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bddebianHowdy01:09
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rouzicHi01:52
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jcolei get this installing kubuntu -> /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 42: 3: Bad file descriptor02:04
jcolectrl-alt-f2 and killing dpkg lets it continue02:05
jcoleany idea of why this happens?02:05
jcoleoffending line:02:05
jcoleecho "$@" >&302:05
ryanakcamaybe ask in #kubuntu ? this is a ghost town most of the time02:16
crimsunwhich package is dpkg processing when it hits that part of debconf?02:17
jcolegood question... i'm looking02:26
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jcoleca-certificates02:29
jcoleeverytime i hop on freenode for help, i always ending up helping at least 2 people myself, lol02:30
crimsunbug 5773402:30
UbugtuMalone bug 57734 in ca-certificates "ca-certificates returns 127 error in dpkg install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5773402:30
jcolebingo02:31
jcoletath's it02:31
jcolei wonder why it does that02:32
jcolei'll try to isolate it...02:32
crimsunI presume this is on 6.06.1?02:32
jcolemini.iso install02:32
crimsunof 6.06.1, though?02:33
jcoleso, yeah, the latest from the mirrors02:33
crimsunI have no idea whether you're referring to dapper or edgy02:33
jcoledapper02:33
jcolei'm guessing most are now using the livecd to install instead of d-i02:34
crimsunI use d-i (alternate installer, server option)02:35
jcoleya, me too02:37
jcolei like the d-i way cause you always get the latest off the mirrors even with an "older" iso02:38
jcolesmall file to burn for friends02:38
jcolebrb02:41
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jdongGRR, edgy-alternate cd still doesn't work :(03:16
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derekSi am trying to use xdmcp with kdm.... it seems is us configured with ipv6 support instead of v4? (for dapper) is that changed in edgy?05:43
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rouzic_ausenteGood Bye!06:10
derekSanyone?06:22
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robotgeekderekS: pong06:28
derekSrobotgeek: i will c/p my last message06:30
derekS23:42:55 < derekS> i am trying to use xdmcp with kdm.... it seems is us configured with ipv6  support instead of v4? (for dapper) is that changed in edgy?06:31
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derekSrobotgeek: haha06:31
derekSor at least is there a fix for dapper :)06:32
seaLneyou have removed -nolisten tcp or what ever its called?06:34
seaLnekd@lap-loan4:~$ grep -R nolisten /etc/kde3 /etc/X11/xinit/06:36
seaLne/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc:ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp06:36
seaLne/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp06:36
derekShmm no i didn't 06:37
derekSlemme try that06:37
seaLneits been ages since i used xdmcp and can't remember whether thats needed, but might be a problem06:37
derekSshould i do that on both or just one?06:38
seaLnenot sure, this may actually have nothing to do with it, i'm just guessing06:40
derekSseaLne: it didn't work :)06:41
derekSudp6       0      0 *:xdmcp                 *:*06:42
derekSit *is* listening06:42
derekSjust on udp6 instead of regular udp06:42
seaLneah06:42
seaLnewhat do you have uncommented in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess ?06:43
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derekS*               CHOOSER BROADCAST       #any indirect host can get a chooser06:44
derekS*                                       #any host can get a login window06:44
derekSseaLne: is that right?06:47
seaLnelooks about right06:48
seaLneunfortunatly i'm trying to get ready for work just now so don't really have time to properly look at it06:51
derekSno worries06:52
seaLnederekS: can you file a bug on launchpad.net and i'll look at it later?06:52
derekSseaLne: hmm sure06:52
derekSlemme see if there is already one :)06:52
seaLnehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+filebug if there isn't06:52
derekSkdebase or kdm?06:54
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seaLnekdm is part of kdebase06:54
derekSahh gotcha :)06:54
derekS(trying to figure out how to search :))06:55
seaLnehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=xdmcp&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=06:57
yuriyhaven't tried edgy in a few days - new kdm is wonderful06:57
derekSseaLne: i am looking, haven't seen any bugs that are the same06:58
seaLnenope06:59
derekSok, i will file06:59
seaLnei assume everything else ipv4 is fine07:00
derekSi think? i can't use it07:02
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seaLneyou have an ipv4 ip?07:04
derekSoh yeah07:05
derekShaha07:05
derekSi thouhgt you meant with xdmcp07:05
seaLnejust checking you wern't ipv6 only :)07:06
seaLne05:42 < derekS> udp6       0      0 *:xdmcp                 *:* <- was that just grepping for xdmcp?07:06
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derekSbug fialed07:07
derekSyeah07:07
derekS*filed07:07
seaLneok Bug #5807107:11
UbugtuMalone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5807107:11
derekSyeah07:13
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abattoirRiddell: hi... around?08:55
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Hobbseehi all09:23
HobbseeLure: what did you do last night?  any really cool changes in ksmserver?09:23
LureHobbsee: why? just added Suspend/Hibernate to logout09:23
HobbseeLure: i dont know, was curious :)09:24
Hobbseecool!09:24
LureHobbsee: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7796/logoutfb7.png09:24
Hobbseehmm @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/5212609:26
UbugtuMalone bug 52126 in kubuntu-meta "unattended-upgrades needs manual configuration" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  09:26
HobbseeLure: nice :)09:26
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Hobbseehehe09:37
Hobbseegood luck!09:37
Hobbseehi Tonio__!09:37
Tonio__yop Hobbsee09:38
