make and ISO of a disk??
[04:26] <Jucato> whoa.. was that a net split?
[04:34] <jprenaud> RogueX: k3b
[04:34] <robin> *Where do I install .ttf fonts*
[04:39] <christianp> hi all
[04:39] <Jucato> hi
[04:39] <christianp> i want to install kubuntu on my old laptop
[04:40] <christianp> i run the live but i notice my ps2 mouse doesn't work
[04:40] <christianp> logitech
[04:40] <christianp> what's the matter?
[04:41] <christianp> why kubuntu doesn't recognize my ps2 laptop port?
[04:41] <christianp> what can i do to make it working?
[04:46] <yonkeltron> anyone using electricsheep?
[04:46] <alucardni> I can make amarok to play mp3 files, what can I do?
[04:47] <Jucato> alucardni: you need to install "libxine-extracodecs"
[04:47] <Jucato> it's in the multiverse repository
[04:47] <Jucato> alucardni: Need to enable "universe" and/or "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:47] <Hobbsee> alucardni: double click on an mp3 and try to play it, and follow the prompts
[04:47] <Hobbsee> alucardni: if you're using amarok 1.4.2 that is
[04:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ehehehe
[04:47] <alucardni> thanks jucato
[04:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: when will the official announcement for Amarok 1.4.2 be posted in Kubuntu.org?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good point.
[04:49] <yonkeltron> i'm having trouble with electricsheep....could someone give me a pointer?
[04:49] <Jucato> hm... Katapult-Amarok bug... not sure which one is causing teh bug..
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not yet.  soon
[04:50] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: define "trouble"
[04:51] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: i have electricsheep and kscreensavers-xsavers installed but the screensaver will niether start nor function in any semblance of the proper way
[04:51] <Hobbsee> !find xscreensaver-gl
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-gl-extra
[04:51] <zeronenorez> all,can i install KDE support to my ubuntu in an easy way?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: if you sudo apt-get install xscreensaver-gl, does that fix the problem?
[04:51] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: have that too
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: sure?
[04:52] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: yes...sure
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: do any of the other screensavers work?
[04:53] <chuckyp> Is there a way to install kubuntu on ubuntu without messing up the gnome menus
[04:54] <chuckyp> hello test?
[04:55] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: ummm....yes
[04:55] <zeronenorez> how?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> chuckyp: yes, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:55] <Hobbsee> zeronenorez:  yes, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:55] <zeronenorez> Hobbsee,in gnome?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> zeronenorez: in a terminal, in gnome.  it doesnt matter.
[04:56] <chuckyp> Hobbsee, yes but it will mess up all the gnome menus adding the kde apps there.  Thats what i'm trying to avoid.
[04:56] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how I can get a trashbin icon on the desktop?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> chuckyp: havent found a way around that
[04:56] <Jucato> Kr4t05: right-click on the desktop. Create New > Link to Location (URL)
[04:56] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: actually....no
[04:56] <Jucato> Kr4t05: then in the Enter link to lcation (URL), enter "trash
[04:57] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: none of them start automatically
[04:57] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Just trash
[04:57] <Kr4t05> ?
[04:57] <Jucato> err.. sorry
[04:57] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: ah right.  do any of htem show up in the preview window?
[04:57] <Jucato> Kr4t05: trash: /
[04:57] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: yes. bunch of them.
[04:57] <Jucato> (no space between the : and the /
[04:57] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: and many of them work when you test
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: right, yep
[04:58] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: in fact, when i test electricsheep...it goes black (implies downloading)
[04:58] <Jucato> trash:/
[04:58] <Kr4t05> Jucato: thanks! :)
[04:58] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: it's trying to download the first sheep i assume....
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: *shrugs* - i dont know electricsheep specifically
[04:59] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Sadly enough, I'm trying to make my computer more resembelant of Windows Vista, to appease some of the other family members who use my computer. :/
[04:59] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: ah.
[04:59] <Jucato> Kr4t05: you could also use these other kio slaves: home:/ for Home, system:/ or media:/ for My Computer
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yay.  kopete backport got approved
[05:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yey!! great job! (now for Konversation... lol)
[05:00] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: I think that was a bug in either KDE or kubuntu...
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we'll wait till official release or that.
[05:01] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: What KDE version are you using?
[05:02] <yonkeltron> Timmmm: 3.5.2
[05:02] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: Yeah try KDE 3.5.4
[05:02] <yonkeltron> Timmmm: ummm
[05:03] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: I'll just see if I can find the bug.
[05:03] <yonkeltron> how?
[05:03] <zeronenorez> when i use atp-get kubuntu-desktop it will install KDE 3.54?
[05:03] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[05:03] <TheGateKeeper> Timmmm: does 3.5.4 go any quicker than 3.5.2 loading apps etc?
[05:03] <Timmmm> TheGateKeeper: Not really...
[05:03] <Kr4t05> zeronenorez: are you using kubuntu already?
[05:04] <zeronenorez> I just installing
[05:04] <zeronenorez> Kr4t05,is u want some information I will give u when i finished it
[05:04] <Kr4t05> TheGateKeeper: if you upgrade to KDE 3.5.4, it brings all of the components, (KTorrent, Amarok, Kopete, etc) up to newest ver.
[05:04] <Timmmm> yonkeltron: Yeah was a bug, has been fixed it seems: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128610
[05:05] <Kr4t05> zeronenorez: I already upgraded KDE.
[05:05] <zeronenorez> Kr4t05,ok if i have question i'll ask u ;>
[05:05] <TheGateKeeper> Kr4t05: have you noticed any speed increase?
[05:05] <Timmmm> TheGateKeeper: But you have to add the KDE 3.5.4 repository as it isn't in the main one.
[05:05] <Kr4t05> TheGateKeeper: A very slight one. Not anything that will save your life.
[05:06] <Kr4t05> TheGateKeeper: Also, while this may not be related, compiz seems to be a hair more friendly, but, Quinn has been updating those packages a lot lately. :)
[05:07] <yonkeltron> Timmmm: is it safe to upgrade 3.5.4
[05:07] <Kr4t05> yonkeltron: Of course.
[05:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: speaking of Kopete... I just learned recently that Kopete is pronounced as Koh-Peh-Teh...
[05:07] <yonkeltron> not going to break my system?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: shouldnt do
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe, really?
[05:07] <Kr4t05> yonkeltron: only if you've done something to make it break. ;P
[05:07] <TheGateKeeper> Kr4t05: Timmmm I'd like to know how I can persude the developers to give it some more speed, just installed arch linux on my old P3 test box, and KDE seems to be a lot faster. not that I have timed it
[05:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah... all this time, I thought it was Kow-peet....
[05:08] <Kr4t05> TheGateKeeper: It might be their kernel version
[05:08] <zeronenorez> i heard that many perfect dock only support KDE, is that right?
[05:08] <Kr4t05> TheGateKeeper: There are some kernel tweaks and packages that can give you some speed.
[05:08] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: Kubuntu isn't one of the "faster" KDE distros... IMHO....
[05:08] <Kr4t05> s/packages/patches
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> so I have noticed :-(
[05:09] <Bbetto55> hi, can i use firefox's plug ins in konqueror?
[05:09] <Timmmm> Kr4t05: Yeah. Hopefully KDE 4 will be faster... Although Qt 4 doesn't seem to be any faster than Qt3 tbh.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe, right
[05:09] <Kr4t05> Grumble.
[05:09] <Jucato> Bbetto55: sorry, but no...
[05:10] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: seems to be, yes.  we actually have all of the stable performance patches in kde 3.5.4 anyway.
[05:10] <zeronenorez> Kr4t05,do u know how to install OSX-Dock?
[05:11] <Kr4t05> zeronenorez: ksmoothdock is okay if you arn't using compiz or vista.
[05:11] <TheGateKeeper> Hobbsee: seems to be what? faster?
[05:11] <Kr4t05> -or vista. ><
[05:11] <Kr4t05> I'm brain dead.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: yes
[05:11] <RogueX> TheGateKeeper: Do you know if K3b will make and ISO of a disk?
[05:11] <Kr4t05> Everything's better if you're not using Vista. :P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: i think.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> i dont know.
[05:11] <TheGateKeeper> RogueX: think so
[05:12] <zeronenorez> Kr4t05,which one do not have the hide buttons?
[05:12] <RogueX> TheGateKeeper: can you tell me how?  All I can see is burning optionns
[05:12] <Hobbsee> RogueX: it should do.  i think you may have to run it as root though
[05:12] <Jucato> But I don't think Qt3 is really the issue why Kubuntu is "slower" than others. coz if it were the reason, then why are some KDE distros fast?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> RogueX: er, you'd have to copy the iso, and then reburn it?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> dont use k3b much, i'm afraid
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's not.   i'm thinking its' a placebo effect.  we get people in here telling us that kubuntu is faster than suse too.  *shrugs*.  of cours,e it helps starting with an empty session.
[05:14] <yonkeltron> Jucato: prelink makes stuff faster
[05:14] <Hobbsee> which i was going to suggest too.....
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: it can, yes
[05:14] <uwe2> hi
[05:14] <Jucato> I don't know... prelinking didn't work for me in Breezy...
[05:14] <Jucato> maybe I'll try it again this time
[05:14] <RogueX> Hobbsee: I am trying to make a ISO of a CD
[05:14] <jdong_> does prelinking help nowadays much?
[05:14] <jdong_> I though the linker was improved
[05:15] <TheGateKeeper> RogueX: never really tried Tools --> Burn CD Image... ???
[05:15] <jdong_> and I agree with Hobbsee... it's placebo effect
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heya jdong_!
[05:15] <jdong_> kubuntu is one of the fastest KDE distros
[05:15] <Hobbsee> jdong_: thanks for the kopete backport :)
[05:15] <jdong_> gentoo/slax aside
[05:15] <jdong_> very welcome, Hobbsee :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> jdong_: i didnt see much of an effect
[05:15] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: works wonder for my laptop
[05:16] <jdong_> Jucato: it's your imagination at work :)
[05:16] <Jucato> lol
[05:16] <Hobbsee> jdong_: it's much more sane only maintaining 2 of the same version than two different versions, with different patches.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> we were using 3 at one point, worked on by about 4 people.  shudder.
[05:16] <jdong_> wow
[05:17] <Jucato> I was surprised that MEPIS was faster than Kubuntu... I didn't expect it to be... maybe I should try out SUSE, too...
[05:17] <jdong_> Jucato: where do you get these ideas???
[05:17] <zeronenorez> Jucato, who to do that:* Jucato wonders what placebo effect means... I are dumb...
[05:17] <jdong_> Jucato: I just installed mepis on 2 systems last week
[05:17] <Hobbsee> it seems to just be a recipe for danger.
[05:17] <jdong_> it's just about the same speed as kubuntu
[05:17] <Jucato> jdong_: that was just my observation...
[05:18] <jdong_> mepis seems pretty good to me
[05:18] <jdong_> there are times when I'd prefer it over kubuntu
[05:18] <Jucato> it booted faster, KDE started up faster, with or without startup programs, programs launch faster... it was generally faster
[05:18] <jdong_> Jucato: that's technically impossible :-/
[05:18] <Hobbsee> jdong_: perhaps the placebo effect, and/or a combination of "the grass is always greener"
[05:19] <jdong_> Jucato: mepis is virtually source-identical to kubuntu
[05:19] <Jucato> I think I mentioned that "I was surprised"... because I didn't expect it to be, for the same reason that you mentioned
[05:19] <zeronenorez> Hobbsee how to make ur words blue?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> zeronenorez: use /me blah blah blah
[05:20] <jdong_> the best thing about mepis is that it's w32codec'ed/java'd out-of-the-box
[05:20] <jdong_> that's all I see in it
[05:20] <geoffrey> hi
[05:20] <jdong_> I highly diagree with its admin tools and grub tools
[05:20] <jdong_> but that's just me bitching :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> jdong_: have you tried the amarok 1.4.2 with the install mp3 script?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> jdong_: that's classy :)
[05:20] <jdong_> :)
[05:21] <jdong_> Jucato: they suck....
[05:21] <zeronenorez> Hobbsee, how about change to Red?
[05:21] <jdong_> IMO update-grub is so much better
[05:21] <LxGeoff> hi
[05:21] <Jucato> zeronenorez: when your name gets mentioned, the text is red
[05:21] <jdong_> and their admin tools are the ones from pre-ubuntu Mepis
[05:21] <LxGeoff> is it an english server?
[05:22] <zeronenorez> Jucato,no i mean everyone could see it REd
[05:22] <jprenaud> RogueX: have you burned your ISO image yet?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> zeronenorez: mentoin the person's nickname in the text
[05:22] <Jucato> jdong_: maybe warren did some magic script thingy to make it faster? or maybe because they have their own KDE packages?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> jdong_: there's likely to be a backport of konvi sometime too :)
[05:22] <jdong_> Jucato: I've looked through the source of mepis's repos... the changes won't make a performance impact
[05:23] <Kr4t05> Bah...
[05:23] <zeronenorez> Jucato,sorry i'm just a chinese :< i mean whole words
[05:23] <jdong_> and the magic script thingie :-/
[05:23] <Kr4t05> Slimming down kubuntu of all the un-needed stuff.
[05:23] <jdong_> Jucato: if mepis is seriously faster than kubuntu, the only explanation I can think of is that kubuntu's installer is messing up DMA or something
[05:24] <Jucato> jdong_: then MEPIS might have accomplished the impossible. at least on my system, and on a few others (check the forums, some confirmed what I observed)
[05:24] <jdong_> powernowd might be to blame, too
[05:24] <jdong_> mepis uses powersaved, I believe
[05:24] <yonkeltron> this is silly
[05:24] <yonkeltron> i'm risking breakage of my package system in order to get a screensaver
[05:24] <yonkeltron> silly
[05:24] <Jucato> jdong_: it's not "seriously" faster than Kubuntu, like Xubuntu is "seriously" faster than Kubuntu. but it's noticeably faster...
[05:24] <jdong_> Jucato: yeah, you're not the only one who's told me that  mepis is "faster"
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: does mepis save sessions, or start with an empty session?
[05:25] <jdong_> Jucato: are you running it on a CPU that does frequency scaling?
