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BlueAidanfor some reason, LP won't send a confirmation email to my main email account. could it be that the server is on my personal machine, on a residential IP?01:32
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lifelessBlueAidan: shouldn't matter. is it hitting your spam filter perhaps ?01:42
BlueAidanno, it never connects to my server.01:43
BlueAidanI watch the log for awhile after I click the "send confirmation" button, but no connects from LP. I get other mail fine.01:44
lifelessmail is batched out from lp01:45
lifelessbut we dont have filters on sending /to/ dial up ips etc - I recieve mail in what sounds to be a similar setup01:45
BlueAidanI've tried doing it 4-5 times now, for the past month or so and haven't gotten one yet.01:45
lifelesshave you filed a bug/support request ?01:46
BlueAidannot yet...01:46
lifelessthat will give us a place to have a discussion, record things to search in the logs etc01:46
BlueAidanok01:46
BlueAidanjeez... one just got through!01:47
BlueAidanheh01:47
BlueAidanah well01:47
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=== ..[topic/#launchpad:irc.freenode.net] : Developer meeting: Thu 31 Aug, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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theCoreis possible to know how the Karma is counted?02:42
sladentheCore: you could ask on #launchpad02:50
lifelesssladen: this IS #launchpad02:50
sladenha!02:51
theCoresladen, ?02:51
theCorehehe02:51
lifelesstheCore: its recorded as specific actions, then counted daily. The answer is then balanced according to a algorithm that we change 02:51
lifelessits changed so that the different areas of launchpad dont overwhelm each other, and to reduce the overwhelming amount of karma canonical employees tend to generate02:52
theCorelifeless, would it be possible to know the value given for the different actions?02:53
lifelessno02:53
theCore:(02:53
lifelessits really irrelevant02:53
lifelessits like 3 steps removed from the value that ends up against your name02:53
lifelessand like I say we balance it all the time, so the number is effectively not fixed.02:53
theCoreI understand02:54
lifelessTo know the number we'd have to work backwards through all the math02:54
theCoreI just wanted to cheat a little bit, work on the most rewarding area to boost my karma02:54
theCoreanyway02:54
lifelessI know. Its structured so that that it doesn't work like that ;)02:54
theCorethanks, for info02:55
lifelessalso, karma decays02:55
lifelessif you have high karma, but stop contributing, it will fade away02:55
lifelessthis is good for new contributors, because it means that after a while, you've caught up with everyone that is already here.02:55
lifeless(assuming you are contributing as much)02:56
theCorethat's pretty nice02:56
theCoreit's bit inconvient for the people that don't work directly with launchpad. though02:57
lifelesshow so, you dont need to work directly with it to get karma02:58
theCoreI assume my contributions worth more than karma points...02:58
theCorehow so?02:58
lifelesswell, what do you do ? If you do uploads of packages for instance, that generates karma03:00
theCoreI work on the h.u.c documention, some IRC support, and I do upstream bug reports on development version of certain apps03:02
theCoremay start to work with the MOTUs soon, so that will boost the karma points I have03:03
theCorelifeless, just another question, does my email address is reachable by the search bots if I make it viewable to other Launchpad users?03:08
theCorenevermind, I found it out03:09
lifelessno03:09
lifelessif you are not logged in, you cant see any email03:09
theCoreyeah, I just saw that, it seems the spams came through wiki.ubuntu.com03:10
theCorelifeless, by the way, Launchpad is a really nice piece of software, continue your great work :)03:13
Burgundavialifeless: personally, I think the gnome bugzilla points methods works very well03:14
Burgundaviabe harder to abstract across a larger domain on expertise/work03:14
lifelessI got spammed in the weekend on /all/ my gpg uids03:15
lifelessso I think some f*cker has done a search of one of the keyservers03:15
jameshlifeless: or harvested addresses from one of the PGP key stats websites03:15
jameshwhich is more likely03:15
lifelessyeah03:17
lifelessalso, some muppet in debian land is exposing maintainer email addresses to the wide wide masses03:17
Burgundavialifeless: doesn't packages.debian.org do that anyway?03:18
lifelessprobably03:18
lifeless$muppets03:18
theCorelifeless, possible but my GPG key doesn't have the email address which I'm getting spam03:18
Burgundaviadude, you have to know who to email about a package03:18
lifelessBurgundavia: yes, and? the BTS is the contact address03:19
lifelessI'm a DD, if anyone is allowed to complain, surely I am03:19
lifelessmind you, wrong channel ;)03:20
Burgundaviawhat if I have a question that is not a bug?03:20
Burgundaviait is hard enough figuring out who to talk to about a package already03:20
Burgundavialets not make it harder03:20
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jameshBurgundavia: use the support tracker :)03:22
Burgundaviajamesh: and in debian? :)03:22
jameshBurgundavia: they don't have one yet?03:22
Burgundaviadebian is to actually used by real people, so they don't need a support tracker03:23
jameshdon't real people need a place to ask questions?03:23
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Burgundaviajamesh: debian users mostly use the mailing list and that new forum03:30
Burgundaviathe issue is people who are little bit more savvy that the forums but not quite a developer03:30
Burgundaviapeople like myself03:30
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mptGoooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!04:30
lifelessmpt: do we have a help.l.c page for WhyTheFuckAmIHere ?04:31
mptno04:31
lifelesswe had a lot of requests for account deletions over the weekend04:44
jameshit coincides with the word "account" being splashed over non-active person pages04:46
lifelessah, I did not realise that there had been a change there04:49
jameshsee the right hand portlet of https://launchpad.net/people/mzqrovna04:51
jameshmpt: if you have ideas for alternative wording, that would be useful.04:52
theCorehow do I confirm a bug?04:57
mptjamesh, cause and effect perhaps05:03
jameshalso, the "Claim this account" link there should go to the person merge page rather than +forgottenpassword, since I'm logged in05:05
mptok05:05
jameshI assume that's what we want to direct people to do when they find a duplicate05:05
jameshrather than have two active accounts05:06
mptyes05:06
