[12:25] <jdong|coreduo> meh, can't hurt too much
[12:38] <imbrandon> jdong|coreduo: your pbuilder should only have what a default dapper install has if your doing it for a main application
[12:39] <imbrandon> really depends on what your building
[12:39] <jdong|coreduo> imbrandon: backports
[12:39] <imbrandon> well if infinity cahnges soyuz to use universe then its all gravy
[12:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:39] <jdong|coreduo> :)
[12:39] <imbrandon> but i imagine he wont untill after knot 2 ships
[12:40] <kwwii_> night all, time for sleep
[12:40] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii_
[12:40] <kwwii_> imbrandon: dude, are you on crank? How do you stay up all day?
[12:40] <imbrandon> hahaha i dont, i nap alot
[12:41] <kwwii_> amazing
[12:41] <imbrandon> when i'm idle waiting for something to compile i nap ;)
[12:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:41] <kwwii_> well, /me goes to sleep now
[12:41] <kwwii_> see you tomorrow
[12:41] <imbrandon> cya 
[01:05] <jdong> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=247456
[01:05] <jdong> you've got to be kidding me
[01:08] <Lathiat> lol
[01:25] <ryanakca> imbrandon: when?
[01:25] <imbrandon> .....
[01:25] <imbrandon> when what ?
[01:25] <ryanakca> 
[01:25] <ryanakca> banned them when?
[01:26] <imbrandon> heh yesterday
[01:27] <ryanakca> jdong|coreduo: lol... popcorn... give me a break
[01:31] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[01:31] <imbrandon> ryanakca: 
[01:31] <imbrandon> [Wed Aug 30 2006]  [07:18:52]  <imbrandon> btw moins all 
[01:31] <imbrandon> [Wed Aug 30 2006]  [07:19:27]  <Riddell> unicode smileys are now banned here
[01:31] <imbrandon> [Wed Aug 30 2006]  [07:19:31]  <Riddell> cos I say so
[01:32] <imbrandon> [Wed Aug 30 2006]  [07:19:52]  <Hobbsee> woo!
[01:32] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:34] <ryanakca> lol
[01:34] <ryanakca> so today 
[01:34] <ryanakca> I was grepping for "Tue"
[01:35] <ryanakca> fine.. ruin my fun
[01:35] <ryanakca> it should be able to only autoreplace in certain channels 
[01:35] <ryanakca> oops
[01:35] <ryanakca> ;)
[01:57] <imbrandon> Riddell:  ping
[01:57] <imbrandon> i need some "assitance" real fast, i know its late but its kinda semi urgent
[02:34] <niKsternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/release/
[02:34] <niKsternal> do those images look ok?  i am using them for the release as long as they are good
[02:35] <crimsun> a gallery would be great.
[02:35] <crimsun> meaning thumbnails on one page
[02:35] <niKsternal> ya, you get that...i dont' have access to creating one from class ;)
[02:36] <niKsternal> im sitting here learning about Linux right now
[02:36] <omeow> I still think the System Settings menu is wrong.
[02:36] <niKsternal> we know it is..it still needs to be fixed
[02:37] <omeow> Ok. :) 
[02:37] <gnomefreak> wrong?
[02:37] <omeow> Yeah.
[02:37] <gnomefreak> define wrong it looks normal to me
[02:37] <omeow> Regional & Language and Regional & Accessibility share the same icon.
[02:38] <gnomefreak> true i didnt even see that
[02:38] <omeow> If a user wants to search for something, he'll have to search the settings page twice, once for General and one for Advanced settings.
[02:38] <omeow> The icon name is too similar as well.
[02:38] <omeow> Bluetooth is missing an icon. Dunno if that's going to be changed. My Settings menu still has one.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> ok point taken i cant beleive i missed all that
[02:39] <omeow> And my current menu also seems to be missing the "Launch Feedback" module. So all users will be stuck with a bouncing cursor and won't be able to switch it of.
[02:39] <omeow> If left in it's current state of course.
[02:40] <niKsternal> omeow: have you created bugs for this?
[02:40] <niKsternal> ;)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> cant we just name it language and than other one accessibility
[02:40] <niKsternal> thats up to the developers
[02:40] <omeow> I mentioned it to Riddell and he said these issues where known. So I don't think I need to file bugs then.
[02:41] <niKsternal> right now, those images are for the Knot 2 release. Which is occuring here pretty soon..within the next 12 hours
[02:41] <omeow> ok
[02:41] <gnomefreak> niKsternal: thats easy enough. 
[02:41] <niKsternal> I have to get that page complete and then hand it over so it can get posted ;)
[02:41] <niKsternal> im sitting in class as well, not paying attention, (like usual)
[02:42] <omeow> I'm quite anxious to learn how the menu is going to end up though.
[02:42] <omeow> To make the search work on both pages.
[02:43] <omeow> The only way I can see it working properly is to make the icons for those General and Advanced buttons turn gray as well.
[02:43] <omeow> (or light up of course)
[02:46] <omeow> If you don't mind getting more feedback; I don't see the point of having the trashbin accessible through the desktop and through the taskbar. Ask yourself, do you open that thing a lot?
[02:47] <niKsternal> the whole reason of the screenshots for a release is for people who don't want to install the unstable version right now..and yes we want the feedback, and have setup a feedback page
[02:47] <omeow> Where's that page?
[02:48] <niKsternal> hidden right now until the release is complete
[02:48] <omeow> Ok.
[02:48] <omeow> You mean knot2?
[02:48] <niKsternal> crimsun: you take a look at those?  if so, you think they are ok?
[02:48] <niKsternal> yes omeow
[02:48] <omeow> Ok.
[02:49] <crimsun> niKsternal: a bit difficult in a text environment.
[02:49] <niKsternal> ahhh
[02:49] <niKsternal> no problem...enjoy your term session ;)
[02:50] <niKsternal> i can png2ascii them for you ;)
[03:11] <gnomefreak> good morning Hobbsee :)
[03:15] <gnomefreak> so your not ready for all the work for you today than? 
[03:15] <gnomefreak> ;)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hah.  well, seeing as i have no decent classes for the next 5 hours....
[03:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what's my work for today?
[03:16] <gnomefreak> we were talking about some changes to the sys settings menu but i dont know if you do that or not
[03:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i dont code it, but i'm happy to have a say in it :)
[03:17] <gnomefreak> well like right now regional lang and regional accessibilty  changing them to language and accessiblity?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> little things :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i noticed that.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i think i noticed that a while ago too, just didnt do anything about it
[03:19] <gnomefreak> i stayed up toi let you in on that since knot 2 is coming out in a day :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: true that
[03:19] <gnomefreak> keep the purple and im happy :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what do regions have to do with accessibility anyway?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:19] <gnomefreak> hehe good point
[03:20] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering at our session manager setting - why it's in advanced.
[03:20] <gnomefreak> whos the coder?
[03:21] <freeflying> morning all
[03:21] <gnomefreak> morning
[03:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: _Sime 
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[03:22] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:24] <Hobbsee> we could probably stick "date and time" under advanced - ntp updates it automatically anyway
[03:24] <Hobbsee> in fact, we definetly can, as right clicking on the clock will let you change it anyway
[03:25] <Hobbsee> probably advanced should be for "all the modules from everywhere, in one place"
[03:59] <niKsternal> Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[03:59] <niKsternal> ^^ still needs some work..when i get home after class i will get it finished...
