[12:20] <Burgundavia> crimsun: never mind. I was asking about UWN proofing, but it has already gone out
[12:21] <crimsun> Burgundavia: ok
[12:21] <Burgundavia> maybe next time
[12:57] <theCore> LaserJock: ping
[12:59] <LaserJock> theCore: hi
[01:00] <theCore> LaserJock: how the Packaging Guide is going?
[01:01] <LaserJock> well, I haven't really worked on it for a while
[01:01] <LaserJock> I plan on getting back on it shortly
[01:01] <LaserJock> trying to work on Feature Freeze and Universe Freeze stuff
[01:01] <theCore> LaserJock: I plan to do that too
[01:02] <theCore> oh, when the Freezes are? I was searching for dates
[01:03] <theCore> LaserJock: it is a good idea to wait for the freezes, btw
[01:03] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:03] <theCore> Burgundavia: thanks
[01:08] <theCore> ``Schedule as iCal'', I personally find this ironic...
[01:08] <LaserJock> why?
[01:09] <theCore> iCal is for OS X, isn't it?
[01:09] <LaserJock> well, but the iCal format can be read by many apps
[01:10] <LaserJock> and yeah, I use iCal in OS X so that's nice too ;-)
[01:10] <theCore> really? I didn't knew that 
[01:10] <theCore> hehe
[01:11] <theCore> personally, I lost all the interest I had for OS X, for Ubuntu
[01:11] <trappist> I still think OS X is sexy
[01:13] <trappist> I get a little jealous when I see the mac guys dragging their windows around so smoothly.  hopefully that'll stop when xgl/aiglx stabilizes.
[01:13] <theCore> trappist: good GUI is nice, but it worth nothing if you're in closed system
[01:13] <trappist> yeah that is a bummer
[01:13] <theCore> but I don't want to pullute -doc with that...
[01:15] <LaserJock> there is a lot of open source stuff for/on OS X
[01:15] <LaserJock> it could certainly be better
[01:15] <LaserJock> but it could also be worse
[01:19] <theCore> LaserJock: and what about the file formats of their apps?
[01:19] <LaserJock> depends on the app
[01:20] <theCore> it's not what I heard, lately ...
[01:21] <LaserJock> huh?
[01:21] <LaserJock> there are many OS X apps that are opensource
[01:22] <LaserJock> and Apple even open sources some stuff
[01:22] <LaserJock> I think Apple is much closer than MS
[01:22] <Burgundavia> and many that are not
[01:22] <theCore> I meant from Apple
[01:23] <LaserJock> I'm decently optimistic for Apple although I haven't been around it much
[01:26] <LaserJock> although it is nowhere close to  most Linux distros in that regard
[01:39] <theCore> LaserJock: http://peadrop.com/mac2ubuntu.html, this might give you an overall idea of the situation I see now
[01:45] <LaserJock> theCore: some good reading
[01:45] <theCore> LaserJock: indeed
[01:49] <LaserJock> however, I get to keep OS X so I'm trying to make the best of the situation, finding lots of open source software etc.
[01:50] <LaserJock> so besides OS X itself, I pretty much us all open source software on it
[01:50] <LaserJock> which is much more than I can say for Windows
[01:51] <theCore> LaserJock: for you it isn't a problem, because you didn't had to pay the Apple tax 
[01:52] <LaserJock> sure
[01:52] <theCore> LaserJock: and you can fill Windows with open-source apps
[01:52] <LaserJock> I don't find much open source for Windows
[01:52] <LaserJock> but maybe I'm not looking hard enough
[01:52] <LaserJock> anyway
[01:53] <LaserJock> way OT and I can't really get rid of OS X anyway so no sense in me grumbling about it
[01:53] <theCore> like I said before, I don't want to pollute -doc with this, it isn't useful at all
[01:54] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:55] <theCore> I better spend my time improving open-source apps, rather than waste everyone else by trashing other peoples apps
[01:55] <theCore> else time*
[01:56] <theCore> brb
[02:12] <Burgundavia> no worries
[02:31] <theCore> the funny thing is I was browsing netsplit.com when it happenned :/
[02:31] <theCore> scary
[04:17] <jsgotangco> god morning
[06:45] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:49] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[06:49] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[06:50] <Madpilot> you free Tuesday evening? How about beer & pizza & BS somewhere - your place or downtown?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: either. You want to do a fringe show as well?
