[01:09] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:52] <rouzic> Hi
[02:04] <jcole> i get this installing kubuntu -> /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 42: 3: Bad file descriptor
[02:05] <jcole> ctrl-alt-f2 and killing dpkg lets it continue
[02:05] <jcole> any idea of why this happens?
[02:05] <jcole> offending line:
[02:05] <jcole> echo "$@" >&3
[02:16] <ryanakca> maybe ask in #kubuntu ? this is a ghost town most of the time
[02:17] <crimsun> which package is dpkg processing when it hits that part of debconf?
[02:26] <jcole> good question... i'm looking
[02:29] <jcole> ca-certificates
[02:30] <jcole> everytime i hop on freenode for help, i always ending up helping at least 2 people myself, lol
[02:30] <crimsun> bug 57734
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57734 in ca-certificates "ca-certificates returns 127 error in dpkg install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57734
[02:31] <jcole> bingo
[02:31] <jcole> tath's it
[02:32] <jcole> i wonder why it does that
[02:32] <jcole> i'll try to isolate it...
[02:32] <crimsun> I presume this is on 6.06.1?
[02:32] <jcole> mini.iso install
[02:33] <crimsun> of 6.06.1, though?
[02:33] <jcole> so, yeah, the latest from the mirrors
[02:33] <crimsun> I have no idea whether you're referring to dapper or edgy
[02:33] <jcole> dapper
[02:34] <jcole> i'm guessing most are now using the livecd to install instead of d-i
[02:35] <crimsun> I use d-i (alternate installer, server option)
[02:37] <jcole> ya, me too
[02:38] <jcole> i like the d-i way cause you always get the latest off the mirrors even with an "older" iso
[02:38] <jcole> small file to burn for friends
[02:41] <jcole> brb
[03:16] <jdong> GRR, edgy-alternate cd still doesn't work :(
[05:43] <derekS> i am trying to use xdmcp with kdm.... it seems is us configured with ipv6 support instead of v4? (for dapper) is that changed in edgy?
[06:10] <rouzic_ausente> Good Bye!
[06:22] <derekS> anyone?
[06:28] <robotgeek> derekS: pong
[06:30] <derekS> robotgeek: i will c/p my last message
[06:31] <derekS> 23:42:55 < derekS> i am trying to use xdmcp with kdm.... it seems is us configured with ipv6  support instead of v4? (for dapper) is that changed in edgy?
[06:31] <derekS> robotgeek: haha
[06:32] <derekS> or at least is there a fix for dapper :)
[06:34] <seaLne> you have removed -nolisten tcp or what ever its called?
[06:36] <seaLne> kd@lap-loan4:~$ grep -R nolisten /etc/kde3 /etc/X11/xinit/
[06:36] <seaLne> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc:ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp
[06:36] <seaLne> /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
[06:37] <derekS> hmm no i didn't 
[06:37] <derekS> lemme try that
[06:37] <seaLne> its been ages since i used xdmcp and can't remember whether thats needed, but might be a problem
[06:38] <derekS> should i do that on both or just one?
[06:40] <seaLne> not sure, this may actually have nothing to do with it, i'm just guessing
[06:41] <derekS> seaLne: it didn't work :)
[06:42] <derekS> udp6       0      0 *:xdmcp                 *:*
[06:42] <derekS> it *is* listening
[06:42] <derekS> just on udp6 instead of regular udp
[06:42] <seaLne> ah
[06:43] <seaLne> what do you have uncommented in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess ?
[06:44] <derekS> *               CHOOSER BROADCAST       #any indirect host can get a chooser
[06:44] <derekS> *                                       #any host can get a login window
[06:47] <derekS> seaLne: is that right?
[06:48] <seaLne> looks about right
[06:51] <seaLne> unfortunatly i'm trying to get ready for work just now so don't really have time to properly look at it
[06:52] <derekS> no worries
[06:52] <seaLne> derekS: can you file a bug on launchpad.net and i'll look at it later?
[06:52] <derekS> seaLne: hmm sure
[06:52] <derekS> lemme see if there is already one :)
[06:52] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+filebug if there isn't
[06:54] <derekS> kdebase or kdm?
[06:54] <seaLne> kdm is part of kdebase
[06:54] <derekS> ahh gotcha :)
[06:55] <derekS> (trying to figure out how to search :))
[06:57] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=xdmcp&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[06:57] <yuriy> haven't tried edgy in a few days - new kdm is wonderful
[06:58] <derekS> seaLne: i am looking, haven't seen any bugs that are the same
[06:59] <seaLne> nope
[06:59] <derekS> ok, i will file
[07:00] <seaLne> i assume everything else ipv4 is fine
[07:02] <derekS> i think? i can't use it
[07:04] <seaLne> you have an ipv4 ip?
[07:05] <derekS> oh yeah
[07:05] <derekS> haha
[07:05] <derekS> i thouhgt you meant with xdmcp
[07:06] <seaLne> just checking you wern't ipv6 only :)
[07:06] <seaLne> 05:42 < derekS> udp6       0      0 *:xdmcp                 *:* <- was that just grepping for xdmcp?
[07:07] <derekS> bug fialed
[07:07] <derekS> yeah
[07:07] <derekS> *filed
[07:11] <seaLne> ok Bug #58071
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58071
[07:13] <derekS> yeah
[08:55] <abattoir> Riddell: hi... around?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: what did you do last night?  any really cool changes in ksmserver?
[09:23] <Lure> Hobbsee: why? just added Suspend/Hibernate to logout
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont know, was curious :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> cool!
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7796/logoutfb7.png
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hmm @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/52126
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52126 in kubuntu-meta "unattended-upgrades needs manual configuration" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: nice :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:37] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio__!
[09:38] <Tonio__> yop Hobbsee
[09:58] <rouzic_ausente> alegrate, /me ha vuelto
[10:28] <Lure> Riddell: did you have time to look into my kdebase debdiff?
[10:34] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hey insanekane 
[11:02] <Riddell> Lure: which was that?