[03:59] <niKsternal> going to add amarok as well...anything that has umph you think we should add?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> niKsternal: battery icons have changed/are changing, iirc
[04:02] <niKsternal> they will..but that is how they will look for knot 2
[04:02] <Hobbsee> right
[04:02] <niKsternal> they should be changed for knot 3 though ;)
[04:02] <niKsternal> i have fixed images for the volume up and mute as well at home
[04:03] <niKsternal> when i get home i will knock that out..get amarok on there..and doctor up some of the stuff as well
[04:03] <niKsternal> show should i contact with that info so when they do the release announcement, they have our info?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> that last sentence made no sense
[04:03] <niKsternal> haha, who not show ;)
[04:05] <niKsternal> we are learning ssh right now ;)
[04:05] <niKsternal> fun
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ooh, pretty :)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> new konqueror.  one of the images is still bright blue though!
[04:13] <niKsternal> that is the latest konqi though..i took it tonight before class
[04:13] <niKsternal> i don't think the new images made it in before the freeze
[04:13] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[04:13] <Hobbsee> freeze only came in last night
[04:13] <niKsternal> the ones imbrandon did right?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> not sure
[04:14] <niKsternal> hehe
[04:23] <Hobbsee> _Sime: ping?
[04:27] <niKsternal> Hobbsee: i msg'd Kamion with that page info, as it seems he is the one who releases the announcments..i linked him to that page..hope that was ok ;)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> niKsternal: ah right, cool
[04:27] <niKsternal> i need to get krdc working with my firewall and router at home too...i can't stand using fedora anymore
[04:29] <niKsternal> alright...time to head home here in a few..bbiab
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah, you are here too :P
[04:30] <Jucato> yep! sitting in and keeping quiet :-D
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you have a weird and warped system.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i cant reproduce that kpager bug
[04:31] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh, wait
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ive seen something similar to that before though, if not the same thing
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does that happen with a new user?
[04:32] <ryanakca> erm... just a sec
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: sec is up :P
[04:33] <ryanakca> lol
[04:36] <Hobbsee> gah.  what do we do with translation bugs?  is there anywhere we can throw them at rosetta-type people, and say "deal with this?"
[04:37] <imbrandon> what kind of bug ?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> we should fix https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/19767
[04:38] <Ubug2> Malone bug 19767 in kdebase "Kde help search fails too quietly  if htdig is not installed" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[04:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: this time?  bugs with the polish translation
[04:38] <Hobbsee> at least the second half of that bug.
[04:39] <imbrandon> bug as in what , its not translated yet or translated wrong ?
[04:39] <imbrandon> assign the polish translation team
[04:41] <imbrandon> and no nixternal the images havent been created yet, so whats in there now WILL be in knot2
[04:41] <imbrandon> just becosue its a freeze dosent mean there were some still updated and some still on the buildd's
[04:42] <imbrandon> untill the images are made ( e.g iso's ) its game
[04:44] <imbrandon> Riddell: for some reason top-right-konqueror.png dident get patched in ( open konqui and you'll see ) 
[04:44] <imbrandon> i'm off to bed for a while before i kill someone 
[04:44] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I think it's my messed up system
[04:44] <imbrandon> gnight nixternal / Hobbsee
[04:45] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'll look more into it in the morning
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: right, okay.  want to reject teh bug?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[04:46] <ryanakca> sure... and kdm is messed up too... I see part of my screen (like part of my kde session last time I logged out) beneath the glassy login part... even when I start a new session or reboot
[04:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh, which one?
[04:47] <imbrandon> some stupid igorant ones that dont think we should change the defaults for ANYTHING, i mean we're a fucking distro we have the right to, not only that we've been doing it 2+ years
[04:48] <imbrandon> long story , lets just say it all started over an app that has its "tray icon" turned on by default in kubuntu-default-settings 
[04:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhhh....
[04:48] <imbrandon> and i'm highy fucking pissed over the way upstream reacted when they "found out" we change the defaults of most apps
[04:49] <imbrandon> not like ever fucking distro on the planet dosent do that
[04:49] <imbrandon> grrrr
[04:49] <imbrandon> s/ever/every
[04:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: which package was this, btw?
[04:49] <imbrandon> sho
[04:49] <imbrandon> becouse we change the default to make the icon show in the fucking system tray
[04:50] <imbrandon> i got into an arguement with him for 2 hours about it
[04:50] <imbrandon> fuck it, its fucking open souce, man i'm seeing rfucking red
[04:51] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:52] <Hobbsee> it's probably not the wisest idea in the world to get into arguments with people who have been staying up most of the time to finish off an app for release.
[04:52] <imbrandon> thats not the point
[04:53] <Hobbsee> true, but it's not helping
[04:53] <imbrandon> and thats not the whole story
[04:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: how would you know ? it actualy DID help
[04:53] <imbrandon> grrr i'm too fucking pissed i'll explain later
[04:53] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:53] <imbrandon> gnight
[04:54] <Hobbsee> night
[05:53] <nixternal> wow, he was a little mad to say the least...
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heh.  true that
[05:54] <Hobbsee> i wonder what was said
[05:56] <nixternal> i could only imagine..but i try to stay away from situations like that
[05:56] <crimsun> People tend to become rather defensive regarding their works.
[05:58] <crimsun> It's sad that that particular upstream doesn't see the value-add.
[06:00] <nixternal> i like the icon in the task bar, and truthfully, wouldn't have any other way
[06:01] <nixternal> it flashes to let me know i have been hilighted
[07:30] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[07:30] <nixternal> ^^ review needed please
[07:36] <Lathiat> oh no the orange is invading kubuntu
[08:21] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[08:21] <nixternal> doctored up, i think about ready to go
[08:24] <Tonio_> yop nixternal
[08:25] <Tonio_> just read the log, imbrandon got crazy last night :)
[08:25] <nixternal> lol
[08:26] <Tonio_> and mostly I wonder what application :)
[08:26] <Tonio_> maybe I changed that famous setting he got fucked up for ;)
[08:26] <nixternal> konversation i believe
[08:31] <Tonio_> nixternal: I changed that indeed :)
[08:32] <nixternal> hehe
[08:32] <Tonio_> [General Options] 
[08:32] <Tonio_> ShowTrayIcon=true
[08:32] <Tonio_> TrayNotify=true
[08:32] <Tonio_> TrayNotifyOnlyOwnNick=true
[08:32] <Tonio_> hehe, that's me ;)
[08:32] <nixternal> keep it, i like it ;)
[08:33] <nixternal> so does imbrandon as well
[08:33] <Tonio_> I don't understand why are those developpers doing opensource if they don't accept that we change the settings
[08:33] <Tonio_> don't use gpl in that case
[08:33] <Tonio_> that's completly stupid
[08:34] <nixternal> i agree with you 200% on that
[08:34] <nixternal> we didn't change the source one bit
[08:34] <nixternal> we just tweaked a "local" setting
[08:34] <Tonio_> that's obvious
[08:34] <Tonio_> true
[08:35] <Tonio_> and even if we did patch the source, where is the problem ?
