[03:55] <nixternal> hiya Madpilot!
[03:55] <Madpilot> hi nixternal 
[03:55] <Madpilot> what's up?
[03:55] <osg> hihi
[03:55] <nixternal> trying to get my "ubuntu" monster all setup
[03:56] <nixternal> hiya osg
[03:57] <osg> nixternal: Where are you located?
[03:57] <nixternal> somewhere in chicago
[03:57] <osg> Ah, I am on the west coast.
[03:57] <osg> I have been tabbing over to this channel for a couple of weeks and have meant to get more involved.
[03:58] <osg> Do you write professionally?
[03:58] <nixternal> nope
[03:58] <osg> Ah.
[03:59] <nixternal> im a sys admin by profession
[03:59] <osg> I write professionally for a living and need to figure out how to come home and write more (for Ubuntu).  :)
[04:00] <nixternal> there is definitely alot to write about here thats for sure
[04:00] <nixternal> we "maintain" the wiki, help.ubuntu and wiki.ubuntu, doc.ubuntu, as well as the documentation installed on every ubuntu machine
[04:01] <osg> I work in DocBook and use XML source.
[04:01] <osg> Any need to have ppl write man pages?
[04:01] <nixternal> well, you are definitely in the right location...which flavor of Ubuntu do you use?
[04:02] <nixternal> we use docbook and xml for everything..you familiar with debiandocs at all?
[04:02] <osg> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, if that is what you mean.
[04:03] <osg> nixternal: Not yet.
[04:03] <nixternal> we are working now trying to get everything ready for the freeze on 10/14
[04:04] <osg> Ah, yes.
[04:04] <Madpilot> osg, our main documentation is in docbook; you can check it out of SVN if you want, then submit patches to the mailing list
[04:05] <osg> Ok.
[04:06] <osg> I need to read up on SVN a bit.
[04:07] <osg> I have used it, but it has been over a year.  But, source control mechanisms share much of the same logic.
[04:07] <nixternal> fairly simples
[04:07] <osg> yep
[04:07] <osg> Just don't want to make stupid mistakes and waste people's time.
[04:08] <Madpilot> we've got a good docbook validation script; if that gives a clean report and your changed doc still runs in Yelp you should be good to go
[04:08] <nixternal> there is really only 3 or 4 commands you will use right now....   svn checkout (use this to download everything), svn status (check status of repos), svn up (updates your local svn dir), and svn diff (to create patches)
[04:09] <osg> Thanks.
[04:09] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[04:31] <osg> I see a couple misspellings on this page:
[04:31] <osg> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/keyboard-skills.html
[04:32] <osg> Is it best to e-mail the author or the whole mailing list?
[04:32] <Madpilot> osg, fix them, make sure the XML validates, send the patches to the list - great way to introduce yourself :)
[04:33] <osg> Ah, ok.
[04:35] <Madpilot> so yes, mail your patches to the mailing list, not whoever is listed as the author
[04:47] <osg> Just to be anal, how do I verify the Fingerprint?
[04:48] <osg> I am running this command:
[04:48] <osg> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[05:24] <osg> I am reading this web site:
[05:24] <osg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[05:24] <osg> The following link does not exist:
[05:24] <osg> nano ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/getting-started.xml
[05:25] <osg> err, .xml file.
[05:25] <LaserJock> osg: some things have been changing
[05:26] <LaserJock> it might have moved
[05:26] <osg> Ah, ok.
[05:26] <Madpilot> we've been radically restructuring the Ubuntu Desktop Guide - I'm not sure where anything is anymore, either
[05:27] <osg> Ah, ok.
[05:27] <osg> Anyway, I wanted to make changes to this page:
[05:27] <osg> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/keyboard-skills.html
[05:28] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't see it
[05:28] <osg> And keyboard-skills.xml is not in C. Should I start getting involved with another doc?
