[12:08] <andreasn> gnome-games might need some new graphics
[12:10] <PingunZ> andreasn, I was actually more asking what programs / guides / .. to use. I want to learn using free software instead of photoshop.
[12:10] <andreasn> PingunZ: ah, I see
[12:10] <PingunZ> Learn making gtk themes and metacity's :)
[12:10] <PingunZ> Bah, I'm still young so I have got plenty of time -_-
[12:10] <andreasn> PingunZ: have you given Inkscape a try?
[12:11] <PingunZ> Not really
[12:11] <andreasn> you should try it out, it's really
[12:11] <andreasn> nice
[12:11] <PingunZ> And what about XaraLX ?
[12:13] <andreasn> I haven't tried it, but the developers seems like nice guys
[12:14] <PingunZ> So I start using inkscape and xaraLX, what is next :)
[12:14] <PingunZ> I want to be able to make art like you guys do :)
[12:15] <andreasn> read some tutorials or create something nice you feel is needed
[12:15] <andreasn> like new stuff for gnome-games (or whatever you pick)
[12:16] <andreasn> and ask someone for advice when you feel you need help
[12:16] <andreasn> and then just draw, draw, draw
[12:16] <andreasn> :)
[12:16] <PingunZ> Ok, so once I'm able to use these programs, I learn making metacity/gtk themes ?
[12:17] <andreasn> no, that is good for doing mockups and graphics
[12:18] <andreasn> I think there are some good tutorials on how to do metacity themes somewhere
[12:18] <PingunZ> dont search the link now
[12:18] <andreasn> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html
[12:18] <PingunZ> I'll ask them once I'm a inkscape-xaralx-gimp master :)
[12:19] <andreasn> you can also visit #gnome-art, there are some people who done a metacity-theme or two in their days in there
[12:20] <PingunZ> ok
[12:20] <PingunZ> well, I'm going for a nap. bye all
[03:12] <troy_s> ping
[03:13] <troy_s> who lives?
[10:50] <PingunZ> Hmm, what should I learn first ? Inkscape, Gimp or XaraLX ?
[10:51] <Madpilot> Inkscape
[10:51] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[10:52] <Madpilot> then Gimp, which frankly has an awful UI.
[10:52] <Madpilot> Inkscape's UI rocks
[10:52] <PingunZ> I'll make a scalable Tux then :)
[10:52] <PingunZ> I'm used to photoshop
[10:52] <PingunZ> But I want to use free software :)
[10:52] <Madpilot> Very cool Inkscape textbook online: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/
[10:53] <Madpilot> Also, Iinkscape's built-in help & tutorials are first-rate
[10:53] <PingunZ> How long does it take to learn inkscaping if you know your way around in photoshop ?
[10:53] <kwwii_> inkscape is pure vector, photoshop is a bitmap program
[10:53] <kwwii_> so it might take a while
[10:53] <Madpilot> not long, it's actually a much simpler program, but you can do stuff easily in it that's very hard/impossible in PS or GIMP
[10:53] <PingunZ> A while : a week, a month, a year ?
[10:54] <kwwii_> but if you are used to adobe illustrator, it isn't too hard to change
[10:54] <PingunZ> Only photoshop ..
[10:55] <PingunZ> I learned a LOT of photoshop by following crystalxp.net 's howto for making a Tux.
[10:56] <Madpilot> PingunZ, there's a very good inkscape-users mailing list
[10:56] <PingunZ> Madpilot: I get enough mail IMO :)
[10:56] <Madpilot> heh, I know the feeling.
[10:57] <PingunZ> Gnome-art and Ubuntu-art is kinda enough for me.
[10:57] <Madpilot> inkscape-users isn't very busy, and all the inkscape devs post there too, which is nice
[10:57] <PingunZ> Well I going to unsubcribe gnome-art anyway when their splash is done.
[11:06] <PingunZ> inkscape is a wierd program.
[11:06] <Madpilot> yes, but in a good way. :)
[11:06] <Madpilot> just keep reminding yourself that it's **not** Photoshop ;)
[11:07] <lapo> hi
[11:07] <PingunZ> hey lapo
[11:07] <Madpilot> hi lapo
[11:07] <PingunZ> Well madpilot, I noticed that :D Its nice, probably better then photoshop. I just have to learn use it :)
[11:07] <lapo> ciao PingunZ, Madpilot
[11:08] <Madpilot> PingunZ, ya, go thru the tutorial exercises in that tavmjong.free.fr link I gave you, they helped me a lot to get a good grasp on what Inkscape is capable of
[11:11] <PingunZ> Madpilot: I'm doing that now.
