[12:14] want it ? [12:14] RichEd: 19 UTC? [12:14] RichEd, yes please [12:14] you know my addy [12:14] sunday 19 UTC ... done ... [12:14] cbx33: sure do :) [12:14] RichEd, about our meeting [12:15] RichEd: thx [12:15] yes cbx33 [12:15] monday, is gonabe difficult.....as it's the first proper day back at school [12:15] toosday works as well [12:15] shoud be better [12:19] cbx33: minutes sent - now with added free seconds ! === RichEd is faqqed ... time for beddy byes [12:19] ooooh thanx [12:19] nn RichEd [12:20] bye all [12:22] nn RichEd [12:23] ogra, is the badly hacked code mine? [12:23] hehehahah [12:24] i hope to have at least some time to try to fix up pessulus tomorrow [12:28] i'm over and out guys [12:28] nn everyone === mhz is now known as mhz_off [01:41] LaserJock, you around? [01:41] yeah [01:42] want to do some more packaging? [01:42] depends :-) [01:43] sadly no pay this time, but the carrot is that it is open source and benefit edubuntu [01:44] ah, well that sounds better [01:44] what's the app? [01:45] pre-book [01:45] http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/PreBook [01:46] I am currently explaining why COPYRIGHT files are a good thing to the lead developer, so I can get you a tarball, but it wouldn't be able to be uploaded until I fix that issue [01:47] heh [01:48] well, I'm pretty busy [01:49] I really can't guarantee anything at this point [01:49] no worries [01:50] it's just hard to tell [01:50] if it was an easy package I'd so fine [01:50] but I have a tendency to underestimate time commitments and then I get in trouble [01:50] and I really would like to work on the packaging guide before the doc freeze :-) [01:51] I wouldn't mind reviewing or giving tips for somebody here who wants to get their feet wet though ;-) [01:53] sounds good [01:53] this is a server, so it might be fun [01:54] I'd put it out on -motu perhaps, sometimes MOTU Hopefuls are looking for a package to do [01:54] will do [01:54] looks like it would be a good addition to Edubuntu [01:56] wait until you see the language it is written in ;) [01:56] what? [01:57] tcl [01:57] on top of aolserver [01:57] oh my [01:57] indeed [02:48] ogra: scribus seems to be fixed with latest updates, easy fix :-) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server === caravena [n=caravena@65-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] Burgundavia: cool === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === rjian61 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian61 is now known as rjian === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:33] Evening all [04:33] hi sbalneav [04:36] Hey LaserJock! === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === purserj [n=purserj@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === rjian289 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian289 is now known as rjian === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [08:23] hi ! [08:24] i still can connect to HP laserjet 1000, is that any clue or documents for solving this problem ? === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] morning [09:03] afternoon :) [09:05] greetz [09:05] juliux: you were asking about Edgy CDs release ? [09:05] RichEd, yes [09:05] marilize: In your past experience, what is the approximate time between release of a new version by the technical team and CD's being pressed & printed and ready to ship ? [09:05] 2-3 weeks [09:06] RichEd, thxs [09:06] RichEd, i think we have in germany a sponsor for edgy dvds ;) [09:06] RichEd, edubuntu only [09:06] So that's to get to shipit. Add 2 weeks minimum to get to you. I checked with JaneW last night, and there is a wait period for emergency fixes prior to pressing.. [09:07] But the image will be on line ready for download on release day. So you can burn yourself. [09:08] Hi RichEd :) [09:08] note that ogra has got the image down to CD side. [09:08] toosa ! [09:09] the seminar is delayed :( [09:09] RichEd, i think we will burn dvds not cds [09:09] Because there is a big debate of CD vd DVS in school equipment ... [09:09] DVD :P [09:09] but i think it is good also, hope that the CDs will arrive before that. [09:09] brb [09:10] RichEd, we will have professional dvds and selfmade cds ,) [09:11] toosa: I checked with Mariliize (Shipit) if you have a rush need for CD's next time, you need to add comments on the web application ... if the justificatin is good, they upgrade the request from snail mail to courier [09:14] Cool juliux :) We are busy with 1 year planning for divisions. I need to drill down into specifics next week. Can you & I have a .ge chat some time then ? [09:15] RichEd, a .ge chat ??? [09:15] .ch sorry ... chermany, not georgia :) [09:15] I did [09:15] RichEd, germany is .de ;) === RichEd slaps himself [09:15] midnight