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rouzic_ausentealegrate, /me ha vuelto09:58
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LureRiddell: did you have time to look into my kdebase debdiff?10:28
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insanekanehi Hobbsee10:34
Hobbseehey insanekane 10:34
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RiddellLure: which was that?11:02
LureRiddell: sent you e-mail last night/morning - ksmserver patch for suspend/resume in Logout dialog11:04
LureRiddell: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7796/logoutfb7.png11:04
Riddellooh, funky11:05
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rouzicWoww, Great Logout dialog :D11:37
Riddellwell, it's getting to too many buttons like that, having an improved layout would be col to, but one step at a time11:38
omeowHibernate is funny on windows.11:38
omeowYou have to press and hold shift, then the shutdown button changes into a hibernate button.11:39
omeow(and clicking it actually does put your machine into hibernation!)11:39
Hobbseetrue11:40
omeowAnd one more thing, to whoever added those grey play buttons like pause, refresh etc, you suck!11:40
Lureomeow: this are placeholders until kwwii suggests something better11:40
RiddellLure: there's a mockup on the artwork page11:41
Lureomeow: but I can imagine that action icons for suspend/hibernate is not something that obvious11:41
omeowWell, I think the icon for hibernation is fairly ok. Cylinders are usually associated with databases, are they not?11:42
danimoomeow: you don't have to. you can just press shutdown and select hibernate from the upcoming dialog11:43
omeowIsn't there a harddrive icon with a down arrow? That would put things into perspective. (But it might also look ugly)11:43
RiddellLure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png11:43
omeowdanimo, that so? I searched the helpfile for hibernate and that's what it told me to do.11:43
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omeowYou know what those buttons remind me of? An electrical stove. 11:44
omeowI love the rest though. 11:45
omeowEspecially the current login screen is amazing.11:45
danimoomeow: yes, at least on XP11:45
omeowdanimo, that was what I was talking about.11:45
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fritschHobbsee: I have a problem with amarok, it hangs after a period of time. i have mailed with imbrandon yesterday and he aksed me to file a bug report at amarok.kde.org11:47
Hobbseefritsch: yep, and?11:47
fritschHobbsee: I did so. recompiled their sources with debugging symbols11:47
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fritschHobbsee: because i could not get the debian package one to include the symbols11:48
fritschHobbsee: but now, i wait for the "hang" since several hours :-(11:48
Hobbseeheh11:48
Hobbseeheisenburg bugs like that are fun :P11:48
fritschHobbsee: nothing hangs with the pure source compiled, but with same configure parameters as in the /debian/rules11:48
fritschHobbsee: so my question: what patches in the kubuntu version could break things for me11:49
Hobbseefritsch: probably ask imbrandon about it.  and any of the patches in debian/patches could11:49
fritschHobbsee: i have 3 Computers, on is a smp and here it crashes11:49
fritschHobbsee: okay thx, i will mail him ... but for being really sure i will wait 2 hours playing my music in amarok11:50
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LureRiddell: nice, the problem is I am not the GUI guy (never did one) - my skills are limited to add a button here and button there ;-)11:50
RiddellLure: sure, stuff like that is non trivial since it's not using the normal qt widgets11:50
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kwwii_Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/amarok_edgy.tar.gz12:54
Riddellkwwii_: I'm onto it01:01
kwwii_Riddell: I also changed the color for the katapult link, how should I send it to you? (I changed the rgb value in two places in one cpp file)01:02
kwwii_would a diff be best?01:02
Riddellkwwii_: yes, diff -u is best01:03
kwwii_cool, I am building it now, after which I will test it...when I feel it is done I'll let you know01:03
Riddellok01:04
Riddellkwwii_: uploaded kubuntu-default-settings with01:05
Riddell   * KDM theme fixes from Ken Wimer01:05
Riddell   * New Konqueror background from Ken Wimer01:05
Riddell   * Add Edgy amarok theme01:05
Riddelland kwin-style-crystal with * Improved close buttons from Ken Wimer01:05
Hobbseenice :)01:05
kwwii_Riddell: groovy :-)01:07
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Hobbseetech board in a few hours.  hmmm.01:23
Riddellanything interesting happening?01:26
Riddellwe should organise another kubuntu meeting01:26
Riddellnext wednesday anyone?01:26
Hobbseethursday01:26
Hobbseeif you want me there01:26
HobbseeRiddell: no idea01:26
HobbseeRiddell: i'm not asking for anything there, that i know of01:26
RiddellHobbsee: thursday 21:00UTC?01:28
HobbseeRiddell: are we talking about the one in 2 days time, or in 9?01:28
imbrandonmoins Riddell / Hobbsee / kwwii ( and anyone else lurking ) 01:28
imbrandonthurs is fine with me ( anytime )01:28
Hobbseeany thursday, 2100 UTC is fine here.01:29
imbrandonwell any day/time is as long as i know ahead of time hehe01:29
Hobbseeas long as it's thursday01:29
Hobbsee(damn those 9am classes)01:29
RiddellHobbsee: 9 days I was thinking01:30
HobbseeRiddell: cool, okay :)01:30
Riddellhi im01:30
Riddellimbrandon:01:30
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imbrandonhehe01:34
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LureRiddell: new powermanager icons are too bright (green) - it hurts my eyes ;-)01:35
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RiddellLure: I agree01:36
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imbrandon02:28
omeowDear christ how much longer is it going to take? =( 02:36
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Hobbseeomeow: w.r.t what?02:38
omeowhuh?02:39
Hobbseew.r.t = with respect to02:41
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imbrandonAGAIN02:44