[06:57] <Madpilot> is that running already?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:57] <Burgundavia> already picked out what I want to see
[07:01] <Madpilot> what's running Tuesday night, anything interesting?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[07:04] <Burgundavia> http://www.intrepidtheatre.com/shows.html?venue3 <-- rebel without a niche is showing at 9:45 on tuesday
[07:06] <Burgundavia> alternatively, at 7:45 there is "in the packaging it came in"
[07:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.intrepidtheatre.com/shows.html?venue1
[07:14] <Madpilot> I'm at work until 6 @ BH, making that early show would be difficult
[07:15] <Madpilot> the late one could be entertaining, though
[07:19] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:19] <Burgundavia> why don't you come here?
[07:19] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sure - how good evening buses from your place?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> 11 goes right outside my door
[07:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, good - see you around 6:45/7 at your place, then
[07:38] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[08:40] <mdke_> Seveas: around?
[08:40] <Seveas> yes
[08:40] <Seveas> WARNING 2006-08-28T20:40:26 Error connecting to
[08:40] <Seveas>         calvino.freenode.net:6667: User timeout caused connection
[08:40] <Seveas>         failure.
[08:41] <mdke_> Seveas: I saw the bug bot doing something cool in #launchpad, announcing new bugs, is it possible to set that up here too, for distros/ubuntu/+source/(k)ubuntu-docs and products/ubuntu-doc ?
[08:41] <Seveas> yes
[08:41] <mdke_> that would be awesome, do you need me to do anything more?
[08:41] <Seveas> who gets bugmail for those products? docteam?
[08:42] <mdke_> Seveas: people/ubuntu-doc, I'm fairly sure
[08:43] <Seveas> ok, then I'll create a 3rd account for ubugtu
[08:43] <mdke_> thanks!
[08:43] <nixternal_> ooh, nice one mdke!
[08:53] <Seveas> mdke, please accept ubugutu-docbugs as member of people/ubuntu-doc
[08:59] <jjesse> nixternal_: can you resend that diff of the guide you sent me ?
[08:59] <nixternal_> heh
[08:59] <nixternal_> sure thing
[08:59] <jjesse> grin thanks 
[08:59] <jjesse> it got lost in my spam filter for some #%%#%# reason
[09:00] <nixternal_> sent
[09:01] <Seveas> mdke, ?
[09:14] <mdke> Seveas: sure, sorry was away
[09:15] <mdke> Seveas: done
[09:15] <Seveas> ok, then let's put him to work
[09:16] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter /home/dennis/ubugtu/data/bugmail-doc
[09:16] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter /home/dennis/ubugtu/data/bugmail-doc
[09:16] <Seveas> ok, that should've done it
[09:17] <mdke> I'll file a bug
[09:19] <mdke> o.o
[09:19] <mdke> oh, there is a delay in email
[09:19] <Seveas> it takes some time
[09:19] <Seveas> 5 minute launchpad delay
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58027 in ubuntu-doc "Ubuntu documentation is too good, and the docteam are too cool" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58027
[09:25] <mdke> yay
[09:25] <mdke> thanks Seveas 
[09:25] <jjesse> confirm that bug :)
[09:38] <nixternal> haha, i just noticed the email for that bug...i was like mdke got a hold of some toxic fumes and logged onto the LP..then i realized, ahhh he is testing the bot ;)
[09:39] <nixternal> i can confirm that bug btw, but just to let you know, it would be impossible to patch jjesse right now, so send it upstream
[09:39] <nixternal> ;)
[10:04] <jjesse> ;)
[10:05] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:15] <nixternal> jjesse: i sent you a new patch...it validates here fine..and it is to kubuntu/switching/C/intro.xml
[10:16] <nixternal> don't know why you would have had issues with the last one though...also this patch is just to show you really what i have done with the intro.xml and the idea i have with it..it still needs a lot of work and i am continuing to do more to it here today as well
[10:25] <jjesse> cool
[10:33] <nixternal> did that work for you?