[11:11] <PingunZ> The problem is that it is a HUGE book :)
[11:12] <PingunZ> But its worth it.
[11:17] <Madpilot> skip right to the example/tutorial section, and refer back to the rest of the thing as needed
[11:18] <PingunZ> I'm making the swedish flag now -_-
[11:31] <fschoep> cbx33: ping
[11:32] <PingunZ> hey fschoep
[11:32] <fschoep> Hi PingunZ
[11:38] <fschoep> brb
[11:38] <cbx33> fschoep: pong
[11:38] <cbx33> been waiting for your call bud :p
[11:38] <cbx33> got a pm window all ready :p
[11:38] <PingunZ> cbx33: he's gone ;)
[11:39] <cbx33> oh shute
[11:39] <cbx33> dang it dang it
[11:39] <cbx33> I turn away fro 5 seconds
[11:39] <PingunZ> :)
[11:39] <cbx33> if hew comes back
[11:40] <cbx33> and I don't immediately reply....tell him I will be back
[11:40] <PingunZ> ok ;)
[11:42] <cbx33> i can't beleive I missed him
[11:42] <PingunZ> He'll be right back he said.
[11:46] <cbx33> is inkscape really that good iyho PingunZ ?
[11:46] <PingunZ> Not yet :)
[11:47] <cbx33> i used to run ps6.0 under wine
[11:47] <PingunZ> cbx33: Are you on photoshop too ?
[11:47] <cbx33> fschoep: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:47] <fschoep> I'm back
[11:47] <cbx33> PingunZ: but it's broken under dapper :(
[11:47] <fschoep> Hey cbx33, sorry I just missed you
[11:47] <cbx33> sorry I missed you
[11:47] <PingunZ> lol
[11:47] <fschoep> No problem, got some time?
[11:47] <cbx33> I have a pm ready
[11:47] <cbx33> PingunZ: what about adjustment layers?
[11:48] <fschoep> OK, let's go then (I don't see the PM yet)
[11:48] <PingunZ> cbx33: in photoshop or inkscape ?
[11:48] <cbx33> inkscape
[11:48] <PingunZ> cbx33: I started inkscape 15 minutes ago :)
[11:48] <cbx33> oh
[11:48] <cbx33> heheheh
[11:48] <cbx33> ok np
[11:49] <PingunZ> I'm kinda learning it :D
[11:50] <PingunZ> He's not online on msn either..
[11:50] <PingunZ> Oh, sorry wrong channel
[11:50] <PingunZ> bah
[12:09] <PingunZ> Wohoo, I draw a swedish flag in inkscape -_-
[12:09] <PingunZ> fschoep: Can I pm you about the Forum-idea ?
[12:09] <fschoep> PingunZ: sure, I might reply slower than usual but go ahead
[12:10] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[12:21] <PingunZ> ping troy_s
[12:30] <PingunZ> hey andreasn
[12:30] <andreasn> hi PingunZ
[02:22] <troy_s> go PingunZ --
[02:23] <troy_s> not much time here this morning.
[02:23] <PingunZ> troy_s: can I pm you about the Forum Idea -- I heard you don't like it at all
[02:31] <troy_s> not that i don't like it at all...
[02:31] <troy_s> let me stress that.
[02:31] <troy_s> I have used forums and all before, but right now, with our current state of artwork team
[02:31] <troy_s> i think it is most useful to apply occkham's razor
[02:31] <troy_s> while trying to integrate into the rest of the Ubuntu development team as much as possible.
[02:32] <troy_s> Does that make sense PingunZ?
[02:32] <PingunZ> troy_s: what does occham's razor mean ?
[02:33] <troy_s> Good Google term for you I suppose ;)
[02:33] <troy_s> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
[02:34] <troy_s> Ockham's Occam etc.
[02:36] <PingunZ> troy_s: Is it ok if I pm you about it ?
[02:39] <troy_s> of course pingunz
[02:40] <PingunZ> ok