imbrandonomeow: i told you it would take some time, in your words "dear christ if you need them download them"02:45
omeowhehe02:46
omeowI'm just very very impatient since this problem is quite annoying and I'm a bit scared that downloading the nvidia driver manually is going to fuck things up later when the package is actually released.02:47
imbrandonomeow: then dont and wait, either way its very disconcering to hear you bitching about it the DAY after i told you it would take a ~week02:47
imbrandonsee my point ?02:48
omeowSure sure. But I was kindof hoping to see that driver pop-up almost as soon as it was released. 02:49
imbrandonomeow: not when there are other priorities like knot2 and big bugs like laptops over heating  AND you are using a development version02:50
imbrandonanyhow 02:50
imbrandonthis is a mute point ....02:50
imbrandonRiddell: how can i go from not-in-debian to main ? is it possible ?02:51
omeowYes, I was thinking that running the development version would speed up the appearance of that driver. 02:51
imbrandonomeow: no running the development version lets to help fix bugs , thats all02:51
imbrandonjesus why am i argueing with you , we dont even mess with the kernel in here02:52
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omeowhehe, you're frustrated because of me venting. =P02:52
omeowGood luck with the ignore function, it should work properly now. :)02:52
imbrandoni'm not gonna igore you but stifle it please 02:53
omeowsure02:53
omeowMy apologies. 02:53
imbrandonor bug someone that can /DO/ something02:53
imbrandon02:53
omeowAnd who would that be?02:53
imbrandonthose than handel the kernel lrm stuff, i'll leave that to an excersise for you, but i can bet they are in the kubuntu room 02:54
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imbrandons/are/arent02:54
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imbrandonhaha i got some Vista pre-RC1 "beta" ivites in my email, there is no way i'm downloading 4.5 gigs of windows , esp when THEY lable it pre-RC1 and i consider the final product Beta ;P03:04
Hobbseethat would be kinda interesting.  just to see03:05
imbrandoni installed beta2 , its nasty03:06
imbrandonits basicly a skinned , slow XP03:06
imbrandonimho03:06
Hobbseeheh, right03:06
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imbrandoni can give you the download code if you wanna take the time to download 4.5 gig minimal install hehe03:07
imbrandonheh03:07
nixternalimbrandon: i filled out some survey on a MS India website, and they are sending me some Vista discs ;)03:07
imbrandonnixternal: yea i got them today, thats hwat i was saying03:08
imbrandonbu they will collect dust03:08
nixternalhaha03:08
nixternali am making a disc lamp, so they will look purty sittin' on top ;)03:08
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Riddellimbrandon: hmm?03:14
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Riddellyeah, package qtnx03:22
jdonglol03:23
jdongHobbsee: make powersaved use acpi-support scripts :)03:23
imbrandonRiddell: libmtp from not in debian ( its on mentors.debian.net but it badly need to be re-debianized its very ugly ) into main03:23
Hobbseenooo!03:23
Hobbseewhat's qtnx?03:23
imbrandonbtw how longs it normaly take pitti to review main inclusion , ipodslave is still in the queue03:24
RiddellHobbsee: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2006/08/27/qtnx-and-nxproxy03:24
gnomefreakim assuming its the nx package seveas has in his repo for kde03:24
imbrandonHobbsee: a qt nx client ? hehe03:24
Riddellimbrandon: why main?03:24
Riddellgnomefreak: got a url to that?03:24
imbrandonso amarok can support mtp based mp3 players03:25
gnomefreakyesh give me a min to find it03:25
Riddellimbrandon: upload it in the normal way and main inclusion report03:25
imbrandonk03:25
gnomefreaki think his is free nx03:25
gnomefreakbut not sure03:25
imbrandonyea ipod == 75% of the market mtp based players are the other 24% ( 1% weird crap )03:26
jdongRiddell: are there plans for *nx in Edgy?03:26
imbrandonRiddell: ^^03:26
Riddelljdong: I plan to get qtnx packaged03:26
jdongare there plans to get seveas's freenx packages into universe?03:26
imbrandonseveas dosent have qtnx i dont think03:26
imbrandononly freenx03:26
jdongright, but having freenx in edgy is not a bad idea :)03:27
gnomefreakhttp://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/dists/dapper-seveas/  it looks different03:27
Riddellthat'll be freenx indeed03:29
gnomefreaki would like to get the e17 packages Hawkwind  hass in is repo in atleast multiverse03:29
gnomefreaki know thats not possible because it wont be stable anytime son03:29
gnomefreaksoon03:29
Riddellwhy multiverse?03:29
gnomefreakRiddell: unstable as it is i dont think main or universe would be good03:30
Riddellmultiverse is about licencing not stability03:30
imbrandongnomefreak: well multiverse is for lic issues not stbility03:30
imbrandonhahahah Riddell 03:30
gnomefreakrepo = stable but e17 devels are not gonna release it by oct03:30
Riddelle17 is going to be released??!03:31
gnomefreakyes i know but due to stablity would it be good to throw in universe or main?03:31
imbrandonhehe03:31
gnomefreakRiddell: as far as i know it will in like 16 years ;) j/k03:31
sebasThey'll rename it to "enlightenment forever" first.03:32
imbrandoni can get seveas's nx packages and get them ready for universe right now, Hobbsee are you gonna touch qtnx ? if not i'll do it along with the batch03:32
gnomefreaki dont think it will happen any time soon. they dont have any info on when03:32
Hobbseeimbrandon: go for it03:32
imbrandonkk 03:32
imbrandongives me something todo besides look at amarok bugs and my mac lol03:33
Hobbseehehe03:33
Riddellimbrandon: I've bounced you the e-mail from the qtnx author03:37
Hobbseesigh.  i keep walking off the edge of the darn cliffs.03:38
imbrandonok cool , i was just lookig for the gcc4 patch too, is that still needed or do you know ?03:38
Riddellimbrandon: for what?03:39
imbrandonRiddell: looking at the comments on that page .... quote 03:39
imbrandon#03:39
imbrandonnukeedit03:39
imbrandonGeorge Wright said about 6 hours later:03:39
