=== bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] Howdy [01:13] hey bddebian [01:13] Heya Burgwork === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === cracka12 [n=joe12098@ny-amherst-C4-1-bg4a-3-232.bflony.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === whiprush [i=52b00a45@64.62.190.212] has joined #edubuntu [02:12] hi, thanks === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [02:13] whiprush: originally, as you saw, I was going to implement that spec via sabayon profiles [02:13] I don't think you can do menu stuff with sabayon [02:13] well, you can, if you have 1 profiles per user [02:14] but the dynamic aspect of the menus comes from students being able to be in multiple groups and those groups changing [02:14] so currently I'm implementing my own thing [02:15] how will that work? [02:15] where when a user logs in they get shuffled off to their own menu file [02:16] basically each dynamic menu user gets an application.menu file in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/user/ [02:16] and at login I have an Xsession.d script that sets XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to that directory [02:16] I think it will work ok [02:17] yeah that'll work [02:17] but my biggest problem is that the group .menu files don't have an easy way of being editied [02:17] so we are going to ship predefined groups and if the admin wants to change them they have to do it manually [02:18] which his less than idea for sure in Edubuntu [02:18] that's what was nice about sabayon [02:18] it is very easy to create a profile [02:18] yeah, it's pretty innovative [02:19] whiprush: how big of a deployment do you use it on? [02:19] ~2800 users [02:19] only 2 labs though [02:19] wow, lots of users [02:19] how many profiles? [02:20] 3. Student, Staff, Faculty [02:20] At first I had this elaborate setup, but that got annoying real quick [02:20] ah yeah, that's at Oakland? [02:20] now it's simple [02:20] yeah === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:21] what kind of things do you "lock down"? [02:21] Evening all [02:21] hi sbalneav [02:21] Hey LaserJock [02:21] At home, so if you'd like to send anything to me for testing/development, let me know. [02:22] LaserJock: panels only, the rest I leave alone. [02:22] Hey whippy [02:22] that way they can't delete the browser icon, etc. [02:22] hi scott [02:22] whiprush: what about pessulus? [02:22] What's shakin'? [02:22] LaserJock: by the time pessulus was out I had already done most of the lockdown, I'm more in maintenance mode right now. [02:23] sure, makes sense [02:23] sbalneav: nothing, discussing desktop lockdown stuff [02:24] LaserJock: oh, I lockdown the wallpaper too, so they can't set a huge picture on a thin client. [02:24] ah [02:25] sbalneav: here is my first attempt at "Python for non-scientists" ;-) [02:25] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21929 [02:25] almost done [02:25] whiprush: You big meanie. Why can't someone use a 10240 x 7680 super high resolution TIFF for a background? [02:27] LaserJock: Hmm, interesting use of the try: except: block. That all there is, and does this replace the shell script you sent me the other day? [02:28] no, it's in addition too [02:28] How does it get run? [02:28] well, yah know. I'm no programmer so I'm open to suggestiongs [02:28] command line or from the script [02:29] No, it's fine, syntactically, it's absolutely correct. I've just never seen it used quite like that, but hey: it works! [02:29] So, how does one create the menu profiles? [02:29] well, that's why I wanted to have "real" programmers check my scripts over [02:29] they should be fast [02:29] as they are run at login [02:30] sbalneav: by hand :-) [02:30] Lemme go poke my nose into the spec, see if I can't give you a bit of a hand... [02:31] LaserJock: my "Applications" menu flashes after installing Edgy, when i goto click on it and activate it...further reading i found out if i 'killall -q gam_server' stops that from occuring...any ideas if this is a bug with the 'latest release' or??? [02:31] take it easy, im not a gnome guy ;) [02:31] nixternal: hahaha [02:31] I got bitten by that one. [02:31] nixternal: go into /etc/xdg/menus/ [02:31] It's a symlink pointing to nowhere [02:31] nixternal: and rm the symlink [02:31] yep [02:31] for the