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: sent you e-mail last night/morning - ksmserver patch for suspend/resume in Logout dialog
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7796/logoutfb7.png
[11:05] <Riddell> ooh, funky
[11:37] <rouzic> Woww, Great Logout dialog :D
[11:38] <Riddell> well, it's getting to too many buttons like that, having an improved layout would be col to, but one step at a time
[11:38] <omeow> Hibernate is funny on windows.
[11:39] <omeow> You have to press and hold shift, then the shutdown button changes into a hibernate button.
[11:39] <omeow> (and clicking it actually does put your machine into hibernation!)
[11:40] <Hobbsee> true
[11:40] <omeow> And one more thing, to whoever added those grey play buttons like pause, refresh etc, you suck!
[11:40] <Lure> omeow: this are placeholders until kwwii suggests something better
[11:41] <Riddell> Lure: there's a mockup on the artwork page
[11:41] <Lure> omeow: but I can imagine that action icons for suspend/hibernate is not something that obvious
[11:42] <omeow> Well, I think the icon for hibernation is fairly ok. Cylinders are usually associated with databases, are they not?
[11:43] <danimo> omeow: you don't have to. you can just press shutdown and select hibernate from the upcoming dialog
[11:43] <omeow> Isn't there a harddrive icon with a down arrow? That would put things into perspective. (But it might also look ugly)
[11:43] <Riddell> Lure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png
[11:43] <omeow> danimo, that so? I searched the helpfile for hibernate and that's what it told me to do.
[11:44] <omeow> You know what those buttons remind me of? An electrical stove. 
[11:45] <omeow> I love the rest though. 
[11:45] <omeow> Especially the current login screen is amazing.
[11:45] <danimo> omeow: yes, at least on XP
[11:45] <omeow> danimo, that was what I was talking about.
[11:47] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I have a problem with amarok, it hangs after a period of time. i have mailed with imbrandon yesterday and he aksed me to file a bug report at amarok.kde.org
[11:47] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yep, and?
[11:47] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I did so. recompiled their sources with debugging symbols
[11:48] <fritsch> Hobbsee: because i could not get the debian package one to include the symbols
[11:48] <fritsch> Hobbsee: but now, i wait for the "hang" since several hours :-(
[11:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:48] <Hobbsee> heisenburg bugs like that are fun :P
[11:48] <fritsch> Hobbsee: nothing hangs with the pure source compiled, but with same configure parameters as in the /debian/rules
[11:49] <fritsch> Hobbsee: so my question: what patches in the kubuntu version could break things for me
[11:49] <Hobbsee> fritsch: probably ask imbrandon about it.  and any of the patches in debian/patches could
[11:49] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i have 3 Computers, on is a smp and here it crashes
[11:50] <fritsch> Hobbsee: okay thx, i will mail him ... but for being really sure i will wait 2 hours playing my music in amarok
[11:50] <Lure> Riddell: nice, the problem is I am not the GUI guy (never did one) - my skills are limited to add a button here and button there ;-)
[11:50] <Riddell> Lure: sure, stuff like that is non trivial since it's not using the normal qt widgets
[12:54] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/amarok_edgy.tar.gz
[01:01] <Riddell> kwwii_: I'm onto it
[01:02] <kwwii_> Riddell: I also changed the color for the katapult link, how should I send it to you? (I changed the rgb value in two places in one cpp file)
[01:02] <kwwii_> would a diff be best?
[01:03] <Riddell> kwwii_: yes, diff -u is best
[01:03] <kwwii_> cool, I am building it now, after which I will test it...when I feel it is done I'll let you know
[01:04] <Riddell> ok
[01:05] <Riddell> kwwii_: uploaded kubuntu-default-settings with
[01:05] <Riddell>    * KDM theme fixes from Ken Wimer
[01:05] <Riddell>    * New Konqueror background from Ken Wimer
[01:05] <Riddell>    * Add Edgy amarok theme
[01:05] <Riddell> and kwin-style-crystal with * Improved close buttons from Ken Wimer
[01:05] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:07] <kwwii_> Riddell: groovy :-)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> tech board in a few hours.  hmmm.
[01:26] <Riddell> anything interesting happening?
[01:26] <Riddell> we should organise another kubuntu meeting
[01:26] <Riddell> next wednesday anyone?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> thursday
[01:26] <Hobbsee> if you want me there
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no idea
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not asking for anything there, that i know of
[01:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: thursday 21:00UTC?
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are we talking about the one in 2 days time, or in 9?
[01:28] <imbrandon> moins Riddell / Hobbsee / kwwii ( and anyone else lurking ) 
[01:28] <imbrandon> thurs is fine with me ( anytime )
[01:29] <Hobbsee> any thursday, 2100 UTC is fine here.
[01:29] <imbrandon> well any day/time is as long as i know ahead of time hehe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> as long as it's thursday
[01:29] <Hobbsee> (damn those 9am classes)
[01:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 9 days I was thinking
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, okay :)
[01:30] <Riddell> hi im	
[01:30] <Riddell> imbrandon:
[01:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:35] <Lure> Riddell: new powermanager icons are too bright (green) - it hurts my eyes ;-)
[01:36] <Riddell> Lure: I agree
[02:28] <imbrandon> 
[02:36] <omeow> Dear christ how much longer is it going to take? =( 
[02:38] <Hobbsee> omeow: w.r.t what?
[02:39] <omeow> huh?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> w.r.t = with respect to
[02:44] <imbrandon> AGAIN
[02:45] <imbrandon> omeow: i told you it would take some time, in your words "dear christ if you need them download them"
[02:46] <omeow> hehe
[02:47] <omeow> I'm just very very impatient since this problem is quite annoying and I'm a bit scared that downloading the nvidia driver manually is going to fuck things up later when the package is actually released.
[02:47] <imbrandon> omeow: then dont and wait, either way its very disconcering to hear you bitching about it the DAY after i told you it would take a ~week
[02:48] <imbrandon> see my point ?
[02:49] <omeow> Sure sure. But I was kindof hoping to see that driver pop-up almost as soon as it was released. 
[02:50] <imbrandon> omeow: not when there are other priorities like knot2 and big bugs like laptops over heating  AND you are using a development version
[02:50] <imbrandon> anyhow 
[02:50] <imbrandon> this is a mute point ....