jameshmpt: so spiv found an SF URL that gives you a bug without needing the group_id or atid.  That should simplify things greatly.05:15
mptcool05:16
mptDoes there need to be a spec on simplifying bug watch entry?05:17
jameshcouldn't hurt05:17
UbugtuNew bug: #57946 in rosetta "Aggregate suggestions from similar languages" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5794605:25
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Burgundaviajamesh: to be brutally honest, I think the non-free-ness of LP is going to be a larger and larger liability to Ubuntu as we go forward05:39
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jameshmpt: what do you think of bug 57414 and 57715?07:21
UbugtuMalone bug 57414 in malone "Two comment boxes are confusing" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5741407:21
UbugtuMalone bug 57715 in malone "Lost comments on bug #57607" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5771507:21
jameshmpt: people entering a comment in one comment box, and submitting the other form of the page07:21
jameshthus losing the comment07:21
mptjamesh, I think and have always thought that the bug page should have only one comment field, and only one "Save Changes" button07:23
jameshmpt: I think it should be possible to do without too much trouble using the new formlib machinary07:24
Burgundaviampt: related question: is there a bug somewhere for when you change a description and end up with a duplicate?07:24
mptBurgundavia, yes, and BjornT has been fixing that recently afaik07:25
Burgundaviacool, thanks07:25
Burgundaviait bugged me again today07:25
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carlosmorning08:32
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carlosmpt: hi08:56
carlosI would need some minutes of your time to help me with some UI changes to the translation form08:56
carlosDo you have time today?08:56
mptcarlos, now's good08:57
carlosok08:57
carloslet me prepare my local launchpad server so you can take a look to what I have atm08:57
carlosthe changes are to implement TranslationReview spec08:58
jameshmpt: I reviewed your mpt/launchpad/trivial branch, btw.  Mostly okay, but one query about your fix for bug 5583108:58
UbugtuMalone bug 55831 in malone "branches shouldn't be hidden in the bug text" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5583108:58
carlosmpt: http://gollum.pemas.net:8086/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution-2.2/es/+translate09:00
carlosmpt: use my login details in our sample data09:00
carlosmpt: the copy buttons are not working, just focus on the UI09:01
carlosplease 09:01
carlosmpt: the message #5 is the most important, it has suggestions and I don't find the best way to render that information... 09:02
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SteveAmorning09:19
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carlosmpt: hi?09:20
carlosSteveA: morning09:20
mptcarlos, sorry, lost X-Chat there for a moment09:21
mptWhat was the address?09:21
carlos http://gollum.pemas.net:8086/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution-2.2/es/+translate09:22
mptwhoo, "Translated by:"09:24
mptgreat work09:24
carlosmpt: that's already in rocketfuel ;-)09:25
carlosmpt: so it would be deployed tomorrow09:25
daniloscarlos: on that topic, care to prepare a report for kiko on stuff happened in rosetta? :)09:30
danilosbtw, morning :)09:30
carlosdanilos: morning09:30
mptcarlos, so the problem is the suggestions are taking up too much space?09:31
carlosyeah, let me finish with mpt and I will prepare my report09:31
carlosmpt: yeah09:31
daniloscarlos: sure :)09:31
carlosmpt: danilos suggested some collapsing so we don't show all the information by default09:31
mptcarlos, the problem seems to be with the 'Spanish (es) translation of evolution-2.2 in Ubuntu Hoary package "evolution"'09:31
carlos(it was taking much more space than it's taking right now)09:32
mptThat could just be "evolution evolution-2.2"09:32
carlosyeah09:32
carlosso instead of using its display name09:32
carlosI should create my custom displayname there?09:33
mptor "Ubuntu evolution evolution-2.2"09:33
mptyes09:33
carloswith a single link?09:33
mptthe current displayname formatting isn't really good for much, I think09:33
carlosor being Ubuntu, evolution and evolution-2.2 different links?09:33
mptone, I thinkd09:34
carlosmpt: take care that there will be many templates that will have the same sourcepackagename and translation domain09:34
mptwhy?09:34
carlosso we would get: Ubuntu gedit gedit09:34
mpthmmmm09:34
mptso maybe we could omit the domain?09:35
carlosI guess09:35
danilosI think it makes more sense to omit the sourcepackagename09:35
mptbrb09:35
carlosdanilos: not really09:35
daniloscarlos: why not? what would be the problem?09:36
carlosfor some packages, people will know that evolution-2.8 comes from evolution package09:36
danilosthe link would still point to that particular package name09:36
danilosyeah, and the cases where it wouldn't be obvious would be?09:36
carlosbut for instance, the man pages are imported with the translation domain 'man-page' (or somehting like that)09:36
carlosso you would get: Ubuntu man-page09:36
danilos(not that it wouldn't be solved simply by following a link)09:36
carlosand you don't know which man page it comes from09:37
daniloshum, I see your point09:37
carlossure, but you need to follow the link09:37
carlosI think is more easy to just say the sourcepackage were it's from09:37
carlosand you don't need to follow the link to know if it fits the glossary your application follows09:37
danilosyeah, but what if you're translating evolution-2.8 and the translation comes from evolution-2.4 (a much more common case, I'd say)09:38
carlosthink on KDE vs GNOME translations, not just Ubuntu ones09:38
danilosit'd be "Hum, this is already used in evolution, what?"09:38
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carloshmm09:38
mptdanilos, but sometimes the translation domain is something like "trunk", right?09:38
mptor "main"09:38
mptor something similarly vague09:38
danilosmpt: rarely afaik09:39
carlosmpt: yeah, that's what I just told him09:39
carlosbut he did also a good point09:39
carlos<danilos> yeah, but what if you're translating evolution-2.8 and the translation comes from evolution-2.4 (a much more common case, I'd say)09:39
carlos<danilos> it'd be "Hum, this is already used in evolution, what?"09:39
daniloscarlos: you told me that this is common for man-pages import and such, not quite common with regular packages09:39
mptcarlos, so is it usually true that the name of the package and the name of the domain are the same?09:39
