Luresebas: one "self.BatteryBrightnessSlider.hide()" missing there (just tried it)12:12
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sebasLure: Should already be fixed, but not committed 12:13
sebasIt's in, indeed.12:15
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alleeInteresting: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  and search for ubuntu12:33
Luresebas: I was wrong - kpm has to lock the screen before suspend/hibernate12:33
LureIt looks like I got confused by my partialy working suspend/resume12:33
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ryanakcaimbrandon: imbrandon_: ping12:44
imbrandonryanakca: wasup?12:44
ryanakcaimbrandon: in the bug report, what is it "Compiled from sources"?12:45
imbrandonallee thats nuts, i thought all that childish ubuntu vs debian was done12:45
imbrandonryanakca: sure12:45
ryanakcaI don't think it's Ubuntu Packages12:45
imbrandonwhat ?12:45
ryanakcawhat? kk = reply to the "sure"12:47
ryanakcaimbrandon: lol "released to often (or do you want to upgrade all your machines every half year and send your staff to a new training?)"12:48
gnomefreakinstead use dapper for for staffed use12:49
gnomefreakmaybe in 3 years there will be another LTS release ;)12:49
imbrandonor use windows and have them sit there on their hands while the virus scanner runs12:49
gnomefreaki dont miss birus scans at all12:50
=== ryanakca thought that everybody got over "that childish ubuntu vs debian"
gnomefreakwho is still on it?12:50
gnomefreakdebian cant touch ubuntu IMHO :)12:50
imbrandoni dunno , not realy a disscussion for in here though, i'm off to bed, gnight folks12:51
ryanakca[18:29]  <allee> Interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  and search for ubuntu12:51
ryanakcasee yah12:51
gnomefreaknight imbrandon 12:51
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imbrandongnomefreak: you know knoversation has this nifty feature "/nick kdefreak" </scarcasim>12:52
gnomefreakdropped all my names except this and thunderstruck :(12:53
ryanakcayes... I think I should adopt that nick...12:53
ryanakcakdefreak... I like it12:53
imbrandonryanakca: btw you dont have to hilight both my names, hilight will work on either / or 12:54
ryanakcaimbrandon: really? good :)12:55
gnomefreakmine does too :)12:55
ryanakcaimbrandon: I was wondering if you had two things running... work and home or something...12:55
imbrandon_one is my lappy12:55
imbrandonone is a build machine12:56
ryanakcadidn't know which was which, even though "imbrandon_" has "imbrandon" in it... so yeah12:56
imbrandonmy file server i also irssi from sometimes12:56
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imbrandonbuild a cluster12:56
ryanakcaSysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 35/186GB, RAM: 345/375MB, 161 proc's, 8.0d up12:56
ryanakcaimbrandon: with what?12:56
imbrandonwow my video card has that much ram hehe12:57
imbrandonryanakca: i dunno, what ever you can get ahold of12:57
ryanakcaimbrandon: I have 2*(pentium 1 + 32mb ram)12:57
imbrandoni built one from xboex at one time ( its still running but not as a build cluster )12:57
imbrandoncool , see thats a start12:58
imbrandonget to know clustersing and ccache and distcc with those12:58
ryanakcabut that combined is less than this12:58
imbrandonbut it will get you familiar with it and then you can expand later12:58
imbrandonand you dont have to fubar your "production box" while doing it12:59
=== ryanakca is going to build himself a computer... mind donating to the "Ryan Needs 949.47CAD For A New Computer Fund" ?
nixternal<imbrandon> wow my video card has that much ram hehe12:59
imbrandonheh you can buy a amd64 dell for $400usd or less12:59
ryanakcaimbrandon: just a second, I'll get you the specs of the hardware...01:00
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imbrandoni need to find my suse ppc iso anyhow01:01
nixternalummm..dell don't do amd, just intel, but they start under $300 now ;)01:01
imbrandonnixternal: your right i ment compaq, my dad just picked an amd64 3400+ up with 2 gig of ram and a nvida vid 256mb ram with a 160gb sata hdd for 399$01:02
ryanakcamy cousin works for dell01:02
ryanakcayes, nice01:03
imbrandonif dell does intel only i will never buy from them , probably why i never have01:03
nixternalimbrandon: if you want cheap, the linspire machine at frys is only $13001:03
imbrandonnot for me silly01:04
ryanakcawhat about hp?01:04
imbrandoni have all the computers i need01:04
imbrandonryanakca: i build my own 90% of the time01:04
imbrandonbut hp/compaqs arent bad01:04
imbrandoni am on a hp right now01:04
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ryanakcaimbrandon: yeah.. *pokes at the hardware list*01:04
nixternali rob the trains when they roll through ;)01:04
imbrandonryanakca: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/workzone.jpg01:05
ryanakcathat's very... umm... organized :)01:06
imbrandonhttp://www.imbrandon.com/misc/eric_n_duck.png  <-- my son that turns two friday , and now i'm off to bed01:06
ryanakcathat a mac?01:06
imbrandonthe notebook is01:06
ryanakcasee yah01:06
imbrandonan ibook01:06
nixternalruns linux that looks like windows, and oh, the keyboard is microsoft as well...you all, i think we have an infiltraitor (i spelled that way wrong)01:06
ryanakcayes, I think so too.. at least he could've done himself a favour and blured the screen01:07
imbrandonnah i'm proud of my kde royale skin01:07
nixternalmy mom uses it ;)01:08
nixternaland she still hasn't realized she is using Kubuntu either01:08
imbrandonryanakca: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png01:08
nixternalshe asked me 2 questions...where is aol?  and where is IE?01:08
ryanakcaWell.. that's simple... rename konqueror to Internet Explorer in the .desktop... she'll never know the difference :)01:09
ryanakcaimbrandon: nice... they should switch to kubuntu at school and use that theme... see how long it takes before people catch on01:10
ryanakcaimbrandon: aren't you going to bed? :P01:10
nixternaloh ya..konqueror is the cough*worst*cought web browser i have used...and firefox 2 is a close 2nd01:10
ryanakcanixternal: konqueror is OK... it's not great01:11
ryanakcafirefox 2 = crap... it crashes every other minute01:11
nixternali need a script that will change the css depending on the browser that comes through01:11
ryanakcaand Opera is just wierd01:12
nixternaloh, mine doesn't crash..it just doesn't render correctly01:12
ryanakcanixternal: you can do that with JavaScript...01:12
ryanakcahmmm... renders fine here... just like FF 1.5... but it's unstable01:12
nixternali go back to 1.0.5* and it renders great...in 2 its a different story, and in konqi, oh man watch out..i have floating tabs on a webpage in konqi01:12
nixternalhttp://home.comcast.net/~nixternal   <- look at that with ff 1.0.5*, ff 2, and konqi...neither of them look the same01:13
ryanakcayou still advertise FF?01:15
ryanakcaI don't have 1.0.5*01:15
imbrandonyea i'm off to bed but i bet there is a -offtopic somewhere that would love to hear all aobut ff vs konq 01:16
ryanakcanixternal: I don't notice any difference... am I blind?01:17
nixternalim checking..i may have fixed it and don't remember now ;)01:17
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viper550Hi again everyone!02:14
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ryanakcaI have a package-version.tar.gz that extracts to  package/   can I rename it to package-version/ and repackage it?  dh_make -e ryanakca@gmail.com -f ../package-version.tar.gz  gives me errors, because the source dir isn't package-version02:40
ryanakcaerrors: LN1 "The directory name must be <package>-<version> for dh_make to work!"   LN2 "I cannot understand the directory name or you have an invalid directory name!"02:41
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HobbseeWHAT THE????04:52
=== Hobbsee has just seen the "fully charged" icon for kde-guidance.
HobbseeRiddell: *ouch*04:53
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HawkwindFully charged icon ?05:01
Hobbseeit's very bright05:01
HawkwindShow us, show us!05:01
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Hobbseebye all05:04
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nixternalanyone else have 3 battery icons in taskbar? ;)05:42
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rouzicWhat's Blubuntu?05:55
HawkwindA blue version of Ubuntu ?05:56
rouzicDo they extract a new version for a different color?05:57
HawkwindI've never heard of Blubuntu05:58
HawkwindFirst hit on google05:59
HawkwindSo it seems I was actually right.  A blue version of Ubuntu05:59
rouzicA version with different color? But if into Gnome it is possible to change the themes06:00
rouzicBut it is Ubuntu's derivation or is the color that they were implementing in Edgy?06:02
rouzicnixternal: Great06:05
nixternaleveryone of my kdm splashes look like that except for the vmware one..the vmware one is just black06:05
rouzicI like the theme for KDM06:07
nixternalit is rather buggy right now, but yes, it does look good06:07
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rouzicand the splash?06:09
nixternalsplash looks good, but buggy right now06:10
nixternalactually...i had one login background that was messed up, but looked like it was meant to be that way..and it looked really cool06:10
nixternalit was hacker looking, because it had like a image of pbuilder running, irc, emacs, a couple of web pages and a brief image of amarok06:11
rouzicAnd will Kubuntu Edgy's predetermined color be a purple?06:13
rouzicIf Kubuntu's logo and KDE's predetermined appearance is blue, to that this change of color comes?06:20
nixternalcouldn't tell you honestly06:24
rouzicoks ;)06:24
rouzicThe color does not seem to me unlikely purple, but when Kubuntu and KDE use a predetermined color, to change the theme should imply changing the logo, color of the web, etc06:26
yuriyHobbsee: yeah that icon is scary (especially since i have a desktop o_O)06:28
yuriynixternal: i have 2 icons...06:28
nixternali have one now, after right clicking and quitting ;)06:30
Hawkwindnixternal: Is there any place we can see an image of the Kubuntu logo in purple that is being used, or the shade of purple ?06:30
nixternali haven't seen it yet06:30
nixternalwell i have, i just can't remember where06:31
nixternaland it was in konqi only i believe06:31
HawkwindI'd really like to see this purple stuff.  Purple happens to be my favorite color.  06:32
HawkwindI'm wondering if it's more of a blueish purple, or an actual purple purple06:32
nixternalsame as the current purple 06:33
nixternalalright..busy day tomorrw...time for some sleep06:33
HawkwindCurrent purple ?  KDE stuff is blue, as is Kubuntu06:33
nixternalg'nite all06:33
nixternalkubuntu edgy == purple06:33
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rouzicHi all07:44
Hobbseehey rouzic 07:45
rouzici have a dude07:46
rouzicI can get up-to-date to Edgy without problems from dapper?07:46
Hobbseei doubt it07:47
rouzicIs it necessary to update with the package kubuntu-desktop installed?07:47
rouzicOks :)07:47
rouzicThanks for all Hobbsee ;)07:47
Hobbseewell, things will break less wiith that07:47
Hobbseethey will break at all, i expect07:47
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Tonio_hi all10:25
kwwii_hi Tonio_10:26
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Tonio_hey kwwii_ :)10:26
kwwii_imbrandon: you are right about the folders in kmail, btw...not sure what I was thinking last night10:26
Hobbseeheya Tonio_, kwwii_ 10:27
=== Hobbsee notes that the guidance icons are very orange
=== Tonio_ notes that katapult looks very buggy on edgy
Tonio_opening configuration dialog results a segfault10:28
Tonio_can someone confirm it isn't a local issue before I report ?10:28
kwwii_ouch...i didn't touch anything to do with that :p10:28
HobbseeTonio_: i cant confirm, alt+space, then ctrl+c, click on configure...katapult10:28
kwwii_Hobbsee: which icons do you mean?10:29
Hobbseekwwii_: the bright orange/green ones for the power manager kde-guidance10:29
Tonio_Hobbsee: works for you ?10:29
HobbseeTonio_: seems to work here, yep10:29
kwwii_Hobbsee: of the 6 icons I made for a given state, only one is orange (the 40%)10:30
kwwii_4 of them are green and one has a small red part10:30
Hobbseegah.  if i kill katapult, i cant restart katapult using katapult functionality!10:30
Hobbseesilly hobbsee10:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: can you do that test please ?10:31
Hobbseekwwii_: true that.  the orange on is just the one that i see now.  they all (green, orange, red) seem to be very bright10:31
Tonio_Hobbsee: echo "SystrayIcon=true" > ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc10:31
Tonio_then killall katapult && katapult10:32
Tonio_and right click on the icon, then configure10:32
Tonio_segfault on all my machines10:32
HobbseeTonio_: yep.  nothing10:32
Tonio_Hobbsee: so it fails for you too10:33
Tonio_but alt + space works, if my understanding is correct10:33
Hobbseeit works here - it dosetn segfault10:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: hum..........10:33
Tonio_how is that possible ? ;)10:33
HobbseeTonio_: config file?10:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: nope, since it doesn't work here with exactly the same thing10:34
HobbseeTonio_: you're not using skim, or any weird apps?10:34
Tonio_well in fact I have this is the output10:34
Tonio_Failed to open device10:34
Tonio_KCrash: Application 'katapult' crashing...10:34
Tonio_but that's all10:34
Tonio_looks normal10:34
insanekaneHobbsee: skim is not a wierd app ... it is required for most of the world except for basic latin10:35
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Hobbseeinsanekane: i realise that.  however, we've had bug reports where konsole wont appear transparent at all, and skim is for some reason, the culprit10:36
alleeTonio_: care to add knemorc in k-d-s:10:36
insanekaneHobbsee: its probably not skim ... it is most likely, X thats the culprit ..10:36
allee[General] 10:36
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm trying to build dapper version of katpult to confirm this is due to latest version10:37
alleeTonio_: reduces CPU usage considerably10:37
Tonio_allee hu ?10:37
insanekaneHobbsee: kaffeine fails to start with Skim ... but when it was looked at further, it was found to be xlibs10:37
HobbseeTonio_: right, yep10:37
Tonio_allee a great10:37
alleeTonio_: knemo can use now /sys instead of i{f,w}config, route10:37
Tonio_alleedoing that now :)10:38
Hobbseewhat's the default screensaver?10:38
Hobbseeapart from "none"?10:38
insanekaneHobbsee: anyway, Katapult works here with Skim10:39
Hobbseeinsanekane: right, okay10:39
insanekaneHobbsee: is there supposed to be a systray icon ?10:39
Hobbseeinsanekane: i suspect it's disabled by default10:39
Hobbseeinsanekane: run alt+f2, katapult, then hit ctrl+c10:39
Tonio_allee I'll probably add a yakuake config file, since lots of people are using it10:40
insanekaneHobbsee: it shows the config dialog10:40
insanekaneHobbsee: katapult doesnt use Skim :/10:40
Tonio_allee is katapult working for you ?10:40
HobbseeTonio_: that needs merging, too10:40
alleeTonio_: heh I'm an old fashied konsole user10:40
alleeTonio_: what was the short cut?10:41
freeflyinganyone used usp?10:41
Tonio_alt + space10:41
Hobbseekwwii_: are you aware that the grey of "username" and "password" on the kdm screen is almost unreadable?  apart from that, the black looks really cool :)10:41
freeflyingor can it run in kde10:41
kwwii_Hobbsee: I was afraid of things like that happening10:42
kwwii_Hobbsee: I will have to make them a bit darker then10:42
Hobbseekwwii_: true that.  you probably mean a bit lighter?10:42
insanekaneHobbsee: anyway, it does show the config page10:42
kwwii_Hobbsee: so the text (username, password) is too dark because of the darker bg?10:43
=== insanekane makes mental note to remind Katapult devels about input methods :)
kwwii_Hobbsee: didn't you mention that you are missing a background pic or such?10:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: building old version of katapult works here10:44
Tonio_everything is working10:44
Tonio_so I assume there is something weird in the code10:44
Hobbseeinsanekane: right10:44
Hobbseekwwii_: um?  what, like most of my config here?  i got most of that bad10:44
Tonio_I will diff to try to get it10:44
kwwii_Hobbsee: sounds like your system is messed up :p10:45
Hobbseekwwii_: hehe, it's more unmessed up now10:45
kwwii_how does one start powermanager?10:45
Hobbseekwwii_: unfortunately, i cant protect myself from user error much10:45
kwwii_unmessed-up is my word of the day10:46
kwwii_that is soo totally unmessed-up10:47
Tonio_if someone can confirm this : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/katapult/+bug/5817810:50
UbugtuMalone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  10:50
Hobbseeis there anything major that we want to change in main?10:52
HobbseeTonio_: like k-d-s?10:53
Tonio_Hobbsee: you mean ?10:53
Tonio_Hobbsee: I want to change anything failing :)10:53
HobbseeTonio_: knot 2 freeze notice just gone up10:53
Tonio_katapult for example ;)10:53
HobbseeTonio_: well, yeah, obviously :)10:53
HobbseeTonio_: lets just release a broken system, then people can say how edgy+1 is so good.10:54
Tonio_Hobbsee: kds is kubuntu native package, we should be able to change it until the end10:54
Hobbseein comparison10:54
HobbseeTonio_: i realise that - this is just the freeze for knot 210:54
Tonio_Hobbsee: are we able to upload now or should we wait a bit ?10:54
HobbseeTonio_: ask10:54
HobbseeTonio_: you'r eprobably okay10:54
Hobbseethe notice has only just gone up10:54
Tonio_Hobbsee: it has just started...10:56
Tonio_so we can't upload10:56
Hobbsee...unless we want/need to get any changes in before they freeze10:56
=== Hobbsee cant upload there anyway.