[05:25] <yonkeltron> mepis is subpar
[05:25] <yonkeltron> i used to be a mepis man
[05:25] <yonkeltron> kubuntu is better
[05:25] <yonkeltron> trust me
[05:25] <Jucato> jdong_: which really puzzles me... by all means, Kubuntu should be faster, or has more oppurtunities to be faster
[05:25] <jdong_> I'd personally like to see someone make an illegal kubuntu CD
[05:25] <jdong_> i.e. w32codecs, java, etc
[05:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I always start with an empty session, no matter which distro....
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the performance patches get pushed back to kde upstream, so that they work in all distros
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: unless the patches are on crack.
[05:26] <jdong_> btw, why the hell does mepis put an aquarium in the default taskbar???
[05:26] <Hobbsee> jdong_: yeah, that'd be nice.  *shrugs*
[05:26] <Hobbsee> jdong_: it's getting better though.  note the amarok mp3 support now
[05:26] <jdong_> yeah
[05:26] <jdong_> but still not Windows user ready :-/
[05:27] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:27] <Jucato> lol... I don't know... I still can't understand what an aquarium has to do with KDE or pyramids..
[05:28] <jdong_> I'm not a lawyer, but is it illegal for [k] ubuntu to  ship with an automatix-style script?
[05:28] <Jucato> jdong_: I'm not sure. how do I check if my CPU does frequency scaling?
[05:28] <jdong_> that fetches w32codecs from elsewhere?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jdong_: no, it's legal.
[05:28] <pointwood> the problem is that it is illegal to add support for the things "windows users" expect
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jdong_: we do that with amarok, really
[05:28] <Jucato> jdong_: perfectly legel...
[05:28] <jdong_> k
[05:28] <Jucato> s/legel/legal
[05:28] <fritsch> Jucato: have a look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jdong_: only problem with that is that automatix seems to be on crack.
[05:28] <jdong_> then I might respin some kubuntu livecd's
[05:28] <jdong_> Hobbsee: how so?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jdong_: talk to nalioth about edubuntu
[05:28] <fritsch> Jucato: there is "scaling_governor" scaling_cur_freq etc.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> nalioth: well, it used to be, i dotn know how it is now.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[05:29] <jdong_> no, it's ok
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: does it still add random repos?
[05:29] <pointwood> we need to convert the world to free, open formats :)
[05:29] <jdong_> Hobbsee: I switched them to my sources.list :)
[05:29] <jdong_> so IMO it's pretty sensible
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: very nice :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: nice.
[05:29] <pointwood> zeronenorez: feel free to start :D
[05:29] <jdong_> i mean, it still needs to reach for PLF
[05:29] <Jucato> jdong_: you worked on automatix? there's an error on their installation instructions in their new web page...
[05:29] <jdong_> but other than that, no
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: technically it's possible - if it gets thru quality control, etc
[05:29] <fritsch> zeronenorez: look in the wiki, many things are answered there
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: true.  as long as PLF doesnt end up breaking more crap that we then have to fix :P
[05:29] <fritsch> zeronenorez: but not many people read it (was my "erfahrung"?)
[05:29] <zeronenorez> pointwood, me? i'm just a boy
[05:29] <jdong_> Jucato: I served as project lead for two weeks, then ended up quitting
[05:29] <Hobbsee> jdong_: i'd look at changing the name or something :P
[05:30] <Hobbsee> jdong_: why'd you quit?
[05:30] <jdong_> Hobbsee: not enough free time
[05:30] <Hobbsee> jdong_: point.
[05:30] <fritsch> zeronenorez: would not be sure ;-)
[05:30] <jdong_> Hobbsee: as far as PLF goes, it's the most sensible place I could find to get stuff like win32codecs/libdvdcss
[05:30] <Hobbsee> jdong_: besides, we need your quick backport requests :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> jdong_: true that.
[05:30] <jdong_> :)
[05:31] <zeronenorez> fritsch, how old are u?
[05:31] <pointwood> we should get .wma and .wmv support through real soon though
[05:31] <jdong_> pointwood: ffmpeg already supports wmv9 and wma, right?
[05:31] <fritsch> zeronix: "your age" `mod` "my age" is < then my age?
[05:31] <jdong_> it's a relatively recent development
[05:31] <fritsch> zeronenorez: => you would be older :-)
[05:31] <jdong_> but I read that in their changelog
[05:31] <fritsch> zeronenorez: so tell me yours
[05:32] <pointwood> jdong_: yeah, but there is problems with streaming
[05:32] <jdong_> k
[05:32] <zeronenorez> fritsch, 18 ;-<
[05:32] <pointwood> jdong_: you always get the lowest quality
[05:32] <fritsch> zeronenorez: so the equation gives: 5
[05:32] <fritsch> zeronenorez: me is older ;-)
[05:32] <pointwood> real made a deal with MS some time ago and they can now legally create open source support for wma and wmv
[05:33] <zeronenorez> fritsch, i know that ,many people ignore me to play ubuntu
[05:33] <pointwood> which they have announced they will
[05:33] <zeronenorez> fritsch,because i 'm too young
[05:33] <pointwood> it will not support CRAP though (what some people refer to as DRM)
[05:33] <Jucato> hm...prelinking...
[05:34] <fritsch> zeronenorez: you are NOT ignored for you age
[05:34] <fritsch> zeronenorez: age is nothing that counts
[05:34] <zeronenorez> fritsch, i agree
[05:34] <fritsch> zeronenorez: have seen "many old du.."
[05:34] <fritsch> zeronenorez: everybody can help in linux
[05:34] <zeronenorez> fritsch, Love Ubuntu and Linux
[05:35] <fritsch> zeronenorez: and if something goes wrong, no matter - next try
[05:35] <Jucato> ./forum
[05:35] <Jucato> oops
[05:35] <jdong_> Jucato: apt-get install prelink :)
[05:35] <jdong_> Jucato: and then there's one config file to edit
[05:35] <Jucato> jdong_: eheh thanks. I'll try it out tomorrow when I wake up...
[05:35] <Jucato> (almost midnight here)
[05:36] <fritsch> jdong_: thx, look good by default i think
[05:36] <fritsch> zeronenorez: think so, too
[05:36] <Jucato> but really, this "speed" thingy has me really perplexed for a long time. Even led me to try doing a mimal install + kde-core instead of kubuntu-desktop..
[05:36] <fritsch> zeronenorez: but me has to leave now
[05:37] <fritsch> Jucato: mmh take gentoo
[05:37] <zeronenorez> fritsch, bye
[05:37] <fritsch> zeronenorez: cu! i am afk, but staying in here
[05:37] <zeronenorez> fritsch,.......nothing to say
[05:37] <Jucato> fritsch: I'm still trying to find ways of trying to optimize Kubuntu without having to become a rocket scientist...
[05:38] <jdong_> Jucato: what are the specs on your PC?
[05:38] <fritsch> Jucato: jdong_ suggested prelink
[05:38] <fritsch> Jucato: give it a try
[05:38] <ketsugi> Anyone else find KMail a bit slow?
[05:38] <ketsugi> It seems to lock up when I select mails
[05:38] <Jucato> fritsch: I will. when I wake up
[05:38] <Agios> Jucato: bigger hardware :)
[05:38] <fritsch> Jucato: just do: sudo apt-get install prelink
[05:38] <Jucato> jdong_: 1.5Ghz, 640MB RAM
[05:38] <larson9999> i run kde on a p3 700mgz and a amd 3500 and it's fast enough on both
[05:38] <fritsch> Jucato: shutdown your computer
[05:39] <jdong_> Jucato: kubuntu should be pretty fast on that
[05:39] <pointwood> I'm trying to use kmail now, but it seems to have stalled fetching my mail (using IMAP)
[05:39] <fritsch> Jucato: and tomorrow when you wake up... there will be speed
[05:39] <Jucato> jdong_: which is what bothers me...
[05:39] <jdong_> Jucato: try removing powernowd
[05:39] <jdong_> Jucato: yeah, because I can run kubuntu fine on a 500MHz laptop with 192MB RAM
[05:39] <fritsch> jdong_: in edgy will there be powersaved as default or can we use cpufreq_ondemand out of the box?
[05:39] <Jucato> jdong_: will do. so now that's 1) install prelink and 2) remove powernowd
[05:39] <fdoving> Jucato: 'preload' can be useful too.
[05:40] <zeronenorez> hooo finish download KDE
[05:40] <jdong_> fritsch: I think they're still gonna use powernowd :-/
[05:40] <fritsch> jdong_: wargh
[05:40] <jdong_> fritsch: IMHO kubuntu should be using powersaved
[05:40] <pointwood> kubuntu runs fine on this core duo machine :)
[05:40] <jdong_> which does use cpufreq/ondemand to do dynamic scaling
[05:40] <jdong_> pointwood: likewise on my core duo :)
[05:40] <pointwood> :D
[05:40] <fritsch> jdong_: you mean powersaved and kpwersave?
[05:41] <jdong_> fritsch: yes
[05:41] <jdong_> that's what I use here :)
[05:41] <fritsch> jdong_: as long as suspend2 is not possible for me in kpowersave (powersaved) i cannot use it
[05:41] <larson9999> uses powernowd here
[05:41] <zeronenorez> fritsch, choose kde as default?
[05:41] <fritsch> zeronenorez: if you want to?
[05:41] <jdong_> fritsch: powersaved currently uses a different set of suspend scripts than kubuntu's
[05:41] <fritsch> zeronenorez: you ran gnome before?
[05:42] <zeronenorez> yes
[05:42] <jdong_> fritsch: but nothing says we can't change that :-/
[05:42] <fritsch> jdong_: yes, but for suspend2 it uses the "hibernate" script as well
[05:42] <ironfroggy> is there a way to get a very slightly newer version of wine than what is in the repo without compiling it myself?
[05:42] <fritsch> jdong_: i never got such a hard lock than like in powersaved and suspend2 before ;-)
[05:42] <jdong_> again, that's a changeable detail
[05:42] <ironfroggy> or pulling new versions of other things?
[05:42] <fritsch> jdong_: i try again, when gdb is finished with amarok
[05:42] <fritsch> jdong_: yes i know
[05:42] <fritsch> jdong_: kpowersave has many features, btw.
[05:42] <jdong_> ironfroggy: check winehq.com
[05:43] <jdong_> fritsch: exactly... I love kpowersave
[05:43] <zeronenorez> fritsch,i'm beginner just like to make cool theme :->
[05:43] <Jucato> :-(
[05:43] <jdong_> fritsch:  and I'm not too impressed with the new guidance battery app
[05:43] <Jucato> hm.. "has no use"....
[05:43] <fritsch> jdong_: i have the "dapper" version running next to me
[05:43] <fritsch> jdong_: it looked bad ;-)
[05:44] <fritsch> jdong_: brightness stuff, hdd stuff etc. this is very cool in kpowersave
[05:44] <jdong_> ironfroggy: on winehq.com they offer instructions on how to get wine packages for ubuntu. those are good packages
[05:44] <Jucato> time to go to bed...
[05:44] <fritsch> zeronenorez: you installed "kubuntu-desktop" right?
[05:44] <Jucato> bye! will do prelinking and remove powernowd tomorrow
[05:44] <fritsch> Jucato: have a nice trip ...
[05:44] <Jucato> thanks for the tips
[05:44] <jdong_> fritsch: suse's put a lot of work into kpowersave
[05:44] <Jucato> fritsch: hehehe! thanks
[05:44] <fritsch> jdong_: yes i know ... tried suse 10, 10.1 etc.
[05:44] <zeronenorez> fritsch,i don't know not finished
[05:44] <jdong_> but I do admit it derivates from kubuntu's simplicity paradigm
[05:44] <fritsch> jdong_: always try there versions
[05:44] <gplfighter> hello
[05:45] <gplfighter> can i check or a packeage is sucessfully installed?
[05:45] <fritsch> jdong_: but don`t use them, because of the damn slowliness of package management
[05:45] <jdong_> fortunately, kpowersave is available in ubuntu repos :)
[05:45] <gplfighter> with a 1 line output?
[05:45] <jdong_> fritsch: SUSE's good, but kubuntu suits me better :)
[05:45] <fritsch> jdong_: yes it is got it, used it, etc. but waiting on Andrew Barr for the susend2 fixes
[05:45] <jdong_> fritsch: faster package management, yes
[05:46] <fritsch> jdong_: yes, same for me - "grown up" with deb
[05:46] <jdong_> fritsch: knoppix switched me to linux, gentoo kept me using linux until ubuntu came out :)
[05:46] <jdong_> fritsch: but somewhere between the two I've tried nearly every distro that distrowatch indexs
[05:48] <fritsch> jdong_: hehe, had Fedora, Mandrake
[05:48] <fritsch> jdong_: Suse, all debians, kubuntu, ubuntu, etc.
[05:48] <ironfroggy> jdong_: and those are not the ones in the repo, but are newer?
[05:48] <fritsch> jdong_: but, mmmh
[05:48] <larson9999> i've only tried about a dozen distros.  i like kubuntu and dsl
[05:48] <fritsch> jdong_: i did not like the "too graphical" ones
[05:48] <fritsch> jdong_: cannot live without a shell open
[05:49] <zeronenorez> fritsch, yes i agree bad fedora
[05:49] <fdoving> gplfighter: yes, from the commandline: 'dpkg -l packagename|tail -n1'
[05:49] <gplfighter> fdoving : thx
[05:50] <larson9999> fedora was fine but yum was soooo slow.  i figured that i didn't want a distro that would use yum as its default package manager.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> larson9999: smart move IMHO
[05:51] <zeronenorez> fritsch, now upgrate completely ,i need restart computer? or just restart x-windows?
[05:51] <fritsch> zeronenorez: restarting X is normall sufficant
[05:52] <fritsch> zeronenorez: but, it is good when hal, etc. gets reoloaded
[05:52] <fritsch> zeronenorez: so reboot ...
[05:52] <zeronenorez> fritsch,thux
[05:53] <otaku-san> fritsh: you don't ever need to reboot linux....thats one of the cool things about it
[05:53] <otaku-san> fritsch: rebooting is a windoze thing...
[05:53] <Kr4t05> otaku-san: shush
[05:54] <fritsch> otaku-san: normally you only reboot when you change kernel
[05:54] <jdong_> otaku-san: well, you do need to reboot linux sometimes :)
[05:54] <jdong_> otaku-san: i.e. kernel updates
[05:54] <fritsch> otaku-san: but let me tell you sth.