[02:51] <imbrandon> Riddell: how can i go from not-in-debian to main ? is it possible ?
[02:51] <omeow> Yes, I was thinking that running the development version would speed up the appearance of that driver. 
[02:51] <imbrandon> omeow: no running the development version lets to help fix bugs , thats all
[02:52] <imbrandon> jesus why am i argueing with you , we dont even mess with the kernel in here
[02:52] <omeow> hehe, you're frustrated because of me venting. =P
[02:52] <omeow> Good luck with the ignore function, it should work properly now. :)
[02:53] <imbrandon> i'm not gonna igore you but stifle it please 
[02:53] <omeow> sure
[02:53] <omeow> My apologies. 
[02:53] <imbrandon> or bug someone that can /DO/ something
[02:53] <imbrandon> 
[02:53] <omeow> And who would that be?
[02:54] <imbrandon> those than handel the kernel lrm stuff, i'll leave that to an excersise for you, but i can bet they are in the kubuntu room 
[02:54] <imbrandon> s/are/arent
[03:04] <imbrandon> haha i got some Vista pre-RC1 "beta" ivites in my email, there is no way i'm downloading 4.5 gigs of windows , esp when THEY lable it pre-RC1 and i consider the final product Beta ;P
[03:05] <Hobbsee> that would be kinda interesting.  just to see
[03:06] <imbrandon> i installed beta2 , its nasty
[03:06] <imbrandon> its basicly a skinned , slow XP
[03:06] <imbrandon> imho
[03:06] <Hobbsee> heh, right
[03:07] <imbrandon> i can give you the download code if you wanna take the time to download 4.5 gig minimal install hehe
[03:07] <imbrandon> heh
[03:07] <nixternal> imbrandon: i filled out some survey on a MS India website, and they are sending me some Vista discs ;)
[03:08] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea i got them today, thats hwat i was saying
[03:08] <imbrandon> bu they will collect dust
[03:08] <nixternal> haha
[03:08] <nixternal> i am making a disc lamp, so they will look purty sittin' on top ;)
[03:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm?
[03:22] <Riddell> yeah, package qtnx
[03:23] <jdong> lol
[03:23] <jdong> Hobbsee: make powersaved use acpi-support scripts :)
[03:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: libmtp from not in debian ( its on mentors.debian.net but it badly need to be re-debianized its very ugly ) into main
[03:23] <Hobbsee> nooo!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> what's qtnx?
[03:24] <imbrandon> btw how longs it normaly take pitti to review main inclusion , ipodslave is still in the queue
[03:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2006/08/27/qtnx-and-nxproxy
[03:24] <gnomefreak> im assuming its the nx package seveas has in his repo for kde
[03:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: a qt nx client ? hehe
[03:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: why main?
[03:24] <Riddell> gnomefreak: got a url to that?
[03:25] <imbrandon> so amarok can support mtp based mp3 players
[03:25] <gnomefreak> yesh give me a min to find it
[03:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: upload it in the normal way and main inclusion report
[03:25] <imbrandon> k
[03:25] <gnomefreak> i think his is free nx
[03:25] <gnomefreak> but not sure
[03:26] <imbrandon> yea ipod == 75% of the market mtp based players are the other 24% ( 1% weird crap )
[03:26] <jdong> Riddell: are there plans for *nx in Edgy?
[03:26] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^^
[03:26] <Riddell> jdong: I plan to get qtnx packaged
[03:26] <jdong> are there plans to get seveas's freenx packages into universe?
[03:26] <imbrandon> seveas dosent have qtnx i dont think
[03:26] <imbrandon> only freenx
[03:27] <jdong> right, but having freenx in edgy is not a bad idea :)
[03:27] <gnomefreak> http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/dists/dapper-seveas/  it looks different
[03:29] <Riddell> that'll be freenx indeed
[03:29] <gnomefreak> i would like to get the e17 packages Hawkwind  hass in is repo in atleast multiverse
[03:29] <gnomefreak> i know thats not possible because it wont be stable anytime son
[03:29] <gnomefreak> soon
[03:29] <Riddell> why multiverse?
[03:30] <gnomefreak> Riddell: unstable as it is i dont think main or universe would be good
[03:30] <Riddell> multiverse is about licencing not stability
[03:30] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: well multiverse is for lic issues not stbility
[03:30] <imbrandon> hahahah Riddell 
[03:30] <gnomefreak> repo = stable but e17 devels are not gonna release it by oct
[03:31] <Riddell> e17 is going to be released??!
[03:31] <gnomefreak> yes i know but due to stablity would it be good to throw in universe or main?
[03:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:31] <gnomefreak> Riddell: as far as i know it will in like 16 years ;) j/k
[03:32] <sebas> They'll rename it to "enlightenment forever" first.
[03:32] <imbrandon> i can get seveas's nx packages and get them ready for universe right now, Hobbsee are you gonna touch qtnx ? if not i'll do it along with the batch
[03:32] <gnomefreak> i dont think it will happen any time soon. they dont have any info on when
[03:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: go for it
[03:32] <imbrandon> kk 
[03:33] <imbrandon> gives me something todo besides look at amarok bugs and my mac lol
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've bounced you the e-mail from the qtnx author
[03:38] <Hobbsee> sigh.  i keep walking off the edge of the darn cliffs.
[03:38] <imbrandon> ok cool , i was just lookig for the gcc4 patch too, is that still needed or do you know ?
[03:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: for what?
[03:39] <imbrandon> Riddell: looking at the comments on that page .... quote 
[03:39] <imbrandon> #
[03:39] <imbrandon> nukeedit
[03:39] <imbrandon> George Wright said about 6 hours later:
[03:39] <imbrandon> You need a patch for nxcomp to compile using gcc 4. Search the freenx-knx mailing list for it.
[03:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: joy.  I've not seen that
[03:42] <imbrandon> heh its on the comments of http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2006/08/27/qtnx-and-nxproxy
[03:42] <imbrandon> i'll see if i can track it down
[03:43] <Riddell> George is on #kde-devel if you need to ping him
[03:43] <imbrandon> or maybe seveas has it 
[03:43] <imbrandon> ok i'm there too
[03:43] <imbrandon> just idle lol
[03:44] <imbrandon> hrm is that svn for freenx actualy qtnx ?