_Simeis Riddell in neighbourhood?10:57
Hobbseei dont think so11:00
Hobbsee_Sime: what did you want him for?11:00
_SimeTeam kdelibs and kdebase need to know that I've put a new patch up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia .11:01
_SimeThe patch needs to be added to kdebase.11:02
_Simeand taht should put the storage media kicker applet in order.11:02
Hobbsee_Sime: yay :)  main just froze for knot 2 - is this crucial to be in knot 2?11:03
kwwii_Hobbsee: do you think that the shape of the battery icon is ok? or should I change that too when I touch up the colors?11:03
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Hobbseekwwii_: it looks very wide, for some reason.11:04
kwwii_Hobbsee: that was exactly what I was thinking as well11:04
kwwii_and I already made it thinner than the first version11:04
Hobbseekwwii_: heh, right11:04
kwwii_the hardest part is that I cannot test it on my machine11:04
Hobbseekwwii_: you cant?11:05
kwwii_nope, the cursor changes and it beeps, then dies11:05
kwwii_does one have to start it as root?11:05
Hobbseei'm not sure, whatever the default is...11:06
Hobbseei dont think so, no11:06
_SimeHobbsee: it can wait.11:06
Hobbseenotice to all:  Kubuntu meeting next thursday - 2100 UTC (ie, over a week away)11:07
Hobbseeunless that's inconvenient for lots of people11:07
freeflyingHobbsee: have you added to fridge11:07
Hobbseefreeflying: nope11:07
Hobbseefreeflying: havent even emailed it to kubuntu-devel@l.u.c yet11:08
freeflyingHobbsee: how about the last one?11:08
Hobbseefreeflying: huh?11:08
freeflyingHobbsee: kubuntu meeting11:08
Tonio_Hobbsee: you were talking about a default screensaver ?11:18
Tonio_is there one done for kubuntu ?11:18
HobbseeTonio_: i dont know, apparently it's "no screensaver"11:18
Hobbseefreeflying: yes, what about the last kubuntu meeting, sorry?11:19
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes but which one to choose ?11:19
Hobbseei cant be exhausted - it's only 7pm!11:19
HobbseeTonio_: blank is better than none11:19
Tonio_argh !!!!!!!!!11:19
HobbseeTonio_: otherwise pick random11:19
Hobbseeheh, what?11:19
Tonio_Hobbsee: have you seen the patches on katapult ?11:19
Tonio_how can I maintain this ?11:19
Tonio_look kubuntu_01 patch11:19
HobbseeTonio_: i havent.  bug mez when he's around11:20
HobbseeTonio_: isnt mez the maintainer of it, for good reason?11:20
Tonio_Hobbsee: the point is I don't understand why nobody did the syncbefore11:21
Tonio_since kubuntu IS developping the application ;)11:21
HobbseeTonio_: ah.  no idea here either.11:21
Tonio_that doesn't make sense11:21
HobbseeTonio_: exactly.  mez stepped away from all things linux for a while11:21
Tonio_Riddell: when you're arround about this :)11:21
Hobbseeindeed, it's fallen thru the cracks11:21
Tonio_I'm buildging currently to figure out if that resolves my bugs11:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: the point is I'm not the only one touched11:22
Tonio_toma and danimo can confirm those bugs too, and they were discussed on kubuntu-fr, means lots of people are touched :)11:22
Tonio_the point is why does it work for you ?11:23
HobbseeTonio_: right.  no idea, apart from kubuntu being in french/german for you guys?11:23
Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe, it works :)11:24
Tonio_my problems are gone ;)11:24
Tonio_fucking cool ;)11:24
Hobbseeyay :)11:24
Tonio_now let's add the horrible patch ;)11:24
Tonio_9949 lines11:25
Tonio_most of them are kind of hexa code...........11:25
Tonio_argh !11:25
Tonio_okay let's go...11:25
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Tonio_I will need this11:26
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Hobbseethere's kopete default settings too,if you wanted11:26
Hobbseeof course, why you're doing this now, when we'll have to wait a while for after freeze, is an interesting question11:26
Tonio_Hobbsee: what are we changing to kopeterc ?11:26
Tonio_send me an email with the changes, I'll add them to kds11:27
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Tonio_Hobbsee: then when all of that is done, THE big bug, but I don't know if someone can fix it11:27
Tonio_appart from kde developpers themselves11:27
HobbseeTonio_: which the big bug?11:28
Tonio_Hobbsee: sata dvd not automounting on kubuntu, no action selection dialog11:28
Tonio_not even on the desktop11:28
HobbseeTonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/5038711:28
UbugtuMalone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Medium,Confirmed]  11:28
Tonio_looks like working with 3.5.4 on dapper, so I presume an issue with our hal version11:28
Tonio_something like that11:28
Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't agree with problem A11:29
Tonio_if this guy lives in a james bond world, that's okay11:30
Tonio_but the current settings are commonly used on most instant messenging11:30
HobbseeTonio_: heh, true.  i wasnt at the meeting where they discussed it11:30
Tonio_and since that can be changed by the user, I don't see the point11:30
Tonio_if he wants to hide, then he configures it and that's it11:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: hum, I missed this one too11:31
Tonio_when was it ?11:31
HobbseeTonio_: months ago11:31
Tonio_Hobbsee: and what was the decision ?11:31
Tonio_because I really opose to this11:31
HobbseeTonio_: @ the end of the bug report11:31
Hobbseeotherwise, feel free to reject and explain11:31
Tonio_oups riddell haded me to the bug, I never saw it....11:32
Tonio_well I really opose to this11:32
Tonio_it goes against the IM purpose11:32
Tonio_I will try to rediscuss before changing it....11:36
Tonio_if you want to hide, don't expect everyone to do the same ;)11:36
HobbseeTonio_: true that11:36
Tonio_can you imagin everyone will have to manually set if he is online or not ?11:37
Tonio_that's a complete nonsense11:37
Tonio_how can they approve this ?11:37
Tonio_that's fairly stupid and goes against usability11:37
HobbseeTonio_: go ahead and reject it - i wasnt even at the meeting11:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: well I don't want to go against a meeting decision too11:38
Tonio_I just don't understand it11:38
HobbseeTonio_: iirc, the consensus was "if a user wants it that way, then change it" - rather like "we dont care, we just left it at the defaults"11:39
Hobbseeso going against the meeting decision wouldnt be so bad11:39
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, the point is problem B11:40
Tonio_I have to figure out what those settings do exactly11:40
Tonio_what was decided is "don't display if I'm typing something11:41
Tonio_that's a very usefull setting11:41
Hobbseeer, they did?11:43
Hobbseethat's pretty stupid11:43
Hobbseeindeed, it's veryuseful11:43
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Tonio_I wan't to know if the guy is typing, because that prevents from typing when the other is discussing11:51
Tonio_okay I'll reject11:51
Hobbseecool :)11:51
Tonio_sorry for the meeting, but that's totally stupid decision11:51
Tonio_usability is prior to paranoia for me11:52
RiddellTonio_: put it on the agenda for next meeting we can re-look at the issue11:52
Tonio_cause that's not a privacy violation11:52
Hobbseemorning Riddell!11:52
Tonio_Riddell: sure, that was what I wanted to do11:52
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Tonio_Riddell: do you approve those settings or not ?11:52
Tonio_that's not "privacy violation"11:53
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Tonio_that's just the purpose of an IM :)11:53
=== Hobbsee should really do something useful
Tonio_Riddell: I'm preparing an UVF exception for katapult, resolves all my bugs with it11:53
RiddellTonio_: I can't even remember the issue :)11:53
Tonio_Riddell: paranoia :)11:53
RiddellTonio_: is there a new upstream release?11:53
Tonio_Riddell: yup11:53
Tonio_Riddell: the point is your big patch :)11:54
Riddellnice of mez to tell me11:54
Tonio_Riddell: Version (Latest)11:55
Tonio_we have
Tonio_Riddell: and it really works better for me11:55
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably ping ervin from kde for the sata devices issue12:02
Tonio_since I don't think anyone of us can fix this12:02
kwwii_Hobbsee: thanks for the critic on the powermanager icons, the improved version looks much better :-)12:07
Hobbseekwwii_: woo!  can i try them out?12:08
Hobbseekwwii_: i think Lure mentioned it yesterday too12:08
Tonio_kwwii_: did you change them ?12:08
Tonio_I don't have them here actually :)12:08
Tonio_kwwii_: snapshot available ?12:09
kwwii_I am in the process of making the different stages now, after which I will export them and put them online12:09
Tonio_kwwii_: okay, thanks :)12:09
kwwii_...then you can all complain that I made them even worse :P12:09
Tonio_kwwii_: I won't, since I really love the work you've been doing till now12:10
Tonio_kubuntu will have a real identity now, pretty cool12:10
Tonio_and no more blue :)12:10
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Hobbseekwwii_: hehe12:11
kwwii_I really hope that edgy is better than dapper, at least :-)12:11
Tonio_kwwii_: I must purple reminds me a bit of suse, but that's beautifull :)12:11
Tonio_kwwii_: it is12:11
Tonio_no comparison12:11
kwwii_well, I made the purple at suse and the blue and the green, so unless I make it red, one can always say that :-)12:12
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Tonio_kwwii_: hehe12:12
Tonio_okay so katapult should be okay now...12:13
Tonio_Hobbsee: how about klipper ?12:13
HobbseeTonio_: what about it?  i dont use it, sorry12:13
Tonio_Hobbsee: well it has a nasty bug12:13
Tonio_segfault when parsing the config file12:14
Tonio_it works without any config file, but fails as long as you configure it yourself12:14
Tonio_Hobbsee: the downgrading patch for kwallet seems to work :)12:14
Tonio_no more complains about it since I did this12:14
Tonio_Riddell: I just hope you don't mind the method, since it is a really crappy way to resolve the issue12:14
HobbseeTonio_: ah :)12:15
Tonio_Hobbsee: I downgraded to 3.5.2.... upstream doesn't seem to give a shit at debuging this12:15
HobbseeTonio_: ahhh...12:16
Tonio_Hobbsee: can you imagin it is a general issue, major, and that he didn't fix it for 2 month, even while kde was releasing 3.5.412:26
Tonio_the diff is only 10 lines....... that doesn't make sense12:26
HobbseeTonio_: ouch12:26
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Tonio_Hobbsee: yes :)12:27
Hobbseewell, the icons on the kicker - the tooltip, etc, looks much nicer :)12:27
Tonio_we now have our yast hehe :)12:27
Hobbseedinner time.12:28
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lexhiderHi, I'm inviting anyone interested to our konqueror bug squashing day at #konq-bugs on freenode. If you are interested in bug triage to get the bug number down, swing by and lend a hand.12:29
Tonio_Riddell: should I change kds to use o2display with katapult ?12:40
Tonio_because your currently patches are not of any use if I don't change this :)12:40
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RiddellTonio_: yes but we're frozen now for Knot12:48
Tonio_Riddell: I know, but I'm preparing the packages12:49
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alleeTonio_: upstream had two patches for kwallet. I've not checked them yet01:08
Tonio_allee I haven't seen anything concerning this on the bug report....01:08
alleeheh, starting guidance-power-manager several times fill systray with icons ;)01:09
alleeTonio_: they address BUG: 11305701:10
Tonio_allee this is different from our bug01:12
Tonio_completly different01:12
alleeyes, otherwise we would have got an e-mail01:12
Tonio_yes ;)01:12
Tonio_allee http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12916101:13
Tonio_here it is01:13
UbugtuKDE bug 129161 in general "kwalletmanager does not show up in systray any more since upgrade to KDE 3.5.3" [Normal,New]  01:13
Tonio_upstream is aware for two month01:13
Tonio_Riddell: have you tested your patches on katapult ?01:23
Tonio_Riddell: it fails here... the profile isn't build and if I patch Makefile.in, it ftbfs01:23
kwwii_still needs a bit of work, but it is coming along01:36
Tonio_kwwii_: nice ;)01:36
kwwii_back the the basketball game (germany vs. usa)01:38
kwwii_halftime is over01:38
LureRiddell: did you manage to sneak in new powermanager for Knot2?01:46
Lure(we should, as old is bugy)01:46
Lureallee: yes, know problem - we should use KUniqueApplication, but cannot (yet) due to some PyKDE lmititation 01:47
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Tonio_Riddell: it looks like we miss automake depandancy on katapult since we patch Makefile.am file :)01:55
Tonio_this is the reason it fails to build01:55
RiddellLure: it says it built but it's not on todays CD for some reason01:56
Tonio_Riddell: well in fact it builds but ignores o2display01:56