meetings are not good for the brain [09:15] good toosa :) [09:16] And same comment to you, re indonesia ... Without the country abbreviation mistakes. [09:18] If we can get your territories onto the high level plan, with apropriate time schedules, I can work towards focused support & plan a visit in the next 12 moths to conincide with an apropriate event or meeting.. [09:18] RichEd, sure we can have .de meeting ;) [09:19] RichEd, its up to you, you are the busy men [09:19] Great. I'll put it in as an action: "Discuss territory with Education Community Lead to plan 1 year outlook." [09:20] RichEd, the best thing is if we can do it this week or after the 10.11 [09:20] RichEd, the best thing is if we can do it this week or after the 10.9 [09:21] RichEd, because i am working next weekend and then i move into my flat [09:22] After the 10 Sept is better ... you suggest a date & time. I'll book it in my calendar now, and then will email you a few days before. === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:24] I'll ask you a few homework questions ... background to yourself, territory & events upcoming ... nothing too heavy. [09:24] RichEd, 12.11 befor the cc meeting ?? [09:24] Interrogation !!! [09:25] cee bee ex thirsty three ! [09:25] heeyyy Mr RichEd dude ! [09:25] hi cbx33 === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-165-217-141.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] nooooo double the interrogation 1 [09:28] phew [09:29] damn adsl reset ... grumble [09:29] RichEd, befor the cc meeting is not good? [09:29] :D - New UbuntuSounds should be in Knot-3 :D [09:29] Who else here is on ADSL ? Does your provider reset you once a day ? 4-kin annoying [09:30] RichEd: nope [09:30] not that I know of [09:30] RichEd, yes german telecom disconnect you every 24h === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] RichEd, and here you get an new ip address [09:30] Our telco does it (1) to check bandwidth capping limits, and (2) to prevent you from hosting servers [09:31] juliux: same here = point (2) === cbx33 is allowed to host a server [09:31] sorry guys that sux :p [09:31] but WHY do they need to do it at 9:15 am, peak work time ! === RichEd will phone to cr@p on someone there and not be frustrated in the channel [09:32] heh [09:32] okay juliux ... back to the meeting [09:32] you can vent here RichEd we all do it from time to time :p [09:32] RichEd, oh here it is 24h after your login so if you login at 2:00 the disconnect you at 2:00 [09:33] Good point. Maybe I should disconnect voluntarily at 10:00 pm tongiht to see if it shifts the time. [09:33] juliux: We're now on 31/09 August. You suggested "12.11 befor the cc meeting " That's November ... is that what you meant ? [09:34] RichEd, i mean 12.9 sorry [09:34] That's 2 weeks ago :) lets use letters instead of numbers ... 12 Sept ? [09:35] ja 12 Sept [09:35] Thanks. [09:35] Will confirm via email today. [09:35] ok [09:35] but i dont know the time for cc meeting [09:35] cbx33: are you willing to help me with a UK territory plan ? [09:35] RichEd: definitely [09:35] juliux: we can fix a time closer to the day. [09:36] RichEd, time is up to you, i hope i have internet on my new flat, if not i am in my old one ;) [09:37] RichEd: what did you have in mind [09:37] cbx33, that is a good point [09:38] cbx33: let's go off to a window ... don't want to repeat it all here again ... Juliux, I'll email you and cbx33 with outline begore the end of the day [09:39] RichEd, thxs [09:39] before ... not begore [09:39] ok sure [09:39] phew I didn't know what begore meant :p === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu [10:51] hi pips ... email sent as promised :) [10:52] RichEd: :) [10:52] RichEd: what do you think the chances are of us having some hardware at BETT? [10:52] if we manage to hijack the FSF stand [10:52] hi highvoltage ... [10:53] cbx33: one step at a time :) for each of my hundred legs ... or else I will fall over :) [10:53] sorry RichEd, i got over excited again === RichEd does a prat fall to demonstrate === markit86 [n=markit86@80-43-1-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:58] cbx33: Or else I forget things, like get around to pressing send on the emails I compose ... pips1 & highvoltage ... web site email now actually sent :) [10:59] heheh [11:00] my deepest apologies RichEd [11:03] Hi RichEd, got your mail, thanks [11:03] pips1: So for the next week or so, just dig around the education site areas and form some opinions ideas etc. We'll have a Planning & Revision meeting within the next 2 weeks. Can discuss at the next #edubuntu meeting to see who wants to participate. [11:04] Jono Bacon will be on board by then. [11:04] Thanks for your offer to help. We all appreciate it. [11:04] np [11:05] RichEd: how much