[12:14] <RichEd> want it ?
[12:14] <mhz> RichEd: 19 UTC?
[12:14] <cbx33> RichEd, yes please
[12:14] <cbx33> you know my addy
[12:14] <RichEd> sunday 19 UTC ... done ...
[12:14] <RichEd> cbx33: sure do :)
[12:14] <cbx33> RichEd, about our meeting
[12:15] <mhz> RichEd: thx
[12:15] <RichEd> yes cbx33 
[12:15] <cbx33> monday, is gonabe difficult.....as it's the first proper day back at school
[12:15] <RichEd> toosday works as well
[12:15] <cbx33> shoud be better
[12:19] <RichEd> cbx33: minutes sent - now with added free seconds !
[12:19] <cbx33> ooooh thanx
[12:19] <cbx33> nn RichEd 
[12:20] <RichEd> bye all
[12:22] <mhz> nn RichEd 
[12:23] <cbx33> ogra, is the badly hacked code mine?
[12:23] <cbx33> hehehahah
[12:24] <cbx33> i hope to have at least some time to try to fix up pessulus tomorrow
[12:28] <cbx33> i'm over and out guys
[12:28] <cbx33> nn everyone
[01:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you around?
[01:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:42] <Burgwork> want to do some more packaging?
[01:42] <LaserJock> depends :-)
[01:43] <Burgwork> sadly no pay this time, but the carrot is that it is open source and benefit edubuntu
[01:44] <LaserJock> ah, well that sounds better
[01:44] <LaserJock> what's the app?
[01:45] <Burgwork> pre-book
[01:45] <Burgwork> http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/PreBook
[01:46] <Burgwork> I am currently explaining why COPYRIGHT files are a good thing to the lead developer, so I can get you a tarball, but it wouldn't be able to be uploaded until I fix that issue
[01:47] <LaserJock> heh
[01:48] <LaserJock> well, I'm pretty busy
[01:49] <LaserJock> I really can't guarantee anything at this point
[01:49] <Burgwork> no worries
[01:50] <LaserJock> it's just hard to tell
[01:50] <LaserJock> if it was an easy package I'd so fine
[01:50] <LaserJock> but I have a tendency to underestimate time commitments and then I get in trouble
[01:50] <LaserJock> and I really would like to work on the packaging guide before the doc freeze :-)
[01:51] <LaserJock> I wouldn't mind reviewing or giving tips for somebody here who wants to get their feet wet though ;-)
[01:53] <Burgwork> sounds good
[01:53] <Burgwork> this is a server, so it might be fun
[01:54] <LaserJock> I'd put it out on -motu perhaps, sometimes MOTU Hopefuls are looking for a package to do
[01:54] <Burgwork> will do
[01:54] <LaserJock> looks like it would be a good addition to Edubuntu
[01:56] <Burgwork> wait until you see the language it is written in ;)
[01:56] <LaserJock> what?
[01:57] <Burgwork> tcl
[01:57] <Burgwork> on top of aolserver
[01:57] <LaserJock> oh my
[01:57] <Burgwork> indeed
[02:48] <LaserJock> ogra: scribus seems to be fixed with latest updates, easy fix :-)
[03:43] <Burgundavia> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server
[04:12] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: cool
[04:33] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:33] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[04:36] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[08:23] <toosa> hi !
[08:24] <toosa> i still can connect to HP laserjet 1000, is that any clue or documents for solving this problem ?
[08:51] <juliux> morning
[09:03] <toosa> afternoon :)
[09:05] <RichEd> greetz
[09:05] <RichEd> juliux: you were asking about Edgy CDs release ?
[09:05] <juliux> RichEd, yes
 marilize: In your past experience, what is the approximate time between release of a new version by the technical team and CD's being pressed & printed and ready to ship ?
 2-3 weeks
[09:06] <juliux> RichEd, thxs
[09:06] <juliux> RichEd, i think we have in germany a sponsor for edgy dvds ;)
[09:06] <juliux> RichEd, edubuntu only
[09:06] <RichEd> So that's to get to shipit. Add 2 weeks minimum to get to you. I checked with JaneW last night, and there is a wait period for emergency fixes prior to pressing..
[09:07] <RichEd> But the image will be on line ready for download on release day. So you can burn yourself.
[09:08] <toosa> Hi RichEd :)
[09:08] <RichEd> note that ogra has got the image down to CD side.
[09:08] <RichEd> toosa !
[09:09] <toosa> the seminar is delayed :(
[09:09] <juliux> RichEd, i think we will burn dvds not cds
[09:09] <RichEd> Because there is a big debate of CD vd DVS in school equipment ...
[09:09] <RichEd> DVD  :P
[09:09] <toosa> but i think it is good also, hope that the CDs will arrive before that.
[09:09] <toosa> brb
[09:10] <juliux> RichEd, we will have professional dvds and selfmade cds ,)
[09:11] <RichEd> toosa: I checked with Mariliize (Shipit) if you have a rush need for CD's next time, you need to add comments on the web application ... if the justificatin is good, they upgrade the request from snail mail to courier
[09:14] <RichEd> Cool juliux :) We are busy with 1 year planning for divisions. I need to drill down into specifics next week. Can you & I have a .ge chat some time then ?
[09:15] <juliux> RichEd, a .ge chat ???
[09:15] <RichEd> .ch sorry ... chermany, not georgia :)
[09:15] <toosa> I did
[09:15] <juliux> RichEd, germany is .de ;)
[09:15] <RichEd> midnight meetings are not good for the brain
[09:15] <RichEd> good toosa :)
[09:16] <RichEd> And same comment to you, re indonesia ... Without the country abbreviation mistakes.
[09:18] <RichEd> If we can get your territories onto the high level plan, with apropriate time schedules, I can work towards focused support & plan a visit in the next 12 moths to conincide with an apropriate event or meeting..
[09:18] <juliux> RichEd, sure we can have .de meeting ;)
[09:19] <juliux> RichEd, its up to you, you are the busy men 
[09:19] <RichEd> Great. I'll put it in as an action: "Discuss territory with Education Community Lead to plan 1 year outlook."
[09:20] <juliux> RichEd, the best thing is if we can do it this week or after the 10.11
[09:20] <juliux> RichEd, the best thing is if we can do it this week or after the 10.9
[09:21] <juliux> RichEd, because i am working next weekend and then i move into my flat
[09:22] <RichEd> After the 10 Sept is better ... you suggest a date & time. I'll book it in my calendar now, and then will email you a few days before.