LureRiddell: that is bad... I would like to see positive reports and not complaints about stupid bugs ;-)01:58
LureRiddell: do we also need to rebuild something due to dbus upgrade (half of GNOME was rebuilt)01:58
Riddellah, there was no live fs buit last night01:59
HobbseeLure: ah, so dbus did get thru then.01:59
LureHobbsee: it looks like (this is only way to explain the flood on edgy-changes01:59
HobbseeLure: right, yep02:00
Hobbseeit wasnt me!02:00
LureRiddell: also the version from yesterday has bug that it does not show tooltip for laptops w/o brightness control02:00
LureRiddell: current svn rocks (with El's usability changes)02:01
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RiddellLure: oh?  when was that done?02:02
LureRiddell: sebas had nighlty hacking season ;-)02:02
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Hobbseehey el 02:02
elhey Hobbsee 02:02
Hobbseethat was close.02:02
Tonio_Lure: are you ready ? I have THE trick for you ;)02:04
Tonio_what's this shit........ I don't understand02:04
LureTonio_: what trick?02:04
Tonio_Lure: look at this :02:04
Lureel: sebas implemented most of your usability feedback on powermanager02:05
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elLure, cool :) 02:05
Tonio_Lure: if you can explain me this, you are the man......02:05
Tonio_Lure: I don't understand02:05
elhi Tonio_ 02:05
Tonio_el: hey ;)02:05
Tonio_Lure: first part is an extract from the buildlog, and second part is the tarball structure02:06
Tonio_Lure: that doesn't make sense at all02:06
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LureTonio_: funny ;-)02:06
Tonio_Riddell: it looks like your patches don't work 02:07
Tonio_Riddell: no issues on the current package since we don't have autoconf, so Makefile.in isn't rebuilt and o2display is simply ignored02:08
Tonio_Riddell: but when I do this correctly, I get this error.....02:08
imbrandonwho broke kdm login /me looks at kwwii_02:08
Tonio_2 hours trying to understand, but really, now I'm lost02:08
Tonio_Lure: any idea maybe ? please :'(02:08
LureTonio_: would need to look into, but I am busy (no time)02:09
Tonio_Lure: okay, thanks02:09
Hobbseeimbrandon: define "broke"?  colours?02:09
Tonio_Lure: I'll try to investigate more, but that's really strange02:09
imbrandonHobbsee: yea the theme is broke, bad colors, no background02:10
imbrandonbrb food time 02:10
Hobbseeimbrandon: ahhh02:10
imbrandonHobbsee: voyager will be flakey for next 1.5 hours as i am upgrading some things02:10
Hobbseeimbrandon: right, okay02:10
Hobbseeimbrandon: glad you're telling me that *now*02:10
Hobbseeimbrandon: you were lucky by about 10 seconds.  if that.02:11
Hobbseeimbrandon: anything quicker, and i would have made you ping whoever's in charge of ubuntu archives, over an incomplete upload02:11
imbrandonit would have just rejected it and you could have reuploaded 02:12
Hobbseeimbrandon: ah right.02:12
imbrandonRiddell: ping , how long before the knot freeze is over? i have a sime related kdebase patch almost ready ( ~20 more minutes or so )02:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: ages, it only got put in place a few hours ago02:17
imbrandonyea but knot freezes usaly dont last long, only enought to make the cd and fs images iirc02:17
Riddellimbrandon: when it's released02:17
imbrandonRiddell: ahh ok well i'll still get it ready02:17
Riddellwhich won't be for a while yet02:18
imbrandonyea 24+ hours02:18
imbrandonguess i should have done this yesterday instead of goofing off, heh , well you live and learn 02:18
imbrandonbtw moins all 02:18
Riddellunicode smileys are now banned here02:19
Riddellcos I say so02:19
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Hobbseeimbrandon: :D02:20
Riddellok, that could be too harsh02:20
HobbseeRiddell: it's a common joke in -offtopic, but he wasnt there to boot earlier02:20
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Riddellimbrandon is the one you should be hugging02:21
=== Hobbsee hugs imbrandon as well then
Hobbseeanyone else i should hug?02:21
Tonio_Lure: found it02:21
imbrandonheh ok gone ;)02:22
Tonio_Lure: admin folder is very old, and incompatible with autoconf 2.602:22
Tonio_Lure: since we patch Makefile.am we need automake/autoconf to rebuild automake.in02:22
Tonio_that's why I get this02:22
Tonio_Riddell: I'll ping mez to upgrade the admin folder02:23
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Hobbseeimbrandon: oh, i guess this is useless to you now, but ktorrent isnt shipping with translations/installing them02:24
imbrandonRiddell: the knot freezy dosent touch universe though right ?02:24
Hobbseeimbrandon: true02:24
imbrandonHobbsee: yea i have that fixed in 2.0.2 02:24
Hobbseeimbrandon: cool :)02:24
imbrandonthe german guy bugged me about it 3 days hehe02:24
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Hobbseehaha, worth fixing then02:24
imbrandonyea i'm fixing up the newest sime patches and fixing the uvf for 2.02 ktorrent and fixed a amarok bug and ummm what else am i doing this moring02:26
imbrandon..... *thinks*02:26
imbrandoni guess thats about it for now, waiting for the buildd to finish all those rebuilds to i can sync my mirror 02:26
imbrandonsudo remove hobbsee_op02:27
Tonio_Riddell: would you suggest to rebuild the tarball or upgrade the admin folder with a patch ?02:27
imbrandondoh dident work02:27
Hobbseeimbrandon: hah.02:27
Hobbseeimbrandon: but op abuse is such fun :)02:27
Tonio_Riddell: I think rebuilding the tarball is better but I'm unsure :)02:27
Hobbseeimbrandon: and that means you have to deal with all the exploits, flooders, etc, yourself02:27
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imbrandonHobbsee: nah just in here02:27
Hobbseeimbrandon: :(02:28
imbrandonheh ok voyager is safe for a few hours ( but i dunno how much cpu time you'll have as amarok + kdebase is compiling heh )02:29
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Hobbseei need to get to bed at a decent hour tonight, anyway02:29
imbrandoni wont reboot again till the dbus rebuilds hit the archive02:29
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imbrandonohh Riddell no need to put amarok 1.4.2 actualy ON kubuntu.org anymore , you can just do an announcement and let people konw how to enable dapper-backports ( its in the dapper-backports archive now with all needed libs )02:30
imbrandonwant me to write it up so you can just "post" it ?02:31
RiddellTonio_: either is fine02:31
Riddellimbrandon: cool02:31
Riddellimbrandon: sure02:31
HobbseeRiddell: ditto kopete 0.12.202:32
imbrandonHobbsee: i'll include that in the announcement too ( and ktorrent )02:32
Hobbseeimbrandon: ah right02:33
imbrandontomarrow konversation 1.0 is released ;)02:33
Hobbseewoo :)02:34
imbrandonwell i guess one good thing is coming out of a buggy-as-hell firefox beta in the archive , i get to use konqi more as a browser02:35
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Hobbseeno one can steal my firefox!02:36
Tonio_Riddell: well I can directly add Makefile.in with the patch, probably better for uvf exception request, since it implies less changes on the package structure02:37
RiddellTonio_: don't patch Makefile.in, just run buildprep02:37
Tonio_Riddell: no need to patch it since it doesn't exist in your patch, only Makefile.am exists02:38
Tonio_and automake/autoconf is failing because of the old admin folder....02:38
Tonio_that's why it makes so many changes on the tarball, and I would prefer to avoid that, no ?02:39
RiddellI don't care about Makefile.in being in the .diff.gz02:40
Tonio_Riddell: okay02:41
Tonio_Riddell: hum, the problem is that latest admin folder is using unsermake02:42
Tonio_Riddell: honnestly, that makes hudge changes to the tarball....02:43
Tonio_pain to maintain...02:43
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RiddellTonio_: then remake the .orig, best thing to do with a silly upstream02:51
Tonio_Riddell: okay, will do02:52
RiddellTonio_: you mean latest from KDE?  3.5 branch won't use unsermake02:52
Riddellunless you have unsermake installed of course02:52
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, just noticed this :) I will remove it first :)02:52
Tonio_Riddell: thanks for the tip02:53
imbrandonRiddell: you got mail(tm)02:54
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kwwii_what is broken with kdm?02:59
imbrandonkwwii_: no middle image, no background , ummmmm03:00
kwwii_ouch...no idea about that03:00
imbrandonno menu image without hover03:00
kwwii_I know that I gave all images to Riddell :-)03:00
imbrandonheh basicly big broke03:00
imbrandoni dunno howto screenshot kdm ;(03:00
imbrandonor i would03:00
sebaschvt + fbgrab maybe? Or xnest03:01
imbrandonahh xnest i always forget03:01
imbrandonone sec03:01
imbrandonkwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss14.png03:02
imbrandonit works "functionaly" but all the art is broke as pictured heh03:03
imbrandonwell atleaste i'm assuming it shouldent be black03:04
kwwii_it is my new theme "black craziness"03:05
kwwii_like it?03:05
HawkwindAre there links anywhere with the new purple look for Edgy by chance for us to view ?  I'm interested in seeing just how 'purple' the new look really is03:05
imbrandonHawkwind: just take the 14 out of that last url i posted03:05
imbrandoni ahev a few03:05
imbrandonnot official03:05
_Simeimbrandon: BTW, I'm probably going to have a patch for the "System Menu" applet with in the next 24 hours. (media:/  => /media/ and homes:/  => /home/)03:07
imbrandon_Sime: cool ok03:07
imbrandoni was just applying the others ones now 03:07
imbrandon( from the bottom of that page )03:07
HawkwindSo why the change from blue to purple since KDE's color is blue and Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE ?03:08
HobbseeHawkwind: because it's fun :)03:08
imbrandonHawkwind: true but kubuntu != kde03:08
imbrandonjust as ubuntu != gnome03:08
imbrandonever seen an orange gnome ? heh03:08
imbrandonbesides its fairly trivial to change it back to blue ( as i do )03:09
HawkwindI'm just curious.  Purple happens to be my favorite color so I'm not complaining.  Just wondering if purple will be the color of Kubuntu from here on out03:10
imbrandonwell for the edgy release atleaste03:10
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HawkwindI was looking at Blubuntu last night.  Lot of good theme work done on that03:11
HobbseeHawkwind: who knows.  i suggested purple, because i thought it might look nice, and people decided it was cool.  who knows what we'll find next time *shrugs*03:11
imbrandonyea who is awesom03:11
imbrandonwho is amost as good as kwwii_ heheh03:12
imbrandontbh i hate purple but the way its done so far in edgy its "tollerable" hehehe03:12
imbrandonby __me__03:13
HawkwindHobbsee: Well it was a great idea.  I hope purple sticks permanently.  It's just kind of surprising to see a distro based on a wm and have a different color scheme.  It's nice03:13
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imbrandonmine hasent in a long time03:14
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imbrandonbut i take lots of asprin 03:15
jdonggrr, the irony.... can't open vicodin bottle.....03:15
imbrandonhahahaha Hawkwind ;)03:15
jdongstupid childproof cap03:15
imbrandonHawkwind: i forgot about that one03:15
Hawkwindjdong: They are actually adult proof it seems at times :)03:15
HawkwindWow, I must admit, that purple does look really nice03:15
omeowadept won't start anymore =/03:19
imbrandonfeature or bug, heh just teasin, why omeow03:19
omeowI don't know why. I get prompted for a password and then nothing happens.03:20
DaSkreechYeah that happens from time to time03:20
DaSkreechSame thing with Firefox03:21
DaSkreechSome days it just doesn't want to open03:21
Tonio_Riddell: works, thanks for the tip ;) I didn't knew buildprep had been merged with kde.mk03:21
Tonio_very usefull ;)03:21
imbrandondid you try running it from console to see the error , does no good to run a dev os if you dont try to debug it, but you can ask in #ubuntu+1 about debugging it03:22
DaSkreechstrace I guess03:23
omeowimbrandon, I found the reason. I ksysguard listed about 10 running instances of adept_manager under my name.03:23
omeowHow come I didn't see any of them? Adept should notify me if it's already running. 03:24
imbrandonreporduce it reliably and then file a bug, i dunno03:24
Tonio_Riddell: I was generally using makebuilddir instead....03:25
jdongE: Couldn't find package libifp-dev03:27
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jdong!info libifp-dev dapper03:27
ubotulibifp-dev: communicate with iRiver iFP audio devices (development files). In component universe, is extra. Version (dapper), package size 45 kB, installed size 168 kB03:27
jdongoh, that is totally buildd's fault :)03:27
imbrandonhuh ?03:28
imbrandonjdong: you know !info only updates every 6 hours so it might be off a bit, best to check packages.u.c if you need definate answers03:29