[05:54] <jdong_> otaku-san: also, if there's a hal/dbus update it may be worthwhile to reboot
[05:54] <jdong_> but in general, yes, you don't need to reboot Linux as much as windows :)
[05:54] <fritsch> jdong_: exactly, because of this i wanted him to reboot
[05:54] <fdoving> otaku-san: some times rebooting is the fastest and easiest way.. even if it is possible to do anything without rebooting.. except kernel updates :)
[05:54] <jdong_> where a notepad update requires a reboot :)
[05:55] <jdong_> (and no, I'm not kidding. windows NT update for notepad requests a reboot)
[05:55] <otaku-san> I think I was just pwnz0red .... ;)
[05:55] <fdoving> you can restart dbus with kde running, without much problems.. for example.
[05:55] <DaSkreech> jdong_: How's Ipod linux?
[05:55] <jdong_> DaSkreech: I wouldn't knw :-/
[05:56] <jdong_> fdoving: I got some BSD buddies that have uber-creative ways of applying even the largest updates without rebooting
[05:56] <jdong_> actually, it's more of an in-place rebooting script :)
[05:56] <otaku-san> theres a distro totally meant for an Ipod
[05:56] <otaku-san> .....wow that's odd
[05:56] <DaSkreech> jdong_: Berry LInux?
[05:56] <KeenEars> hi guys
[05:57] <jdong_> DaSkreech: it's decent.. I like it as a livecd
[05:57] <jdong_> DaSkreech: but I wouldn't use it over ubuntu/kubuntu for any reason
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Elive? :)
[05:57] <jdong_> DaSkreech: I don't like enlightenment
[05:58] <DaSkreech> jdong_: :-P :-)
[05:58] <fdoving> jdong_: heh.. i can understand that for hardcore production server environments. but for desktops i don't spend much time trying to avoid rebooting anymore. Back in the days when i started using linux, i was keeping desktops running like 200 days and so on.. i'm over that stage now. :)
[05:58] <KeenEars> can i get my localepack for kubuntu and not use apt-get ?
[05:59] <jdong_> fdoving: lol, but you gotta admit uptime contests can be fun :)
[05:59] <jdong_> ok, maybe a little bit
[05:59] <fdoving> jdong_: sure, for servers :)
[05:59] <jdong_> it ruins my disk cache
[05:59] <trappist> 10:59AM  up 704 days, 22:39, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[05:59] <fritsch> jdong_: my friends debian ran over 300 days
[05:59] <trappist> I win!
[05:59] <fritsch> jdong_: the had a "AC disconnect" while he was on hollidays
[05:59] <kzeronenorez> fritcsh, kde has more apps?
[05:59] <fritsch> jdong_: he changed so many things manually in between
[05:59] <KeenEars> for example, take a package from repository ?
[05:59] <jdong_> fdoving: I got access to a Sun with 8GB RAM
[05:59] <jdong_> fdoving: after using it for a few days, everything is cached
[06:00] <larson9999> i can't seem to find a fan that will last more than a year
[06:00] <fritsch> jdong_: and after reboot the whole family could not use their internet for over 2 weeks :-)
[06:00] <pointwood> trappist: you got a beer advantage - unfair! :p
[06:00] <trappist> beer does help.
[06:00] <pointwood> mmm...trappist beer :)
[06:00] <trappist> pointwood: that box also has a freebsd advantage.  I think linux resets its uptime around 400 days
[06:00] <pointwood> k
[06:01] <kzeronenorez> fritsch, u tell me which dock is good?i forget
[06:01] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: which "dock"?
[06:02] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: documentation?
[06:02] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: to learn kubuntu?
[06:02] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: mmmh "prove is bigger thant study" we say in germany
[06:02] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: so just try it out
[06:02] <kzeronenorez> fritsch, no just like osx-dock
[06:03] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: ah
[06:03] <fritsch> kzeronenorez: sorry no idea of a "good" one
[06:03] <kzeronenorez> ok
[06:04] <otaku-san> ok restarting X is good!
[06:07] <KeenEars> so is there way to install from local repository ? can synaptic or smth do it ?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> fritsch: Smart saying
[06:08] <DaSkreech> KeenEars: Whats a Local repository? Your machine or some network server?
[06:08] <KeenEars> my machine ;)
[06:08] <KeenEars> for example i need to take rus. pack for kubuntu home. but there`s no inet ;(
[06:10] <KeenEars> so i can`t apt-get it. if i apt-get it with livecd, can it save somewhere all i need ?
[06:11] <KeenEars> so can i do it somehow ?
[06:13] <xxenon> hi, is there a build of amarok 1.4.2 somewhere ?
[06:13] <lupine_85> KeenEars: You can d/l the .deb files directly and put them  on a USB stick or something, if that's any help
[06:13] <DaSkreech> KeenEars: Yeah
[06:14] <KeenEars> here : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok/
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Drop them in the /var/cache/apt/archive folder and then apt-get them
[06:14] <KeenEars> there`s alot of debs... maybe i miss some deps
[06:14] <DaSkreech> The first place it checks is that folder and if they aren't there then it checks your network then the net
[06:14] <KeenEars> i just wanted for apt-get to do all the work ;)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> KeenEars: try packages.ubuntu.com They will tell you all the dependencies
[06:15] <KeenEars> k, thanx
[06:15] <DaSkreech> KeenEars: Well if you don't have net ....
[06:15] <DaSkreech>  :)
[06:15] <lupine_85> or just dpkg -i ;)
[06:15] <KeenEars> how will i ask then ? =)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Well..... You have keenears I'll just shout the answer
[06:16] <DaSkreech> kzeronenorez: Why do you ask?
[06:16] <KeenEars> =)
[06:16] <fdoving> KeenEars: you can use 'apt-get -d install' that will download to /var/cache/apt/archives/ on the livecd.. then copy to some other device, and take back home, and install, you won't be able to apt-get install since you don't have the packages.gz from the mirror, but since apt-get on the livecd did all the depend-checks before downloading you can do: 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' and it'll work.
[06:17] <KeenEars>      )
[06:17] <kzeronenorez> there are so many sexygirl in kde-look.org
[06:17] <KeenEars> unsure u have loud voice ;)
[06:17] <fdoving> KeenEars: that's 'apt-get -d install packagename'
[06:17] <jdong_> LOL, guys, check this out
[06:17] <jdong_> so I'm reading a laptop review
[06:17] <DaSkreech> kzeronenorez: Well kde-look.org != kde
[06:17] <KeenEars> fdov - thanx really;)
[06:18] <jdong_> and they're benchmarking and showing these charts about rendering times, etc
[06:18] <kzeronenorez> but i like that
[06:18] <jdong_> and then they go to test battery life
[06:18] <xxenon> KeenEars - thanks...but it's not showing in apt-get ...any reason ?
[06:18] <jdong_> the caption reads (Battery Life -- time in seconds (Lower is Better))
[06:18] <jdong_> I guess they forgot to change the caption :)
[06:18] <KeenEars> not showin what ?
[06:18] <fdoving> jdong_: nice one :)
[06:19] <xxenon> KeenEars - amarok 1.4.2 is not showing apt-cache show, after an apt-get update
[06:19] <lupine_85> xxenon: just apt-get upgrade
[06:19] <DaSkreech> jdong_: The $100 Laptop?  :-)
[06:19] <lupine_85> should do the trick
[06:19] <jdong_> DaSkreech: lol :)
[06:19] <KeenEars> i just looked with browser and sought
[06:19] <kzeronenorez> DaSkreech,there is the theme edit?
[06:19] <xxenon> KeenEars - no, it's not there.
[06:20] <KeenEars> lots like amarok_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb                      24-Aug-2006 17:08   14M
[06:20] <DaSkreech> kzeronenorez: It's not as easy in KDE as Gnome
[06:20] <KeenEars> anyway i like aptitude more.. will it work with ubuntu ?
[06:21] <jdong_> xxenon: have you tried http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/23/get-it-hot-amarok-142-released/
[06:21] <kzeronenorez> DaSkreech, i will read wiki
[06:22] <fdoving> KeenEars: if you're browsing the mirrors that's for edgy. not dapper.
[06:22] <xxenon> jdong_ - thanks
[06:22] <fdoving> KeenEars: aptitude is installed by default, yes.
[06:22] <KeenEars> ? havent see it in desktop.
[06:22] <KeenEars> and mc too =(
[06:23] <KeenEars> k.
[06:23] <fdoving> you'll have to install mc.
[06:23] <fdoving> 'sudo aptitude install mc'
[06:24] <KeenEars> but is there package ?
[06:24] <fdoving> for mc?
[06:24] <KeenEars> ah mabe for debian
[06:24] <fdoving> yes.
[06:24] <nagyv> hello! I would like to write an audio CD from mp3 files. K3b says that it is unsupported. I am sure, that I should only install something. Cout someone help me?
[06:24] <KeenEars> what abt gnomebaker ?
[06:25] <jdong_> nagyv: you need to install an additional package
[06:25] <trappist> nagyv: install libk3b2-mp3
[06:25] <jdong_> there it is
[06:25] <fdoving> nagyv: install the package 'libk3b2-mp3'. it's in the universe repository.
[06:25] <KeenEars> k. btw what package is needed to play mp3s ? not this ?
[06:26] <nagyv> jdong_: fdoving: thx!
[06:26] <fdoving> KeenEars: libxine-extracodecs
[06:26] <jdong_> KeenEars: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[06:26] <KeenEars> xmms ;)
[06:26] <jdong_> KeenEars: you also might want to see the linked RestrictedFormats page.
[06:27] <jdong_> the more laws we break today here, the better :)
[06:27] <jdong_> lol
[06:27] <KeenEars> =) do not learn me to break laws
[06:27] <KeenEars> *teach
[06:28] <jdong_> :)
[06:28] <flo_> can someone please help me remove vmware player from my sistem? when i try to do that i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21890
[06:28] <KeenEars> because there`s no such law here
[06:29] <jdong_> KeenEars: you lucky bastard :)
[06:29] <Dannilion> I have a question
[06:29] <KeenEars> is it so hard for mp3s ?
[06:30] <Dannilion> is there any way for me to get the bcm43xx driver to load on startup, so my wireless will just work?
[06:30] <jdong_> KeenEars: what do you mean? installing the packages or the patent protection?
[06:31] <_lupine> Dannilion: you could stick a pre-up command in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <_lupine> e.g. auto wlan0
[06:31] <_lupine> iface blah
[06:31] <Dannilion> got that
[06:32] <Dannilion> auto eth1
[06:32] <_lupine> pre-up modprobe bcm43xx
[06:32] <Dannilion> where do I stick that?
[06:32] <jdong_> guys, how's adding bcm43xx to /etc/modules? ;)
[06:32] <_lupine> I think you can stick it in /etc/modprobe.d/ somewhere as well
[06:32] <Dannilion> it's in /etc/modules
[06:32] <_lupine> ah, that's the one
[06:32] <_lupine> :)
[06:32] <jdong_> :)
[06:32] <jdong_> and it doesn't probe at bootup??
[06:32] <digital_monk> I installed ubuntu 6.06 and need pine but when I 'apt-get install pine' it doesn't exist.  Anyone know the package name???
[06:32] <CVirus> Dannilion: can I ask ,,, what wireless card are you using ?
[06:33] <flo_> can someone tell me atleast how i can force a unninstall?
[06:33] <KeenEars> fdoving - so at home i must only do apt-get -i <name> ?
[06:33] <Dannilion> Belkin High Speed G one
[06:33] <fdoving> KeenEars: 'dpkg -i *.deb' in the directory with all the .deb files.
[06:33] <Dannilion> chipset Broadcom 4306
[06:33] <CVirus> Dannilion: any idea whether the 4311 chipset works or not ?
[06:34] <KeenEars> ok
[06:34] <Dannilion> I've just spent 2 hours trying to get ndiswrapper working, with no joy
[06:34] <lupine_85> better
[06:34] <Dannilion> no idea, CVirus
[06:34] <fdoving> Dannilion: use bcm43xx driver.
[06:34] <fdoving> !broadcom
[06:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:34] <Dannilion> I am using the bcm43xx driver
[06:34] <lupine_85> ow!
[06:34] <lupine_85> thanks
[06:35] <Dannilion> I want it work on startyp though
[06:35] <Dannilion> and sticking it in /etc/modules doesn't do it
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Dannilion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[06:35] <Hawkwind> Dannilion: Have you read that how-to for broadcomm ?
[06:35] <Dannilion> yup
[06:35] <lupine_85> Dannilion: is it that the driver isn#t loading, or that the card isn't associating to the AP?
[06:35] <Kr4t05> Bah! ><
[06:36] <KeenEars> unsure i get it right. first, i run cd. then, apt-get -d install ?
[06:36] <Kr4t05> Did anyone manage to get a copy of the Vista KBFX button theme from KDE-Look before it got taken down?
[06:37] <Dannilion> both, KeenEars
[06:37] <fdoving> KeenEars: yes, then apt-get downloads the files to /var/cache/apt/archives/ - you copy them to usb-disk or something.. bring the usb-disk back home, cd to the directory with the .deb files and run 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[06:37] <Dannilion> I have to first modprobe bcm43xx, then tell Wireless Assistant to connect to the network
[06:37] <lupine_85> do you get any errors in dmesg ?
[06:38] <Dannilion> not that I can see
[06:38] <fdoving> Dannilion: putting bcm43xx on one line in /etc/modules should have it load at boot time.
[06:39] <Dannilion> I know it should, it just doesn't
[06:39] <fdoving> Dannilion: after it's loaded you should set it up in /etc/network/interfaces to connect automatically. then you don't have to use wireless assistant.
[06:40] <Dannilion> auto eth1
[06:40] <Dannilion> iface eth1 inet static and so on?
[06:40] <fdoving> yes, do you use wpa/wep?
[06:40] <Dannilion> nope
[06:40] <lupine_85> wireless-* can be put in interfaces
[06:40] <lupine_85> (where * is any command you can pass to iwconfig)
[06:41] <KeenEars> thanx, i`ll try
[06:41] <digital_monk> I installed ubuntu 6.06 and need pine but when I 'apt-get install pine' it doesn't exist.  Anyone know the package name???
[06:41] <KeenEars> btw can i enable root back ? sudo is gets me tired
[06:41] <fdoving> Dannilion: then it is, like lupine_85 says, advisable to add 'wireless-essid essid' atleast.