[03:44] <imbrandon> or is qtnx built from freenx, i'm slightly confused on the naming here
[03:44] <imbrandon> i know how it works, infact i have a freenx server setup on voyager and enterprise right now
[03:45] <imbrandon> but this naming has be a bit thrown
[03:45] <bddebian> Morning
[03:45] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:45] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[03:46] <imbrandon> ahhh nvm i got it
[03:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: qtnx is a client, it's source is in the freenx svn
[03:47] <imbrandon> right
[03:47] <imbrandon> i just cought that
[03:47] <imbrandon> okies
[03:47] <imbrandon> i was just a bit thrown for a minute
[03:57] <Lure> Riddell: kwin-crystal does not build: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/239929
[03:58] <Riddell> Lure: fooey
[03:59] <Riddell> el: are you on dapper or edgy these days?
[03:59] <el> Riddell, here on dapper, i have an edgy available
[03:59] <el> hi Hobbsee :)
[04:01] <el> Riddell, oh - i just realise: if it's power management better for dapper. the other one is a desktop
[04:01] <danimo> hi el
[04:01] <el> hey danimo :)
[04:02] <Riddell> el: ok
[04:03] <el> Riddell, thanks
[04:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: wow after reading this, do we realy want it, i mean it depends on the old nx server and wont connect to the new ( 2.0 ones ) and dosent support anything but the freenx public key atm
[04:04] <Riddell> imbrandon: quite possibly we don't
[04:06] <Lure> sebas: ping
[04:07] <Lure> sebas: kpm from svn does this instead of tooltip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21980 (no time to debug on my own)
[04:08] <sebas> Lure: What's your battery status?
[04:08] <sebas> i.e. charged, charging, discharging?
[04:09] <Lure> sebas: charging state:          charged
[04:09] <sebas> (This is the fine thing about debugging the powermanagement / HAL stuff, everything depends on the state of battery, lid, whatever.
[04:09] <sebas> Ok, makes sense. I'll fix it.
[04:09] <Lure> sebas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21981
[04:10] <Lure> sebas: yes, it looks to mi similar as Display module and xorg.conf (as Sime did for Dapper) ;-)
[04:14] <allee> Hobbsee: w-w-w-why?
[04:14] <allee> Hobbsee: w-w-w-where?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> +    Thx Hobbsee for reminding me (again and again :).
[04:15] <Hobbsee> allee ^ :P
[04:15] <allee> Something wrong with it? :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> allee: no, not at all.  i was amused :)
[04:16] <sebas> svn up, Lure?
[04:16] <Lure> sebas: yes please 
[04:17] <Lure> sebas: At revision 578517
[04:17] <allee> Hobbsee: next time I tell the truth: s/Thx/Argl/ s/reminding/pokes with a stick/
[04:17] <Hobbsee> allee: ROFL!
[04:17] <sebas> Lure: I've just committed a fix in 18 :)
[04:44] <Riddell> el: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060829-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:44] <Riddell> el: although most of your user interface changes havn't been implemented yet
[04:45] <el> Riddell, thanks - i'll have a look
[04:46] <Lure> sebas: fix works, thanks!
[04:59] <ryanakca> is there anything KDE that needs packaging? or can I just look around on kde-app and find something?
[05:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: some ideas on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu
[05:02] <sebas> Riddell: Thanks for the package, I'll do some more polishing and ask you to repackage, so we can have another round of testing from more people 
[05:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: let us know before you start, someone else might already be working on it
[05:05] <Riddell> sebas: cool
[05:07] <kwwii_> Riddell: did you hear that the o2 theme for katapult was taken care of by Mez?
[05:09] <Riddell> kwwii_: yes, he /msged me a patch
[05:19] <trappist> could someone have a look at bug #39268 - I put a patch, but it's kinda hacky due to my lack of C++.  Should make it easier for someone else to fix correctly, though.
[05:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39268 in kdepim "Cannot post in newsgroups" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39268
[05:26] <allee> Hobbsee: knemo in main?  apt-cache policy says universe
[05:26] <Hobbsee> allee: debian main
[05:26] <Hobbsee> allee: they're requesting all this for the new syncing policy
[05:26] <Hobbsee> so i've been lazy, and using that :P
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to check out https://launchpad.net/bugs/52126  ?
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52126 in kubuntu-meta "unattended-upgrades needs manual configuration" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mvo says it's a kubuntu bug
[05:28] <Hobbsee> yay, klic builds again
[05:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that looks like it should be closed, changing it would break distros that have it installed by default
[05:30] <Riddell> I wonder why ubuntu has it by default and we don't
[05:30] <Riddell> used by unattended-upgrades
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want the honours?
[05:30] <Riddell> used by update-manager
[05:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ok
[05:30] <imbrandon> gah i think dash is breaking limewire/frostwire too grrr
[05:32] <imbrandon> hrm maybe not , dosent work in bash either
[05:32] <imbrandon> whats wrong with this line " potential_java_dirs=(`ls -d1 "$JAVADIR"/j* | sort | tac`) " works in dapper but not edgy ( in a shell script )
[05:33] <imbrandon> get the same with runFrost.sh and runLime.sh ( same line as they are both based on the same code )
[05:33] <imbrandon> runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[05:33] <imbrandon> guess i should learn bash better
[05:34] <trappist> I don't see how the parens are necessary
[05:34] <allee> imbrandon: strange construct.
[05:34] <allee> imbrandon: should work without ()
[05:35] <imbrandon> allee i have no idea, this is the first time ive tried frostwire since the upgrade
[05:35] <trappist> doesn't work in dash on the shell here either
[05:35] <imbrandon> but i thought it was a dash/bash issue as its a #!/bin/sh script
[05:35] <trappist> imbrandon: /bin/sh is dash on edgy
[05:36] <trappist> oh nm
[05:36] <imbrandon> trappist: i know 
[05:36] <allee> imbrandon: well () creates a subshell, but ` ` does too.  So I never used and saw (` `)
[05:36] <trappist> imbrandon: it does work in bash (on the shell) and I can't *imagine* where it gets 'expectiong "}"'.  looks like a dash issue to me.