jdongamarok was just under dep-wait for libifp-dev03:29
jdongwhich confused the heck out of me03:29
jdongah, setback...03:30
imbrandonamarok shouldent build against libifp-dev03:30
jdongamarok is in main, libifp-dev is in universe03:30
imbrandonthats in universe03:30
imbrandonjdong: yea why is it trying that, the edgy one dosent03:30
jdongI'm not sure :(03:30
imbrandonthats not good03:30
RiddellTonio_: we have a broken kdm image, looks like I need to do a k-d-s upload, anything else I should include?03:31
imbrandonit shouldent be using that at all if its grabbing the edgy source03:31
jdongumm, the edgy one is indeed building against libifp-dev03:31
Tonio_Riddell: not at the moment03:31
jdongthere's a build-dep on libifp-dev, according to p.u.c03:31
imbrandonhrm ...... shiznit /me looks03:31
HobbseeTonio_: default screensaver?03:31
imbrandonyea in edgy its in main i bet 03:32
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes but that can be done later03:32
HobbseeTonio_: cool03:32
imbrandon!info libifp-dev edgy03:32
ubotulibifp-dev: communicate with iRiver iFP audio devices (development files). In component main, is extra. Version (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 168 kB03:32
imbrandonyea , shit03:32
Tonio_Hobbsee: what is the default screensaver we should use ?03:32
Tonio_that's the question03:32
HobbseeTonio_: blank or random03:33
imbrandonand that cant be promoted in dapper03:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: I disagree with random cause that can cause an issue with people who don't have glx enabled03:33
imbrandonso its either rip it out in edgy ( that i dont want to do ) or not backport it03:33
HobbseeTonio_: point.03:33
HobbseeTonio_: or just randomly pick one03:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: why not discussing this with kwwii_ :)03:34
Tonio_kwwii_: you should be concerned by this no ?03:34
jdongimbrandon: yeah, we're kind of in a tough situation regarding amarok then :-/03:34
Tonio_Riddell: you can upload, I'll add my work later, no pb03:34
HobbseeTonio_: because he wasnt here earlier03:34
Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe03:34
imbrandonRiddell: any thoughts before i just say can the backport03:34
RiddellTonio_: already have :)03:35
Tonio_kwwii_: ping, my dear ?03:35
imbrandonand put it on kubuntu.org03:35
Tonio_Riddell: hehe03:35
Riddellimbrandon: what is the issue?03:35
imbrandona lib it builds against is in main in edgy but not dapper03:35
imbrandoni lib i would rather not rip out of edgy's build03:35
kwwii_yeah, the screensaver is a very good point03:35
kwwii_that would be a good place to use a simple branding idea03:36
jdongbackports does offer the ability to do source changes03:36
jdongimbrandon: I'm not sure how it works, but siretart would03:36
imbrandonjdong: ahh ok lemme ping him then03:36
Riddellimbrandon: if it is in universe for dapper that should be ok no?03:36
imbrandonthat would be the way to go03:36
Tonio_kwwii_: yes, I agree03:36
jdongRiddell: buildd won't build main packages against universe libs03:36
imbrandonRiddell: well apparently the buildd dosent like that it is03:36
imbrandonits in dep-wait atm03:37
imbrandoni'll see what sireheart thniks about source change to the backpoort03:38
kwwii_to be honest, I never looked into making a screensaver before03:38
kwwii_guess we could find something simple to hack03:38
Hobbseekwwii_: there are plenty there, but we need to choose something, otherwise people think it doesnt wrok03:39
Riddellkubuntu has no screensaver by default03:39
HobbseeRiddell: yes, which generates a few questions.  it should be at least blank or something03:39
Hobbseepeople seem to think it's a bug.03:39
Riddelljdong: I am out of ideas then03:39
jdongRiddell: well, we'll wait for siretart's word on source mods 03:40
Riddelljdong: it seems like a bug in the backports implementation to me, this sort of thing can not be too uncommon03:40
DaSkreechTonio_: Can't we make a none-GL random?03:40
Tonio_DaSkreech: looking.... that would be nice indeed, although I would prefer a kubuntu screensaver in the first place :)03:41
jdongRiddell: yeah, IMO backports should be allowed to build main packages against universe, but I doubt I'll ever argue that one through :)03:41
Tonio_kwwii_: there are screensavers that can use an image, so maybe we can use one of those with a kubuntu nice stuff no ?03:41
DaSkreechRiddell: Would we be allowed to ship Kubuntu with a slew of Kubuntu pics?03:42
kwwii_Tonio_: yepp, that would be my first idea :-)03:42
HobbseeDaSkreech: what of, though?03:42
Tonio_kwwii_: ;)03:42
Tonio_kwwii_: let me investigate which candidate first03:43
kwwii_Tonio_: cool :-)03:43
DaSkreechHobbsee: Not Sure Tonio wants Kubuntu stuff :) the easiest way would be to have a folder of Kubuntu things (sub folder of Examples maybe?) that could be used as a screensaver03:44
DaSkreechI think the easiest thing would be to build a random list that has no GL screensavers in it03:44
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omeowHow do I get around this message? Reinstallation of linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-25-k7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.03:45
omeowI used adept to install nvidia-glx, and it also installed modules for i386 instead of my actual arch, k7.03:45
Tonio_kwwii_: why not simple "clock" with a background ?03:50
imbrandonRiddell: looks like infinity will "fix" the backport buildd's to use main+universe after the knot release, so i would hold off on that email i sent you03:54
imbrandonas it wont work atm anyhow LOL03:54
kwwii_Tonio_: sounds like an idea03:54
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HawkwindHmmm, so if Kubuntu Edgy is going to be purple, does this mean we should change the Kubuntu forums to purple too04:06
HobbseeHawkwind: if you like04:07
HobbseeHawkwind: there's going to be a kubuntu meeting, thursday next week, 2100 UTC - can you be there?04:07
HawkwindYeppers I shall be there.  Hopefully I can get abattoir and Jucato to be there too04:08
kwwii_Riddell: new powermanager icons are here --> http://bootsplash.org/powerManagerIcons.tar.gz04:08
HobbseeHawkwind: cool.  got stuff to present at it?  add it to the agenda if you do :)04:09
kwwii_Hobbsee: take a look at inkscape --without-gui --export-png="../oxygen/${smallsize}x${smallsize}/"$( echo $icon | cut -d . -f -1 ).png --export-dpi=72 --export-background-opacity=0 --export-width=${smallsize} --export-height=${smallsize} $icon :-)those and tell me if you like them04:09
kwwii_paste in the wrong place04:09
Hobbseei didnt think that quite looked right :P04:09
kwwii_take a look at them and let me know if you like them04:09
Hobbseekwwii_: do i take the top link?04:09
kwwii_yepp :-)04:10
HawkwindHobbsee: Can you link me to the agenda ?04:10
imbrandonin /topic04:11
imbrandonHawkwind: ^^04:11
HobbseeHawkwind: /topic, yeah04:12
Hobbseekwwii_: square, but they look nice :)04:13
Hobbseekwwii_: you're not taking on the "shiny" look for theM?04:13
Hobbseecant tell if they're a little bright04:13
Hobbseeguess i could chuck them wherever they install to, and restart the applet04:13
jdong_oh boy, we have someone on ubuntuforums trying to use the LiveCD installer with 64MB RAM :-/04:14
Riddellcan someone e-mail fridge about the meeting time04:14
Riddelljdong: tha is very much not supported04:15
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, i'll do that, and k-devel04:15
imbrandonnixternal: ping04:15
HobbseeRiddell: it's fridge@l.u.c or something?04:15
jdong_Riddell: LOL, no it isn't :)04:15
imbrandonHobbsee: fidge-devel@l.u.c04:15
imbrandonHobbsee: or poke them in #ubuntu-fridge04:15
Riddelljdong_: although we should probably do something sensible like a popup saying you will get problem and should use the alternate cd04:16
jdong_Riddell: I'm thinking our livecd boot scripts should check how much RAM it has before blindly booting04:17
jdong_Riddell: like the CD sort of boots with 192MB but everything is so slow that it's not even funny04:17
alleekwwii_: pw icons: there's no icon for a desktop system (has no battery but may want use hibernate/suspend brightness ...)04:17
Riddellallee: it will not show in that case04:17
Riddellwell, it will at the moment, but it shouldnt04:18
HobbseeRiddell: sent04:18
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : + Next Meeting: 7 September, 2100 UTC
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/ | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/ | TODO: Gamin fixes at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Merges at: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings - Next Meeting: 7 September, 2100 UTC
alleeRiddell: so no 'easy' hibernate/suspend for desktops (if available)?04:19
Hobbseethere :)04:19
Riddellallee: it will be on the logout dialogue thanks to lure04:20
alleeRiddell: hmm, yeah, good04:21
HobbseeRiddell: emailed fridge & kubuntu-devel @ l.u.c04:22
Hobbseejjesse: sorry about the time - can you make it?04:22
RiddellHobbsee: thanks04:23
imbrandonHobbsee: s/fridge/fridge-devel right heheh04:23
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HobbseeRiddell: not a problem.  that's part of my job, isnt it?  :P04:23
=== Hobbsee has heard of that album :P we have it in au. i'm surprised
DaSkreechLaundry Service?04:24
HobbseeDaSkreech: yeah, name of the album04:24
imbrandonshakira rocks , but i do need to remove that jotkey, when i press the windows key it hsows my music LOL04:24
Hobbseei used to know why, too04:24
imbrandongets me in trubble sometime heh04:25
DaSkreechYeah I figured. I guess it'll make sense one day04:25
imbrandonDaSkreech: laundry service is the name of the album04:25
Hobbseeimbrandon: i think i beat you by 6 lines :P04:26
DaSkreechimbrandon: I know that. I'm saying that the name doesn't make any sense to me04:26
imbrandonDaSkreech: most album names dont ;P04:26
DaSkreechLike Hurricanes and Butterflies or Appetite for Destruction04:26
DaSkreechimbrandon: I guess :)04:26
Hobbseekwwii_: can i just dump those icons in /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics/powermanager/ and use them?04:26
Hobbseekwwii_: to see what they look like in my system?04:26
imbrandon"chocolate covered starfish and hotdog flavord water"  is my favorate album name ;)04:27
DaSkreechOh yeah. For that sole reason I've never listened to Limp Bizkit again04:27
imbrandonlol 04:28
imbrandonlimp bizkit rocks04:28
kwwii_Hobbsee: I guess so, since it doesn't work on my system I have never tried that though04:28
Hobbseekwwii_: the png's, i take it04:29
Hobbseekwwii_: didnt seem to, i may have to fiddle.  *shrugs*04:33
Hobbseeguess the next version will copy them over anyway04:33
kwwii_yepp, the pngs04:33
kwwii_I guess you need to restart kicker04:34
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Hobbseeapart from /usr/bin/etc04:34
Hobbseekwwii_: neat.  still very bright though :)04:35
Hobbseekwwii_: i kept trying with the battery full one, which didnt get changed.04:35
Hobbseeoh man...it's 12.30 again.04:35
Hobbseei was going to go to bed at about 10pm.04:35
jjesseyou are always staying up too late Hobbsee04:37
Hobbseejjesse: true that.  i'm *not* a morning person04:37
Hobbseeand i was going to do more on my assignment04:38
jjesseHobbsee: is there anyway we can move the meetings to 20:00?04:38
Hobbseei clearly *didnt* do any04:38
Hobbseejjesse: um.  not at the moment04:38
jjesse21:00 i can never make :(04:38
Hobbseejjesse: not if you want me to be awake and coherant04:38
jjessei'm always on the road home from work04:38
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Hobbseejjesse: of course, if you guys dont need me around, then you can hold the meetings at whatever time you like04:39
jjessegrin but we want you around :)04:39
Hobbseejjesse: if i cant stay awake for a 10am uni class, i wont be able to wake up for a 6am meeting and be coherant04:40
Hobbseespeaking of which, i'm going to bed!  nyah!04:40
danimogrml, the ubuntu kernel resume is really broken :}04:40
jjessejust go back to bed in bewteen the 6am mtg and 10am class :)04:40
danimoor suspend04:40
Hobbseejjesse: seeing as the meetings finish at about 8, currently....that's hardly feasible :P04:41
imbrandonor goto bed earlier04:41
jjesseah 04:41
=== Hobbsee has it on her to-do list to change that a bit
Hobbseeimbrandon: heh.04:41
jjesselet's make mtgs only last an hour04:41
Hobbseeimbrandon: well, yeah04:41
Hobbseejjesse: yeah, tha'td be good04:41
Hobbseejjesse: usually i'm not really awake enough to keep them in order, and i dont chair them.  guess i could help with that though, if Riddell wanted04:42
=== Hobbsee is hte kubuntu community manager now, after all
Hobbseeit's my job to poke everyone :P04:42
jjessejust make sure Riddell keeps them under an hour :)04:43
=== Hobbsee still cant spell.