debian menu [02:31] i do however, think that edubuntu has the hottest default look of any os i have tried in my 20+ years of computer use [02:32] thank you sir! [02:32] but of course it's the hottest ;-) [02:32] Gartoon + red borders + bluegreen wallpaper = WIN! [02:32] i love the wp definitely..the icons rock though..i like them [02:32] sbalneav: ok, let me quickly put a tarball together of what I've got and how it works and I'll send it to you [02:33] LaserJock: Super Duper Pooper Scoopers! [02:34] I've got a ton of stuff done today on some of the localdev stuff, so I'll give you a hand for a bit seeing as how rodarvus seems to have the dhcpd autoconfig spec under control. [02:41] sbalneav: what's the email addy? [02:41] sbalneav@ltsp.org [02:41] I need to beg for an ubuntu one, one of these days :) [02:42] think that can be arranged [02:42] ;-) [02:42] you buttered up the Edubuntu Council pretty well in Paris [02:43] Having seen me, you can tell I'm no stranger to butter. [02:44] hahaha [02:44] sbalneav: ok, sent. I have to go now. See you tomorrow [02:44] Okeydokey, I'll poke it a bit tonight. [02:45] Send you results of my testing tomorrow. [02:45] whiprush: thanks for the discussion [02:45] sbalneav: excellent [02:45] ;-) === bluekuja_ [n=bluekuja@host224-169.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.208.182.101] has joined #edubuntu === freddie42 [n=freddie_@spc2-warr3-0-0-cust487.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:16] just wondering, does edubuntu have an equivalent to synchroneyes? === bluekuja [n=bluekuja@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has joined #edubuntu === madar [n=madar@adsl-75-19-73-254.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] hello I just installed edubuntu on a machine for my niece, very nice [03:29] however I can't get a sceen resolution above 800x600 [03:30] I added mode lines for 1024x768 to the xorg.conf but it still doesn't appear as an option in the gui screen resolution tool [03:30] any ideas? [03:30] using vesa driver for onboard 2mb video === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.208.182.101] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] will display 1024x768 on live knoppix type disks [03:44] madar: What type of chipset is it? [03:44] You'd be better off not using the vesa driver. === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu [04:10] hello sbalneav it's reporting as an ati 3d IIc agp but it's onboard from what I can tell [04:10] old dell P2 box [04:10] DSL will give me nice 1280x1024 using xvesa [04:11] I've added mode lines for higher than 800x600 but they don't show up [04:11] edubuntu defaults to using a driver listed as "ati" [04:20] madar: well, that would be the default driver for that card. [04:21] hmm well I'd prefer a better screen resolution and using a framebuffer [04:21] is that possible? [04:22] I added modelines for 1024x768 but it doesn't show up in the gui "screen resolution" tool as an option [04:23] what does that tool read from that it won't even offer my modeline as an option? [04:24] What kind of monitor do you have? [04:24] And if you could paste your xorg.conf file to the pastebin? [04:24] !pastebin [04:24] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [04:28] I appreciate the help but I have to run for a while I'll be back on in an hour or so if you're still here [04:28] thanks sbalneav [04:28] I'll be around [04:28] cheers === supernova [n=supernov@adsl-75-19-73-254.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@98-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:00] !pastebin [05:00] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [05:04] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21938 [05:05] hello sbalneav, I was madar before I'm supernova over hear on the edubuntu box [05:05] that's my xorg.conf file [05:06] over "here" I mean ;) [05:07] I would expect that the dpms option is probably what's mucking you up. [05:07] Either the card isn't passing through the right dpms options, or [05:07] the monitor itself isn't reporting them correctly. [05:07] hold on, let me see if I can suggest something. [05:07] what would you recommend [05:08] comment it out [05:09] no, that wont work :) [05:10] so I see :) [05:13] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21939 [05:14] Replace the monitor section with that, see if it helps any better [05:14] It specifies a good horiz + vertical sync range, it's probably detecting one too low. [05:14] make sure to make a backup copy first [05:15] cp xorg.conf xorg.pre-fiddling === aspekt [n=aspekt@katchoo.bogus.