[05:28] <Madpilot> osg, looks like that file has been replaced - I just updated my SVN checkout, and it doesn't exist
[05:29] <Madpilot> I need to spend an evening figuring out what Matthew has been doing with the UDG :)
[05:29] <osg> I spotted two typos: keyboars and Applicantions.
[05:29] <osg> Whee
[05:29] <Madpilot> Applicantions - those are things that don't allow you to do stuff, I guess :)
[05:30] <osg> lol
[05:30] <LaserJock> osg: check out linux-basics
[05:30] <LaserJock> .xml
[05:30] <Madpilot> need to go get food, I'll be back later
[05:30] <osg> thx
[05:30] <osg> ttyl
[08:46] <nixternal> robotgeek: you still want to split up the work with the kdg let me know..what sections need work?  we have 2 weeks until the doc freeze for edgy
[08:55] <mdke> Madpilot: that's one of the files from the Gnome user-guide
[08:55] <Madpilot> mdke, which is?
[08:56] <mdke> 04:29:11 < osg> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/keyboard-skills.html
[08:56] <Madpilot> hmm, I'm at revision 3264, so current w/ SVN, but I don't seem to have that file?
[08:57] <mdke> Madpilot: you've got it at /usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C
[08:57] <Madpilot> ah
[08:57] <mdke> the desktop guide now incorporates some of those files (see desktopguide.xml)
[08:58] <mdke> on the preview server those parts are likely to be really out of date, because the preview server is running breezy... so the user-guide bits are breezy
[08:59] <mdke> am I making sense?
[09:00] <Madpilot> possibly, but it's late here... I also haven't been following your changes to the UDG that closely in the last week or so
[09:02] <mdke> anyway, it's basically just that it incorporates the Gnome user-guide
[09:21] <Burgundavia> mdke: the book has some printing stuff we can borrow, I think
[09:21] <Burgundavia> now the book is only CCbysa2.0
[09:21] <mdke> Burgundavia: that would be good
[09:21] <Burgundavia> but canonical owns the copyright, so they can relicense it
[09:22] <mdke> we should move to that too :/
[09:22] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:22] <Burgundavia> given that debian compat is not a major issue for us and we consider the ccbysa2.0 to be free
[09:22] <mdke> yes
[09:23] <mdke> do you know what chapter the printing stuff is in?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> the desktop one
[09:23] <Burgundavia> let me get my copy
[09:23] <mdke> hmm. Isn't in my electronic version
[09:23] <Burgundavia> chapter 4
[09:23] <Burgundavia> I can retype it if neccessary
[09:24] <Madpilot> where is the electronic copy available from?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> afaik, currently nowhere but the copies the authors have themselves, canonical and prentince hall
[09:24] <mdke> System->Help->Book Excerpts
[09:24] <Burgundavia> and the excerpt from dapper
[09:25] <mdke> I can't find any printing stuff, maybe that is out of date
[09:25] <Burgundavia> do you have chapter 4?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> we added the printing stuff pretty late
[09:25] <mdke> I just have the desktop chapter
[09:26] <Burgundavia> that is 3
[09:26] <mdke> ah, right
[09:26] <mdke> can we get an electronic copy?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> ping Jane
[09:27] <mdke> alright. We should have a meeting to discuss the licensing thing, I'd like to sort that ot
[09:27] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:28] <Burgundavia> maybe we should publish a list of things we want done to see if we can get other people to come in and help us
[09:28] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to crash, tired
[09:28] <mdke> night, thanks
[09:29] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:29] <mdke> there is some more good stuff in the book we can use, hopefully. Even if it's a bit late
[09:29] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:30] <rob> mdke: let me know how that meeting pans out :)
[09:30] <mdke> ok
[02:19] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[02:20] <jsgotangco> hey what's up
[02:22] <bhuvan> hello jsgotangco; just wanted to know if we got any update from micah about commits bot
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i cannot say, i just got online after a 4 day break ;)
[02:23] <bhuvan> yeah ok
[02:24] <bhuvan> so where were you 4 days?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> oh just my hometown, folks arrived for a vacation, had to bring them my daughter as well heh
[02:25] <bhuvan> oh ok!
