[12:12] <Lure> sebas: one "self.BatteryBrightnessSlider.hide()" missing there (just tried it)
[12:13] <sebas> Lure: Should already be fixed, but not committed 
[12:15] <sebas> It's in, indeed.
[12:33] <allee> Interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  and search for ubuntu
[12:33] <Lure> sebas: I was wrong - kpm has to lock the screen before suspend/hibernate
[12:33] <Lure> It looks like I got confused by my partialy working suspend/resume
[12:44] <ryanakca> imbrandon: imbrandon_: ping
[12:44] <imbrandon> pong
[12:44] <imbrandon> ryanakca: wasup?
[12:45] <ryanakca> imbrandon: in the bug report, what is it "Compiled from sources"?
[12:45] <imbrandon> allee thats nuts, i thought all that childish ubuntu vs debian was done
[12:45] <imbrandon> ryanakca: sure
[12:45] <ryanakca> I don't think it's Ubuntu Packages
[12:45] <ryanakca> kk
[12:45] <imbrandon> what ?
[12:47] <ryanakca> what? kk = reply to the "sure"
[12:48] <ryanakca> imbrandon: lol "released to often (or do you want to upgrade all your machines every half year and send your staff to a new training?)"
[12:49] <gnomefreak> instead use dapper for for staffed use
[12:49] <gnomefreak> maybe in 3 years there will be another LTS release ;)
[12:49] <ryanakca> :)
[12:49] <imbrandon> or use windows and have them sit there on their hands while the virus scanner runs
[12:49] <ryanakca> yep
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i dont miss birus scans at all
[12:50] <gnomefreak> virus*
[12:50] <gnomefreak> who is still on it?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> debian cant touch ubuntu IMHO :)
[12:51] <imbrandon> i dunno , not realy a disscussion for in here though, i'm off to bed, gnight folks
[12:51] <ryanakca> [18:29]  <allee> Interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  and search for ubuntu
[12:51] <ryanakca> see yah
[12:51] <gnomefreak> night imbrandon 
[12:52] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: you know knoversation has this nifty feature "/nick kdefreak" </scarcasim>
[12:52] <imbrandon> 
[12:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> dropped all my names except this and thunderstruck :(
[12:53] <ryanakca> yes... I think I should adopt that nick...
[12:53] <ryanakca> kdefreak... I like it
[12:54] <imbrandon> ryanakca: btw you dont have to hilight both my names, hilight will work on either / or 
[12:54] <imbrandon> 
[12:55] <ryanakca> imbrandon: really? good :)
[12:55] <gnomefreak> mine does too :)
[12:55] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I was wondering if you had two things running... work and home or something...
[12:55] <imbrandon_> one is my lappy
[12:56] <imbrandon> one is a build machine
[12:56] <ryanakca> didn't know which was which, even though "imbrandon_" has "imbrandon" in it... so yeah
[12:56] <ryanakca> nice
[12:56] <imbrandon> my file server i also irssi from sometimes
[12:56] <imbrandon> build a cluster
[12:56] <imbrandon> 
[12:56] <ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 35/186GB, RAM: 345/375MB, 161 proc's, 8.0d up
[12:56] <ryanakca> imbrandon: with what?
[12:57] <imbrandon> wow my video card has that much ram hehe
[12:57] <imbrandon> ryanakca: i dunno, what ever you can get ahold of
[12:57] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I have 2*(pentium 1 + 32mb ram)
[12:57] <imbrandon> i built one from xboex at one time ( its still running but not as a build cluster )
[12:58] <imbrandon> cool , see thats a start
[12:58] <imbrandon> get to know clustersing and ccache and distcc with those
[12:58] <ryanakca> but that combined is less than this
[12:58] <imbrandon> but it will get you familiar with it and then you can expand later
[12:59] <imbrandon> and you dont have to fubar your "production box" while doing it
[12:59] <imbrandon> ;P
[12:59] <ryanakca> :P
 wow my video card has that much ram hehe
[12:59] <nixternal> hahahahah
[12:59] <imbrandon> heh you can buy a amd64 dell for $400usd or less
[01:00] <ryanakca> imbrandon: just a second, I'll get you the specs of the hardware...
[01:01] <imbrandon> i need to find my suse ppc iso anyhow
[01:01] <nixternal> ummm..dell don't do amd, just intel, but they start under $300 now ;)
[01:02] <imbrandon> nixternal: your right i ment compaq, my dad just picked an amd64 3400+ up with 2 gig of ram and a nvida vid 256mb ram with a 160gb sata hdd for 399$
[01:02] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/wishlist.php
[01:02] <ryanakca> my cousin works for dell
[01:02] <nixternal> nnice
[01:03] <ryanakca> yes, nice
[01:03] <imbrandon> if dell does intel only i will never buy from them , probably why i never have
[01:03] <nixternal> hehe
[01:03] <nixternal> imbrandon: if you want cheap, the linspire machine at frys is only $130
[01:04] <imbrandon> not for me silly
[01:04] <ryanakca> what about hp?
[01:04] <imbrandon> i have all the computers i need
[01:04] <imbrandon> ryanakca: i build my own 90% of the time
[01:04] <imbrandon> but hp/compaqs arent bad
[01:04] <imbrandon> i am on a hp right now
[01:04] <imbrandon> heh
[01:04] <ryanakca> imbrandon: yeah.. *pokes at the hardware list*
[01:04] <nixternal> i rob the trains when they roll through ;)
[01:05] <ryanakca> lol
[01:05] <nixternal> haha
[01:05] <nixternal> j/k
[01:05] <imbrandon> ryanakca: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/workzone.jpg
[01:06] <ryanakca> that's very... umm... organized :)
[01:06] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/eric_n_duck.png  <-- my son that turns two friday , and now i'm off to bed
[01:06] <ryanakca> that a mac?
[01:06] <imbrandon> the notebook is
[01:06] <ryanakca> see yah
[01:06] <imbrandon> an ibook
[01:06] <nixternal> runs linux that looks like windows, and oh, the keyboard is microsoft as well...you all, i think we have an infiltraitor (i spelled that way wrong)
[01:07] <ryanakca> yes, I think so too.. at least he could've done himself a favour and blured the screen
[01:07] <imbrandon> nah i'm proud of my kde royale skin
[01:08] <nixternal> my mom uses it ;)
[01:08] <nixternal> and she still hasn't realized she is using Kubuntu either
[01:08] <ryanakca> LOL
[01:08] <imbrandon> ryanakca: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png
[01:08] <nixternal> she asked me 2 questions...where is aol?  and where is IE?
[01:09] <ryanakca> Well.. that's simple... rename konqueror to Internet Explorer in the .desktop... she'll never know the difference :)
[01:10] <ryanakca> imbrandon: nice... they should switch to kubuntu at school and use that theme... see how long it takes before people catch on
[01:10] <ryanakca> imbrandon: aren't you going to bed? :P
[01:10] <nixternal> oh ya..konqueror is the cough*worst*cought web browser i have used...and firefox 2 is a close 2nd
[01:11] <ryanakca> nixternal: konqueror is OK... it's not great
[01:11] <ryanakca> firefox 2 = crap... it crashes every other minute
[01:11] <nixternal> i need a script that will change the css depending on the browser that comes through
[01:12] <ryanakca> and Opera is just wierd
[01:12] <nixternal> oh, mine doesn't crash..it just doesn't render correctly
[01:12] <ryanakca> nixternal: you can do that with JavaScript...
[01:12] <ryanakca> hmmm... renders fine here... just like FF 1.5... but it's unstable
[01:12] <nixternal> i go back to 1.0.5* and it renders great...in 2 its a different story, and in konqi, oh man watch out..i have floating tabs on a webpage in konqi
[01:13] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal   <- look at that with ff 1.0.5*, ff 2, and konqi...neither of them look the same
[01:15] <ryanakca> you still advertise FF?
[01:15] <ryanakca> I don't have 1.0.5*
[01:16] <imbrandon> yea i'm off to bed but i bet there is a -offtopic somewhere that would love to hear all aobut ff vs konq 
[01:16] <imbrandon> *hint*
[01:16] <imbrandon> gnight
[01:17] <nixternal> bah
[01:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: I don't notice any difference... am I blind?
[01:17] <nixternal> im checking..i may have fixed it and don't remember now ;)
[02:14] <viper550> Hi again everyone!
[02:40] <ryanakca> I have a package-version.tar.gz that extracts to  package/   can I rename it to package-version/ and repackage it?  dh_make -e ryanakca@gmail.com -f ../package-version.tar.gz  gives me errors, because the source dir isn't package-version
[02:41] <ryanakca> errors: LN1 "The directory name must be <package>-<version> for dh_make to work!"   LN2 "I cannot understand the directory name or you have an invalid directory name!"
[02:51] <bddebian> Hello
[04:52] <Hobbsee> WHAT THE????
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *ouch*
[05:01] <Hawkwind> Fully charged icon ?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> it's very bright
[05:01] <Hawkwind> Show us, show us!
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bye all
[05:42] <nixternal> anyone else have 3 battery icons in taskbar? ;)
[05:55] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/2muchpowah.png
[05:55] <rouzic> What's Blubuntu?
[05:56] <Hawkwind> A blue version of Ubuntu ?
[05:57] <rouzic> Do they extract a new version for a different color?
[05:58] <Hawkwind> I've never heard of Blubuntu
[05:58] <rouzic> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/BlubuntuGtkTheme
[05:59] <rouzic> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/BlubuntuLoginSplash
[05:59] <Hawkwind> http://brentroos.com/2006/07/29/blubuntu/
[05:59] <Hawkwind> First hit on google
[05:59] <Hawkwind> So it seems I was actually right.  A blue version of Ubuntu
[06:00] <rouzic> A version with different color? But if into Gnome it is possible to change the themes
[06:02] <rouzic> But it is Ubuntu's derivation or is the color that they were implementing in Edgy?
[06:03] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/huh.gif
[06:05] <rouzic> nixternal: Great
[06:05] <nixternal> everyone of my kdm splashes look like that except for the vmware one..the vmware one is just black
[06:07] <rouzic> I like the theme for KDM
[06:07] <nixternal> it is rather buggy right now, but yes, it does look good
[06:09] <rouzic> and the splash?
[06:10] <nixternal> splash looks good, but buggy right now
[06:10] <nixternal> actually...i had one login background that was messed up, but looked like it was meant to be that way..and it looked really cool
[06:11] <nixternal> it was hacker looking, because it had like a image of pbuilder running, irc, emacs, a couple of web pages and a brief image of amarok
[06:11] <rouzic> :p
[06:13] <rouzic> And will Kubuntu Edgy's predetermined color be a purple?
[06:19] <nixternal> yup
[06:20] <rouzic> If Kubuntu's logo and KDE's predetermined appearance is blue, to that this change of color comes?
[06:24] <nixternal> couldn't tell you honestly
[06:24] <rouzic> oks ;)
[06:26] <rouzic> The color does not seem to me unlikely purple, but when Kubuntu and KDE use a predetermined color, to change the theme should imply changing the logo, color of the web, etc
[06:28] <yuriy> Hobbsee: yeah that icon is scary (especially since i have a desktop o_O)
[06:28] <yuriy> nixternal: i have 2 icons...
[06:30] <nixternal> i have one now, after right clicking and quitting ;)
[06:30] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Is there any place we can see an image of the Kubuntu logo in purple that is being used, or the shade of purple ?
[06:30] <nixternal> i haven't seen it yet
[06:31] <nixternal> well i have, i just can't remember where
[06:31] <nixternal> and it was in konqi only i believe
[06:32] <Hawkwind> I'd really like to see this purple stuff.  Purple happens to be my favorite color.  
[06:32] <Hawkwind> I'm wondering if it's more of a blueish purple, or an actual purple purple
[06:33] <nixternal> same as the current purple 
[06:33] <nixternal> alright..busy day tomorrw...time for some sleep
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Current purple ?  KDE stuff is blue, as is Kubuntu
[06:33] <nixternal> g'nite all
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Nite
[06:33] <nixternal> kubuntu edgy == purple
[06:33] <nixternal> ;)
[06:35] <rouzic> :(
[07:44] <rouzic> Hi all
[07:45] <Hobbsee> hey rouzic 
[07:46] <rouzic> i have a dude
[07:46] <rouzic> I can get up-to-date to Edgy without problems from dapper?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> no
[07:47] <Hobbsee> i doubt it
[07:47] <rouzic> Is it necessary to update with the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:47] <rouzic> Oks :)
[07:47] <rouzic> Thanks for all Hobbsee ;)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> well, things will break less wiith that
[07:47] <Hobbsee> they will break at all, i expect
[07:48] <rouzic> oks
[10:25] <Tonio_> hi all
[10:26] <kwwii_> hi Tonio_
[10:26] <Tonio_> hey kwwii_ :)
[10:26] <kwwii_> imbrandon: you are right about the folders in kmail, btw...not sure what I was thinking last night
[10:27] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_, kwwii_ 
[10:28] <Tonio_> opening configuration dialog results a segfault
[10:28] <Tonio_> can someone confirm it isn't a local issue before I report ?
[10:28] <kwwii_> ouch...i didn't touch anything to do with that :p
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i cant confirm, alt+space, then ctrl+c, click on configure...katapult
[10:29] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: which icons do you mean?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: the bright orange/green ones for the power manager kde-guidance
[10:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works for you ?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: seems to work here, yep
[10:30] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: of the 6 icons I made for a given state, only one is orange (the 40%)
[10:30] <kwwii_> 4 of them are green and one has a small red part
[10:30] <Hobbsee> gah.  if i kill katapult, i cant restart katapult using katapult functionality!
[10:30] <Hobbsee> silly hobbsee
[10:30] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you do that test please ?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: true that.  the orange on is just the one that i see now.  they all (green, orange, red) seem to be very bright
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: echo "SystrayIcon=true" > ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc
[10:32] <Tonio_> then killall katapult && katapult
[10:32] <Tonio_> and right click on the icon, then configure
[10:32] <Tonio_> segfault on all my machines
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep.  nothing
[10:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so it fails for you too
[10:33] <Tonio_> but alt + space works, if my understanding is correct
[10:33] <Hobbsee> it works here - it dosetn segfault
[10:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum..........