[09:24] <RichEd> I'll ask you a few homework questions ... background to yourself, territory & events upcoming ... nothing too heavy.
[09:24] <juliux> RichEd, 12.11 befor the cc meeting ??
[09:24] <cbx33> Interrogation !!!
[09:25] <RichEd> cee bee ex thirsty three !
[09:25] <cbx33> heeyyy Mr RichEd dude !
[09:25] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[09:27] <cbx33> nooooo double the interrogation 1
[09:28] <cbx33> phew
[09:29] <RichEd> damn adsl reset ... grumble
[09:29] <juliux> RichEd, befor the cc meeting is not good?
[09:29] <cbx33> :D - New UbuntuSounds should be in Knot-3 :D
[09:29] <RichEd> Who else here is on ADSL ? Does your provider reset you once a day ? 4-kin annoying
[09:30] <cbx33> RichEd: nope
[09:30] <cbx33> not that I know of
[09:30] <juliux> RichEd, yes german telecom disconnect you every 24h
[09:30] <juliux> RichEd, and here you get an new ip address
[09:30] <RichEd> Our telco does it (1) to check bandwidth capping limits, and (2) to prevent you from hosting servers
[09:31] <RichEd> juliux: same here = point (2)
[09:31] <cbx33> sorry guys that sux :p
[09:31] <RichEd> but WHY do they need to do it at 9:15 am, peak work time !
[09:32] <cbx33> heh
[09:32] <RichEd> okay juliux ... back to the meeting
[09:32] <cbx33> you can vent here RichEd we all do it from time to time :p
[09:32] <juliux> RichEd, oh here it is 24h after your login so if you login at 2:00 the disconnect you at 2:00
[09:33] <RichEd> Good point. Maybe I should disconnect voluntarily at 10:00 pm tongiht to see if it shifts the time.
[09:33] <RichEd> juliux: We're now on 31/09 August. You suggested "12.11 befor the cc meeting " That's November ... is that what you meant ?
[09:34] <juliux> RichEd, i mean 12.9 sorry
[09:34] <RichEd> That's 2 weeks ago :) lets use letters instead of numbers ... 12 Sept ?
[09:35] <juliux> ja 12 Sept
[09:35] <RichEd> Thanks.
[09:35] <RichEd> Will confirm via email today.
[09:35] <juliux> ok
[09:35] <juliux> but i dont know the time for cc meeting
[09:35] <RichEd> cbx33: are you willing to help me with a UK territory plan ?
[09:35] <cbx33> RichEd: definitely
[09:35] <RichEd> juliux: we can fix a time closer to the day.
[09:36] <juliux> RichEd, time is up to you, i hope i have internet on my new flat, if not i am in my old one ;)
[09:37] <cbx33> RichEd: what did you have in mind
[09:37] <juliux> cbx33, that is a good point 
[09:38] <RichEd> cbx33: let's go off to a window ... don't want to repeat it all here again ... Juliux, I'll email you and cbx33 with outline begore the end of the day
[09:39] <juliux> RichEd, thxs
[09:39] <RichEd> before ... not begore
[09:39] <cbx33> ok sure
[09:39] <cbx33> phew I didn't know what begore meant :p
[10:51] <RichEd> hi pips ... email sent as promised :)
[10:52] <highvoltage> RichEd: :)
[10:52] <cbx33> RichEd: what do you think the chances are of us having some hardware at BETT?
[10:52] <cbx33> if we manage to hijack the FSF stand
[10:52] <RichEd> hi highvoltage ...
[10:53] <RichEd> cbx33: one step at a time :) for each of my hundred legs ... or else I will fall over :)
[10:53] <cbx33> sorry RichEd, i got over excited again
[10:58] <RichEd> cbx33: Or else I forget things, like get around to pressing send on the emails I compose ... pips1 & highvoltage ... web site email now actually sent :)
[10:59] <cbx33> heheh
[11:00] <cbx33> my deepest apologies RichEd 
[11:03] <pips1> Hi RichEd, got your mail, thanks
[11:03] <RichEd> pips1: So for the next week or so, just dig around the education site areas and form some opinions ideas etc. We'll have a Planning & Revision meeting within the next 2 weeks. Can discuss at the next #edubuntu meeting to see who wants to participate.
[11:04] <RichEd> Jono Bacon will be on board by then.
[11:04] <RichEd> Thanks for your offer to help. We all appreciate it.
[11:04] <pips1> np
[11:05] <cbx33> RichEd: how much involvement with edubutu do you see Jono having?
[11:06] <pips1> I'll try to research what is out there already, sites related to education and floss... we can link to good resources, and I need to get an idea what would suit our site best content-wise, besides the obvious stuff
[11:06] <RichEd> my speculation: Jono is Community for Canonical. We are a significant focus community. We are getting him involved as he starts, before he is swamped. He has a personal passion for Education.
[11:06] <cbx33> ogra: did you hear I could save 2 Mb :p
[11:07] <ogra> great
[11:07] <cbx33> RichEd: excellent, I've spoken to him quite a few times
[11:07] <RichEd> So, cbx33, I would be disappointed with anything less than 20% of his time & headspace.
[11:07] <ogra> i just dropped our compiler environment :/
[11:07] <willvdl> hey there. what you ditching?
[11:07] <cbx33> ogra: the startup sounds....
[11:07] <ogra> ah, cool !
[11:07] <cbx33> how hard to make the system play oggs
[11:07] <cbx33> and not bloody wavs !
[11:07] <ogra> not at all 
[11:08] <ogra> ogg wourks out of the box in every *buntu
[11:08] <cbx33> my sounds are like 300Kb
[11:08] <cbx33> is it possible to talk to someone about this
[11:08] <ogra> cool
[11:08] <cbx33> then we could switch all sounds to ogg
[11:08] <ogra> post to ubuntu-devel
[11:08] <cbx33> ok
[11:08] <cbx33> will do
[11:08] <ogra> so it can get discussed
[11:08] <ogra> and seb128 should be able to tell you if the gnome backend does it out of the box
[11:09] <ogra> i know all gstreamer apps can play ogg ...