carlosdanilos: man pages are part of different packages09:39
carlosso evolution would have a man-page domain, gedit too, gcc, etc...09:40
carlosmpt: yeah, usually, it's true09:40
carlosbut there are exceptions like evolution, gcc and many libraries (to allow more than one version installed at the same time)09:41
mptcarlos, so perhaps omit the domain if it's the same as the package name?09:42
carlosdanilos: https://launchpad.net/potemplatenames/5832009:42
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SteveAmpt: I recommend irssi + screen :-)09:43
carlosAnother thing I was thinking on is to show 'Ubuntu Dapper - Evolution'09:43
carlosthat will allow you to know whether it comes from a newer or an older version09:43
carlosand for products 'Evolution trunk' 'Evolution - 2.18', that's '$product - $productseries'09:44
carlosdanilos, mpt: What do you think?09:45
daniloscarlos: sure, that might make sense, but also watch out for the number of queries there (as I mentioned earlier, that's the most common timeout in bug 30602)09:45
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3060209:45
carlosdanilos: the problem with #30602 is more with a multiple row queries, in this case we are using and Index and getting just one row09:46
carlosI know that's still extra queries09:47
carlosbut I don't think that's something we should care too much right, now. The problem there is the multiplejoins to get all suggestions09:47
daniloscarlos: btw, I see your point with "manpage", but it obviously is not that bad, since there are only a dozen or so of them :)09:47
carlosthat's the bottleneck09:47
carlosdanilos: well, because we started importing documentation with dapper ;-)09:47
danilosmpt, carlos: I also like mpt's suggestion of showing domain only if different (or maybe if not .startswith())09:47
carlosdanilos: the 'if not .startswith()' would leave outside evolution09:48
carlosis that ok for you?09:48
danilosah, right, ignore the suggestion09:49
danilosI was thinking of showing the domain if it .startswith(sourcepackagename)09:49
carlosdanilos, mpt: Anyway, the extra line that currently renders the pofile name will still be there09:49
danilosi.e. is there also eg. "gtk+-properties"?09:50
danilosyeah, lets get back on that topic09:50
carlosso the space of that page will be the same, just with less text09:50
carlosdanilos: gtk20-properties is what we have right now09:50
daniloscarlos: yeah, and gtk20, no? :)09:51
carlosyeah09:51
danilosok, so evolution-* case is not isolated, just wanted to check that09:51
danilosmpt: I also feel most of that data is distracting from core information: suggestion text09:51
mptyes09:53
mptFor one thing, the CSS should say that links inside class="discreet" don't get colored, just underlined09:54
danilosprobably no need to use two different ways to differentiate suggestions from regular text as well (i.e. smaller font and gray colour)09:55
danilosi.e. I'd make the text of the same size as current translation, just of different colour; carlos, what do you think?09:56
carlosI think main text is more important than suggestions09:57
daniloscarlos: yeah, but the colour is different: you're diminishing it in two ways, instead of only one, which should be enough imho09:57
carlosand a different colour would just mean that we should explain why it has a different colour09:57
carlosbut I'm easy with that09:58
daniloswell, as I said, this is just mh(non-designer)o, I'd wonder what mpt thinks :)09:58
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carlosmpt: btw, I would also to know what do you suggest to render 'Current Spanish' for message #410:00
carlosmpt: the spec says that we should use '(no translation yet)' when there is no translation at all, but I guess we should show to our users that it's not a translation that says '(no translation yet)' but a message about that fact10:01
carlosYou don't need to give me an answer now, I think would be good enough if you could take that branch and give it some love when I'm done with it...10:02
mptcarlos, sure, sorry I was a little bit distracted10:03
carlosmpt: don't worry ;-)10:03
mptmail me the URL of the branch, and I'll have a go10:04
carlosok, thank you. I will send you the email as soon as I finish the form changes10:05
carlosI will put there a list of issues I think we should solve before going to production10:05
carlosdanilos: I will ping you before sending that email so you can do another review first and add your comments too, ok?10:05
daniloscarlos: sure :)10:06
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ddaaDzien dobry11:05
ddaaSorry for being a bit late this morning, had some network problem.11:05
ddaaWhat happened to #canonical, did the passkey change?11:06
carlosddaa: yes11:07
carlosddaa: look at the warthogs mailing list11:07
ddaathx11:08
jameshddaa: had a nice holiday?11:08
ddaaNot exactly fun as a barrel of puppies, but interesting and instructive.11:09
ddaaAnd very effective at flushing all work stuff out of my medium term memory too.11:09
jameshwe did a launchpad-bazaar meeting last week without you11:10
jameshI've put up some minutes on the wiki11:10
ddaaAle teraz mowi troche po polsku.11:10
ddaaDzinkuj11:11
daniloscarlos, jordi: I'm ok with spending between half an hour and one hour a day on import queue; I can start today between 16h and 17h (our time :)11:14
jordidanilos: sounds cool. Let's talk about it when I'm "at work" this evening at 17h?11:17
danilosjordi: sure (this was in relation to carlos' emailjust so you know if you haven't seen it :)11:18
jordihaven't seen it :p11:19
carlosdanilos: ok11:23
carlosI think .pot files would be handled between today and tomorrow11:23
jordiyeah11:24
daniloscarlos: yeah, that would be great: it should also mean that the queue would go dramatically down, right?11:25
jordiis the main import chunk done now?11:25
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carlosjordi: yes11:27
sivangmorning11:27
carlosdanilos: well, I think it will have around 5000 - 6000 entries11:27
carloswith corner cases11:27
carlosperhaps less11:27
ddaaSteveA: lifeless: jamesh: spiv: meeting in 30 mins11:30
daniloscarlos: ok11:31
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cprovgood morning, guys12:27
sivangmorning cprov 12:32
cprovsivang: hi dude !12:32
sivangcprov: how cool are you today? :-)12:35
cprovsivang: wow, depends what you mean by /cool/ <wink> I'm still recovering from along flight from london.12:37
lifelessreviewer meeting in 23 12:37
sivangcprov: :)12:39
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lifelessreviewer meeting time01:00
lifelesswho art here ?01:00
jameshI am01:00
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lifelessspiv: ?01:01