[06:41] <Dannilion> yup, got wireless-essid DJS
[06:41] <KeenEars> monk, maybe aptitude will do better as u can see the names
[06:41] <lupine_85> Also pre-up iwlist eth1 scan
[06:42] <narg> KeenEars: sudo passwd
[06:42] <Dannilion> ahh, don't have that one
[06:42] <Dannilion> thanks
[06:42] <Dannilion> do I just put that one in?
[06:42] <fdoving> digital_monk: pine is not inclued as it has a restrictive license. i suggest 'mutt' or similar.
[06:42] <lupine_85> yes, after the modprobe pre-up
[06:43] <KeenEars> k
[06:43] <Dannilion> where do I put it then?
[06:43] <lupine_85> in interfaces
[06:43] <Dannilion> thanks
[06:43] <lupine_85> before any of the wireless-* options, but after the iface line
[06:43] <fdoving> after the iface eth1 inet static line.
[06:43] <Dannilion> thanks
[06:43] <KeenEars> yep, aptitude is here. good
[06:44] <Dannilion> with luck, it should now load up at startup, right?
[06:44] <KeenEars> ok, bye guys, you`re really like an elixir to my stains ;)
[06:44] <narg> In kubuntu konqueror, they have the searchbox, but as far as I can tell, its impossible to get rid of. Anyone know why/how?
[06:44] <Dannilion> I'll be back in a few minutes to let you know if it worked :)
[06:44] <digital_monk> fdoving - Thx
[06:45] <fdoving> narg: in konqueror go to: settings -> configure plugins (if i translated correctly)
[06:45] <pishta> In need help
[06:45] <fdoving> !ask
[06:45] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:46] <fdoving> digital_monk: you're welcome.
[06:46] <narg> fdoving: ah, I was looking the wrong place. Thanks.
[06:46] <fdoving> narg: you're welcome :)
[06:46] <narg> fdoving: I assumed it would be in configure toolsbar
[06:46] <narg> *toolbars
[06:46] <DaSkreech> fdoving: That's a good point.
[06:46] <fdoving> narg: i did too, that's why i remember very well :)
[06:47] <pishta> I wanna know where do I find a list of programs for Kubuntu, like video codecs, etc
[06:47] <Kr4t05> pishta: Adept
[06:48] <narg> apt-cache search * should get you one, but I wouldn't suggest doing it.
[06:48] <monkwarrior> or Synaptic I believe
[06:49] <digital_monk> Where can I find a list of all official Ubuntu repositories?
[06:49] <fdoving> digital_monk: i suggest using source-o-matic
[06:49] <fdoving> !source-o-matic
[06:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:50] <fdoving> not all official, but they are listed.
[06:50] <digital_monk> fdoving: will do.  :)
[06:50] <Dannilion> it worked! Thank you very much people :)
[06:51] <fdoving> you're welcome dannilion.
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Shhhhh Be very very Quiet I'm Hunting Wabbits
[07:02] <phreakys> hello
[07:02] <DaSkreech> HI
[07:02] <phreakys> i had big troubles with ati-drivers on kubuntu so i decided to create a fresh new install of kubuntu, and followed the kernelbuild option from the ubuntu-guides
[07:03] <phreakys> finally everything works now, but as im upgrading everything now(including kernel), must I do the whole kernel build again?
[07:03] <mikki> i need help with the wireless connection on my computer, somebody that can help me?
[07:03] <phreakys> if so, from what part should i start?
[07:04] <phreakys> doesnt work mikki?
[07:05] <pishta> I have lots of programs, I just can't install them
[07:06] <pishta> anyone?
[07:06] <phreakys> you can use the packet manager (adept) for that pishta
[07:07] <phreakys> or... sudo apt-get install (programname)
[07:07] <pishta> I tryed that command and nothing
[07:07] <fdoving> pishta: kmenu -> system -> adept manager
[07:07] <narg> pishta: what error message did you get?
[07:08] <lupine_85> phreakys: kernel upgrade will render your current kernel obsolete (including the custom config). So just save your .config and do a make oldconfig on the new sources
[07:08] <phreakys> !oldconfig
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oldconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:08] <phreakys> tnx lupine
[07:11] <pishta> thnks phreakys
[07:11] <pishta> thnks narg
[07:14] <baldi> is there an blowfish plugin for konversation available?
[07:16] <fek> how do i switch my opengl vendor from mesa to ati?
[07:16] <tonyazp> ayuda
[07:16] <tonyazp> ayuda
[07:16] <tonyazp> necesito ayuda
[07:16] <tonyazp> mi amaroK no me reproduce ni mp3 ni wma ni na de na
[07:17] <mikki> i need help with the wireless connection on my computer, somebody that can help me?
[07:18] <[GuS] > tonyazp, #Kubuntu-es
[07:18] <tonyazp> si
[07:20] <Alex_> hello
[07:21] <gan|y|med> hello
[07:22] <gan|y|med> i wanna mount a "firewired" harddisk. partition one is vfat and can be mounted rw, partition 2 is reiserfs and is mount rw only for root (using the automounter). any ideas why this is this way?
[07:23] <gourdin> hi there
[07:23] <gourdin> I need some (k)ubuntu users to reproduce this bug : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132786
[07:23] <gourdin> if someone can help =)
[07:23] <gourdin> thx in advance
[07:23] <DaSkreech> !info dash
[07:24] <Kr4t05> Question, is there anyway to change the file system of a hard disk without deleting the files?
[07:24] <ubotu> dash: The Debian Almquist Shell. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 81 kB, installed size 204 kB
[07:24] <DaSkreech> !es
[07:24] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:24] <Kr4t05> I know, in Windows, you could change from FAT32 to NTFS without losing data.
[07:24] <gan|y|med> Kr4t05: no
[07:25] <lupine_85> gan|y|med: the permissions on the reiserfs fs are root-only?
[07:25] <lupine_85> or ir doesn't have the user option in fstab ?
[07:25] <azazel35> Amis bonsoir !
[07:26] <lupine_85> ...."it", rather...
[07:26] <gan|y|med> lupine_85: yes, but i cannot figure out why. i have tried to mount it by hand with the same options. not all of them can be used with -o, but the ones i tried don't do the trick
[07:26] <lupine_85> to mount as user, it needs to have the user option in fstab
[07:26] <gan|y|med> lupine_85: i don't use fstab for this as it is mounted via the automounter
[07:26] <azazel35> #kubuntu-fr
[07:26] <lupine_85> mounting by hand won't do the trick
[07:26] <lupine_85> Just append it to the current list of options and you'll be set to go
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !fr
[07:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:27] <lupine_85> it should still have an fstab entry?
[07:27] <lupine_85> if absolutely not, try changing the permissions of the directory it's being mounted on
[07:27] <gan|y|med> why? the vfat works without problems
[07:28] <gan|y|med> and i don't wanna make it static. what's the point of automount then?
[07:28] <gan|y|med> and udev
[07:28] <fek> how do i switch my opengl vendor from mesa to ati?
[07:29] <gan|y|med> fek: install ati drivers?
[07:30] <baldi> does anyone use blowfish + koversation?
[07:30] <gan|y|med> lupine_85: any ideas?
[07:31] <lupine_85> aside from the directory permissions, not really I'm afraid
[07:31] <gan|y|med> i wanna mount a "firewired" harddisk. partition one is vfat and can be mounted rw, partition 2 is reiserfs and is mount rw only for root (using the automounter). any ideas why this is this way?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> baldi: You can ask in #konversation as well
[07:31] <lupine_85> it's not a problem i've come across, as I try to keep everything as static as possible ;)
[07:32] <baldi> thx
[07:32] <gan|y|med> and me as flexible as possible :)
[07:34] <gan|y|med> okay, i have found an option for the vfat: mount as user. but there is no for the reiserfs partition. does anybody know why dapper behaves this way with me ? :(
[07:36] <lupine_85> vfat doesn't come with permissions, whereas reiserfs does?
[07:36] <lupine_85> presumably, it's just giving what it thinks are sane defaults
[07:36] <lupine_85> s/defaults/options
[07:37] <pussfeller> well i got xgl working and it runs ok on my mx420 and 600mhz P3 except the mouse doesnt refresh half the time and I cannot see it
[07:38] <grothesk_> rnel ready
[07:38] <grothesk_>  First of all make sure that you are using the 2.6 series kernel, and your glidepoint hardware using event interface. For testing you m
[07:38] <grothesk_> Sorry...!
[07:39] <grothesk_> How can I reenable an ALPS Touchpad after a resume from suspend2ram? Right now it ist dead afterwards.
[07:39] <gan|y|med> lupine_85: s/defaults/options ????
[07:40] <dusty_> Hey guys im trying to run azureus under kubuntu when i run it it starts (i can see it in ps aux | grep azureus) and it flashes the warnings up but its not on the taskbar and i have no way of brining the interface up anyone know what i can do?
[07:40] <marco_> hello
[07:40] <marco_> ciao
[07:41] <marco_> hola
[07:41] <marco_> salve
[07:41] <marco_> welcome
[07:41] <lupine_85> sed script to fix my type ;)
[07:41] <Ghostyness> I installed kubuntu to a partition, then windows to a ntfs one. Now, It's automatically booting off the windows partition instead of the kubuntu one (which has grub to choose). I installed windows after. I tried using gparted and just setting my ext3 kubuntu partition with the boot flag, and it didn't work it had a "unable to find operating system" error (that showed when I turned on my...
[07:41] <Ghostyness> ...computer). Right now I'm in windows xp. how can I set it to load off the partition and launch grub so I can dual boot?
[07:41] <lupine_85> !it
[07:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:41] <lupine_85> !es
[07:41] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:42] <marco_> italiani?????? campioni del mondooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:42] <marco_> champion of the world
[07:42] <Tm_T> err?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Weeeeee are the champions my frrrieennddddd
[07:42] <marco_> hahahahahaha
[07:42] <Tm_T> behave, please
[07:42] <DaSkreech> And weeeeee'llll keep on fighting till the end
[07:43] <Ghostyness> >	I installed kubuntu to a partition, then windows to a ntfs one. Now, It's automatically booting off the windows partition instead of the kubuntu one (which has grub to choose). I installed windows after. I tried using gparted and just setting my ext3 kubuntu partition with the boot flag, and it didn't work it had a "unable to find operating system" error (that showed when I turned on my...
[07:43] <Ghostyness> ...computer). Right now I'm in windows xp. how can I set it to load grub?
[07:43] <marco_> yes you are cool daskreech
[07:43] <Tm_T> Ghostyness: sorry but repeating doesn't really help ;(
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Ghostyness: have you read !grub
[07:44] <DaSkreech> !grub
[07:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:44] <Ghostyness> DaSkreech: Thanks
[07:44] <marco_> is my first ubuntu installation i no idea i don't help you
[07:45] <Martijn81> Ghostyness: windows had the habit to overwrite the bootmanager with his own, you'll have to recover it
[07:45] <Ghostyness> Martijn81: alright reading the grub page
[07:45] <Martijn81> my bad, i was slow again...
[07:46] <marco_> italiani qui no ??????????????'
[07:46] <intelikey> !it
[07:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:46] <Tm_T> marco_: please use english
[07:46] <marco_> c' qualcuno che parla la mia lingua?
[07:47] <marco_> ok i'm sorry
[07:47] <Tm_T> no problemo, just don't make it a habit
[07:47] <marco_> :(
[07:47] <marco_> thank you
[07:48] <gan|y|med> does anybody know how to change the default options for automounted file systems?
[07:49] <intelikey> man mount   might know
[07:50] <gan|y|med> for the automounter?
[07:51] <marco_> disturbo un ultima volta in italiano poi mandatemi a quel paese se volete: come ci si connette a ubuntu.it?
[07:51] <intelikey> yes.   defaults can be adjusted.   i don't recall the specifics.   something like make a file /etc/mount.conf   or some thing and put the new defaults in it.
[07:52] <intelikey> i don't automount other than fstab so i wasn't interested in that when i read it. gan|y|med
[07:53] <gan|y|med> intelikey: and do you knwo how to change it? is it some udev or hotplug option?
[07:53] <intelikey> ^
[07:53] <gan|y|med> it is bad enough that windows is not smart enough to read reiserfs so i had to create a vfat option (feels like stone age)
[07:58] <intelikey> but !      gan|y|med what you are probably wanting is to just add a line in fstab   example; /dev/hda7 /media/something vfat defaults,umask=022,fmask=111,dmask=044,uid=1000 0 0
[08:00] <intelikey> short form (insecure) /dev/hda7 /media/something vfat umask=0 0 0
[08:00] <gan|y|med> intelikey: yes, that would be possible, but then it is valid for any /dev/sda2 (in my case) and when i add sth different then the disk (usb-stick, other disk) i get this behaviour and possibly a security risk or whatever...
[08:00] <intelikey> i really doubt that you want to change the default mount options.
[08:02] <otaku-san> where do I need to save window decorations so that it can find them
[08:02] <oslo> do someone try to use quark xpress on kubuntu with wine ??
[08:02] <gan|y|med> intelikey: well, the first problem is that i don't know the mount point, as it can be ieee1394disk or ieee1394disk-1
[08:03] <Kr4t05> otaku-san: if you get a properly made archive, you should be able to install them with KControl
[08:03] <aliasfred> q. when using nano, i would like to prevent the 'wrap around' on the text ? aka when a line is greater that 80 characters, dont insert a new line automatically. is there a way to set such behaviour by default ?
[08:03] <hakim> SALUT A TOUS
[08:04] <xyus> hiya
[08:04] <draik> Salut
[08:04] <intelikey> gan|y|med also that line ^ wont mount anything but ntfs/vfat/msdos the options u/d/fmask are M$ specific options.   so maybe you do want to change the default mount options.  man mount
[08:04] <otaku-san> Kr4t05: you mean it should come with a make file that automatically sends it to Kcontrol?
[08:05] <Kr4t05> otaku-san: wait a moment
[08:05] <otaku-san> k
[08:05] <xyus> Guys
[08:05] <xyus> I have a problem
[08:05] <xyus> I have to convert a rpm to deb
[08:05] <xyus> I downloaded Alien
[08:05] <intelikey> gan|y|med if you change default mount options, be sure to specify the current options for / in the fstab so it doesn't also change.