[11:09] <ogra> but i'm not sure the system sounds are switched to gstreamer yet
[11:09] <RichEd> pips1: Great. Form your best opinion. We add to that: 1) Planning Objectives 2) Will's document study (includes case studies and advocacy via Pete) 3) Our community input 4) Jono comunity input & fit with Ubuntu
[11:09] <ogra> cbx33, i meant the mailing list
[11:09] <ogra> not the channel :)
[11:10] <cbx33> oh
[11:10] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[11:10] <cbx33> I'll compose a post
[11:10] <ogra> :)
[11:10] <cbx33> stupid me! 
[11:10] <ogra> the air is burning in -devel atm ... 
[11:10] <ogra> all are busy with the CD stuff
[11:11] <cbx33> ok
[11:11] <cbx33> my new sounds should be on knot 3
[11:11] <cbx33> ;)
[11:11] <ogra> so its probalbly not the best time to come up with it there ...
[11:11] <ogra> cool
[11:11] <cbx33> ok
[11:11] <ogra> lets see if we can get SCP in there as well ;)
[11:11] <cbx33> ogra: I should hopefully have something to show for SCP today on the pessulus side
[11:11] <cbx33> ogra: that'd be cool
[11:11] <RichEd> pips1: And finally, I have plans to drill into 6 territories with local community assistance. Region overview, (Ed)ubuntu success, conferences, projects ... which will also move into a regular news update.
[11:12] <pips1> RichEd so Will (aka willvdl ?) preparing a document? 
[11:12] <cbx33> ogra: will you have anytime later for SCP
[11:12] <ogra> well, we need to pass pitti ... and i know i did some quick hacks he doesnt like ... so i need to go over the code beforwe
[11:12] <pips1> RichEd re 6 territories sounds great
[11:12] <cbx33> ogra: oh I thought you were referring to my code 
[11:12] <cbx33> I saw the meeting log 
[11:12] <cbx33> hehehe
[11:12] <cbx33> where is my hug !!!!
[11:12] <RichEd> will has already done a high level ... it is a formalised approach to what we need for marketing ... paper & electronic ... audience and objective
[11:12] <ogra> cbx33, you can look yourself, if you find any os.system calls etc
[11:13] <willvdl> pipsl: bit more high level than that
[11:13] <cbx33> ogra: sure I'll check that out
[11:13] <ogra> they need to be replaced with stuff from subprocess
[11:13] <cbx33> ahhh
[11:13] <cbx33> ok
[11:13] <cbx33> pessulus is so confusing
[11:13] <ogra> subprocess has a very good documentation on how to replace that ...
[11:13] <cbx33> It's because it's all properly written
[11:13] <ogra> you can just copy and paste from it ;)
[11:13] <cbx33> ogra: I have implemented subprocess before
[11:14] <pips1> willvdl: it's actually pips1 <-- with number '1' rather than letter 'L' ;-) 
[11:14] <cbx33> ogra: I'll have about 3 hours today to work on it
[11:14] <ogra> for quick hacked code where i want to see the result immediately i often do that ... (using system or os.popen) but its totally not appropriate for production code
[11:14] <willvdl> when I get back I can get cracking on using the iCommunity as a basis for templates, studies etc.
[11:14] <willvdl> pips1: thanks :)
[11:14] <cbx33> ogra: sure I see
[11:15] <pips1> willvdl: i would have preferred pips really but it was taken already ;-)
[11:15] <cbx33> ogra: the pessulus code requires the use of goption
[11:15] <RichEd> pips1: f.y.i. Germany (Juliux ) + UK (cbx33) + Philippines + (jsgotangco) + Indonesia (Toosa) + Latin America (mhz) + China & SE Asia (Amy Jiang) + Africa (Will)
[11:15] <cbx33> which is totally undocumented in python
[11:15] <cbx33> and very minimal in C
[11:15] <cbx33> which is odd as gnome adopted it as a replacement to popt
[11:15] <RichEd> which makes lucky number 7 :)
[11:16] <pips1> so RichEd, can you say more about the 6 territories now, or will you do that in an official meeting?
[11:16] <ogra> goption ? 
[11:16] <ogra> what for ? 
[11:16] <cbx33> handling the command line options
[11:16] <cbx33> vuntz requested I use it
[11:16] <ogra> well
[11:16] <ogra> for the SCP calls ? 
[11:16] <cbx33> there being no actual support in the for command line options as it is
[11:16] <pips1> RichEd: ah, sorry didn't see your country listing ;-D
[11:16] <ogra> does he know SCP is python ? 
[11:16] <cbx33> so I'm writing it from scratch
[11:16] <cbx33> I believe so
[11:16] <ogra> oh, you mean you need to patch pessulus
[11:16] <cbx33> ogra: no it's so we can do
[11:17] <cbx33> pessulus --key blah:blah:/home/pete/blah
[11:17] <cbx33> yesh
[11:17] <ogra> ah
[11:17] <ogra> k
[11:17] <cbx33> which I'm a little at a loss on....but I think I'm getting there
[11:17] <ogra> thats different ... i thought he wanted you to use goption in SCP
[11:17] <ogra> that would be silly
[11:17] <cbx33> no
[11:17] <cbx33> we don;t need command lien options yet
[11:18] <ogra> just look at code that uses it ;)
[11:18] <cbx33> I couldn't actually compile pessulus so I had to hack it up a bit
[11:18] <RichEd> pips1: very simple for now ... in the week of 11-15 september, the plan is for me to spend an hour with each of the above people, mapping out the territory, very high level view ... existing projects, nice stories, upcoming events ... etc.
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra: easier said than done
[11:18] <pips1> RichEd: I haven't met Toosa and Amy Jiang yet, and I only met willvdl now :-)
[11:18] <cbx33> I havn't really found much
[11:19] <RichEd> And we will then keep this view updated on a regular reportback basis. monthly report into #edubuntu meeting, add news to newsletter, and update web site region
[11:19] <pips1> RichEd: by "meet" I meant here on IRC
[11:19] <ogra> cbx33, apt-get source gnome-session
[11:19] <RichEd> We'll try to develop a region template, so if other community people are keen, they can take a lead for their own locality
[11:20] <ogra> haha
[11:20] <ogra> nautilus-2.15.91/ChangeLog:     Convert from popt to goption.