[05:36] <imbrandon> what i'm saying is ok .... it works in dapper unchanged, in edgy it fails on that line BUT if i run "bash runFrost.sh" and change the top line it dosent work either
[05:37] <imbrandon> allee ok i'll try without 
[05:37] <allee> imbrandon: x=`echo one two; echo three`; echo $x # does what it should
[05:37] <trappist> imbrandon: does it fail the same way?  it fails here in bash if JAVADIR is empty
[05:37] <trappist> (because /j* doesn't exist)
[05:38] <imbrandon> #!/bin/bash  changing it to that yes it fails the same way
[05:39] <imbrandon> ahh but
[05:39] <allee> (edgy)root@allee:~# x=`echo one two; echo three`; echo $x
[05:39] <allee> one two three
[05:39] <allee> (edgy)root@allee:~# x=(`echo one two; echo three`); echo $x
[05:39] <allee> one
[05:39] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ /bin/bash /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh  <-- that works soooo
[05:40] <imbrandon> why dosent #!/bin/bash
[05:40] <Hobbsee> right, night al
[05:40] <Hobbsee> l
[05:40] <imbrandon> night Hobbsee
[05:40] <allee> nite Hobbsee 
[05:41] <imbrandon> allee yea i know the resoning , but it would be easier just to change the script to use bash instead of patching it and chaging all the code and THEN convincing upstream of those projects to do the same
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:41] <imbrandon> @lart 22 Hobbsee
[05:41] <imbrandon> doh 
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you could probably drop wlassistant, come to think of it.  and knemo.  both are more or less depreciated with knm
[05:42] <Hobbsee> no idea if that'd help or not
[05:42] <imbrandon> so really my question is why is it not using #!/bin/bash when specified at the top of the script allee / trappist
[05:43] <trappist> imbrandon: I wonder if it gets cached.  try running it without prepending /bin/bash again?
[05:43] <allee> imbrandon: good question
[05:43] <abattoir> Riddell: hi... are you there?
[05:43] <Riddell> hi abattoir 
[05:44] <abattoir> Riddell: you got my mail(and does the 're' issue still present?)
[05:44] <abattoir> ?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> jjesse: kubuntu meeting, next thursday, 2100utc - can you make it?
[05:44] <allee> imbrandon: from all I know it should do the same.
[05:44] <imbrandon> hah hrm trappist your right
[05:44] <allee> imbrandon: you run it from same dir?
[05:44] <imbrandon> now it works without it, seemed cached
[05:44] <Riddell> abattoir: I've not looked at it again
[05:44] <omeow> I love the new KDM theme. :) Too bad I won't be seeing it much.
[05:44] <imbrandon> allee its in the path
[05:44] <trappist> awesome, that was a wild-ass guess :)
[05:44] <imbrandon> trappist: yea thats nuts LOL
[05:45] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, ok, because it works here... and could you tell me at which step the GTK frontend fails?
[05:45] <imbrandon> well anyhow looks like i need to patch both of those packages atleaste , man this move to dash has been biting me in the arse the last few days
[05:45] <imbrandon> little stuff keeps creeping up here and there
[05:46] <Riddell> abattoir: the last one, different (GUI) error, can't remember what not
[05:46] <Riddell> now
[05:46] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, no problem, if you have the time later, please tell me
[05:46] <Riddell> abattoir: did you sync the .bzr directory?
[05:46] <abattoir> Riddell: regarding bzr, someone at #bzr told me just copying it online would work... :-\
[05:47] <Riddell> abattoir: you need to remember the .bzr directory
[05:47] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll look into it and fix it, but if you want the latest file, it already is there...
[05:47] <allee> imbrandon: run it as: /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh
[05:47] <imbrandon> alleeyea it works that way
[05:47] <abattoir> Riddell: you'd have to fetch it manually though :P... will work on it
[05:47] <allee> imbrandon: good.  I relax.
[05:48] <imbrandon> 
[05:48] <allee> imbrandon: search for $0 games played in the script
[05:48] <allee> imbrandon: looks like the script assumes that $0 contains full path
[05:48] <imbrandon> yea looks like it
[05:50] <imbrandon> okies off to the store, bbiab
[05:50] <imbrandon> thanks allee / trappist , and i'll fix those up later tonight
[05:51] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:58] <ryanakca> Anyone packaging "KnowIt"?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, arbiter
[05:59] <ryanakca> kk
[05:59] <ryanakca> lol
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Night HobbSee
[06:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: if you want to clean out that Canidates page that would be cool
[06:01] <ryanakca> which one? I cleaned out the main one in July... it was messy... 
[06:01] <Hobbsee> or just fix the bugs in the rest of the archive :P
[06:29] <viper550> Hello everyone!
[06:30] <kwwii_> hi viper550
[06:31] <kwwii_> Riddell: just sent you a diff for katapult, let me know what you think.
[06:31] <Riddell> thanks
[06:31] <viper550> So, just wondering if you tried my tweaks for the buttons
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Oh good job on the spelling catalog
[06:41] <imbrandon> 
[06:41] <Riddell> hmm, no e-mail from kwwii_ yet
[06:43] <kwwii_> just take this: http://bootsplash.org/imagedisplay.diff
[06:44] <Riddell> thanks
[06:45] <danimo> kwwii_: dude, not, please
[06:45] <allee> kwwii_: can't this color be derived from a color setting in current theme?
[06:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, allee, kwwii_ , or someone that will actualy help benifet kubuntu , woudl you like my private beta key for Vista , i'm honestly not gonna use it, i have no intrest
[06:48] <imbrandon> i'll forward them my mail
[06:52] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I only have ppcs
[06:52] <imbrandon> 
[06:52] <kwwii_> allee: no, we cannot use that color, as it is normally shown on a light bg color
[06:52] <kwwii_> katapult uses a transparent pic
[06:52] <kwwii_> which is dark
[06:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: could do
[06:52] <imbrandon> heh yea i forgot i was in the MS beta program and got the key/download today , so i thought i would offer it to soeone whom might actualy use it, as i wont bother to even download it
[06:52] <kwwii_> danimo: don't worry, I am still testing other colors
[06:53] <imbrandon> ok Riddell i'll forward you the mail with the download / key 
[06:53] <ryanakca> is ctrl - alt - + / ctrl - alt - -  disabled for some reason?
