[05:34] <Who_> troy_s: you there?
[05:36] <troy_s> yes
[05:36] <troy_s> who_ what is up?
[05:36] <Who_> I'm doing Blubuntu stuff and Im tempted to add some largeglowing line arcs accross everything
[05:36] <Who_> thoughts
[05:37] <troy_s> hrm... not really... depends on how it integrates with your icons/ rest of desky i would suppose.
[05:38] <Who_> troy_s: yea - exactly - I can make it integrate nicely with GDM, wallpaper, lsplash, usplash, but perhaps not the icons...
[05:38] <troy_s> its a bit tricky...
[05:39] <troy_s> if it is prominent, perhaps you can utilize another motif from the icons to make it cohesive?
[05:39] <Who_> well, with Inkscape it is easy to have a version with a layer for the circles that is hidden
[05:39] <troy_s> or if it is subtle, you might be able to get away with it by customizing a few icons.
[05:39] <troy_s> of the more highly visible sort.
[05:39] <Who_> yea - I'm afraid the icons have hit a bit of a time stump this realease - I haven't got custom ones yet
[05:45] <troy_s> yep
[05:45] <troy_s> so you are sort of forced to 'fit in'
[05:45] <troy_s> unless you just throw all caution into the wind and go with your look.
[05:45] <troy_s> which i suppose is possible too.
[05:48] <Who_> yea.
[05:48] <Who_> I am going to present a 'Blubuntu' and 'Blubuntu Circles'
[05:59] <Who_> grr - it is too late at night - i can't make anything good
[05:59] <Who_> so frustrating - cos I keep trying and it doesn't work so I stay up later!!
[06:09] <Who_> okay, call it a night
[06:09] <Who_> see ya troy_s
[06:19] <troy_s> nighty who_
[11:53] <lapo> hi
[12:21] <PingunZ> ping troy_s
[12:22] <PingunZ> I had an idea for the new structure of ubuntu-art ... ( not the forum idea )
[12:22] <PingunZ> Seperate teams in ubuntu art ( wallpaper, icons, ... )
[12:23] <PingunZ> So that if people want to join the team, they select what they are good in .
[12:23] <PingunZ> And dont get mails about usplash if they dont know anything about it..
[12:24] <PingunZ> And every ' team ' would have its team leader(s) who approve or dismiss the art they made.
[12:27] <PingunZ> So mainly the GTK team asks a nice metacity for its team --> they send their request to the Ubuntu art ( core team ), they approve the request, mail it to the Metacity team. They make one, it gets approved by the Metacity-Leaders and get sent to the GTK team.
[12:27] <PingunZ> Any comments ? :)
[12:28] <Madpilot> PingunZ, splitting the GTK & Metacity teams seems awkward - rather just one Desktop Theme team, if we're going to split stuff up
[12:28] <PingunZ> Madpilot: I'm sorry, what does awkward mean ?
[12:29] <Madpilot> "too much work", in this case
[12:29] <PingunZ> ah ok :)
[12:29] <Madpilot> GTK & Metacity are so intertwined in the whole look of a theme that splitting them doesn't seem to make much sense
[12:30] <PingunZ> Well, we could put those together
[12:30] <PingunZ> The base is that Icon makers dont have to make Usplash.
[12:30] <Madpilot> ya
[12:30] <PingunZ> And if they can they just subcribe to that mailing list too ..
[12:31] <PingunZ> But you certainly have a point for the metacity & GTK team .
[12:32] <PingunZ> IMO this would be more structured ..
[12:32] <PingunZ> And ( IMO again ;) ) artists would know better what they have to do.
[12:33] <PingunZ> brb
[12:35] <PingunZ> b
[12:35] <PingunZ> Madpilot: Do you like the general idea ? Or
[12:36] <PingunZ> *Or was it just the GTK/metacity thing ?
[12:36] <Madpilot> not entirely, TBH. I think one mailing list & a combined team work right now; the art team isn't big enough to warrent splitting up...