Hobbseejjesse: i could harrass him over the phone i guess, but id' really prefer not to do that04:43
Hobbseejjesse: of course it helps when i have about half the agenda :P04:43
Tonio_hehe ;)04:50
Tonio_love this ;)04:50
Hobbseeah yes, hehe :)04:50
=== Hobbsee made Seveas laugh with that
SeveasHobbsee, Tonio_ that comic is from xkcd.com 04:51
SeveasI love that comic04:51
Tonio_Seveas: ah ? interesting :)04:52
Tonio_kttsmgr.........; what a horrible name for an app04:52
HobbseeSeveas: sudo fix all the bugs in malone04:52
SeveasThis one made me laugh really hard http://xkcd.com/c138.html04:52
Tonio_especially when this one is designed for usability04:52
SeveasHobbsee, Go fishing!04:52
jdong_Seveas: does ubotu understand dapper-backports yet? ;)04:53
Riddellallee, fabo: any idea why digikam depends on libgphoto2-2-dev ?04:53
Tonio_Seveas: ecellent :)04:53
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imbrandonhahahahahahah @ Seveas c13804:53
Seveasjdong_, no04:53
HobbseeSeveas: get coding :)04:53
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SeveasHobbsee, I am coding04:53
SeveasI just made usplash eat 256-color images04:53
HobbseeSeveas: keep coding then :)04:53
Hobbseeooh, nice04:53
Seveasnow for nice effects04:53
HobbseeSeveas: do we get full 16 bit colour, or whatever it is?04:54
Hobbseemy colour foo isnt working tonight04:54
SeveasHobbsee, 256 for now04:54
imbrandonSeveas: omg i about fell out of my seat at that one ( the pointers one ) only c++ guys will like it though04:54
Tonio_Seveas: ah !!! that's a good news !04:54
kwwii_even 256 is a big step up in the art side04:54
imbrandonyea its currently 1404:54
Seveasanyway, I need a mac to test04:55
Hobbseeimbrandon: 14????04:55
imbrandonouch still not good04:55
Seveasbecause mac doesn't use svgalib04:55
kwwii_hehe, I have several macs04:55
Hobbseeimbrandon: are you insane?  14 is not a power of 2, therefore wrong.04:55
imbrandoni have an ibook04:55
SeveasHobbsee, actually 2 colors used to be reserved04:55
imbrandonHobbsee: 16 - alpha bits and stuff04:55
HobbseeSeveas: ahh.04:55
Seveasmy first usplash patch was to remove that04:55
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Seveasand improve theming04:55
Riddelluh oh, Hobbsees going to kick someone04:56
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HobbseeRiddell: yeah, eventually04:56
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imbrandonSeveas: btw all/most your nx stuff is affected by the dash/bash thing i noticed04:56
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imbrandonuht oh04:56
imbrandonSeveas: btw all/most your nx stuff is affected by the dash/bash thing i noticed04:56
HobbseeRiddell: i was going to kick myself, actually04:56
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Seveasimbrandon, oh feck04:57
Riddellchildren, please04:57
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Riddellnuff of that04:57
imbrandonpayback from this moring04:57
HobbseeRiddell: what's this?  act my age, not my clothes size?  :P04:57
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imbrandonbut yea Seveas the init scripts i noticed to start the nx server04:57
imbrandondont work with dash04:57
Seveasimbrandon, I'll #!/bin/bash them04:58
imbrandonSeveas: yea , i have to poke frostwire and limewire too to use #!bin/bash04:58
imbrandontooo much stuff uses #!/bin/sh i dont think they thought about it enough04:58
imbrandonbefoire the switch04:58
Seveasit's edgy04:59
Seveasthis is the place to break things04:59
imbrandonyea i read the spec , but it affects alot of stuff they dident have a use case for04:59
imbrandonanyhow thought i would let ya know ;)05:00
Tonio_Seveas: well, klipper is broken, and sata device's management is broken ;) that's edgy too ? ^_^05:00
imbrandoni noticed that yesterday05:00
imbrandonklipper is broke ?05:00
HobbseeTonio_: of course, be greatful you have a working desktokp at all :P05:00
Tonio_imbrandon: yup05:00
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imbrandonhrmm  not here , where is it broke ?05:00
Tonio_imbrandon: it works as long as you don't have a config file in your profile05:00
imbrandonguess there isnt one by default05:01
Tonio_imbrandon: change it's settings, then killall and launch it again : segfault05:01
Tonio_it crashes as long as there is a klipperrc file in ~05:01
imbrandonseems like a trivial fix , dunno though05:01
Tonio_imbrandon: if you find ~ | grep klipperrc05:01
Tonio_do you get an output ?05:01
imbrandonnope ,. i use the default settings05:02
Tonio_imbrandon: well the problem the same version works on ubuntu dapper, and no report is done on kde bts05:02
Tonio_so I assume an edgy/only issue05:02
Tonio_not that easy to fix though05:02
Tonio_imbrandon: well if you feel capable to fix this, please do :) I don't !05:03
imbrandonnor do i , but it does seem semi trivial05:04
imbrandonfwiw heh05:04
Tonio_launchpad is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow05:06
Tonio_I can smoke a complete cigarette between each click......05:07
imbrandonwow you smoke fast hehehehe just teasin05:07
gnomefreakTonio_: yeah im seeing that right now it was ok a bit ago05:08
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trappistyeah it is05:11
jdong_wow, for once launchpad is slower than ubuntuforums :)05:11
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gnomefreakits picking up speed now atleast for me05:12
RiddellTonio_: that katapult UVF exception request will need something to describe what has changed05:17
kwwii_time for shopping, bbl05:18
Tonio_Riddell: yes I know but there is no changelog provided and svn changelog doesn't give more informations...05:18
Tonio_Riddell: at least this version works, but that's it05:19
Tonio_maybe mez could give us informations maybe ?05:19
RiddellTonio_: what are the critical bugs it fixes?05:19
Tonio_Riddell: bug 56918 and bug 5817805:20
UbugtuMalone bug 56918 in katapult "doesn't produce anything on edgy" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5691805:20
UbugtuMalone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5817805:20
Tonio_I added the info in debian/changelog so mdz can see it05:20
Tonio_Riddell: should I add a comment with the bug ids ?05:24
gnomefreakis 3.5.4 in dapper or edgy "stable"05:24
=== rouzic_ausente ha vuelto
imbrandongnomefreak: yes05:24
Tonio_gnomefreak: can be considered stable yes, although there are still a few bugs05:24
gnomefreakit has been ported to dapper right?05:25
imbrandonyes lubuntu.org05:25
gnomefreakbuug 5328705:25
gnomefreakbug 5328705:25
UbugtuMalone bug 53287 in kdebase "Konqueror crash opening video" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5328705:25
gnomefreakis why i ask05:25
imbrandonwhat about it ? heh05:25
gnomefreakhes using 3.5.3 and i wanted to know if it was fixed in 3.5.4. once he updated to 3.5.405:26
gnomefreaki didnt want to ask him to update to unstable release05:26
imbrandonwell updating is good but he says 05:26
imbrandonits when an external player is launched, most likely its teh external player segfaulting05:27
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imbrandonor at very leaste the plugin he is using05:27
imbrandonrealy needs more info05:27
imbrandonlike what plugin, what video url , what type of stream05:27
imbrandongnomefreak: ^^05:28
gnomefreakgot it05:28
Tonio_imbrandon: that ressembles to the kaffeine classical crash of konq :)05:29
Tonio_imbrandon: the point is lts should use kmplayer in the first place, not kaffeine05:29
imbrandonTonio_: yea thats what i thought but really cant be sure05:29
Tonio_imbrandon: nope, we miss a lot of informations05:29
imbrandonunlesss we ask him ;)05:29
Tonio_imbrandon: please do :)05:29
imbrandonheh yea i think gnomefreak is , arent you ?05:30
Tonio_I spent to much time on kaffeine + konq in the past05:30
imbrandonlol ;)05:30
gnomefreaki am :)05:30
imbrandonkk good deal 05:30
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RiddellTonio_: yes please05:31
Tonio_Riddell: done05:34
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imbrandonheya bddebian05:40
bddebianHeya imbrandon05:40
Tonio_Riddell: isn't kds concerned by knot2 freeze ?05:41
RiddellTonio_: yes05:42
Tonio_Riddell: I was just wondering because of your today's upload :)05:43
RiddellTonio_: well the fix is necessary for knot 2, unless you think we should have a broken kdm theme05:43
DaSkreechhi bddebian05:43
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, nope it was just for my curiousity :)05:44
bddebianHeya DaSkreech, Riddell05:44
bddebian& Tonio_ :-)05:44
Tonio_yop bddebian05:44
Tonio__Sime: I just finished the k-s-s new svn snapshot (08/26), I finally found the issue05:46
Tonio__Sime: will upload after knot205:46
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Tonio__Sime: ping when your arround06:19
_SimeTonio_: hi06:19
_SimeTonio_: what was the problem?06:19
Tonio__Sime: an error in makefile.am file :)06:19
Tonio_let me show you06:20
Tonio__Sime: the file is named kde-settings-accessibility_ss.directory but makefile line is : 06:20
Tonio_xdg_directory_DATA = \06:20
Tonio_kde-settings-accessibility.directory \06:20
Tonio__Sime: can you rename the .directory on the svn ? I will resync to have something clean06:21
_Simeand that broke the whole thing?06:21
Tonio_yup :)06:21
Tonio_unsermake pawa :)06:21
_Simekde-settings-accessibility.directory is (was?) an already existing file from KDE, which I didn't want to overwrite.06:22
_Simeso I used _ss06:22
Tonio_it isn't there anymore afais06:22
Tonio_I just resync and I don't see it.... unless I'm crazy06:22
Tonio__Sime: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/menu/06:23
Tonio_it's not there, so maybe simply renaming your file will suffice06:23
sebasRiddell: I'm pretty much done with the polishing work on powermanager, can you give it a try?06:24
sebasAnd the new icons are nice06:24
_Sime   /kdebase-3.5.4_orig/applnk/kde-settings-accessibility.directory06:24
Tonio_ah, this one.....06:24
Tonio_okay so better fix makefile.am then06:25
Tonio_I mean fixing menu/Makefile.Am06:25
Tonio__Sime: is that okay for you ?06:26
Tonio__Sime: cool thanks06:27
Tonio_let's rebuilg06:27
_Simeso how do you make the tallbar from svn anyway?06:28
Tonio__Sime: make -f admin/makefile.common06:31
Tonio_just that I didn't have unsermake install, so it used automake as replacement, which cause the debian package failing to build...06:31
Tonio_now I'm okay06:31
_Simeok, but systemsettings doesn't (didn't??) have a Makefile.common I thought.06:33
_Simesebas: Hi, why do you have a recompile-ui script?06:33
Tonio__Sime: I'm replacing systemsettings/ in the old source package in fact :)06:33
_SimeTonio_: Ok ;-)06:33
Tonio__Sime: I can also simply grab kdebase admin folder, that works too06:33
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_SimeTonio_: did you know when knot2 is done?06:34
tomaand the translations?06:34
Tonio__Sime: I did this for today's katapult work for example, which used an admin folder uncompatible with our autoconf version06:34
Tonio__Sime: dunno, probably 2 or 3 days06:34
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Tonio_toma: nothing changed on that point so no need to fix06:34
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Tonio_toma: I agree with you that should be done if there where i18n modifications06:35
toma_Sime: i'm not very impressed by cmake06:35
_Simetoma: I haven't tried it. It couldn't be worse.06:35
Tonio_toma: and how about the true nightmare for packagers : scons :)06:35
toma_Sime: it is not worse, but i'm not thrilled either. but it works and is a bit better to understand then automake06:36
_SimeIt must be possible for mankind to make a build tool that doesn't suck.06:38
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Tonio__Sime: well scons seems very appreciated by the people using it, although I never did myself (I'm not a coder)06:39
Tonio__Sime: but it is a pain to package with :)06:39
_SimeTonio_: why is that?06:40
Tonio__Sime: rules are a pain to write, since cdbs doesn't support scons actually06:40
Tonio_lots of files to clean etc......06:40
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=== _Sime sees that system:/ is actually highly configurable with *.desktop files.
