[02:51] <bddebian> Hello
[03:01] <gotama> Hi There! Has anyone succeeded in installing the scanner Epson Perfection 1270?
[04:41] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:47] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:47] <sbalneav> Hey bddebian
[06:03] <LaserJock> evening
[07:19] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you around?
[07:19] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yep
[07:19] <LaserJock> heah
[07:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22029
[07:20] <highvoltage> good morning sbalneav and LaserJock 
[07:21] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage 
[07:21] <sbalneav> evening highvoltage
[07:21] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Looks good
[07:21] <LaserJock> much simpler than what I had before
[07:21] <sbalneav> Only thing I'd do is ditch the empty declaration of XDG_CONFIG_DIRS= at the top
[07:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:22] <sbalneav> Other than that, looks shweet
[07:24] <sbalneav> You happy with it?  The solution, I mean?
[07:24] <LaserJock> ok, so how am I going to come up with .menu files? :-)
[07:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes, very excellent
[07:24] <sbalneav> Super Duper
[07:24] <LaserJock> it's small, fast, and it works
[07:24] <sbalneav> 12:20 am here.  Need to get up at 6:30
[07:24] <sbalneav> time for bed :)
[07:24] <LaserJock> yikes
[07:24] <LaserJock> sure
[07:24] <LaserJock> good night
[07:25] <sbalneav> Night, dude!
[07:29] <LaserJock> ok, I'm out too
[07:29] <LaserJock> good night highvoltage
[07:29] <highvoltage> night LaserJock!
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i hereby announce the assimilation of abs-cbn foundation into ubuntu and edubuntu!
[08:19] <jsgotangco> bwahahha
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what is abs-cbn again? it sounds very familiar
[08:21] <jsgotangco> well its a television network
[08:22] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABS-CBN
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco, highvoltage
[08:22] <jsgotangco> but i'll be working at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABS-CBN_Foundation
[08:25] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i had a small lunch with the head of GILAS http://www.gilas.org (FLASH)
[08:26] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia 
[08:26] <jsgotangco> so two foundations are now looking into FOSS into their school projects
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: very cool. What are you going to be doing there?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> well mostly doing stuff for E Media, how a traditional TV based education system evolve to something that uses computers
[08:28] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: looks very nice
[08:28] <jsgotangco> its quite challenging
[08:28] <highvoltage> internet in schools+++
[08:29] <jsgotangco> some parts are awaiting for wimax
[08:34] <RichEd> hi guys
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:35] <jsgotangco> we're a go-go-go
[08:35] <RichEd> So is it official jsgotangco ? offer made & accepted ?
[08:35] <jsgotangco> offer is made and quite delish
[08:36] <RichEd> ahhh small lunch with delish offer for desert :)
[08:37] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I've got an hour set aside to put that mail together for you as promised ... 
[08:37] <jsgotangco> the hard part is reallhy e media...
[08:37] <RichEd> note that Canonical is a member of the HP consortium for NEPAD eSchools, and so is Mindset
[08:38] <RichEd> And there is general agreement that partners in the consortium need to network and share opportunities
[08:38] <RichEd> So any discussion will not come in as a surprise from left field to them.
[08:39] <jsgotangco> RichEd: well to be frank, the discussion is not so much into technology, which is not surprising, the issue is more social
[08:39] <jsgotangco> we know technology will work, the question is how ;)
[08:41] <RichEd> Mindset is a social organisation, that uses appropriate tools. It's not "a progress for the sake of technology" mission.
[08:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did tuxlabs provide content? or just a lab and connectivity?
[08:41] <jsgotangco> RichEd: here's the thing, we have content, with a medium that works
[08:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we provide content, but not connectivity
[08:43] <highvoltage> connectivity is only something we're starting to roll out now (a great relief for our support team)
[08:44] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: is the content based in the school curriculum?
[08:44] <highvoltage> yes
[08:44] <highvoltage> it's curriculum alligned and approved by government
[08:44] <highvoltage> the curriculum we use is http://www.computers4kids.co.za, http://www.learnthings.co.za, http://www.mindset.co.za
[08:44] <jsgotangco> that's exactly what we're looking
[08:45] <highvoltage> we wouldn't be able to install the labs so easily with local government approval if we didn't have the right content
[08:45] <highvoltage> unfortunately, non of it is free software :/
[08:45] <highvoltage> although, we do include some free content, such as the SOS Children Wikipedia distribution, Howtoons, etc
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i think the issues are pretty much the same
[08:46] <jsgotangco> i was told that MS sells its OS for $2.50 per PC with GILAS
[08:46] <jsgotangco> USD
[08:46] <jsgotangco> but GILAS still prefers something that is free (in cost)
[08:46] <highvoltage> in south africa, MS gives Windows and MS Office for school for free until 2008
[08:46] <highvoltage> after that i think they have to pay full price again :/
[08:46] <RichEd> highvoltage: The match between eMedia and Mindset is spot on. From the donor philanthropic aims & funding down to delivery by apropriate technology medium, starting with Newspapers, and moving through Video casettes, standard TV, satellite, and onto streaming content.