[12:37] <Madpilot> plus, with a combined team/mailing list/etc, you get crossover of ideas - people see a wallpaper idea and use the concept in a splash, or vice-versa
[12:37] <PingunZ> That what I was worried about too. But then you'll have the Icon theme --> They know exactly what to do.
[12:39] <PingunZ> That crossover thing might be right ... I'm thinking about a solution ..
[12:41] <PingunZ> Well, Team leaders communicate with other team leaders, they see a nice wallpaper, tell the Splash team about it and tadam !
[12:41] <PingunZ> Bah I dont think this idea will come true anyway ..
[02:04] <troy_s> PingunZ -- you called?
[02:05] <PingunZ> troy_s: read up :)
[02:16] <troy_s> ahh i did...
[02:16] <troy_s> I think madpilot is on point with his estimation.
[02:18] <PingunZ> troy_s: what is estimation ?
[02:18] <PingunZ> Oh, I found out ;)
[02:19] <PingunZ> Well I think Madpilot's point was true also but the idea can be modified ...
[02:39] <bersace> troy_s: did you saw my GDM themes ?
[02:39] <bersace> not for edgy,
[02:39] <bersace> but i can help you writing GDM theme
[02:40] <bersace> troy_s: http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=bersace03
[02:44] <lapo> yo bersace, what about gnomescan?
[02:45] <bersace> lapo: i'm currently working on Hal scanner support
[02:45] <bersace> lapo: but that's quite hard.
[02:45] <bersace> SANE is quite ugly
[02:46] <lapo> bersace: hal scanner support? you mean for example to use is some ways the button you find on most scanners today?
[02:46] <lapo> s/button/buttons/
[02:46] <bersace> yeah,
[02:46] <bersace> and more
[02:47] <lapo> ubercool
[02:47] <bersace> the first goal is to get ride of the "probe" dialog at each launch
[02:47] <lapo> very cool and needed stuff, bravo!
[02:48] <lapo> I hope to see the result of your work integrated everywhere in gnome relly soon
[05:18] <Viper550> I've seen those new proposed cursors
[08:03] <PingunZ> troy_s, I read your mail about the GDM. With icons ?
[08:03] <PingunZ> You could accomplish it with .svg icons and a .png background ..
[08:09] <lgespee> hello
[08:09] <lgespee> does anybody of you know about an Human style GDM theme with face browser?
[08:14] <PingunZ> lgespee, look on gnome-look, face browsers wont be in ubuntu's default install cause of security reasons.
[08:15] <lgespee> PingunZ: alright thanks, I can accept the choice, it is just that a "normal" user I installed Ubuntu for last week didn't want to retype his name everytime
[08:15] <lgespee> PingunZ: but thanks
[08:15] <PingunZ> lgespee, you can enable autologin
[08:15] <lgespee> PingunZ: it's a two user system :(
[08:15] <PingunZ> ah
[08:16] <PingunZ> look around on gnome-look. they have lots of nice face-browsers.
[08:16] <lgespee> PingunZ: but there are face browser themes in Ubuntu default install, there was a Gnome one in it
[08:16] <lgespee> PingunZ: it just looks ugly a blueish login and then a Human style desktop
[08:16] <PingunZ> I didn't know that. I like face browsers too but the idea got dismissed..
[08:17] <lgespee> PingunZ: I will do that, I couln't find any on art.gnome.org but didn't look any further
[08:17] <PingunZ> lgespee, you could change the background image ?
[08:17] <PingunZ> gnome-look.org ;)
[08:17] <lgespee> PingunZ: I don't know, didn't look for that either
[08:18] <lgespee> PingunZ: .org, yeah I got that ;)
[08:20] <lgespee> PingunZ: thanks a lot, at gnome-look.org they have a bunch of them
[08:21] <PingunZ> :)
[10:34] <PingunZ> hey all
[10:34] <Viper550> kwii? are you there?
[10:34] <Viper550> oh, hi PingunZ
[10:35] <PingunZ> hmm dapper is behaving wierd, brb ( reboot )
[10:41] <PingunZ> Back :)
[10:42] <andreasn> PingunZ: hi!