[10:33] <Tonio_> how is that possible ? ;)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: config file?
[10:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, since it doesn't work here with exactly the same thing
[10:34] <Hobbsee> weird
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're not using skim, or any weird apps?
[10:34] <Tonio_> nope
[10:34] <Tonio_> well in fact I have this is the output
[10:34] <Tonio_> Failed to open device
[10:34] <Tonio_> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[10:34] <Tonio_> KCrash: Application 'katapult' crashing...
[10:34] <Tonio_> but that's all
[10:34] <Tonio_> looks normal
[10:35] <insanekane> Hobbsee: skim is not a wierd app ... it is required for most of the world except for basic latin
[10:36] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i realise that.  however, we've had bug reports where konsole wont appear transparent at all, and skim is for some reason, the culprit
[10:36] <allee> Tonio_: care to add knemorc in k-d-s:
[10:36] <insanekane> Hobbsee: its probably not skim ... it is most likely, X thats the culprit ..
[10:36] <allee> [General] 
[10:36] <allee> Backend=Sys
[10:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm trying to build dapper version of katpult to confirm this is due to latest version
[10:37] <allee> Tonio_: reduces CPU usage considerably
[10:37] <Tonio_> allee hu ?
[10:37] <insanekane> Hobbsee: kaffeine fails to start with Skim ... but when it was looked at further, it was found to be xlibs
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, yep
[10:37] <Tonio_> allee a great
[10:37] <allee> Tonio_: knemo can use now /sys instead of i{f,w}config, route
[10:38] <Tonio_> alleedoing that now :)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> what's the default screensaver?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> apart from "none"?
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: anyway, Katapult works here with Skim
[10:39] <Hobbsee> insanekane: right, okay
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: is there supposed to be a systray icon ?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i suspect it's disabled by default
[10:39] <Hobbsee> insanekane: run alt+f2, katapult, then hit ctrl+c
[10:40] <Tonio_> allee I'll probably add a yakuake config file, since lots of people are using it
[10:40] <insanekane> Hobbsee: it shows the config dialog
[10:40] <insanekane> Hobbsee: katapult doesnt use Skim :/
[10:40] <Hobbsee> point
[10:40] <Tonio_> allee is katapult working for you ?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that needs merging, too
[10:40] <allee> Tonio_: heh I'm an old fashied konsole user
[10:41] <allee> Tonio_: what was the short cut?
[10:41] <freeflying> anyone used usp?
[10:41] <Tonio_> alt + space
[10:41] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: are you aware that the grey of "username" and "password" on the kdm screen is almost unreadable?  apart from that, the black looks really cool :)
[10:41] <freeflying> or can it run in kde
[10:42] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: I was afraid of things like that happening
[10:42] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: I will have to make them a bit darker then
[10:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: true that.  you probably mean a bit lighter?
[10:42] <insanekane> Hobbsee: anyway, it does show the config page
[10:43] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: so the text (username, password) is too dark because of the darker bg?
[10:43] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: didn't you mention that you are missing a background pic or such?
[10:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: building old version of katapult works here
[10:44] <Tonio_> everything is working
[10:44] <Tonio_> so I assume there is something weird in the code
[10:44] <Hobbsee> insanekane: right
[10:44] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: um?  what, like most of my config here?  i got most of that bad
[10:44] <Hobbsee> s/bad/back/
[10:44] <Tonio_> I will diff to try to get it
[10:45] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: sounds like your system is messed up :p
[10:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: hehe, it's more unmessed up now
[10:45] <kwwii_> how does one start powermanager?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: unfortunately, i cant protect myself from user error much
[10:46] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:46] <kwwii_> unmessed-up is my word of the day
[10:47] <kwwii_> that is soo totally unmessed-up
[10:50] <Tonio_> if someone can confirm this : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/katapult/+bug/58178
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[10:52] <Hobbsee> is there anything major that we want to change in main?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: like k-d-s?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you mean ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I want to change anything failing :)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: knot 2 freeze notice just gone up
[10:53] <Tonio_> katapult for example ;)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, yeah, obviously :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: lets just release a broken system, then people can say how edgy+1 is so good.
[10:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kds is kubuntu native package, we should be able to change it until the end
[10:54] <Hobbsee> in comparison
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i realise that - this is just the freeze for knot 2
[10:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are we able to upload now or should we wait a bit ?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ask
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you'r eprobably okay
[10:54] <Hobbsee> the notice has only just gone up
[10:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it has just started...
[10:56] <Tonio_> so we can't upload
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ...unless we want/need to get any changes in before they freeze
[10:56] <Hobbsee> true
[10:57] <_Sime> is Riddell in neighbourhood?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> i dont think so
[11:00] <Hobbsee> _Sime: what did you want him for?
[11:01] <_Sime> Team kdelibs and kdebase need to know that I've put a new patch up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia .
[11:02] <_Sime> The patch needs to be added to kdebase.
[11:02] <_Sime> and taht should put the storage media kicker applet in order.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> _Sime: yay :)  main just froze for knot 2 - is this crucial to be in knot 2?
[11:03] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: do you think that the shape of the battery icon is ok? or should I change that too when I touch up the colors?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: it looks very wide, for some reason.
[11:04] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: that was exactly what I was thinking as well
[11:04] <kwwii_> and I already made it thinner than the first version
[11:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: heh, right
[11:04] <kwwii_> the hardest part is that I cannot test it on my machine
[11:05] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: you cant?
[11:05] <kwwii_> nope, the cursor changes and it beeps, then dies
[11:05] <Hobbsee> oh
[11:05] <Hobbsee> useufl
[11:05] <kwwii_> does one have to start it as root?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, whatever the default is...
[11:06] <Hobbsee> i dont think so, no
[11:06] <_Sime> Hobbsee: it can wait.
[11:07] <Hobbsee> notice to all:  Kubuntu meeting next thursday - 2100 UTC (ie, over a week away)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> unless that's inconvenient for lots of people
[11:07] <freeflying> Hobbsee: have you added to fridge
[11:07] <Hobbsee> freeflying: nope
[11:08] <Hobbsee> freeflying: havent even emailed it to kubuntu-devel@l.u.c yet
[11:08] <freeflying> :)
[11:08] <freeflying> Hobbsee: how about the last one?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> freeflying: huh?
[11:08] <freeflying> Hobbsee: kubuntu meeting
[11:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you were talking about a default screensaver ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> is there one done for kubuntu ?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i dont know, apparently it's "no screensaver"
[11:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes, what about the last kubuntu meeting, sorry?
[11:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but which one to choose ?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> i cant be exhausted - it's only 7pm!
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: blank is better than none
[11:19] <Tonio_> argh !!!!!!!!!
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: otherwise pick random
[11:19] <Hobbsee> heh, what?
[11:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: have you seen the patches on katapult ?
[11:19] <Tonio_> how can I maintain this ?
[11:19] <Tonio_> look kubuntu_01 patch
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i havent.  bug mez when he's around
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: isnt mez the maintainer of it, for good reason?
[11:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is I don't understand why nobody did the syncbefore
[11:21] <Tonio_> since kubuntu IS developping the application ;)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah.  no idea here either.
[11:21] <Tonio_> that doesn't make sense
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: exactly.  mez stepped away from all things linux for a while
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you're arround about this :)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> indeed, it's fallen thru the cracks
[11:22] <Tonio_> I'm buildging currently to figure out if that resolves my bugs
[11:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is I'm not the only one touched
[11:22] <Tonio_> toma and danimo can confirm those bugs too, and they were discussed on kubuntu-fr, means lots of people are touched :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> the point is why does it work for you ?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.  no idea, apart from kubuntu being in french/german for you guys?
[11:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, it works :)
[11:24] <Tonio_> my problems are gone ;)
[11:24] <Tonio_> fucking cool ;)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:24] <Tonio_> now let's add the horrible patch ;)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:25] <Tonio_> 9949 lines
[11:25] <Tonio_> most of them are kind of hexa code...........
[11:25] <Tonio_> argh !
[11:25] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[11:25] <Tonio_> okay let's go...
[11:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:26] <Tonio_> I will need this
[11:26] <Hobbsee> indeed
[11:26] <Hobbsee> there's kopete default settings too,if you wanted
[11:26] <Hobbsee> of course, why you're doing this now, when we'll have to wait a while for after freeze, is an interesting question
[11:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what are we changing to kopeterc ?
[11:27] <Tonio_> send me an email with the changes, I'll add them to kds
[11:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: then when all of that is done, THE big bug, but I don't know if someone can fix it
[11:27] <Tonio_> appart from kde developpers themselves
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: which the big bug?
[11:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sata dvd not automounting on kubuntu, no action selection dialog
[11:28] <Tonio_> not even on the desktop
[11:28] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:28] <Tonio_> nothing
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[11:28] <Tonio_> looks like working with 3.5.4 on dapper, so I presume an issue with our hal version
[11:28] <Tonio_> something like that
[11:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't agree with problem A
[11:30] <Tonio_> if this guy lives in a james bond world, that's okay
[11:30] <Tonio_> but the current settings are commonly used on most instant messenging
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh, true.  i wasnt at the meeting where they discussed it
[11:30] <Hobbsee> true
[11:30] <Tonio_> and since that can be changed by the user, I don't see the point
[11:30] <Tonio_> if he wants to hide, then he configures it and that's it
[11:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, I missed this one too
[11:31] <Tonio_> when was it ?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: months ago
[11:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and what was the decision ?
[11:31] <Tonio_> because I really opose to this
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: @ the end of the bug report
[11:31] <Hobbsee> otherwise, feel free to reject and explain
[11:32] <Tonio_> oups riddell haded me to the bug, I never saw it....
[11:32] <Tonio_> well I really opose to this
[11:32] <Tonio_> it goes against the IM purpose
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:33] <Hobbsee> true
[11:36] <Tonio_> I will try to rediscuss before changing it....
[11:36] <Tonio_> if you want to hide, don't expect everyone to do the same ;)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that
[11:37] <Tonio_> can you imagin everyone will have to manually set if he is online or not ?
[11:37] <Tonio_> that's a complete nonsense
[11:37] <Tonio_> how can they approve this ?
[11:37] <Tonio_> that's fairly stupid and goes against usability
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: go ahead and reject it - i wasnt even at the meeting
[11:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I don't want to go against a meeting decision too
[11:38] <Tonio_> I just don't understand it
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: iirc, the consensus was "if a user wants it that way, then change it" - rather like "we dont care, we just left it at the defaults"
[11:39] <Hobbsee> so going against the meeting decision wouldnt be so bad
[11:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, the point is problem B
[11:40] <Tonio_> I have to figure out what those settings do exactly
[11:41] <Tonio_> what was decided is "don't display if I'm typing something
[11:41] <Tonio_> that's a very usefull setting
[11:41] <Tonio_> !!
[11:43] <Hobbsee> er, they did?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> that's pretty stupid
[11:43] <Hobbsee> indeed, it's veryuseful
[11:51] <Tonio_> I wan't to know if the guy is typing, because that prevents from typing when the other is discussing
[11:51] <Tonio_> okay I'll reject
[11:51] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> sorry for the meeting, but that's totally stupid decision
[11:52] <Tonio_> usability is prior to paranoia for me
[11:52] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: put it on the agenda for next meeting we can re-look at the issue
[11:52] <Tonio_> cause that's not a privacy violation
[11:52] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell!
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, that was what I wanted to do
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you approve those settings or not ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> that's not "privacy violation"
[11:53] <Tonio_> that's just the purpose of an IM :)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm preparing an UVF exception for katapult, resolves all my bugs with it
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't even remember the issue :)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: paranoia :)
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: is there a new upstream release?
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is your big patch :)
[11:54] <Riddell> nice of mez to tell me
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: Version 0.3.1.3 (Latest)
[11:55] <Tonio_> we have 0.3.1.2svn
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: and it really works better for me
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably ping ervin from kde for the sata devices issue
[12:02] <Tonio_> since I don't think anyone of us can fix this
[12:07] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: thanks for the critic on the powermanager icons, the improved version looks much better :-)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: woo!  can i try them out?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i think Lure mentioned it yesterday too
[12:08] <Tonio_> kwwii_: did you change them ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> I don't have them here actually :)
[12:09] <Tonio_> kwwii_: snapshot available ?
[12:09] <kwwii_> I am in the process of making the different stages now, after which I will export them and put them online
[12:09] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay, thanks :)
[12:09] <kwwii_> ...then you can all complain that I made them even worse :P
[12:10] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I won't, since I really love the work you've been doing till now
[12:10] <Tonio_> kubuntu will have a real identity now, pretty cool
[12:10] <Tonio_> and no more blue :)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: hehe
[12:11] <kwwii_> I really hope that edgy is better than dapper, at least :-)
[12:11] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I must purple reminds me a bit of suse, but that's beautifull :)
[12:11] <Tonio_> kwwii_: it is
[12:11] <Tonio_> no comparison
[12:12] <kwwii_> well, I made the purple at suse and the blue and the green, so unless I make it red, one can always say that :-)
[12:12] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe
[12:13] <Tonio_> okay so katapult should be okay now...
[12:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how about klipper ?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what about it?  i dont use it, sorry
[12:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well it has a nasty bug
[12:14] <Tonio_> segfault when parsing the config file
[12:14] <Tonio_> it works without any config file, but fails as long as you configure it yourself
[12:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the downgrading patch for kwallet seems to work :)
[12:14] <Tonio_> no more complains about it since I did this
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just hope you don't mind the method, since it is a really crappy way to resolve the issue
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I downgraded to 3.5.2.... upstream doesn't seem to give a shit at debuging this
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh...
[12:16] <Hobbsee> right
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you imagin it is a general issue, major, and that he didn't fix it for 2 month, even while kde was releasing 3.5.4
[12:26] <Tonio_> the diff is only 10 lines....... that doesn't make sense
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ouch
[12:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes :)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> well, the icons on the kicker - the tooltip, etc, looks much nicer :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> we now have our yast hehe :)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> dinner time.
