[12:08] <LaserJock> no, what do you think the memory usage would be if it was written in C/C++?
[12:09] <hub> lower
[12:09] <hub> clearly
[12:09] <hub> and more controlable too
[12:09] <LaserJock> ok, but how much lower, ball park?
[12:12] <Riddell> I don't doubt hub
[12:13] <TheMuso> c
[12:14] <LaserJock> well, I don't know C or C++. All I know is Python and Fortran and I'm *not* going to subject people to my fortran code
[12:14] <ryanakca> lol
=== ryanakca knows a bit of C... but since kde is mainly written in cpp, I've switched to learning cpp... 
[12:16] <LaserJock> I would just use pygtk or pyqt I guess, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try to learn a bit of C and C++
[12:16] <hub> ryanakca: well C++ is a superset of C
[12:17] <hub> so it is likely you know on you know the other, more or less
[12:17] <ryanakca> yeah, but isn't there a pile of stuff you learn in C that you'll never use in cpp?
[12:17] <Riddell> much more the other way around
[12:18] <ryanakca> oh
=== ryanakca guesses that's why C looks simpler that cpp
[12:19] <Burgundavia> gnomefreak: totem plugins (the mozilla one) is part of the totem package and thus core-dev. Gstreamer plugins are either, depending on section
[12:19] <gnomefreak> k
[12:20] <hub> Burgundavia: the totem firefox is IMHO not part of the totem source package
[12:20] <Burgundavia> hub: totem-mozilla is very much so
[12:21] <Burgundavia> the totem-firefox-xine and -gstreamer has been dropped in favour of -mozilla
[12:21] <hub> well I checked dapper
[12:21] <hub> I don't run edgy yet
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[12:21] <Burgundavia> it may been split for dapper because we didn't ship the plugin
[12:22] <ryanakca> example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B#Hello_world_program (cpp) vs http://pastebin.ca/151281 (C)
[12:23] <hub> Burgundavia: only binary packages are split AFAIK
[12:26] <LaserJock> ryanakca: as opposed to http://pastebin.ca/151289 ;-)
[12:27] <ryanakca> lol
[12:27] <ryanakca> python :)
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[12:31] <hub> btw, how to I submit a package for the backports
=== shawarma joining the game, introducing new rule.
[12:36] <shawarma> Hi, guys.
[12:38] <LaserJock> nooooooo
=== LaserJock runs
[12:39] <shawarma> talking and running! two penalty cards!
=== shawarma thinks to himself whether it would be a good idea to call a permanent point of order..
[12:39] <crimsun> hub: file a bug against the source package and subscribe ubuntu-backporters. Please attach build log and debian/changelog .
=== shawarma also wonders how many people have any idea what this is all about..
=== LaserJock takes 2 penalty cards
[12:41] <shawarma> You also have to sponsor an upload for me now.
[12:41] <shawarma> my rule.
[12:41] <shawarma> http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/asterisk-merge.diff
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[12:44] <welshbyte> hey again
[12:44] <Riddell> hub: test it compiles on dapper, report a bug on backports
[12:44] <Riddell> hub: https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs
[12:48] <bddebian> wb welshbyte
[12:48] <welshbyte> ty bddebian
[12:50] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[12:52] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[12:53] <welshbyte> hi LaserJock
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[12:55] <gnomefreak> Riddell: is 3.5.5 ready for testing on edgy yet? (been away for a few weeks)
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[01:00] <Shadowpillar> how do you calculate dependencies for a package when building a control file?
[01:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's not being released until october
[01:08] <shawarma> Shadowpillar: You start out with nothing, compile, and add what it seems to be missing. Repeat until it builds properly.
[01:09] <LaserJock> well, you can first look at INSTALL, README, and/or the app's website
[01:09] <crimsun> Shadowpillar: do you mean [runtime]  dependencies or [compile-time]  build-dependencies
[01:10] <Shadowpillar> both
[01:12] <geser> hello
[01:12] <crimsun> Shadowpillar: assuming proper dh_*shlib*(1) usage in debian/rules , then you just need to take care of the build-dependencies. LaserJock described one approach.
[01:12] <geser> what is the correct syntax for changelog to mark a bux as fixed?
[01:12] <crimsun> geser: Closes Ubuntu: #some_bug_number
[01:13] <crimsun> (or provide the short form of the LP URL)
[01:13] <crimsun> there's no canonical syntax yet
[01:15] <Shadowpillar> I wanna build a xawtv package for 64 bit that has pvr functions
[01:15] <Shadowpillar> because mythtv is not acceptable.
[01:15] <Shadowpillar> vlc has pvr functions, but they're very crude
[01:16] <Shadowpillar> well I plan on making it for 32 bit as well ;X
[01:17] <bddebian> Hmm, what to do tonight
[01:19] <crimsun> Shadowpillar: so you plan to extend the features offered in the current xawtv packages?
[01:20] <Shadowpillar> with the experimental cvs version
[01:20] <welshbyte> bddebian: wxmaxima? :)
[01:20] <Shadowpillar> which has IVTV support and dvd support and gtk2 support
[01:24] <bddebian> welshbyte: I'd like to but I think it's over my head :'-(
[01:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you every try the Debian (wx)maxima package?
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[01:25] <LaserJock> me too
[01:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you see my comment to the bug?  Attaching gdb to an unstripped binary of maxima works as expected :-(
[01:25] <LaserJock> shawarma: shesh, asterisk takes a while to compile
[01:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:25] <LaserJock> I just don't get it
[01:25] <welshbyte> i hate heisenbugs
[01:25] <LaserJock> at one point I downloaded the Debian unstable package and compiled it and it worked fine
[01:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: In Dapper?
[01:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:28] <LaserJock> I think that was right at the dapper release, maybe a little before
[01:28] <bddebian> Ah
[01:29] <welshbyte> was it a full moon? could be a were-bug :/
[01:29] <bddebian> heh
[01:32] <LaserJock> well, the bug happens too much
[01:32] <LaserJock> for it to be a were-bug
[01:33] <bddebian> Aye
[01:33] <bddebian> It's definetly there in the existing packages
[01:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:36] <LaserJock> but when I don't think it exists in debian, that's what is bugging me
[01:36] <LaserJock> s/when/then/
[01:37] <bddebian> Well Lord only knows what it was built against for Dapper
[01:37] <bddebian> I wonder if it's not a gtk issue
[01:39] <hub> so gcc4.1 use way more memory than gcc 4.0
[01:39] <hub> edgy vs dapper
[01:39] <hub> I can compile hugin on dapper, now
[01:40] <LaserJock> shawarma: ping?
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[01:54] <scundi> hello, i'm trying to recover my password on revu but i don't get any text to paste in
[01:54] <scundi> i did it once before a few months back, it worked back then
[01:54] <shawarma> LaserJock: pong
[01:55] <LaserJock> shawarma: ah yes, I was just going to say that I'm uploading your asterisk merge
[01:55] <shawarma> LaserJock: Cool. Thank you.
[01:56] <bddebian> scundi: Known issue with REVU currently I think
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[01:57] <scundi> cheers bddebian
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