lifelessSteveA: ?01:01
lifelessBjornT: ?01:01
spivhere01:01
BjornTi'm here01:01
lifelessoh right, I remember, BjornT and SteveA will be on leave01:01
lifelessBjornT: thanks!01:01
lifeless * Next meeting01:02
lifeless * Queue status.01:02
BjornTlifeless: well, afaik i shouldn't be on leave :)01:02
lifelessBjornT: ah, interesting :)01:02
lifelessBjornT: I thought it was a public holiday01:02
lifeless2006-09-04 at 1100 UTC.01:02
lifelessthats when I propose the next meeting be01:02
jameshit is in the UK01:02
lifeless1 week01:02
lifelessjamesh: ah, that 'splains it01:02
jameshsounds fine01:03
lifelessall opposed say 'moo'01:03
lifelessok, that it is 01:03
lifelessqueue status - looking goood01:03
SteveAhi lifeless 01:03
jameshI finished off the month old branch today01:03
lifeless4 core reviews, oldest is 2 days (not counting the weekend)01:04
lifelessand 3 tiny tiny branches01:04
SteveAlifeless: it's a UK public holiday today, but not a lithuanian one.  for historical reasons, I take UK holidays01:04
lifelessso we're caught up again, but I suspect that may just mean there is lots of needs-reply coming back through01:04
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lifelessSteveA: I get it now01:04
SteveAlifeless: I have a bunch of intense stuff to arrange this week, so I'd appreciate no new code reviews for the next few days.01:05
lifelessspiv: what were we talking about on thursday, that I suggested you raise today ?01:05
lifelessSteveA: sure, I can arrange that01:05
SteveAthanks01:05
lifelesshey everyone, steve says stop work !!!01:06
lifeless:)01:06
spivlifeless: um01:06
spivlifeless: I can't remember.01:06
lifelessSteveA: seriously, no problems, review team is in good shape01:06
spivlifeless: I'll let you know if it comes back to me01:06
lifelessok.01:06
lifelesshow are the voice calls going ?01:06
jameshI haven't had one in a number of week01:07
jameshs01:07
lifelesshave we all published our 'office hour' ?01:07
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jameshwhere do we do that?01:07
lifelessI assumed we'd do in in the staffcalendar - where our daily schedules are published01:08
spivI thought that was on hold pending a conversation between Steve and kiko after the last lp meeting?01:08
lifelessspiv: ah.01:08
lifelessin which case, last call for any new business ?01:08
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lifelesstchau-for-now01:10
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ddaamhmh02:26
ddaaI've got an interesting bug report02:27
ddaahttps://launchpad.net/products/bzrk/+bug/5688102:27
UbugtuMalone bug 56881 in bzrk "Not redirected to bzr-gtk" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  02:27
ddaaThis user wants /products/bzrk to redirect to /products/bzr-gtk02:27
ddaaLaunchpad cannot do that AFAIK.02:27
ddaaDo we want it to?02:27
LarstiQI don't think so.02:28
LarstiQat least, in this specific case.02:28
ddaaHa, LarstiQ02:29
ddaacan you handle that bug please?02:29
LarstiQwill do.02:29
ddaaI'm open to suggestions for new launchpad features, but I'm way out of touch for bzrk bugs.02:29
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LarstiQddaa: aliases for a product might make sense, but if there is prior history, I'm very reluctant to hide that02:30
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ddaaAgreed. I can imagine ways to report that a product is deprecated in favor of another, but I'm not going to say any more because I do not think it's important enough a use case to implement in the forseeable future.02:31
LarstiQagreed02:32
LarstiQwelcome back btw :)02:32
ddaaProsz02:32
ddaalet's continue on #bzr02:33
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asabilhello all02:38
asabilis it normal to have a delay between the time we push something in the bzr repo02:39
asabiland the time it can be accessed ?02:39
spivasabil: yes02:42
spivasabil: it should be short (a few minutes)02:42
asabilhow much time ?02:42
asabilokidoki thanks02:42
LarstiQasabil: do you mean bazaar.launchpad.net, and sftp vs http?02:43
spivIf it's not, please let us know here or file a bug and we'll take a look.02:43
spivLarstiQ: that's what I'm assuming...02:43
asabilyes02:43
spivPhew :)02:43
LarstiQspiv: and that takes a few minutes? I thought up till a day?02:43
asabilsftp vs. http02:43
asabilon bazaar.launchpad.net02:43
spivLarstiQ: We've tweaked the cron jobs involved :)02:43
LarstiQspiv: ah, good to hear that :)02:43
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asabilit has been 20 minutes already02:47
asabilis that normal ?02:47
spivasabil: hmm, that's a bit slow02:48
spivwhat's the branch?02:48
asabilhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jprieur/pymsn/cocoon/02:49
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spivasabil: the mirroring script seems to be stuck.  I'll poke an admin.03:07
spivasabil: thanks for the report.03:07
asabilI am the one who should thank you03:08
asabil:)03:08
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salgadospiv, is there any changes I still need to do on my support-tracker-karma branch?03:22
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spivsalgado: dunno, what does my review say? :)03:25
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salgadospiv, well, the status is merge-conditional, and I think I addressed all the points you made, but IISTR that my last reply had some new points03:26
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salgadoyeah, about adding the user to the 'Karma added:' line on doctests03:27
salgadospiv, do you think it's worth doing it, even though we'll make them less readable?03:28
spivsalgado: if readability is significantly hurt, no.03:28
spivif it has a really, really slight readability impact, then maybe the benefit would be justified.  But in *doc*tests, readability comes first.03:29
spivIf you can't comfortably do all the testing you want in a doctest... take the hint, and don't use a doctest :)03:29
spiv(not that readability can be ignored in plain python unit tests, but you can do lots of comprehensive assertions of little details much more readably there, and you don't have to worry about detracting from the quality of docs.03:31
spiv)03:31
spivdoctests are really good at being testable documentation.  They're not necessarily ideal for tests themselves.03:32
salgadoagreed.  but I usually prefer a doctest in a directory other than the system doctests one instead of a unit test03:33
salgadounless we need to test too many different corner cases and stuff, like what we do in the mirror prober03:34
spivRight.03:35