[08:35] <Tonio_> what is the need of the source code if not patching it
[08:35] <Tonio_> if the goal is not to touch anything, use a proprietary licence and that's it
[08:36] <nixternal> yup
[08:36] <nixternal> there has to be more behind it though
[08:36] <Tonio_> probably yes
[08:49] <_Sime> is it just me that always wants to change konq from Icon view to Details view and gets annoyed that there isn't a button for that on the toolbar?
[08:52] <_Sime> I just want an Icon View button and a Details View button in Konq, and its just not there and I just can't get that configured.
[08:52] <seaLne> wow dapper -> edgy is nearly a Gb
[08:52] <nixternal> i have looked at it..and just did again..and you can't even customize the toolbar to add a "view" section at all
[08:54] <_Sime> no you can't. It's sucky like that.
[09:14] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes, there is no button for this.... I should have a look at that
[09:30] <_Sime> cool
[09:53] <nixternal> hmmm..it seems recent updates broke vmware..is this true for anyone else?
[10:18] <seaLne> has anyone tried to use lvm recently for an install?
[10:19] <Lathiat> in dapper or edgy?
[10:19] <seaLne> edgy
[10:19] <Hobbsee> not fo an edgy install sorry
[10:19] <Lathiat> ditto
[10:19] <Lathiat> but last check the UUID= stuff and raid/lvm didnt get alon
[10:19] <Lathiat> but that was a couple weeks ago
[10:19] <seaLne> it only seems to allow 1 lvm partition which kind of defeats the purpose of using lvm
[10:22] <Hobbsee> oh cool.  konvi UVF exception got almost-approved
[10:23] <shining> did anyone experience klipper crash on startup?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> shining: Tonio_ mentioned it yesterday, i believe
[10:24] <shining> is this kubuntu specific?
[10:24] <shining> I didn't experience it before, thus I was hesitating to report it to upstream
[10:24] <shining> did he report anything?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure.  my brain needs a reboot
[10:25] <shining> yes, he did
[10:25] <shining> maybe not upstream though
[10:25] <shining> lol
[10:25] <shining> is your brain still running windows?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> no, i'ts running linux.  but it's very, very tired.
[10:26] <shining> maybe you should hibernate it then
[10:26] <Hobbsee> i wish
[10:29] <Tonio_> shining: yes it is a known problem
[10:29] <Tonio_> shining: workarround for the moment is to delete ~/.kde/share/config/klipperrc
[10:29] <shining> is it reproducable in vanilla kde?
[10:30] <Tonio_> that'll work, but that'll recrash as soon as you set paremeters to it
[10:30] <Tonio_> shining: I'm unsure, but it hasn't been reported to kde afaik
[10:30] <shining> I never experienced this on debian
[10:30] <Tonio_> shining: this is one of the top priority bugs to fix before release
[10:30] <shining> ok
[10:30] <Tonio_> shining: and how about debian + 3.5.4 ?
[10:30] <shining> yes
[10:30] <shining> I was using 3.5.4
[10:31] <Tonio_> I'm almost certain it is a kubuntu issue in fact but due to a kind of bug in klipperrc code
[10:31] <shining> oh wait, I missed something
[10:31] <Tonio_> in fact klipper fails to load the config file when passed as a parameter
[10:31] <shining> why is there a klipperrc, I didn't configure anything in klipper
[10:31] <Tonio_> segfault
[10:31] <shining> ah
[10:32] <Tonio_> shining: kde creates the config via startkde
[10:32] <Tonio_> that's kde, not kubuntu
[10:32] <Tonio_> it is one of the file created with the kde configuration
[10:32] <Tonio_> the error appeared arround 20 august, we should focus the changes done those days to figure out what changed
[10:32] <Tonio_> we didn't have any issue before
[10:33] <Tonio_> I assume a patch in kdebase or kdelibs can cause this
[10:33] <shining> oh, right, something did happen in kubuntu then :) it already had 3.5.4 before this date, right?
[10:33] <Tonio_> yes, and it worked
[10:33] <Tonio_> the problem is knot2 will have the issue
[10:34] <shining> it can't be delayed?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> no
[10:34] <Tonio_> nope
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have the cds already been built yet?  guess they have
[10:34] <Tonio_> but knot unstable isn"t an issue
[10:34] <Tonio_> the point is stable edgy final
[10:34] <Tonio_> and I hope it'll get fixed before release
[10:35] <Tonio_> the error occured between 14th and 21th of august
[10:35] <shining> so is it reproducable after kde has been started again ? is it possible to give a config file as parameter on cli?
[10:36] <Tonio_> we should look at the chagelogs in kdebase, kdelibs and maybe kdeutils in that period
[10:36] <Tonio_> shining: it should crash as long as the config file is given as parameter
[10:36] <Tonio_> it wont if you juste launch klipper
[10:36] <shining> but
[10:37] <Tonio_> without any parameter, the config file is read and used
[10:37] <Tonio_> that's the tricky part :)
[10:37] <shining> yes, that's weird
[10:37] <Tonio_> that's sucks you mean :)
[10:37] <shining> a parameter doesn't need to be given for it to read the config file
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what happens if you axe the config file, sorry?
[10:37] <Tonio_> shining: true, but I suspect kdelibs to give the files as parameters when using a desktop file to launch the app
[10:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: crash
[10:38] <Tonio_> shining: the point is launching klipper via konsole works, but via desktop file fails
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh, right
[10:38] <shining> how does the run command work? it uses a desktop file as well?
[10:38] <Tonio_> I tried to play with the desktop file, it doesn't help
[10:38] <Tonio_> I must say I'm a bit lost on that point
[10:38] <Tonio_> what could be interesting is trying an old klipper on edgy
[10:38] <Tonio_> or maybe building it from svn
[10:38] <Tonio_> and figure out what happens
[10:39] <Tonio_> shining: nope, the command uses the binary
[10:39] <Tonio_> directly
[10:39] <Tonio_> not the desktop file
[10:39] <shining> it crash there too
[10:39] <shining> I saw it in the bug report and tried
[10:39] <Tonio_> the point is that if it was an error in kdelibs, that wouldn't touch only klipper
[10:39] <Tonio_> that's why I'm getting lsot
[10:39] <Tonio_> lost
[10:40] <Tonio_> I suspect the error is somehow in klipper code, but appears in a very specific case we have "discovered"
[10:41] <seaLne> todays alternate fails on base install
[10:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I have all the fixes for katapult, so the 2 remaining bugs are now the klipper one and the sata optical devices one
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice!  :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I just wait for knot2 freeze to end to upload
[10:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, sensible, otherwise mithandir will have your head.  
[10:42] <Tonio_> k-s-s now builds too and I have a package ready for upload
[10:42] <Hobbsee> k-s-s? k-system-settings or something?
[10:42] <Tonio_> and kds with a few improvements too :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, kde-systemsettings
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, yep
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :D
[10:43] <Tonio_> next step for me will be that klipper bug
[10:43] <Hobbsee> *nods
[10:43] <Hobbsee> smart
[10:43] <Tonio_> and probably contact ervin concerning the sata devices problem, since it is probably too complicated for us to fix
[10:44] <Tonio_> sealne, I honnesly don't understand the need of knot versions
[10:44] <Tonio_> it is lost time for final release
[10:44] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[10:45] <seaLne> aren't they supposed to be known working for more widespread testing?
[10:45] <Tonio_> and when the release schedule is only 4 month, it is probably not a great idea than freezing everything for 3 days, 3 times :)
[10:45] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[10:45] <Tonio_> seaLne: well, it is nice to test installers, but concerning the distro, everyone than wants to test can install dapper and upgrade...