[08:47] <RichEd> highvoltage: are you sure about the free Windows ? that's not what HP was exposed to.
[08:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: yep, i'm sure
[08:49] <RichEd> The argument from MS was that giving away an operating system is a bad precedent. There is still an OEM charge for Windows, but Office is free. That was the GautengOnline situation.
[08:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: although it only applies to schools that own existing windows licenses (win95, win98, etc)
[08:50] <highvoltage> schools with brand new equipment (like g-o), will have to pay for new licenses
[08:50] <RichEd> So its free if you already have it and donlt need it. But not free if you need it and want it. That sounds about right for the usual attittude ;)
[08:50] <highvoltage> some of our schools have an additional lab, where they went for the free licenses. unfortunately they couldn't show me the agreement (i'd love to take it apart)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> RichEd: with GILAS, everything is donated, but eMedia sells content
[08:50] <highvoltage> RichEd: spot on :)
[08:51] <jsgotangco> the GILAS people also have a project for primary school which is different and geared towards content delivered on satellite, like a tivo
[08:51] <RichEd> highvoltage: I'm offering you free use of a Lamborghini, if you have one already. If not, you are welcome to buy one at retail value.
[08:52] <RichEd> :)
[08:52] <highvoltage> RichEd: i just happen to own a Lamborghini
[08:52] <highvoltage> RichEd: when can I fetch my new one?
[08:52] <RichEd> Great. Feel free to use the existing one without paying me royalties.
[08:52] <highvoltage> heh
[08:53] <RichEd> Note that you will need the necessary paperwork and an affidavit to prove that you can't spell OpenSource.
[08:54] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i think the premise here is we need something that we could refer to. We can't shoot ourselves by introducing an untested medium that makes the existing one obsolete by all avenues even if its untested
[08:55] <RichEd> jsgotangco: Let me get one last positioning statement for Mindset and then I'll leave the topic until I send you the mail
[08:55] <jsgotangco> computers4kids seem to be fine
[09:00] <RichEd> Mindset seeks to educate children. Mindset partners with media channels. Mindset's most significant media partner is MNet, a pay TV channel, satellite via decoder, who's footprint is Africa. MNet channels range from entertainment, movies, sport, kids cartoons. MNet will not support any attempt to dilute the standard pay-TV market. Mindset uses computers in schools to primarily to aid the accessability of normal TV education programs i
[09:00] <RichEd> n a store for replay setup.
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hmm like a tivo
[09:07] <RichEd> right ... I have urgent work I need to do ... CD / DVD education opinions for ogra, proposal for russian education project, and education forward plan for mark
[09:08] <highvoltage> RichEd: when you have a gap, I have some questions for you too, ping me when you have a gap :)
[09:09] <RichEd> (and Mindset mail + suggestions for Jerome)
[09:09] <RichEd> jsgotangco: last comment before I bury my head ...
[09:09] <jsgotangco> yeah?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> RichEd: im supposed to wait something? or was your last statement the comment itself ;)
[09:15] <cbx33> mornin peeps
[09:30] <RichEd> highvoltage: I got disconnected ... did you see my pvt window ?
[09:31] <cbx33> RichEd: anything happeneing on the marketting front? - If you're super busy, put me on ignore mode :p
[09:40] <RichEd> cbx33: answered in private window
[09:42] <Burgundavia> hey! I can actually make a Edubuntu meeting!
[09:43] <cbx33> RichEd: 
[09:43] <cbx33> dang it
[09:43] <cbx33> I havn't identified and I sent you a bunch of replies
[09:43] <cbx33> hang on
[10:42] <RichEd> hi willvdl 
[10:43] <RichEd> you leaving tomorrow ?
[10:43] <willvdl> hi RichEd
[10:43] <RichEd> will you be at the meeting tonight ?
[10:43] <willvdl> tomorrow evening yeah
[10:43] <willvdl> yip. nice an early one for us :)
[10:43] <RichEd> okay ... are you available during the day tomorrow 
[10:44] <willvdl> yip
[10:45] <juliux> morning
[10:45] <cbx33> hhheyy hi willvdl 
[10:45] <cbx33> hi juliux 
[10:45] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[10:45] <willvdl> hehey cbx33
[11:50] <cbx33> ping ogra : only when you have a sec
[02:27] <highvoltage> :)
[02:27] <flint> highvoltage, that was a very quiet meeting that we were in the middle of eh?
[02:28] <highvoltage> i don't think there was an actual meeting
[02:28] <highvoltage> but we clobber up the logs and people sometimes complain
[02:28] <highvoltage> it's best not to have long random conversations in  ubuntu-meeting :)
[02:29] <highvoltage> flint: and we confuse jsgotangco :p
[02:29] <jsgotangco> i still have to remember that some of our meetings are at 4am HERE
[02:29] <jsgotangco> ;)
[02:29] <flint> jsgotangco, that is a very tough schedule for you to meet personally!!!
[02:30] <highvoltage> 1-5am is probably the worst times a meeting can take place
[02:31] <flint> jsgotangco, Jerome, I will be continuing to work on the documentation package I shared with (and stole from) Jonathan, once I get my new house in order.  Note that this will take some time.