[12:29] <lexhider> Hi, I'm inviting anyone interested to our konqueror bug squashing day at #konq-bugs on freenode. If you are interested in bug triage to get the bug number down, swing by and lend a hand.
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I change kds to use o2display with katapult ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> because your currently patches are not of any use if I don't change this :)
[12:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes but we're frozen now for Knot
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, but I'm preparing the packages
[01:08] <allee> Tonio_: upstream had two patches for kwallet. I've not checked them yet
[01:08] <Tonio_> allee I haven't seen anything concerning this on the bug report....
[01:09] <allee> heh, starting guidance-power-manager several times fill systray with icons ;)
[01:10] <allee> Tonio_: they address BUG: 113057
[01:12] <Tonio_> allee this is different from our bug
[01:12] <Tonio_> completly different
[01:12] <allee> yes, otherwise we would have got an e-mail
[01:12] <Tonio_> yes ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129161
[01:13] <Tonio_> here it is
[01:13] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 129161 in general "kwalletmanager does not show up in systray any more since upgrade to KDE 3.5.3" [Normal,New]  
[01:13] <Tonio_> upstream is aware for two month
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: have you tested your patches on katapult ?
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: it fails here... the profile isn't build and if I patch Makefile.in, it ftbfs
[01:35] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/powermanager_new.png
[01:36] <kwwii_> still needs a bit of work, but it is coming along
[01:36] <Tonio_> kwwii_: nice ;)
[01:38] <kwwii_> back the the basketball game (germany vs. usa)
[01:38] <kwwii_> halftime is over
[01:46] <Lure> Riddell: did you manage to sneak in new powermanager for Knot2?
[01:46] <Lure> (we should, as old is bugy)
[01:47] <Lure> allee: yes, know problem - we should use KUniqueApplication, but cannot (yet) due to some PyKDE lmititation 
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like we miss automake depandancy on katapult since we patch Makefile.am file :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> this is the reason it fails to build
[01:55] <Riddell> bah
[01:56] <Riddell> Lure: it says it built but it's not on todays CD for some reason
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: well in fact it builds but ignores o2display
[01:58] <Lure> Riddell: that is bad... I would like to see positive reports and not complaints about stupid bugs ;-)
[01:58] <Lure> Riddell: do we also need to rebuild something due to dbus upgrade (half of GNOME was rebuilt)
[01:59] <Riddell> ah, there was no live fs buit last night
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah, so dbus did get thru then.
[01:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: it looks like (this is only way to explain the flood on edgy-changes
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, yep
[02:00] <Hobbsee> it wasnt me!
[02:00] <Lure> Riddell: also the version from yesterday has bug that it does not show tooltip for laptops w/o brightness control
[02:01] <Lure> Riddell: current svn rocks (with El's usability changes)
[02:02] <Riddell> Lure: oh?  when was that done?
[02:02] <Lure> Riddell: sebas had nighlty hacking season ;-)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hey!!!
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hey el 
[02:02] <el> hey Hobbsee 
[02:02] <Hobbsee> that was close.
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: are you ready ? I have THE trick for you ;)
[02:04] <Tonio_> what's this shit........ I don't understand
[02:04] <Lure> Tonio_: what trick?
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: look at this :
[02:05] <Lure> el: sebas implemented most of your usability feedback on powermanager
[02:05] <Tonio_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22037
[02:05] <el> Lure, cool :) 
[02:05] <Tonio_> Lure: if you can explain me this, you are the man......
[02:05] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't understand
[02:05] <el> hi Tonio_ 
[02:05] <Tonio_> el: hey ;)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Lure: first part is an extract from the buildlog, and second part is the tarball structure
[02:06] <el> :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Lure: that doesn't make sense at all
[02:06] <Lure> Tonio_: funny ;-)
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like your patches don't work 
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: no issues on the current package since we don't have autoconf, so Makefile.in isn't rebuilt and o2display is simply ignored
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: but when I do this correctly, I get this error.....
[02:08] <imbrandon> ?
[02:08] <imbrandon> who broke kdm login /me looks at kwwii_
[02:08] <Tonio_> 2 hours trying to understand, but really, now I'm lost
[02:08] <Tonio_> Lure: any idea maybe ? please :'(
[02:09] <Lure> Tonio_: would need to look into, but I am busy (no time)
[02:09] <Lure> sorry
[02:09] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, thanks
[02:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: define "broke"?  colours?
[02:09] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll try to investigate more, but that's really strange
[02:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea the theme is broke, bad colors, no background
[02:10] <imbrandon> brb food time 
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh
[02:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: voyager will be flakey for next 1.5 hours as i am upgrading some things
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right, okay
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: glad you're telling me that *now*
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you were lucky by about 10 seconds.  if that.
[02:11] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: anything quicker, and i would have made you ping whoever's in charge of ubuntu archives, over an incomplete upload
[02:12] <imbrandon> it would have just rejected it and you could have reuploaded 
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.
[02:16] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping , how long before the knot freeze is over? i have a sime related kdebase patch almost ready ( ~20 more minutes or so )
[02:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ages, it only got put in place a few hours ago
[02:17] <imbrandon> yea but knot freezes usaly dont last long, only enought to make the cd and fs images iirc
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: when it's released
[02:17] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh ok well i'll still get it ready
[02:18] <Riddell> which won't be for a while yet
[02:18] <imbrandon> yea 24+ hours
[02:18] <imbrandon> guess i should have done this yesterday instead of goofing off, heh , well you live and learn 
[02:18] <imbrandon> btw moins all 
[02:19] <Riddell> unicode smileys are now banned here
[02:19] <Riddell> cos I say so
[02:19] <Hobbsee> woo!
[02:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :D
[02:20] <Riddell> ok, that could be too harsh
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's a common joke in -offtopic, but he wasnt there to boot earlier
[02:21] <Riddell> imbrandon is the one you should be hugging
[02:21] <Hobbsee> anyone else i should hug?
[02:21] <Tonio_> Lure: found it
[02:22] <imbrandon> heh ok gone ;)
[02:22] <Tonio_> Lure: admin folder is very old, and incompatible with autoconf 2.6
[02:22] <Tonio_> Lure: since we patch Makefile.am we need automake/autoconf to rebuild automake.in
[02:22] <Tonio_> that's why I get this
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping mez to upgrade the admin folder
[02:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh, i guess this is useless to you now, but ktorrent isnt shipping with translations/installing them
[02:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: the knot freezy dosent touch universe though right ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true
[02:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea i have that fixed in 2.0.2 
[02:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool :)
[02:24] <imbrandon> the german guy bugged me about it 3 days hehe
[02:24] <Hobbsee> *earlier
[02:24] <Hobbsee> haha, worth fixing then
[02:26] <imbrandon> yea i'm fixing up the newest sime patches and fixing the uvf for 2.02 ktorrent and fixed a amarok bug and ummm what else am i doing this moring
[02:26] <imbrandon> ..... *thinks*
[02:26] <imbrandon> i guess thats about it for now, waiting for the buildd to finish all those rebuilds to i can sync my mirror 
[02:26] <imbrandon> heh
[02:27] <imbrandon> sudo remove hobbsee_op
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you suggest to rebuild the tarball or upgrade the admin folder with a patch ?
[02:27] <imbrandon> doh dident work
[02:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: but op abuse is such fun :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think rebuilding the tarball is better but I'm unsure :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and that means you have to deal with all the exploits, flooders, etc, yourself
[02:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: nah just in here
[02:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :(
[02:29] <imbrandon> heh ok voyager is safe for a few hours ( but i dunno how much cpu time you'll have as amarok + kdebase is compiling heh )
[02:29] <Hobbsee> i need to get to bed at a decent hour tonight, anyway
[02:29] <imbrandon> i wont reboot again till the dbus rebuilds hit the archive
[02:29] <imbrandon> lol
[02:30] <imbrandon> ohh Riddell no need to put amarok 1.4.2 actualy ON kubuntu.org anymore , you can just do an announcement and let people konw how to enable dapper-backports ( its in the dapper-backports archive now with all needed libs )
[02:31] <imbrandon> want me to write it up so you can just "post" it ?
[02:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: either is fine
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: cool
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[02:31] <imbrandon> kk
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ditto kopete 0.12.2
[02:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i'll include that in the announcement too ( and ktorrent )
[02:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right
[02:33] <imbrandon> tomarrow konversation 1.0 is released ;)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> well i guess one good thing is coming out of a buggy-as-hell firefox beta in the archive , i get to use konqi more as a browser
[02:35] <imbrandon> heh
[02:36] <Hobbsee> no one can steal my firefox!
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can directly add Makefile.in with the patch, probably better for uvf exception request, since it implies less changes on the package structure
[02:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't patch Makefile.in, just run buildprep
[02:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to patch it since it doesn't exist in your patch, only Makefile.am exists
[02:38] <Tonio_> and automake/autoconf is failing because of the old admin folder....
[02:39] <Tonio_> that's why it makes so many changes on the tarball, and I would prefer to avoid that, no ?
[02:40] <Riddell> I don't care about Makefile.in being in the .diff.gz
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, the problem is that latest admin folder is using unsermake
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: honnestly, that makes hudge changes to the tarball....
[02:43] <Tonio_> pain to maintain...
[02:45] <imbrandon> s/gnomefreak/kdefreak/g
[02:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: then remake the .orig, best thing to do with a silly upstream
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, will do
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: you mean latest from KDE?  3.5 branch won't use unsermake
[02:52] <Riddell> unless you have unsermake installed of course
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, just noticed this :) I will remove it first :)
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the tip
[02:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: you got mail(tm)
[02:54] <imbrandon> heh
[02:59] <kwwii_> what is broken with kdm?
[03:00] <imbrandon> kwwii_: no middle image, no background , ummmmm
[03:00] <kwwii_> ouch...no idea about that
[03:00] <imbrandon> no menu image without hover
[03:00] <imbrandon> ummm
[03:00] <kwwii_> I know that I gave all images to Riddell :-)
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh basicly big broke
[03:00] <imbrandon> i dunno howto screenshot kdm ;(
[03:00] <imbrandon> or i would
[03:01] <sebas> chvt + fbgrab maybe? Or xnest
[03:01] <imbrandon> ahh xnest i always forget
[03:01] <imbrandon> one sec
[03:02] <imbrandon> kwwii_: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss14.png
[03:03] <imbrandon> it works "functionaly" but all the art is broke as pictured heh
[03:04] <imbrandon> well atleaste i'm assuming it shouldent be black
[03:04] <imbrandon> heh
[03:04] <kwwii_> :p
[03:05] <kwwii_> it is my new theme "black craziness"
[03:05] <kwwii_> like it?
[03:05] <imbrandon> hehehe
[03:05] <Hawkwind> Are there links anywhere with the new purple look for Edgy by chance for us to view ?  I'm interested in seeing just how 'purple' the new look really is
[03:05] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: just take the 14 out of that last url i posted
[03:05] <imbrandon> i ahev a few
[03:05] <imbrandon> not official
[03:05] <kwwii_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[03:07] <_Sime> imbrandon: BTW, I'm probably going to have a patch for the "System Menu" applet with in the next 24 hours. (media:/  => /media/ and homes:/  => /home/)
[03:07] <imbrandon> _Sime: cool ok
[03:07] <imbrandon> i was just applying the others ones now 
[03:07] <imbrandon> ( from the bottom of that page )
[03:08] <Hawkwind> So why the change from blue to purple since KDE's color is blue and Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: because it's fun :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: true but kubuntu != kde
[03:08] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:08] <imbrandon> just as ubuntu != gnome
[03:08] <imbrandon> ever seen an orange gnome ? heh
[03:09] <imbrandon> besides its fairly trivial to change it back to blue ( as i do )
[03:10] <Hawkwind> I'm just curious.  Purple happens to be my favorite color so I'm not complaining.  Just wondering if purple will be the color of Kubuntu from here on out
[03:10] <imbrandon> well for the edgy release atleaste
[03:10] <imbrandon> heh
[03:11] <Hawkwind> I was looking at Blubuntu last night.  Lot of good theme work done on that
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: who knows.  i suggested purple, because i thought it might look nice, and people decided it was cool.  who knows what we'll find next time *shrugs*
[03:11] <imbrandon> yea who is awesom
[03:12] <imbrandon> who is amost as good as kwwii_ heheh
[03:12] <imbrandon> tbh i hate purple but the way its done so far in edgy its "tollerable" hehehe
[03:13] <imbrandon> by __me__
[03:13] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Well it was a great idea.  I hope purple sticks permanently.  It's just kind of surprising to see a distro based on a wm and have a different color scheme.  It's nice
[03:13] <imbrandon> moins jdong
[03:14] <jdong> morning
[03:14] <imbrandon> ;(
[03:14] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:14] <imbrandon> mine hasent in a long time
[03:15] <imbrandon> but i take lots of asprin 
[03:15] <jdong> grr, the irony.... can't open vicodin bottle.....
[03:15] <imbrandon> hahahaha Hawkwind ;)
[03:15] <jdong> stupid childproof cap
[03:15] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: i forgot about that one
[03:15] <Hawkwind> jdong: They are actually adult proof it seems at times :)
[03:15] <Hawkwind> Wow, I must admit, that purple does look really nice
[03:19] <omeow> adept won't start anymore =/
[03:19] <imbrandon> feature or bug, heh just teasin, why omeow
[03:20] <omeow> I don't know why. I get prompted for a password and then nothing happens.
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah that happens from time to time
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Same thing with Firefox
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Some days it just doesn't want to open
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: works, thanks for the tip ;) I didn't knew buildprep had been merged with kde.mk
[03:21] <Tonio_> very usefull ;)
[03:22] <imbrandon> did you try running it from console to see the error , does no good to run a dev os if you dont try to debug it, but you can ask in #ubuntu+1 about debugging it
[03:23] <DaSkreech> strace I guess
[03:23] <omeow> imbrandon, I found the reason. I ksysguard listed about 10 running instances of adept_manager under my name.
[03:24] <omeow> How come I didn't see any of them? Adept should notify me if it's already running. 