[10:33] <jjesse> yes it did  
[10:33] <jjesse> sorry slow at work
[10:33] <nixternal> hehe
[10:34] <jjesse> dang only got a couple of weeks left to doc string freeze
[10:34] <jjesse> gotta get working :(
[10:34] <LaserJock> when is it?
[10:34] <mdke> yes
[10:34] <nixternal> thats fine...i really created the patch jsut so you can see the idea behind the intro..there was talk the other night about creating a generic introl that contains all of the history and support stuff...so, don't know when that will happen though
[10:34] <jjesse> sept. 14th
[10:34] <LaserJock> what?
[10:34] <nixternal> heh
[10:34] <LaserJock> darn it
[10:34] <nixternal> go go go
[10:34] <LaserJock> I thought it was *after* Univerrse Freeze
[10:35] <LaserJock> grrrr
[10:35] <jjesse> just found out they want to do an edgy version of the book as well
[10:35] <nixternal> jjesse: please tell me that the SFW doesn't have to be done by the freeze
[10:35] <jjesse> gotta get cracking on that as well :(
[10:35] <jjesse> nixternal: i would love it to be, but i think it will be in edgy +1 the way things are going :(
[10:35] <nixternal> whew, ya, because we need to finish up on some of the current kubuntu docs for edgy
[10:35] <jjesse> destkop guide and release notes
[10:36] <nixternal> i have started the "release notes", 
[10:36] <jjesse> i noticed
[10:36] <nixternal> so i can continue on that if everythign is ok
[10:36] <jjesse> need to update adept guide and fianlly get that published to kde's svn
[10:36] <mdke> yeah, I don't think SFW is going to make it for Edgy
[10:36] <nixternal> desktop guide, last i heard robotgeek was trying to split up some work with me, and i haven't heard from him since
[10:36] <jjesse> mdke: agreed unforntaly
[10:38] <nixternal> is there a way to apply or force the apply of a patch that was created in an older revision?
[10:41] <mdke> nixternal: no idea
[10:41] <nixternal> i cheated..i replaced the (revision ####) with the new revision in the patch..and it worked ;)
[10:43] <nixternal> jjesse: what are we to do about the desktop guide?  i don't want to step on robotgeek's toes, however we need to get going on it, with the freeze 2 weeks away pretty much
[10:44] <LaserJock> mdke: really :/
[10:44] <Burgwork> doc freeze is two weeks away?
[10:44] <Burgwork> ugh
[10:45] <nixternal> sept. 14th
[10:45] <nixternal> 16 days
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: really which?
[10:45] <nixternal> or less depending on where in the world you are
[10:45] <LaserJock> mdke: wrt, linux-basics being out of place
[10:47] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah, it feels really bad in the new-look desktop guide
[10:56] <mhz> mdke: hi there
[10:56] <mhz> i am not sure if i asked you this before but...when could we have a newer moin system instead of 1.3.5?
[10:58] <mdke> mhz: the webmaster is working on it (and yes, of course you've asked me before :)
[10:59] <mdke> LaserJock: ah, moving the chapter earlier makes it look better. If you have any feedback on the layout of the new DG, i'd appreciate it (just committed)
[10:59] <mhz> mdke: hehe, sorry, but any ideas about 'when' we could have that?
[11:00] <mhz> mdke: also, is there any procedure to ask for Macro and/or Plugin installations?
[11:00] <mdke> mhz: nope
[11:00] <mdke> mhz: yes, file a bug on ubuntu-website
[11:00] <mhz> oh, i see
[11:00] <mhz> thx, as usual
[11:01] <mdke> np, 1.5 is overdue already
[11:09] <mhz> yeah, 1.6 will rule
[11:10] <mhz> esp. with syncing pages and email support