[10:45] <Tonio_> I don't see the point
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: yop ;)
[10:46] <Tonio_> seaLne: but forget this, I'm just in a bad mood today
[10:46] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:46] <seaLne> so are you planning on swearing lots in the channel aswell? ;-)
[10:47] <Tonio_> seaLne: that's an idea
[10:47] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:49] <Tonio_> seaLne: how can I be in a good mood if even here I'm getting ignored...
[10:49] <seaLne> what was that?
[10:49] <Tonio_> seaLne: hu ?
[10:49] <seaLne> nm
[10:50] <Tonio_> network-manager ?
[10:50] <Tonio_> I don't understand seaLne :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> seaLne: and I am obliged to sell my desktop
[10:50] <seaLne> nm == never mind, i was just being sarcastic
[10:51] <Tonio_> my girlfriend's appartment is too little for my 2 desktops and 2 laptops.......
[10:51] <Tonio_> :'( huuuuuuuuuuuu :'(
[10:52] <nixternal> heh, my place was to small for my girlfriend...should of kept the dog instead
[10:55] <seaLne> far simpler being single :-/
[10:55] <nixternal> yes it is
[10:55] <nixternal> hehe
[10:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: did not respond to what?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: to my "yop" ;)
[10:57] <Tonio_> hehe
[10:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have no idea what a yop is, other than a yoguhart drink
[10:57] <shining> so there was one commit at 18 Aug and one at 20 Aug
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: a french frendly way to say "hello"
[10:58] <Tonio_> but forget this, I'm just crappy today ^^
[10:58] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu rolled up and ready, passed on to Mithrandir, and will be published in the announcement
[10:59] <Tonio_> nixternal: how about the freeze ? when will it officially end ?
[10:59] <nixternal> couldn't tell you that, but i know they are working out the final kinks before releasing knot 2 now
[10:59] <Tonio_> nixternal: great
[11:00] <nixternal> alrighty, the clock just struck 4am..time for some zzzz's
[11:00] <nixternal> g'nite all
[11:00] <Riddell> yop yop Tonio_ 
[11:00] <Tonio_> okay let's go, I have to give back the keys of my appartment...
[11:00] <Riddell> nixternal: perfect, good stuff
[11:00] <nixternal> thx
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: :-D
[11:00] <allee> nixternal: incrediable job!!!!
[11:00] <nixternal> thanks allee
[11:01] <Tonio_> nixternal: very nice job indeed !
[11:01] <nixternal> if the download url is different, it will need to be changed ;)
[11:01] <nixternal> but i took a stab at the knot-2 as that is how it was for knot-1
[11:01] <nixternal> thanks Tonio_
[11:02] <shining> Tonio_: are these the 2 dates where kdebase could have been broken?
[11:02] <Tonio_> shining: in between those 2 days, yes, certainly
[11:02] <shining> there is something wrong with the date I'm afraid
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about knm
[11:03] <shining> 20th happened before 18th
[11:03] <shining> ubuntu7, then ubuntu8
[11:03] <Tonio_> shouldn't we now ship knetworkmanager by default and giving wlassistant as a replacement in case knm doesn't work ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: knm is widely used and reasonably stable now
[11:04] <Tonio_> should be discussed in the next meeting probably
[11:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: thats up to keybuk really, he has reasons to not ship by default
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:06] <allee> nixternal: do you edit wiki pages with the browser (a pain for me with huge pages) or have you a trick to load/edit/upload via kate?
[11:07] <shining> Tonio_: where can I find the older versions of kdebase and kdelibs?
[11:07] <Tonio_> shining: launchpad
[11:08] <Tonio_> I have to ping sladen concerning the sony vaios laptop buttons, since he now has the solution, but it hasn't been implemented
[11:09] <Tonio_> shining: you will find source packages
[11:09] <Tonio_> I have to go, seya toonight
[11:09] <shining> ok
[11:21] <seaLne> knot1 won't even install on my machine weird i wonder if it dosen't like lvm
[12:20] <shining> oh, fsck it
[12:21] <shining> I rebuilt ubuntu6 packages, only reinstalled klipper, restarted kde, and no crash anymore
[12:21] <shining> and since then, I can't get it to crash again
[12:21] <shining> even after reinstalling the current version
[12:21] <Riddell> one of those crashes
[12:54] <rouzic> Hi Riddell
[12:54] <Riddell> hi rouzic 
[12:55] <rouzic> I am testing due to the fact that I go 2 days that a kernel panic gives me in the macbook on having initiated and am verifying that package can fail.
[12:55] <rouzic> Has some update done 3.5.4 to the kde of kubuntu.org during these 2 days?
[12:56] <Riddell> nothing has changed there
[12:57] <rouzic> Oks, Thanks
[12:58] <rouzic> Probably it is the update of the acpi
[01:00] <Riddell> always a good candidate
[01:00] <Riddell> rouzic: update from where?  dapper-updates/
[01:00] <Riddell> ?
[01:01] <rouzic> yes
[01:01] <Riddell> hmm, that is not good
[01:01] <rouzic> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[01:02] <rouzic> Kernel Panic: Not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs ok unknown-block (8,3)
[01:02] <Riddell> rouzic: report a bug on that and put dapper-updates in the title
[01:03] <rouzic> I have reinstalled 4 times, in one of them actualize the whole system without doing ningun change and this kernel panic returned to appear
[01:03] <rouzic> launchpad?
[01:04] <rouzic> ningun?never
[01:04] <rouzic> =never*
[01:05] <Riddell> rouzic: yes
[01:06] <rouzic> Oks :)
[01:09] <shining> oh, all bots are reconnecting
[01:09] <shining> I'm scared :p
[01:09] <_Sime> who here thinks that the gamma tab in displayconfig is too complex?
[01:10] <Riddell> _Sime: hard to say since I do not really understand what gamma is
[01:10] <shining> who thinks it's useful?
[01:10] <Riddell> it will be useful if you are an artist who knows about colours
[01:10] <_Sime> Riddell: I take that as a vote for "too complex" ;-)
[01:12] <rouzic> Riddell: The package linux-restricted-modules-common?
[01:21] <rouzic> Riddell: I havn't a problem :)
[01:23] <Riddell> what is that?
[01:41] <Tm_T> welcome StyXman 
[01:45] <StyXman> Tm_T: heh
[01:47] <StyXman> ok, so I have a async kio thing working, but seems like it misses the first data() signal.
[01:47] <StyXman> ahm, I'm talking about pykde, sorry
[01:48] <Riddell> hmm, _Sime is the only one who knows about pykde and kioslaves
[01:48] <StyXman> the code is this:
[01:50] <StyXman> http://pastebin.com/780528
[02:15] <Riddell> StyXman: looks sane, does it get later information?
[02:19] <Lure> Riddell: is Knot2 candidate already out?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont think so
[02:20] <gnomefreak> Lure: not yet
[02:20] <Lure> any ETA?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> no kopete 0.12.2 announcement, it looks like
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: main's frozen now for it
[02:20] <seaLne> i think it depends how the currently being built ones turn out
[02:21] <Hobbsee> true that
[02:21] <Hobbsee> no point releasing a dead disk.