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spivSo my point with adding a user to the "Karma added:" lines is that it seems to me that perhaps the docs are becoming more tests of details than docs.  We don't need to be perfectly rigid of course, but when in doubt I'd do what keeps the docs more like docs than like tests.03:37
salgadoyeah, that's a good point03:39
asabilstill not fixed ?03:39
spivasabil: no :(03:40
asabil:/03:40
asabilcould you notify me when fixed please ?03:41
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spivasabil: ok.03:44
asabilthanks03:45
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bradbflacoste: Did you see jjesse's email to l-u@? He was wondering why there's a support ticket portlet on his person page, which also showed Answered and really old tickets, and how he could remove it.03:56
spivasabil: the relevant script has restarted, hopefully it'll work this time.03:56
asabilthanks03:57
spivasabil: I'm looking into the cause, but it's about time for me to sleep...03:57
flacostebradb: yes, I saw that one03:57
asabilokey :)03:57
spivasabil: it's possible it's already got to your branch, you might like to check.03:57
asabilthanks for your help03:57
asabilnot yet :(03:57
spivAh well.  It seems to be running fine at the moment, so it's probably not long before it gets to you.03:57
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crimsunWhen attempting to report a bug against a source package (xmame) in Ubuntu multiverse, LP is telling me the source package and all of its binary packages don't exist in Ubuntu. Is this intentional?04:26
daniloscarlos: ping04:27
carlosdanilos: pong04:27
daniloscarlos: I'm about to start working through imports queue04:27
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daniloscarlos: I might have some questions as I go on04:28
carlosok04:28
carlosdanilos: sure04:28
danilosjust so you know :)04:28
carlosping me04:28
salgadocrimsun, in which page you're experiencing this?04:28
carlosdanilos: just a hint04:28
danilossure04:28
crimsunsalgado: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug04:28
carlosdanilos: all man pages have as the translation domain 'man-pages'04:29
daniloscarlos: yeah, got that one already :)04:29
carlosdanilos: if you find one package with more than one man-page... we have troubles ;-)04:29
carlosabout .pot files with .desktop information04:30
daniloscarlos: right; but, how do I tell if a POT is actually for a man page?04:30
carlosdanilos: they should have exactly the same translation domain as filename (most of those will be from KDE)04:30
daniloscarlos: ah, ok04:30
carlosdanilos: you can download it and guess it from the content but most of the time, the filename gives you enough clues04:31
salgadocrimsun, please use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xmame/+filebug for now.  I'll investigate the issue and report a bug, if not already reported04:31
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carlosdanilos: also, for now, ignore every .pot file inside debian/ directory04:31
crimsunsalgado: I've tried that, too.04:31
daniloscarlos: ok04:31
salgadocrimsun, eek. that doesn't work either?04:32
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carlosthere are some we should not import and others have some special names so let's give you less corner cases to start with ;-) 04:32
daniloscarlos: postgres has a number of pots, how do I handle that? (i.e. why was it not automatically approved)?04:32
crimsunsalgado: nope. What's puzzling is that I'm attempting to file a bug against the xmame source to resolve an issue that was just raised (bug 57995)04:32
Ubug2Malone bug 57995 in xmame "Impossible to use configuration menus in xmess" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5799504:33
carlosdanilos: that one is because the path has a version specific directory04:33
daniloscarlos: ah, ok, so I just go ahead and import them if the domain exists? (if not, I create a proper one, right?)04:34
carlosdanilos: if you edit the old potemplate and change the path to the new one, it will be automatically imported after that04:34
carlosdanilos: right04:34
daniloscarlos: ok, so what's better? to change potemplate name here and set to "approved" manually, or change path in the old potemplate?04:35
carlosdanilos: whatever you prefer ;-)04:35
danilosok :)04:35
salgadobradb, around?04:35
carlosI usually change the path04:35
bradbsalgado: hi04:36
carlosso the .pot and .po files are approved at the same time04:36
carlosbut both solutions should work04:36
BjornTcrimsun: that's a strange bug. but to work around it you can leave the package blank, then set it after the bug has been filed. or you could file it against xmess-x, that seems to work..04:36
crimsunBjornT: ok, I'll try that approach, thanks.04:36
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daniloscarlos: ok, I'll do that way as well04:37
salgadobradb, hey. nm, BjornT already replied04:37
bradbsalgado: ok :)04:37
carlosdanilos: ok04:37
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BjornTbradb: maybe you have an idea of what's wrong though? it's not possible to file a bug on xmame directly, even though it seems to be published in ubuntu. filing it on (the binary package) xmess-x works, though, it sets the source package to xmame.04:39
bradbone sec, just finishing up an email04:43
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kikomorning 04:44
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BjornTbradb: nm, i think i found it04:45
BjornTit seems that xmame is a binary package name, and since it's not published, a NotFoundError exception is raised before checking if a source package is published04:46
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kikoBjornT, in guessPackageNames?04:47
BjornTkiko: yeah04:47
kikobummer man04:47
daniloscarlos: now, with gcc-4.1; we've got gcc-4.0, but no 4.1: do I create new potemplatenames, or what?04:47
flacostekiko-fud: morning! had a nice trip back?04:48
kikoflacoste, not really. but it's nice being home :)04:48
carlosdanilos: well, that sounds like they didn't change the translation domain....04:48
flacostekiko-fud: airport procedures still sucks i guess04:48
carlosdanilos: those cases have an ugly solution... usually getting the source package and check the source...04:49
daniloscarlos: yeah, most likely they didn't04:49
bradbBjornT: You say it's a binary package, and unpublished, but:04:49
bradbhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xmame04:49
bradbThat makes it look like an sp name, and published04:49
kikospiv, are you around?04:49
daniloscarlos: yay :)04:49
daniloscarlos: I've got gcc.pot, so it probably means no template name change, right?04:49
carlosdanilos: usually, main gcc has 'gcc' translation domain04:50
