=== Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Just] === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Who_ [n=jonny@212-1-157-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:34] troy_s: you there? [05:36] yes [05:36] who_ what is up? [05:36] I'm doing Blubuntu stuff and Im tempted to add some largeglowing line arcs accross everything [05:36] thoughts [05:37] hrm... not really... depends on how it integrates with your icons/ rest of desky i would suppose. [05:38] troy_s: yea - exactly - I can make it integrate nicely with GDM, wallpaper, lsplash, usplash, but perhaps not the icons... [05:38] its a bit tricky... [05:39] if it is prominent, perhaps you can utilize another motif from the icons to make it cohesive? [05:39] well, with Inkscape it is easy to have a version with a layer for the circles that is hidden [05:39] or if it is subtle, you might be able to get away with it by customizing a few icons. [05:39] of the more highly visible sort. [05:39] yea - I'm afraid the icons have hit a bit of a time stump this realease - I haven't got custom ones yet [05:45] yep [05:45] so you are sort of forced to 'fit in' [05:45] unless you just throw all caution into the wind and go with your look. [05:45] which i suppose is possible too. [05:48] yea. [05:48] I am going to present a 'Blubuntu' and 'Blubuntu Circles' [05:59] grr - it is too late at night - i can't make anything good [05:59] so frustrating - cos I keep trying and it doesn't work so I stay up later!! [06:09] okay, call it a night [06:09] see ya troy_s [06:19] nighty who_ === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Remenic [n=remenic@konversation/user/Remenic] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182055145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host102-254-static.189-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:53] hi === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549570D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:21] ping troy_s [12:22] I had an idea for the new structure of ubuntu-art ... ( not the forum idea ) [12:22] Seperate teams in ubuntu art ( wallpaper, icons, ... ) [12:23] So that if people want to join the team, they select what they are good in . [12:23] And dont get mails about usplash if they dont know anything about it.. [12:24] And every ' team ' would have its team leader(s) who approve or dismiss the art they made. [12:27] So mainly the GTK team asks a nice metacity for its team --> they send their request to the Ubuntu art ( core team ), they approve the request, mail it to the Metacity team. They make one, it gets approved by the Metacity-Leaders and get sent to the GTK team. [12:27] Any comments ? :) [12:28] PingunZ, splitting the GTK & Metacity teams seems awkward - rather just one Desktop Theme team, if we're going to split stuff up [12:28] Madpilot: I'm sorry, what does awkward mean ? [12:29] "too much work", in this case [12:29] ah ok :) [12:29] GTK & Metacity are so intertwined in the whole look of a theme that splitting them doesn't seem to make much sense [12:30] Well, we could put those together [12:30] The base is that Icon makers dont have to make Usplash. [12:30] ya [12:30] And if they can they just subcribe to that mailing list too .. [12:31] But you certainly have a point for the metacity & GTK team . [12:32] IMO this would be more structured .. [12:32] And ( IMO again ;) ) artists would know better what they have to do. [12:33] brb [12:35] b [12:35] Madpilot: Do you like the general idea ? Or [12:36] *Or was it just the GTK/metacity thing ? [12:36] not entirely, TBH. I think one mailing list & a combined team work right now; the art team isn't big enough to warrent splitting up... [12:37] plus, with a combined team/mailing list/etc, you get crossover of ideas - people see a wallpaper idea and use the concept in a splash, or vice-versa [12:37] That what I was worried about too. But then you'll have the Icon theme --> They know exactly what to do. [12:39] That crossover thing might be right ... I'm thinking about a solution .. [12:41] Well, Team leaders communicate with other team leaders, they see a nice wallpaper, tell the Splash team about it and tadam ! [12:41] Bah I dont think this idea will come true anyway .. === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [+o troy_s] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:troy_s] : Welcome! =-=-= Most current news and items