[02:35] <jsgotangco> you moved to france?
[02:40] <flint> jsgotangco, nah, Vermont.  I got to to go back to working as an electrician.  Bye for now!!!
[02:52] <spiekey> hello!
[02:53] <highvoltage> hi spiekey 
[02:53] <spiekey> does someone know a easy to use linux school server?
[02:54] <spiekey> it should have some sort of pdc (samba), too
[02:54] <spiekey> since i have a mixed infrastructure here.
[02:54] <highvoltage> you can do samba on Edubuntu
[02:54] <spiekey> well, yes.
[02:54] <ogra> its even preinstalled :)
[02:54] <highvoltage> although it's not automated as much as you'd probably like it to be :/
[02:54] <spiekey> currently i am using sarge. so whats the diffrence? :D
[02:55] <ogra> just not preconfigured
[02:55] <highvoltage> edubuntu has much newer packages than sarge
[02:55] <spiekey> i was hoping to find some easy to use web interface so that the teachers can use it too.
[02:55] <highvoltage> so you can expect less bugs, more optimised software, and a shorter release schedule
[02:55] <ogra> are you using sarge with the debian ltsp-server packages ?
[02:55] <spiekey> nope
[02:55] <highvoltage> are you using ltsp at all?
[02:56] <spiekey> nope
[02:57] <spiekey> they have a weak server and 4 Windows clients, too.
[03:00] <spiekey> i keep bumping into trouble with that M$ crap...every time :(
[03:01] <highvoltage> spiekey: i've been there
[03:01] <highvoltage> spiekey: what kind of problems to you have?
[03:01] <ogra> well, install an edubuntu server, use the existing windows clients as thin client terminals and you wil only have to care for everything in one place ;)
[03:01] <highvoltage> and how powerful are those workstations and server?
[03:02] <spiekey> server is 800MHz and 512MB Ram
[03:02] <spiekey> so are the clients
[03:02] <spiekey> ogra: use the windows clients as linux clients you mean?
[03:02] <highvoltage> that's a lot of ram for clients, they should be able to run as full workstations quite easily
[03:03] <spiekey> they do run well. yes.
[03:03] <highvoltage> do you have any edubuntu live cd's?
[03:03] <spiekey> i actually dont have a problem right now. i just wanted to check out if there is a project which covers linux-server, windows clients, linux clients, printing, internet-proxy.
[03:04] <spiekey> highvoltage: i have installed one edubuntu box here,  and its lovly
[03:04] <highvoltage> i think i've heard of a school server distribution before, but can't remember what it's called
[03:04] <spiekey> http://www.skolelinux.de/ ?
[03:05] <spiekey> but they dont support windows clients i think
[03:05] <ogra> they do as we do ...
[03:05] <highvoltage> no it isn't skolelinux that I thought of
[03:05] <ogra> we're working on quite similar stuff 
[03:06] <ogra> i.e. i develop th enew ltsp and most external contributions come from the skole people ...
[03:06] <spiekey> intresting.
[03:06] <ogra> so what we have is very similar ... just that we base on ubuntu wih all its advantages
[03:06] <spiekey> e.g i am missing some easy tool/interface to change users and add them. So that teachers can do this.
[03:06] <highvoltage> spiekey: there's Wizzy, which is a generic school server, but I don't think it does samba
[03:06] <highvoltage> http://www.wizzy.org.za
[03:15] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[03:25] <jsgotangco> wizzy does things differently
[03:26] <highvoltage> indeed
[03:26] <highvoltage> we have wizzy servers in some of our tuxlabs, although they only do mail and web cache and ldap in our labs
[03:27] <RichEd> hi ogra ... I'm not having any luck finding a place to poll people for Education opinion on DVD vs CD ...
[03:27] <RichEd> #schoolforge is dead ... no members at all today
[03:27] <ogra> no answer on the k12 mailing list ? 
[03:28] <RichEd> I will send a mail to the list ... I haven't sent an introduction to them yet, so will get that both done in one go.
[03:28] <ogra> ah, k
[03:28] <RichEd> We'll be around when they are active, with the late meeting tonight.
[03:28] <RichEd> I'll be able to give you feedback then.
[03:30] <ogra> ok
[03:35] <aspekt> RichEd: I prefer CD based disty - look at Suse - you can have both and if you ask for packages that are on a different CD it asks you to stick the CD. Bulk of packages are on CD1 which is good for 90% of users....etc
[03:36] <cbx33> ogra, did we decide dvd or cd yet
[03:36] <cbx33> i thought of a place to save 2 Mb
[03:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:42] <cbx33> hi sbalneav 
[03:42] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33 
[03:44] <cbx33> howz it all going
[03:45] <sbalneav> I'm doing fine.  Hacking, hacking, hacking.  Now that localdev's starting to wrap up, I'm turning my mind towards the future: what we need to do to get polyp/pulse audio into the mix.
[03:46] <cbx33> oooh nice sbalneav 
[03:47] <willvdl> what exactly is polyp/pulse?
[03:47] <sbalneav> Distributed and/or network audio daemon.