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.208.182.101] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@gateway.korindo.co.id] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [05:28] greetings [05:30] hell [05:30] o [05:30] :-) [05:30] sbalneav: pingy [05:30] Hey laserjock [05:31] I'm hacking as we speak. [05:31] ah cool [05:31] how does it look? [05:31] Umm, how were you planning on creating /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/users//application.menu? [05:32] /usr/share<...>'s all owned by root :( [05:32] that's done by update_menus [05:33] which, your update menus? [05:33] edubuntu-update-menus you mean? [05:34] update_menu function in edubuntu-update-menus [05:34] right, problem is, in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, you're not running as root [05:34] You're running as the user [05:34] oh, that's right [05:34] so creating a file in a root-owned directory's going to cause a problem. [05:34] :) [05:35] No worries. [05:35] I was thinking of the admin running it manually [05:35] but you're right [05:35] I'm hacking it so that the menu's created in ${HOME}/.edubuntu-menus/application.menu [05:35] I don't think ogra's going to like that [05:36] :/ [05:36] he wants it out of ~/ but maybe we can discuss that [05:37] Hmmm, unless he wants it to be totally an admin function. If that's the case, it's fine then, other than the fact that there's no point in trying to run it in 25.... [05:37] because the user won't be able to update it anyway. [05:37] yeah [05:37] we would have to seperate out using from updating [05:38] Right. [05:38] I had hoped to make it all automatic [05:38] The 25... rc script would just check for the existance of the menu, and if it's there, then set the environment variable. [05:38] the update would have to be run by root to create the user menus. [05:39] right [05:39] so maybe a cron job or something [05:39] Which, like I say, is fine, if that's what's intended. [05:39] Absolutely [05:39] well, that would sort of simplify things [05:39] I guess I need to think like an admin ;-) [05:40] hmmm [05:40] hmmmmm [05:40] hmmmmmmmm [05:40] I was sort of thinking it was important to be able to immediatly have the menu active [05:40] as soon as the user was added to the group === sbalneav 's brain is forming an idea === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.208.182.101] has left #edubuntu ["Auf] === LaserJock tries to take a peak into Scotty's brain [05:42] Not sure if this will work. [05:42] "hello, anybody home?" [05:42] Here's the core of the idea [05:42] What if you simply made one BIG merged file, with all the possible group menus in it. [05:43] Pointed everyone at that. [05:43] then, the included menu files... [05:43] were chmod 640, with the group ownership the same as the group name... [05:43] so... [05:43] chem.menu is owned root, chem, mode 640 [05:44] Anyone in the chem group will be able to read it. [05:44] anyone NOT in the chem group, wont. [05:44] The question is, will the menu system quietly not include the ones you don't have read access to? [05:45] Or, will it barf all over the place because you're including a file you can't read. [05:45] well, the bigger question is: [05:45] what if you belong to more than one group [05:45] I think it will jut pick the first applications.menu it finds [05:45] Thats easy, then you get a merged menu. (i think). [05:45] Lets test this little theory, shall we? :) [05:46] I tested it before [05:46] Oh, did you? [05:46] and it just picked up the first one [05:46] but I didn't test it the same way [05:46] I say try it [05:46] OK, gimme 5 minutes to test my insane theory [05:47] np, I'm eyeing a wild fire that has started near my house :/ === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.103.176] has joined #edubuntu [05:49] ack! [05:49] thats no good [05:50] Lightning strike? [05:50] LaserJock: Stop playing with those lasers! ;-P [05:50] sbalneav: not sure [05:50] but it's probably ~1 mile or so away but the breeze is in this direction [05:50] Ugh [05:50] bddebian: "It wasn't me, honest" ;-) [05:51] yeah, this is the closest fire I've seen since moving here [05:51] and we have a lot of fires here [05:53] I have a newbie question if anyone has time...? [05:53] aspekt: just put it out there [05:53] :-) [05:54] I am running ubuntu but would like my children to have access to edubuntu - is there a script or similar to upgrade [sidegrade] to edubuntu? [05:55] you could install edubuntu-desktop [05:55] it would pull in the dependecies so that it would look like edubuntu [05:55] but if there are only a couple apps in particular that they would be interested in you might be better of just installing them directly [05:55] ah OK and that will keep the underlying stuff I already have? [05:55] yeah [05:56] it shouldn't replace anything [05:56] cool - thats great. thanks [05:56] just look over what it wants to do before you hit the "apply" button [05:56] or whatever [05:57] OK - i will do. [now that I have the gui back after the *update*] [05:57] heh [05:57] where are the fires? not in greece? [05:57] no, US [05:57] oh OK [05:57] Reno, Nevada to be more accurate [05:57] best of luck then [05:58] it'd have to cross a lot of water to get to greece [05:58] :-) [05:58] they have some bad ones there of their own [05:58] not fun [05:59] yeah - I have just moved to Sydney and I am not looking forward to the summer fires here [06:07] sbalneav: did it work? or did you fry your machine? [06:07] heh, still hacking. Not doing what I'm wanting. [06:08] How's the fire? [06:08] bail if it gets too close. [06:08] We need you. [06:08] I'll be hacking to the end! [06:08] ;-) [06:09] really, I think probably a cron job and the ability for the sysadmin to run a sudo edubuntu-menus-update would be pretty good [06:12] More than likely. [06:13] I just want to exhaust this posibility, because it will get both what you want (instant update) and what ogra wants (no nothing in user home dirs) [06:13] yeah [06:14] well, would it be a really big no no to make the user's /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/users/ dir writable for them? === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:51] LaserJock: ping [06:51] yeah? [06:51] ok, how about this: [06:51] so... [06:52] hold on, lemme get a terminal into the other box... [06:52] Umm, join me in #xdg-menu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-152-07.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:39] hello [08:39] hey RichEd [08:40] hi Burgundavia ... how's the land of maple leaves ... autumn setting in ? [08:40] not yet [08:40] August is still end of summer [08:41] oh ... 'cos cape town is springing ... mulberries already ripening on the trees [08:43] quick question for you that Will and I were pondering ... in a multi-seat desktop solution, how does a "software solution work" ... how do you get the extra monitors & keyboard & mice running off the single CPU ... what are we missing in the picture ? [08:43] we use virtualized X [08:44] What's your site url again ? I better read up. [08:46] userful.com [08:46] desktop-multiplier is part of multiverse in dapper === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd will ready up on those ... [08:48] hi LaserJock :) [08:48] hi RichEd [08:48] hye LaserJock === highvoltage LASERSHOCK [08:49] hehe [08:55] hello highvoltage : got schalk's email address for me ? minutes going out this morning. [09:00] hi RichEd [09:00] sure, schalk@inkululeko.co.za [09:00] RichEd: he missed his flight on Friday :) [09:01] Thanks & Oops ... not my fault I hope ? Did he get manage to get off later on Friday ? [09:03] no, not your fault. yes he got a later one at 4 [09:06] highvoltage: pygi is still trying to get a hold of you [09:06] and hello [09:07] hello Burgundavia :) [09:07] I ponged him last night, but it seems I missed him again, which is strange, since we're in the same timezone [09:08] i suppose e-mail works better for certain things === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:09] indeed [09:09] mornin all [09:09] morning cbx33 [09:09] cbx33: got my messages last night? [09:09] highvoltage: possibly not? [09:10] I got one about you being connected for a whole minute? [09:11] heh, yes, that was the last message === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-157-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:14] vote: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/survey.html [09:16] Mornin RichEd [09:16] hi cbx33 ... how was the bank holiday ? [09:17] yeh was great [09:17] just blogging about it now [09:17] Went to the Southsea kite festival :D === cbx33 is into sports kites [09:18] http://progbox.co.uk/~cbx33co/?q=node/40 [09:18] I got my new kite on Sunday - and Ultra Light version, that's the purple one.... [09:19] I do the guys website who makes them, so he gives me a kite every now and then, bearing in mind they cost about 300 each hehehehehe [09:19] :) fair exchange [09:20] indeed, we totalled up the cost of his site [09:20] 5,000 [09:20] so far [09:21] cbx33: nice blog, you should get it on ubuntu planet [09:21] highvoltage: I tried [09:21] nobody replied [09:21] did you e-mail jeff or the RT? [09:21] jdub [09:21] it's best to e-mail rt for that [09:22] they'll sort it out quickly [09:22] ahh ok [09:22] you got a mail address? [09:22] cbx33: adding to planet is now a thing you can do yourself [09:22] there is a page on the wiki [09:22] oh cool [09:22] ok I'll check that out [09:22] you don't happen to have a link do you? [09:23] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu [09:24] ool [09:24] +c [09:26] I'll have to do that at home [09:26] I don't have sftp access here [09:26] how OT can my blog be? [09:26] should I only send through linux stuff [09:26] as you can see I blog about other rubbish too [09:27] mine is mostly offtopic but mostly about LInux [09:27] planet ubuntu is about people, not neccesarily ubuntu [09:28] cbx33: afaik you can blog about whatever you want [09:28] cbx33: but personally i would urge you not to blog about cats [09:31] cats? [09:31] why not cats? [09:32] there are too many cat blogs already :) [09:32] eheheh [09:32] well it won't be about cats [09:33] kites + linux [09:34] highvoltage: but I *love* cute overload! [09:42] Burgundavia: :) === cbx33 is hoping to get a papillion dog soon :p [09:45] Lisa really really wants one [10:22] ping RichEd [10:22] cbx33: already a window open ... go for it [10:23] heheh === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-204-42.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] mornin pygi [11:03] hey pygi [11:14] hi ogra [11:14] moin [11:15] ogra: pessulus does have the ability to have modules [11:15] I'm wondering if we could write a module to achieve what we need [11:15] also http://www.vuntz.net/journal/2006/03/09/364-do-you-want-to-be-a-cool-gnome-contributor [11:16] seems vuntz is looking for a maintainer for pessulus [11:16] well a co-maintainer [11:16] and ? any abitions on your side ? :) [11:20] heheh [11:20] I don;t think I'd be a suitable choice really would I [11:20] I'm not that good at stuff yet [11:20] including constructing large and interesting sentences [11:21] learning by doing ;) [11:22] (to answer with a large and intresting sentence :P) [11:22] :p [11:22] If I can get hold of vuntz I'll ask what needs to be done === scythe [n=scythe@p54AFC8AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [11:23] hi [11:23] the is a version of pessulus integrated into sabayon [11:23] I didn't know that [11:23] they now what to break it out [11:23] so it's seperate [11:23] and a standalone package [11:23] nice [11:23] yeh [11:23] hi scythe [11:23] would be great if it did the things we need [11:23] I looked for docs on the modules in pessulus [11:23] but can't find any [11:24] I wonder if it's likely to be ready for edgy? [11:25] well, it did what i wanted it to do when i tested it ... but only for the current user [11:25] ogra: yes [11:25] that user presumably didn't have the rights to change teh global settings? [11:25] then jdub told me there is a doc how to use that users profile systemwide or for certain users [11:25] hmmm [11:26] we'll probably need to create a SCP dummy user [11:26] but then that means restricting that user [11:26] yeh [11:26] which you would have to loginto to change the pessulus options [11:26] ?? [11:26] make all changes for hi and copy them to the selected users [11:26] *him [11:26] you can just su to him [11:26] not the best solution [11:26] yeh i suppose [11:26] but then [11:26] that's what I was doing with sux [11:27] but graphically [11:27] hmm, we're running on a ltsp server ... [11:27] yes [11:27]