[03:24] <imbrandon> reporduce it reliably and then file a bug, i dunno
[03:25] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was generally using makebuilddir instead....
[03:27] <jdong> E: Couldn't find package libifp-dev
[03:27] <jdong> !info libifp-dev dapper
[03:27] <ubotu> libifp-dev: communicate with iRiver iFP audio devices (development files). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0.2-2 (dapper), package size 45 kB, installed size 168 kB
[03:27] <jdong> oh, that is totally buildd's fault :)
[03:28] <imbrandon> huh ?
[03:29] <imbrandon> jdong: you know !info only updates every 6 hours so it might be off a bit, best to check packages.u.c if you need definate answers
[03:29] <jdong> amarok was just under dep-wait for libifp-dev
[03:29] <jdong> which confused the heck out of me
[03:30] <jdong> ah, setback...
[03:30] <imbrandon> amarok shouldent build against libifp-dev
[03:30] <jdong> amarok is in main, libifp-dev is in universe
[03:30] <imbrandon> thats in universe
[03:30] <imbrandon> jdong: yea why is it trying that, the edgy one dosent
[03:30] <jdong> I'm not sure :(
[03:30] <imbrandon> thats not good
[03:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: we have a broken kdm image, looks like I need to do a k-d-s upload, anything else I should include?
[03:31] <imbrandon> it shouldent be using that at all if its grabbing the edgy source
[03:31] <jdong> umm, the edgy one is indeed building against libifp-dev
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: not at the moment
[03:31] <jdong> there's a build-dep on libifp-dev, according to p.u.c
[03:31] <imbrandon> hrm ...... shiznit /me looks
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: default screensaver?
[03:32] <imbrandon> yea in edgy its in main i bet 
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but that can be done later
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool
[03:32] <Hobbsee> true
[03:32] <imbrandon> !info libifp-dev edgy
[03:32] <ubotu> libifp-dev: communicate with iRiver iFP audio devices (development files). In component main, is extra. Version 1.0.0.2-3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 168 kB
[03:32] <jdong> yep
[03:32] <imbrandon> yea , shit
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what is the default screensaver we should use ?
[03:32] <Tonio_> that's the question
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: blank or random
[03:33] <imbrandon> and that cant be promoted in dapper
[03:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I disagree with random cause that can cause an issue with people who don't have glx enabled
[03:33] <imbrandon> so its either rip it out in edgy ( that i dont want to do ) or not backport it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: point.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: or just randomly pick one
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: why not discussing this with kwwii_ :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> kwwii_: you should be concerned by this no ?
[03:34] <jdong> imbrandon: yeah, we're kind of in a tough situation regarding amarok then :-/
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can upload, I'll add my work later, no pb
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: because he wasnt here earlier
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[03:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: any thoughts before i just say can the backport
[03:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: already have :)
[03:35] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ping, my dear ?
[03:35] <imbrandon> and put it on kubuntu.org
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[03:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: what is the issue?
[03:35] <imbrandon> a lib it builds against is in main in edgy but not dapper
[03:35] <kwwii_> re
[03:35] <imbrandon> i lib i would rather not rip out of edgy's build
[03:35] <kwwii_> yeah, the screensaver is a very good point
[03:36] <kwwii_> that would be a good place to use a simple branding idea
[03:36] <jdong> backports does offer the ability to do source changes
[03:36] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm not sure how it works, but siretart would
[03:36] <imbrandon> jdong: ahh ok lemme ping him then
[03:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: if it is in universe for dapper that should be ok no?
[03:36] <imbrandon> that would be the way to go
[03:36] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes, I agree
[03:36] <jdong> Riddell: buildd won't build main packages against universe libs
[03:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: well apparently the buildd dosent like that it is
[03:37] <imbrandon> its in dep-wait atm
[03:38] <imbrandon> i'll see what sireheart thniks about source change to the backpoort
[03:38] <kwwii_> to be honest, I never looked into making a screensaver before
[03:38] <kwwii_> guess we could find something simple to hack
[03:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: there are plenty there, but we need to choose something, otherwise people think it doesnt wrok
[03:39] <Riddell> kubuntu has no screensaver by default
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, which generates a few questions.  it should be at least blank or something
[03:39] <Hobbsee> people seem to think it's a bug.
[03:39] <Riddell> jdong: I am out of ideas then
[03:40] <jdong> Riddell: well, we'll wait for siretart's word on source mods 
[03:40] <Riddell> jdong: it seems like a bug in the backports implementation to me, this sort of thing can not be too uncommon
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Can't we make a none-GL random?
[03:41] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: looking.... that would be nice indeed, although I would prefer a kubuntu screensaver in the first place :)
[03:41] <jdong> Riddell: yeah, IMO backports should be allowed to build main packages against universe, but I doubt I'll ever argue that one through :)
[03:41] <Tonio_> kwwii_: there are screensavers that can use an image, so maybe we can use one of those with a kubuntu nice stuff no ?
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Would we be allowed to ship Kubuntu with a slew of Kubuntu pics?
[03:42] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yepp, that would be my first idea :-)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what of, though?
[03:42] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ;)
[03:43] <Tonio_> kwwii_: let me investigate which candidate first
[03:43] <kwwii_> Tonio_: cool :-)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Not Sure Tonio wants Kubuntu stuff :) the easiest way would be to have a folder of Kubuntu things (sub folder of Examples maybe?) that could be used as a screensaver
[03:44] <DaSkreech> I think the easiest thing would be to build a random list that has no GL screensavers in it
[03:45] <omeow> How do I get around this message? Reinstallation of linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-25-k7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[03:45] <omeow> I used adept to install nvidia-glx, and it also installed modules for i386 instead of my actual arch, k7.
[03:50] <Tonio_> kwwii_: why not simple "clock" with a background ?
[03:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: looks like infinity will "fix" the backport buildd's to use main+universe after the knot release, so i would hold off on that email i sent you
[03:54] <imbrandon> as it wont work atm anyhow LOL
[03:54] <kwwii_> Tonio_: sounds like an idea
[04:06] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, so if Kubuntu Edgy is going to be purple, does this mean we should change the Kubuntu forums to purple too
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: if you like
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: there's going to be a kubuntu meeting, thursday next week, 2100 UTC - can you be there?
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Yeppers I shall be there.  Hopefully I can get abattoir and Jucato to be there too
[04:08] <kwwii_> Riddell: new powermanager icons are here --> http://bootsplash.org/powerManagerIcons.tar.gz
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: cool.  got stuff to present at it?  add it to the agenda if you do :)
[04:09] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: take a look at inkscape --without-gui --export-png="../oxygen/${smallsize}x${smallsize}/"$( echo $icon | cut -d . -f -1 ).png --export-dpi=72 --export-background-opacity=0 --export-width=${smallsize} --export-height=${smallsize} $icon :-)those and tell me if you like them
[04:09] <kwwii_> erm
[04:09] <kwwii_> paste in the wrong place
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:09] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol
[04:09] <Hobbsee> i didnt think that quite looked right :P
[04:09] <kwwii_> take a look at them and let me know if you like them
[04:09] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: do i take the top link?
[04:10] <kwwii_> yepp :-)
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Can you link me to the agenda ?
[04:11] <imbrandon> in /topic
[04:11] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: ^^
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: /topic, yeah
[04:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: square, but they look nice :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: you're not taking on the "shiny" look for theM?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> cant tell if they're a little bright
[04:13] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[04:13] <Hobbsee> guess i could chuck them wherever they install to, and restart the applet
[04:14] <jdong_> oh boy, we have someone on ubuntuforums trying to use the LiveCD installer with 64MB RAM :-/
[04:14] <Riddell> can someone e-mail fridge about the meeting time
[04:15] <Riddell> jdong: tha is very much not supported
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i'll do that, and k-devel
[04:15] <imbrandon> nixternal: ping
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's fridge@l.u.c or something?
[04:15] <jdong_> Riddell: LOL, no it isn't :)
[04:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: fidge-devel@l.u.c
[04:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: or poke them in #ubuntu-fridge
[04:16] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[04:16] <DaSkreech> s/fidge/fridge
[04:16] <Hobbsee> 7/9?
[04:16] <Riddell> jdong_: although we should probably do something sensible like a popup saying you will get problem and should use the alternate cd
[04:17] <jdong_> Riddell: I'm thinking our livecd boot scripts should check how much RAM it has before blindly booting
[04:17] <jdong_> Riddell: like the CD sort of boots with 192MB but everything is so slow that it's not even funny
[04:17] <allee> kwwii_: pw icons: there's no icon for a desktop system (has no battery but may want use hibernate/suspend brightness ...)
[04:17] <Riddell> allee: it will not show in that case
[04:18] <Riddell> well, it will at the moment, but it shouldnt
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sent
[04:19] <allee> Riddell: so no 'easy' hibernate/suspend for desktops (if available)?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> there :)
[04:20] <Riddell> allee: it will be on the logout dialogue thanks to lure
[04:21] <allee> Riddell: hmm, yeah, good
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: emailed fridge & kubuntu-devel @ l.u.c
[04:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: sorry about the time - can you make it?
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: s/fridge/fridge-devel right heheh
[04:23] <imbrandon> shit
[04:23] <imbrandon> sorry
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not a problem.  that's part of my job, isnt it?  :P
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Laundry Service?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, name of the album
[04:24] <imbrandon> shakira rocks , but i do need to remove that jotkey, when i press the windows key it hsows my music LOL
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i used to know why, too
[04:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:25] <imbrandon> gets me in trubble sometime heh
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah I figured. I guess it'll make sense one day
[04:25] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: laundry service is the name of the album
[04:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think i beat you by 6 lines :P
[04:26] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: I know that. I'm saying that the name doesn't make any sense to me
[04:26] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: most album names dont ;P
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Like Hurricanes and Butterflies or Appetite for Destruction
[04:26] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: I guess :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: can i just dump those icons in /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics/powermanager/ and use them?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: to see what they look like in my system?
[04:27] <imbrandon> "chocolate covered starfish and hotdog flavord water"  is my favorate album name ;)
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah. For that sole reason I've never listened to Limp Bizkit again
[04:28] <imbrandon> lol 
[04:28] <imbrandon> limp bizkit rocks
[04:28] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: I guess so, since it doesn't work on my system I have never tried that though
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: the png's, i take it
[04:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: didnt seem to, i may have to fiddle.  *shrugs*
[04:33] <Hobbsee> guess the next version will copy them over anyway
[04:33] <kwwii_> hehe
[04:33] <kwwii_> yepp, the pngs
[04:34] <kwwii_> I guess you need to restart kicker
[04:34] <Hobbsee> apart from /usr/bin/etc
[04:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: neat.  still very bright though :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i kept trying with the battery full one, which didnt get changed.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oh man...it's 12.30 again.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> i was going to go to bed at about 10pm.
[04:37] <jjesse> bummer
[04:37] <jjesse> you are always staying up too late Hobbsee
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: true that.  i'm *not* a morning person
[04:38] <Hobbsee> and i was going to do more on my assignment
[04:38] <Hobbsee> *grumble*
[04:38] <jjesse> Hobbsee: is there anyway we can move the meetings to 20:00?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> i clearly *didnt* do any
[04:38] <Hobbsee> jjesse: um.  not at the moment
[04:38] <jjesse> 21:00 i can never make :(
[04:38] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not if you want me to be awake and coherant
[04:38] <jjesse> i'm always on the road home from work
[04:39] <danimo> moin
[04:39] <Hobbsee> jjesse: of course, if you guys dont need me around, then you can hold the meetings at whatever time you like
[04:39] <jjesse> grin but we want you around :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> jjesse: if i cant stay awake for a 10am uni class, i wont be able to wake up for a 6am meeting and be coherant
[04:40] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i'm going to bed!  nyah!
[04:40] <danimo> grml, the ubuntu kernel resume is really broken :}
[04:40] <jjesse> just go back to bed in bewteen the 6am mtg and 10am class :)
[04:40] <danimo> or suspend
[04:41] <Hobbsee> jjesse: seeing as the meetings finish at about 8, currently....that's hardly feasible :P
[04:41] <imbrandon> or goto bed earlier
[04:41] <jjesse> ah 
[04:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.
[04:41] <jjesse> let's make mtgs only last an hour
[04:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, yeah
[04:41] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, tha'td be good
[04:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: usually i'm not really awake enough to keep them in order, and i dont chair them.  guess i could help with that though, if Riddell wanted
[04:42] <Hobbsee> it's my job to poke everyone :P
[04:43] <jjesse> just make sure Riddell keeps them under an hour :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i could harrass him over the phone i guess, but id' really prefer not to do that
[04:43] <Hobbsee> jjesse: of course it helps when i have about half the agenda :P
[04:50] <Tonio_> http://www.prendreuncafe.com/blog/images/Rigolo/sandwich.png
[04:50] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[04:50] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <Tonio_> love this ;)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ah yes, hehe :)
[04:51] <Seveas> Hobbsee, Tonio_ that comic is from xkcd.com 
[04:51] <Seveas> I love that comic
[04:52] <Tonio_> Seveas: ah ? interesting :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:52] <Tonio_> kttsmgr.........; what a horrible name for an app
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: sudo fix all the bugs in malone
[04:52] <Seveas> This one made me laugh really hard http://xkcd.com/c138.html
[04:52] <Tonio_> especially when this one is designed for usability
[04:52] <Seveas> Hobbsee, Go fishing!
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[04:53] <jdong_> Seveas: does ubotu understand dapper-backports yet? ;)
[04:53] <Riddell> allee, fabo: any idea why digikam depends on libgphoto2-2-dev ?
[04:53] <Tonio_> Seveas: ecellent :)
[04:53] <imbrandon> hahahahahahah @ Seveas c138
[04:53] <Seveas> jdong_, no
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Seveas: get coding :)
[04:53] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I am coding
[04:53] <Seveas> I just made usplash eat 256-color images
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Seveas: keep coding then :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ooh, nice
[04:53] <Seveas> now for nice effects
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Seveas: do we get full 16 bit colour, or whatever it is?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> my colour foo isnt working tonight
[04:54] <Seveas> Hobbsee, 256 for now
[04:54] <imbrandon> Seveas: omg i about fell out of my seat at that one ( the pointers one ) only c++ guys will like it though
[04:54] <imbrandon> hhehe
[04:54] <Tonio_> Seveas: ah !!! that's a good news !