[11:20] <cbx33> is that in python
[11:20] <ogra> nope
[11:20] <RichEd> The initial 6 are chosen from the keen participants on this channel ... jsgotangco, mhz, cbx33, juliux
[11:20] <RichEd> And Will is official Africa Canonical Employee ...
[11:21] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[11:21] <RichEd> And AmyJ is SE Asia Canonical OEM representative 
[11:23] <ogra> heh, edubuntu OEM would be funny
[11:23] <RichEd> China is interesting, the numbers are just of such a different order of scale :) When someone talks about 400,000 Ubuntu OEM desktops already delivered it is a bit numbing.
[11:24] <ogra> "get your preinstalled classroom server now !"
[11:24] <RichEd> wun size fit all ! leady to use !
[11:25] <cbx33> ogra: so later part of today....ie about 16:00 UTC
[11:25] <cbx33> would you have a little SCP time?
[11:25] <cbx33> just for discussion
[11:25] <ogra> thats tight ... we have dev meeting at 15:00
[11:26] <cbx33> what about now?
[11:26] <ogra> so i might be busy there still at 16:00
[11:26] <RichEd> cbx33: where did you mention the BETT FSS stand ... in channel or email ...
[11:26] <cbx33> hmm....FSF in channel I think
[11:26] <RichEd> contact details for anyone on hand ?
[11:26] <cbx33> I'll have a look
[11:26] <cbx33> hang on
[11:28] <RichEd> tx
[11:30] <pips1> so to summarize, we will have at least a dozen regular contributers to the website! great!
[11:32] <pips1> 7 regions, ogra, rodarvus, RichEd, jono and me
[11:32] <pips1> :-)
[11:32] <cbx33> pips1: cool
[11:33] <RichEd> good ... nothing keeps interest up in the end audience as much as a regular site update, and news push
[11:33] <cbx33> RichEd: totally
[11:33] <pips1> yep
[11:34] <RichEd> By this I mean the education audience in the wings, lurking and observing, waiting to jump in when they feel ready.
[11:34] <pips1> i hope we can get a nice buzz going, rather than just some static info
[11:34] <RichEd> And human news makes them feel warm & fuzzy, and activity makes them feel confident.
[11:42] <cbx33> ahhh warm and fuzzy !
[11:42] <cbx33> :p
[11:48] <pips1> with Drupal as WCMS we really have the right to to build a great community website... besides the regular content (welcome, about, screenshots, download, ...) we can add lots of fun dynamic stuff: a.) news items with commenting (blog-like), b.) community discussion and help (forum-like), c.) social bookmarking (i.e. tagging and commenting links), and d.) possibly discussing and even rating (?) educational applications
[11:48] <toosa> I need to go home ... bye folks :) see u tom, thx RichEd.
[11:48] <pips1> s/right/right tool/
[11:48] <RichEd> toosa ... will send you an email ...
[11:49] <toosa> thanks RichEd
[11:49] <RichEd> pips1: b) and d) 100's ... need to get community humming in a framework we manage !
[11:50] <RichEd> peer support ... ( not at the technical level ... that makes ogra edgy ;) but biology teachers helping biology teachers with content and application ragtings
[11:51] <RichEd> ragtings = tagged ratings ;P
[11:51] <ogra> peer support is fine as long as a knowing person observes it
[11:51] <pips1> a) and c) is stuff that the core website contributers can *push*. b) and d) is about community interaction
[11:51] <ogra> (on a tech level)
[11:51] <RichEd> yay ! ogra and I are on the same virtual page !
[11:52] <cbx33> hehe
[11:52] <RichEd> pips1: and we want to get our site listed on drupal as a show site
[11:52] <cbx33> RichEd: think this is a good time to think about Live Support?  hahehahahaha
[11:52] <pips1> ogra: re knowing person observing: I agree. it problematic to scale that well, though
[11:52] <cbx33> RichEd: nice idea
[11:52] <ogra> pips1, yes, sadly
[11:53] <RichEd> techncial will be a peer-phase 2 ... we can start with peer-content advisory ... after all, they are the experts there
[11:54] <RichEd> when we win content advisory community energy, technically minded people will float to the top of our attention
[11:54] <RichEd> so 1) increase the contributor audience 2) filter the bigger ponf
[11:54] <RichEd> easier tham skilling up a limited resource pool
[11:54] <RichEd> *bigger pond
[11:55] <RichEd> cbx33: this is a good time to send me FSF stand info ... before it falls out the back of my head !
[11:55] <pips1> ogra: drupal has features / tools that help (comments can be reviewed first, spam protection, etc) ... but in the end it's about people contributing their time and knowledge. But we aren't there yet. I'd be very happy if we get a nice group that contribute regularly. :-)
[11:56] <cbx33> I'm trying to find the contact info
[11:56] <cbx33> don't worry I won;t let you forget
[11:56] <cbx33> pips1: I'd be interested in that
[11:56] <cbx33> oh wait...I'm already on the list
[11:56] <cbx33> :p
[11:57] <pips1> cbx33: :)
[12:01] <pips1> hmm, RichEd you are making my little grey braincells go to work ;-)
[12:01] <cbx33> I think my braincells are woring too much
[12:01] <cbx33> I have to goto the doctor :(
[12:02] <pips1> edubuntu, at the moment, is primarily providing a technical solution, i.e. a toolbox, rather than content...
[12:02] <cbx33> I hope the doctor doesn't way stop working as much as I do
[12:03] <cbx33> my problem is as soon as I'm not "actively" doing anything......
[12:03] <pips1> so RichEd, how do you see that we will initially get the peer-content advisory going?
[12:03] <cbx33> like eating, working on the computer.
[12:03] <RichEd> pips1: edubuntu must provide a technical solution. edubuntu must enable content. in that order, but both significant part of the solution
[12:03] <cbx33> I am likely to fall asleep
[12:03] <cbx33> watching a film....that I really want to watch.....50/50 chance I'll be asleep by half way through
[12:04] <cbx33> I can even fall asleeep while talking to someone while catching a lift in their car
[12:04] <RichEd> pips1: let me give you a great article by jono ... not a direct answer to you, but to show you that we have the right people to brainstorm & guide ...
[12:04] <pips1> I have seen some sites with educational "recipies", i.e. "curriculum grains"...