sebas_Sime: Laziness, basically06:48
sebasDidn't think of importing it on the fly though06:48
_Simesebas: but they get recompiled automatically06:48
sebasNot when running from the commandline06:48
_Simesebas: tja, it you do your imports right.06:48
_Simesebas: BTW, I've got NX on the go now.06:49
sebasAh, improvement?06:49
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Tonio__Sime: we should re-ad gtk-styles-and-fonts in apprearance in k-s-s06:50
Tonio_because you have to resync the font size everytimt you change it, so if the module isn't accessible, there is an issue06:51
Tonio__Sime: don't you agree ?06:51
_SimeTonio_: can't the font size be made automatic?06:53
Tonio__Sime: hum, since the values are set in gtkrc, I don't know howto, unless we patch the kde font configuration dialog06:53
Tonio__Sime: another idea maybe ?06:53
Tonio_it can be done via the startkde script06:54
Tonio_but that will apply only while reloading kde06:54
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Tonio__Sime: if there is no other solution found, I can always do that06:55
Tonio_but that will affect people using bith gnome and kde too, since it'll change their settings06:55
nixternalknot 2 release tomorrow..i would say the "release notes" are at about 90% complete. i have new screenshots going up...if you want anything added let me know, or add it to the page and i will work it in07:00
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omeowWhat happened to the pretty background kwwii_? =(07:01
sebasnixternal: If the powermanager can go in, that'd be great.07:01
sebasI'd like to see more testing though07:01
omeowIt's now black.07:01
nixternalsebas: got it here, screenshots and all, just need to do a little write up about it and it will be good...do you have a blog link or anything that might have some extra information?07:02
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sebasnixternal: I can blog about it, I'd like to link an updated package then.07:02
nixternalspeaking of power manager, it loads 3 icons in my taskbar07:02
omeowDoes "Mounting root filesystem..." take 35 seconds for anyone else?07:02
nixternalheh, not here it doesn't07:02
nixternalthats alright sebas, i just thought someone had already blogged about it, or had extra info somewhere else...it may have been Riddell possibly07:03
omeowThe whole boot process takes forever. And it loads lots of stuff that I don't even have or want to use. Like for example, Raid and Bluetooth, Raid is disabled in my BIOS. Why does linux insist on loading stuff for that eventhough it's switched off?07:03
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sebasnixternal: When did you make the screenshots?07:04
nixternaljust now07:04
imbrandonomeow: try ##linux07:04
sebasWith a recent svn? 07:04
sebasI've done quite some UI work on it today07:04
nixternalno, with the updates from repos07:04
nixternali need the screenshots to resemble what will be released tomorrow..thats why07:05
omeowimbrandon, why? Am I in the wrong channel?07:05
sebasThat's yesteryday's version, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to old :P07:05
nixternalhurry up and get um into main then ;)07:05
omeowI thought this was a channel to give feedback on kubuntu edgy.07:05
imbrandonomeow: if you asking those type of questions yes you are 07:05
imbrandonomeow: no its not07:05
imbrandonomeow: #ubuntu+1 is07:05
omeowWhat's this channel for then?07:06
imbrandonomeow: this is a chan so the develpers to collaborate while coding07:06
sebasnixternal: Dunno if updated packages can make it in, the one of yesterday is quite buggy 07:06
nixternali have noticed ;)07:06
alleekwwii_: fwiw, when I first saw the new background image. I thought, huh, the colors on this new TFT looks as yellowish as on those a years old TFT. So I would prefer white instead of yellow in the center.  It's maybe only me that has/d such a first time experience07:06
nixternalimbrandon: hahaa look at allee's response ^^  sound familiar?07:06
nixternalallee: i thought my monitor was going bad when i first booted up with the new one ;)07:07
imbrandonnixternal: yea i've been trying to convice kwwii_ of that all week07:07
imbrandonallee your not alone07:07
nixternalit looks decent though on my lcd, just the crt07:07
alleenixternal: oh, cool.  I was a bit shocked when I saw BG image without any window hiding part of it07:07
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kwwii_we will be changing to the blue-purple version soon, don't worry07:10
alleekwwii_: :)07:13
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Riddellhmm, new ktorrent07:30
imbrandonRiddell: yup already on it07:30
imbrandon2.0.2 right ?07:30
jdong_yeah, I bugged imbrandon about that yesterday :)07:30
imbrandoni was just getting ready to email mdz/kamoin bout it07:31
Riddellimbrandon: yes07:31
Tonio_that could be very usefull07:33
Tonio_very usefull07:33
Tonio_even if the guy is......... ygly07:33
imbrandonyea it could probably be done better wait context menu's / kio-slave in konq as that stuff is all avaible already07:34
imbrandoncommand line07:34
Tonio_imbrandon: agree07:35
Tonio_imbrandon: what about http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3409607:37
Tonio_macosX is using this for long now and this functionnality is very appreciated07:37
Tonio_Riddell: I can including this in kds quite easilly07:37
imbrandonyea i've always like that myself07:38
Tonio_Riddell: interested in seeing this in kds ?07:41
Tonio_I would vote for inclusion :)07:41
RiddellTonio_: dunno, what does it do?07:41
Tonio_Riddell: enables to change the color of a folder07:41
Tonio_Riddell: that's very nice feature for visibility, mac users do that all the time for example07:42
Tonio_when you have a folder you want to identify easilly in a big list of folders07:42
Riddellhmm, yet another option in the right click menu07:43
Tonio_Riddell: folders don't have that much right click options compared to audio or video files for example :)07:44
Tonio_Riddell: or images too07:45
Riddellsebas: powermanager still has instant apply for the scroll stuff, which could well be fine but isnt what el recommended07:45
Tonio_Riddell: and it is a submenu, it doesn't always appear while right-clicking unless you go to "actions"07:46
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Tonio_imbrandon: hum, the servicemenu it linked to an icon set07:49
Tonio_imbrandon: therefore we cannot ship it by default.......07:50
imbrandonTonio_: true07:50
imbrandonnixternal: yea i was there if you notice my the nicklist, also i sent that to bash.org too ;)07:51
nixternalhaha kool07:51
nixternalthat was classic right there07:51
ryanakcadoes kubuntu have a button? like http://kde.org/stuff/buttons.php07:54
Riddellryanakca: see bottom of kubuntu.org07:54
ryanakcaoh, nice, thanks 07:56
sebasRiddell: It will revert as soon as you close the dialogue07:56
imbrandonholy sh*t , linspire made CNR free today07:56
sebasIf it doesn't, it's a bug.07:56
imbrandonclick n run 07:57
sebasI've still to find a solution for the non-active slider07:57
ryanakcaRiddell: any copyright restrictions as to using it? or can I just stick in a link to kubuntu.org?07:57
sebasRiddell: Do you have an updated package for me, so I can link it from my blog to get some more testing?07:58
Riddellryanakca: the logo is creative commons07:58
Riddellsebas: not at this time07:58
jdong_imbrandon: I'm in disbelief about CNR, too07:59
sebasCould (or someone else) you roll me one? :)07:59
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sebasAnd: Will we get an updated package in the next snapshot livecd, or is it too late?07:59
nixternalRiddell: has the knot 2 iso been made yet?  are there going to be any changes between right now and the iso release?  am i safe to use screenshots i made today for the notes?07:59
Riddellnixternal: it has not been made yet, we are frozen so no changes should be made08:00
Riddellsebas: it is too late08:00
jdong_has anyone tried wgetting an ISO and directly piping it to cdrecord before?08:00
jdong_I feel kind of lazy today08:01
nixternalcool..i will have something a little later then for us...when it is done who should I poke to make sure the info gets on the main announcement?08:01
sebasRiddell: Ok.08:01
Riddellsebas: are you especially wanting to blog today or can I wait until after the Knot CD?08:02
sebasRiddell:  Let me know if you found the time to roll a package then, ok?08:02
sebasI wrote the blogentry, but do as you find time.08:02
sebasDunno how much work it actually is, so I'm not pushing08:02
rouzicIn my macbook to expel a cd I need to press a button, the button in Dapper does not work, in the Knot2 it will work?08:06
imbrandonrouzic: hold function ( fn ) and the eject key08:07
imbrandonits not like in osx08:07
rouzicimbrandon: in dapper?08:08
imbrandonyes dapper or edgy 08:08
imbrandoneither one08:08
rouzichumm, no :(08:09
jdong_BURN-Free was used 2750 times08:09
imbrandonrouzic: ask nalioth in ##apple , he should be able to help you get it working08:10
ryanakcaRiddell: I've been messing around with Kumula... I think I'll wait a while... till the next version comes out... let it develop a bit more08:10
rouzicThanks imbrandon08:10
Riddellryanakca: thanks for looking at it, put a note on that Candidates/Kubuntu page08:13
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rouzicimbrandon: no :(08:27
derekSany of you guys expierence this bug (in dapper)? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/5807108:29
UbugtuMalone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  08:29
seaLneRiddell: ping08:37
Riddellhi seaLne 08:38
seaLneRiddell: when would be suitable for you to get the sun dropped off?08:38
kwwii_if Riddell gets the sun, I want the moon :P08:40
jjessewho gets uranus08:47
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Riddellsebas: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060830-0ubuntu1_i386.deb08:51
imbrandoni got dibs on neptune , pretty rings08:53
=== imbrandon wonders how to make cnr work with a ubuntu software catalog
Riddelljdong_: Ive had a request for a qt4-x11 backport08:54
jdong_I've been getting requests for pyqt4 :-/08:55
imbrandonwow orga slamed RMS in his blogpost ;)08:55
jdong_pyqt4 is not possible08:55
Riddellthat would be cool too08:55
derekSimbrandon: why would you want cnr to work with ubuntu? regardless if it is free... it is just a fancy apt if i remember correctly08:55
Riddelljdong_: why not?08:55
jdong_needs a new python-sip thingie08:55
jdong_not sure if that's safe to pull in08:55
jdong_but there was a winding stack of dependencies08:55
imbrandonderekS: easy for end user, bottom line08:55
Riddelljdong_: hmm08:56
imbrandon /whois derekS 08:56
rouzicimbrandon: amarok 1.4.2 is not compatible whit Katapult08:56
LureRiddell: is this new powermanager?08:56
RiddellLure: yes08:56
imbrandonrouzic: works just fine here08:56
Luredapper and edgy?08:56
derekSimbrandon: hehe i am no one special :)08:56
rouzicError Loading Media08:56
rouzicNo suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported.08:56
rouzic./home/rouzic/musica/Anthems of Rebellion/04 - Dead Eyes See No Future.ogg08:56
trappistwho should a kubuntu bug be assigned to if there's a patch attached08:56
derekSimbrandon: easier then adept?08:56
imbrandonhahah yes, dont get me started on my feelings for adept08:57
derekSimbrandon: or synaptic?08:57
derekSimbrandon: haha, i don't really use the gui ones08:57
imbrandonsynaptic == gtk08:57
imbrandonderekS: then your not the target audiance08:57
imbrandonmakes that simple08:57
derekSimbrandon: haha right08:57
imbrandonksynaptic hasnet been updated in a long time and isnt in ubuntu08:58
derekSwasn't there also plans to integrate ubuntu + cnr?08:58
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derekSi thought adept was kubuntu's prize contribution!08:58
jdong_but seriously, mepis is on to something when they ship with synaptic :)08:58
imbrandonjdong i have found that wise in here08:58
derekSnow i don't feel bad about not using08:58
LureRiddell: powermanager looks ok to me08:58
imbrandonanyhow this isnt the place to dicussess this derekS ;)08:59
derekShaha :)08:59
imbrandonso we should drop it in here ( you can poke me elsewheere though )08:59
derekSimbrandon: no worries, i use apt, so it isn't a huge concern08:59
derekSmy bug i reported is though :)08:59
imbrandonrouzic: thats becouse you probably dont have a mime type setup for ogg, has nothing to do with katapult or amarok09:00
seaLnederekS: sorry i've been extremly busy at work the last few days and not had a chance really to do any kubuntu stuuf09:00
imbrandonderekS: whats the bug number ?09:01
derekSseaLne: no worries, i found out its a *common* kde bug, and there are fixes for bsd... couldn't find any solid info for linux09:01
imbrandonbug 5807109:02
=== imbrandon kicks Ubugtu
crimsunit's not ubugtu, it's LP09:02
imbrandonyea it timed out09:02
imbrandon[14:02]  [Notice]  -Ubugtu- Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out09:02
derekS14:29:17 < Ubugtu> Malone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 09:03
imbrandonoh wow , ok nvm i aint touching that one hehe09:03
derekSimbrandon: haha why not?09:03
imbrandonxdmcp is the devil to me, we've gone rounds before09:04
derekSit seems that it depends if kde was compiled wiht ipv4 or ipv6 support... 09:04
derekSi am trying to set it up09:04
jdong_here we go again... before we know it, xdmcp will be ripped out of kdm just like the open terminal button :)09:04
=== jdong_ ducks
derekSthats not good!09:04
imbrandonopen terminal ? you mean open console? its still there09:05
jdong_imbrandon: you guys neutered it by default :P09:05
derekSi want to get rid of vnc09:05
jdong_because people like me are too stupid to use the terminal :P09:05
jdong_I like my KDE with cluttered menus09:06
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=== rouzic se ha ido
derekSthe issue is who has a prettier terminal client09:06
imbrandonderekS: sweet, thats cool but not the target audiance09:06
