=== toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] === jdong|coreduo 's pbuilder is so updated now it should be illegal === jdong|coreduo wonders if his pbuilder should be including dapper-updates [12:25] meh, can't hurt too much === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-253-129.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] jdong|coreduo: your pbuilder should only have what a default dapper install has if your doing it for a main application [12:39] really depends on what your building [12:39] imbrandon: backports [12:39] well if infinity cahnges soyuz to use universe then its all gravy [12:39] ;) [12:39] :) [12:39] but i imagine he wont untill after knot 2 ships [12:40] night all, time for sleep [12:40] gnight kwwii_ [12:40] imbrandon: dude, are you on crank? How do you stay up all day? [12:40] hahaha i dont, i nap alot [12:41] amazing [12:41] when i'm idle waiting for something to compile i nap ;) [12:41] hehe [12:41] well, /me goes to sleep now [12:41] see you tomorrow [12:41] cya === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=247456 [01:05] you've got to be kidding me [01:08] lol [01:25] imbrandon: when? [01:25] ..... [01:25] when what ? [01:25] [01:25] banned them when? [01:26] heh yesterday [01:27] jdong|coreduo: lol... popcorn... give me a break === ryanakca looks at his logs === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:31] hmmm... [01:31] ryanakca: [01:31] [Wed Aug 30 2006] [07:18:52] btw moins all [01:31] [Wed Aug 30 2006] [07:19:27] unicode smileys are now banned here [01:31] [Wed Aug 30 2006] [07:19:31] cos I say so [01:32] [Wed Aug 30 2006] [07:19:52] woo! [01:32] hehe [01:34] lol [01:34] so today [01:34] I was grepping for "Tue" [01:35] fine.. ruin my fun === ryanakca gets rid of the autoreplace [01:35] it should be able to only autoreplace in certain channels [01:35] oops [01:35] ;) [01:57] Riddell: ping [01:57] i need some "assitance" real fast, i know its late but its kinda semi urgent === uni`nix [n=nixterna@dyn254-03.cod.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uni`nix [n=nixterna@dyn254-03.cod.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/release/ [02:34] do those images look ok? i am using them for the release as long as they are good [02:35] a gallery would be great. [02:35] meaning thumbnails on one page [02:35] ya, you get that...i dont' have access to creating one from class ;) [02:36] im sitting here learning about Linux right now [02:36] I still think the System Settings menu is wrong. [02:36] we know it is..it still needs to be fixed [02:37] Ok. :) [02:37] wrong? [02:37] Yeah. [02:37] define wrong it looks normal to me [02:37] Regional & Language and Regional & Accessibility share the same icon. [02:38] true i didnt even see that [02:38] If a user wants to search for something, he'll have to search the settings page twice, once for General and one for Advanced settings. [02:38] The icon name is too similar as well. [02:38] Bluetooth is missing an icon. Dunno if that's going to be changed. My Settings menu still has one. [02:39] ok point taken i cant beleive i missed all that [02:39] And my current menu also seems to be missing the "Launch Feedback" module. So all users will be stuck with a bouncing cursor and won't be able to switch it of. [02:39] If left in it's current state of course. [02:40] omeow: have you created bugs for this? [02:40] ;) [02:40] cant we just name it language and than other one accessibility [02:40] thats up to the developers [02:40] I mentioned it to Riddell and he said these issues where known. So I don't think I need to file bugs then. [02:41] right now, those images are for the Knot 2 release. Which is occuring here pretty soon..within the next 12 hours [02:41] ok [02:41] niKsternal: thats easy enough. [02:41] I have to get that page complete and then hand it over so it can get posted ;) [02:41] im sitting in class as well, not paying attention, (like usual) === gnomefreak sitting here waiting to go to bed [02:42] I'm quite anxious to learn how the menu is going to end up though. [02:42] To make the search work on both pages. [02:43] The only way I can see it working properly is to make the icons for those General and Advanced buttons turn gray as well. [02:43] (or light up of course) [02:46] If you don't mind getting more feedback; I don't see the point of having the trashbin accessible through the desktop and through the taskbar. Ask yourself, do you open that thing a lot? [02:47] the whole reason of the screenshots for a release is for people who don't want to install the unstable version right now..and yes we want the feedback, and have setup a feedback page [02:47] Where's that page? [02:48] hidden right now until the release is complete [02:48] Ok. [02:48] You mean knot2? [02:48] crimsun: you take a look at those? if so, you think they are ok? [02:48] yes omeow [02:48] Ok. [02:49] niKsternal: a bit difficult in a text environment. [02:49] ahhh [02:49] no problem...enjoy your term session ;) [02:50] i can png2ascii them for you ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves tiredly [03:11] good morning Hobbsee :) === Hobbsee is finally *starting* to wake up - after two hours of class. [03:15] so your not ready for all the work for you today than? [03:15] ;) [03:15] gnomefreak: hah. well, seeing as i have no decent classes for the next 5 hours.... [03:15] gnomefreak: what's my work for today? [03:16] we were talking about some changes to the sys settings menu but i dont know if you do that or not [03:16] gnomefreak: i dont code it, but i'm happy to have a say in it :) [03:17] well like right now regional lang and regional accessibilty changing them to language and accessiblity? [03:18] little things :) [03:18] ah yes, i noticed that. [03:18] i think i noticed that a while ago too, just didnt do anything about it [03:19] i stayed up toi let you in on that since knot 2 is coming out in a day :) [03:19] gnomefreak: true that [03:19] keep the purple and im happy :) [03:19] gnomefreak: what do regions have to do with accessibility anyway? [03:19] hehe === Hobbsee hugs her purple [03:19] hehe good point [03:20] i'm wondering at our session manager setting - why it's in advanced. [03:20] whos the coder? [03:21] morning all [03:21] morning [03:21] gnomefreak: _Sime [03:21] hey freeflying [03:22] ah [03:24] we could probably stick "date and time" under advanced - ntp updates it automatically anyway [03:24] in fact, we definetly can, as right clicking on the clock will let you change it anyway [03:25] probably advanced should be for "all the modules from everywhere, in one place" === danimo [n=danimo@212.44.192.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-247-172.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.115.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@32.Red-83-56-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu [03:59] ^^ still needs some work..when i get home after class i will get it finished... [03:59] going to add amarok as well...anything that has umph you think we should add? [04:02] niKsternal: battery icons have changed/are changing, iirc [04:02] they will..but that is how they will look for knot 2 [04:02] right [04:02] they should be changed for knot 3 though ;) [04:02] i have fixed images for the volume up and mute as well at home [04:03] when i get home i will knock that out..get amarok on there..and doctor up some of the stuff as well [04:03] show should i contact with that info so when they do the release announcement, they have our info? [04:03] that last sentence made no sense [04:03] haha, who not show ;) [04:05] we are learning ssh right now ;) [04:05] fun === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] ooh, pretty :) [04:12] new konqueror. one of the images is still bright blue though! [04:13] that is the latest konqi though..i took it tonight before class [04:13] i don't think the new images made it in before the freeze [04:13] i'm not sure [04:13] freeze only came in last night [04:13] the ones imbrandon did right? [04:14] not sure === Hobbsee loosk for some power [04:14] hehe === omeoww [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] _Sime: ping? [04:27] Hobbsee: i msg'd Kamion with that page info, as it seems he is the one who releases the announcments..i linked him to that page..hope that was ok ;) [04:27] niKsternal: ah right, cool [04:27] i need to get krdc working with my firewall and router at home too...i can't stand using fedora anymore [04:29] alright...time to head home here in a few..bbiab [04:30] Jucato: ah, you are here too :P [04:30] yep! sitting in and keeping quiet :-D [04:30] hah === Hobbsee wonders what quiet is === Jucato thinks "quiet" means silently watching the conversation and laughing... :-D [04:31] ryanakca: you have a weird and warped system. [04:31] ryanakca: i cant reproduce that kpager bug [04:31] Hobbsee: lol [04:31] ryanakca: oh, wait [04:32] ive seen something similar to that before though, if not the same thing [04:32] ryanakca: does that happen with a new user? [04:32] erm... just a sec === Hobbsee counts [04:32] ryanakca: sec is up :P [04:33] lol === ryanakca creates a new user account === liera [n=liera@32.Red-83-56-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] gah. what do we do with translation bugs? is there anywhere we can throw them at rosetta-type people, and say "deal with this?" [04:37] what kind of bug ? [04:38] we should fix https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/19767 [04:38] Malone bug 19767 in kdebase "Kde help search fails too quietly if htdig is not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:38] imbrandon: this time? bugs with the polish translation === ryanakca loves his purple [04:38] at least the second half of that bug. [04:39] bug as in what , its not translated yet or translated wrong ? [04:39] assign the polish translation team === Jucato thinks he will learn to love purple very soon... [04:41] and no nixternal the images havent been created yet, so whats in there now WILL be in knot2 [04:41] just becosue its a freeze dosent mean there were some still updated and some still on the buildd's [04:42] untill the images are made ( e.g iso's ) its game === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] Riddell: for some reason top-right-konqueror.png dident get patched in ( open konqui and you'll see ) [04:44] i'm off to bed for a while before i kill someone [04:44] Hobbsee: I think it's my messed up system [04:44] gnight nixternal / Hobbsee [04:45] Hobbsee: I'll look more into it in the morning [04:45] ryanakca: right, okay. want to reject teh bug? [04:45] night imbrandon === imbrandon mumbles about stupid fskin upsteam developers before he toddles off to bed [04:46] sure... and kdm is messed up too... I see part of my screen (like part of my kde session last time I logged out) beneath the glassy login part... even when I start a new session or reboot [04:46] imbrandon: heh, which one? [04:47] some stupid igorant ones that dont think we should change the defaults for ANYTHING, i mean we're a fucking distro we have the right to, not only that we've been doing it 2+ years === imbrandon grumbles [04:48] long story , lets just say it all started over an app that has its "tray icon" turned on by default in kubuntu-default-settings [04:48] imbrandon: ahhhh.... [04:48] and i'm highy fucking pissed over the way upstream reacted when they "found out" we change the defaults of most apps [04:49] not like ever fucking distro on the planet dosent do that === Hobbsee sends imbrandon to bed. [04:49] grrrr [04:49] s/ever/every [04:49] imbrandon: which package was this, btw? === Hobbsee makes a note to be careful of that upstream [04:49] sho [04:49] becouse we change the default to make the icon show in the fucking system tray [04:50] i got into an arguement with him for 2 hours about it [04:50] fuck it, its fucking open souce, man i'm seeing rfucking red === imbrandon beds [04:51] ah === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:52] it's probably not the wisest idea in the world to get into arguments with people who have been staying up most of the time to finish off an app for release. [04:52] thats not the point [04:53] true, but it's not helping [04:53] and thats not the whole story [04:53] Hobbsee: how would you know ? it actualy DID help === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] grrr i'm too fucking pissed i'll explain later [04:53] indeed. [04:53] gnight [04:54] night === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.108.189] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] wow, he was a little mad to say the least... [05:54] heh. true that === Hobbsee shrugs [05:54] i wonder what was said [05:56] i could only imagine..but i try to stay away from situations like that [05:56] People tend to become rather defensive regarding their works. [05:58] It's sad that that particular upstream doesn't see the value-add. [06:00] i like the icon in the task bar, and truthfully, wouldn't have any other way [06:01] it flashes to let me know i have been hilighted === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu [07:30] ^^ review needed please [07:36] oh no the orange is invading kubuntu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu [08:21] doctored up, i think about ready to go [08:24] yop nixternal [08:25] just read the log, imbrandon got crazy last night :) === Tonio_ wonders what happened exactly [08:25] lol [08:26] and mostly I wonder what application :) [08:26] maybe I changed that famous setting he got fucked up for ;) [08:26] konversation i believe [08:31] nixternal: I changed that indeed :) [08:32] hehe [08:32] [General Options] [08:32] ShowTrayIcon=true [08:32] TrayNotify=true [08:32] TrayNotifyOnlyOwnNick=true [08:32] hehe, that's me ;) [08:32] keep it, i like it ;) [08:33] so does imbrandon as well [08:33] I don't understand why are those developpers doing opensource if they don't accept that we change the settings [08:33] don't use gpl in that case [08:33] that's completly stupid === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] i agree with you 200% on that [08:34] we didn't change the source one bit [08:34] we just tweaked a "local" setting [08:34] that's obvious [08:34] true [08:35] and even if we did patch the source, where is the problem ? [08:35] what is the need of the source code if not patching it [08:35] if the goal is not to touch anything, use a proprietary licence and that's it [08:36] yup [08:36] there has to be more behind it though [08:36] probably yes [08:49] <_Sime> is it just me that always wants to change konq from Icon view to Details view and gets annoyed that there isn't a button for that on the toolbar? === nixternal too [08:52] <_Sime> I just want an Icon View button and a Details View button in Konq, and its just not there and I just can't get that configured. [08:52] wow dapper -> edgy is nearly a Gb [08:52] i have looked at it..and just did again..and you can't even customize the toolbar to add a "view" section at all [08:54] <_Sime> no you can't. It's sucky like that. === _Sime hopes that this can be fixed for Edgy. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] _Sime: yes, there is no button for this.... I should have a look at that === Tonio_ notes that on todo === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:30] <_Sime> cool === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54954A33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:53] hmmm..it seems recent updates broke vmware..is this true for anyone else? === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] has anyone tried to use lvm recently for an install? [10:19] in dapper or edgy? [10:19] edgy [10:19] not fo an edgy install sorry [10:19] ditto [10:19] but last check the UUID= stuff and raid/lvm didnt get alon [10:19] but that was a couple weeks ago [10:19] it only seems to allow 1 lvm partition which kind of defeats the purpose of using lvm === shining [n=xav@AFontenayssB-152-1-76-32.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:22] oh cool. konvi UVF exception got almost-approved [10:23] did anyone experience klipper crash on startup? [10:23] shining: Tonio_ mentioned it yesterday, i believe [10:24] is this kubuntu specific? [10:24] I didn't experience it before, thus I was hesitating to report it to upstream [10:24] did he report anything? [10:25] i'm not sure. my brain needs a reboot [10:25] yes, he did === Hobbsee takes out her brain, shakes it, and puts it back in again [10:25] maybe not upstream though [10:25] lol [10:25] is your brain still running windows? [10:25] no, i'ts running linux. but it's very, very tired. [10:26] maybe you should hibernate it then [10:26] i wish [10:29] shining: yes it is a known problem [10:29] shining: workarround for the moment is to delete ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc [10:29] is it reproducable in vanilla kde? [10:30] that'll work, but that'll recrash as soon as you set paremeters to it [10:30] shining: I'm unsure, but it hasn't been reported to kde afaik [10:30] I never experienced this on debian [10:30] shining: this is one of the top priority bugs to fix before release [10:30] ok [10:30] shining: and how about debian + 3.5.4 ? [10:30] yes [10:30] I was using 3.5.4 [10:31] I'm almost certain it is a kubuntu issue in fact but due to a kind of bug in klipperrc code [10:31] oh wait, I missed something [10:31] in fact klipper fails to load the config file when passed as a parameter [10:31] why is there a klipperrc, I didn't configure anything in klipper [10:31] segfault [10:31] ah [10:32] shining: kde creates the config via startkde [10:32] that's kde, not kubuntu [10:32] it is one of the file created with the kde configuration [10:32] the error appeared arround 20 august, we should focus the changes done those days to figure out what changed [10:32] we didn't have any issue before [10:33] I assume a patch in kdebase or kdelibs can cause this [10:33] oh, right, something did happen in kubuntu then :) it already had 3.5.4 before this date, right? [10:33] yes, and it worked [10:33] the problem is knot2 will have the issue [10:34] it can't be delayed? [10:34] no [10:34] nope [10:34] Tonio_: have the cds already been built yet? guess they have [10:34] but knot unstable isn"t an issue [10:34] the point is stable edgy final [10:34] and I hope it'll get fixed before release [10:35] the error occured between 14th and 21th of august [10:35] so is it reproducable after kde has been started again ? is it possible to give a config file as parameter on cli? [10:36] we should look at the chagelogs in kdebase, kdelibs and maybe kdeutils in that period [10:36] shining: it should crash as long as the config file is given as parameter [10:36] it wont if you juste launch klipper [10:36] but [10:37] without any parameter, the config file is read and used [10:37] that's the tricky part :) [10:37] yes, that's weird [10:37] that's sucks you mean :) [10:37] a parameter doesn't need to be given for it to read the config file [10:37] Tonio_: what happens if you axe the config file, sorry? [10:37] shining: true, but I suspect kdelibs to give the files as parameters when using a desktop file to launch the app [10:38] Hobbsee: crash === gaelduval [n=gaelduva@ulteo/founder/gaelduval] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [10:38] shining: the point is launching klipper via konsole works, but via desktop file fails [10:38] Tonio_: ahh, right [10:38] how does the run command work? it uses a desktop file as well? [10:38] I tried to play with the desktop file, it doesn't help [10:38] I must say I'm a bit lost on that point [10:38] what could be interesting is trying an old klipper on edgy [10:38] or maybe building it from svn [10:38] and figure out what happens [10:39] shining: nope, the command uses the binary [10:39] directly [10:39] not the desktop file [10:39] it crash there too [10:39] I saw it in the bug report and tried [10:39] the point is that if it was an error in kdelibs, that wouldn't touch only klipper [10:39] that's why I'm getting lsot [10:39] lost [10:40] I suspect the error is somehow in klipper code, but appears in a very specific case we have "discovered" [10:41] todays alternate fails on base install [10:41] Hobbsee: I have all the fixes for katapult, so the 2 remaining bugs are now the klipper one and the sata optical devices one [10:41] Tonio_: nice! :) [10:42] Hobbsee: I just wait for knot2 freeze to end to upload [10:42] Tonio_: yeah, sensible, otherwise mithandir will have your head. [10:42] k-s-s now builds too and I have a package ready for upload [10:42] k-s-s? k-system-settings or something? [10:42] and kds with a few improvements too :) [10:42] Hobbsee: yes, kde-systemsettings [10:43] Tonio_: right, yep [10:43] Tonio_: nice :D [10:43] next step for me will be that klipper bug === Hobbsee ndos [10:43] *nods [10:43] smart === seaLne wonders when knot2 is supposed to come out if the dailys still don't work [10:43] and probably contact ervin concerning the sata devices problem, since it is probably too complicated for us to fix [10:44] sealne, I honnesly don't understand the need of knot versions [10:44] it is lost time for final release [10:44] morning Riddell [10:45] aren't they supposed to be known working for more widespread testing? [10:45] and when the release schedule is only 4 month, it is probably not a great idea than freezing everything for 3 days, 3 times :) [10:45] morning Hobbsee [10:45] seaLne: well, it is nice to test installers, but concerning the distro, everyone than wants to test can install dapper and upgrade... [10:45] I don't see the point [10:45] Riddell: yop ;) [10:46] seaLne: but forget this, I'm just in a bad mood today [10:46] ;) [10:46] so are you planning on swearing lots in the channel aswell? ;-) [10:47] seaLne: that's an idea [10:47] ;) === Tonio_ just noticed Riddell didn't respond :'( [10:49] seaLne: how can I be in a good mood if even here I'm getting ignored... === Tonio_ feels alone [10:49] what was that? [10:49] seaLne: hu ? [10:49] nm [10:50] network-manager ? [10:50] I don't understand seaLne :) === seaLne is in a good mood anyway as he now has a new desktop at work [10:50] seaLne: and I am obliged to sell my desktop [10:50] nm == never mind, i was just being sarcastic [10:51] my girlfriend's appartment is too little for my 2 desktops and 2 laptops....... [10:51] :'( huuuuuuuuuuuu :'( === Tonio_ should have kept is appartment === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] heh, my place was to small for my girlfriend...should of kept the dog instead [10:55] far simpler being single :-/ [10:55] yes it is [10:55] hehe [10:57] Tonio_: did not respond to what? [10:57] Riddell: to my "yop" ;) [10:57] hehe [10:57] Tonio_: I have no idea what a yop is, other than a yoguhart drink [10:57] so there was one commit at 18 Aug and one at 20 Aug [10:57] Riddell: a french frendly way to say "hello" [10:58] but forget this, I'm just crappy today ^^ [10:58] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu rolled up and ready, passed on to Mithrandir, and will be published in the announcement [10:59] nixternal: how about the freeze ? when will it officially end ? [10:59] couldn't tell you that, but i know they are working out the final kinks before releasing knot 2 now [10:59] nixternal: great [11:00] alrighty, the clock just struck 4am..time for some zzzz's [11:00] g'nite all [11:00] yop yop Tonio_ [11:00] okay let's go, I have to give back the keys of my appartment... [11:00] nixternal: perfect, good stuff [11:00] thx [11:00] Riddell: :-D [11:00] nixternal: incrediable job!!!! [11:00] thanks allee [11:01] nixternal: very nice job indeed ! [11:01]