[02:22] <Riddell> Lure: nope
[02:22] <Riddell> Lure: waiting on qtparted to enter the archive
[02:23] <Lure> ok, no pb - just want to reinstall my laptop
[02:24] <Hobbsee> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/drivers-face-random-drug-tests/2006/08/31/1156817008617.html
[02:24] <Hobbsee> yay....another thing for them to pull me over for at "random"
[02:28] <Tm_T> kwwii_: me too!
[03:02] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-bugs
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya
[03:03] <jjesse> doh
[03:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:27] <Tm_T> jjesse: I won't
[03:27] <Tm_T> no matter how you advertise it
[03:27] <jjesse> grin
[03:27] <jjesse> forgot the /
[03:27] <Tm_T> yeah, so they always say
[03:28] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/58320
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oops
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58320 in kdenetwork "edgy's kdenetwork-dev is not installable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:48] <Hobbsee> we should remove that dep as a part of kdenetwork-dev
[03:51] <StyXman> 14:15 < Riddell> StyXman: looks sane, does it get later information?
[03:51] <StyXman> Riddell: yes it does.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> didnt even think to check the rdepends.....
[03:57] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[03:58] <kubuntu_tester> I dont know if this is the correct place
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[03:58] <kubuntu_tester> I have installed vncserver and have some trouble with keyboard mapping in a client side program
[04:00] <Hobbsee> kubuntu_tester: is it listed in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vnc/+bugs ?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:01] <kubuntu_tester> Hobbsee: nope
[04:08] <kubuntu_tester> is it possible that the package was compiled with only one keyboard layout?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> anything's possible
[04:46] <jdong> so.... does dist-upgrading to edgy work?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> jdong: maybe :P
[04:46] <jdong> a bunch of stuff is being kept back :-/
[04:46] <jjesse> jdong: i did it
[04:47] <jdong> 748 upgraded, 84 newly installed, 18 to remove and 34 not upgraded.
[04:47] <jdong> hmm, it's not gonna keep kubuntu-desktop
[04:47] <jjesse> i had to do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in order to get x to work correctly
[04:47] <jdong> k
[04:48] <jdong> on a test laptop, of course
[04:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:48] <Hobbsee> then clean installed.  *shrugs*
[04:48] <jdong> lol
[04:48] <jdong> if this works, I'll consider upgrading mr coreduo
[04:49] <jdong> but I need that system to be rock solid
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:50] <Hobbsee> so you want to put edgy on it?
[04:50] <jdong> it's either put edgy on it or backport edgy to it
[04:50] <jdong> :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:50] <jdong> and with the latter, I'm already like halfway there
[04:51] <freeflying> jdong: can we backports packages in main from edgy to dapper, thanks
[04:51] <jdong> freeflying: depends on what package
[04:52] <freeflying> jdong: which type can be?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:52] <jdong> freeflying: anything that builds in dapper, won't break, is not currently beta in nature, etc etc etc
[04:52] <jdong> freeflying: what were you thinking of?
[04:53] <freeflying> jdong: prepare backport scim-chewing and scim-pinyin, which work not too well in dapper
[04:54] <jdong> freeflying: it has been requested before, and IIRC it couldn't be done according to the resident scim expert
[04:54] <jdong> :(
[04:55] <freeflying> jdong: why? anyway, there are not too much changes , just some conffiles  :)
[04:56] <jdong> freeflying: there was something about it requiring a backport of the entire scim stack
[04:57] <freeflying> jdong: needn't th whole, just the modules of scim 
[04:58] <jdong> freeflying: I'm just saying what I've been told... if you want, you can ask in #ubuntu-devel and find some answers
[04:58] <jdong> if they say it's ok, I'll do it
[04:58] <jdong> maybe my memory fails me :)
[04:58] <freeflying> jdong: thanks  :)
[04:59] <freeflying> jdong: btw: do you know how to set up a buildd  :)
[04:59] <jdong> never tried :)
[04:59] <freeflying> thanks
[05:02] <Viper550> Still, I'd love to get my hands on the new buttons and lighting in the Crystal windecoration in Edgy...
[05:03] <kwwii> Viper550: I can give it to you
[05:03] <kwwii> I have svgs
[05:03] <kwwii> but now is meeting, bbl
[05:03] <Viper550> the actual source code...
[05:06] <seaLne> Riddell: did you see my PM?
[05:06] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, but meeting now in the way of reading it
[05:06] <seaLne> k
[05:37] <nixternal> moins
[05:45] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume you would have nothing against using a different amarok theme?
[05:46] <Riddell> kwwii: if it a better theme of course not
[05:50] <gnomefreak> is there an eta on knot-2?
[05:51] <jdong> it's knot too far away :P
[05:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:51] <nixternal> hours ;)
[05:51] <jdong> sorry, couldn't resist
[05:52] <nixternal> i was going to do it as well, you just beat me to it ;)
[05:52] <gnomefreak> it livens it up
[05:52] <jdong> lol
[05:52] <jdong> well, it's time for me to do a reboot
[05:52] <jdong> just dist-upgraded to edgy
[05:52] <jdong> hope things work :)
[05:52] <gnomefreak> X might not
[05:52] <gnomefreak> :(
[05:52] <exobuzz> not everything works :-)
[05:53] <jdong> well, I reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[05:53] <gnomefreak> i still see people having to install xserver-xorg-video-all
[05:53] <exobuzz> vmware doesnt work as of today..
[05:53] <jdong> hmm, doesn't look like the dist-upgrade was complete
[05:54] <nixternal> exobuzz: good to hear your vmware doesn't work!  cuz mine does either...libpng12.so.0 > libcairo?
[05:54] <nixternal> mine doesn't*
[05:54] <exobuzz> nixternal: yup. its on the forums too.. 
[05:54] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[05:54] <exobuzz> nixternal: someone posted a workaround, but i failed to get that working too :/
[05:54] <gnomefreak> just in vmware
[05:54] <nixternal> ya, i tried all the workarounds noted...
[05:54] <exobuzz> the libpng problem is not actually preventing it from working
[05:54] <exobuzz> its to do with new hal/dbus
[05:55] <nixternal> hiya imbrandon ;)
[05:55] <jdong> hey imbrandon
[05:55] <jdong> guess who's dist-upgrading to edgy? ;)
[05:55] <gnomefreak> what does hal/dbus have to do with vmware though? 
[05:55] <exobuzz> it uses it ?
[05:56] <gnomefreak> exobuzz: so does non vmware and non vmware has no real issues
[05:56] <exobuzz> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=247350
[05:57] <exobuzz> Aug 31 15:42:09: vmui| HAL04LoadHALLibraries: Could not dlopen libhal.so.0.
[05:57] <exobuzz> Aug 31 15:42:09: vmui| HAL05LoadGlibLibrary: Could not dlopen libdbus-glib-1.so.1.
[05:57] <jdong> apparently there's a solution listed in there :-/
[05:57] <exobuzz> thats why its failing
[05:57] <jdong> though it sounds hackish
[05:57] <exobuzz> jdong: yeh by copying older versions of hte libs into vmware. but it didnt work for me ?
[05:57] <imbrandon> lo jdong nixternal
[05:58] <exobuzz> jdong: not sure what i did wrong.
[05:58] <jdong> exobuzz: I'm not sure either
[05:58] <jdong> well, here we go
[05:58] <jdong> brb
[06:00] <exobuzz> ok i got vmware working..