[03:48] <sbalneav> Currently, all LTSP implementations use esd, but esd's got some.... problems.
[03:48] <cbx33> sbalneav, you da man :p
[03:48] <sbalneav> For instance: it can't handle mike input, you can't have any mixer control over it, so you can't set volumes, etc.
[03:49] <cbx33> :(
[03:49] <sbalneav> pulseaudio (they just went through a name change, used to be polypaudio), solves all that.
[03:49] <cbx33> sbalneav, :D
[03:50] <sbalneav> Ties nicely into the gstreamer stack, does QoS monitoring, handles inputs AND outputs, etc.
[03:50] <cbx33> sbalneav, would JACK be able to integrate with that ? heheh
[03:51] <sbalneav> Ummm, I've heard of jack, not sure.  It's got it's own little thing going, right?  It's not gstreamer aware?
[03:51] <cbx33> i don;t think so
[03:51] <cbx33> it handles oss and alsa for sure
[03:51] <willvdl> ah, thanks
[03:52] <willvdl> so it's more than just audio streaming?
[03:52] <sbalneav> Well, in a short sentance, it basically allows you to put an audio card out at the end of a network cable.
[03:53] <sbalneav> Which is what you need for a thin client: when you run a program on the server, you want the SOUND to come out at the thin client.
[03:53] <cbx33> yes
[03:53] <sbalneav> Therefore, you need something to move the sound from the server, to the client.
[03:53] <sbalneav> gstreamer/pulseaudio is that "something"
[03:54] <cbx33> excellent
[03:54] <sbalneav> gstreamer's a set of sound libraries.  The old way of doing sound was to simply write sound bits to /dev/audio.  Thats bad, because it means you can only use the sound card locally.
[03:55] <willvdl> right. audio tunnelling over IP
[03:55] <sbalneav> Rather, what you want to do is call a library function, and then IT can either write to /dev/audio, OR send it over the network, and let something ELSE write it to /dev/audio.
[03:55] <cbx33> sbalneav, is it compressed ?
[03:56] <cbx33> over the network?
[03:56] <sbalneav> the library bit's gstreamer, and the something that receives the network data, and writes it to /dev/audio is pulseaudio.
[03:56] <sbalneav> cbx33: You can turn on or off compression.
[03:56] <cbx33> ok
[03:56] <cbx33> i was just thinking of network bandwidth
[03:56] <sbalneav> On low power clients, with a 100 meg network, you'd be better off to send it uncompresses.
[03:56] <cbx33> yeH?
[03:57] <sbalneav> on a slow network, with a high powered terminal, compression makes more sense.
[03:57] <cbx33> yeh
[03:57] <cbx33> that's cool
[03:57] <cbx33> is that gonna be an edgy + 1 feature?
[03:57] <sbalneav> yep.
[03:57] <sbalneav> Localdevices gets solved in edgy
[03:57] <cbx33> is local apps going in there too?
[03:57] <sbalneav> No, not yet
[03:57] <cbx33> LocalApps makes it all a lot more feasible for my setup
[03:58] <sbalneav> that's a big issue, you need lots of bits for localapps
[03:58] <cbx33> I would imagine you would
[03:58] <sbalneav> i.e. local mounting of home dirs, network authentication, pam tieins, etc.
[03:58] <cbx33> yeh?
[03:58] <sbalneav> We'll probably start looking at the problem for edgy +1 
[03:59] <cbx33> excellent
[03:59] <sbalneav> but I doubt the solution will be complete until edgy + n where n >= 2
[03:59] <cbx33> ahh i see
[04:00] <sbalneav> Off to a meeting.
[04:00] <cbx33> see ya sbalneav 
[04:01] <cbx33> anyone know when knot 3 is due?
[04:05] <RichEd> thanks aspekt ... for the input
[04:09] <jsgotangco> cbx33: when knot 2 comes out first ;)
[04:09] <cbx33> I know
[04:09] <cbx33> but something I'm working on didn't make it to knot 2
[04:09] <RichEd> aspekt: ping for a sidebar ?
[04:10] <RichEd> you there will ?
[04:10] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well knot 2 is scheduled this weekend
[04:10] <jsgotangco> since its september next week, we'll probably have knot3 in 2 weeks or not at all ;)
[04:12] <cbx33> hehe
[04:12] <willvdl> hey RichEd
[04:13] <RichEd> hi ... back to window ?
[04:13] <willvdl> yip
[04:18] <jsgotangco> goodnight all
[04:18] <willvdl> ciao
[04:20] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Just wanted to drop a note that I just found out about XMing -- basically, a very small X server for Windows.  In conjunction with PuTTY, you can forward your X connection from Edubuntu to a Windows machine.  Makes demonstrating to a Windows user MUCH easier.
[04:21] <cberlo> ...and it even works under WINE (for the terminally curious tinkerer who would try such things)
[04:22] <cberlo> ogra: Now that that's working, let me revisit a question I abandoned a while back:  do you know of a way to get pam_mount (or any other SMB-mounting mechanism) to work with "standard" ldm connections?  I need to map drives at login.