imbrandonYou need a patch for nxcomp to compile using gcc 4. Search the freenx-knx mailing list for it.03:39
Riddellimbrandon: joy.  I've not seen that03:41
imbrandonheh its on the comments of http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2006/08/27/qtnx-and-nxproxy03:42
imbrandoni'll see if i can track it down03:42
RiddellGeorge is on #kde-devel if you need to ping him03:43
imbrandonor maybe seveas has it 03:43
imbrandonok i'm there too03:43
imbrandonjust idle lol03:43
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imbrandonhrm is that svn for freenx actualy qtnx ?03:44
imbrandonor is qtnx built from freenx, i'm slightly confused on the naming here03:44
imbrandoni know how it works, infact i have a freenx server setup on voyager and enterprise right now03:44
imbrandonbut this naming has be a bit thrown03:45
bddebianMorning03:45
imbrandonheya bddebian03:45
imbrandonRiddell: ^03:45
bddebianHeya imbrandon03:45
imbrandonahhh nvm i got it03:46
Riddellimbrandon: qtnx is a client, it's source is in the freenx svn03:46
imbrandonright03:47
imbrandoni just cought that03:47
imbrandonokies03:47
imbrandoni was just a bit thrown for a minute03:47
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LureRiddell: kwin-crystal does not build: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/23992903:57
RiddellLure: fooey03:58
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Riddellel: are you on dapper or edgy these days?03:59
elRiddell, here on dapper, i have an edgy available03:59
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elhi Hobbsee :)03:59
elRiddell, oh - i just realise: if it's power management better for dapper. the other one is a desktop04:01
danimohi el04:01
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elhey danimo :)04:01
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Riddellel: ok04:02
elRiddell, thanks04:03
imbrandonRiddell: wow after reading this, do we realy want it, i mean it depends on the old nx server and wont connect to the new ( 2.0 ones ) and dosent support anything but the freenx public key atm04:03
Riddellimbrandon: quite possibly we don't04:04
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Luresebas: ping04:06
Luresebas: kpm from svn does this instead of tooltip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21980 (no time to debug on my own)04:07
sebasLure: What's your battery status?04:08
sebasi.e. charged, charging, discharging?04:08
Luresebas: charging state:          charged04:09
sebas(This is the fine thing about debugging the powermanagement / HAL stuff, everything depends on the state of battery, lid, whatever.04:09
sebasOk, makes sense. I'll fix it.04:09
Luresebas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2198104:09
Luresebas: yes, it looks to mi similar as Display module and xorg.conf (as Sime did for Dapper) ;-)04:10
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alleeHobbsee: w-w-w-why?04:14
alleeHobbsee: w-w-w-where?04:14
Hobbsee+    Thx Hobbsee for reminding me (again and again :).04:15
Hobbseeallee ^ :P04:15
alleeSomething wrong with it? :)04:15
Hobbseeallee: no, not at all.  i was amused :)04:15
sebassvn up, Lure?04:16
Luresebas: yes please 04:16
Luresebas: At revision 57851704:17
alleeHobbsee: next time I tell the truth: s/Thx/Argl/ s/reminding/pokes with a stick/04:17
Hobbseeallee: ROFL!04:17
sebasLure: I've just committed a fix in 18 :)04:17
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Riddellel: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060829-0ubuntu1_i386.deb04:44
Riddellel: although most of your user interface changes havn't been implemented yet04:44
elRiddell, thanks - i'll have a look04:45
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Luresebas: fix works, thanks!04:46
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ryanakcais there anything KDE that needs packaging? or can I just look around on kde-app and find something?04:59
Riddellryanakca: some ideas on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu05:02
sebasRiddell: Thanks for the package, I'll do some more polishing and ask you to repackage, so we can have another round of testing from more people 05:02
Riddellryanakca: let us know before you start, someone else might already be working on it05:02
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=== Hobbsee does some of the evil gnome merges.
Riddellsebas: cool05:05
kwwii_Riddell: did you hear that the o2 theme for katapult was taken care of by Mez?05:07
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Riddellkwwii_: yes, he /msged me a patch05:09
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trappistcould someone have a look at bug #39268 - I put a patch, but it's kinda hacky due to my lack of C++.  Should make it easier for someone else to fix correctly, though.05:19
UbugtuMalone bug 39268 in kdepim "Cannot post in newsgroups" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3926805:19
alleeHobbsee: knemo in main?  apt-cache policy says universe05:26
Hobbseeallee: debian main05:26
Hobbseeallee: they're requesting all this for the new syncing policy05:26
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Hobbseeso i've been lazy, and using that :P05:26
HobbseeRiddell: want to check out https://launchpad.net/bugs/52126  ?05:27
UbugtuMalone bug 52126 in kubuntu-meta "unattended-upgrades needs manual configuration" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  05:27
HobbseeRiddell: mvo says it's a kubuntu bug05:27
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Hobbseeyay, klic builds again05:28
RiddellHobbsee: that looks like it should be closed, changing it would break distros that have it installed by default05:30
RiddellI wonder why ubuntu has it by default and we don't05:30
Riddellused by unattended-upgrades05:30
HobbseeRiddell: did you want the honours?05:30
Riddellused by update-manager05:30
RiddellHobbsee: ok05:30
imbrandongah i think dash is breaking limewire/frostwire too grrr05:30
imbrandonhrm maybe not , dosent work in bash either05:32
imbrandonwhats wrong with this line " potential_java_dirs=(`ls -d1 "$JAVADIR"/j* | sort | tac`) " works in dapper but not edgy ( in a shell script )05:32