https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/ =-=-= Start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork =-=-= Tasks at http://www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs =-=-= === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [-tr] by troy_s === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [+t] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-artwork [-o troy_s] by troy_s [02:04] PingunZ -- you called? [02:05] troy_s: read up :) [02:16] ahh i did... [02:16] I think madpilot is on point with his estimation. [02:18] troy_s: what is estimation ? [02:18] Oh, I found out ;) [02:19] Well I think Madpilot's point was true also but the idea can be modified ... === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:39] troy_s: did you saw my GDM themes ? [02:39] not for edgy, [02:39] but i can help you writing GDM theme [02:40] troy_s: http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=bersace03 [02:44] yo bersace, what about gnomescan? [02:45] lapo: i'm currently working on Hal scanner support [02:45] lapo: but that's quite hard. [02:45] SANE is quite ugly [02:46] bersace: hal scanner support? you mean for example to use is some ways the button you find on most scanners today? [02:46] s/button/buttons/ [02:46] yeah, [02:46] and more [02:47] ubercool [02:47] the first goal is to get ride of the "probe" dialog at each launch [02:47] very cool and needed stuff, bravo! [02:48] I hope to see the result of your work integrated everywhere in gnome relly soon === screechingcat [n=vishu@220.225.177.211] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === screechingcat [n=vishu@220.225.177.211] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-039-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg_ [n=daniel@e182049150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549572BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:18] I've seen those new proposed cursors === klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:03] troy_s, I read your mail about the GDM. With icons ? [08:03] You could accomplish it with .svg icons and a .png background .. === lgespee [n=lgespee@loe.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:09] hello [08:09] does anybody of you know about an Human style GDM theme with face browser? [08:14] lgespee, look on gnome-look, face browsers wont be in ubuntu's default install cause of security reasons. [08:15] PingunZ: alright thanks, I can accept the choice, it is just that a "normal" user I installed Ubuntu for last week didn't want to retype his name everytime [08:15] PingunZ: but thanks [08:15] lgespee, you can enable autologin [08:15] PingunZ: it's a two user system :( [08:15] ah [08:16] look around on gnome-look. they have lots of nice face-browsers. [08:16] PingunZ: but there are face browser themes in Ubuntu default install, there was a Gnome one in it [08:16] PingunZ: it just looks ugly a blueish login and then a Human style desktop [08:16] I didn't know that. I like face browsers too but the idea got dismissed.. [08:17] PingunZ: I will do that, I couln't find any on art.gnome.org but didn't look any further [08:17] lgespee, you could change the background image ? [08:17] gnome-look.org ;) [08:17] PingunZ: I don't know, didn't look for that either [08:18] PingunZ: .org, yeah I got that ;) [08:20] PingunZ: thanks a lot, at gnome-look.org they have a bunch of them [08:21] :) === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn_ [n=andreas@h151n2fls33o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn_ is now known as andreasn === lgespee [n=lgespee@loe.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Ex-Chat"] === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549572BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549572BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549572BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549572BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:34] hey all [10:34] kwii? are you there? [10:34] oh, hi PingunZ [10:35] hmm dapper is behaving wierd, brb ( reboot ) === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:41] Back :) [10:42] PingunZ: hi! [10:43] how are you andreasn [10:43] PingunZ: everything is fine. Got a new and working keyboard for my laptop [10:43] PingunZ: everything fine with you? [10:44] Yeah, I installed SLED today :) [10:44] I copied all their artwork and I'm now taking a look at it. [10:45] copied? [10:45] Yes, just