[04:54] <kwwii_> even 256 is a big step up in the art side
[04:54] <imbrandon> yea its currently 14
[04:54] <Seveas> 16
[04:54] <imbrandon> lol
[04:54] <kwwii_> :-(
[04:55] <Seveas> anyway, I need a mac to test
[04:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: 14????
[04:55] <imbrandon> ouch still not good
[04:55] <Seveas> because mac doesn't use svgalib
[04:55] <kwwii_> hehe, I have several macs
[04:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: are you insane?  14 is not a power of 2, therefore wrong.
[04:55] <imbrandon> i have an ibook
[04:55] <Seveas> Hobbsee, actually 2 colors used to be reserved
[04:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: 16 - alpha bits and stuff
[04:55] <imbrandon> seee
[04:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ahh.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> nyah
[04:55] <Seveas> my first usplash patch was to remove that
[04:55] <Seveas> and improve theming
[04:56] <Riddell> uh oh, Hobbsees going to kick someone
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, eventually
[04:56] <imbrandon> Seveas: btw all/most your nx stuff is affected by the dash/bash thing i noticed
[04:56] <imbrandon> uht oh
[04:56] <imbrandon> Seveas: btw all/most your nx stuff is affected by the dash/bash thing i noticed
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i was going to kick myself, actually
[04:57] <Seveas> imbrandon, oh feck
[04:57] <Riddell> children, please
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:57] <Riddell> nuff of that
[04:57] <imbrandon> payback from this moring
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's this?  act my age, not my clothes size?  :P
[04:57] <imbrandon> but yea Seveas the init scripts i noticed to start the nx server
[04:57] <imbrandon> dont work with dash
[04:58] <Seveas> imbrandon, I'll #!/bin/bash them
[04:58] <imbrandon> Seveas: yea , i have to poke frostwire and limewire too to use #!bin/bash
[04:58] <imbrandon> tooo much stuff uses #!/bin/sh i dont think they thought about it enough
[04:58] <imbrandon> befoire the switch
[04:59] <Seveas> it's edgy
[04:59] <Seveas> this is the place to break things
[04:59] <imbrandon> yea i read the spec , but it affects alot of stuff they dident have a use case for
[05:00] <imbrandon> anyhow thought i would let ya know ;)
[05:00] <Tonio_> Seveas: well, klipper is broken, and sata device's management is broken ;) that's edgy too ? ^_^
[05:00] <imbrandon> i noticed that yesterday
[05:00] <imbrandon> klipper is broke ?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course, be greatful you have a working desktokp at all :P
[05:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yup
[05:00] <imbrandon> hrmm  not here , where is it broke ?
[05:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it works as long as you don't have a config file in your profile
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:01] <imbrandon> guess there isnt one by default
[05:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: change it's settings, then killall and launch it again : segfault
[05:01] <Tonio_> it crashes as long as there is a klipperrc file in ~
[05:01] <imbrandon> seems like a trivial fix , dunno though
[05:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: if you find ~ | grep klipperrc
[05:01] <Tonio_> do you get an output ?
[05:02] <imbrandon> nope ,. i use the default settings
[05:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well the problem the same version works on ubuntu dapper, and no report is done on kde bts
[05:02] <Tonio_> so I assume an edgy/only issue
[05:02] <Tonio_> not that easy to fix though
[05:03] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well if you feel capable to fix this, please do :) I don't !
[05:04] <imbrandon> nor do i , but it does seem semi trivial
[05:04] <imbrandon> fwiw heh
[05:06] <Tonio_> launchpad is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[05:07] <Tonio_> I can smoke a complete cigarette between each click......
[05:07] <imbrandon> wow you smoke fast hehehehe just teasin
[05:08] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: yeah im seeing that right now it was ok a bit ago
[05:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:11] <trappist> yeah it is
[05:11] <jdong_> wow, for once launchpad is slower than ubuntuforums :)
[05:12] <gnomefreak> its picking up speed now atleast for me
[05:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: that katapult UVF exception request will need something to describe what has changed
[05:18] <kwwii_> time for shopping, bbl
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I know but there is no changelog provided and svn changelog doesn't give more informations...
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: at least this version works, but that's it
[05:19] <Tonio_> maybe mez could give us informations maybe ?
[05:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: what are the critical bugs it fixes?
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 56918 and bug 58178
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56918 in katapult "doesn't produce anything on edgy" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56918
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58178
[05:20] <Tonio_> I added the info in debian/changelog so mdz can see it
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I add a comment with the bug ids ?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> is 3.5.4 in dapper or edgy "stable"
[05:24] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: yes
[05:24] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: can be considered stable yes, although there are still a few bugs
[05:25] <gnomefreak> it has been ported to dapper right?
[05:25] <imbrandon> yes lubuntu.org
[05:25] <gnomefreak> buug 53287
[05:25] <imbrandon> kubuntu.org*
[05:25] <gnomefreak> bug 53287
[05:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53287 in kdebase "Konqueror crash opening video" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53287
[05:25] <gnomefreak> is why i ask
[05:25] <imbrandon> what about it ? heh
[05:26] <gnomefreak> hes using 3.5.3 and i wanted to know if it was fixed in 3.5.4. once he updated to 3.5.4
[05:26] <gnomefreak> i didnt want to ask him to update to unstable release
[05:26] <imbrandon> well updating is good but he says 
[05:27] <imbrandon> its when an external player is launched, most likely its teh external player segfaulting
[05:27] <imbrandon> or at very leaste the plugin he is using
[05:27] <imbrandon> realy needs more info
[05:27] <imbrandon> like what plugin, what video url , what type of stream
[05:27] <imbrandon> etc
[05:28] <gnomefreak> k
[05:28] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: ^^
[05:28] <gnomefreak> got it
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that ressembles to the kaffeine classical crash of konq :)
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is lts should use kmplayer in the first place, not kaffeine
[05:29] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea thats what i thought but really cant be sure
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope, we miss a lot of informations
[05:29] <imbrandon> unlesss we ask him ;)
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: please do :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> heh yea i think gnomefreak is , arent you ?
[05:30] <Tonio_> I spent to much time on kaffeine + konq in the past
[05:30] <imbrandon> lol ;)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i am :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> kk good deal 
[05:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: done
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:40] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't kds concerned by knot2 freeze ?
[05:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was just wondering because of your today's upload :)
[05:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: well the fix is necessary for knot 2, unless you think we should have a broken kdm theme
[05:43] <DaSkreech> hi bddebian
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, nope it was just for my curiousity :)
[05:44] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech, Riddell
[05:44] <bddebian> & Tonio_ :-)
[05:44] <Tonio_> yop bddebian
[05:46] <Tonio_> _Sime: I just finished the k-s-s new svn snapshot (08/26), I finally found the issue
[05:46] <Tonio_> _Sime: will upload after knot2
[06:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping when your arround
[06:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: hi
[06:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: what was the problem?
[06:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: an error in makefile.am file :)
[06:20] <Tonio_> let me show you
[06:20] <Tonio_> _Sime: the file is named kde-settings-accessibility_ss.directory but makefile line is : 
[06:20] <Tonio_> xdg_directory_DATA = \
[06:20] <Tonio_> kde-settings-accessibility.directory \
[06:21] <_Sime> oh
[06:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: can you rename the .directory on the svn ? I will resync to have something clean
[06:21] <_Sime> and that broke the whole thing?
[06:21] <Tonio_> yup :)
[06:21] <Tonio_> unsermake pawa :)
[06:22] <_Sime> kde-settings-accessibility.directory is (was?) an already existing file from KDE, which I didn't want to overwrite.
[06:22] <_Sime> so I used _ss
[06:22] <Tonio_> it isn't there anymore afais
[06:22] <Tonio_> I just resync and I don't see it.... unless I'm crazy
[06:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/menu/
[06:23] <Tonio_> it's not there, so maybe simply renaming your file will suffice
[06:24] <sebas> Riddell: I'm pretty much done with the polishing work on powermanager, can you give it a try?
[06:24] <sebas> And the new icons are nice
[06:24] <_Sime>    /kdebase-3.5.4_orig/applnk/kde-settings-accessibility.directory
[06:24] <Tonio_> ah, this one.....
[06:25] <Tonio_> okay so better fix makefile.am then
[06:25] <Tonio_> s/kde-settings-accessibility.directory/kde-settings-accessibility_ss.directory
[06:25] <Tonio_> I mean fixing menu/Makefile.Am
[06:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: is that okay for you ?
[06:27] <_Sime> done
[06:27] <Tonio_> _Sime: cool thanks
[06:27] <Tonio_> let's rebuilg
[06:27] <Tonio_> s/g/d
[06:28] <_Sime> so how do you make the tallbar from svn anyway?
[06:31] <Tonio_> _Sime: make -f admin/makefile.common
[06:31] <Tonio_> just that I didn't have unsermake install, so it used automake as replacement, which cause the debian package failing to build...
[06:31] <Tonio_> now I'm okay
[06:33] <_Sime> ok, but systemsettings doesn't (didn't??) have a Makefile.common I thought.
[06:33] <_Sime> sebas: Hi, why do you have a recompile-ui script?
[06:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: I'm replacing systemsettings/ in the old source package in fact :)
[06:33] <_Sime> Tonio_: Ok ;-)
[06:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: I can also simply grab kdebase admin folder, that works too
[06:34] <_Sime> Tonio_: did you know when knot2 is done?
[06:34] <toma> and the translations?
[06:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: I did this for today's katapult work for example, which used an admin folder uncompatible with our autoconf version
[06:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: dunno, probably 2 or 3 days
[06:34] <Tonio_> toma: nothing changed on that point so no need to fix
[06:35] <Tonio_> toma: I agree with you that should be done if there where i18n modifications
[06:35] <toma> _Sime: i'm not very impressed by cmake
[06:35] <_Sime> toma: I haven't tried it. It couldn't be worse.
[06:35] <Tonio_> toma: and how about the true nightmare for packagers : scons :)
[06:36] <toma> _Sime: it is not worse, but i'm not thrilled either. but it works and is a bit better to understand then automake
[06:38] <_Sime> It must be possible for mankind to make a build tool that doesn't suck.
[06:39] <Tonio_> _Sime: well scons seems very appreciated by the people using it, although I never did myself (I'm not a coder)
[06:39] <Tonio_> _Sime: but it is a pain to package with :)
[06:40] <_Sime> Tonio_: why is that?
[06:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: rules are a pain to write, since cdbs doesn't support scons actually
[06:40] <Tonio_> lots of files to clean etc......
[06:48] <sebas> _Sime: Laziness, basically
[06:48] <sebas> Didn't think of importing it on the fly though
[06:48] <_Sime> sebas: but they get recompiled automatically
[06:48] <sebas> Not when running from the commandline
[06:48] <_Sime> sebas: tja, it you do your imports right.
[06:49] <_Sime> sebas: BTW, I've got NX on the go now.
[06:49] <sebas> Ah, improvement?
[06:50] <Tonio_> _Sime: we should re-ad gtk-styles-and-fonts in apprearance in k-s-s
[06:51] <Tonio_> because you have to resync the font size everytimt you change it, so if the module isn't accessible, there is an issue
[06:51] <Tonio_> _Sime: don't you agree ?
[06:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: can't the font size be made automatic?
[06:53] <Tonio_> _Sime: hum, since the values are set in gtkrc, I don't know howto, unless we patch the kde font configuration dialog
[06:53] <Tonio_> _Sime: another idea maybe ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> it can be done via the startkde script
[06:54] <Tonio_> but that will apply only while reloading kde
[06:54] <_Sime> brb
[06:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: if there is no other solution found, I can always do that
[06:55] <Tonio_> but that will affect people using bith gnome and kde too, since it'll change their settings
[07:00] <nixternal> knot 2 release tomorrow..i would say the "release notes" are at about 90% complete. i have new screenshots going up...if you want anything added let me know, or add it to the page and i will work it in
[07:01] <omeow> What happened to the pretty background kwwii_? =(
[07:01] <sebas> nixternal: If the powermanager can go in, that'd be great.
[07:01] <sebas> I'd like to see more testing though
[07:01] <omeow> It's now black.
[07:02] <nixternal> sebas: got it here, screenshots and all, just need to do a little write up about it and it will be good...do you have a blog link or anything that might have some extra information?
[07:02] <sebas> nixternal: I can blog about it, I'd like to link an updated package then.
[07:02] <nixternal> speaking of power manager, it loads 3 icons in my taskbar
[07:02] <omeow> Does "Mounting root filesystem..." take 35 seconds for anyone else?
[07:02] <nixternal> heh, not here it doesn't
[07:03] <nixternal> thats alright sebas, i just thought someone had already blogged about it, or had extra info somewhere else...it may have been Riddell possibly
[07:03] <omeow> The whole boot process takes forever. And it loads lots of stuff that I don't even have or want to use. Like for example, Raid and Bluetooth, Raid is disabled in my BIOS. Why does linux insist on loading stuff for that eventhough it's switched off?
[07:04] <sebas> nixternal: When did you make the screenshots?
[07:04] <nixternal> just now
[07:04] <imbrandon> omeow: try ##linux
[07:04] <sebas> With a recent svn? 
[07:04] <sebas> I've done quite some UI work on it today
[07:04] <nixternal> no, with the updates from repos
[07:05] <nixternal> i need the screenshots to resemble what will be released tomorrow..thats why
[07:05] <omeow> imbrandon, why? Am I in the wrong channel?
[07:05] <sebas> That's yesteryday's version, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to old :P
[07:05] <nixternal> hehe
[07:05] <nixternal> hurry up and get um into main then ;)
[07:05] <omeow> I thought this was a channel to give feedback on kubuntu edgy.