derekSimbrandon: yeah i know.... i am pretty rare, most people find iming via bitlbee in irssi a pain09:07
derekSand using mutt as a mua instead of thunderbird/evolution/kmail kinda difficult09:07
imbrandoni find irssi a pain09:07
imbrandonderekS: yup welcome to post 1997 ;)09:07
derekSimbrandon: haha why?09:08
derekSi find i can type faster than mouse (if thats a verb)09:08
derekSand i like how i can access my stuff *ANYWHERE*09:08
imbrandoni can access my stuff anywhere too ;) imap rocks 09:08
derekSbut... this is extremely off topic :)09:08
=== rouzic_ausente ha vuelto, alegrate
imbrandonwebmail rocks09:08
sebasRiddell: Thanks!09:08
imbrandonrouzic_ausente: i'm sorry but not many if anyone understands what you are saying09:09
rouzicI am Spanish, I need a translator09:10
imbrandonrouzic: #ubuntu-es09:10
=== jdong_ gets imap from MIT's email service... and imap does rock
=== jdong_ just wishes his gmail'd do imap
rouzicIf, but also I am in this channel for Edgy's development09:10
imbrandonedgy developemtn help is #ubuntu+109:11
rouzicer, Thanks09:11
derekSjdong_: i would switch my mail accounts to google hosted if they did imap09:11
imbrandonall mail forwards to google --> fetchmail --> procmail ---> imap ---> my client09:12
imbrandonworks great09:12
jdong_imbrandon: my gmail is 450MB; fetchmail takes a bit more time/effort than I can afford :(09:12
jdong_and that's mostly text e-mails, too09:13
imbrandonjdong what does size have to do with it ?09:13
jdong_it hurts to set it up?09:13
derekSfetchmail pulls from my imap servers (i don't run them) -> procmail (filtered for spam) -> maildir... i access it either through mutt .... if i am without ssh access... i have an imap server for roundcube09:13
jdong_I've ran into snags fetching 6197 e-mails before :(09:14
derekSi have everything forwarded to gmail... i ahve about a gig of mails... took a few days... but i got it all downloaded (i backup via gmail)09:14
imbrandonjdong i get over 3k a day so 6k at once is not a biggie imho ;)09:14
jdong_my god09:14
derekSyou get 3k emails a day???09:15
derekShow do you read them?09:15
seaLnegetting is easy its the reading09:15
jdong_I thought 50 was bad09:15
imbrandonsomewhere close to that, derekS with my eyes ;)09:15
derekSare they all real emails?09:15
derekSor lots of junk/unimportant09:15
imbrandonthats after the junk filters and yes i read 85% of them or more09:15
jdong_depends on how you define unimportant :)09:15
sebasRiddell: I think it doesn't install the icons09:16
sebasThey would need to go into /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics 09:16
imbrandonderekS: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss13.png  there is my imap folders ;)09:16
derekSimbrandon: how can you do that and work/go to school/whatever you do09:17
imbrandoni work on kubuntu and 98% of the mail is *ubuntu related09:17
derekSohhh,  a lot of mailing lists09:17
derekSimbrandon: you paid by canonical?09:17
derekSif i got that much email, i prob wouldn't use mutt regularly either :)09:18
jdong_come to think about it, I probably read the same volume of text moderating ubuntuforums on a daily basis :-/09:18
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imbrandoni made my money other ways in the past , anyhow yes we are way offtopic09:18
jdong_isn't there some important edgy cd or something coming out tomorrow? ;)09:18
imbrandonknot 209:18
jdong_yeah... that's it :)09:19
derekSimbrandon: :)09:19
jdong_will this one actually install? :)09:19
=== jdong_ has downloaded 3 alternate/livecd's these past 3 days
jdong_and they all didn't work09:19
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imbrandonthey all install for me but i never have alot of the problems you or Tonio_ run into ;)09:19
jdong_daily edgy cd's all don't work for me09:20
seaLneah, thats annoying i got a new desktop at work and was hoping to install it tommorow09:20
Riddelljdong_: which ones?09:21
Riddelltodays alternate works fine for me09:21
jdong_Riddell: I've tried mostly ubuntu cd's, both livecd and alternate09:21
jdong_haven't tried today's09:21
jdong_but yesterday's alternate bombs out because there's no lvm2 package09:21
jdong_I haven't tried kubuntu CD's but I didn't expect them to be different at that base level09:22
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ryanakcaanybody working on QComicBook  ? or can I package it09:26
Riddellryanakca: nobody that I know of09:27
_Simeimbrandon: I've added another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia09:29
imbrandonkk the system menu one ?09:29
_SimeRiddell: I've added yet another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia ;-)09:29
_Simeimbrandon: system:/ and the System menu kicker applet.09:30
imbrandoncool, i'll finish getting kdebase all ready then for after the release09:30
imbrandonRiddell: i'll have a diff ready for you tonight/inthe morning so you can look it over before the freeze if up09:30
imbrandonthis thing is actualy comming togather nicely09:31
imbrandonRiddell: mdz isnt on holiday is he ?09:32
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_SimeI'm  busy now trying to hunt down where the defaults for the KDE file dialog come from. (and the speedbar on the left)09:32
=== _Sime reakons that KDE apps open faster in edgy. dunno why.
Riddellimbrandon: he is09:33
jdong__Sime: could it be the newer compiler?09:33
imbrandonahh ok so kamoin for the uvf instead ?09:33
Riddellimbrandon: both of them09:33
LureRiddell: did you have any time to look into ksmserver patch for suspend/hibernate?09:35
RiddellLure: its sitting waiting to be uploaded once freeze is over09:36
LureRiddell: ok, so in general it is fine with you (using hal/dbus and not dcop of powermanager)?09:37
imbrandongrr i can never find kamoins email when i need it, i should have it in my addy book09:37
RiddellLure: I prefer dbus since its more easily adaptable by anyone running hal09:37
Riddellimbrandon: cjwatson@09:37
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LureRiddell: me to - the patch can be used also if klaptop/kpowersave is deployed and should work 09:38
sebasRiddell: Hm, the pics are installed in guidance/pics/powermanager, they need to go into guidance/pics09:42
ryanakcahmmm... whats the difference between Depends and Build-Depends again?09:42
sebasThey won't load this way.09:42
Riddellsebas: ok (but I cant fix that today)09:42
Riddellryanakca: build-dep for when its compiling, depends for when its installed09:42
ryanakcaBuild-Depends are required to build stuff (like foobar-dev) and, Depends are things that the program runs off of (foobar)?09:43
ryanakcaRiddell: kk, and how can you tell which is which?09:43
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ryanakcaeducated guess?09:43
fdovingryanakca: apt-cache showsrc package09:44
jdong_while we are asking build-depends questions, why do some build dependencies need to be so specifically versioned09:44
ryanakcafdoving: first time package... not in the repos... or packaged yet... I'm writing debian/control09:44
fdovingryanakca: source packages got build-depends, binary packages got depends.09:44
jdong_i.e. all the uploads today to build against dbus 0.9009:44
Riddellryanakca: depends usually magically get filled in with ${shlibs}, build-deps will be libqt3-mt-dev for a qt programme and anything else it needs09:44
sebasRiddell: Ok, let me know when you've got an updated package.09:44
jdong_is buildd not smart enough to pick the latest?09:44
ryanakcaRiddell: and would "rar" or "unace" be depends then?09:45
ryanakcabecause they aren't needed to "build", just to run the program?09:45
fdovingryanakca: then the README or INSTALL file could be helpful.09:45
Lureryanakca: build-depends typically provide headers (*.h) for compilation (-dev packages)09:45
Lureryanakca: or tools needed to build (automake...)09:45
alleejdong: usually a versioned (build-)dep has a special reason: pkgs depends on new-feature or bug-fixed available in pkg version x.y09:51
alleejdong_: ^^^09:52
alleejdong_: versioned (build-)depends are also a special service to backporters.  If debuild refuses to build due to not satisfied depends one has to think a bit more instead of delivering (not obviously) broken backport pkgs to users ;)09:54
jdong_allee: a lot of times there really isn't a good reason, other than "rebuild against newer libfoo"09:55
jdong_in which case, why wouldn't a rebuild rebuild it against libfoo anyway?09:55
jdong_does buildd not always pick the latest available libfoo?09:55
jdong_the strictly versioned build-deps account for I'd say 75% of rejected backports that would otherwise work09:56
seaLnebecause its already built09:56
jdong_so there's no way to rebuild without making a source change?09:56
alleejdong_: versioned build-deps often have a limited lifetime and are sometimes distro specific.  Easy to forget -> pester upstream09:57
alleejdong_: at least in all cases I've seen (whatever that's worth) the version was not introduced just for fun.09:57
jdong_k, if that's the case, I'll pester upstream a lot more09:58
=== allee expects no e-mail flood from jdong_ in pkg-kde-extras ml ;)
=== jdong_ opens up big list of rejected backports
=== jdong_ finds allee's launchpad account
jdong_won't torture you today10:04
=== allee is save for two hours ;)
kwwii_ok, this is my last attempt for today10:05
kwwii_Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/powerManagerIcons.tar.gz10:05
kwwii_I have officialy had enough of tiny little pictures for today10:05
kwwii_I feel like I spent the day trying to crawl into my monitor10:06
jdong_you could decrease your resolution or use a magnifier thingie10:06
kwwii_decreasing resolution doesn't work so well on a laptop10:07
Lurekwwii_: lol - I can understand it10:07
kwwii_and using a magnifier thingy is what I do anyway10:07
alleeand especially with pixel based icons ;)10:07
kwwii_to judge them, you have to see them at that size10:07
kwwii_and look reall close10:08
kwwii_I toned down the saturation just for Hobsee10:09
Lurekwwii_: and me ;-)10:09
kwwii_Lure: yeah, but you were just saying that to please Hobsee :p10:09
imbrandonwow mjg59 resigned from debian, after seeing that today and allee's link yesterday its very suprising to me , i thought debian/ubuntu relationship is/was better than that 10:27
imbrandonguess politics do suck10:28
alleeimbrandon: URL?10:28
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imbrandonallee http://mjg59.livejournal.com/66647.html10:28
alleeimbrandon: thx10:28
Lureimbrandon: allee's link?10:29
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imbrandoni dont have it anymore, allee will have to tell you or look in the logs10:29
imbrandonit realy is very suprising though, atleaste to me, maybe not for someone thats been arround longer in the debian world10:30
imbrandoni see no reason for fighting , bickering , etc, hell its all for the same cause10:30
alleeimbrandon: about the link.  I just was amused to see that there booth stuff gets trained how to argue pro debian when confronted with why not debian10:30
alleeLure: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  Search for ubuntu10:31
imbrandonallee yea , i was just suprised it was soo anti ubuntu not anti "other" linux10:31
Lureallee: interesting...10:31
nixternali have a new super battery10:32
imbrandoninstead of saying how great debian is they said how bad ubuntu is, thats what i found amusing10:32
alleeimbrandon: well, not so 'anti' IMHO, they don't say ubuntu is worse in this respect, they say debian is better in this and this respect ;)10:32
Lureimbrandon: I just think they get lot's of ubuntu questions and they need to respond10:32
imbrandonprobably true10:33
alleeonly incorrectness is this reinstall every 6 month.  Should be every 18 month or 3 year for LTS10:33
imbrandoni found a few incorecctnesses10:33
alleeimbrandon: example?10:34
imbrandonmore secure10:34
imbrandonone ... me looks for others10:34
imbrandonMore and better support10:34
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imbrandonlimited support10:35
alleeimbrandon: well, everyone claim this for themself ;)  but I agree to call this wrong.   I mean wrong facts10:35
imbrandoncontinuity (upgrade without reboot, etc.)10:36
imbrandonsee its all the same base10:36
alleeimbrandon: also note: all 'against' ubuntu.  Not Kubuntu :)10:36
imbrandonalot of those claims they cant make without saying ubuntu does it also10:36
imbrandonallee heh yea10:36
imbrandonallee but kubuntu is under the ubuntu unbrella in most peoples eyes10:36
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kwwii_so, has anyone tested the new icons for powermanager? (wish I could)10:37
alleeimbrandon, Lure: but what is really worth reading is and following it IMHO is: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsHowto10:37
imbrandonyea they look a bit flat imo but otherwise good10:37
kwwii_perhaps for oxygen I will make the battery at a slight angle :-)10:38
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alleeimbrandon: I alwasy support good ideas!10:39
imbrandonyup yup heheh10:40
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Lurekwwii_: I am using new icons - much more pleasing for my eyes ;-)10:41
jdong_imbrandon: ooh, what for this time?10:42
imbrandonjdong konversation 1.010:42
Lurekwwii_: yes, angle would be great ;-)10:42
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imbrandonkwwii_:  http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/panda_kiss.jpg10:43
imbrandonfound that last night and had to laugh10:44
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alleeimbrandon: lol10:47
kwwii_so andreas lloyd is coming to my house on friday to do the anthropology thing10:48
kwwii_my wife thinks I am crazy10:48
_Simeimbrandon: Yes, I've added another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia10:50
imbrandonkwwii_: so he's gonna watch you on the computer 10:50
_Simeimbrandon: this time for the side bar in kde's file dialog.10:50
imbrandon_Sime: wow ok ;)10:50