[06:53] <danimo> kwwii_: nah, I mean why not use the system colors?
[06:53] <allee> imbrandon: I've no plans to play with vista
[06:53] <danimo> kwwii_: i.e. a fitting QColorGroup member
[06:53] <kwwii_> danimo: as I just mentioned, it does not work
[06:54] <danimo> ugh?
[06:54] <danimo> kwwii_: what happens?
[06:54] <danimo> they prolly messed with their palettes
[06:54] <kwwii_> colors that are picked for a light background will never match to a half transparent dark background
[06:54] <danimo> ah
[06:55] <kwwii_> it was blue, but I can barely see it on my monitor
[06:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: you got mail(tm) 
[06:55] <imbrandon> heh
[06:55] <allee> kwwii_: isn't there some kind of algorithm that make such a dark col. out of a 'standard color'
[06:55] <kwwii_> so I changed it to orange, but it will probably change again
[06:55] <kwwii_> allee: not one that also assures it works well and looks nice
[06:56] <allee> kwwii_: then KDE needs another color group member!
[06:56] <imbrandon> hehehehe
[06:57] <kwwii_> :-)
[06:57] <kwwii_> to be honest, that sounds like too much work
[06:58] <kwwii_> and katapult is not part of kde base, I think
[06:58] <DaSkreech> It's part of kubuntu-desktop though?
[06:58] <kwwii_> yepp
[06:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yes, lots of things are part of kubuntu-desktop and not kdebase 
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Right I know part of the luv of Kubuntu :)
[07:02] <allee> kwwii_: I don't mean patch kdelibs now. But could not hurt to (re?)mind some KDE hackers that there's something missing
[07:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:04] <kwwii_> allee: dude, it is simply not necessary...to change the pics you have to run a script first
[07:04] <kwwii_> and making one more color to set just for that reason seems like overkill
[07:04] <kwwii_> there are different themes one can choose from
[07:05] <kwwii_> ok, time for a beer with a friend
[07:05] <kwwii_> bbl
[07:07] <imbrandon> haha later kwwii_
[07:08] <ryanakca> anybody working on "Kumula"
[07:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: check revu but I've not heard of it
[07:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: nope, not there, I'll look at / package it tonight...   http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11997
[07:10] <imbrandon> hehe evil python packing, you should have fun
[07:10] <imbrandon> nice to see it will be kde/qt4 soon
[07:12] <Riddell> cool
[07:14] <_Sime> I've never heard of kumula before.
[07:14] <imbrandon> _Sime: it looks new, but prety slick if it works as intended 
[07:14] <imbrandon> it is one thing kde/linux is lacking realy
[07:15] <imbrandon> mmm more food bbiab
[07:16] <_Sime> there is little info on the site about the project and where it came from, and who is producing this.
[07:21] <allee> ryanakca: not do discourage you.  IMHO software of this complexity are best only pkg'ed if one uses it.  When a bug report comes it, it's not that easy to verify/confirm it or test a fix without an already running setup.
[07:21] <allee> ryanakca: nevertheless a very interesting peace of software
[07:26] <ryanakca> allee: kk, I'll get it setup and run it couple times :)
[07:27] <ryanakca> I have no use for it, but it looks very interesting...
[07:27] <allee> ryanakca: yes  (like kolab ;)
[07:27] <ryanakca> kolab?
[07:28] <allee> ryanakca: imap/pop/address/calendar server
[07:28] <ryanakca> ah
[07:28] <ryanakca> bbl
[07:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: new katapult look uploaded
[07:28] <nixternal> ahh, kumula...one of these days with good developers..that could potentially be the opensource solution to goldmine
[07:32] <sebas> Did we want the powermanager to be a kcontrol module (and run standalone, as the other guidance tools)?
[08:07] <imbrandon_> ok i'm gonna take the rest of today and just "goof off" so if anyone needs me for anything i'll still be on irc just not working on anyting in particualr ( taking some time to play with kde on osx and watch some tv )
[08:07] <imbrandon_> incase anyone cares heheh
[08:10] <Tonio___> yop
[08:11] <Riddell> sebas: it should run standalone, no need for it to be a kcontrol module
[08:12] <sebas> Riddell: Well, it can do both.
[08:13] <Tonio_> hey Riddell, sebas
[08:13] <sebas> I suppose if we remove the klaptopdaemon applet, people will miss that in kcontrol^W systemsettings
[08:13] <Riddell> sebas: but if it's one there's no need for the other
[08:14] <sebas> Hi Tonio_  :)
[08:14] <sebas> Riddell: Ow, I thought klaptopdaemon would die a painful death finally
[08:14] <Riddell> sebas: it already has
[08:14] <sebas> Then I don't understand
[08:16] <Riddell> sebas: what don't you understand?
[08:16] <sebas> The 
[08:16] <sebas> "there's no need for the other"
[08:16] <Riddell> sebas: applications which have a UI don't need a kontrol module on the whole
[08:16] <Riddell> kcontrol modules are for when you don't have another UI
[08:17] <sebas> Ah, getting it.
[08:17] <sebas> What about the desktop usecase?
[08:17] <Riddell> I havn't figured that one out yet :)
[08:17] <sebas> I suppose I've to suspend my desktop from the logout dialogue, how do I set it up?
[08:17] <sebas> Ok.
[08:17] <Riddell> what needs set up?
[08:18] <sebas> Good questions, /me checks.
[08:18] <sebas> kb shortcuts, at least (but that's your item :))
[08:19] <Riddell> well keyboard shortcuts is for brightness and generally that's laptop only
[08:19] <sebas> I was also thinking about a setting "lock screen after suspend" (although, personally, I don't need it).
[08:19] <sebas> Ow, no kb shortcuts to hibernate / suspend?