[06:00] <nixternal> what?
[06:00] <nixternal> how
[06:01] <jdong> wow, it worked
[06:01] <exobuzz> there are instructions in that thread. but they are not very clear
[06:01] <gnomefreak> jdong: :) i guess it worked
[06:01] <jdong> except klipper crashed
[06:01] <gnomefreak> jdong: 3.5.4?
[06:01] <jdong> edgy
[06:01] <exobuzz> grab the archive attached to the post and do "mkdir /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2" "mkdir /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libhal.so.1"
[06:02] <exobuzz> put the libs in the archive into the corresponding new dirs
[06:02] <jdong> imbrandon: is klipper crashing in edgy a known bug?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> restart it klipper hasnt crashed for me yet on kde3.5.4
[06:02] <shining> yes
[06:02] <jdong> hmm, after 2 restarts it worked again
[06:02] <shining> I could reproduce it easily at first, but not anymore
[06:02] <imbrandon> jdong yea delete your klipperrc in ~
[06:02] <imbrandon> then its fine
[06:03] <shining> but, how do you reproduce it then?
[06:03] <jdong> ah
[06:03] <imbrandon> tonio knows about it and is working onit
[06:03] <shining> the kilpperrc is recreated then, and it still works
[06:03] <shining> so how do you reproduce it?
[06:03] <imbrandon> if there is a klipperrc in the ~ dir it will segfault on kde start
[06:03] <imbrandon> shining: ^
[06:05] <gnomefreak> i guess mine never made that file
[06:05] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: it dosent unless you change the configuration
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:05] <imbrandon> of it
[06:06] <nixternal> exobuzz: ok, the corresponding files to the directory ok...what about the libhal?  do i put those in the 2 new directories as well?
[06:06] <imbrandon> wow lots of email today, apt-mirror patches, amarok patches , konversation , looks like i'll be busy today
[06:06] <exobuzz> the libdbus library (and symlink) go into /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 the libhal and symlink go into /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libhal.so.1
[06:06] <shining> I have one kilpperrc file now, but still no luck
[06:06] <nixternal> imbrandon: i grabbed a couple dews last night for class..i drank the first one and started shaking...now i have to sign up for mda
[06:08] <exobuzz> oh wait.. thats wrong.. both need to be in the first directory too..
[06:08] <exobuzz> let me check..
[06:08] <shining> imbrandon: I don't think I changed the config before seeing the crash the first times
[06:08] <shining> since it stopped, I didn't manage to get it back
[06:08] <shining> with or without config
[06:09] <jdong> I like the new artwork, btw
[06:09] <exobuzz> the libhal dir isnt needed.. 
[06:09] <exobuzz> im wrong..
[06:09] <nixternal> where does libhal go then?
[06:09] <exobuzz> in the dbus folder
[06:10] <nixternal> in both of them?
[06:10] <exobuzz> i onyl have one and it seems to eb working
[06:10] <exobuzz> im not sure. i need to reboot and make sure
[06:10] <exobuzz> brb
[06:12] <jdong> imbrandon: any pointers on compiz/kde under edgy?
[06:12] <jdong> and feels especially daring
[06:12] <imbrandon> jdong sure, but give me a few i got a flood of stuff that i need to catch up on
[06:13] <shining> it doesn't seem usable
[06:13] <jdong> k, no hurry, lol, just eye candy :)
[06:13] <shining> afaik you need exa
[06:13] <imbrandon> yea i have it working perfect on an intel gpu
[06:13] <imbrandon> i845 to be exact
[06:13] <shining> using xaa?
[06:14] <imbrandon> no
[06:14] <imbrandon> ok /me back to work
[06:14] <imbrandon> heya Mez
[06:15] <Mez> hey imbrandon
[06:15] <imbrandon> jdong can you look at the uvf you filed for ktorrent and do what kamoin asked, if not i can get to it later today after konversation and amarok patches
[06:16] <jdong> imbrandon: yeah, I already started sifting through svn
[06:16] <imbrandon> ugh and sime patches, wow i got tons to do today
[06:16] <jdong> I'll see how competent I am :-/
[06:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:17] <imbrandon> if it was like 2.0 to 2.0.1 there is only 3 or 4 commits to sift through
[06:17] <Riddell> hi Mez, tonio was complaining about katapult
[06:17] <bddebian> HI MEZ!!!
[06:17] <n8k99> imbrandon: does amarok 142 re-catalog the music collection when you first start it up?
[06:18] <jdong> imbrandon: and btw, amarok somehow magically made it into dapper-backports
[06:18] <imbrandon> n8k99: its supose to ( there is an option ) but cataloging is kinda flakey on sqlite atm , thats one of the patches i got from the amarok team today
[06:18] <imbrandon> jdong infinity probably fixed the buildd
[06:19] <jdong> :)
[06:19] <n8k99> imbrandon: that may explain why cpu goes to 100% and stays pegged for ifteen minutes
[06:19] <imbrandon> n8k99: yea give me ~1 hour and i'll have the patch on and you can "beta" test it if you feel brave
[06:20] <n8k99> imbrandon: sure thing - right now, i am without amarok unless i go backwards
[06:20] <n8k99> ppc
[06:27] <jdong> imbrandon: extracted the changelog from svn.... I gotta say, this guy isn't too great at writing changelog entries either
[06:27] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:27] <jdong> "Merged fix from trunk" :)
[06:29] <Riddell> ** knot 2 candidate CDs are up for testing **
[06:29] <imbrandon> woot
[06:29] <jjesse> woot
[06:29] <toma> woot
[06:30] <jjesse> link?
[06:30] <exobuzz> nixternal: see my post at the end of http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=247350&page=2
[06:30] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060831/
[06:30] <nixternal> fixed it already
[06:30] <exobuzz> nixternal: excellent :)
[06:30] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060831.2/
[06:30] <nixternal> had to replace the new libhals in /usr/lib ;)
[06:31] <exobuzz> nixternal: thats another way :-)
[06:31] <jdong> ooh, someone made *.ubuntu.com fast again :)
[06:31] <jdong> it's been a while since I've seen 500KB/s from canonical servers
[06:31] <exobuzz> my bugs are still untriaged.... humph..
[06:33] <jdong> I guess you can say that the download speed is.... knot 2 bad :)
[06:33] <jjesse> hmm only getting 34 k/sec :(
[06:34] <kwwii> digikam takes a day to open my pics the first time :-(
[06:34] <exobuzz> jdong: please stop ;-)
[06:34] <jdong> exobuzz: knot 2 fond of puns?
[06:34] <exobuzz> jdong. knot when its the same one over and over.. :-)
[06:35] <n8k99> (groan) that horse carcess is knot going to get up either
[06:35] <exobuzz> argh
[06:36] <jdong> now, all we have to do is infect #ubuntu-devel with knot puns :)
[06:36] <jdong> and my evil plan will have succeeded
[06:36] <toma> did we knot have those jokes with the knot one one?
[06:37] <exobuzz> ....
[06:37] <exobuzz> please....