kwwii_imbrandon: more like he will talk to me about how I use the computer while I show him examples 10:51
imbrandonkwwii_: ahh cool10:51
=== kwwii_ makes a note to remove the beer bottles and refresh the bong water before he comes :P
kwwii_JUST KIDDING10:51
LureSime: you rock - when I first so your blog, I though "bad that edgy cannot get this in", but now you see where we are ;-)10:51
imbrandonLure: heh10:52
kwwii_I don't even own a bong10:52
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=== bddebian needs one right now
imbrandonnot used much anymore10:52
imbrandonheya bddebian10:52
bddebianHi imbrandon10:53
imbrandonman i used to LOVE to play with the bong, then while real "hungery feeling" still, grab the stero and goto the beach with my gf ( wife now ) and watch the stars , but alas that brought kids now i cant do that much anymore 10:54
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imbrandonkwwii_: ^^ heheh10:54
_SimeLure: thanks. :)10:54
trappist_Sime: where's your blog?10:54
imbrandontrappist: www.kdevelopers.com10:55
imbrandontrappist: www.kdedevelopers.com10:55
Luretrappist: start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia10:55
imbrandon_Sime: ok got them all, i'll compile again in a minute10:56
trappistoh, you're simon edwards :)10:56
trappistof kde-guidance fame I guess10:57
imbrandonthat would be _Sime ;)10:58
trappistmy first ever python patch (not a python fan) got into kde-guidance10:58
imbrandon_Sime: added some applied/pending to the patches so you would know where i'm at 11:01
imbrandonrefresh the wiki you should see it11:01
kwwii_Riddell: I think instead of posting stuff on IRC, I'll send you an email every two days or so with changes...better to give me time to test it and make sure things are final11:03
kwwii_I can post the ideas to irc for everyone to see first, but you at least partially ignore them11:03
imbrandonhehe i was like awwww 11:03
imbrandonat first11:03
kwwii_no, I won't hide everything, I just won't listen to everyone :-)11:04
imbrandonyou dont have to listen to me but i'll still give my 0.1c ;)11:04
kwwii_"you can't always get what you wa-hant"...sing with me11:04
Riddellkwwii_: I dont  ignore them11:05
Riddellkwwii_: and Im more likely to pay attention to IRC than e-mail11:05
imbrandonthats why your the artist not me kwwii_ hehehe11:05
kwwii_Riddell: I felt kinda bad about the powermanager stuff today, as I posted things twice in one day11:05
Riddellkwwii_: since power manager is in KDE SVN you could modify them yourself11:05
kwwii_which module? kdenetwork or such?11:06
kwwii_atm I only have playground checked out11:06
Riddellkwwii_: trunk/playround/base/kde-guidance/powermanager11:06
Riddellhow fortunate :)11:06
kwwii_cool, I'll put it there11:06
kwwii_I just thought that we wanted to use this first, before suse puts it in opensuse (it is a bug in their system)11:07
kwwii_we could wait at least until the release to put it there, but I will leave that decision up to you11:08
kwwii_they asked me to make these a long time ago, after I left...I kinda waited until now for a reason11:09
RiddellI doubt they will, but they are already in SVN so cant stop them now11:10
imbrandonhrm kwwii_ where is opensuse's svn i wanna check if that kmenu stuff has hit it yet, he said a few days before release11:11
imbrandonand release is 7 days away11:11
kwwii_imbrandon: no idea, check the webpage11:11
imbrandonhehe okies, thought i could be lazy for a minute11:11
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Riddellimbrandon: they use forge.novell if it is publicly developed but I doubt it is, probably only in factory11:12
_Simetrappist: Yes.11:13
imbrandonRiddell: yea he said it was private atm but that it would hit the public svn a few days before the new opensuse on the 7th11:13
_Simeimbrandon: thanks11:13
kwwii_is everyone against rounding all window corners?11:13
imbrandonso its about time to start watching 11:13
imbrandonkwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats me11:14
imbrandonis that even possibly with the default kwin ?11:14
imbrandoni had to make a kwin engine to get royale theme to do it11:14
=== _Sime has rounded windows corners right now.
kwwii_imbrandon: how is that?11:15
imbrandonis what ?11:15
kwwii_rounded at the top but corners at the bottom?11:15
kwwii_[23:14]  <imbrandon> kwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats me11:15
imbrandonyea rounded on the top but flat on the bottom11:15
kwwii_I vote for rounded at the top at least11:15
_Simerounded is good.11:16
kwwii_and somehow I would like to move teh buttons on the window deco down one pixel11:16
kwwii_anyone know how? :-)11:16
imbrandonkwwii_: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png  <- my royale conglomerate (sp? )11:17
kwwii_imbrandon: ok, you convinced me, let's use that...I send mark an email with your idea first though11:19
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Riddellwhat is royale?11:20
Lureimbrandon: this looks nice (rounded only on top)11:20
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imbrandonRiddell: the name of that xp theme i just shows a ss of11:21
imbrandonbut it is true xp/gnome/osx all use rounded tops11:22
kwwii_mark wants mac more than windows11:22
imbrandonit does look nice11:22
imbrandonwell kde has always been more windows and gnome more mac ish11:22
imbrandonin my eyes11:22
imbrandonbut i do have another theme that looks exactly like tiger on my lappy ;)11:22
gnomefreaktrue but mac is easier on the eyes 11:23
Lureimbrandon: just because of blue?11:23
imbrandonLure: no becouse of the pannel layouts and behavures11:23
imbrandonlike for instance11:23
=== gnomefreak likes the silver rounded look personally
imbrandonwindows and kde configs, you hit <apply>11:23
Luretrue - I like panel on top11:23
imbrandongnaome , osx its instant11:23
kwwii_we don't really want t[23:14]  <imbrandon> kwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats meo copy anyone else, for everyones' info11:24
imbrandonand lots of little things like that11:24
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kwwii_hehe, oops11:24
kwwii_nasty paste malfunction11:24
imbrandonno we gont wanna copy , but , well you dont , i like windows gui , but anyhow it does mean the majority like it11:24
imbrandonas far as the roundness11:25
gnomefreak<idea> why not add a windows theme and a mac os theme to the default theme list (possible? smart? good idea? eh i dont know but its an idea)11:25
imbrandonLure: i have a webpage tucked somewhere i will have to find the url but there are actualy tons of similarities of windows/kde and gnome/osx 11:25
imbrandongnomefreak: copyright stuff11:26
imbrandonLure: but mostly all small stuff one wouldent notice right off liek the config dialog thing11:26
imbrandoni just talked about11:26
gnomefreakcopyright even if taken from kde-look witha  gpl same on gnomes side11:26
imbrandongnomefreak: you have to watch it , alot of the art on kde-look even if it says gpl is still screenshots or pixle for pixle windows11:27
imbrandonand thus not actualy true gpl11:27
gnomefreakbad idea than11:27
imbrandongnomefreak: thats one reason i dont make my royale public, its not based from the windows images but looks close enough MS would call on my door , and i dont wanna put up weith it11:28
imbrandonso i just give it to friends/family11:28
gnomefreaki understand11:28
imbrandonand leave it at that11:28
imbrandonand apple is even more strict about aqua tbh11:29
trappistI would so take the heat if ms wanted to tangle over intellectual property issues because I have a blue-sky golf-course desktop background in my theme11:30
imbrandonthey get all pissy about even screenshots at times11:30
trappist<-- nothing better to do11:30
imbrandontrappist: maybe, it is sad when ever someone sees a image of a blue sky and green grass they think "windows" heh11:30
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trappistyeah, I think windows when I see rotten tree stumps protruding from barren soil ;)11:31
Hawkwindimbrandon: Is that MacOSx in vmware running on Linux or Windows ?11:32
imbrandoni dont have windows11:33
imbrandoni run all osx/linux11:34
HawkwindSo that's MacOSx running in vmware on Linux then I'd assume ?11:34
imbrandonwhere do you see that ?11:34
HawkwindNevermind.  I got screenshots mixed up11:35
imbrandoni was gonna say all my osx shots arent in vmware11:35
imbrandonthey are real apples ;)11:35
trappistdid us.archive.ubuntu.com go down?11:35
imbrandonpossibly us. if flakey, i never use it11:35
ryanakcaI think so11:36
imbrandonHawkwind: you mean http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/mol.png <-- thats mac-on-linux on my ppc lappy11:36
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imbrandonand its kinda clearly kde ;)11:37
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HawkwindYeah I saw that.  But I thought I had seen one of vmware running MacOSx but I didn't11:37
imbrandonnah i have mol and vnc screenshots to the mac11:37
imbrandonbut no vmware ones11:37
ryanakcatrappist: it's down from here http://pastebin.ca/15515411:39
trappistryanakca: between that and lp I'm having a rough day11:40
ryanakcamol looks sweet..11:40
ryanakcaimbrandon: lemme guess... only runs on ppc?11:40
Hawkwindryanakca: Heh, I have the same reaction. 11:42
ryanakcaWhat global notice was that?11:47
imbrandonthe one about the gentoo release i imagine11:47
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jdong|coreduowait, there's a new gentoo release?11:47
imbrandonno jdong|coreduo , no11:47
imbrandonstick with kubuntu ;)11:48
jdong|coreduoimbrandon: ktorrent and vmware are begging to be tested11:48
imbrandonbe happy not to emerge world ;)11:48
jdong|coreduoand since you guys are complete failures at making working install cd's11:48
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jdong|coreduooh you guys are gonna start hating my humor fast :)11:48
imbrandonhahah well as i said they install ok for me , and there is knot 2 tomarrow ;)11:48
ryanakcahmm... interesting11:49
jdong|coreduoimbrandon: that's TOMORROW... as in more than 12 hours away11:49
imbrandonjdong|coreduo: haha nah most hate mine11:49
ryanakcajdong|coreduo: you don't want gentoo... the computer is YOUR slave, not vice versa 11:49
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imbrandonuht oh .............11:49
imbrandonryanakca: Riddell banned unicode smiles ;)11:50
jdong|coreduodeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main11:50
jdong|coreduo#deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main11:50
jdong|coreduoGEE, I wonder why things from universe don't build well :-/11:50
kwwii_anyone know how to move the text on the window decoration down a pixel?11:50
kwwii_or three11:50
imbrandonmake the button images bigger but tranparent ?11:50
imbrandonon the top only11:51
imbrandonohhh text11:51
=== imbrandon should read better
imbrandonno idea tbh11:52
imbrandonkwin deco always is hard to get just right11:52
kwwii_well, you just need time to get into it11:52
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imbrandonjdong|coreduo: ready for it ?11:53
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imbrandonhrm , brb i'm gonna go bug sho for a feature11:53
jdong|coreduoyou guys don't hate ubuntu that much, do you?11:54
jdong|coreduoI swear, it's just for the compiz :P11:54
imbrandoncompiz works just fine in kde ;)11:54
imbrandontrust me i'm running it on my amd6411:54
imbrandonbut i imagine your using quinns debs that are kinda hackish if you look at them, not realy safe at all and she dosent compnotize her repo so it overides other things too11:56
imbrandonthe ones in edgy are much better and have quinns patches ;)11:56
jdong|coreduoimbrandon: yeah, I'm using quinn debs... guilty as charged11:56
jdong|coreduoimbrandon: do I need to paste my rant about install CD's again? ;)11:56
imbrandonhahah do i need to sick Seveas on you about quinns repos on a production box no less thats your testing backports on11:57
jdong|coreduolol, this box is not production by any means11:57
jdong|coreduoand I've accepted the risk to play with xgl on this box11:57
imbrandonwell yea but i'm serouis look at all the other debs she overites with bad versioning in her repos11:58
imbrandonalot have zero to do with xgl11:58
Seveasbad versioning is the last of the problems11:58
jdong|coreduoimbrandon: I've complained about it before :-/11:58
Seveasthe things are buggy as hell11:58
imbrandonheh he awakens11:58
Seveasof course11:58
jdong|coreduowell, it satisfies my xgl curiousity for now :)11:59
SeveasI'm bing highlighted by some fool11:59
imbrandonheh 11:59
jdong|coreduoand I'm not gonna come bugging any devs for things I break on my system11:59
jdong|coreduoso there11:59
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imbrandonoh man i'm out of mt dew , and i cant get to the store till in the morning12:00
jdong|coreduomust've messed around with my system for 4 hours before realizing it was omething else12:00
nixternalubuntu wiki == blah12:00
nixternaloh yah12:00
imbrandonoh Seveas can i make a feature request for falcon 2.0 without going through LP pwease 12:01
imbrandonthe ability to make meta-components that work kinda like "all" but only have select groups in it , like i can make all my <app>-nightly part of a "nightly" meta group12:02
imbrandonSeveas: ^12:02
imbrandonunderstand what i am asking or am i unclear hehehe12:04
imbrandoni never know12:04
Seveasimbrandon, you'll have to go through lp for that cause a) it's non-trivial and b) I'll forget it if you don't file it12:04
imbrandonheh okies12:04
imbrandonyea thts why i said 2.0 not 1.5.5 ;)12:05
SeveasI've thought about it before and with th 2.0 scanning code it's definitly possible12:05
imbrandonok i'll go file a wishlist bug in a minute, is that clear enough for you to rember 12:05
imbrandonfor now i trick it by making symlinks in the pool dir but that takes more bandwidth / diskspace hehehe12:06

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