[08:21] <Riddell> sebas: lock screen after suspend is dangerous, I know gnome had a problem with that where you could type stuff for an instant before the lock happened
[08:21] <sebas> That
[08:21] <sebas> can be worked around, I suppose.
[08:22] <Riddell> so hibernate/suspend shortcuts is the only thing to configure, dunno if I care too much if some people can't to that, there's already control-alt-delete
[08:22] <sebas> It's a problem with kdesktoplock being async, one could wait for it to be locked, then suspend.
[08:22] <sebas> Ok.
[08:23] <sebas> Have fun, take a chinchilla with you, it's fun ;-)
[08:23] <Riddell> k3b backported
[08:23] <Riddell> seaLne ^^
[08:29] <seaLne> yeah, saw thanks
[08:33] <jdong> !info k3b dapper-backports
[08:33] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[08:33] <jdong> hmm, ubotu doesn't understand dapper-backports?
[08:33] <seaLne> has it built yet?
[08:34] <jdong> don't think so
[08:34] <jdong> but ubotu responded with something from dapper
[08:34] <jdong> does it understand dapper-backports/dapper-security/dapper-updates/dapper-proposed?
[08:34] <seaLne> yeah i suppose it should have said 16 for backports
[08:34] <Riddell> it won't be in the archive yet
[08:35] <jdong> !info linux-source-2.6.15 dapper-security
[08:35] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.15: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.15-26.46 (dapper), package size 43476 kB, installed size 43612 kB
[08:35] <jdong> !info ktorrent dapper
[08:35] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[08:35] <jdong> !info ktorrent dapper-backports
[08:35] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[08:35] <jdong> nope, doesn't do backports
[08:35] <jdong> ktorrent's been there for a week
[09:13] <ryanakca> can you rename a package like "11997-kumula-base-1.0.tar.gz" to "kumula-base-1.0.tar.gz"?
[09:17] <crimsun> if you meant kumula-base_1.0.orig.tar.gz , yes.
[09:18] <omeow> wieee :)
[09:24] <imbrandon_> ryanakca: might be good to get the tar from the official website too though instead of kde-apps.org ( to make sure its pure/clean ) ..... the XXXXX-<appname> gives it away ;P
[09:24] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: the link on the official website links to the kde-app page
[09:24] <imbrandon_> ahhh ok ;)
[09:43] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[09:49] <jdong> hey, can I poke someone for a ktorrent 2.0.2 package?
[09:49] <jdong> fixes data corruption issues, improves download speeds
[09:49] <jdong> IMO safe for a UVF exception
[09:52] <jdong> oh Seveas.... make ubotu index dapper-backports :)
[09:58] <nixternal> hmm..kdm login a little broke or what?
[09:59] <Lure> nixternal: I thought it was just me - stripes?
[09:59] <imbrandon_> works for me(tm)
[09:59] <nixternal> a lot of things Lure
[09:59] <nixternal> no imbrandon, it is quite messed up
[09:59] <nixternal> one 4 out 4 machines, it is messed up
[09:59] <nixternal> kdm login splash is hosed, as well as the fonts in the login box itself
[10:00] <nixternal> i have 2 big old ugly power mons too
[10:01] <Lure> nixternal: power/battery icon is there because kwwii wanted some negative feedback ;-)
[10:01] <nixternal> heh, Lure, i just noticed it changes every time when i hit the kdm login
[10:01] <nixternal> haha, and he quits
[10:01] <nixternal> i have given kwwii enough negative feedback this week
[10:02] <Lure> nixternal: really? I though he was complaining about not getting any negative feedback lately ;-)
[10:02] <nixternal> hehe, he was until i let loose yesterday
[10:07] <Viper550> Hello again...
[10:09] <DaSkreech> hi
[10:12] <Viper550> Not much going on...
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Oh No I'm bristling with excitement
[10:14] <DaSkreech> zzZZZZ
[10:25] <Viper550> I've got my KDE desktop decked out with the new Kubuntu 6.10 look, nice!
[10:26] <Tm_T> my edgy desktop still can't start xorg
[10:26] <jjesse> Tm_T: i had to do an sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in order for mine to work after i upgraded from dapper to edgy
[10:26] <jjesse> i don't know why but that's how i solved it
[10:27] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:27] <Tm_T> I'll check it later
[10:27] <Tm_T> jjesse: thanks, maybe that helps (weird problems imo)
[10:28] <jjesse> Tm_T: i think when i did that it installed some new x.org packages if i recall correctly
[10:32] <Viper550> But to kwii_, I have one last idea that I'm surprised hasn't been implemented in the purplfication of Kubuntu...
[10:42] <imbrandon_> you mean kwwii_ ;)
[10:44] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:44] <imbrandon_> heya kwwii_  ;)
[10:44] <kwwii_> howdy imbrandon, wassup?
[10:45] <kwwii_> noticed my konversation blinking red
[10:45] <imbrandon_> nadda, just playing arround 
[10:45] <imbrandon_> heheh
[10:45] <Viper550> Which film?
[10:46] <jdong_> imbrandon_: would you like to pull in a new ktorrent? ;)
[10:46] <jdong_> or do some master gods need to ok that first?
[10:46] <imbrandon_> theres a newer release than 2.0.1 ?
[10:46] <jdong_> 2.0.2
[10:46] <jdong_> released around 46 minutes ago
[10:46] <imbrandon_> ahh ok yea i'll file a uvf here in a few
[10:46] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:46] <jdong_> imbrandon_ already did
[10:47] <Viper550> My extra idea, is to turn on the "Colorize to match desktop Color Scheme" option by default
[10:47] <imbrandon_> you filed a uvf ?
[10:47] <jdong_> #58139 
[10:47] <jdong_> if that's how you file uvf's :)
[10:47] <kwwii_> Viper550: V for Vendetta
[10:47] <imbrandon_> can you send me the changelog please , and did you mail mdz yet ?