[06:37] <exobuzz> :)
[06:37] <jdong> lol
[06:37] <nixternal> exobuzz: your way doesn't work for me...i have to replace the libhal.so.1.0.0 and the symlink for libhal.so.1 in /usr/lib
[06:37] <jdong> these download rates are so good, I'm just gonna pipe the iso to cdrecord again
[06:37] <exobuzz> nixternal: hmm strange
[06:38] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[06:38] <Riddell> pong
[06:39] <Mez> Riddell: for some reason the import I got from SVN had all the spellcatalog stuff duplicated
[06:40] <Mez> as in in the files - it had the same content twice
[06:40] <Riddell> and is that the case in SVN?
[06:44] <Mez> Riddell: I'd guess so - I just grabbed a patch
[06:44] <Mez> lemme go look
[06:44] <kwwii> cans someone please tell the freaky people who make photo programs to not copy all the pics into ones home?
[06:45] <kwwii> in fact, scream it at them very loudly
[06:45] <toma> kwwii: which app?
[06:45] <kwwii> digikam and fspot both do it
[06:46] <toma> kwwii: only when you choose import
[06:46] <seaLne> yeah digikam caught me out with that
[06:46] <n8k99> digikam let's you chose where the photo database is kept
[06:46] <toma> kwwii: when you set the album path it will not do that
[06:46] <kwwii> hehe, well import is the first thing you do
[06:46] <kwwii> now I see that
[06:50] <Mez> Riddell: seems not - just a bad patch I think... but we have created a .desktop file for you in bzr
[06:54] <allee> toma: oh, reminds me we need to find a dynamic loading guru that tells us why libgphot-dev .la files are suddenly needed again.
[06:55] <allee> toma: or patch to libgphoto to move la files to runtime pkgs
[06:58] <jdong> upstart appears to work
[06:58] <jdong> cool
[07:02] <toma> allee: yes
[07:03] <toma> allee: what was the br number?
[07:03] <allee> wait therer was a me too today ..
[07:04] <allee> toma: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696 
[07:04] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125696 in Camera GUI "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New]  
[07:05] <allee> toma: coolo didn't said pong ;)
[07:08] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[07:15] <viper550> I know how we can make the silver panel nicer, with a tint of purple
[07:24] <kwwii> does kubuntu use a panel bg per default?
[07:28] <imbrandon> kwwii: yea
[07:28] <imbrandon> the kde default one
[07:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: hi
[07:32] <imbrandon> heya sho / hein had a question about konvo on breezy
[07:32] <imbrandon> did he IM you ? 
[07:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^
[07:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: talking to him now
[07:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you ask about the point kamion raised?
[07:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: yup
[07:32] <imbrandon> and he replyed on LP
[07:33] <imbrandon> all cleared up
[07:38] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you see the patches from Mark for amarok?
[07:38] <Riddell> Mark Kretschman that is
[07:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: yup working on them right this second
[07:38] <imbrandon> while sho sorts out konvo
[07:39] <imbrandon> i have to modify the diffs a bit becouse they arent in the format patchsys likes but other than that seems a-ok
[07:39] <imbrandon> i'll have a debdiff in less than an hour for ya
[07:39] <Riddell> and just when I had copied your builds onto kubuntu.org
[07:40] <imbrandon> hahaha , well they are in the official backports too ;)
[07:40] <imbrandon> now* becouse {infinity,someone} fixed the backport buildd to accept them
[07:40] <jdong> lol
[07:40] <jdong> :)
[07:41] <jdong> poor Riddell..... time that could've been spent fixing kwallet in kubuntu.org :)
[07:41] <seaLne> jdong: any news on updating things in backports?
[07:41] <jdong> hint hint hint
[07:41] <jdong> seaLne: not yet
[07:41] <jdong> :-/
[07:41] <jdong> the bug ticket is silent
[07:41] <Riddell> backports gets processed on tuesday and friday
[07:41] <seaLne> its a very strange feature
[07:42] <jdong> seaLne: who should I prod about it?
[07:42] <jdong> is that an infinity thing, or someone else?
[07:42] <Riddell> what needs updated?
[07:42] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea but it was kicking back stuff that was alrady there ( if you had a newer version )
[07:42] <seaLne> k3b and i think other stuff
[07:43] <imbrandon> like if -0ubuntu2 was in backpoorts it wouldent take -0ubuntu3
[07:43] <Riddell> weird
[07:43] <jdong> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/58144
[07:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58144 in soyuz "Backport is rejected if an older backport is already there" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[07:44] <Riddell> right, I would say that is the soyuz admins but I dont actually know since backports was fixed by kamion
[07:45] <jdong> do the soyuz admins typically respond in good time to bug reports? :-/
[07:47] <imbrandon>  jdong most of the time but rember eveyone is/was hurried by the knot2
[07:47] <jdong> right
[07:47] <jdong> just checking
[07:47] <jdong> knot 2 worry... I'll wait :)
[07:49] <jdong> seaLne: don't worry, I already have a 9 month reactive arthritis sentence
[07:49] <jdong> and it sucks
[07:49] <jdong> :)
[07:50] <imbrandon> heh "sudden" and "long"
[07:51] <seaLne> the only thing worse than spam is spammers who don't know how to use their scripts
[07:51] <imbrandon> hahaha keep getting "%name blah blah blah" subjects ?
[07:51] <seaLne> yeah
[07:52] <imbrandon> gotta love it
[07:52] <seaLne> or more recntly:
[07:52] <seaLne> Hi, friend!
[07:52] <seaLne> Error on ///
[07:52] <seaLne> New line
[07:52] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:59] <jdong> sweet, monodevelop's gui designer works in edgy :)
[08:00] <imbrandon> it has for a while now hasent it ?
[08:01] <jdong> imbrandon: the dapper monodevelop didn't work for me :-/
[08:01] <jdong> I couldn't get the gui designer to appear
[08:01] <jdong> and monodevelop was damn impossible to backport
[08:02] <jdong> even after bending every rule for personal gain :)
[08:02] <imbrandon> the gui thing dient eve work upstream right untill after edgy
[08:02] <jdong> I see
[08:02] <imbrandon> 0.10 -something
[08:02] <jdong> the only thing monodevelop needs is to show a tooltip for function calls
[08:03] <imbrandon> and even then it still stucks as its gtk only no qt
[08:03] <jdong> like now, it shows a tooltip in the autocomplete box, but disappears after opening the (
[08:03] <jdong> qt-gtk keeps me happy
[08:03] <jdong> monodevelop has brought no-brainer gui designing to linux
[08:03] <imbrandon> for looks not functionality ;)
[08:03] <jdong> :)
[08:03] <jdong> whatever
[08:03] <imbrandon> jdong you must have never tried qt-designer or kylix ;)
[08:04] <jdong> no, I haven't
[08:04] <imbrandon> kylix has been no brainer for ages
[08:04] <imbrandon> ahh and gambas too
[08:04] <jdong> but qt has never really attracted me due to lack of cross platform
[08:04] <jdong> until qt4
[08:04] <jdong> :)
[08:04] <imbrandon> WHAT !
[08:04] <jdong> I'm not buying a qt3/windows license :)
[08:04] <imbrandon> qt has always worked on windows and mac
[08:04] <jdong> qt3 under windows?
[08:05] <imbrandon> yes , the gpl version
[08:05] <jdong> there's a gpl'd qt3 for windows?
[08:05] <jdong> that doesn't need cygwin/X?