[08:05] <xyus> but I i typ "sudo alien LimeWire.rpm" it says "unkown file" wtf
[08:05] <draik> xyus            man alien
[08:05] <Kr4t05> xyus: use frostwire
[08:06] <hakim> UN PERSONN PEUX M AIDER SUR LINUX  UBUNTU SVP
[08:06] <xyus> frostwire
[08:06] <draik> frostwire kicks
[08:06] <xyus> but it says unkown file
[08:06] <xyus> the file is NOT UNKOWN
[08:06] <xyus> I've typed it right
[08:06] <xyus> It can't find it
[08:06] <aliasfred> !fr
[08:06] <xyus> :s
[08:06] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:06] <xyus> ok
[08:06] <Kr4t05> xyus: sudo apt-get install frostwire, don't bother with limewire
[08:06] <aliasfred> hakim cest pour toi :)
[08:06] <draik> xyus           sudo apt-get install frostwire
[08:06] <xyus> but I want to know how to convert a dep to rpm
[08:06] <draik> xyus            man alien
[08:06] <hakim> MERCI
[08:06] <intelikey> xyus may i ask why you have to convert this file?   what is the app/package ?
[08:07] <xyus> it is limewire , setup is rpm
[08:07] <Kr4t05> xyus: you don't even have to use the RPM version for Limewire.
[08:07] <intelikey> oh limewire 'im slow'   hehhe use frost
[08:07] <xyus> terminal can't find frostwire
[08:07] <draik> xyus, use frostwire... go through adept if you must.......
[08:07] <Kr4t05> !limewire
[08:07] <aliasfred> hakim: et les majucules cest pas forcees :) (and caps are not mandatory)
[08:07] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[08:07] <otaku-san> xyus: I had to install Automatix and then Frostwire to get it
[08:07] <xyus> sudo apt-get install frostwire
[08:07] <Kr4t05> !limewire > xyus
[08:07] <xyus> does not work
[08:08] <DaSkreech> !frostwire > xyus
[08:08] <otaku-san> xyus: I had the same problem...use automatix
[08:08] <gan|y|med> intelikey: well, i have changed the options, now i should be able to mount and write to it as user. but as expected, the mount point does not - yet - exist, as it is created by the automounter (or whatever is doing this). isn't there a kde option?
[08:08] <xyus> yes ok!
[08:08] <xyus> xD
[08:08] <xyus> thanks
[08:08] <xyus> automatix
[08:08] <xyus> ok ok
[08:08] <Kr4t05> xyus: just saying that something doesn't work doesn't help us. Give details.
[08:08] <intelikey> !info frostwire
[08:08] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in any distro I know
[08:08] <otaku-san> xyus: sorry....place was getting hectic
[08:09] <Kr4t05> intelikey: oh, my bad.
[08:09] <Kr4t05> intelikey: There is no frostwire package. ><
[08:09] <xyus> ok..
[08:09] <Kr4t05> Only if you download the .deb from frostwire.com
[08:09] <xyus> and automatix?
[08:10] <Kr4t05> xyus: Do you have java installed yet?
[08:10] <otaku-san> I tried the .deb does not work
[08:10] <intelikey> gan|y|med ask someone that uses X    cli here.
[08:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It's not available by apt-get it's on the Frostwire site they have an ubuntu deb
[08:10] <xyus> I do not know
[08:10] <xyus> how to instal java
[08:10] <otaku-san> Kr4t05: d00d you can have Java totally updated...Frostwire just won't install
[08:11] <Kr4t05> otaku-san: d00d! maybe you're doing something wrong.
[08:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech ^ @ xyus
[08:11] <gan|y|med> ok, does anybody use kde here :) and automount and knows how to change the defaults for automounted file system, perhaps in kde itself (kcontrol or config file)???
[08:11] <xyus> hmm wtf
[08:11] <xyus> what is the command
[08:11] <xyus> to install a .deb file?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> !java > xyus
[08:11] <x4tr1xx> apt-ger install
[08:11] <Kr4t05> I love it how people talk like morons and expect to be taken seriously.
[08:11] <x4tr1xx> for dep file
[08:11] <poningru> gan|y|med: just look in /etc/fstab
[08:11] <DaSkreech> dpkg -i file.deb
[08:12] <otaku-san> Kr4t05: I had the same freakin problem.....I used Automatix....and installed Frostwire with it..
[08:12] <poningru> get rid of automount its teh lame
[08:12] <xyus> thank you
[08:12] <Kr4t05> otaku-san: easyubuntu
[08:12] <Kr4t05> Automatix is a PITA
[08:12] <TheGateKeeper> xyus: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[08:12] <intelikey> xyus sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[08:12] <gan|y|med> well, it is not
[08:12] <gan|y|med> for sb who uses a laptop
[08:13] <xyus> thank  you
[08:13] <gan|y|med> and fstab does not work for anything that is NOT supposed to be static
[08:13] <otaku-san> Kr4t05: It worked tho'...so I used it...oh this is useless...lets talk about something else
[08:14] <xyus> fuck it
[08:14] <xyus> fukcing ubuntu
[08:14] <xyus> nothing works :'(
[08:14] <xyus> I'm gonna switch to windows back again
[08:14] <DaSkreech> !language
[08:14] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:15] <Kr4t05> xyus: It works if you actually try. But, I suppose you'd be better off with Clippy walking you through everything.
[08:15] <xyus> don't I need to specify in what file my frostwire is?
[08:15] <intelikey> gan|y|med actually fstab can work for things that are not supposed to be startic.   as long as you use one line per device/mountpoint    you can add noauto and then just 'mount blah' at will.
[08:15] <otaku-san> xyus: sorry about Frostwire not working...yeah Linux can be a cow when it comes to some things....\
[08:15] <draik> I can't start my sshd
[08:16] <draik> It keeps failing
[08:16] <atidem> hi
[08:16] <x4tr1xx> try sudo sshd
[08:16] <intelikey> gan|y|med i realize that's not eligant danty or fashionable  but it does work.
[08:16] <lupine_85> better, look for error messages
[08:16] <lupine_85> it's probably failing for a reason
[08:16] <draik> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[08:17] <lupine_85>  /etc/init.d/sshd start would be a good start
[08:18] <x4tr1xx> maybe
[08:18] <draik> I type              sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:18] <x4tr1xx> ok
[08:18] <DaSkreech> xyus: If you really that impatient Maybe computers aren't for you?
[08:18] <draik> then I get            * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                        [fail] 
[08:18] <intelikey> as root ^
[08:18] <intelikey> :)
[08:19] <intelikey> draik try   restart
[08:19] <draik> as root? or as sudo?
[08:19] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[08:19] <x4tr1xx> if you havent ubunut you really should start with root :-)
[08:19] <x4tr1xx> login as root
[08:19] <x4tr1xx> and then start
[08:19] <x4tr1xx> or su root
[08:19] <intelikey> draik when you use sudo you run it as root....
[08:19] <draik> restart worked
[08:19] <draik> right
[08:19] <x4tr1xx> yea i know
[08:20] <draik> when you said root, I thought you meant su rather than sudo
[08:20] <draik> but still no        sshd
[08:20] <draik> sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[08:21] <x4tr1xx> ok now i will play little counter strike maybe see you later
[08:21] <lupine_85> the auto init-scripts work fine with my server
[08:21] <intelikey> draik ok then you probably used killall to stop sshd the last time.... that left /etc/init.d/ssh thinking that it as still running.    when killing thing started via init scripts it's generally good practice to kill them with init scripts.
[08:21] <draik> yup
[08:21] <draik> I did killall
[08:22] <ubuntu> Hello! I'm from Malaysia. Today is my first time using  Kubuntu system. Its look cools and not bad. Maybe better than Windows!
[08:22] <lupine_85> ... -9 ? ;)
[08:22] <draik> intelikey, so what do I do to get it back up and running
[08:22] <draik> and what is the proper way to stop with init scripts?
[08:23] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart    <--- does that not work ?
[08:23] <draik> yup
[08:23] <draik> that worked
[08:23] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop    <--- to kill
[08:24] <draik> oh, ok. I know that NOW.
[08:24] <pointwood> hi, anyone used kwlan? I need something that supports WPA
[08:24] <lupine_85> pointwood: which chipset and drivers?
[08:24] <draik> so then to get it back up and running after, I type:        sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:24] <lupine_85> there are two different ways that WPA can be started
[08:25] <draik> but I fail on start
[08:25] <draik> restart gives me an OK     start gives me a FAIL
[08:25] <pointwood> lupine_85: intel something...one moment :)
[08:26] <Izzuddin> Hey ya!
[08:27] <draik> any clues intelikey?
[08:27] <intelikey> draik gennerally init scripts accept any one of    start stop restart     and act accordingly.    some scripts have a shutdown counter part  example  mountall.sh has umountfs   and so forth....
[08:27] <lupine_85> there is a force-reload
[08:27] <lupine_85> that could be interesting/useful
[08:28] <Izzuddin> Now I install and using Edubuntu.
[08:28] <pointwood> lupine_85: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Mini-PCI Express Adapter
[08:28] <lupine_85> just standard wpa_supplicant should be fine then
[08:28] <lupine_85> !WPA
[08:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:29] <draik> If I do     stop     and then   start     again, it gives me the ok, but still no sshd
[08:29] <draik> what is a          re-exec          command?
[08:30] <intelikey> draik clue.   if you stop it via the init script  it's supposed to remove the lockfile  so that you can start it via the init script.       if you don't ever start it via the init script,  you can just kill it.  example without init.   sudo sshd  (starts it)   sudo killall sshd (stops it)
[08:31] <draik> ok
[08:31] <intelikey> re-exec = execute again
[08:31] <draik> so how do I start it?  the script fails. sshd   "re-exec requires execution with an absolute path"
[08:32] <Izzuddin> sudo root password? What is that?
[08:32] <draik> I tried          sudo sshd /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:32] <draik> nothing
[08:32] <draik> except for an error       "re-exec: command not found"
[08:33] <pointwood> thx for the info lupine_85_lalala
[08:33] <intelikey> Izzuddin there is no root password.  it's asking for your user password
[08:33] <draik> !root > Izzuddin
[08:33] <Izzuddin> Is Xubuntu is better than Ubuntu already?
[08:33] <intelikey> " sudo sshd /etc/init.d/ssh start "    bogus command.
[08:33] <Mez> Izzuddin, it all depends on your opinion of xubuntu ;)
[08:34] <digits> can i minimize all windows with the keyboard? like the windows win+m
[08:34] <draik> whoops
[08:34] <Izzuddin> How can I help to promote Ubuntu in Malaysia?
[08:34] <draik> I tried          sudo re-exec /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:34] <intelikey> draik wrong " sudo sshd /etc/init.d/ssh start "   try "sudo sshd"
[08:34] <Mez> Izzuddin, lemme find someone who'll be able to help you
[08:34] <draik> I did
[08:34] <intelikey> " sudo re-exec /etc/init.d/ssh start "  bogus command
[08:35] <draik> sshd   "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path"
[08:35] <draik> I'm trying/typing anything that might work
[08:35] <intelikey> draik wrong " sudo re-exec /etc/init.d/ssh start "   try " sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start "
[08:35] <Izzuddin> Who is that?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> digits: Try Alt+Ctrl=D
[08:35] <draik> intelikey............
[08:36] <draik> I get FAIL
[08:36] <draik> let me do stop and then start......... maybe that will do something
[08:37] <draik> ok...
[08:37] <draik> so   stop gives me OK and then typing start gives me OK
[08:37] <Mez> Izzuddin, still here ?
[08:37] <Izzuddin> Yes...
[08:37] <digits> DaSkreech: oh, thanks :)
[08:38] <draik> intelikey, ok so now I have OK
[08:38] <intelikey> draik looks like you are finnally getting it....  :)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> digits: No Problem
[08:41] <intelikey> draik perhaps who ever said to "re-exec" that should have told you to "$re-exec" that command.   then even if you typed in the $re-exec it would not have caused a problem  :)))
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ubotu: Hi
[08:41] <draik> intelikey, so what do I do now?
[08:42] <intelikey> draik i don't know?  what do you want to do ?
[08:42] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to $chan!
[08:42] <draik> try to sshd again like I did last night (my last night anyway)
[08:43] <intelikey> you have sshd running for a reason i presume......
[08:43] <draik> yup
[08:43] <intelikey> no
[08:43] <draik> no?
[08:43] <Izzuddin> My younger brother likes Edubuntu games hahaha...
[08:43] <intelikey> no you don't sshd
[08:43] <intelikey> you ssh
[08:43] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i would like to have complete access to a mounted fs as user. how is the option in fstab? i have tried several, i can mount, but not write still
[08:43] <draik> oh
[08:43] <intelikey> sshd=secure shell daemon
[08:43] <draik> sorry
[08:43] <draik> I ssh then
[08:44] <intelikey> sshd is the server   ssh is the client
[08:44] <draik> oic
[08:44] <terry_> anybody want to help me install WINE? :)
[08:44] <intelikey> gan|y|med it's fs specific.   assuming vfat umask=0  will suffice
[08:45] <DaSkreech> !wine
[08:45] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:45] <intelikey> terry_ sudo apt-get install wine
[08:45] <gan|y|med> intelikey: reiserfs?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> terry_: There you go :)
[08:45] <Izzuddin> What is WINE?
[08:45] <terry_> gracias
[08:45] <draik> WINE is Wine Is Not an Emulator
[08:46] <intelikey> gan|y|med you have to either chown or chmod the mounted fs    you should man both.
[08:46] <draik> although others have named it WINdows Emulator
[08:46] <draik> lets you run win apps
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Izzuddin: did you read what ubotu just said?
[08:46] <gan|y|med> you mean chmod the dir?
[08:46] <intelikey> wine is a windows apt in linux iirc
[08:46] <Izzuddin> No, sorry...
[08:47] <draik> intelikey
[08:47] <intelikey> s/apt/api
[08:47] <draik> thank you
[08:47] <draik> it works
[08:47] <Izzuddin> Ohh.....
[08:47] <ubuntu> it is possible to rename an user account (with its home folder)
[08:47] <ubuntu> ?
[08:47] <intelikey> of course it works draik, when you get finished playing with the server and connect a client to it    lol
[08:47] <intelikey> :)
[08:47] <draik> :)
[08:48] <gan|y|med> intelikey: everytime i mount the device the permissions are changed back. could this be a udev rule?