[10:43] <PingunZ> how are you andreasn
[10:43] <andreasn> PingunZ: everything is fine. Got a new and working keyboard for my laptop
[10:43] <andreasn> PingunZ: everything fine with you?
[10:44] <PingunZ> Yeah, I installed SLED today :)
[10:44] <PingunZ> I copied all their artwork and I'm now taking a look at it.
[10:45] <andreasn> copied?
[10:45] <PingunZ> Yes, just made a copy on my hard-drive and I'm now taking a look at it in ubuntu
[10:45] <PingunZ> I really don't like SuSE
[10:45] <andreasn> ah, I see
[10:45] <Viper550> All you need is Slab...
[10:45] <PingunZ> I have slab up and working yet
[10:46] <PingunZ> A much better version than the suse one.
[10:46] <Viper550> Ubuntu System Panel
[10:46] <andreasn> yeah, jimmac did great work with gdm, splashes and stuff
[10:46] <andreasn> that guy is great
[10:46] <PingunZ> I prefer slab to USP.
[10:47] <andreasn> Viper550: what is UPS exactly?
[10:47] <andreasn> err...usp?
[10:47] <Viper550> Some sort of advanced main menu applet by chanders, written in Python, VERY COMPLEX
[10:47] <andreasn> interesting
[10:47] <andreasn> how does it work?
[10:48] <Viper550> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546'
[10:48] <Viper550> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546 (don't click the first one)
[10:50] <andreasn> hm, so it's like slab, but slightly different and written i python?
[10:50] <Viper550> Yep!
[10:51] <PingunZ> andreasn, and it takes half of your screen :)
[10:51] <andreasn> wow, that is weird
[10:52] <andreasn> well, I guess people are free to do whatever they like with their own time
[10:56] <PingunZ> Haha that's a nice way of saying it :)
[10:57] <PingunZ> I'm building and installing a new hack of slab.
[10:58] <andreasn> well, I'm not trying to bash it in any way, I mean, the current system with categories is less than optimal
[10:58] <Viper550> Soon, Kickoff will be the big thing
[10:58] <PingunZ> Kickoff ?
[10:58] <PingunZ> never heard of that before
[10:58] <andreasn> "After the release of the SLED menu and seeing that it was so popular with Ubuntu users, I took it upon myself to do something of our own."
[10:58] <andreasn> of our own?
[10:59] <PingunZ> Yes, stealing it from Suse
[10:59] <PingunZ> -_-
[10:59] <Viper550> IT'S OPEN SOURCE! Come on, it's even on Gnome CVS!
[10:59] <andreasn> stealing and stealing
[10:59] <andreasn> I'm more afraid of the "Not Invented Here" attitude
[11:00] <PingunZ> I'm not against it, but they stole it :)
[11:00] <andreasn> PingunZ: how do you mean? stole what?
[11:00] <Viper550> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 (Kickoff)
[11:00] <andreasn> yeah, Kickoff seems nice as well
[11:02] <PingunZ> Yes, kickoff seems very nice. Too bad its kde-only.
[11:04] <andreasn> well, slab seems to solve the same problems as kickoff (and vice versa)
[11:04] <Viper550> Oh yeah, this might be a bit hard to customize for other distros, since the eyes move on the lizard!
[11:05] <andreasn> k
[11:05] <andreasn> 
[11:05] <andreasn> sorry, my keyboard is weird
[11:05] <andreasn> :)
[11:06] <andreasn> PingunZ: did you get anywhere with the splash screen for gnome.org? I haven't followed the discussion of that too close
[11:07] <PingunZ> andreasn, I made a mockup and other people created new splashes.
[11:08] <andreasn> did they turn out good?
[11:09] <PingunZ> They are not bad ..
[11:09] <andreasn> I'm really glad you picked that up
[11:10] <PingunZ> Bah, I didn't do a lot actually
[11:10] <PingunZ> But they seem to like the text ' Simply Powerful'
[11:11] <andreasn> it's a smashing concept!