imbrandonget the same with runFrost.sh and runLime.sh ( same line as they are both based on the same code )05:33
imbrandonrunFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")05:33
imbrandonguess i should learn bash better05:33
trappistI don't see how the parens are necessary05:34
alleeimbrandon: strange construct.05:34
alleeimbrandon: should work without ()05:34
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imbrandonallee i have no idea, this is the first time ive tried frostwire since the upgrade05:35
trappistdoesn't work in dash on the shell here either05:35
imbrandonbut i thought it was a dash/bash issue as its a #!/bin/sh script05:35
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trappistimbrandon: /bin/sh is dash on edgy05:35
trappistoh nm05:36
imbrandontrappist: i know 05:36
alleeimbrandon: well () creates a subshell, but ` ` does too.  So I never used and saw (` `)05:36
trappistimbrandon: it does work in bash (on the shell) and I can't *imagine* where it gets 'expectiong "}"'.  looks like a dash issue to me.05:36
imbrandonwhat i'm saying is ok .... it works in dapper unchanged, in edgy it fails on that line BUT if i run "bash runFrost.sh" and change the top line it dosent work either05:36
imbrandonallee ok i'll try without 05:37
alleeimbrandon: x=`echo one two; echo three`; echo $x # does what it should05:37
trappistimbrandon: does it fail the same way?  it fails here in bash if JAVADIR is empty05:37
trappist(because /j* doesn't exist)05:37
imbrandon#!/bin/bash  changing it to that yes it fails the same way05:38
imbrandonahh but05:39
allee(edgy)root@allee:~# x=`echo one two; echo three`; echo $x05:39
alleeone two three05:39
allee(edgy)root@allee:~# x=(`echo one two; echo three`); echo $x05:39
alleeone05:39
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~$ /bin/bash /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh  <-- that works soooo05:39
imbrandonwhy dosent #!/bin/bash05:40
Hobbseeright, night al05:40
Hobbseel05:40
imbrandonnight Hobbsee05:40
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alleenite Hobbsee 05:40
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=== allee ducks
imbrandonallee yea i know the resoning , but it would be easier just to change the script to use bash instead of patching it and chaging all the code and THEN convincing upstream of those projects to do the same05:41
Hobbseehehe05:41
imbrandon@lart 22 Hobbsee05:41
imbrandondoh 05:41
HobbseeRiddell: you could probably drop wlassistant, come to think of it.  and knemo.  both are more or less depreciated with knm05:42
Hobbseeno idea if that'd help or not05:42
imbrandonso really my question is why is it not using #!/bin/bash when specified at the top of the script allee / trappist05:42
trappistimbrandon: I wonder if it gets cached.  try running it without prepending /bin/bash again?05:43
alleeimbrandon: good question05:43
abattoirRiddell: hi... are you there?05:43
Riddellhi abattoir 05:43
abattoirRiddell: you got my mail(and does the 're' issue still present?)05:44
abattoir?05:44
Hobbseejjesse: kubuntu meeting, next thursday, 2100utc - can you make it?05:44
alleeimbrandon: from all I know it should do the same.05:44
imbrandonhah hrm trappist your right05:44
alleeimbrandon: you run it from same dir?05:44
imbrandonnow it works without it, seemed cached05:44
Riddellabattoir: I've not looked at it again05:44
omeowI love the new KDM theme. :) Too bad I won't be seeing it much.05:44
imbrandonallee its in the path05:44
trappistawesome, that was a wild-ass guess :)05:44
imbrandontrappist: yea thats nuts LOL05:44
abattoirRiddell: oh, ok, because it works here... and could you tell me at which step the GTK frontend fails?05:45
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imbrandonwell anyhow looks like i need to patch both of those packages atleaste , man this move to dash has been biting me in the arse the last few days05:45
imbrandonlittle stuff keeps creeping up here and there05:45
Riddellabattoir: the last one, different (GUI) error, can't remember what not05:46
Riddellnow05:46
abattoirRiddell: ok, no problem, if you have the time later, please tell me05:46
Riddellabattoir: did you sync the .bzr directory?05:46
abattoirRiddell: regarding bzr, someone at #bzr told me just copying it online would work... :-\05:46
Riddellabattoir: you need to remember the .bzr directory05:47
abattoirRiddell: i'll look into it and fix it, but if you want the latest file, it already is there...05:47
alleeimbrandon: run it as: /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh05:47
imbrandonalleeyea it works that way05:47
abattoirRiddell: you'd have to fetch it manually though :P... will work on it05:47
alleeimbrandon: good.  I relax.05:47
imbrandon05:48
alleeimbrandon: search for $0 games played in the script05:48
alleeimbrandon: looks like the script assumes that $0 contains full path05:48
imbrandonyea looks like it05:48
imbrandonokies off to the store, bbiab05:50
imbrandonthanks allee / trappist , and i'll fix those up later tonight05:50
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imbrandonhehe05:51
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ryanakcaAnyone packaging "KnowIt"?05:58
Hobbseeryanakca: yeah, arbiter05:59
ryanakcakk05:59
=== Hobbsee reviewed that last night :P
=== Hobbsee was in a nitpicky mood - good for reviewing
ryanakcalol05:59
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DaSkreechNight HobbSee06:00
Riddellryanakca: if you want to clean out that Canidates page that would be cool06:00
ryanakcawhich one? I cleaned out the main one in July... it was messy... 06:01
Hobbseeor just fix the bugs in the rest of the archive :P06:01
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viper550Hello everyone!06:29
kwwii_hi viper55006:30
kwwii_Riddell: just sent you a diff for katapult, let me know what you think.06:31
Riddellthanks06:31
viper550So, just wondering if you tried my tweaks for the buttons06:31
DaSkreechRiddell: Oh good job on the spelling catalog06:33