[07:05] <imbrandon> omeow: if you asking those type of questions yes you are 
[07:05] <nixternal> #ubuntu+1
[07:05] <imbrandon> omeow: no its not
[07:05] <imbrandon> omeow: #ubuntu+1 is
[07:06] <omeow> What's this channel for then?
[07:06] <imbrandon> omeow: this is a chan so the develpers to collaborate while coding
[07:06] <sebas> nixternal: Dunno if updated packages can make it in, the one of yesterday is quite buggy 
[07:06] <nixternal> i have noticed ;)
[07:06] <allee> kwwii_: fwiw, when I first saw the new background image. I thought, huh, the colors on this new TFT looks as yellowish as on those a years old TFT. So I would prefer white instead of yellow in the center.  It's maybe only me that has/d such a first time experience
[07:06] <nixternal> imbrandon: hahaa look at allee's response ^^  sound familiar?
[07:07] <nixternal> allee: i thought my monitor was going bad when i first booted up with the new one ;)
[07:07] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea i've been trying to convice kwwii_ of that all week
[07:07] <imbrandon> allee your not alone
[07:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:07] <nixternal> it looks decent though on my lcd, just the crt
[07:07] <allee> nixternal: oh, cool.  I was a bit shocked when I saw BG image without any window hiding part of it
[07:08] <nixternal> lol
[07:10] <kwwii_> we will be changing to the blue-purple version soon, don't worry
[07:13] <allee> kwwii_: :)
[07:30] <Riddell> hmm, new ktorrent
[07:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: yup already on it
[07:30] <imbrandon> 2.0.2 right ?
[07:30] <jdong_> yeah, I bugged imbrandon about that yesterday :)
[07:31] <imbrandon> i was just getting ready to email mdz/kamoin bout it
[07:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[07:32] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44805&PHPSESSID=0b3e616ca8e361a944cda0fbbaae7a32
[07:33] <Tonio_> that could be very usefull
[07:33] <Tonio_> very usefull
[07:33] <Tonio_> even if the guy is......... ygly
[07:33] <Tonio_> s/ygly/ugly
[07:34] <imbrandon> yea it could probably be done better wait context menu's / kio-slave in konq as that stuff is all avaible already
[07:34] <imbrandon> command line
[07:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: agree
[07:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what about http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=34096
[07:37] <Tonio_> macosX is using this for long now and this functionnality is very appreciated
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can including this in kds quite easilly
[07:38] <imbrandon> yea i've always like that myself
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in seeing this in kds ?
[07:41] <Tonio_> I would vote for inclusion :)
[07:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, what does it do?
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: enables to change the color of a folder
[07:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's very nice feature for visibility, mac users do that all the time for example
[07:42] <Tonio_> when you have a folder you want to identify easilly in a big list of folders
[07:43] <Riddell> hmm, yet another option in the right click menu
[07:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: folders don't have that much right click options compared to audio or video files for example :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: or images too
[07:45] <Riddell> sebas: powermanager still has instant apply for the scroll stuff, which could well be fine but isnt what el recommended
[07:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: and it is a submenu, it doesn't always appear while right-clicking unless you go to "actions"
[07:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, the servicemenu it linked to an icon set
[07:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: therefore we cannot ship it by default.......
[07:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_: true
[07:51] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea i was there if you notice my the nicklist, also i sent that to bash.org too ;)
[07:51] <nixternal> haha kool
[07:51] <nixternal> that was classic right there
[07:54] <ryanakca> does kubuntu have a button? like http://kde.org/stuff/buttons.php
[07:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: see bottom of kubuntu.org
[07:56] <ryanakca> oh, nice, thanks 
[07:56] <sebas> Riddell: It will revert as soon as you close the dialogue
[07:56] <imbrandon> holy sh*t , linspire made CNR free today
[07:56] <sebas> If it doesn't, it's a bug.
[07:56] <ryanakca> CNR?
[07:57] <imbrandon> click n run 
[07:57] <sebas> I've still to find a solution for the non-active slider
[07:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: any copyright restrictions as to using it? or can I just stick in a link to kubuntu.org?
[07:58] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have an updated package for me, so I can link it from my blog to get some more testing?
[07:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: the logo is creative commons
[07:58] <Riddell> sebas: not at this time
[07:59] <jdong_> imbrandon: I'm in disbelief about CNR, too
[07:59] <sebas> Could (or someone else) you roll me one? :)
[07:59] <sebas> And: Will we get an updated package in the next snapshot livecd, or is it too late?
[07:59] <nixternal> Riddell: has the knot 2 iso been made yet?  are there going to be any changes between right now and the iso release?  am i safe to use screenshots i made today for the notes?
[08:00] <Riddell> nixternal: it has not been made yet, we are frozen so no changes should be made
[08:00] <Riddell> sebas: it is too late
[08:00] <jdong_> has anyone tried wgetting an ISO and directly piping it to cdrecord before?
[08:01] <jdong_> I feel kind of lazy today
[08:01] <nixternal> cool..i will have something a little later then for us...when it is done who should I poke to make sure the info gets on the main announcement?
[08:01] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[08:02] <Riddell> sebas: are you especially wanting to blog today or can I wait until after the Knot CD?
[08:02] <sebas> Riddell:  Let me know if you found the time to roll a package then, ok?
[08:02] <sebas> I wrote the blogentry, but do as you find time.
[08:02] <sebas> Dunno how much work it actually is, so I'm not pushing
[08:06] <rouzic> In my macbook to expel a cd I need to press a button, the button in Dapper does not work, in the Knot2 it will work?
[08:07] <imbrandon> rouzic: hold function ( fn ) and the eject key
[08:07] <imbrandon> its not like in osx
[08:08] <rouzic> imbrandon: in dapper?
[08:08] <imbrandon> yes dapper or edgy 
[08:08] <imbrandon> either one
[08:08] <rouzic> Wowwww
[08:09] <rouzic> humm, no :(
[08:09] <jdong_> BURN-Free was used 2750 times
[08:09] <jdong_> ^_^
[08:09] <jdong_> yeah.
[08:10] <imbrandon> rouzic: ask nalioth in ##apple , he should be able to help you get it working
[08:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: I've been messing around with Kumula... I think I'll wait a while... till the next version comes out... let it develop a bit more
[08:10] <rouzic> Thanks imbrandon
[08:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: thanks for looking at it, put a note on that Candidates/Kubuntu page
[08:27] <rouzic> imbrandon: no :(
[08:29] <derekS> any of you guys expierence this bug (in dapper)? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/58071
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[08:37] <seaLne> Riddell: ping
[08:38] <Riddell> hi seaLne 
[08:38] <seaLne> Riddell: when would be suitable for you to get the sun dropped off?
[08:40] <kwwii_> if Riddell gets the sun, I want the moon :P
[08:47] <jjesse> who gets uranus
[08:51] <Riddell> sebas: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7svn20060830-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:51] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance-edgy_0.6.7svn20060830-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:53] <imbrandon> i got dibs on neptune , pretty rings
[08:54] <Riddell> jdong_: Ive had a request for a qt4-x11 backport
[08:55] <jdong_> I've been getting requests for pyqt4 :-/
[08:55] <imbrandon> wow orga slamed RMS in his blogpost ;)
[08:55] <jdong_> pyqt4 is not possible
[08:55] <Riddell> that would be cool too
[08:55] <derekS> imbrandon: why would you want cnr to work with ubuntu? regardless if it is free... it is just a fancy apt if i remember correctly
[08:55] <Riddell> jdong_: why not?
[08:55] <jdong_> needs a new python-sip thingie
[08:55] <jdong_> not sure if that's safe to pull in
[08:55] <jdong_> but there was a winding stack of dependencies
[08:55] <imbrandon> derekS: easy for end user, bottom line
[08:56] <Riddell> jdong_: hmm
[08:56] <imbrandon>  /whois derekS 
[08:56] <imbrandon> errr
[08:56] <rouzic> imbrandon: amarok 1.4.2 is not compatible whit Katapult
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: is this new powermanager?
[08:56] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[08:56] <imbrandon> rouzic: works just fine here
[08:56] <Lure> dapper and edgy?
[08:56] <derekS> imbrandon: hehe i am no one special :)
[08:56] <rouzic> Error Loading Media
[08:56] <rouzic> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported.
[08:56] <rouzic> ./home/rouzic/musica/Anthems of Rebellion/04 - Dead Eyes See No Future.ogg
[08:56] <trappist> who should a kubuntu bug be assigned to if there's a patch attached
[08:56] <derekS> imbrandon: easier then adept?
[08:56] <rouzic> Oks
[08:57] <imbrandon> hahah yes, dont get me started on my feelings for adept
[08:57] <derekS> imbrandon: or synaptic?
[08:57] <derekS> imbrandon: haha, i don't really use the gui ones
[08:57] <imbrandon> synaptic == gtk
[08:57] <derekS> ksynaptic/
[08:57] <imbrandon> derekS: then your not the target audiance
[08:57] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:57] <imbrandon> makes that simple
[08:57] <derekS> imbrandon: haha right
[08:58] <imbrandon> ksynaptic hasnet been updated in a long time and isnt in ubuntu
[08:58] <derekS> wasn't there also plans to integrate ubuntu + cnr?
[08:58] <derekS> i thought adept was kubuntu's prize contribution!
[08:58] <jdong_> but seriously, mepis is on to something when they ship with synaptic :)
[08:58] <imbrandon> jdong i have found that wise in here
[08:58] <derekS> now i don't feel bad about not using
[08:58] <derekS> it
[08:58] <Lure> Riddell: powermanager looks ok to me
[08:59] <imbrandon> anyhow this isnt the place to dicussess this derekS ;)
[08:59] <derekS> haha :)
[08:59] <imbrandon> so we should drop it in here ( you can poke me elsewheere though )
[08:59] <derekS> imbrandon: no worries, i use apt, so it isn't a huge concern
[08:59] <derekS> my bug i reported is though :)
[09:00] <imbrandon> rouzic: thats becouse you probably dont have a mime type setup for ogg, has nothing to do with katapult or amarok
[09:00] <seaLne> derekS: sorry i've been extremly busy at work the last few days and not had a chance really to do any kubuntu stuuf
[09:01] <imbrandon> derekS: whats the bug number ?
[09:01] <derekS> seaLne: no worries, i found out its a *common* kde bug, and there are fixes for bsd... couldn't find any solid info for linux
[09:01] <derekS> 58071
[09:02] <imbrandon> bug 58071
[09:02] <crimsun> it's not ubugtu, it's LP
[09:02] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:02] <imbrandon> yea it timed out
[09:02] <derekS> heh
[09:02] <imbrandon> [14:02]  [Notice]  -Ubugtu- Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out
[09:03] <jdong_> :(
[09:03] <derekS> 14:29:17 < Ubugtu> Malone bug 58071 in kdebase "XDMCP lstening on udp6 instead of udp" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[09:03] <imbrandon> oh wow , ok nvm i aint touching that one hehe
[09:03] <derekS> imbrandon: haha why not?
[09:03] <jdong_> LOL
[09:04] <imbrandon> xdmcp is the devil to me, we've gone rounds before
[09:04] <derekS> it seems that it depends if kde was compiled wiht ipv4 or ipv6 support... 
[09:04] <derekS> haha
[09:04] <derekS> i am trying to set it up
[09:04] <jdong_> here we go again... before we know it, xdmcp will be ripped out of kdm just like the open terminal button :)
[09:04] <derekS> thats not good!
[09:05] <imbrandon> open terminal ? you mean open console? its still there
[09:05] <jdong_> imbrandon: you guys neutered it by default :P
[09:05] <derekS> i want to get rid of vnc
[09:05] <jdong_> because people like me are too stupid to use the terminal :P
[09:06] <jdong_> I like my KDE with cluttered menus
[09:06] <derekS> the issue is who has a prettier terminal client
[09:06] <imbrandon> derekS: sweet, thats cool but not the target audiance
[09:07] <derekS> imbrandon: yeah i know.... i am pretty rare, most people find iming via bitlbee in irssi a pain
[09:07] <derekS> and using mutt as a mua instead of thunderbird/evolution/kmail kinda difficult
[09:07] <imbrandon> i find irssi a pain
[09:07] <imbrandon> derekS: yup welcome to post 1997 ;)
[09:08] <derekS> imbrandon: haha why?
[09:08] <derekS> i find i can type faster than mouse (if thats a verb)
[09:08] <derekS> and i like how i can access my stuff *ANYWHERE*
[09:08] <imbrandon> i can access my stuff anywhere too ;) imap rocks 
[09:08] <derekS> but... this is extremely off topic :)
[09:08] <imbrandon> webmail rocks
[09:08] <sebas> Riddell: Thanks!
[09:09] <imbrandon> rouzic_ausente: i'm sorry but not many if anyone understands what you are saying
[09:09] <derekS> :)
[09:10] <rouzic> I am Spanish, I need a translator
[09:10] <imbrandon> rouzic: #ubuntu-es
[09:10] <rouzic> If, but also I am in this channel for Edgy's development
[09:11] <imbrandon> edgy developemtn help is #ubuntu+1
[09:11] <rouzic> er, Thanks
[09:11] <derekS> jdong_: i would switch my mail accounts to google hosted if they did imap
[09:12] <imbrandon> all mail forwards to google --> fetchmail --> procmail ---> imap ---> my client
[09:12] <imbrandon> works great
[09:12] <jdong_> imbrandon: my gmail is 450MB; fetchmail takes a bit more time/effort than I can afford :(
[09:13] <jdong_> and that's mostly text e-mails, too
[09:13] <imbrandon> jdong what does size have to do with it ?
[09:13] <jdong_> it hurts to set it up?
[09:13] <derekS> fetchmail pulls from my imap servers (i don't run them) -> procmail (filtered for spam) -> maildir... i access it either through mutt .... if i am without ssh access... i have an imap server for roundcube
[09:14] <jdong_> I've ran into snags fetching 6197 e-mails before :(
[09:14] <derekS> i have everything forwarded to gmail... i ahve about a gig of mails... took a few days... but i got it all downloaded (i backup via gmail)
[09:14] <imbrandon> jdong i get over 3k a day so 6k at once is not a biggie imho ;)
[09:14] <jdong_> my god
[09:15] <derekS> you get 3k emails a day???