[04:23] <cberlo> Okay, I see no one's all there right now... Gotta run.  I'll try send that to the users list.
[04:47] <Yagisan> do we have a list of thin clients that work with edubuntu ?
[04:49] <Petaris> Yagisan: I have been getting my dumb clients from SolarPC http://www.solarpc.com
[04:50] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[04:50] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33 
[04:50] <cbx33> havn't spoken for a while
[04:50] <cbx33> hows tricks
[04:50] <Petaris> Yagisan: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/naig/index.php?album=SolarPC/
[04:51] <Yagisan> had an intresting feeling today - saw some of my code in a different project
[04:51] <cbx33> WOW
[04:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, what was that?
[04:52] <Yagisan> cbx33, yeah - my cmake build scripts were considered interesting and were included in a collection
[04:52] <cbx33> nice
[04:52] <Yagisan> cbx33, usually my code is really awful and no one wants it
[04:52] <cbx33> heheh
[05:03] <sbalneav> cbx33: pingy
[05:27] <RichEd> sbalneav: ping 
[05:28] <sbalneav> riched
[05:28] <sbalneav> RichEd: pong
[05:29] <juliux> evening
[05:29] <juliux> hi RichEd 
[05:30] <RichEd> hi juliux 
[05:33] <juliux> RichEd, did you think we will have edubuntu/ubuntu cds two weeks after edgy ?
[05:34] <RichEd> juliux: I'll need to check the process through Marilize, but I think 2 weeks is a bit optimistic ... 
[05:35] <juliux> RichEd, ok
[05:35] <RichEd> I'm presuming they will want to test before burnring by the thousand ...
[05:35] <juliux> RichEd, sure
[05:35] <RichEd> And then deliver image to pressing & prinmt company
[05:35] <RichEd> And then ship to SA, and then ship to you
[05:35] <RichEd> I'd say this is more that 2 weeks of process (in my estimation)
[05:36] <juliux> ok
[05:38] <ogra> RichEd, two weeks would be fairly late after release day
[05:39] <ogra> what should they test ? thats what we do *before* we release :)
[05:39] <juliux> ogra, hi, but is the image also tested?
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:40] <RichEd> ogra: I thought there may be some sort of window for bug catches before commiting. And Shipit promises : Normal mail, 4-6 weeks.
[05:42] <ogra> well, usually the release is a release ... we test the CDs two weeks all day
[05:43] <sbalneav> ogra: find your 22 megs, BTW?
[05:44] <ogra> sbalneav, see yourself: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060830.1/
[05:44] <ogra> ;)
[05:44] <sbalneav> w00t :)
[05:45] <sbalneav> What did you take your sharp knife to?
[05:50] <Yagisan> hmm. I really need to get off my arse and apply for my edubuntu membership
[05:50] <juliux> go Yagisan go ;)
[05:51] <Yagisan> juliux, thanks. time to document, apt-get dist-upgrade and start hacking again
[05:52] <Yagisan> then I can bother ogra like I used to when I had more free time
[05:52] <ogra> sbalneav, a sharp knife and a grain of luck ...
[05:52] <ogra> well, rather a bolder 
[05:52] <sbalneav> There a meeting today?
[05:52] <ogra> yep
[05:52] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[05:59] <cbx33> ogra, I'll be unable to attend the meeting tonight
[05:59] <cbx33> I'm fighting with pessulus now
[06:04] <ogra> cbx33, i assume AliasVegas wont attend as well ?
[06:04] <ogra> (would be nice to hear something about artwork progress)
[06:04] <cbx33> no but she has some tiem tonight to work on more artwork
[06:04] <ogra> great 1
[06:04] <cbx33> we will probably get back after meeting ends
[06:04] <ogra> !
[06:05] <cbx33> ogra, I've spoken with vuntz
[06:05] <cbx33> and I'm trying to sort out pessulus
[06:05] <ogra> i know
[06:05] <cbx33> but I'm trying to find some docs on some undocumented functions he's using
[06:25] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock 
[06:26] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:42] <EmxBA> hi
[08:15] <airjump> Thin client server
[08:15] <airjump> search some infos
[08:17] <sbalneav> airjump: Are you looking for information?
[08:21] <airjump> yes
[08:21] <airjump> i have a old sun sparc ultra 5
[08:21] <airjump> but no solaris
[08:21] <airjump> i will install ubuntu server on it
[08:22] <airjump> next step is i will install a thin client server
[08:22] <airjump> i have 2 sun ray's
[08:22] <airjump> That can be done ???
[08:23] <airjump> Have you some links?
[08:24] <sbalneav> I'm not sure if sunrays can be used as ltsp thin clients.
[08:24] <sbalneav> I have no experience with them myself.
[08:24] <airjump> i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnSunRay
[08:26] <sbalneav> Well, that seems to indicate it can be done.
[08:26] <airjump> yes
[08:27] <airjump> In two weeks I take the time to try myself 
[08:27] <airjump> Where do you come? 
[08:28] <sbalneav> Myself?  I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
[08:28] <airjump> oh, i am from germany
[08:28] <airjump> what local time is it
[08:28] <airjump> ?