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imbrandon06:41
Riddellhmm, no e-mail from kwwii_ yet06:41
kwwii_just take this: http://bootsplash.org/imagedisplay.diff06:43
Riddellthanks06:44
danimokwwii_: dude, not, please06:45
alleekwwii_: can't this color be derived from a color setting in current theme?06:45
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imbrandonRiddell, allee, kwwii_ , or someone that will actualy help benifet kubuntu , woudl you like my private beta key for Vista , i'm honestly not gonna use it, i have no intrest06:48
imbrandoni'll forward them my mail06:48
kwwii_imbrandon: I only have ppcs06:52
imbrandon06:52
kwwii_allee: no, we cannot use that color, as it is normally shown on a light bg color06:52
kwwii_katapult uses a transparent pic06:52
kwwii_which is dark06:52
Riddellimbrandon: could do06:52
imbrandonheh yea i forgot i was in the MS beta program and got the key/download today , so i thought i would offer it to soeone whom might actualy use it, as i wont bother to even download it06:52
kwwii_danimo: don't worry, I am still testing other colors06:52
imbrandonok Riddell i'll forward you the mail with the download / key 06:53
ryanakcais ctrl - alt - + / ctrl - alt - -  disabled for some reason?06:53
danimokwwii_: nah, I mean why not use the system colors?06:53
alleeimbrandon: I've no plans to play with vista06:53
danimokwwii_: i.e. a fitting QColorGroup member06:53
kwwii_danimo: as I just mentioned, it does not work06:53
danimough?06:54
danimokwwii_: what happens?06:54
danimothey prolly messed with their palettes06:54
kwwii_colors that are picked for a light background will never match to a half transparent dark background06:54
danimoah06:54
kwwii_it was blue, but I can barely see it on my monitor06:55
imbrandonRiddell: you got mail(tm) 06:55
imbrandonheh06:55
alleekwwii_: isn't there some kind of algorithm that make such a dark col. out of a 'standard color'06:55
kwwii_so I changed it to orange, but it will probably change again06:55
kwwii_allee: not one that also assures it works well and looks nice06:55
alleekwwii_: then KDE needs another color group member!06:56
imbrandonhehehehe06:56
kwwii_:-)06:57
kwwii_to be honest, that sounds like too much work06:57
kwwii_and katapult is not part of kde base, I think06:58
DaSkreechIt's part of kubuntu-desktop though?06:58
kwwii_yepp06:58
imbrandonDaSkreech: yes, lots of things are part of kubuntu-desktop and not kdebase 06:59
DaSkreechRight I know part of the luv of Kubuntu :)06:59
alleekwwii_: I don't mean patch kdelibs now. But could not hurt to (re?)mind some KDE hackers that there's something missing07:02
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imbrandonhehe07:03
kwwii_allee: dude, it is simply not necessary...to change the pics you have to run a script first07:04
kwwii_and making one more color to set just for that reason seems like overkill07:04
kwwii_there are different themes one can choose from07:04
kwwii_ok, time for a beer with a friend07:05
kwwii_bbl07:05
imbrandonhaha later kwwii_07:07
ryanakcaanybody working on "Kumula"07:08
Riddellryanakca: check revu but I've not heard of it07:09
ryanakcaRiddell: nope, not there, I'll look at / package it tonight...   http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=1199707:09
imbrandonhehe evil python packing, you should have fun07:10
imbrandonnice to see it will be kde/qt4 soon07:10
Riddellcool07:12
_SimeI've never heard of kumula before.07:14
imbrandon_Sime: it looks new, but prety slick if it works as intended 07:14
imbrandonit is one thing kde/linux is lacking realy07:14
imbrandonmmm more food bbiab07:15
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_Simethere is little info on the site about the project and where it came from, and who is producing this.07:16
alleeryanakca: not do discourage you.  IMHO software of this complexity are best only pkg'ed if one uses it.  When a bug report comes it, it's not that easy to verify/confirm it or test a fix without an already running setup.07:21
alleeryanakca: nevertheless a very interesting peace of software07:21
ryanakcaallee: kk, I'll get it setup and run it couple times :)07:26
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ryanakcaI have no use for it, but it looks very interesting...07:27
alleeryanakca: yes  (like kolab ;)07:27
ryanakcakolab?07:27
alleeryanakca: imap/pop/address/calendar server07:28
ryanakcaah07:28
ryanakcabbl07:28
Riddellkwwii_: new katapult look uploaded07:28
nixternalahh, kumula...one of these days with good developers..that could potentially be the opensource solution to goldmine07:28
sebasDid we want the powermanager to be a kcontrol module (and run standalone, as the other guidance tools)?07:32
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imbrandon_ok i'm gonna take the rest of today and just "goof off" so if anyone needs me for anything i'll still be on irc just not working on anyting in particualr ( taking some time to play with kde on osx and watch some tv )08:07
imbrandon_incase anyone cares heheh08:07
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Tonio___yop08:10
Riddellsebas: it should run standalone, no need for it to be a kcontrol module08:11
sebasRiddell: Well, it can do both.08:12
Tonio_hey Riddell, sebas08:13
sebasI suppose if we remove the klaptopdaemon applet, people will miss that in kcontrol^W systemsettings08:13
Riddellsebas: but if it's one there's no need for the other08:13
sebasHi Tonio_  :)08:14
sebasRiddell: Ow, I thought klaptopdaemon would die a painful death finally08:14
Riddellsebas: it already has08:14
sebasThen I don't understand08:14
Riddellsebas: what don't you understand?08:16
sebasThe 08:16
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sebas"there's no need for the other"08:16
Riddellsebas: applications which have a UI don't need a kontrol module on the whole08:16
Riddellkcontrol modules are for when you don't have another UI08:16
sebasAh, getting it.08:17
sebasWhat about the desktop usecase?08:17
RiddellI havn't figured that one out yet :)08:17
sebasI suppose I've to suspend my desktop from the logout dialogue, how do I set it up?08:17
sebasOk.08:17