[12:04] <cbx33> I have fallen asleep walking home once
[12:05] <RichEd> funny. walking home once is normally enough. no wonder you are tired.
[12:05] <ogra> cbx33, so better drive by car then you can sit while sleeping :)
[12:05] <pips1> cbx33: you sound people i witnessed on my visit in Japan: falling asleep on an evelator ride !! 
[12:05] <cbx33> I fell asleep whilst standing up the other day
[12:05] <cbx33> :(
[12:06] <pips1> cbx33 take it easy...
[12:06] <cbx33> I can't take it easy
[12:06] <cbx33> I have to get out of this job it's killing me
[12:06] <cbx33> so I'm expanding my skill set by all my ubuntu work
[12:06] <cbx33> I don;t feel tired much at all !
[12:07] <cbx33> I think ogra is trying to get me killed :p
[12:07] <pips1> cbx33: you are on overdrive, sir
[12:07] <pips1> by the sound of it
[12:07] <RichEd> pips1: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=687 <- chew on that for a bit. I need to get plan done for the ubermeister ! And my sarcy over-tired comments here are starting to annoy even me.
[12:07] <cbx33> it was happening way before I started working on ubuntu though
[12:09] <cbx33> sarcastic
[12:09] <cbx33> i presume RichEd ?
[12:09] <pips1> saucy ?
[12:10] <pips1> :)
[12:10] <RichEd> yes. quite. sarcastic. brain spits out weak humour when tired.
[12:10] <pips1> ah, sarky!
[12:11] <pips1> I just love leo.org
[12:11] <cbx33> RichEd: if your'e interested and ever have time
[12:11] <cbx33> http://linuxgazette.net/121/savage.html
[12:11] <cbx33> my tired and weak humour from working with M$ !
[12:11] <RichEd> Hello surge ...  I see you're .za on Vodacom 3g ... I'm in Cape Town.
[12:12] <surge> RichEd: i'm highvoltage logged in locally, my connection here is too weak to log into my server in newlands :)
[12:12] <surge> hi RichEd :)
[12:12] <cbx33> surge: did you manage to find out if you can use paypal
[12:12] <RichEd> So is surge appropriate then ? Shouldn't it be trickle ?
[12:12] <surge> cbx33: no, we can't :)
[12:12] <cbx33> awww
[12:13] <surge> meant :( instead of :)
[12:13] <surge> cbx33: i can still send it to you, we can see how it works there ten we can work something out
[12:13] <cbx33> surge: can you buy just SIM cards over there
[12:14] <surge> yep
[12:14] <surge> they cost about R2 :)
[12:14] <cbx33> if I bought a SIM
[12:14] <cbx33> coud I register it
[12:14] <surge> register?
[12:14] <cbx33> well...how do you add money to it?
[12:14] <surge> so that it's in your name?
[12:14] <cbx33> over the net?
[12:14] <cbx33> yes
[12:15] <surge> here, you usually buy a pre-paid voucher and you scratch off a number, then enter that into the phone
[12:15] <cbx33> ah....
[12:15] <surge> you can also transfer money into your account with on-line banking
[12:15] <cbx33> ok so reckon I could do that from here?
[12:15] <surge> but i think you can only use the latter if you have a .za bank account
[12:15] <pips1> RichEd: jono's post: good one. I had read it after his engagement was announced...
[12:15] <cbx33> surge: ok
[12:17] <pips1> surge: great nick! :-D
[12:17] <pips1> oops
[12:17] <pips1> trickle is gone again
[12:17] <pips1> :)
[12:17] <highvoltage> pips1: thanks, too bad it's registered to someone else :)
[12:17] <pips1> highvoltage: heh
[12:18] <RichEd> pips1: So if we can say to teachers, why use a PC & Net etc. to teach just subject silos. Use this new world to teach thinking and collaboration tools which apply to life in the global vilage.
[12:18] <RichEd> tools & skills (I meant to say)
[12:18] <RichEd> And to do that, everybody needs to participate, not just consume.
[12:19] <pips1> good point!
[12:19] <RichEd> Help us to help you .... etc.
[12:21] <pips1> hmm wikipedia-collaboration rather than learning-book-content-by-heart
[12:25] <pips1> RichEd: I like that thought about collaboration / participation. I think I'll now want to look at what edubuntu provides from that angle... hmm
[12:27] <RichEd> pips1: look at this while you have a chance ... you can't teach like this with traditional tools
[12:27] <pips1> ... considering that only a certain percentage (which percentage?) of pupils / students will be doing mostly technical things in their later lives
[12:27] <RichEd> http://lamsfoundation.org/
[12:28] <RichEd> LAMS is a revolutionary new tool for designing, managing and delivering online collaborative learning activities. It provides teachers with a highly intuitive visual authoring environment for creating sequences of learning activities. These activities can include a range of individual tasks, small group work and whole class activities based on both content and collaboration. Click here for an interactive demonstration of LAMS.
[12:28] <RichEd> This is a key partner on the list for me to work with, on instruction from Mark.
[12:28] <RichEd> There is already a Shuttleworth Foundation Relationship with the founder.
[12:29] <pips1> LAMS seems to be quite big i.e. successful in the US? in Switzerland, from the floss online learning tools, it's Moodle...
[12:29] <cbx33> LAMS isn't free isit ?
[12:29] <RichEd> So, the reason I meation it, is that "we do not need to build" the tools. We need to enable people to use them.
[12:30] <RichEd> So sabdfl wants us to have a seamless relationship & present a seamless experience.
[12:30] <RichEd> cbx33: indeed
[12:30] <pips1> LAMS is a web service (server app), right?
[12:30] <RichEd> pips1: yes, moodle content in a learning process ... let me expand
[12:31] <RichEd> a teacher books out a LAMS package against her class:
[12:31] <RichEd> step 1: kids must load moodle links and read up
[12:31] <pips1> I'm quite interested in the area "in-between" web apps and desktop apps, i.e. seamless integration
[12:31] <RichEd> step 2: when 75% of the kids have done the reading, it kick off a note to the teacher to start a class discussion
[12:32] <RichEd> step 3: when the discussion is complete, the kids move onto a project, which they then submit
[12:32] <RichEd> step 3: when 75% of the kids have submitted their projects, they review
[12:32] <RichEd> something like that ...