[08:48] <intelikey> ubuntu yes it is.   but why not just make a new one ?
[08:48] <Izzuddin> Erm... I want to join Dalnet server but how? I'm using Konversation in Kubuntu Live CD now.
[08:48] <draik> WINE question... do you have to install it on Kubuntu, or can you run it from a HDD if already installed on winxp? (Dualbooting)
[08:49] <intelikey> gan|y|med umount it and chmod the mount point    see if that helps
[08:49] <draik> Izzuddin, go to your server list and add it on there.
[08:49] <ubuntu> intelikey: how do you do that?
[08:49] <intelikey> you can run most things on the hd draik
[08:49] <ironfroggy> can X clients move between servers?
[08:50] <draik> I installed the game on winxp
[08:50] <intelikey> ubuntu  man useradd
[08:50] <draik> can I run it with WINE or do I have to install the game on Kubuntu?
[08:50] <ubuntu> intelikey: ok i'll take a look at this
[08:50] <ironfroggy> or is there a way to get a window to be seen and controlled on a remote server, without sharing the whole desktop?
[08:50] <ubuntu> intelikey: thanks
[08:50] <terry_> do i want libwine or wine?
[08:50] <gan|y|med> intelikey: tried already, always changes back
[08:50] <ironfroggy> draik: you would be better asking in a wine channel
[08:50] <draik> 10-4
[08:51] <intelikey> ubuntu  also note the grups that the master user is in and add them to the new user so your sudo will work for them.
[08:51] <draik> j #wine
[08:51] <draik> whoops
[08:52] <intelikey> gan|y|med udev/devfs should never alter a fs   if you do a sudo chmod 777 blah   on the fs then umount && mount it it should have the permissions you set.   i can't think of anything that would alter that.
[08:54] <intelikey> draik it may be  #wine-hq  or something like that   idk.
[08:54] <draik> people in #wine are not responding and #wine-hq... I'm alone :(
[08:55] <Surger> That adept updater thingy just screwed up my xserver. If I try run an OpenGL app it crashes KDE.  >:-(
[08:55] <Surger> How do I roll back?
[08:55] <draik> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:55] <draik> ^Surger
[08:55] <CyberMad> draik try crossover office
[08:56] <intelikey> gan|y|med there is nothing in mount that could affect that, that i know of  other than the  noexec  option that would prevent execution of binarry files    perms should be strictly reiser's domain.
[08:56] <gan|y|med> intelikey: works now. but i don't understand it
[08:56] <draik> CyberMad, what is that?
[08:56] <gan|y|med> intelikey: yes, and i would like to know where to change reiser perms...
[08:57] <intelikey> with chmod    you write them to the inodes them selves
[08:57] <beck> hello, do you know when the new Version of Azureus would be available in the repos?
[08:57] <Surger> draik: The install went fine - I rebooted - how do I rollback when I can't even remeber the packages it updated?
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> Surger: unfortunately linux does not yet have role-back, you have to do your own backup first
[08:58] <Surger> Is there no way to query the last installed packages by date?
[08:58] <Surger> i.e. Downgrade packages I installed 2 days ago.
[08:58] <intelikey> Surger man aptitude    it might be able.
[08:59] <gan|y|med> intelikey: thanks a lot. do you know where to change the reiser perms so that i can make that permanent for any reiserfs partiton that is portable
[08:59] <aliasfred> a good idea tho... it is not hard to remember the order of installage package and to rollback
[08:59] <aliasfred> but may be looked at a feature bloat
[08:59] <terry_> how do i add a harddrive that has alot of music on it, that was previously on a windows computer?
[08:59] <aliasfred> Surger: what doyou wanna do that ? i mean what is your purpose ?
[09:00] <aliasfred> what=why
[09:00] <intelikey> gan|y|med again i'm telling you.  it's not about mount.  the perms are on the fs it's self.   you would have to chmod blah blah everything you mount
[09:00] <aliasfred> terry_: you mount :) aka you plug it and declare it to linux
[09:00] <Surger> aliasfred: adept installed an xserver update which breaks OpenGL. I can't remember the package name but I have a broken system now.
[09:00] <terry_> yeah.. i'm trying to figure it out
[09:00] <gan|y|med> so there is nothing central and reiserfs specific (not mount) to change that?
[09:01] <terry_> so i click type, and call it NTFS
[09:01] <terry_> but where should the mount point be?
[09:01] <intelikey> gan|y|med  NO !
[09:01] <aliasfred> Surger: ah ok. it is only opengl ? x works fine ?
[09:01] <gan|y|med> intelikey: sorry, just wanted to make sure
[09:01] <Surger> x works perfectly
[09:01] <aliasfred> Surger: but i see the usefullness of rollback now
[09:02] <intelikey> gan|y|med np.  and you're welcome.
[09:02] <Surger> aliasfred: But when I try run an OpenGL app or even glxinfo - it core dumps
[09:02] <aliasfred> Surger: ok was just wondering if it was the bug hickup with xorg upgrade of last week
[09:02] <gan|y|med> thx. ciao
[09:02] <Surger> Xorg just restarts
[09:02] <aliasfred> Surger: yep, sorry i dunno the solution
[09:03] <Surger> aliasfred: Reinstall :p
[09:03] <Surger> I'd rather go back to Windows XP than have to reinstall.
[09:04] <intelikey> Surger you might get lucky and there be an update to fix it.... if it's a know issue they have probably been working on it.     sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:04] <aliasfred> Surger: i understand. personnaly i dont do upgrade except when necessary. exactly to avoid this kind of issue
[09:05] <Surger> aliasfred: Yeah me too but this new adept updater thing in the task bar looked like something that may work. :)
[09:05] <intelikey> aliasfred yes.  but once in the middle of it.  backing up beeing harder than going forword....
[09:05] <terry_> Umm, Amarok just said it couldn't intialize any audio drivers, and yesterday it did. and i haven't changed anything except for installing WINE today.
[09:05] <aliasfred> in fact i still run fc4 as 'production env' for a 1year even if it has been clear for 6month that my next install will be kubuntu  :)
[09:06] <aliasfred> Surger: cool then :)
[09:06] <aliasfred> intelikey: ok
[09:06] <Surger> aliasfred: No not cool - I'll never use it again.
[09:06] <kermit> I installed kubuntu  6.0.6 using a different monitor, now I have the right monitor connected and I have 640x480 and cannot change it, any hints?
[09:06] <aliasfred> Surger: not use what ?
[09:07] <Surger> That adept updater taskbar app that runs by default in Dapper
[09:07] <aliasfred> Surger: oh i get it :)
[09:07] <intelikey> kermit sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg        read and answer all questions.
[09:07] <intelikey> if you need help ask.
[09:08] <aliasfred> Surger: yep, i understand. but yes you have to be very carefull in updating software.
[09:08] <Surger> So where do I start hunting for the answer? Xorg bug lists?
[09:09] <aliasfred> Surger: wow. it is likely better to handle this with package
[09:09] <aliasfred> Surger: it may very well not be a xorg bug
[09:09] <aliasfred> your previous approach of downgrading package seems the good one
[09:09] <terry_> Ok, each time I mount my harddrive, the place i mount it to automatically gets locked from me. I can't enter the folder once I mount.
[09:10] <intelikey> Surger sudo apt-get dist-upgrade      it's worth a try.
[09:10] <intelikey> Surger like i said earlier they may have alreadt fixed it.
[09:10] <intelikey> already
[09:10] <aliasfred> Surger: about the broken package update, thing will get better when all ubuntu will have a stable version. around november from memory
[09:11] <intelikey> terry_ what fs ?
[09:11] <terry_> NTFS
[09:11] <kermit> intelikey: ok.. I can do that.. but why do I find resolution/video card listed in System Settings -> Hardware -> Display and I can use administrator mode but not change resolution?
[09:11] <terry_> like i said, i pulled it out of a windows computer so i could play music on my new kubuntu box.
[09:12] <Surger> intelikey: 0 packages to update :)
[09:13] <intelikey> you need some options added to the mount command   umask=0  would work  but it's not called safe.   @ terry_
[09:13] <intelikey> Surger then not today i guess....    didn't hurt to check tho.
[09:13] <terry_> not... safe?
[09:14] <intelikey> terry_ umask=0 gives world read/write/execute access to the drive.
[09:14] <terry_> good. :)
[09:14] <terry_> works perfectly.
[09:14] <intelikey> terry_ man mount   if you want details.
[09:16] <intelikey> for M$ file systems the options that you should look at are   " uid  gid  umask fmask dmask "
[09:16] <intelikey> and the general options  " user users "
[09:16] <terry_> and now i run into mp3s...
[09:16] <intelikey> !mp3
[09:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:16] <intelikey> !ntfs
[09:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:17] <Surger> Aha ... I looked at the last modified value for the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info and it's the xserver-xorg-core update that is the package that broke it.
[09:18] <Surger> But I've seen this complaint on Google as well - there is no way to query the installed date for a package.
[09:19] <intelikey> you can check your version
[09:19] <intelikey> xserver-xorg-core_1%3a1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
[09:20] <intelikey> that one seems to work here....   i started X  and made sure.
[09:20] <terry_> deb-src for repositories means the source code right?
[09:20] <intelikey> terry_ correct
[09:21] <terry_> ty :)
[09:21] <intelikey> np :)
[09:21] <terry_> if you haven't noticed, i'm allll new to kubuntu, and now i'm on the quest for playing mp3s on amarok :)
[09:21] <Surger> Hmmm ... it seems that the xorg core stuff installs it's own glx libs - that probably is the reason it breaks glx apps. Let me go and reinstall the opengl drivers.
[09:22] <intelikey> terry_ yeah after seeing that same thing about 40000 times it's pretty noticable.... :)
[09:23] <terry_> :-/
[09:23] <grothesk> terry_:
[09:23] <grothesk> !mp3
[09:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:23] <intelikey> we just did that ^  :)
[09:23] <terry_> yeah, i'm working on it.
[09:24] <intelikey> !vlc > terry_
[09:24] <intelikey> just something else to think about.
[09:25] <terry_> hmm.
[09:25] <terry_> on other question, i think i downloaded a media play for GNOME
[09:25] <terry_> so does that mean i'm going to have to run gnome, then the media player?
[09:25] <intelikey> nope
[09:25] <terry_> or is that even possible on kubuntu?
[09:26] <intelikey> it's possable  but not needed
[09:26] <intelikey> just run the app you want to run....
[09:27] <intelikey> anything built for specific env will initiate the portion of that env it needs.
[09:27] <terry_> cooool.
[09:27] <intelikey> assuming it's not buggy or lame....
[09:28] <intelikey> most thing in the repos are not buggy or lame....  but you never know.   even M$ windows can have a bug     right ?
[09:28] <terry_> :)
[09:28] <terry_> i laughed when the first time i booted KDE i already froze it up.
[09:28] <terry_> i was playing with the OpenGL screen savers, and it didn't like it.
[09:29] <intelikey> it can happen....  there is 'NO' real quality control on opensource  the distro dev's are the full extent of qc
[09:30] <intelikey> and they don't write much of the distro.  usually just the installer and a few distro specific configs.
[09:31] <terry_> :-/ you get what you pay for.
[09:31] <terry_> (hah)
[09:31] <terry_> although in that case microsoft should pay us to use their OS.
[09:31] <intelikey> in a sense.   and i like freedom  :)
[09:31] <intelikey> lol @ the M$ pun     agree
[09:32] <draik> actually, I remember getting a letter in the mail about sueing m$
[09:32] <draik> They would pay you for having used their products
[09:33] <draik> something about "we're sorry for the buggy software" or some such thing
[09:33] <intelikey> they didn't pay me... and their products didn't get used....   so i guess they got what they paid for.... :)
[09:33] <draik> I used their products
[09:33] <draik> but I never paid for them
[09:33] <terry_> :)
[09:34] <terry_> only thing that will keep me coming back is for gaming.
[09:34] <terry_> wine i think is a bit out of my league for right now.
[09:34] <terry_> but i did get the mp3s working. :)
[09:34] <intelikey> even though i can sympthize with the attatude draik i can't condone the pratice.
[09:34] <draik> I'm gonna go out and buy a Y-connector for my PSU so that I can install a 3rd HDD
[09:35] <draik> what are you talking about intelikey, I never paid for them because they were given out at my University... never paid for them... :p
[09:35] <intelikey> third hdd ???     hmmm this box has 8 drives in it.
[09:35] <terry_> ok, heres a question. how do i install M-Audio Revolution 7.1 soundcard drivers if i know M-Audio doesn't support linux?
[09:36] <draik> I have two 250GB HDD, and I will install an 80GB HDD once I get that connector
[09:36] <terry_> ok i take back that question. kind of.
[09:36] <intelikey> terry_ you install a real sound card.
[09:36] <draik> it's past 12pm here, time to get my day started
[09:37] <draik> TTYL
[09:37] <draik> HAND
[09:37] <intelikey> shalom Draik
[09:37] <terry_> intelikey: what were you implying >:|
[09:37] <intelikey> implying ?      hmmmm  would i do that ???
[09:38] <terry_> stopppiiit >_<
[09:38] <intelikey> let me just say it plainly,  any hardware that doesn't support opensource is not worth using.
[09:39] <intelikey> there i've said it.
[09:39] <kermit> hmm.. K -> Add/Remove programs -> select Firefox and I get a complaint that it would break something and does not install, please help?
[09:39] <terry_> oh. well opensound.com made drivers for it
[09:39] <aliasfred> intelikey: you forgot 'in my opinion' at the end ? :)
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> kermit, sudo apt-get remove firefox?
[09:40] <intelikey> aliasfred you can read that in if you choose, but that will be your opinion wont it :)
[09:40] <aliasfred> :)
[09:42] <intelikey> well i'm gonna scram for a bit    or  byte or  maybe an  'ate bit bite'   :)
[09:43] <terry_> ...wow.
[09:43] <kermit> Admiral_Chicago: "Package firefox is not installed, so not removed" now what?
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> are you trying to install it or what?
[09:43] <kermit> I installed the same dvd install of kubuntu a few days ago and had no problems adding firefox to that machine
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> so you can't install firefox because something might break?
[09:44] <kermit> I would like to install firefox but adept says it will break something? does not say what it will break
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> did you try command line?