Riddellwhat needs set up?08:17
sebasGood questions, /me checks.08:18
sebaskb shortcuts, at least (but that's your item :))08:18
Riddellwell keyboard shortcuts is for brightness and generally that's laptop only08:19
sebasI was also thinking about a setting "lock screen after suspend" (although, personally, I don't need it).08:19
sebasOw, no kb shortcuts to hibernate / suspend?08:19
Riddellsebas: lock screen after suspend is dangerous, I know gnome had a problem with that where you could type stuff for an instant before the lock happened08:21
sebasThat08:21
sebascan be worked around, I suppose.08:21
Riddellso hibernate/suspend shortcuts is the only thing to configure, dunno if I care too much if some people can't to that, there's already control-alt-delete08:22
sebasIt's a problem with kdesktoplock being async, one could wait for it to be locked, then suspend.08:22
sebasOk.08:22
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sebasHave fun, take a chinchilla with you, it's fun ;-)08:23
Riddellk3b backported08:23
RiddellseaLne ^^08:23
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seaLneyeah, saw thanks08:29
jdong!info k3b dapper-backports08:33
ubotuk3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB08:33
jdonghmm, ubotu doesn't understand dapper-backports?08:33
seaLnehas it built yet?08:33
jdongdon't think so08:34
jdongbut ubotu responded with something from dapper08:34
jdongdoes it understand dapper-backports/dapper-security/dapper-updates/dapper-proposed?08:34
seaLneyeah i suppose it should have said 16 for backports08:34
Riddellit won't be in the archive yet08:34
jdong!info linux-source-2.6.15 dapper-security08:35
ubotulinux-source-2.6.15: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.15-26.46 (dapper), package size 43476 kB, installed size 43612 kB08:35
jdong!info ktorrent dapper08:35
ubotuktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB08:35
jdong!info ktorrent dapper-backports08:35
ubotuktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB08:35
jdongnope, doesn't do backports08:35
jdongktorrent's been there for a week08:35
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ryanakcacan you rename a package like "11997-kumula-base-1.0.tar.gz" to "kumula-base-1.0.tar.gz"?09:13
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crimsunif you meant kumula-base_1.0.orig.tar.gz , yes.09:17
omeowwieee :)09:18
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imbrandon_ryanakca: might be good to get the tar from the official website too though instead of kde-apps.org ( to make sure its pure/clean ) ..... the XXXXX-<appname> gives it away ;P09:24
ryanakcaimbrandon_: the link on the official website links to the kde-app page09:24
imbrandon_ahhh ok ;)09:24
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MezRiddell: ping09:43
jdonghey, can I poke someone for a ktorrent 2.0.2 package?09:49
jdongfixes data corruption issues, improves download speeds09:49
jdongIMO safe for a UVF exception09:49
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jdongoh Seveas.... make ubotu index dapper-backports :)09:52
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nixternalhmm..kdm login a little broke or what?09:58
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Lurenixternal: I thought it was just me - stripes?09:59
imbrandon_works for me(tm)09:59
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nixternala lot of things Lure09:59
nixternalno imbrandon, it is quite messed up09:59
nixternalone 4 out 4 machines, it is messed up09:59
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nixternalkdm login splash is hosed, as well as the fonts in the login box itself09:59
nixternali have 2 big old ugly power mons too10:00
Lurenixternal: power/battery icon is there because kwwii wanted some negative feedback ;-)10:01
nixternalheh, Lure, i just noticed it changes every time when i hit the kdm login10:01
nixternalhaha, and he quits10:01
nixternali have given kwwii enough negative feedback this week10:01
Lurenixternal: really? I though he was complaining about not getting any negative feedback lately ;-)10:02
nixternalhehe, he was until i let loose yesterday10:02
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Viper550Hello again...10:07
DaSkreechhi10:09
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Viper550Not much going on...10:12
DaSkreechOh No I'm bristling with excitement10:14
DaSkreechzzZZZZ10:14
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Viper550I've got my KDE desktop decked out with the new Kubuntu 6.10 look, nice!10:25
Tm_Tmy edgy desktop still can't start xorg10:26
jjesseTm_T: i had to do an sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in order for mine to work after i upgraded from dapper to edgy10:26
jjessei don't know why but that's how i solved it10:26
Tm_Thehe10:27
Tm_TI'll check it later10:27
Tm_Tjjesse: thanks, maybe that helps (weird problems imo)10:27
jjesseTm_T: i think when i did that it installed some new x.org packages if i recall correctly10:28
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Viper550But to kwii_, I have one last idea that I'm surprised hasn't been implemented in the purplfication of Kubuntu...10:32
imbrandon_you mean kwwii_ ;)10:42
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kwwii_:-)10:44
imbrandon_heya kwwii_  ;)10:44
kwwii_howdy imbrandon, wassup?10:44
kwwii_noticed my konversation blinking red10:45
imbrandon_nadda, just playing arround 10:45
imbrandon_heheh10:45
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Viper550Which film?10:45
jdong_imbrandon_: would you like to pull in a new ktorrent? ;)10:46
jdong_or do some master gods need to ok that first?10:46
imbrandon_theres a newer release than 2.0.1 ?10:46
jdong_2.0.210:46
jdong_released around 46 minutes ago10:46
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imbrandon_ahh ok yea i'll file a uvf here in a few10:46
imbrandon_heh10:46
jdong_imbrandon_ already did10:46
Viper550My extra idea, is to turn on the "Colorize to match desktop Color Scheme" option by default10:47
imbrandon_you filed a uvf ?10:47
jdong_#58139 10:47