[11:12] <PingunZ> Ok, I hacked the new slab code .. now building it  :)
[11:13] <PingunZ> Shite, errors ..
[11:13] <andreasn> hope slab get into gnome upstream soon
[11:13] <PingunZ> it is in the beerorkid repo yet
[11:13] <andreasn> I bet it makes packaging and distro-neatrualness better
[11:17] <PingunZ> brb
[11:29] <PingunZ> I'm taking a look at the Novell GDM's source.
[11:29] <viper550> kwwii_, do you happen to have the source code for the new version of Crystal on Edgy?
[11:29] <PingunZ> they use a 10.24*768 .jpeg files as background O_o
[11:29] <viper550> With the new buttons and gradient?
[11:29] <kwwii_> viper550: you mean the window deco buttons and gradient?
[11:29] <viper550> Yeah..
[11:30] <andreasn> PingunZ: you can probably ask jimmac if he did any special voodoo, he's on vacation right now though
[11:30] <viper550> He didn't do any special voodoo, I think his wallpaper just scales well
[11:31] <PingunZ> Well, I think Edgy's login window should Beat suse's one.
[11:31] <PingunZ> and that is easy to accomplish :)
[11:32] <PingunZ> What makes suse look so good is that they have art everywhere, gfxboot, nice bootsplash, nice login window, nice splash screen, nice wall, ...
[11:33] <PingunZ> They are all based on the wallpaper
[11:33] <viper550> Yeah, I dig how they've did it, ever since Novell took over, they've been looking good!
[11:33] <PingunZ> The splashes of opeoffice etc are based on the wallpaper too ..
[11:33] <viper550> Yeah, CONSISTANCY IS THEIR BIG BUSINESS
[11:34] <PingunZ> I think we should inspire the human theme on the wallpaper too
[11:34] <PingunZ> and create a very nice wallpaper ;)
[11:34] <PingunZ> Suse always looks different too, 9.* was fresh green, 10
[11:34] <PingunZ> *10.* is blue, ...
[11:35] <PingunZ> They don't care about a default color, they just make a very polished distro. In whatever the color is.
[11:35] <kwwii_> well, I made everything from 5.3 to 10.0
[11:35] <viper550> Yeah, 9.2 was a deep Cyan, 9.3 was Green, 10 was Blue, 10.1 was a cyanish again, and 10.2 is a very deep bright blue in places!
[11:35] <PingunZ> *polished distro == art :)
[11:36] <PingunZ> I think Suse's OS sucks but the art is incredible.
[11:36] <PingunZ> For new users Suse is a keeper because it looks so good.
[11:37] <PingunZ> I'd like to see very new and fresh art in ubuntu
[11:37] <kwwii_> hehe, I built a tradition, what luck
[11:37] <viper550> Yeah, make our distro cooler!
[11:37] <viper550> (how do you apply diff files?)
[11:37] <kwwii_> I have done better work in the last 6 months for kubuntu than I ever did in the last 7 years at suse
[11:37] <PingunZ> Not always based on the yellow/brown color.
[11:38] <PingunZ> kwwii_, you were in the suse art team ? :)
[11:38] <PingunZ> is it better structured ?
[11:38] <PingunZ>  or do they have more artists ?
[11:38] <kwwii_> PingunZ: I am/was the suse art team
[11:39] <kwwii_> ie, there was nobody else
[11:39] <PingunZ> meh ?
[11:39] <PingunZ> You made ALL the suse art ?
[11:39] <kwwii_> and I started to work for canonical in March
[11:39] <kwwii_> yepp, all of it...I am co-author of the bootsplash as well
[11:40] <PingunZ> And you're not kidding right ?
[11:40] <andreasn> one really good guy working really hard is usually a good trick
[11:40] <kwwii_> I even made the mousepads and coffee cups
[11:40] <kwwii_> check bootsplash.org and see who owns it
[11:40] <PingunZ> How long are you in the ubuntu-art team kwwii_ ?
[11:40] <kwwii_> shit, google for my name
[11:41] <kwwii_> since early this year
[11:41] <viper550> !language
[11:41] <PingunZ> I believe you kwwii_ :)
[11:41] <kwwii_> I believe you too :P
[11:41] <PingunZ> meh ?