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm off to a movie. try checking command line
[09:45] <kermit> Admiral_Chicago: aha.. thanks.. apt-get install firefox shows libatk and libgtk not installed, but I had no issue installing firefox on the previouus machine only days ago.. hmm
[09:46] <claus_> What is the terminal command to identify the graphics card i have on my computer?
[09:47] <mister_unknown> lspci | grep -i vga
[09:48] <terry__> how do i stop kubuntu from "resuming session"
[09:49] <terry__> like every time i boot up it re-installs some package.
[09:49] <mister_unknown> @terry: try the following commands
[09:49] <mister_unknown> apt-get -f install
[09:49] <kermit> I cannot find kruler or something like it and gimp does not have gimp-Perl installable??
[09:49] <mister_unknown> apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:50] <terry__> ok.
[09:51] <bsm> hm, is it a feature of amarok that it starts playing automatically again after I stop it when I click somewhere?
[09:53] <kermit> hmm.. I cannot seem to install ANYTHING..
[09:54] <kermit> I have kubuntu 6.0.6 up and running.. but adept complains about everthing I try to install
[09:54] <javi_> hi
[09:54] <terry__> whats it say?
[09:54] <javi_> does some body have a Pentium D?
[09:54] <whatever> kermit: screw adept, try "aptitude install synaptic", then run stnaptic for a gui install
[09:55] <terry__> whatever: how do you install synaptic?
[09:55] <terry__> i take that back
[09:55] <whatever> aptitude install synaptic !!
[09:55] <terry__> dumb question
[09:55] <terry__> :)
[09:55] <whatever> from the terminal
[09:55] <terry__> sorry i have brain farts.
[09:57] <whatever> ok how do I totally 'uninstall' network card ad its settings?
[09:58] <kermit> whatever: ok.. aptitude install synaptic says "done" but I cannot get it to run, command not found
[09:58] <whatever> to begin from scratch, as I have screwed my network settings
[09:58] <kermit> tried sudo synaptic
[09:58] <whatever> kermit: try from the run command
[09:58] <whatever> alt+f2
[10:00] <whatever> !network
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <whatever> !http
[10:01] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK), Opera (Qt), Konqueror (KDE/Qt), Links (terminal-based). HTTP servers: apache2
[10:01] <kermit> whatever: no work. my run command dialog goes away but  no app runs
[10:02] <whatever> are you sure you installed it correctly? did it downlaod something before installing?
[10:02] <kermit> whatever: if I do run in terminal for sudo synaptic  and get a terminal and type password.. nothing happens
[10:03] <andreas_> Hallo Leute
[10:03] <andreas_> Brauche Hilfe
[10:03] <andreas_> ist jemand da?
[10:03] <mister_unknown> leg los
[10:04] <andreas_> Habe Probs mit meinen Laufwerken
[10:04] <andreas_> Kann unter Kubuntu nicht auswerfen wenn ich auf dem Laufwerk den Knopf drcke
[10:04] <andreas_> liegt das an den Einstellungen?
[10:05] <kermit> whatever: CORRECTION .. I get command not found
[10:06] <andreas_> mister_unkown, kannst du helfen?
[10:06] <mister_unknown> dann ist es noch gemountet
[10:07] <mister_unknown> versuch ma, beim Desktopsymbol "auswerfen" anzuklicken (rechte Maustaste)
[10:07] <andreas_> ok. Damit kann ich leben
[10:07] <andreas_> Habe aber noch ein Prob
[10:07] <andreas_> mit K3B
[10:08] <andreas_> Wenn ich Mit dem brenner auslese, und mit dem gleichen Brenner auch brennen will, dann bricht er nach dem auslesen ab
[10:08] <plhardy__> ich wisse nicht dass es war ein deutsche platzt hier
[10:08] <andreas_> schreibt mir laufwerk konnte nicht ausgeworfen werden
[10:09] <mister_unknown> @plhardy: pardon!
[10:10] <terry_> call me crazy, but i can't find where WINE installs itself.
[10:10] <mister_unknown> andreas: hast Du ein Laufwerk im Laptop, oder einen Tower?
[10:11] <plhardy__> terry_:in some glass...
[10:11] <kermit> how do I update package sources?
[10:11] <terry_> that helps. :)
[10:11] <gnomefreak> !de
[10:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:11] <gnomefreak> kermit: sudo apt-get update
[10:11] <plhardy__> fuer ? feuer !
[10:11] <andreas_> mister_unkown Desktop PC
[10:12] <kermit> gnomefreak: I'm getting "unavailable" for some dependencies.. so I'm hoping to fix this
[10:12] <gnomefreak> kermit: can you please paste the command and errors to pastebin
[10:12] <plhardy__> terry_: if you are looking for wine configuration it can be around a ~/.wine ?
[10:12] <terry_> i'm just trying to run the thing.
[10:13] <gnomefreak> !wine
[10:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:13] <plhardy__> terry_: wine truc.exe ...
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ^^^ tells you how to run the config for wine
[10:13] <terry_> gracias
[10:13] <terry_> lets see where this goes.
[10:14] <DaSkreech> !de
[10:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:14] <plhardy__> !help
[10:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:15] <kermit> gnomefreak: K -> System -> Adept, supply password, search "gimp" select install and it says "BREAK install"  not much to pastbin
[10:16] <gnomefreak> kermit: type sudo apt-get install gimp
[10:16] <gnomefreak> kermit: in terminal
[10:16] <gnomefreak> paste the output to pastebin please
[10:17] <juho> hello
[10:18] <kermit> gnomefreak: that produces dependency failures for libatk and libgtk
[10:19] <gnomefreak> kermit: i need the full error and yes im not suprised as its a gtk app. but i need the output please
[10:19] <kermit> gnomefreak: I also did Adept -> Manage Repositories and added a few more.. still no good results
[10:19] <gnomefreak> if you are using unofficial repos comment them out
[10:21] <gnomefreak> kermit: including any xgl/compiz repos
[10:22] <kermit> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21907
[10:24] <gnomefreak> kermit: what happens why you type sudo apt-get -f install
[10:25] <gnomefreak> !info libgtk2
[10:25] <ubotu> Package libgtk2 does not exist in any distro I know
[10:25] <gnomefreak> !info libgtk2.0
[10:25] <larson9999> anyone here use the vlc flugin for firerox for watching video?
[10:25] <ubotu> Package libgtk2.0 does not exist in any distro I know
[10:27] <birdfish> I was wondering if anyone knew how to get a graphical desktop on a server install?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> kermit: are you sure you dont have any non-official repos in your sources.list file?
[10:27] <larson9999> !libgtk2.0-0
[10:27] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.20-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2037 kB, installed size 4520 kB
[10:27] <gnomefreak> birdfish: kde?
[10:27] <notech> !info libgtk+2.0
[10:27] <ubotu> Package libgtk2.0 does not exist in any distro I know
[10:27] <gnomefreak> larson9999: already got it ty
[10:27] <gnomefreak> !info libgtk2.0-0
[10:27] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.20-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2037 kB, installed size 4520 kB
[10:27] <birdfish> gnomefreak: can be kde or gnome.  I would prefer gnome, but just need a gui to help me while learning to set up the server the first couple of times
[10:28] <notech> interesting
[10:28] <gnomefreak> birdfish: for kde sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop for gnome sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <gnomefreak> birdfish: for xfce sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ;)
[10:28] <kermit> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21908
[10:28] <birdfish> But that installs all of the end-user apps and for a server I'd much rather not have all of the extra baggage
[10:29] <birdfish> Someone in the ubuntu mentioned a set of core files that would install just the core desktop, but it seems that in 6.06 it has been deprecated?
[10:29] <gnomefreak> kermit: paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list please to pastebin
[10:29] <gnomefreak> while your doing that ill brb
[10:30] <oslo> anyone use quark xpress or scribus on this chan ?
[10:30] <kermit> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21909
[10:32] <kermit> gnomefreak: I really appreciate your help.. I've been useing Mandrake since v. 7.0  and like what I see in kubuntu, the first machine I installed a few days ago did not have these problems installing extra software
[10:32] <oslo> @find wine
[10:32] <oslo> sorry
[10:32] <larson9999> hmmm, i cancel service with charte about a year ago.  i moved the computer and didn't remove charter off thunderbird.  i still get email on that account.
[10:33] <birdfish> Ah, nevermind, it's just been too long sinve I've used a debian based distro.  I forgot to update apt after enabling the repositories
[10:33] <birdfish> =)
[10:33] <ndl> i can see both of my HDs listed on the POST (the Bios thing), however, the Master HD -- where i had WinXP installed -- cannot be seen from within Bart-PE or Konqueror... it's failing to boot. has my HD died??
[10:33] <terry_> how do i get my clock off of military time??
[10:34] <kermit> should speedcrunch have number buttons? I was hoping it was a calulator
[10:34] <larson9999> terry_: it's easier to just join the army
[10:35] <gnomefreak> kermit: can you run apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0  and let me know what version is installed and what the candidate version is
[10:35] <kermit> terry_: right-click the clock -> Date & Time Format
[10:36] <kermit> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21910
[10:37] <kermit> gnomefreak: I'm thnking my sources are messed up
[10:37] <gnomefreak> i dont
[10:37] <gnomefreak> kermit: give me a minute im gonna see something
[10:38] <ndl> any suggestions about how to verify if my HD is dead? the fact that Konqueror cant see of the HD's partitions freaks me out....
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ndl: are you using that hd atm?
[10:38] <ndl> right now i'm typing from another PC
[10:39] <gnomefreak> kermit: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 libaa1 libatk1.0-0 libgimp2.0
[10:39] <gnomefreak> kermit: pastebin any output if it doesnt work
[10:39] <ndl> the problematic machine has 2 HD: Maxtor and WD. the Maxtor drive was the master but cant be seen from BartPE or Konqueror.... when i go into the BIOS the HD is still listed there though....
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ndl: try mounting them?
[10:40] <ndl> all partitions from the second HD (WesternDigital) can be see and ccessed no prob....
[10:41] <gnomefreak> ndl: id kubuntu on first or second drive>/
[10:41] <gnomefreak> ?
[10:41] <ndl> haven tried. i thought they mounted automatically.... how to do it?
[10:42] <ndl> the kubuntu running from a Live CD
[10:42] <gnomefreak> ndl: you havent installed it yet?
[10:43] <ndl> no. that machine was a Win machine. this machine where i am is a Win-Kubuntu one.
[10:43] <mister_unknown> ndl: try  dmesg|grep 'hd.*' to see what hdds have been recognize
[10:44] <gnomefreak> kermit: are they installing?
[10:44] <ndl> i tried to check the HD on the other machine using BartPE and the Kubuntu CD to verify what was going on on the HD....since it's not booting anymore. but Konq doesnt see the HD...
[10:45] <ndl> mister: i'll try that.
[10:48] <ndl> mister: it does show the Maxtor drive as hda....
[10:49] <Iam8up|lpy> can anyone help me here? i used the adept manger to install kde-theme, and it locked up the machine at 58%
[10:49] <ndl> does that mean the drive is still functional or that info is gotten from the BIOS?  the BIOS does list the drive...
[10:50] <Iam8up|lpy> now every time i boot into kde, i login and get nothing more then a terminal in the corner but i do see a colored desktop
[10:50] <Iam8up|lpy> is there some sort of apt-get repair or rebuild thing?
[10:50] <kermit> gnomefreak: Package libaa1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:50] <gnomefreak> kermit: is that the only issue?
[10:51] <mister_unknown> the hdd is recognized by the kernel. what partitions on it?
[10:51] <ndl> what you mean?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> kermit: skip it if everything else installs
[10:51] <ndl> how many?
[10:51] <mister_unknown> do you see a line like "hda: hda1 hda2 ...."
[10:51] <kermit> gnomefreak: you mean is the only issue that I cannot add software? I think yes installed software seems to work fine unless speedcrunch is supposed to have buttons but is not displaying them. I have found no other problems
[10:52] <ndl> i have about 4 on it...cant rem exactly. the main boot partition of the PC was on it.
[10:52] <kermit> gnomefreak: nothing I try to install will install
[10:52] <gnomefreak> kermit: i dont know speedcrunch i have never used it
[10:52] <kermit> gnomefreak: gimme a trivial package to test install
[10:52] <gnomefreak> kermit: did you install the packages i gave you?
[10:53] <mister_unknown> ndl: have you tried to mount hda1 ?
[10:53] <kermit> they did not install,, they complained that libaa1 was not available for install or is missing
[10:53] <gnomefreak> kermit: kermit installing ubuntu-desktop will bring in gimp but wait on that
[10:53] <gnomefreak> kermit: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libgimp2.0
[10:54] <kermit> gnomefreak: E: Package libatk1.0-0 has no installation candidate
[10:54] <gnomefreak> kermit: sudo apt-get update
[10:54] <gnomefreak> kermit: let me know when its doen
[10:54] <gnomefreak> done
[10:55] <ndl> mister: for this HD (hda) i have lines mentioning:
[10:55] <kermit> apt-get update is installing stuff
[10:55] <ndl> - the cilinders and sectors
[10:55] <ndl> - the name of teh drive
[10:55] <ndl> - the DMA mode that is set
[10:55] <ndl> - and a scary line saying "unknown partition table"
[10:55] <gnomefreak> kermit: let it finish and let me know if you can install gimp than
[10:55] <ndl> mister: how to mount it? i didnt try mounting coz i thought mounting was and automaticatic process....
[10:56] <Hemerson> what make for get firefox for apt-get?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Hemerson: huh
[10:56] <Iam8up|lpy> heras - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Hemerson: sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:56] <gnomefreak> but make sure you have universe enabled
[10:56] <kermit> gnomefreak: its installing
[10:56] <Iam8up|lpy> Hemerson - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:56] <gnomefreak> i think its in uni
[10:56] <gnomefreak> kermit: good
[10:57] <gnomefreak> i lied its in main
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any program that shows the isntalled packages sizes
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> and faster than kapckage?
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[10:58] <mister_unknown> ndl: mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt  can do it...
[10:59] <rumix> there is an apt-kio-slave
[10:59] <rumix> alt-f2
[10:59] <rumix> 'konqueror apt:/'
[10:59] <ndl> mister: the fact that hdd (the second HD) ins shown by that command without the "unknown partition table" line is a bad sign, right?