bradbBjornT: ah, nm, i see what you mean04:50
BjornTright04:50
carlosdanilos: and the others have the translation domain renamed to allow more than one version installed at the same time04:51
daniloscarlos: yeah, but there are several others; and the 4.0 has used gcc-4.0 as the template name, afaict: https://launchpad.net/potemplatenames/461/+edit04:51
carlosdanilos: it changes from release to release04:52
danilosok, so I'll check the source04:52
kikoSteveA, do you know something about the auth code?04:52
carloshmm04:52
kikothe wiki auth code in particular04:53
danilosit would have probabl helped if I ran edgy myself :(04:53
carlosdanilos: in fact I did a mistake... 'gcc' didn't exist ever, or at least in our database04:53
carlosdanilos: well, I usually change deb-src lines in sources.lists to edgy and that's enough04:54
daniloscarlos: yeah, I can do that probably :)04:55
Ubug2New bug: #57999 in launchpad-bazaar "Broken grub imports" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5799905:01
Ubug2New bug: #58000 in malone "Not possible to file a bug on xmame directly" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5800005:01
ddaaelmo: Znarl: help!05:03
daniloscarlos: btw, for gcc, it's enough if one downloads a .diff.gz from http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/edgy/source/gcc-4.1 to check the bindtextdomain change :)05:04
carlos;-)05:05
carlosyeah, it's a local change from Debian/Ubuntu05:05
ddaathere's no /srv/importd on escudero anymore!!!05:05
ddaaall vcs imports are broken!05:05
ddaawhere's my data??????05:05
kikoddaa, #canonical-sysadmin perhaps?05:05
ddaakiko: thanks05:07
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salgadohey kiko.  will you have some time to look at https://launchpad.canonical.com/PersonCreationRationale today?05:09
kikosalgado, yes.05:10
kikodoes anyone know if a rollout is planned for tomorrow?05:15
daniloscarlos: re pq imports/domanis: even if I changed paths, they are still in the review queue; do I need to do anything else for it to be picked up, or just need to wait for poimports script to run (10 mins have passed)05:16
carlosdanilos: just wait05:16
daniloscarlos: ok; also, there are same POTs imported from gcj as well as gcc; do I reject those for gcj?05:17
carlosdanilos: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=all&status=APPROVED&type=all05:17
carlosthere are already approved things05:17
carlosso the script needs to finish with them before approving new ones05:18
asabilis launchpad still broken ?05:18
kikoasabil, broken?05:18
carloswas it broken?05:18
LarstiQbranch replication was stuck05:18
asabil<spiv> asabil: the mirroring script seems to be stuck.  I'll poke an admin.05:19
asabil<spiv> asabil: thanks for the report.05:19
daniloscarlos: ok, but some things (like my gcc updates) have already gotten into the queue05:19
asabilit is still stuck i thing05:19
asabilthink*05:19
carlosdanilos: let's wait a bit05:20
carlosdanilos: about gcj, block the ones duplicated there or just leave them to be reviewed by jordi or me so we double check those things05:20
asabilanyone ?05:20
kikoasabil, we're still looking into it. ddaa will update you.05:21
asabilokey thanks05:21
jordihey carlos, danilo05:21
jordiman there were 6000 emails waiting for mae at the mail server05:22
carlosjordi: hey05:22
ddaakiko: mh, I though that was done, I'll try to figure out what's going on05:22
jordifscking edgy merges05:22
carlosjordi: ;-)05:23
carlosjordi, danilos: I need to go out, will be back later. Do you need anything from me?05:31
danilosjordi: I didn't send all of them, don't blame me this time :)05:33
daniloscarlos: no, I guess jordi will be able to help with any issues I've got :)05:33
carlosok05:33
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salgadompt, around?05:44
asabilstill not fixed :'(05:46
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kikoasabil, it's a holiday in the UK today, so our admins team is running half-bar05:47
kikoddaa, do you have an idea of what is up? does it indeed require admin intervention?05:47
asabiloh, sorry didn't know05:48
kikoyeah, I just remembered05:48
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jordidanilos: how do we split this stuff?05:50
danilosjordi: I don't know05:56
danilosjordi: I've done postgres stuff05:56
jordiok05:57
jordiI should try to finish up the KDE mail before doing queue though05:57
jordithat's getting old alreadhy05:57
danilosjordi: I'm also done with the queue for today05:57
jordiok05:57
danilosjordi: yeah, go for it :)05:57
ddaakiko: no clue05:58
ddaadid not have time to check that yet05:58
kikoddaa, would be nice to get asabil with at least a schedule06:00
LarstiQI thought spiv thought that it was running again?06:01
ddaayep, I'll try to get a sense of what's going on06:02
ddaahe apparently thought that06:02
LarstiQgah!06:02
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LarstiQand instead of being taken to that product/package, it opens to change the status06:03
kikoLarstiQ, I think we're fixing that very soon now06:04
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KuhrscherHi, is the import of upstream translations for edgy already finished?06:06
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LarstiQkiko: that would be very nice06:09
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salgadosomebody removed arrowBlank.gif from our tree, but it's used in lib/contrib/templates/sorttable.js06:18
ddaaduh, somebody asked an import of that: http://twpug.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/phpsurveyor/06:18
ddaaactually the user gave the root of the svn repo...06:19
ddaanot sure if I should fix the svn url or just leave it to fail06:19
salgadoI think this is likely to happen again, since we don't usually grep for references to things we're removing in the contrib directories06:19
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salgadokiko, would it be okay to move that sortable.js into launchpad/templates?06:19
salgado(rationale above)06:20
kikosalgado, it's non-JS code, so, hmmm, no.06:20
kikoerr06:20
kikocontributed code06:20
kikowe could however avoid this happening...06:20
kikosalgado, adding a comment in the zcml should be enough to avoid people clobbering it, no?06:20
salgadomaybe06:21
salgadoif I add a new "var foo = "/++resource++foo.gif"; there I won't remember to add a comment on the zcml of foo06:21
salgadoanyway, I think it'll do for now06:22
kikoyeah06:23
kikovar arrowBlank?06:23
salgadoeh?06:24
kikosalgado, you said "var foo".06:27
salgadoI meant:  if I add a new launchpad resource there, I won't remember to add a comment on that resource's zcml06:28