[07:23] <Burgwork> nixternal, loud and clear
[07:23] <nixternal> goto bed at 3, wake up at 7, work til now..im dead
[07:24] <nixternal> we just installed a wireless cisco network in our village hall...man, they have fresh donuts and coffee all day long..so it is true about cops and donuts
[07:25] <LaserJock> heh
[07:26] <nixternal> man..they did a 1/4 million dollars worth or cisco hardware...that was a cool setup..they have their own mesh now
[07:28] <trappist> the picture I get in my head when I hear 'village hall' doesn't jibe with the picture for 1/4 million dollars worth of cisco hardware
[07:29] <nixternal> heh, i wouldn't either, but it is more of a village hall & county center
[07:30] <nixternal> they just reubuilt the entire building..it is over 100 years old, and massive..and then they added to the new structure as well...they have the money, we have the time
[07:31] <LaserJock> trappist: hehe, welcome to bug triage :-)
[07:38] <trappist> LaserJock: no kidding
[07:39] <trappist> wait, I mean
[07:39] <trappist> can I triage now?
[07:39] <LaserJock> trappist: that is some of why I tend to avoid working on bugs I don't know
[07:39] <LaserJock> people tend to get pretty  excited about bugs
[07:39] <trappist> yeah, that.  well, that'll learn me :)
[07:39] <LaserJock> no, don't give up though
[07:39] <LaserJock> you just have to build a somewhat thick skin
[07:40] <LaserJock> as you will probably get yelled at from time to time (especially if they are Main packages)
[07:40] <trappist> oh I still do bugs, but apparently my campaign was an unpopular one
[07:40] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:40] <LaserJock> it was only unpopular to some
[07:40] <LaserJock> and as Simon *is* the Canonical QA guy I think you are pretty ok in what you did
[07:40] <trappist> some very loud and pissed off core developers :)
[07:41] <trappist> who's simon?
[07:41] <jjesse> sflaw
[07:41] <trappist> ah.
[07:41] <trappist> I did notice that I didn't hear anything else after invoking his name
[07:42] <LaserJock> well, yeah, he and dholbach pretty much run the bug triage
[07:43] <LaserJock> I would just keep in good contact with #ubuntu-bugs and sfflaw
[07:43] <LaserJock> and you should be fine
[07:43] <trappist> sounds like a plan
[07:44] <LaserJock> but it is probably wise (at least to start with) to be careful around Main bugs
[07:44] <nixternal> plus you got to remember, it isn't hard to reverse what mistakes you made anyways. i have been there done that as well so don't feel bad at all
[07:44] <nixternal> if you don't make mistakes, how are you to learn?  there isn't #bug-triage-school or anything...no worries bud
[07:45] <trappist> nixternal: well I feel pretty ok because I got buy-off from the right people before doing it.  I knew it was somewhat iffy.
[07:45] <nixternal> sflaw and crimsun are a bug triagers best friend w/o a doubt as well
[07:58] <jjesse> any word from robogeek yet?
[07:59] <nixternal> not yet
[07:59] <nixternal> i pinged him last night, but my internet went down
[07:59] <nixternal> i see him over there ---> though
[07:59] <jjesse> grumble grumble, doc freeze is pushing locser and closer
[07:59] <jjesse> robotgeek: PING !!!!!
[08:00] <jjesse> grin
[08:07] <LaserJock> yelling at him won't make him show up any sooner
[08:45] <trappist> jjesse: uh oh, when is the freeze?
[08:47] <Burgwork> sept 16th, I think
[08:50] <nixternal> 14th
[10:31] <osg> http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2006/08/sudo.gif
[10:33] <LaserJock> haha
[10:33] <osg> If only I could count the times I forgot sudo.
[10:47] <trappist> man that is awesome.
[11:37] <Burgwork> going in this weeks UWN