[11:00] <kermit> gnomefreak: wonder how my repositories got hosed?  hmm
[11:00] <mister_unknown> without?
[11:01] <ndl> all the info available for the main drive has an equivalent to the second HD, but the "unknown partition table" line appears as " hdd1, hdd2, hdd3" for the second HD :(
[11:01] <gnomefreak> they didnt they just werent updated after you changed something
[11:02] <kermit> gnomefreak: ok.. I'm also looking for an app called kruler, I think it is part of kde-addons or the like in Manriva, but cannot seem to locate it with apt on Kubuntu
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. my dvd drive had a hard time reading this disk... tried it in another pc.. andit read it fine.. now the first pc is reading it fine..
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> perhaps dust in the drive?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> kermit: apt-cache search kruler
[11:03] <Iam8up|lpy> can anyone tell me how start the recovery installer for kubuntu?
[11:04] <kermit> gnomefreak: n/m it is on the search list in adept now that my sources are good.. thank you again
[11:05] <ndl> mister: explaining.... for both the main HD (hda) and the second HD (hdd) dmesg|grep returned:
[11:05] <ndl> - a line saying the cilinders and sectors info
[11:05] <ndl> - a line saying the name of the HD
[11:05] <ndl> - a line saying the DMA mode that is set for the drive
[11:05] <ndl> however, for hda i get this line:
[11:05] <ndl> - unknown partition table
[11:05] <ndl> that for hdd is shown as
[11:05] <ndl> - hdd1, hdd2, hdd3
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> recovery installer ?
[11:06] <mister_unknown> maybe your hda is byteswapped, but i dont know how to fix it on a win-hdd. sorry.
[11:07] <mister_unknown> if you are a little familiar with fdisk, try to use it to print out the partition table. maybe you get some more info
[11:07] <ndl> the machine was working kinda strange.... when i rebooted, the nightmare started
[11:08] <kermit> gnomefreak: haha.. and AHA!  I thought my screen looked small, it was 1280x1024 when I had selected 1024x768 Kruler is what I was looking for
[11:08] <ndl> i was planning to re-install Winblows, but since i cant even see the HD, i cant do it....
[11:14] <NossCire> I've been trying all guides for ubuntu/kubuntu, but I cant set my screen res. right. Of some reason only 640*480 and 800*600 shows up in the list. I'm running an intel comp (oldie) with graphics in that chip. Any ideas? I've tried everything!
[11:18] <ubuntu> Hi All
[11:18] <NossCire> Nevermind that question... Just figured it out myself.. I'm an idiot :)
[11:19] <NossCire> Anyway, I have another question, wich is why i came here. If i'm currently running Ubuntu, but want to switch to kubuntu (with the kubuntu desktop and everything), is that possible? I've already installed KDE
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> and ya got both
[11:20] <NossCire> I know, but everything still looks like Ubuntu...
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> NossCire: you have to log into kde not gnome
[11:20] <NossCire> I want the looks of kubuntu, with the menus asf
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> looks?
[11:21] <NossCire> Been there, done that.. I get the Kubuntu login screen, but then everything looks just like ubuntu again
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> you are being vague bout 'looks'
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> You did select KDE from the little Menu on the Login screen?
[11:22] <NossCire> I mean the windowslike enviorment, with the taskbar in the bottom, a "start" botton and that kind of things..
[11:22] <NossCire> I think so...
[11:22] <kyaneos> hello
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> or somthing is really confused.
[11:22] <NossCire> Well, guess i'll just have to check that then :)
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> right click on the panel and see what the help/about stuff says. :P
[11:23] <kyaneos> i have a problem with the lastest version of kubuntu. KDE (or de x server) goes very very slow when it wants, so it gets unuseful
[11:23] <kyaneos> can somebody help me please?
[11:24] <kermit> ok.. firefox is installed.. how do I get it to update?
[11:24] <rumix> kyaneos: what do you mean with slow?
[11:24] <kermit> kyaneos: I have not had this happen, it works well for me
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> kermit,  ubuntu does not update things constantly like some other disrtos do..  they focus on security updates.
[11:25] <kyaneos> rumix: mouse pointer moves, but only that
[11:25] <kyaneos> thanx kermit
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> apt-get update/upgrade and it should be as up to date as its going to get.
[11:25] <rumix> strange
[11:26] <kyaneos> rumix: i does not explain it in english
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> that dont even sound like a DMA/Hard drive issue...
[11:26] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: i turned hdparm off
[11:27] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: can i do something more about that?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> if you disabled dma with hdparm, that can be causing issues
[11:27] <kermit> Dr_Willis: ok.. I have been using the Firefox -> Help -> check for updates and it is gray-out on kubuntu
[11:27] <kyaneos> i am dist-upgrading to the lastest dapper packages version
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> kermit,  if you just MUST have the latest firefox.  you could use that  'klik' web site and download it  for a specfic user.
[11:28] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: now i did /etc/init.d/hdparm stop
[11:28] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: is it enough?
[11:29] <kermit> Dr_Willis: nope.. not a must have, just new to kubuntu
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> kyaneos,  Why  would you even disable hdparm?
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> kermit,  yea a 'user' updateing things 'system wide' could be considered a security flaw. :P
[11:29] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: because i do not know how to configure it, and do not know if my HDs support dma
[11:29] <kyaneos> or udma
[11:29] <inteliwasp> why is it every time my wireless card is inserted dmesg says wlan0: link not ready ?
[11:30] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: i am now trying to configure it
[11:30] <kermit> later all and thanks for all the help
[11:32] <inteliwasp> is anyone able to answer my question?
[11:32] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: do i need enable the ROOTFS option?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> kyaneos,  if your hds are so old they dont support dma..  well.. then they are real old. :P
[11:33] <kyaneos> xD
[11:33] <Hemerson> what my list source-list all comment?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> where did ya even hear about disabling/enmabling the dma?
[11:33] <kyaneos> three or four years
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> start the hdparm stuff and see what defaults it sets up
[11:33] <Mehercle> is there a command to launch the default browser?
[11:33] <larson9999> hmmm reactos .3.0 finally made it
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> sensible-browser
[11:34] <Mehercle> default KDE browser
[11:35] <kermit> gnomefreak: you mentioned kubuntu-desktop where do I find info on this?
[11:35] <inteliwasp> i thought dapper auomayicly(sp?) enabled dma?
[11:36] <kyaneos> Dr_Willis: how can it disable dma out of the config file?
[11:36] <Mehercle> is there a command to launch the KDE default browser?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> hdparm has  several config files that are commented. Ive not had to ever touch them much on my systems
[11:39] <ravenous> i have to disable dma on my cd drive or it wont boot ubuntu at all, i just run the ide=nodma flag for the kernel
[11:43] <inteliwasp> ravenous:  use this website, yes its for enableing but you can change the values  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[11:44] <ravenous> im well aware, thanks though
[11:48] <kyaneos> how can i disable the partition cheking at boot?
[11:48] <kermit> gnomefreak: n/m found it googling
[11:48] <kermit> later all
[11:49] <djguerra> hola
[11:49] <djguerra> hello
[11:49] <djguerra> hallo
[11:50] <djguerra> konnichiha
[11:50] <Ash-Fox> !jp
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <Ash-Fox> ubotu, you have failed me :(
[11:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you have failed me :( - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:50] <Martijn81> lol, looks like qemu with edgy is going to succeed with only 256MB ram :D
[11:51] <Kr4t05> !screenkast
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenkast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <Kr4t05> Bah
[11:51] <Kr4t05> Has anyone had any luck with screenkast?
[11:51] <Martijn81> Kr4t05: there are some packages on the site of screenkast
[11:51] <crrj> but Martijn81, you'll never need more than 640 k! ;D
[11:51] <Kr4t05> Martijn81: 4 realz. Cool.
[11:52] <inteliwasp> how do i disable a net device from looking for ipv6?
[11:52] <djguerra> there're some person who can help me with kubunto
[11:52] <djguerra> I'm new using this OS
[11:52] <aliasfred> !ask
[11:52] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> and? :P
[11:52] <Martijn81> Kr4t05: you'll also need vnc server, though on xgl it gave me troubles (but that could be just me)
[11:53] <rumix> inteliwasp: create a new file called /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list
[11:53] <Kr4t05> Martijn81: Eff, I'm on XGL...
[11:53] <Kr4t05> Martijn81: I wanted to capture my own Compiz demo vid. ><
[11:53] <rumix> and insert 'alias net-pf-10 off'
[11:53] <rumix> save and reboot
[11:53] <T_Servo> I have a question with the install.. it never propts for setting an admin password.. is there a default one that is set or something?
[11:54] <aliasfred> hehe how to disable ipv6 on linux ? well simple simply put 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list :) :) how obvious is this :) :)
[11:54] <aliasfred> we still have progress to make :)
[11:54] <rumix> ehem...
[11:54] <Martijn81> Kr4t05: hmm, not sure, i only got it view the vnc session once here, and packing the capture was a problem too...
[11:54] <inteliwasp> *newb
[11:55] <Kr4t05> Martijn81: Why would I need vnc?
[11:55] <notech> T_Servo: you have to create a root password after install if you want one
[11:55] <inteliwasp> rumix: btw,how do i add a command during activation of a wireless card?
[11:55] <slougi> T_Servo: there is no admin password by default, rather sudo is used. You can set a root password by runnin "sudo passwd"
[11:55] <inteliwasp> rumix: btw,how do i add a command during activation of a wireless card?
[11:55] <Martijn81> Kr4t05: that's how screenkast records, in another session
[11:56] <slougi> running even. we be runnin in da getto YO!
[11:56] <T_Servo> ahh, ok then
[11:56] <rumix> ehm... dunno
[11:56] <rumix> sry..
[11:56] <Kr4t05> Bah....
[11:56] <inteliwasp> 0_0  wow another screen name like mine!
[11:56] <Kr4t05> Martijn81: Ok... Nevermind.
[11:56] <Hawkwind_Lappy> T_Servo:  Ubuntu uses sudo by default.  To setup a regular root account, type: sudo passwd
[11:56] <archangel_> shalom machachoes
[11:56] <slougi> notech: you can add one to /etc/network/interfaces, using the pre-up directive
[11:56] <T_Servo> ok
[11:56] <intelikey> running xfwm hoses my display ?
[11:57] <rumix> cya guys
[11:57] <slougi> intelikey: define "hoses my display"
[11:57] <T_Servo> was wondering because when I go to use something that wanted "root user" it keps saying password incorrect
[11:57] <intelikey> archangel_ :)
[11:57] <notech> slougi: try again, i never asked anything. heh
[11:57] <inteliwasp> brb!
[11:57] <archangel_> intelikey: whats up man
[11:57] <slougi> notech: whoops
[11:57] <notech> :)
[11:57] <intelikey> slougi how much definition does it need.    bsod  not a lit pixel for ever.
[11:57] <slougi> ah well he left
[11:58] <T_Servo> ok.. just to finish this install then try to get gcc and make to be nice
[11:58] <archangel_> intelikey: hey man I might need some help
[11:58] <intelikey> archangel_ just the xfwm4 ussue
[11:58] <archangel_> sweet
[11:58] <slougi> intelikey: well "hose" can mean anything from random graphics corruption to launching a rocket to the moon with your monitor as payload :)
[11:58] <T_Servo> vmwarer server makes this so much less painfull
[11:58] <intelikey> slougi the latter
[11:59] <slougi> intelikey: basically your display just goes black?
[11:59] <intelikey> not basiclly, totally.
[11:59] <Hawkwind_Lappy> Anyone know of a list of scripts that can be used with konversation ?
[12:00] <slougi> weird, can you still switch to a terminal? (ie ctrl-alt-f1) do other window managers do this?
[12:00] <intelikey> slougi no. i repete 'not a lit pixel, for ever'
[12:00] <intelikey> reboot is only fix.
[12:00] <slougi> right, wow.
[12:00] <T_Servo> I take it none of the development tools are on the 6.06.1 CD?
[12:00] <slougi> do you have composite enabled? what graphics card?
[12:01] <archangel_> need some help with my display, my pc was cut offbrb, dinner time
[12:01] <slougi> T_Servo: what development tools?
[12:01] <intelikey> slougi no composite native nv
[12:02] <slougi> intelikey: hmm, can't think of anything of the top of my head.
[12:02] <intelikey> ok.
[12:02] <slougi> intelikey: you don't happen to have another computer for debugging?
[12:02] <intelikey> no.
[12:03] <intelikey> slougi i could let you ssh in
[12:03] <slougi> intelikey: right, what graphics card do you have? might be that it's too new for the nv driver?
[12:03] <intelikey> it's not new
[12:03] <intelikey> it could be too old
[12:03] <slougi> intelikey: that's a possibility, but let's see if we can't solve it another way.
[12:04] <T_Servo> slougi: When I try something like "make" it just says command not found
[12:04] <intelikey> riva128
[12:04] <ravenous> T_Servo: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:04] <slougi> intelikey: possible, afaik the nv driver is not too well maintained due to lack of docs. does the vesa driver do the same thing? have you tried the nvidia binary?
[12:04] <intelikey> T_Servo install build-essential
[12:04] <T_Servo> ahh, ok
[12:04] <T_Servo> will try that in a bit... food calls now
[12:05] <intelikey> slougi i'm not sure where you are headed with this.... X works fine.  even console frame buffering works fine.   what are you after ?
[12:06] <intelikey> it's the app xfwm4  that blacks my screen  erreversably
[12:06] <slougi> intelikey: well obviously xfwm does something that X doesn't like, and "blacking" a display should not be possible that way with the X api, especially the way even consoles are disabled.
[12:07] <slougi> intelikey: ergo, driver bug
[12:07] <intelikey> ok i see where you went now.
[12:08] <intelikey> i'll test vesa   but it's not very likely to work...
[12:08] <slougi> why not?
[12:08] <intelikey> the riva128 don't like vesa
[12:08] <slougi> ah, ok. maybe the vga driver then?
[12:09] <pgquiles> dapper is really slow while copying files to/from my USB disk. My laptop has USB 2.0 but I think dapper is managing them as USB 1.0, how could I improve that?
[12:10] <intelikey> well i have to go fix a lawn mower.....  crap seems to pile up....
[12:10] <slougi> heh
[12:10] <slougi> well, hope you can solve the issue