salgadowhich could lead to this problem happening again06:28
ddaakiko: I need to got out buy food06:28
ddaaI'll look at the branch puller once I get a chance this evening06:29
kikoddaa, fix the URL for now?06:29
ddaayeah, I fixed that import06:29
ddaait's a taiwanese lug svn repo apparently06:29
ddaaso it makes sense06:29
kikoI see06:30
kikoddaa, so it's working now? asabil should be appeased?06:30
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ddaadunno06:30
ddaabeen doing importd maintenance06:30
ddaabeing interrupted by girl now06:31
ddaadoes not appear fixed though06:34
asabilsorry was away06:55
asabilnot fixed, still the same06:55
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jordicarlos: https://launchpad.net/products/picard/main/+pots/picard08:07
jordihow can we move Norwegian to nb and remove English?08:07
carlosDBA requests08:07
carlosjordi: please, file a bug08:08
jordiokay08:08
carlosand I will prepare the request08:08
Ubug2New bug: #58024 in rosetta "Please remove English and move "no" to "nb"" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5802408:15
flacostekiko-fud: ping08:20
Ubug2New bug: #58025 in launchpad-support-tracker "Don't show portlet with old and answered support requests at /people/$person page." [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5802508:26
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flacostematsubara: thanks for replying to jonathan jesse08:39
matsubaraflacoste: np08:40
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ddaaokay, let's see what's bothering the branch puller08:48
ddaawell, it's been spewing errors as usual08:48
ddaalooks like it's running...08:48
asabiloO08:49
ddaaasabil: the errors I'm talking about are not serious08:49
asabilokidoki08:49
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ddaafailure to access some sftp-hosted branches, and things the data center which are not routable from there, and anyway should not carry public data08:50
ddaaasabil: which branch do you have a problem with?08:50
asabilhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jprieur/pymsn/cocoon/08:50
ddaaokay, three revisions there08:51
ddaathe absence of visible files is normal, although confusing08:52
ddaahttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jprieur/pymsn/cocoon/.bzr/08:52
asabilyes I know08:53
asabilI have been using bzr for a while08:53
asabilthe problem is this :08:53
asabil0 revision(s) pulled.08:53
ddaasorry08:53
ddaawhen doing what?08:54
asabilyou don't have to be sorry :p08:54
asabilbzr pull08:54
asabili should receive 2 revisions08:54
ddaaso, that's the branch page https://launchpad.net/people/jprieur/+branch/pymsn/cocoon08:55
asabilyes ?08:55
asabilthe prob is the sync between sftp and http08:55
ddaaright08:55
ddaaI'll dig into the supermirror and find the sftp data to compare08:56
asabilk thanks08:56
ddaaokay, there are five revs on the sftp filesystem09:05
kiko-fudflacoste, pong?09:06
ddaahey kiko, is there an easy way to talk xmlrpc to the authserver manually?09:07
ddaaneed to check what it gives to the branch puller, there's obviously something wrong going on09:07
kikoddaa, I'm not familiar with how the authserver works, unfortunately. I think there are wiki docs on it though09:07
flacostekiko: do you think you'll have time to approve the SupportTrackerWorkflow spec soon?09:08
kikoddaa, hmmm, interesting -- there has been a problem with wiki auth today09:08
ddaamh09:09
ddaaI do not think it would be the same problem09:09
ddaathe branch puller appears to be working normally09:09
ddaait's not doing what it's supposed to do09:09
ddaaso I think it's rather a regression09:10
ddaakiko: there was a rollout today, right?09:10
asabil:/09:15
kikoflacoste, I should, ddaa not that I know of -- LaunchpadProductionStatus was not updated at least.09:20
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Mezhey, an import of a SVN branch failed, can someone have a look see why ?09:21
ddaaMez: I'm the guy to do that, but I cannot look at it right now09:21
ddaaMez: well, which import is that?09:22
Mezddaa: katapult09:22
ddaaha09:22
Mezhttps://launchpad.net/products/katapult/mainstream09:22
ddaaI know09:22
ddaaI babysitted it just today09:22
Mezlol09:22
Mezwhats wrong with it ?09:22
ddaasee https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImportRequests09:23
ddaaIt's in "Unsorted failures"09:23
ddaaIOW, the log says katapult/katapult.desktop is modified in revision 522145, but it's not present in the imported tree at this point.09:24
ddaaMight be a svn repo inconsistency, or a bug in cscvs leading to an incorrect tree.09:25
Mezddaa, last change to it was  57587309:26
Mezoh, it gets the whole history?09:26
ddaaMez: it would help if you could confirm that the log for svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult up to revision 522145 actually reports a change that can be applied given a checkout from the first revision mentioned in the log.09:27
ddaaMez: according to the cscvs output, the history starts as 521764, then 52214509:27
ddaaso it's effectively the second revision of the import09:27
Mezddaa: see here http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/katapult/katapult.desktop?rev=575873&view=log09:28
ddaayes, we get the whole history for the specified branch09:28
Mezddaa: what are you asking me to confirm?09:29
Mezdiff from 521764 to 522145 = http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/katapult/katapult.desktop?rev=522145&r1=521764&r2=522145&makepatch=1&diff_format=u09:30
ddaathat the log for the svn branch starts with 521764, then 522145. And that a checkout of 521764 does not contain katapult/katapult.desktop, and that the log for 522145 says that this file was changed.09:32
ddaaIf all of that is true, it's an inconsistency in the svn repo, or it's another svn corner case I am not aware of yet.09:33
Mez521764 DOES contain katapult/katapult.desktop09:33
ddaaThank you.09:34
ddaaThen that's a bug in cscvs. But I do not think I'll be able to fix it soon.09:34
ddaavery weird, in any case09:34
Mezddaa: 521764 was a move in SVN... which may be the probelm09:35
ddaanot really, since that's the point the branch is created09:35
ddaamh09:35
Mezddaa: there is a history for the branch before that though ...09:35
ddaawtf???09:36
Mezddaa: have a look at09:36
Mezhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/katapult/katapult.desktop?rev=575873&view=log09:36
Mez519805 = initial import to KDE's SVN09:36
ddaait's not the log we care about here09:36
ddaawe care about the log of the branch09:37
Mez521764 = where it was moved from trunk/playground to trunk/extragear09:37
Mezor am i just getting myself confused here?09:37