involvement with edubutu do you see Jono having? === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [11:06] I'll try to research what is out there already, sites related to education and floss... we can link to good resources, and I need to get an idea what would suit our site best content-wise, besides the obvious stuff [11:06] my speculation: Jono is Community for Canonical. We are a significant focus community. We are getting him involved as he starts, before he is swamped. He has a personal passion for Education. === ogra just freed up 10-20 M on the CDs [11:06] ogra: did you hear I could save 2 Mb :p [11:07] great [11:07] RichEd: excellent, I've spoken to him quite a few times [11:07] So, cbx33, I would be disappointed with anything less than 20% of his time & headspace. [11:07] i just dropped our compiler environment :/ [11:07] hey there. what you ditching? [11:07] ogra: the startup sounds.... [11:07] ah, cool ! [11:07] how hard to make the system play oggs [11:07] and not bloody wavs ! [11:07] not at all [11:08] ogg wourks out of the box in every *buntu [11:08] my sounds are like 300Kb [11:08] is it possible to talk to someone about this [11:08] cool [11:08] then we could switch all sounds to ogg [11:08] post to ubuntu-devel [11:08] ok [11:08] will do [11:08] so it can get discussed [11:08] and seb128 should be able to tell you if the gnome backend does it out of the box [11:09] i know all gstreamer apps can play ogg ... [11:09] but i'm not sure the system sounds are switched to gstreamer yet [11:09] pips1: Great. Form your best opinion. We add to that: 1) Planning Objectives 2) Will's document study (includes case studies and advocacy via Pete) 3) Our community input 4) Jono comunity input & fit with Ubuntu [11:09] cbx33, i meant the mailing list [11:09] not the channel :) [11:10] oh [11:10] sorry ogra [11:10] I'll compose a post [11:10] :) [11:10] stupid me! [11:10] the air is burning in -devel atm ... [11:10] all are busy with the CD stuff [11:11] ok [11:11] my new sounds should be on knot 3 [11:11] ;) [11:11] so its probalbly not the best time to come up with it there ... [11:11] cool [11:11] ok [11:11] lets see if we can get SCP in there as well ;) [11:11] ogra: I should hopefully have something to show for SCP today on the pessulus side [11:11] ogra: that'd be cool [11:11] pips1: And finally, I have plans to drill into 6 territories with local community assistance. Region overview, (Ed)ubuntu success, conferences, projects ... which will also move into a regular news update. [11:12] RichEd so Will (aka willvdl ?) preparing a document? [11:12] ogra: will you have anytime later for SCP [11:12] well, we need to pass pitti ... and i know i did some quick hacks he doesnt like ... so i need to go over the code beforwe [11:12] RichEd re 6 territories sounds great [11:12] ogra: oh I thought you were referring to my code [11:12] I saw the meeting log [11:12] hehehe [11:12] where is my hug !!!! [11:12] will has already done a high level ... it is a formalised approach to what we need for marketing ... paper & electronic ... audience and objective [11:12] cbx33, you can look yourself, if you find any os.system calls etc [11:13] pipsl: bit more high level than that [11:13] ogra: sure I'll check that out [11:13] they need to be replaced with stuff from subprocess [11:13] ahhh [11:13] ok [11:13] pessulus is so confusing [11:13] subprocess has a very good documentation on how to replace that ... [11:13] It's because it's all properly written [11:13] you can just copy and paste from it ;) [11:13] ogra: I have implemented subprocess before [11:14] willvdl: it's actually pips1 <-- with number '1' rather than letter 'L' ;-) [11:14] ogra: I'll have about 3 hours today to work on it [11:14] for quick hacked code where i want to see the result immediately i often do that ... (using system or os.popen) but its totally not appropriate for production code [11:14] when I get back I can get cracking on using the iCommunity as a basis for templates, studies etc. [11:14] pips1: thanks :) [11:14] ogra: sure I see [11:15] willvdl: i would have preferred pips really but it was taken already ;-) [11:15] ogra: the pessulus code requires the use of goption [11:15] pips1: f.y.i. Germany (Juliux ) + UK (cbx33) + Philippines + (jsgotangco) + Indonesia (Toosa) + Latin America (mhz) + China & SE Asia (Amy Jiang) + Africa (Will) [11:15] which is totally undocumented in python [11:15] and very minimal in C [11:15] which is odd as gnome adopted it as a replacement to popt [11:15] which makes lucky number 7 :) [11:16] so RichEd, can you say more about the 6 territories now, or will you do that in an official meeting? [11:16] goption ? [11:16] what for ? [11:16] handling the command line options [11:16] vuntz requested I use it [11:16] well [11:16] for