[10:47] <jdong_> imbrandon_: no, I just put in the bug ticket. I'm not sure what else I need to do
[10:47] <Viper550> Oooh, I've heard great things about that one! Well...enjoy
[10:47] <imbrandon_> heh i'll take it from here
[10:48] <imbrandon_> bug 58139
[10:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58139 in ktorrent "UVF exception request ktorrent 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58139
[10:48] <imbrandon_> ugh no changelog and such either, ok
[10:48] <jdong_> imbrandon_: thanks very much.... they're pretty vague about what they fixed, but I quoted what the guy said on his forums :-/
[10:49] <imbrandon_> i'll fix it before i send it to mdz
[10:49] <jdong_> k
[10:49] <imbrandon_> well in that case you have to troll the svn commits ;)
[10:49] <imbrandon_> but i will
[10:49] <jdong_> thanks
[10:50] <jdong_> the creator says on his forums "This fixes a couple of serious issues, and you should upgrade."
[10:51] <imbrandon_> heh yea but a uvf still needs ..... well here lemme show ya 
[10:51] <imbrandon_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[10:52] <imbrandon_> ^^ just fyi, but i'll finish this one up since i did the last 2
[10:52] <imbrandon_> thanks jdong_ ;)
[10:52] <jdong_> now I'll know for the future :)
[10:53] <Viper550> So, think colorizing the main panel might look nicer?
[10:55] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: 2 konversation bugs :)
[10:56] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: where should I send them to? /query you or ???
[10:56] <imbrandon_> in 1.0rc1 ? file them bugs.kde.org
[10:56] <imbrandon_> and poke #konversation with the bug numbers 
[10:57] <ryanakca> 0.19+
[10:57] <ryanakca> is 0.19+ = 1.0rc1?
[10:57] <imbrandon_> yes
[10:58] <ryanakca> kk
[10:59] <ryanakca> can you file bugs threw malone? or just view them?
[10:59] <imbrandon_> just view
[10:59] <imbrandon_> that is not an official package yet, thus needs to be filed upstream
[11:00] <imbrandon_> just as sho asked ;)
[11:00] <imbrandon_> ( and i mentoned on the blog ) heh
[11:00] <ryanakca> kk
[11:00] <ryanakca> sho?
[11:00] <imbrandon_> one of the kde devs
[11:00] <ryanakca> ah
[11:00] <imbrandon_> err konversation
[11:02] <Viper550> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 (nice...)
[11:04] <imbrandon_> heh yea we seen that a week or so ago Viper550 , kinda cool
[11:04] <Viper550> oh...
[11:12] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: is it cvs that I report the bug's version as?
[11:15] <seaLne> i think that kmenu looks awfull :)
[11:16] <seaLne> the panel is for sticking favourite apps on :)
[11:21] <nixternal> im with you there seaLne ;)
[11:21] <nixternal> there is to much to that kmenu
[11:21] <nixternal> plus, everything i use opens up at start up in its own location anyways...and if i need another program, alt+f2 is a quick way of getting it
[11:24] <kwwii_> Riddell: I'll work on the hwdb pics in the next days...can I install it on dapper?
[11:26] <kwwii_> Riddell: and if possible, I would like to test the systray icons for powermanger...how do I do that?
[11:27] <Lure> kwwii_: kde-guidance in edgy includes them
[11:27] <Lure> otherwise it is just couple of python scripts from svn
[11:27] <kwwii_> Lure: so I need to install edgy first, to test it
[11:27] <Lure> kwwii_: no, you can get it on dapper too
[11:28] <kwwii_> I will install knot2 on my test ppc anyway
[11:28] <Lure> just grab from svn
[11:28] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:28] <Lure> it is python so no need to compile (just need pyuic)
[11:29] <Lure> kwwii_: just do "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/guidance/powermanager"
[11:29] <Lure> cd powermanager
[11:30] <Lure> ./recompile-ui-files
[11:30] <Lure> then run ./guidance-power-manager.py
[11:31] <kwwii_> Lure: tell me that again tomorrow :-) I had a few beers with a friend and am watching a film atm :-)
[11:31] <Lure> kwwii_: no pb, just ping me if you need it still...
[11:31] <Lure> ;-)
[11:33] <allee> mhmm, new kdm theme looks cool, but username password labels are hardly readable this the background :(
[11:34] <kwwii_> Lure: bash: "pyuic: command not found"
[11:35] <Lure> kwwii_: sorry: apt-get install pyqt-tools
[11:42] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ping
[11:42] <kwwii_> imbrandon: pong
[11:42] <imbrandon> whats up with the two diffrent icons in kmail with oxgyen , see: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss13.png
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:46] <kwwii_> imbrandon: not sure what you mean, honestly
[11:46] <imbrandon> see some blue and some brown 
[11:46] <imbrandon> ?
[11:47] <imbrandon> for all my imap folers , half are blue and half are brown heh
[11:47] <imbrandon> s/foler/folders
[11:48] <Lure> imbrandon: actually it is cool - folders with unread messages are blue ;-)
[11:48] <imbrandon> yea but /none/ should be 
[11:48] <imbrandon> heh
[11:49] <imbrandon> thats what i was getting at
[11:49] <kwwii_> no idea
[11:50] <kwwii_> in my desktop it works fine :-)
[11:50] <imbrandon> heh ok, thought i would ask since they are oxy icon themew
[11:51] <kwwii_> my desktop shows them their
[11:51] <kwwii_> there
[11:51] <imbrandon> wel they are there but some are blue ( unread ) some are brown 
[11:51] <imbrandon> see the screenshot
[11:53] <Lure> kwwii_: btw, thanks for larger menu button in kdm login screen - text now fits nicely
[11:53] <kozz> was just about to say the same thing
[11:54] <Lure> kwwii_: I suspect kdm logon is intentionally transparent (and background image is just missing)
[11:56] <Lure> sebas: wow, lot's of commits... ;-)
[12:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[12:06] <sebas> Lure: Yeah, hacking night :>
[12:07] <Lure> sebas: thanks for hiding brightness controls.
[12:07] <Lure> sebas: can you also add a rectangle around new lid section?
[12:07] <sebas> Sure, what title do you propose?
[12:09] <Lure> we would probably need to put keyboard accelerators near, so we could name it Shortcuts (not sure if obvious enough)
[12:10] <Lure> sebas: btw, brighness is gone for mains, but there is now a slider (now shaded) in battery powered left