[08:29] <sbalneav> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=294+portage,+winnipeg,manitoba&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=49.893653,-97.142808&spn=0.009137,0.027122&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A
[08:29] <sbalneav> Here's where I'm sitting right at the moment :)
[08:29] <sbalneav> UTC-6
[08:29] <sbalneav> so it's 13:30 here.
[08:30] <airjump> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=45257+Essen,+Germany&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=51.390851,7.080688&spn=0.099619,0.344009&t=k&om=1
[08:30] <airjump> UTC + 2
[08:30] <airjump> local 20:30
[08:31] <sbalneav> Essen
[08:31] <airjump> yes
[08:31] <airjump> city
[08:31] <sbalneav> That's where the big high speed rail crash was a few years ago, right?
[08:31] <airjump> no
[08:32] <airjump> In close proximity to Eschede 
[08:32] <sbalneav> Ah, sorry
[08:33] <airjump> i have a blog http://zille.wordpress.com If you have times 
[08:34] <sbalneav> I'll have a look.  I might have to use babblefish, looks like :)
[08:34] <airjump> Do they work?  Or going to the school? 
[08:34] <airjump> ok
[08:34] <sbalneav> Me?  I'm a sysadmin.  I've been working for 17 years.
[08:34] <sbalneav> I'm also and LTSP developer.
[08:35] <sbalneav> in my spare time :)
[08:35] <airjump> What is LTSP?
[08:35] <airjump> I try to write on English 
[08:35] <airjump> in my blog
[08:35] <sbalneav> Thin Clients for Linux
[08:35] <airjump> ok
[08:35] <airjump> Have you a link
[08:36] <sbalneav> www.ltsp.org
[08:36] <sbalneav> I've been working with ogra for the thin client implentation in Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[08:37] <airjump> https://launchpad.net/people/zielonka-markus
[08:38] <airjump> have you a jabber account
[08:39] <airjump> Excuse my bad English 
[08:39] <sbalneav> No, I don't.  I do all my communicating either via irc or email.
[08:40] <airjump> ok
[08:40] <airjump> you? https://launchpad.net/people/sbalneav
[08:41] <airjump> Were they on the Ubuntucon? 
[08:41] <airjump> Sorry UBUCON
[08:41] <sbalneav> airjump: That's me.
[08:42] <sbalneav> I wasn't at ubucon, but I've been at the last 3 ubuntu developers meetings.
[08:42] <sbalneav> Where they do the speccing.
[08:43] <airjump> can you explain "speccing"
[08:46] <sbalneav> A "spec" is a specification.  Its where the features that will get included in the next version of Ubuntu get defined.
[08:46] <airjump> ok thanks
[08:47] <Burgwork> airjump, I was at Ubucon
[08:48] <airjump> have you a link with photo's
[08:48] <Burgwork> hmm
[08:50] <Burgwork> http://whiprush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/img_6478.jpg <-- only picture I can find
[08:51] <airjump> thanks
[08:51] <LaserJock> wahoo! Ubucon
[08:59] <airjump> What do you mean? wahoo! Ubucon
[09:02] <airjump> ok i say n8
[09:02] <airjump> bye
[09:09] <xipponk> hello, i would like to use a live cd in a lab that has machine running win2000. i don't want the students to be able to access the HD or the win2000 network. does edubuntu allow access to write to the local machine?
[09:10] <LaserJock> hmmm, if the Windows partition is NTFS then it wouldn't be writable I don't think
[09:11] <xipponk> if it is fat32 (i don't know i'm not there right now)
[09:11] <xipponk> does edubuntu have gcc or java sdk installed? pythin?
[09:11] <LaserJock> python
[09:12] <xipponk> right
[09:12] <LaserJock> not sure about gcc
[09:12] <LaserJock> and I doubt java
[09:12] <xipponk> does edubuntu have a packages.txt file?
[09:13] <xipponk> i am at the download sight and all i see are the iso's
[09:13] <xipponk> wait i found the pkg list
[09:14] <xipponk> clever, it's called : edubuntu-6.06.1-live-i386.list
[09:14] <xipponk> sorfry about the dumb question
[09:14] <xipponk> that's a short list
[09:14] <xipponk> LaserJock, are you running edubuntu now?
[09:15] <xipponk> sorry, scratch that i found the manifest
[09:15] <xipponk> gcc-3.3-base 1:3.3.6-10
[09:15] <xipponk> gcc-4.0-base 4.0.3-1ubuntu5
[09:15] <xipponk> ok gcc is ther
[09:16] <xipponk> java-common 0.24ubuntu2
[09:16] <xipponk> java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubuntu1
[09:16] <xipponk> does edubuntu live have jdk ?
[09:17] <xipponk> it has python too.
[09:17] <xipponk> cool
[09:20] <LaserJock> xipponk: no, not at the moment
[09:20] <LaserJock> the live cd is different than an installed Edubuntu though
[09:21] <LaserJock> xipponk: no, edubuntu doesn't have jdk. Sun's java still has license issues I believe
[09:21] <xipponk> LaserJock, do you know what is in these pkgs: java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubunt and java-gcj-compat 1.0.56-0ubuntu1
[09:22] <LaserJock> xipponk: ah, those are free java stuff, I'm not sure what exactly those are though, gimme a sec
[09:23] <LaserJock> "java-gcj-compat is a collection of wrapper scripts, symlinks and jar files.  It is meant to provide a Java-RTE-like interface to the GIJ/GCJ tool set."