[12:33] <RichEd> Now how much richer learning experience it that, than your old teacher waffling up at the blackboard :)
[12:34] <pips1> cbx33: Is LAMS free? When will it be freely available?
[12:34] <pips1> Yes. The LAMS software was released as "open source software" (using the GPL) in late February 2005. From this time onwards, anyone who wishes to take the publicly available software source code, and then compile it, install it, configure it and maintain it can use LAMS without incurring any fees. For many users, it may be more cost effective to have LAMS International (the LAMS services and support company) provide support services to handle all of thi
[12:34] <pips1> s for a modest fee, but this decision is up to each potential user  there is no compulsion to pay anything for using LAMS if you abide by the requirements of the GPL (the LAMS open source software license).
[12:35] <pips1> http://lamsfoundation.org/faq/02.html
[12:35] <pips1> (sorry for the paste flood)
[12:43] <pips1> hey cbx33 since you are working on SCP, you should definitely check out this LAMS-Moodle integration stuff... there are some flash-screencasts here http://fraser.typepad.com/moodle/2005/11/lams_moodle.html (<-- check out links 3&4, they are in English)
[12:49] <pips1> interesting too http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=24187
[12:49] <pips1> ^^^ Moodle's founder Martin Dougiamas about the LAMS-Moodle integration..
[12:50] <cbx33> pips1: I tried to find LAMS to install
[12:51] <pips1> and?
[12:51] <pips1> no luck so far?
[12:51] <cbx33> no
[12:51] <cbx33> I couldn't find it anywhere
[12:52] <RichEd> pips1: commercial model above is the same as Canonical
[12:54] <pips1> RichEd: well, I would be interested to learn the exact business model of Canonical ;-)
[12:54] <pips1> but basically, services, certifications ... and ?
[12:55] <RichEd> pips1: simple version ... all of the products are free ... to get ... to use ... 
[12:55] <RichEd> if you can manage on your own ... you will never pay us for anything
[12:55] <pips1> cbx33: the LAMS website talks about LAMS 2.0 being in Alpha and available from the public CVS...
[12:56] <RichEd> if you want specialised attention, you will need to pay for it
[12:56] <cbx33> RichEd: ah ok
[12:56] <RichEd> thats the backbone of the model
[12:56] <RichEd> specialised attention may be: server support 24x7
[12:57] <RichEd> or specialised attention may be: customise ubuntu to run on my government sponsored h/w 
[12:58] <RichEd> or specialised attention may be: customise ubuntu to provide a seamless country wide schools network, with WAN, LAN, content network integrated install, and our own selected applications and content links
[12:58] <juliux> wb ogra 
[12:58] <pips1> cbx33: ah LAMS 2.0 was declared Beta1 as of Juli 1st 2006, get it here http://wiki.lamsfoundation.org/display/lams/Building+LAMS
[01:00] <RichEd> Okay ... regarding LAMS ... don't get hung up on it from my prompting. I put it forwards as an example of an external tool / content, with a relationship to us. It's not a given, or a compulsory ... more a food for thought as a principle demonstration.
[01:00] <pips1> right
[01:00] <ogra> somebody should package it ;)
[01:01] <ogra> i'll see if i can do that after feature freeze for universe at least
[01:01] <cbx33> ogra: hehehe
[01:05] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[01:05] <pips1> I'm going to get some food, was good to talk, cu l8r!
[01:05] <rodarvus> hi cbx33 
[01:05] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:10] <cbx33> rodarvus: did you want me?
[01:10] <rodarvus> I just wanted to tell you I only saw your comment on gaim a few hours later, I'm sorry
[01:11] <cbx33> ah
[01:11] <rodarvus> were you able to figure it out?
[01:11] <cbx33> hehe
[01:11] <cbx33> I think so
[01:11] <cbx33> I have to patch pessulus now
[01:11] <rodarvus> ahn, you talked with vuntz?
[01:11] <cbx33> yes
[02:13] <RichEd> erm ... who knows how to edit the evolution email dictionary ? added a misspelt work by mistake ... want to remove it
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya
[03:12] <cbx33> rodarvus, do you know if every user in edubuntu has a mandatory gconf source?
[03:13] <rodarvus> not sure if I undestood you, but
[03:13] <rodarvus> every user has personal gconf keys created, in the first time any application using gconf (usually a GNOME app) requests or sets a gconf key
[03:13] <cbx33> by default, there's only one central mandatory source (and every user has his own non-mandatory settings)
[03:15] <cbx33> the question is
[03:15] <cbx33> does each user have the ability to have mandatory keys set
[03:15] <cbx33> or is it just a central mandatory key source?
[03:16] <cbx33> maybe I'm not explaining it right rodarvus 
[03:16] <cbx33> ogra, do we have a central mandatory key source?
[03:17] <cbx33> or can you set mandatory keys for each user?
[03:17] <cbx33> in gconf
[03:20] <rodarvus> cbx33, if I understand your question correcly (which I'm not sure I do) - I think you can't have gconf mandatory keys set per users
[03:20] <rodarvus> at least I couldn't find any reference to this in /etc/gconf/
[03:20] <cbx33> ok
[03:20] <cbx33> so we are the default 
[03:20] <rodarvus> better to ask a gconf expert, though
[03:21] <cbx33> ok
[03:44] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:45] <cbx33> hey sbalneav 
[03:45] <sbalneav> Morning cbx33 
[03:46] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[03:46] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[03:46] <sbalneav> Hey, I vote for skipping the /etc/locale.alias step
[03:47] <ogra> it was never intended to be used where you put it ;)
[03:47] <ogra> the client has a /etc/locale.alias as well ... ldm should translate it ... leave that part to me :)
[03:48] <ogra> the user shall never see real locale names 
[03:48] <ogra> as in gdm there should only be a list of meaningful country names
[03:49] <ogra> but the transalting bit should happen while the list in the ui is populated 
[03:49] <sbalneav> AH, ok, then just hack that bit out of the script then.
[03:50] <ogra> it needs some pitti friendly changes aynway
[03:50] <sbalneav> Do you like the idea of jost opening the socket and getting all the info?  I think it makes a lot more sense than having to do the "getcfg BLAH" suff.
[03:50] <ogra> yep
[03:50] <ogra> we dont need special commands or anything
[03:50] <ogra> just spit out the list 
[03:50] <sbalneav> Say, BTW, when you get the chance, send me the changes you and pitti made to ltspfs[d]  and I'll commit them to upstream.