the SCP calls ? [11:16] there being no actual support in the for command line options as it is [11:16] RichEd: ah, sorry didn't see your country listing ;-D [11:16] does he know SCP is python ? [11:16] so I'm writing it from scratch [11:16] I believe so [11:16] oh, you mean you need to patch pessulus [11:16] ogra: no it's so we can do [11:17] pessulus --key blah:blah:/home/pete/blah [11:17] yesh [11:17] ah [11:17] k [11:17] which I'm a little at a loss on....but I think I'm getting there [11:17] thats different ... i thought he wanted you to use goption in SCP [11:17] that would be silly [11:17] no [11:17] we don;t need command lien options yet [11:18] just look at code that uses it ;) [11:18] I couldn't actually compile pessulus so I had to hack it up a bit [11:18] pips1: very simple for now ... in the week of 11-15 september, the plan is for me to spend an hour with each of the above people, mapping out the territory, very high level view ... existing projects, nice stories, upcoming events ... etc. [11:18] ogra: easier said than done [11:18] RichEd: I haven't met Toosa and Amy Jiang yet, and I only met willvdl now :-) [11:18] I havn't really found much [11:19] And we will then keep this view updated on a regular reportback basis. monthly report into #edubuntu meeting, add news to newsletter, and update web site region [11:19] RichEd: by "meet" I meant here on IRC [11:19] cbx33, apt-get source gnome-session [11:19] We'll try to develop a region template, so if other community people are keen, they can take a lead for their own locality [11:20] haha [11:20] nautilus-2.15.91/ChangeLog: Convert from popt to goption. [11:20] is that in python [11:20] nope [11:20] The initial 6 are chosen from the keen participants on this channel ... jsgotangco, mhz, cbx33, juliux [11:20] And Will is official Africa Canonical Employee ... [11:21] ogra: ok [11:21] And AmyJ is SE Asia Canonical OEM representative [11:23] heh, edubuntu OEM would be funny [11:23] China is interesting, the numbers are just of such a different order of scale :) When someone talks about 400,000 Ubuntu OEM desktops already delivered it is a bit numbing. [11:24] "get your preinstalled classroom server now !" [11:24] wun size fit all ! leady to use ! [11:25] ogra: so later part of today....ie about 16:00 UTC [11:25] would you have a little SCP time? [11:25] just for discussion [11:25] thats tight ... we have dev meeting at 15:00 [11:26] what about now? [11:26] so i might be busy there still at 16:00 === RichEd works on loose ends [11:26] cbx33: where did you mention the BETT FSS stand ... in channel or email ... [11:26] hmm....FSF in channel I think [11:26] contact details for anyone on hand ? [11:26] I'll have a look [11:26] hang on [11:28] tx [11:30] so to summarize, we will have at least a dozen regular contributers to the website! great! [11:32] 7 regions, ogra, rodarvus, RichEd, jono and me [11:32] :-) [11:32] pips1: cool [11:33] good ... nothing keeps interest up in the end audience as much as a regular site update, and news push [11:33] RichEd: totally [11:33] yep [11:34] By this I mean the education audience in the wings, lurking and observing, waiting to jump in when they feel ready. [11:34] i hope we can get a nice buzz going, rather than just some static info [11:34] And human news makes them feel warm & fuzzy, and activity makes them feel confident. [11:42] ahhh warm and fuzzy ! [11:42] :p [11:48] with Drupal as WCMS we really have the right to to build a great community website... besides the regular content (welcome, about, screenshots, download, ...) we can add lots of fun dynamic stuff: a.) news items with commenting (blog-like), b.) community discussion and help (forum-like), c.) social bookmarking (i.e. tagging and commenting links), and d.) possibly discussing and even rating (?) educational applications [11:48] I need to go home ... bye folks :) see u tom, thx RichEd. [11:48] s/right/right tool/ [11:48] toosa ... will send you an email ... [11:49] thanks RichEd [11:49] pips1: b) and d) 100's ... need to get community humming in a framework we manage ! === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] peer support ... ( not at the technical level ... that makes ogra edgy ;) but biology teachers helping biology teachers with content and application ragtings [11:51] ragtings = tagged ratings ;P [11:51] peer support is fine as long as a knowing person observes it [11:51] a) and c) is stuff that the core website contributers can *push*. b) and d) is about community interaction [11:51] (on a tech level) [11:51] yay ! ogra and I are on the same virtual page ! [11:52] hehe [11:52] pips1: and we want to get our site listed on drupal as a show site [11:52] RichEd: think this is a good time to think about Live Support? hahehahahaha [11:52] ogra: re knowing person observing: I agree. it problematic to scale that well, though [11:52] RichEd: nice idea [11:52] pips1, yes, sadly [11:53] techncial will be a peer-phase 2 ... we can start with peer-content advisory ... after all, they are the experts there [11:54] when we win content advisory community energy, technically minded people will float to the top of our attention [11:54] so 1) increase the contributor audience 2) filter the bigger ponf [11:54] easier tham skilling up a limited resource pool [11:54] *bigger pond [11:55] cbx33: this is a good time to send me FSF stand info ... before it falls out the back of my head ! [11:55] ogra: drupal has features / tools that help (comments can be reviewed first, spam protection, etc) ... but in the end it's about people contributing their time and knowledge. But we aren't there yet. I'd be very happy if we get a nice group that contribute regularly. :-) [11:56] I'm trying to find the contact info [11:56] don't worry I won;t let you forget [11:56] pips1: I'd be interested in that [11:56] oh wait...I'm already on the list [11:56] :p [11:57] cbx33: :) [12:01] hmm, RichEd you are making my little grey braincells go to work ;-) [12:01] I think my braincells are woring too much [12:01] I have to goto the doctor :( [12:02] edubuntu, at the moment, is primarily providing a technical solution, i.e. a toolbox, rather than content... === RichEd is so happy for all of us ... another idle brain harnessed & supercharged for the cause [12:02] I hope the doctor doesn't way stop working as much as I do [12:03] my problem is as soon as I'm not "actively" doing anything...... [12:03] so RichEd, how do you see that we will initially get the peer-content advisory going? [12:03] like eating, working on the computer. [12:03] pips1: edubuntu must provide a technical solution. edubuntu must enable content. in that order, but both significant part of the solution [12:03] I am likely to fall asleep [12:03] watching a film....that I really want to watch.....50/50 chance I'll be asleep by half way through [12:04] I can even fall asleeep while talking to someone while catching a lift in their car [12:04] pips1: let me give you a great article by jono ... not a direct answer to you, but to show you that we have the right people to brainstorm & guide ... [12:04] I have seen some sites with educational "recipies", i.e. "curriculum grains"... [12:04] I have fallen asleep walking home once [12:05] funny. walking home once is normally enough. no wonder you are tired. [12:05] cbx33, so better drive by car then you can sit while sleeping :) [12:05] cbx33: you sound people i witnessed on my visit in Japan: falling asleep on an evelator ride !! [12:05] I fell asleep whilst standing up the other day [12:05] :( [12:06] cbx33 take it easy... [12:06] I can't take it easy [12:06] I have to get out of this job it's killing me [12:06] so I'm expanding my skill set by all my ubuntu work [12:06] I don;t feel tired much at all ! [12:07] I think ogra is trying to get me killed :p [12:07] cbx33: you are on overdrive, sir [12:07] by the sound of it [12:07] pips1: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=687 <- chew on that for a bit. I need to get plan done for the ubermeister ! And my sarcy over-tired comments here are starting to annoy even me. [12:07] it was happening way before I started working on ubuntu though === pips1 looks up sarcy [12:09] sarcastic [12:09] i presume RichEd ? [12:09] saucy ? [12:10] :) [12:10] yes. quite. sarcastic. brain spits out weak humour when tired. [12:10] ah, sarky! === surge [n=jono@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] I just love leo.org [12:11] RichEd: if your'e interested and ever have time [12:11] http://linuxgazette.net/121/savage.html [12:11] my tired and weak humour from working with M$ ! [12:11] Hello surge ... I see you're .za on Vodacom 3g ... I'm in Cape Town. === RichEd is tired ... hello highvoltage [12:12] RichEd: i'm highvoltage logged in locally, my connection here is too weak to log into my server in newlands :) [12:12] hi RichEd :) [12:12] surge: did you manage to find out if you can use paypal [12:12] So is surge appropriate then ? Shouldn't it be trickle ? [12:12] cbx33: no, we can't :) [12:12] awww [12:13] meant :( instead of :) [12:13] cbx33: i can still send it to you, we can see how it works there ten we can work something out [12:13] surge: can you buy just SIM cards over there [12:14] yep [12:14] they cost about R2 :) [12:14] if I bought a SIM [12:14] coud I register it [12:14] register? [12:14] well...how do you add money to it? [12:14] so that it's in your name? [12:14] over the net? [12:14] yes [12:15] here, you usually buy a pre-paid voucher and you scratch off a number, then enter that into the phone [12:15] ah.... [12:15]