[09:15] <derekS> how do you read them?
[09:15] <seaLne> getting is easy its the reading
[09:15] <jdong_> I thought 50 was bad
[09:15] <imbrandon> somewhere close to that, derekS with my eyes ;)
[09:15] <derekS> are they all real emails?
[09:15] <derekS> or lots of junk/unimportant
[09:15] <imbrandon> thats after the junk filters and yes i read 85% of them or more
[09:15] <jdong_> depends on how you define unimportant :)
[09:16] <sebas> Riddell: I think it doesn't install the icons
[09:16] <sebas> They would need to go into /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics 
[09:16] <imbrandon> derekS: http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss13.png  there is my imap folders ;)
[09:17] <derekS> imbrandon: how can you do that and work/go to school/whatever you do
[09:17] <imbrandon> i work on kubuntu and 98% of the mail is *ubuntu related
[09:17] <derekS> ohhh,  a lot of mailing lists
[09:17] <derekS> imbrandon: you paid by canonical?
[09:17] <imbrandon> no
[09:18] <derekS> if i got that much email, i prob wouldn't use mutt regularly either :)
[09:18] <jdong_> come to think about it, I probably read the same volume of text moderating ubuntuforums on a daily basis :-/
[09:18] <imbrandon> i made my money other ways in the past , anyhow yes we are way offtopic
[09:18] <jdong_> lol
[09:18] <jdong_> isn't there some important edgy cd or something coming out tomorrow? ;)
[09:18] <imbrandon> knot 2
[09:19] <jdong_> yeah... that's it :)
[09:19] <derekS> imbrandon: :)
[09:19] <jdong_> will this one actually install? :)
[09:19] <jdong_> and they all didn't work
[09:19] <imbrandon> they all install for me but i never have alot of the problems you or Tonio_ run into ;)
[09:20] <jdong_> grr
[09:20] <jdong_> daily edgy cd's all don't work for me
[09:20] <seaLne> ah, thats annoying i got a new desktop at work and was hoping to install it tommorow
[09:21] <Riddell> jdong_: which ones?
[09:21] <Riddell> todays alternate works fine for me
[09:21] <jdong_> Riddell: I've tried mostly ubuntu cd's, both livecd and alternate
[09:21] <jdong_> haven't tried today's
[09:21] <jdong_> but yesterday's alternate bombs out because there's no lvm2 package
[09:22] <jdong_> I haven't tried kubuntu CD's but I didn't expect them to be different at that base level
[09:26] <ryanakca> anybody working on QComicBook  ? or can I package it
[09:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: nobody that I know of
[09:27] <ryanakca> kk
[09:29] <_Sime> imbrandon: I've added another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
[09:29] <imbrandon> kk the system menu one ?
[09:29] <_Sime> Riddell: I've added yet another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia ;-)
[09:30] <_Sime> imbrandon: system:/ and the System menu kicker applet.
[09:30] <imbrandon> cool, i'll finish getting kdebase all ready then for after the release
[09:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'll have a diff ready for you tonight/inthe morning so you can look it over before the freeze if up
[09:31] <imbrandon> this thing is actualy comming togather nicely
[09:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: mdz isnt on holiday is he ?
[09:32] <_Sime> I'm  busy now trying to hunt down where the defaults for the KDE file dialog come from. (and the speedbar on the left)
[09:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: he is
[09:33] <jdong_> _Sime: could it be the newer compiler?
[09:33] <imbrandon> ahh ok so kamoin for the uvf instead ?
[09:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: both of them
[09:34] <imbrandon> ok
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: did you have any time to look into ksmserver patch for suspend/hibernate?
[09:36] <Riddell> Lure: its sitting waiting to be uploaded once freeze is over
[09:37] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so in general it is fine with you (using hal/dbus and not dcop of powermanager)?
[09:37] <imbrandon> grr i can never find kamoins email when i need it, i should have it in my addy book
[09:37] <Riddell> Lure: I prefer dbus since its more easily adaptable by anyone running hal
[09:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: cjwatson@
[09:38] <imbrandon> thx
[09:38] <Lure> Riddell: me to - the patch can be used also if klaptop/kpowersave is deployed and should work 
[09:42] <sebas> Riddell: Hm, the pics are installed in guidance/pics/powermanager, they need to go into guidance/pics
[09:42] <ryanakca> hmmm... whats the difference between Depends and Build-Depends again?
[09:42] <sebas> They won't load this way.
[09:42] <Riddell> sebas: ok (but I cant fix that today)
[09:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: build-dep for when its compiling, depends for when its installed
[09:43] <ryanakca> Build-Depends are required to build stuff (like foobar-dev) and, Depends are things that the program runs off of (foobar)?
[09:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, and how can you tell which is which?
[09:43] <ryanakca> educated guess?
[09:44] <fdoving> ryanakca: apt-cache showsrc package
[09:44] <jdong_> while we are asking build-depends questions, why do some build dependencies need to be so specifically versioned
[09:44] <ryanakca> fdoving: first time package... not in the repos... or packaged yet... I'm writing debian/control
[09:44] <fdoving> ryanakca: source packages got build-depends, binary packages got depends.
[09:44] <jdong_> i.e. all the uploads today to build against dbus 0.90
[09:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: depends usually magically get filled in with ${shlibs}, build-deps will be libqt3-mt-dev for a qt programme and anything else it needs
[09:44] <sebas> Riddell: Ok, let me know when you've got an updated package.
[09:44] <jdong_> is buildd not smart enough to pick the latest?
[09:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: and would "rar" or "unace" be depends then?
[09:45] <ryanakca> because they aren't needed to "build", just to run the program?
[09:45] <fdoving> ryanakca: then the README or INSTALL file could be helpful.
[09:45] <Lure> ryanakca: build-depends typically provide headers (*.h) for compilation (-dev packages)
[09:45] <Lure> ryanakca: or tools needed to build (automake...)
[09:51] <allee> jdong: usually a versioned (build-)dep has a special reason: pkgs depends on new-feature or bug-fixed available in pkg version x.y
[09:52] <allee> jdong_: ^^^
[09:54] <allee> jdong_: versioned (build-)depends are also a special service to backporters.  If debuild refuses to build due to not satisfied depends one has to think a bit more instead of delivering (not obviously) broken backport pkgs to users ;)
[09:55] <jdong_> allee: a lot of times there really isn't a good reason, other than "rebuild against newer libfoo"
[09:55] <jdong_> in which case, why wouldn't a rebuild rebuild it against libfoo anyway?
[09:55] <jdong_> does buildd not always pick the latest available libfoo?
[09:56] <jdong_> the strictly versioned build-deps account for I'd say 75% of rejected backports that would otherwise work
[09:56] <seaLne> because its already built
[09:56] <jdong_> so there's no way to rebuild without making a source change?
[09:56] <seaLne> nafaik
[09:57] <allee> jdong_: versioned build-deps often have a limited lifetime and are sometimes distro specific.  Easy to forget -> pester upstream
[09:57] <allee> jdong_: at least in all cases I've seen (whatever that's worth) the version was not introduced just for fun.
[09:58] <jdong_> k, if that's the case, I'll pester upstream a lot more
[09:58] <jdong_> muahaha
[10:02] <jdong_> MUAHAHA
[10:02] <jdong_> j/k
[10:04] <allee> j/k?
[10:04] <jdong_> kidding
[10:04] <jdong_> won't torture you today
[10:05] <kwwii_> ok, this is my last attempt for today
[10:05] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/powerManagerIcons.tar.gz
[10:05] <kwwii_> I have officialy had enough of tiny little pictures for today
[10:06] <kwwii_> I feel like I spent the day trying to crawl into my monitor
[10:06] <allee> lol
[10:06] <jdong_> you could decrease your resolution or use a magnifier thingie
[10:07] <kwwii_> decreasing resolution doesn't work so well on a laptop
[10:07] <Lure> kwwii_: lol - I can understand it
[10:07] <kwwii_> and using a magnifier thingy is what I do anyway
[10:07] <allee> and especially with pixel based icons ;)
[10:07] <kwwii_> to judge them, you have to see them at that size
[10:08] <kwwii_> and look reall close
[10:09] <kwwii_> I toned down the saturation just for Hobsee
[10:09] <Lure> kwwii_: and me ;-)
[10:09] <kwwii_> Lure: yeah, but you were just saying that to please Hobsee :p
[10:09] <Lure> lol
[10:27] <imbrandon> wow mjg59 resigned from debian, after seeing that today and allee's link yesterday its very suprising to me , i thought debian/ubuntu relationship is/was better than that 
[10:28] <imbrandon> guess politics do suck
[10:28] <allee> imbrandon: URL?
[10:28] <imbrandon> allee http://mjg59.livejournal.com/66647.html
[10:28] <allee> imbrandon: thx
[10:29] <Lure> imbrandon: allee's link?
[10:29] <imbrandon> i dont have it anymore, allee will have to tell you or look in the logs
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <imbrandon> it realy is very suprising though, atleaste to me, maybe not for someone thats been arround longer in the debian world
[10:30] <imbrandon> i see no reason for fighting , bickering , etc, hell its all for the same cause
[10:30] <allee> imbrandon: about the link.  I just was amused to see that there booth stuff gets trained how to argue pro debian when confronted with why not debian
[10:31] <allee> Lure: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsFaqs  Search for ubuntu
[10:31] <imbrandon> allee yea , i was just suprised it was soo anti ubuntu not anti "other" linux
[10:31] <Lure> allee: interesting...
[10:31] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/whoa.png
[10:32] <nixternal> i have a new super battery
[10:32] <imbrandon> instead of saying how great debian is they said how bad ubuntu is, thats what i found amusing
[10:32] <allee> imbrandon: well, not so 'anti' IMHO, they don't say ubuntu is worse in this respect, they say debian is better in this and this respect ;)
[10:32] <Lure> imbrandon: I just think they get lot's of ubuntu questions and they need to respond
[10:33] <imbrandon> probably true
[10:33] <allee> only incorrectness is this reinstall every 6 month.  Should be every 18 month or 3 year for LTS
[10:33] <imbrandon> i found a few incorecctnesses
[10:34] <allee> imbrandon: example?
[10:34] <imbrandon> more secure
[10:34] <imbrandon> one ... me looks for others
[10:34] <imbrandon> More and better support
[10:35] <imbrandon> limited support
[10:35] <allee> imbrandon: well, everyone claim this for themself ;)  but I agree to call this wrong.   I mean wrong facts
[10:36] <imbrandon> continuity (upgrade without reboot, etc.)
[10:36] <imbrandon> see its all the same base
[10:36] <allee> imbrandon: also note: all 'against' ubuntu.  Not Kubuntu :)
[10:36] <imbrandon> alot of those claims they cant make without saying ubuntu does it also
[10:36] <imbrandon> allee heh yea
[10:36] <imbrandon> allee but kubuntu is under the ubuntu unbrella in most peoples eyes
[10:37] <kwwii_> so, has anyone tested the new icons for powermanager? (wish I could)
[10:37] <allee> imbrandon, Lure: but what is really worth reading is and following it IMHO is: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEventsHowto
[10:37] <imbrandon> yea they look a bit flat imo but otherwise good
[10:38] <kwwii_> perhaps for oxygen I will make the battery at a slight angle :-)
[10:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:39] <allee> imbrandon: I alwasy support good ideas!
[10:40] <imbrandon> yup yup heheh
[10:40] <kwwii_> ;-)
[10:41] <Lure> kwwii_: I am using new icons - much more pleasing for my eyes ;-)
[10:42] <jdong_> imbrandon: ooh, what for this time?
[10:42] <imbrandon> jdong konversation 1.0
[10:42] <Lure> kwwii_: yes, angle would be great ;-)
[10:42] <jdong_> cool
[10:42] <kwwii_> ;-)
[10:43] <imbrandon> kwwii_:  http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/panda_kiss.jpg
[10:44] <imbrandon> found that last night and had to laugh
[10:45] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:47] <allee> imbrandon: lol
[10:48] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:48] <kwwii_> so andreas lloyd is coming to my house on friday to do the anthropology thing
[10:48] <kwwii_> my wife thinks I am crazy
[10:48] <imbrandon> hehehe
[10:50] <_Sime> imbrandon: Yes, I've added another patch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
[10:50] <imbrandon> kwwii_: so he's gonna watch you on the computer 
[10:50] <_Sime> imbrandon: this time for the side bar in kde's file dialog.
[10:50] <imbrandon> _Sime: wow ok ;)
[10:51] <kwwii_> imbrandon: more like he will talk to me about how I use the computer while I show him examples 
[10:51] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ahh cool
[10:51] <kwwii_> JUST KIDDING
[10:51] <imbrandon> HAHAHHA
[10:51] <Lure> Sime: you rock - when I first so your blog, I though "bad that edgy cannot get this in", but now you see where we are ;-)
[10:52] <imbrandon> Lure: heh
[10:52] <kwwii_> I don't even own a bong
[10:52] <imbrandon> awwww
[10:52] <imbrandon> not used much anymore
[10:52] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[10:53] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[10:54] <imbrandon> man i used to LOVE to play with the bong, then while real "hungery feeling" still, grab the stero and goto the beach with my gf ( wife now ) and watch the stars , but alas that brought kids now i cant do that much anymore 
[10:54] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ^^ heheh
[10:54] <_Sime> Lure: thanks. :)
[10:54] <trappist> _Sime: where's your blog?