[03:51] <ogra> right 
[03:51] <sbalneav> exactly.
[03:51] <ogra> i kept it in a dpatch in the package so its separate anyway
[03:51] <ogra> easy to apply upstream etc :)
[03:52] <sbalneav> ogra: so, where are we at?  Good progress being made?  It seems we're on track, but I'm not sure of the details of Canonical's internal schedule.
[03:52] <ogra> sbalneav, try to use the subprocess module in python instead of os.popen btw that will make pitti happy :)
[03:53] <ogra> well, i have the ldm stuff on the plate, but am a bit stuck because of the cd images
[03:53] <ogra> i have to merge/review a ton of patches from vagrant ...
[03:53] <ogra> (that will at least take a full workday)
[03:53] <ogra> i have to finish the installer piece that creates the dhcp setup ...
[03:53] <ogra> (there i'm lagging a bit)
[03:54] <ogra> then we only need the swapserver stuff and are done ...
[03:55] <ogra> i hope i find some time to review the SCP bits and get willowng to main 
[03:55] <ogra> but mdz wanted me to handle that as low prioritized as possible ...
[03:55] <sbalneav> OK, The installer and LDM pieces I'll leave to you.  I'll ping rodarvus today, and see what I can do to help him with the swap server.
[03:55] <ogra> oh, and theer are a bunch of fixes i still need to make 
[03:55] <cbx33> ogra, am sorting out pessulus as we speak
[03:55] <ogra> like avoiding the fade on logut
[03:56] <ogra> and the hibernate/suspend options
[04:17] <gotama>  I have 64-bit PC (AMD64) with edubuntu installed. How do I install java runtime enviroment in firefox?
[04:34] <Petaris> gotama: you have to use a chroot or a program like nspluginwrapper
[04:34] <Petaris> see here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&page=2&highlight=32-bit+chroot
[04:34] <cbx33> ogra, what version of gnome will be in edgy?
[04:34] <cbx33> is it the 2.11.4 that is in there currently?
[04:35] <jsgotangco> errrr
[04:35] <jsgotangco> dapper is 2.14.3 ;)
[04:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its 2.16 ;)
[04:36] <cbx33> oh
[04:36] <cbx33> ok
[04:38] <jsgotangco> gnome's versioning is similar to the kernel
[04:38] <jsgotangco> but also uses 6 month release cycles that why ubuntu is always in sync
[04:40] <cbx33> right
[04:48] <jsgotangco> an ubuntu development version always gets to use a development version of gnome as well
[04:59] <tavienu> I have Ubuntu installed can I install edubuntu without messing around with my current config?
[05:02] <sbalneav> tavienu: aptitude edubuntu-desktop will convert a Ubuntu server into an Edubuntu server.
[05:05] <tavienu> ty
[05:05] <RichEd> jsgotangco: hello ?
[05:07] <pips1> RichEd: I wikified bits from our conversation earlier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSiteCommunityContent
[05:07] <tavienu>  sudo aptitude edubuntu-desktop
[05:07] <tavienu> Password:
[05:07] <tavienu> Unknown command "edubuntu-desktop"
[05:07] <RichEd> hi pips1 loading page ...
[05:09] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hi
[05:09] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I phoned Mindset today and chatted to my contact from NEPAD
[05:09] <RichEd> You should have my intro email. He is very intersted in sharing learnings.
[05:10] <RichEd> As per the email, no rush or pressure or expectations on either side.
[05:10] <jsgotangco> thanks
[05:10] <RichEd> Just consider him as a person you can ask for help and guidance.
[05:10] <jsgotangco> ok much appreciated
[05:10] <jsgotangco> i start working with AFI on monday
[05:11] <RichEd> I'll stay out of it unless you direct a request to me ... okay :)
[05:11] <jsgotangco> ok reading through the email now
[05:12] <RichEd> pips1: great start thanks ... keep hacking ... and the formalisation will catch up in the next 2-3 weeks ... thanks again !
[05:14] <pips1> RichEd: do you personally like working in a wiki, drafting stuff, ...?  
[05:14] <RichEd> jsgotangco: final note ... Mindset are 70% focused on South Africa and 30% rest of Africa. Philippines will be an exciting alternative to think about as a change from our usual African constraints.
[05:14] <sbalneav> tavienu: Sorry, aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <sbalneav> Either that, or you can use synaptic to install it.
[05:15] <jsgotangco> RichEd: it would probably need a new mindset as well because they are culturally very different
[05:16] <RichEd> Yes, and that is what makes it exciting. Like Edward de Bono solution. Get off topic, come back gto your pronem, and then the outlook & solution is fresh.
[05:16] <RichEd> *come back to your problem
[05:22] <jsgotangco> interesting so NEPAD will be exclusively driven by FOSS?
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i mean the eSchools project
[05:23] <jsgotangco> ahh if it makes sense with local support
[05:23] <jsgotangco> that's a sensible idea
[05:35] <RichEd> yes ... jsgotangco: last deduction, not first statement ... the chicken and egg situation as usual
[05:35] <RichEd> 1> we don't use FOSS becuase there is no vendor support (H/W VAR or training)
[05:36] <RichEd> 2>  there is no vendor support (H/W VAR or training) FOSS becuase we don't use it
[05:36] <RichEd> round and round we go ... long story regarding our approach wth HP ... that's why we have Will on board
[05:37] <ogra> he will compensate all the missing vendor wupport ? wow ! :)
[05:37] <RichEd> I'm happy to have a NEPAD chat at some stage, but not of too much relevance now ... when we make progres, Will can feedback to all in edubuntu meeting
[05:37] <ogra> *support
[05:38] <ogra> hehe
[05:39] <RichEd> ogra: we need to chat about Edulinux (was Eurolinux) at some stage ... can we book a block next week ... perhaps at our core meeting whcih *must* take place again next week
[05:39] <RichEd> *which
[05:40] <RichEd> let me know when you are ready for a mail forward from silbs ... I don't want to send when it is just going to get lost in a pressure time.
[05:41] <ogra> ok
[05:41] <ogra> send it today or tomorrow, as you like 
[05:41] <RichEd> :)
[05:41] <ogra> i was at a eurolinux meetingin saarburg which was very odd
[05:41] <ogra> they couldnt agree on a minimal featureset
[05:42] <ogra> it was dropped then afaik ...