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ddaaMez: Launchpad imports currently completely ignore renames and moves09:42
ddaathey turn them into add+remove09:42
Mezddaa: i've no idea what the problem is then09:43
ddaalooking09:43
ddaamh09:45
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ddaaOkay09:52
ddaaIt's pretty clear that when the initial revision of an import is a move, it's not handled properly09:53
ddaathe imported tree, with only one revision so far, has _no_ file in it09:54
Mez:(10:03
ddaaI'll write the finding down and file a bug.10:05
ddaaBut I cannot afford to dig into the code now.10:05
ddaaI have a much bigger problem with launchpad not longer updating the mirror of hosted branches.10:05
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Mezddaa: fun10:13
Mezat least we can get it rhgouh sftp10:13
ddaaBah, Mez is gone. For the record it's bug 58029.10:16
UbugtuMalone bug 58029 in launchpad-bazaar "svn import fail when branch is created by a move" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5802910:16
jkakarIs there any policy around changing the status of a bug against the Launchpad product?10:23
jkakarI've discovered a bug is already present for my problem.  I want to change the status to "Confirmed".10:23
ddaaI do not think there's a policy against that.10:25
UbugtuNew bug: #58029 in launchpad-bazaar "svn import fail when branch is created by a move" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5802910:25
KuhrscherHmm, is it possible that the translation of ktorrent-2.0.1 has not been imported to rosetta? 10:29
ddaaSweet, I do not have the privs to run the branch puller :(10:29
ddaakiko: cannot easily diagnose anything about the branch puller if I cannot even tweak the verbosity of the cron job.10:29
ddaaI'll file some RT requests and call it a day.10:31
kikoddaa, RT requests, good idea.10:43
ddaacool, two of my production systems blocked offline and blocked on RT :(10:44
ddaaGood night all10:48
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mememehi, how do I unregister / delete myself from launchpad?10:50
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mhzhi guys10:53
salgadokiko, did you look at that spec already? :)10:53
mhzif a Moin version/macro  could actually count and sum every single page a user has contributed to, would that mean Karma will consider wiki contribs?10:54
UbugtuNew bug: #58036 in launchpad "Broken link pointing to non-existent gnome-product" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5803610:55
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lifelessmoining11:02
LarstiQmoin lifeless 11:02
kikosalgado, nope.11:11
SteveAhi kiko11:12
SteveAyou asked about auth code something?11:12
mhzin other words, what will it take for LP to accept Moin counting user contribs to be added to karma?11:12
kikomhz, hmmm. hmmm!11:12
kikointeresting idea.11:13
mhzbut?11:13
kikoit's not exactly trivial to implement with our current architecture11:13
kikobut worth a bug and some consideration11:13
mhzwell, currently, moin only counts user contribs is the NameLastname is actually written on the page, so I am designing a couple of ideas to have moin actually count user contribs even if NameLastname has not been specified11:14
mhzis = if11:14
kikomhz, we know the user logged in, of course11:15
mhzof course11:15
mhzhowever, Moin does not sum it11:15
mhzso, working on cache + RC could be a way11:15
mhzthe idea, of course is not to slower it down11:16
mhzkiko: and considering Moin 1.6 implements emails to be CC'ed to create wiki pages11:17
mhzand also allows users to Sync pages from local to server instance... counting user support/contribs can become essential11:18
kiko<mhz> if a Moin version/macro  could actually count and sum every single page a user has contributed to, would that mean Karma will consider wiki contribs?11:18
kikoto answer your question: our Karma is calculated based on a sum of Karma events that happen over time.11:19
kikoso more likely we would just add a moin edit Karma event and update it when user X edited a page.11:19
mhzhmm11:19
kikoto distinguish between minor and major events we could use the amount of text added or changed11:20
kikothough.. that's not fail-safe of course11:20
mhzyeah, interesting pont11:21
mhzpoint11:21
mhzbut...the thing is that sometimes, users on wikis may edit grammar11:22
mhzor stuff like that, that is not 'amount' but 'quality'11:22
mdkewhile on the subject of moin, it would be nice to abolish the distinction between Launchpad homepages and wiki personal pages11:29
kikomhz, it's hard to gauge, I know.11:29
mdkeI bet it would be easy to get Moin to link people's WikiNames with their LP homepages instead of WikiPages11:29
mhzindeed11:30
kikothat would be indeed an easy change. but.. well, their LP homepages are not really good wikipage-substitutes.11:34
mdkewhy?11:35
UbugtuNew bug: #58040 in malone "Also affects: distribution should select current distro by default" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5804011:35
mhzbut.... LP could point homepages to Moin pages11:35
kikomdke, well, for one, you can't use moin syntax in LP!11:35
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mdkekiko: sounds good :) I don't think people need clever moin features in their homepages11:36
mdkeit's mainly contact details and so on11:36
kikobut basic markup would be nice11:36
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mdkemhz: no, that wouldn't work: launchpad isn't associated with one specific wiki. It would be cool to be the other way round so people can use the same homepage for lots of wikis11:37
mhzwell, people can11:39
mhzand yes, basic syntax would be cool11:39
mhzInterwiki feature allows people to share wikiwide11:43
kikoNote BradB: a TWO COLUMN BUG PAGE! Thought you'd like that11:43
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bradbkiko: indeed :)11:43
kikoyou'd think!11:43
kikosalgado, what should I look at?11:44
salgadokiko, outstanding issues?11:44
kikowhat URL to start out with11:44
salgadohttps://launchpad.canonical.com/PersonCreationRationale11:44
mhz_offwell, bytes, you all11:50
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matsubarabradb, BjornT: so entering a non-alphanumeric (e.g. #, &) character into the tag field returns a 'Wrong contained type' message. Is that a known bug or not?11:55
kikonot that I know of matsubara 11:56
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UbugtuNew bug: #58043 in malone "Tag field should say it accept only alphanumeric characters instead of 'Wrong contained type'" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5804312:10

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