jdong_if that's how you file uvf's :)10:47
kwwii_Viper550: V for Vendetta10:47
imbrandon_can you send me the changelog please , and did you mail mdz yet ?10:47
jdong_imbrandon_: no, I just put in the bug ticket. I'm not sure what else I need to do10:47
Viper550Oooh, I've heard great things about that one! Well...enjoy10:47
imbrandon_heh i'll take it from here10:47
imbrandon_bug 5813910:48
UbugtuMalone bug 58139 in ktorrent "UVF exception request ktorrent 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5813910:48
imbrandon_ugh no changelog and such either, ok10:48
jdong_imbrandon_: thanks very much.... they're pretty vague about what they fixed, but I quoted what the guy said on his forums :-/10:48
imbrandon_i'll fix it before i send it to mdz10:49
jdong_k10:49
imbrandon_well in that case you have to troll the svn commits ;)10:49
imbrandon_but i will10:49
jdong_thanks10:49
jdong_the creator says on his forums "This fixes a couple of serious issues, and you should upgrade."10:50
imbrandon_heh yea but a uvf still needs ..... well here lemme show ya 10:51
imbrandon_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF10:51
imbrandon_^^ just fyi, but i'll finish this one up since i did the last 210:52
imbrandon_thanks jdong_ ;)10:52
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jdong_now I'll know for the future :)10:52
=== imbrandon_ noted
Viper550So, think colorizing the main panel might look nicer?10:53
ryanakcaimbrandon_: 2 konversation bugs :)10:55
ryanakcaimbrandon_: where should I send them to? /query you or ???10:56
imbrandon_in 1.0rc1 ? file them bugs.kde.org10:56
imbrandon_and poke #konversation with the bug numbers 10:56
ryanakca0.19+10:57
ryanakcais 0.19+ = 1.0rc1?10:57
imbrandon_yes10:57
ryanakcakk10:58
ryanakcacan you file bugs threw malone? or just view them?10:59
imbrandon_just view10:59
imbrandon_that is not an official package yet, thus needs to be filed upstream10:59
imbrandon_just as sho asked ;)11:00
imbrandon_( and i mentoned on the blog ) heh11:00
ryanakcakk11:00
ryanakcasho?11:00
imbrandon_one of the kde devs11:00
ryanakcaah11:00
imbrandon_err konversation11:00
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Viper550http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 (nice...)11:02
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imbrandon_heh yea we seen that a week or so ago Viper550 , kinda cool11:04
Viper550oh...11:04
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ryanakcaimbrandon_: is it cvs that I report the bug's version as?11:12
seaLnei think that kmenu looks awfull :)11:15
seaLnethe panel is for sticking favourite apps on :)11:16
nixternalim with you there seaLne ;)11:21
nixternalthere is to much to that kmenu11:21
nixternalplus, everything i use opens up at start up in its own location anyways...and if i need another program, alt+f2 is a quick way of getting it11:21
kwwii_Riddell: I'll work on the hwdb pics in the next days...can I install it on dapper?11:24
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kwwii_Riddell: and if possible, I would like to test the systray icons for powermanger...how do I do that?11:26
Lurekwwii_: kde-guidance in edgy includes them11:27
Lureotherwise it is just couple of python scripts from svn11:27
kwwii_Lure: so I need to install edgy first, to test it11:27
Lurekwwii_: no, you can get it on dapper too11:27
kwwii_I will install knot2 on my test ppc anyway11:28
Lurejust grab from svn11:28
kwwii_:-)11:28
Lureit is python so no need to compile (just need pyuic)11:28
Lurekwwii_: just do "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/guidance/powermanager"11:29
Lurecd powermanager11:29
Lure./recompile-ui-files11:30
Lurethen run ./guidance-power-manager.py11:30
kwwii_Lure: tell me that again tomorrow :-) I had a few beers with a friend and am watching a film atm :-)11:31
Lurekwwii_: no pb, just ping me if you need it still...11:31
Lure;-)11:31
alleemhmm, new kdm theme looks cool, but username password labels are hardly readable this the background :(11:33
kwwii_Lure: bash: "pyuic: command not found"11:34
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Lurekwwii_: sorry: apt-get install pyqt-tools11:35
imbrandonkwwii_: ping11:42
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kwwii_imbrandon: pong11:42
imbrandonwhats up with the two diffrent icons in kmail with oxgyen , see: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss13.png11:42
imbrandonheh11:42
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kwwii_imbrandon: not sure what you mean, honestly11:46
imbrandonsee some blue and some brown 11:46
imbrandon?11:46
imbrandonfor all my imap folers , half are blue and half are brown heh11:47
imbrandons/foler/folders11:47
Lureimbrandon: actually it is cool - folders with unread messages are blue ;-)11:48
imbrandonyea but /none/ should be 11:48
imbrandonheh11:48
imbrandonthats what i was getting at11:49
kwwii_no idea11:49
kwwii_in my desktop it works fine :-)11:50
imbrandonheh ok, thought i would ask since they are oxy icon themew11:50
kwwii_my desktop shows them their11:51
kwwii_there11:51
imbrandonwel they are there but some are blue ( unread ) some are brown 11:51
imbrandonsee the screenshot11:51
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Lurekwwii_: btw, thanks for larger menu button in kdm login screen - text now fits nicely11:53
kozzwas just about to say the same thing11:53
Lurekwwii_: I suspect kdm logon is intentionally transparent (and background image is just missing)11:54
Luresebas: wow, lot's of commits... ;-)11:56
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imbrandonRiddell: ping12:01
sebasLure: Yeah, hacking night :>12:06
Luresebas: thanks for hiding brightness controls.12:07
Luresebas: can you also add a rectangle around new lid section?12:07
sebasSure, what title do you propose?12:07
Lurewe would probably need to put keyboard accelerators near, so we could name it Shortcuts (not sure if obvious enough)12:09
Luresebas: btw, brighness is gone for mains, but there is now a slider (now shaded) in battery powered left12:10

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