[05:42] <ogra> so that smells like the revival
[05:42] <RichEd> the kick-off meeting is 'sposed to be in Poland in October .... one or both of us must attend ... pro'lly both
[05:42] <ogra> fine with me (even my GF will slay me )
[05:42] <RichEd> there is some training requirement due when we meet ... but is also vague ...
[05:43] <RichEd> i'll wrap the mails into some sense tomorrow ... and get it to your for weekend digestion ...
[05:43] <ogra> thats great, thanks
[05:43] <RichEd> well, bring her to poland :)
[05:44] <ogra> doesnt work ... we ahve a very ill old dog that needs someone around all the time ...
[05:44] <RichEd> I assume that the meet will be much less pressure than an Ubuntu meet. Some actual time off.
[05:44] <ogra> we cant got together anywhere at
[05:44] <ogra> m
[05:44] <RichEd> pity :(
[05:45] <ogra> yep ...
[06:20] <RichEd> bye for the day ... need some time away from the screen and will be back again in very early morning
[06:38] <cbx33> :) w00t
[06:38] <cbx33> just been kite flying cleared my head
[06:38] <cbx33> should be good for hacking up pesulus tomorrow
[06:38] <cbx33> taking an evening off today
[06:38] <cbx33> but I'll be back EARLY tomorow
[06:40] <Burgwork> sounds good
[06:43] <Burgwork> ogra, it would be nice if GNOME could implement a gconf key called "low performance". Then various things could check that key, and if set, would turn off things like fading and GL screensavers. Maybe throttle beagle, etc.
[06:46] <cbx33> nice idea Burgwork 
[06:47] <Burgwork> we would love it here as well
[06:50] <LaserJock> ogra: ping?
[06:54] <EliasChalk> hello to everybody
[06:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: have you tried willowng at all?
[06:55] <cbx33> LaserJock, no
[06:55] <cbx33> is it working now?
[06:56] <EliasChalk> Good Bye
[06:56] <LaserJock> alrighty then
[06:56] <cbx33> :S
[08:55] <mhz> hi all
[08:55] <LaserJock> hi mhz
[08:55] <highvoltage> hi mhz and LaserJock 
[08:55] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage 
[09:16] <Petaris> hrm
[09:16] <Petaris> the linneighborhood package seems to have no binary
[09:38] <mhz> th1a: hey there
[09:38] <mhz> th1a: I was in a conference (from Chilean Gov people working on education areas) today
[09:39] <mhz> and they discussed about 'learning objects' cration
[09:39] <mhz> creation
[10:12] <LaserJock> Amaranth!
[10:12] <th1a> hi mhz
[10:12] <Amaranth> Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. ;)
[10:13] <th1a> mhz:  I try to avoid "learning objects..."
[10:13] <mhz> Amaranth: "i see dead people"
[10:13] <mhz> th1a: why?
[10:13] <LaserJock> Amaranth: got a minute?
[10:13] <Burgwork> Amaranth, long time no see
[10:13] <Amaranth> LaserJock: sort of
[10:14] <mhz> LaserJock: Amaranth was on a long party :D
[10:14] <th1a> mhz:  Trying to reduce learning to something you can cram between XML pointy brackets is tough.
[10:15] <mhz> yup
[10:15] <th1a> mhz:  I'm not against it, I just fear it.
[10:15] <Burgwork> th1a, is this blackboard patent something schooltool needs to be worried about?
[10:15] <mhz> th1a: the thing is that some guys at local Gov have been working on a GUI to create L.O's and keep SCORM
[10:15] <th1a> Not really... we aren't a learning management system.
[10:17] <th1a> Burgwork:  There's also a patent on collecting attendance info over a wireless network.  Who knows how many patents a project like SchoolTool infringes upon?
[10:17] <mhz> lol
[10:17] <Burgwork> th1a, oh joy. Aren
[10:17] <Burgwork> 't patetns fun?
[10:18] <th1a> Burgwork:  Yes.  I really doubt Blackboard's patent will hold up.
[10:18] <th1a> But there is not much to do but root for Desire2Learn's lawyers.
[10:18] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:19] <th1a> The thing is that even if you accept that software patents aren't inherently bad, this still seems like a bad decision by the patent office.
[10:20] <th1a> mhz:  Anyhow, in terms of funded work on SchoolTool, one of the few explicit orders I have from sabdfl is NOT to get into using SchoolTool as a content repository.
[10:21] <th1a> If someone else writes an LMS on top of SchoolTool someday, I won't complain though.
[10:21] <Burgwork> right
[10:21] <Burgwork> because moodle already exists (as does .lrn, etc.)
[10:21] <th1a> Sure.  That's also why interoperability is becoming super important for us.
[10:22] <crimsun> I suppose I had better merge moodle, then.
[10:22] <Burgwork> that US standard whose name I am forgetting
[10:25] <LaserJock> of course you would ;-)
[10:25] <th1a> SIF
[10:25] <mhz> it is just that Moin is incorporating vary good not-easy-to-defeat new features
[11:45] <jaro> hello 
[11:46] <jaro> question : I have edubuntu server on amd64 and thin clinets on old i386 machines
[11:47] <jaro> how to install ltsp vith kernel for i386 on this server ?
[11:48] <Burgwork> you can do different arches with servers and cleints
[11:49] <jaro> how ?
[11:49] <jaro> can i get only .deb with 386 anf install it on my server ?
[11:50] <jaro> s/anf/and
[11:50] <Burgwork> there is a howto on the wiki
[11:51] <Burgwork> just a sec
[11:53] <jaro> isee 
[11:53] <Burgwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[11:53] <jaro> ok i need another machine to boot with i386 ed
[11:54] <jaro> i try it tommorow 
[11:55] <jaro> but what with machine with freebsd/slackware with xdmcp ?
[11:56] <Burgwork> sorry?
[11:58] <jaro> i have two machines on network with inxtalled xorg and using -query to get xwindow from server
[11:58] <Burgwork> right, sorry, I have no idea bout that
[11:58] <jaro> it works with previous intallation on slamd64
[11:58] <jaro> but after upgrade to ubuntu ... 
[12:00] <jaro> i try to configure gdm to work with xdmcp but no