[09:24] <xipponk> thanks
[09:24] <xipponk> thanks for your help
[09:31] <willvdl> evening all
[09:32] <RichEd> hello 
[09:32] <LaserJock> hi RichEd and willvdl 
[09:33] <highvoltage> evenin' willvdl 
[09:33] <highvoltage> and RichEd and LaserJock 
[09:34] <highvoltage> willvdl: guess what. telkom phoned today to say that they're installing my adsl line tomorrow, let's hope they get it right this time :)
[09:34] <highvoltage> (brb)
[09:35] <RichEd> busy with an email from a mentalist ... listen to this: "Edubuntu is very similar to Moodle but has some added features and I'm considering switching. "
[09:35] <willvdl> highvoltage, which kidney did they ask for?
[09:38] <Burgwork> right
[09:38] <Burgwork> RichEd, "attention kmart shoppers. Clue can be found in aisle 6 and is on special today"
[09:39] <LaserJock> RichEd: hmm, "Ubuntu is similar to Firefox but has some added features"
[09:39] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:41] <ryanpg> hi all... anyone able to suggest lessonplanning and grading software?
[09:48] <RichEd> Burgwork & LaserJock : he introduces himself as "the founder of an Internet Ministry" do I need to say more ;)
[09:48] <LaserJock> RichEd: which one?
[09:56] <rodarvus> Edubuntu meeting in 5 minutes, right?
[09:56] <RichEd> yes ... 4 minutes ...
[09:57] <rodarvus> ogra, ping
[09:57] <rodarvus> ogra was silent most day, must be quite busy with Knot-2
[09:58] <RichEd> [09:58] <crimsun> rodarvus: hi, did you receive my query regarding the headphone jack?
[09:58] <rodarvus> crimsun, yes! but forgot to answer
[09:58] <rodarvus> actually, I'm not using a headphone
[09:58] <crimsun> ok, np
[09:59] <crimsun> are there two output jacks, though?
[09:59] <rodarvus> but thanks for caring, anyway :)
[09:59] <rodarvus> *nods*, yes
[09:59] <rodarvus> as you said, in front of the laptop
[09:59] <highvoltage> hey rodarvus 
[09:59] <crimsun> so is this an inaudible speaker problem or an inaudible jack(s) problem?
[10:00] <RichEd> [10:00] <crimsun> (feel free to follow up later, I'm in a meeting myself)
[10:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: vodacom 3g can be flakey hey? my connection also just dropped
[10:55] <peanut7836> could i upgrade from kubuntu to have a working ltsp server?
[11:00] <highvoltage> egh, peanut should've just stayed a bit longer
[11:03] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntuland!
[11:13] <pips1> highvoltage: you still here?
[11:14] <highvoltage> pips1: i was just about to log out :)
[11:14] <pips1> I was wondering what is happening with the website... 
[11:15] <pips1> will we do a handover? and if so, when?
[11:15] <highvoltage> pips1: i understood that you would own it now?
[11:15] <highvoltage> pips1: your account has admnistrative access
[11:15] <highvoltage> what can't you do atm?
[11:15] <pips1> ah, well, RichEd said you would send an email to make it official, introduce me to the sysadmin or smth?
[11:16] <highvoltage> ah, right
[11:16] <RichEd> hi ... 
[11:16] <highvoltage> ok, we can do that tomorrow morning?
[11:16] <pips1> sure
[11:16] <highvoltage> pips1: until that's complete, you can start working on it immediately, the formalities doesn't have to cause a delay
[11:17] <rodarvus> guys, since the meeting is closed, then, I'll turn off my computer (thunder storm is really strong, though this is not amazonia :) )
[11:17] <highvoltage> you have full creative control :)
[11:17] <pips1> heh
[11:17] <pips1> :-)
[11:17] <highvoltage> rodarvus: ok, keep well!
[11:17] <rodarvus> see you guys later :)
[11:17] <pips1> highvoltage ok, I'll go wild :-D
[11:18] <highvoltage> pips1: great!
[11:18] <highvoltage> goodnight pips1 and ogra and RichEd and LaserJock 
[11:18] <RichEd> night all
[11:18] <pips1> goodnight highvoltage!
[11:18] <ogra> night all
[11:18] <RichEd> pips ... email address again please ... too tired to do a search on launchpad 
[11:19] <pips1> philipp@din15.org
[11:19] <pips1> outch, I just got myself some more spam too ;-)
[11:20] <RichEd> thanks ... will send you the email in the morning ... with my coffee ...
[11:20] <pips1> oki
[11:20] <pips1> have a good night everyone
[11:51] <RichEd> hi mhz ... we missed each other on monday
[11:52] <RichEd> And I am on my way to bed now ... it's midnight here after a long day
[11:52] <mhz> RichEd: hey!!