made a copy on my hard-drive and I'm now taking a look at it in ubuntu [10:45] I really don't like SuSE [10:45] ah, I see [10:45] All you need is Slab... [10:45] I have slab up and working yet [10:46] A much better version than the suse one. [10:46] Ubuntu System Panel [10:46] yeah, jimmac did great work with gdm, splashes and stuff [10:46] that guy is great [10:46] I prefer slab to USP. [10:47] Viper550: what is UPS exactly? [10:47] err...usp? [10:47] Some sort of advanced main menu applet by chanders, written in Python, VERY COMPLEX [10:47] interesting [10:47] how does it work? [10:48] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546' [10:48] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546 (don't click the first one) [10:50] hm, so it's like slab, but slightly different and written i python? [10:50] Yep! [10:51] andreasn, and it takes half of your screen :) [10:51] wow, that is weird [10:52] well, I guess people are free to do whatever they like with their own time [10:56] Haha that's a nice way of saying it :) [10:57] I'm building and installing a new hack of slab. [10:58] well, I'm not trying to bash it in any way, I mean, the current system with categories is less than optimal [10:58] Soon, Kickoff will be the big thing [10:58] Kickoff ? [10:58] never heard of that before [10:58] "After the release of the SLED menu and seeing that it was so popular with Ubuntu users, I took it upon myself to do something of our own." [10:58] of our own? [10:59] Yes, stealing it from Suse [10:59] -_- [10:59] IT'S OPEN SOURCE! Come on, it's even on Gnome CVS! [10:59] stealing and stealing [10:59] I'm more afraid of the "Not Invented Here" attitude [11:00] I'm not against it, but they stole it :) [11:00] PingunZ: how do you mean? stole what? [11:00] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 (Kickoff) [11:00] yeah, Kickoff seems nice as well [11:02] Yes, kickoff seems very nice. Too bad its kde-only. [11:04] well, slab seems to solve the same problems as kickoff (and vice versa) [11:04] Oh yeah, this might be a bit hard to customize for other distros, since the eyes move on the lizard! [11:05] k [11:05] [11:05] sorry, my keyboard is weird [11:05] :) [11:06] PingunZ: did you get anywhere with the splash screen for gnome.org? I haven't followed the discussion of that too close [11:07] andreasn, I made a mockup and other people created new splashes. [11:08] did they turn out good? [11:09] They are not bad .. [11:09] I'm really glad you picked that up [11:10] Bah, I didn't do a lot actually [11:10] But they seem to like the text ' Simply Powerful' [11:11] it's a smashing concept! [11:12] Ok, I hacked the new slab code .. now building it :) [11:13] Shite, errors .. [11:13] hope slab get into gnome upstream soon [11:13] it is in the beerorkid repo yet [11:13] I bet it makes packaging and distro-neatrualness better [11:17] brb === PingunZ [n=kristof@44.154-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:29] I'm taking a look at the Novell GDM's source. [11:29] kwwii_, do you happen to have the source code for the new version of Crystal on Edgy? [11:29] they use a 10.24*768 .jpeg files as background O_o [11:29] With the new buttons and gradient? [11:29] viper550: you mean the window deco buttons and gradient? [11:29] Yeah.. [11:30] PingunZ: you can probably ask jimmac if he did any special voodoo, he's on vacation right now though [11:30] He didn't do any special voodoo, I think his wallpaper just scales well [11:31] Well, I think Edgy's login window should Beat suse's one. [11:31] and that is easy to accomplish :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:32] What makes suse look so good is that they have art everywhere, gfxboot, nice bootsplash, nice login window, nice splash screen, nice wall, ... [11:33] They are all based on the wallpaper [11:33] Yeah, I dig how they've did it, ever since Novell took over, they've been looking good! [11:33] The splashes of opeoffice etc are based on the wallpaper too .. [11:33] Yeah, CONSISTANCY IS THEIR BIG BUSINESS [11:34] I think we should inspire the human theme on the wallpaper too [11:34] and create a very nice wallpaper ;) [11:34] Suse always looks different too, 9.* was fresh green, 10 [11:34] *10.