[10:55] <imbrandon> trappist: www.kdevelopers.com
[10:55] <imbrandon> trappist: www.kdedevelopers.com
[10:55] <Lure> trappist: start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
[10:55] <trappist> thanks
[10:56] <imbrandon> _Sime: ok got them all, i'll compile again in a minute
[10:56] <trappist> oh, you're simon edwards :)
[10:56] <imbrandon> lol
[10:57] <trappist> of kde-guidance fame I guess
[10:58] <imbrandon> that would be _Sime ;)
[10:58] <trappist> my first ever python patch (not a python fan) got into kde-guidance
[11:01] <imbrandon> _Sime: added some applied/pending to the patches so you would know where i'm at 
[11:01] <imbrandon> refresh the wiki you should see it
[11:03] <kwwii_> Riddell: I think instead of posting stuff on IRC, I'll send you an email every two days or so with changes...better to give me time to test it and make sure things are final
[11:03] <kwwii_> I can post the ideas to irc for everyone to see first, but you at least partially ignore them
[11:03] <imbrandon> hehe i was like awwww 
[11:03] <imbrandon> at first
[11:04] <kwwii_> no, I won't hide everything, I just won't listen to everyone :-)
[11:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:04] <imbrandon> you dont have to listen to me but i'll still give my 0.1c ;)
[11:04] <kwwii_> "you can't always get what you wa-hant"...sing with me
[11:04] <imbrandon> hahahahahah
[11:05] <Riddell> kwwii_: I dont  ignore them
[11:05] <Riddell> kwwii_: and Im more likely to pay attention to IRC than e-mail
[11:05] <imbrandon> thats why your the artist not me kwwii_ hehehe
[11:05] <kwwii_> Riddell: I felt kinda bad about the powermanager stuff today, as I posted things twice in one day
[11:05] <Riddell> kwwii_: since power manager is in KDE SVN you could modify them yourself
[11:06] <kwwii_> which module? kdenetwork or such?
[11:06] <kwwii_> atm I only have playground checked out
[11:06] <Riddell> kwwii_: trunk/playround/base/kde-guidance/powermanager
[11:06] <Riddell> how fortunate :)
[11:06] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:06] <kwwii_> cool, I'll put it there
[11:06] <kwwii_> ;-)
[11:07] <kwwii_> I just thought that we wanted to use this first, before suse puts it in opensuse (it is a bug in their system)
[11:08] <kwwii_> we could wait at least until the release to put it there, but I will leave that decision up to you
[11:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:09] <kwwii_> they asked me to make these a long time ago, after I left...I kinda waited until now for a reason
[11:10] <Riddell> I doubt they will, but they are already in SVN so cant stop them now
[11:11] <imbrandon> hrm kwwii_ where is opensuse's svn i wanna check if that kmenu stuff has hit it yet, he said a few days before release
[11:11] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:11] <imbrandon> and release is 7 days away
[11:11] <kwwii_> imbrandon: no idea, check the webpage
[11:11] <imbrandon> hehe okies, thought i could be lazy for a minute
[11:11] <kwwii_> :p
[11:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: they use forge.novell if it is publicly developed but I doubt it is, probably only in factory
[11:13] <_Sime> trappist: Yes.
[11:13] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea he said it was private atm but that it would hit the public svn a few days before the new opensuse on the 7th
[11:13] <_Sime> imbrandon: thanks
[11:13] <kwwii_> is everyone against rounding all window corners?
[11:13] <imbrandon> so its about time to start watching 
[11:14] <imbrandon> kwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats me
[11:14] <imbrandon> is that even possibly with the default kwin ?
[11:14] <imbrandon> i had to make a kwin engine to get royale theme to do it
[11:15] <kwwii_> imbrandon: how is that?
[11:15] <imbrandon> is what ?
[11:15] <kwwii_> rounded at the top but corners at the bottom?
[11:15] <kwwii_> [23:14]  <imbrandon> kwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats me
[11:15] <imbrandon> yea rounded on the top but flat on the bottom
[11:15] <kwwii_> I vote for rounded at the top at least
[11:16] <_Sime> rounded is good.
[11:16] <kwwii_> and somehow I would like to move teh buttons on the window deco down one pixel
[11:16] <kwwii_> anyone know how? :-)
[11:17] <imbrandon> kwwii_: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png  <- my royale conglomerate (sp? )
[11:19] <kwwii_> imbrandon: ok, you convinced me, let's use that...I send mark an email with your idea first though
[11:19] <kwwii_> s/I/I'll
[11:19] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[11:20] <Riddell> what is royale?
[11:20] <Lure> imbrandon: this looks nice (rounded only on top)
[11:21] <imbrandon> Riddell: the name of that xp theme i just shows a ss of
[11:21] <Riddell> right
[11:22] <imbrandon> but it is true xp/gnome/osx all use rounded tops
[11:22] <kwwii_> mark wants mac more than windows
[11:22] <imbrandon> it does look nice
[11:22] <imbrandon> well kde has always been more windows and gnome more mac ish
[11:22] <imbrandon> in my eyes
[11:22] <imbrandon> but i do have another theme that looks exactly like tiger on my lappy ;)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> true but mac is easier on the eyes 
[11:23] <Lure> imbrandon: just because of blue?
[11:23] <imbrandon> Lure: no becouse of the pannel layouts and behavures
[11:23] <imbrandon> like for instance
[11:23] <imbrandon> windows and kde configs, you hit <apply>
[11:23] <Lure> true - I like panel on top
[11:23] <imbrandon> gnaome , osx its instant
[11:23] <imbrandon> gnome*
[11:24] <kwwii_> we don't really want t[23:14]  <imbrandon> kwwii_: my 0.1c is to do it , i like it on osx/gnome/windows but thats meo copy anyone else, for everyones' info
[11:24] <imbrandon> and lots of little things like that
[11:24] <kwwii_> hehe, oops
[11:24] <kwwii_> nasty paste malfunction
[11:24] <imbrandon> no we gont wanna copy , but , well you dont , i like windows gui , but anyhow it does mean the majority like it
[11:25] <imbrandon> as far as the roundness
 why not add a windows theme and a mac os theme to the default theme list (possible? smart? good idea? eh i dont know but its an idea)
[11:25] <imbrandon> Lure: i have a webpage tucked somewhere i will have to find the url but there are actualy tons of similarities of windows/kde and gnome/osx 
[11:26] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: copyright stuff
[11:26] <imbrandon> Lure: but mostly all small stuff one wouldent notice right off liek the config dialog thing
[11:26] <imbrandon> i just talked about
[11:26] <gnomefreak> copyright even if taken from kde-look witha  gpl same on gnomes side
[11:27] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: you have to watch it , alot of the art on kde-look even if it says gpl is still screenshots or pixle for pixle windows
[11:27] <imbrandon> and thus not actualy true gpl
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:27] <gnomefreak> bad idea than
[11:28] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: thats one reason i dont make my royale public, its not based from the windows images but looks close enough MS would call on my door , and i dont wanna put up weith it
[11:28] <imbrandon> so i just give it to friends/family
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i understand
[11:28] <imbrandon> and leave it at that
[11:29] <imbrandon> and apple is even more strict about aqua tbh
[11:29] <imbrandon> heh
[11:30] <trappist> I would so take the heat if ms wanted to tangle over intellectual property issues because I have a blue-sky golf-course desktop background in my theme
[11:30] <imbrandon> they get all pissy about even screenshots at times
[11:30] <trappist> <-- nothing better to do
[11:30] <imbrandon> trappist: maybe, it is sad when ever someone sees a image of a blue sky and green grass they think "windows" heh
[11:31] <trappist> yeah, I think windows when I see rotten tree stumps protruding from barren soil ;)
[11:32] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Is that MacOSx in vmware running on Linux or Windows ?
[11:33] <imbrandon> i dont have windows
[11:34] <imbrandon> anywhere
[11:34] <imbrandon> i run all osx/linux
[11:34] <Hawkwind> So that's MacOSx running in vmware on Linux then I'd assume ?
[11:34] <imbrandon> where do you see that ?
[11:35] <Hawkwind> Nevermind.  I got screenshots mixed up
[11:35] <Hawkwind> Heh
[11:35] <imbrandon> i was gonna say all my osx shots arent in vmware
[11:35] <imbrandon> they are real apples ;)
[11:35] <trappist> did us.archive.ubuntu.com go down?
[11:35] <imbrandon> possibly us. if flakey, i never use it
[11:36] <ryanakca> I think so
[11:36] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: you mean http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/mol.png <-- thats mac-on-linux on my ppc lappy
[11:37] <imbrandon> and its kinda clearly kde ;)
[11:37] <Hawkwind> Yeah I saw that.  But I thought I had seen one of vmware running MacOSx but I didn't
[11:37] <imbrandon> nah i have mol and vnc screenshots to the mac
[11:37] <imbrandon> but no vmware ones
[11:39] <ryanakca> trappist: it's down from here http://pastebin.ca/155154
[11:40] <trappist> ryanakca: between that and lp I'm having a rough day
[11:40] <ryanakca> mol looks sweet..
[11:40] <ryanakca> imbrandon: lemme guess... only runs on ppc?
[11:41] <imbrandon> yup
[11:41] <ryanakca> meh
[11:41] <ryanakca> pitty
[11:42] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: Heh, I have the same reaction. 
[11:47] <ryanakca> What global notice was that?
[11:47] <imbrandon> the one about the gentoo release i imagine
[11:47] <ryanakca> hmmm
[11:47] <jdong|coreduo> wait, there's a new gentoo release?
[11:47] <imbrandon> no jdong|coreduo , no
[11:48] <imbrandon> stick with kubuntu ;)
[11:48] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: ktorrent and vmware are begging to be tested
[11:48] <imbrandon> be happy not to emerge world ;)
[11:48] <jdong|coreduo> and since you guys are complete failures at making working install cd's
[11:48] <jdong|coreduo> oh you guys are gonna start hating my humor fast :)
[11:48] <imbrandon> hahah well as i said they install ok for me , and there is knot 2 tomarrow ;)
[11:49] <ryanakca> hmm... interesting
[11:49] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: that's TOMORROW... as in more than 12 hours away
[11:49] <imbrandon> jdong|coreduo: haha nah most hate mine
[11:49] <ryanakca> jdong|coreduo: you don't want gentoo... the computer is YOUR slave, not vice versa 
[11:49] <imbrandon> uht oh .............
[11:50] <imbrandon> ryanakca: Riddell banned unicode smiles ;)
[11:50] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:50] <jdong|coreduo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main
[11:50] <jdong|coreduo> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main
[11:50] <jdong|coreduo> GEE, I wonder why things from universe don't build well :-/
[11:50] <kwwii_> anyone know how to move the text on the window decoration down a pixel?
[11:50] <kwwii_> or three
[11:50] <imbrandon> make the button images bigger but tranparent ?
[11:51] <imbrandon> on the top only
[11:51] <imbrandon> ohhh text
[11:51] <imbrandon> lol
[11:52] <imbrandon> no idea tbh
[11:52] <kwwii_> :p
[11:52] <imbrandon> kwin deco always is hard to get just right
[11:52] <kwwii_> well, you just need time to get into it
[11:53] <imbrandon> jdong|coreduo: ready for it ?
[11:53] <imbrandon> heh
[11:53] <jdong|coreduo> lol
[11:53] <imbrandon> hrm , brb i'm gonna go bug sho for a feature
[11:54] <jdong|coreduo> you guys don't hate ubuntu that much, do you?
[11:54] <jdong|coreduo> I swear, it's just for the compiz :P
[11:54] <imbrandon> compiz works just fine in kde ;)
[11:54] <imbrandon> trust me i'm running it on my amd64
[11:56] <imbrandon> but i imagine your using quinns debs that are kinda hackish if you look at them, not realy safe at all and she dosent compnotize her repo so it overides other things too
[11:56] <imbrandon> the ones in edgy are much better and have quinns patches ;)
[11:56] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: yeah, I'm using quinn debs... guilty as charged
[11:56] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: do I need to paste my rant about install CD's again? ;)
[11:57] <imbrandon> hahah do i need to sick Seveas on you about quinns repos on a production box no less thats your testing backports on
[11:57] <imbrandon> hehehe
[11:57] <jdong|coreduo> lol, this box is not production by any means
[11:57] <jdong|coreduo> and I've accepted the risk to play with xgl on this box
[11:58] <imbrandon> well yea but i'm serouis look at all the other debs she overites with bad versioning in her repos
[11:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:58] <imbrandon> alot have zero to do with xgl
[11:58] <Seveas> bad versioning is the last of the problems
[11:58] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: I've complained about it before :-/
[11:58] <Seveas> the things are buggy as hell
[11:58] <imbrandon> heh he awakens
[11:58] <Seveas> of course
[11:59] <jdong|coreduo> well, it satisfies my xgl curiousity for now :)
[11:59] <Seveas> I'm bing highlighted by some fool
[11:59] <imbrandon> heh 
[11:59] <jdong|coreduo> and I'm not gonna come bugging any devs for things I break on my system
[11:59] <jdong|coreduo> so there
[11:59] <imbrandon> LOL
[12:00] <imbrandon> oh man i'm out of mt dew , and i cant get to the store till in the morning
[12:00] <jdong|coreduo> must've messed around with my system for 4 hours before realizing it was omething else
[12:00] <nixternal> ubuntu wiki == blah
[12:00] <Seveas> blahternal
[12:00] <Seveas> nixterblah
[12:00] <imbrandon> heh
[12:00] <nixternal> oh yah
[12:01] <Seveas> ROFL
[12:01] <nixterblah> muhaha
[12:01] <imbrandon> oh Seveas can i make a feature request for falcon 2.0 without going through LP pwease 
[12:01] <imbrandon> heh
[12:02] <imbrandon> the ability to make meta-components that work kinda like "all" but only have select groups in it , like i can make all my <app>-nightly part of a "nightly" meta group
[12:02] <imbrandon> Seveas: ^
[12:04] <imbrandon> understand what i am asking or am i unclear hehehe
[12:04] <imbrandon> i never know
[12:04] <Seveas> imbrandon, you'll have to go through lp for that cause a) it's non-trivial and b) I'll forget it if you don't file it
[12:04] <imbrandon> heh okies
[12:05] <imbrandon> yea thts why i said 2.0 not 1.5.5 ;)
[12:05] <imbrandon> heh
[12:05] <Seveas> I've thought about it before and with th 2.0 scanning code it's definitly possible
[12:05] <imbrandon> ok i'll go file a wishlist bug in a minute, is that clear enough for you to rember 
[12:06] <imbrandon> for now i trick it by making symlinks in the pool dir but that takes more bandwidth / diskspace hehehe