[11:52] <RichEd> I've been through your emails ... and digested.
[11:53] <mhz> I never expected you to be here
[11:53] <mhz> great!
[11:53] <RichEd> Let me give you a quick outline of where I am with this ...
[11:54] <RichEd> All sections heads have to prepare a 1 year strategy plan for Mark to review by end of tomorrow
[11:54] <RichEd> It's a full plan: mission, objectives, goals, actions, deadlines
[11:54] <RichEd> In order to give focus and prioritise effort.
[11:55] <RichEd> We have 2 main target sections:
[11:55] <RichEd> 1. adoption - become #1 or #2 in linux in education - within 12 months
[11:56] <RichEd> 2. show value to Canonical - by opening doors for Ubuntu & Services
[11:56] <RichEd> with me so far ?
[11:56] <Burgwork> sounds like a good plan to me
[11:56] <mhz> RichEd: 100%
[11:57] <RichEd> Once this is done, I'll be able to take your territory overview, and map against target sections.
[11:57] <RichEd> I will probably ask you to help me wth this ...
[11:57] <Burgwork> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+education&btnG=Search <-- only distro mentioned is RH
[11:58] <Burgwork> #1 clearly drives #2. Do you have specific plans for #1?
[11:58] <RichEd> Burgwork: will be back in a sec
[12:00] <RichEd> seen this ? : http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5816278551.html
[12:01] <mhz> RichEd: well, I got good and not so good news
[12:01] <RichEd> yes Burgwork : lots of plans :)
[12:02] <Burgwork> hey nixternal 
[12:02] <nixternal> well hello there sir
[12:02] <mhz> RichEd: with the current/new Chilean Gov, a good friend of mine as been designated as Director of FONADIS (national funding for 'accessibility')
[12:03] <RichEd> that sounds like the good news
[12:03] <mhz> RichEd: that is good news. I have already had a meeting with him and he has promised to help me on whatever I need
[12:03] <mhz> BUT... he just can't help mhz (one person) but an organization
[12:04] <mhz> and such organization has to have good background
[12:04] <Burgwork> right, so we need to find a partner
[12:04] <mhz> at least 2 years of life ;)
[12:05] <RichEd> understood ... and from our side, we can't just focus on one person, but a territory ... similar situation
[12:05] <mhz> RichEd: Next week, I'll have a meeting with FONADIS Director of Education
[12:05] <mhz> she is willing to see EDubuntu on action
[12:05] <RichEd> but if we can show how actions can help to meet objectives ... then we get interest & support
[12:05] <mhz> yeah
[12:06] <RichEd> FONADIS Director of Education <- what do they use now ?
[12:06] <mhz> So far, all I need is some kind of 'commitment', 'written agreement'  I am not alone in front of FONADIS
[12:06] <RichEd> m$ in schools ?
[12:06] <mhz> RichEd: nothing. That is why they are soooo interested
[12:07] <mhz> there are lots of people with a11y needs
[12:07] <mhz> and FONADIS has been receiving many 'temptations' from MS
[12:07] <RichEd> okay ... i am too tired to get creative now ... but we need to find the bridge step
[12:07] <mhz> so the FONADIS Director (my friend) has agreed to wait and see what I can offer
[12:08] <RichEd> and we can discuss this together to find that bridge
[12:08] <mhz> before he takes any MS product or services
[12:08] <mhz> RichEd: sure!!!
[12:08] <RichEd> how do you fit with the chilean Ubuntu loco team ?
[12:08] <mhz> RichEd: tomorrow, I will be busy all morning untill 17 UTC
[12:09] <mhz> RichEd: so far, I am the 'leader'
[12:09] <RichEd> I will be busy until midnight ...
[12:09] <mhz> but we are only 6 to 7 guys
[12:09] <RichEd> good ... loco news ... mail me your url
[12:09] <mhz> and 5 of them do not contribute on dauily basis, more in two-weeks basis
[12:09] <mhz> RichEd: okys
[12:10] <mhz> RichEd: firday?
[12:10] <mhz> friday good for a 'meeting'?
[12:10] <RichEd> but as ubuntu community loco leader, this makes you more than just a user
[12:11] <cbx33> hi all
[12:11] <RichEd> after 17 UTC is 7:00 pm for me here ... family time ... 
[12:11] <RichEd> weekend ?
[12:11] <cbx33> how was the meeting
[12:11] <mhz> RichEd: sure, but Gov does not care unless they see something 'written'
[12:11] <mhz> FONADIS, as all other Gov orgs, play by Gov rules
[12:12] <RichEd> when is the meeting ? what day ?
[12:12] <mhz> RichEd: Friday... 16 UTC ?
[12:12] <RichEd> friday after 6:00 pm is difficult
[12:13] <mhz> 15 UTC ?
[12:13] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[12:13] <mhz> weekend?
[12:13] <cbx33> sorry guys looks like the bot didn't manage to log this evenings meeting
[12:13] <cbx33> so minutes are out
[12:13] <RichEd> yes ... weekend is better ... sunday evening ?
[12:13] <RichEd> cbx33: i can send you my local log