[11:41] <kwwii_> just kidding ;-)
[11:42] <PingunZ> Well, It's an honour to meet an artist like that.
[11:42] <viper550> How would you apply the diff patch that adds in the new Edgy buttons?
[11:42] <cbx33> kwwii_ rawks :p
[11:42] <kwwii_> Hehe, just send your 5$ donation to my account :P
[11:42] <cbx33> kwwii_, there's an update of some of the sounds
[11:42] <andreasn> kwwii_: did you want to discuss the naming-spec at some point? you mentioned it some time ago, but I've been too buzy to contact you about it
[11:42] <cbx33> i'll give you a link if you're interested?
[11:43] <kwwii_> cool, I would love to hear them
[11:43] <cbx33> progbox.co.uk/finals
[11:43] <cbx33> then there is a folder in there
[11:43] <cbx33> with a date as it's name
[11:43] <cbx33> they are all in there
[11:43] <kwwii_> andreasn: yes! we have a list started already (as always, kubuntu is ahead of the pack)
[11:43] <cbx33> Frank and I have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow to discuss them
[11:44] <andreasn> kwwii_: sounds great!
[11:44] <kwwii_> andreasn: the new naming stuff will take place in kde4 so we are on top of all the others
[11:44] <PingunZ> kwwii_, You are also the artist of the SLED 10 ? The only artist ?
[11:44] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:44] <viper550> SLED 10 uses most of the same artwork as 10.1
[11:44] <kwwii_> PingunZ: no, I worked with Jimmac and TigerT for that, but the artwork is almost the same
[11:45] <kwwii_> the KDE is mine, in any case
[11:45] <PingunZ> ok :)
[11:47] <andreasn> kwwii_: lots of stuff that needs to be added? anything needs to be changed?
[11:47] <PingunZ> Is there any chance that custom gimp/inkscape/OOo/ ... could sneak into edgy ?
[11:48] <kwwii_> andreasn: until now, it looks like, lots of stuff that needs to be added
[11:48] <kwwii_> andreasn: the few but important cases of where things over-lap are still to come
[11:49] <kwwii_> :-)
[11:49] <andreasn> kwwii_: ok
[11:53] <viper550> Still, what about the buttons for Crystal?
[11:55] <viper550> (oh yeah, someone ported Tangerine to KDE: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44533&PHPSESSID=d09cf8d82075fc6e1da0c757ed3a8e9c)
[11:55] <viper550> (remove everything after &)
[11:59] <andreasn> hm, interesting
[11:59] <andreasn> and quite nice
[12:00] <viper550> It is missing icons in some places though, but it is nice to see that someone is porting Tangerine to KDE!
[12:01] <viper550> But for now, I'll keep my Crystal XVG
[12:01] <andreasn> well, with the naming-spec and stuff porting wont be needed
[12:01] <viper550> *SVG
[12:02] <andreasn> and kde4 will render the svg's much better
[12:02] <andreasn> so the imagemagick-stuff won't be needed
[12:03] <viper550> Just wondering Andreas, do you know how to intergrate .diff files into source code?
[12:03] <PingunZ> Hey, can I have your opinions/suggests on this, I'm a beginning artist, new to linux and willing to learn ( a lot ) of making linux-art. Atm I use gnome So i'd prefer to make gnome-related art. Where do I start ? I've been hanging around in the ubuntu-art section fow a few weeks now but I'm not experienced enough to create really nice art. So, where do I start ? I'd like to contribute a lot in edgy+1.
[12:03] <andreasn> viper550: I'm totally lost when it comes to stuff like that
[12:04] <viper550> oh
[12:04] <andreasn> viper550: I just draw stuff :)
[12:04] <viper550> oh
[12:05] <PingunZ> bah, apperently not :)
[12:07] <andreasn> PingunZ: any particular area you feel interested in?
[12:08] <PingunZ> andreasn, no actually not. I don't really like to make icons :)