* is blue, ... [11:35] They don't care about a default color, they just make a very polished distro. In whatever the color is. [11:35] well, I made everything from 5.3 to 10.0 [11:35] Yeah, 9.2 was a deep Cyan, 9.3 was Green, 10 was Blue, 10.1 was a cyanish again, and 10.2 is a very deep bright blue in places! [11:35] *polished distro == art :) [11:36] I think Suse's OS sucks but the art is incredible. [11:36] For new users Suse is a keeper because it looks so good. [11:37] I'd like to see very new and fresh art in ubuntu [11:37] hehe, I built a tradition, what luck [11:37] Yeah, make our distro cooler! [11:37] (how do you apply diff files?) [11:37] I have done better work in the last 6 months for kubuntu than I ever did in the last 7 years at suse [11:37] Not always based on the yellow/brown color. [11:38] kwwii_, you were in the suse art team ? :) [11:38] is it better structured ? [11:38] or do they have more artists ? [11:38] PingunZ: I am/was the suse art team [11:39] ie, there was nobody else [11:39] meh ? [11:39] You made ALL the suse art ? [11:39] and I started to work for canonical in March [11:39] yepp, all of it...I am co-author of the bootsplash as well [11:40] And you're not kidding right ? [11:40] one really good guy working really hard is usually a good trick [11:40] I even made the mousepads and coffee cups [11:40] check bootsplash.org and see who owns it [11:40] How long are you in the ubuntu-art team kwwii_ ? [11:40] shit, google for my name [11:41] since early this year [11:41] !language [11:41] I believe you kwwii_ :) [11:41] I believe you too :P [11:41] meh ? [11:41] just kidding ;-) [11:42] Well, It's an honour to meet an artist like that. [11:42] How would you apply the diff patch that adds in the new Edgy buttons? [11:42] kwwii_ rawks :p [11:42] Hehe, just send your 5$ donation to my account :P [11:42] kwwii_, there's an update of some of the sounds [11:42] kwwii_: did you want to discuss the naming-spec at some point? you mentioned it some time ago, but I've been too buzy to contact you about it [11:42] i'll give you a link if you're interested? [11:43] cool, I would love to hear them [11:43] progbox.co.uk/finals [11:43] then there is a folder in there [11:43] with a date as it's name [11:43] they are all in there [11:43] andreasn: yes! we have a list started already (as always, kubuntu is ahead of the pack) [11:43] Frank and I have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow to discuss them [11:44] kwwii_: sounds great! [11:44] andreasn: the new naming stuff will take place in kde4 so we are on top of all the others [11:44] kwwii_, You are also the artist of the SLED 10 ? The only artist ? [11:44] :-) [11:44] SLED 10 uses most of the same artwork as 10.1 [11:44] PingunZ: no, I worked with Jimmac and TigerT for that, but the artwork is almost the same [11:45] the KDE is mine, in any case [11:45] ok :) [11:47] kwwii_: lots of stuff that needs to be added? anything needs to be changed? [11:47] Is there any chance that custom gimp/inkscape/OOo/ ... could sneak into edgy ? [11:48] andreasn: until now, it looks like, lots of stuff that needs to be added [11:48] andreasn: the few but important cases of where things over-lap are still to come [11:49] :-) [11:49] kwwii_: ok [11:53] Still, what about the buttons for Crystal? [11:55] (oh yeah, someone ported Tangerine to KDE: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44533&PHPSESSID=d09cf8d82075fc6e1da0c757ed3a8e9c) [11:55] (remove everything after &) [11:59] hm, interesting [11:59] and quite nice [12:00] It is missing icons in some places though, but it is nice to see that someone is porting Tangerine to KDE! [12:01] But for now, I'll keep my Crystal XVG [12:01] well, with the naming-spec and stuff porting wont be needed [12:01] *SVG [12:02] and kde4 will render the svg's much better [12:02] so the imagemagick-stuff won't be needed [12:03] Just wondering Andreas, do you know how to intergrate .diff files into source code? [12:03] Hey, can I have your opinions/suggests on this, I'm a beginning artist, new to linux and willing to learn ( a lot ) of making linux-art. Atm I use gnome So i'd prefer to make gnome-related art. Where do I start ? I've been hanging around in the ubuntu-art section fow a few weeks now but I'm not experienced enough to create really nice art. So, where do I start ? I'd like to contribute a lot in edgy+1. [12:03] viper550: I'm totally lost when it comes to stuff like that [12:04] oh [12:04] viper550: I just draw stuff :) [12:04] oh [12:05] bah, apperently not :) [12:07] PingunZ: any particular area you feel interested in? [12:08] andreasn, no actually not. I don't really like to make icons :)