[08:05] <imbrandon> its the same one for linux, just compile it with gcc 
[08:05] <imbrandon> no X needed
[08:05] <imbrandon> cygwin if you use cygwins gcc or if you use minw no
[08:05] <jdong> still, mono is cool :P
[08:06] <imbrandon> mingw32
[08:06] <Riddell> qt3 needs cygwin on windows
[08:06] <imbrandon> cant you compile it with mingw32 now ?
[08:07] <imbrandon> still gambas and kylix ( vb6 and delphi ) both are no brainer linux gui tools too ;)
[08:08] <imbrandon> and qt-designer somewhat ;)
[08:30] <seaLne> alternate 20060831.2 just installed fine for me
[08:31] <jjesse> live cd works great :)
[08:31] <seaLne> err apart from X stobing white lines at me , not good
[08:31] <seaLne> strobing
[09:04] <Tonio_> hi
[09:05] <Tonio_> is the knot freeze ended ?
[09:06] <Tonio_> just for information
[09:07] <jdong> Tonio_: I'm knot2 sure.... :)
[09:07] <Lure> Tonio_: /topic in #ubuntu-devel still talks about freeze
[09:07] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'll wait
[09:07] <Tonio_> not a problem
[09:08] <Tonio_> just that I will not have a lot of free time this we and I have a few uploads to perform :)
[09:08] <Tonio_> I just left paris definitly
[09:08] <Tonio_> looks strange
[09:23] <imbrandon> where are the knot2 test images ? i'll grab a ppc one and test it
[09:33] <jdong> imbrandon: from what I understand Riddell is pretty happy with these: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060831/
[09:33] <jjesse> the download is slow :(
[09:33] <jjesse> only 35.1 kb/sec
[09:33] <jdong> hmm
[09:34] <jdong> that's a problem on your end then
[09:34] <jjesse> hmm work here has a ds3 connected to the internet non throttled
[09:36] <imbrandon> mines hovering about 200kb
[09:36] <imbrandon> well make that 100
[09:36] <imbrandon> lol
[09:36] <derekS> jjesse: how many people share it
[09:37] <imbrandon> still not too bad, i'll have it in less than an hour
[09:45] <Lure> mine is going at 110KB/s (on 1Mbit)
[09:48] <imbrandon> yea i'm getting about that on a 8Mbit
[09:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:49] <imbrandon> oh jesus
[09:50] <crimsun> awesome, my 3.3 KB/s owns.
[09:50] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:51] <jdong|coreduo> that's it, I'm dist-upgrading my core duo
[10:04] <fdoving> imbrandon: i have the ppc iso on a site that should be abit faster than cdimage. if you want.
[10:05] <imbrandon> fdoving: i have it over half done now
[10:05] <imbrandon> no biggie ;)
[10:08] <Riddell> cdimage does vary quite a lot
[10:08] <Riddell> _Sime: screenshot screenshot!
[10:09] <_Sime> Riddell: you've got the svn, just svn up and run displayconfig.py
[10:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: i got all the amarok patches working perfect but the mtp one, i cant get it to apply for the life of me
[10:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: can i shoot you a debdiff and you poke it, i'm sure its simple but its frekin killin me the last 30 minutes
[10:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[10:11] <imbrandon> k one sec
[10:11] <_Sime> i'm too lazy to do a screenshot
[10:12] <imbrandon> lol
[10:15] <derekS> i hate this xdmcp bug!
[10:15] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/amarok.debdiff
[10:17] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gamma.png
[10:17] <imbrandon> Riddell: all apply and work but the frekin mtp one
[10:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: it is an extra level above the others
[10:25] <imbrandon> huh ?
[10:26] <imbrandon> no its in amarok/src/.....
[10:26] <imbrandon> Riddell: amarok/src/mediadevice/mtp/mtpmediadevice.cpp is the file
[10:27] <imbrandon> after its unpacked
[10:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: also i have the "fixed" konversation ready to upload also , and its been approved , all we're waiting on now is sho to get the urls fixed on the website so its "official" , he dosent want us to upload before the website is changed
[10:30] <imbrandon> so in a few minutes that will be ready to go
[10:30] <imbrandon> s/go/upload
[10:31] <jdong> hmm, where's the guidance powermanager?
[10:31] <jdong> I dist-upgraded and ended up with no battery applet of any kind
[10:31] <Riddell> jdong: in kde-guidance
[10:32] <jdong> bug :)
[10:32] <jdong> Riddell: no battery = python exception
[10:32] <jdong> I got a buggy laptop here whose ACPI does not report any batteries :)
[10:32] <Riddell> weird
[10:33] <Riddell> jdong: please report a bug with a backtrace, I will look at it early next week
[10:33] <jdong> Riddell: will do
[10:37] <imbrandon> woot ppc iso done, time to install it on the ibook
[10:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: figure out my faulty patch heheh ?
[10:38] <jdong> :)
[10:38] <imbrandon> bbiab mt dew run
[10:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm, no, working on it
[10:39] <imbrandon> okies , was just curious , bbiab
[10:47] <imbrandon> oh jez i hate when i do that
[10:47] <imbrandon> whoops
[10:48] <nixternal> lol
[10:48] <nixternal> eject will sometimes bring her back
[10:49] <imbrandon> nah iots not realy a big deal other than it probably startled the hell out of the security guard watching the room
[10:49] <nixternal> rofl
[10:49] <nixternal> i used to make the computers beep at at&t when the guards roamed
[10:50] <nixternal> i never did the eject one though..that would have been good..however all our stuff was caged, so he would have heard it hit the door
[10:50] <imbrandon> wow Riddell we have 40+ mb free on the cd ? thats great
[10:51] <fdoving> include partimage if it's not there yet.
[10:52] <fdoving> :)
[10:52] <Beineri> games ;-)
[10:52] <imbrandon> do we have to add that to the seed or something Riddell for it to be noticed, the wiki says something about it
[10:52] <imbrandon> but its not totaly clear to me
[10:52] <imbrandon> heya Beineri
[10:53] <imbrandon> hows kickstart going ? in svn yet LOL
[10:55] <imbrandon> i'm probably mixing you up with someone else
[10:56] <Beineri> imbrandon: it's true that you're not good with names
[10:56] <imbrandon> anyhow Riddell konversation 1.0 is official now , ready to upload ? hehe i got a url 
[10:56] <imbrandon> Beineri:  ;)
[10:57] <imbrandon> or other main sponsor arround ...... *looks*
[11:09] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: for konversation 1.0 ?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> yeah 
[11:09] <exobuzz> hi
[11:09] <gnomefreak> is it going in edgy?
[11:10] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: if you have my nightly repo it will be synced in a second for dapper, and as soon as Riddell uploaded it it will be in edgy
[11:10] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: yes
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:10] <exobuzz> what will. (I'm nosey) ? :)
[11:10] <gnomefreak> exobuzz: lol konvo 1.0
[11:11] <imbrandon> exobuzz: the kubuntu irc client
[11:11] <gnomefreak> exobuzz: konversation 1.0 irc chat client shipped with kde
[11:11] <exobuzz> aaah konversation
[11:11] <exobuzz> which would be what im using :-)
[11:11] <exobuzz> we like.
[11:14] <kwwii_> where does one find knot2 ppc cd's?
[11:15] <Lure> kwwii_: I think this will be it: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060831/
[11:15] <imbrandon> hehe kwwii_ i just downloaded it , was finishing kastroids on osx before i installed ;)
[11:16] <exobuzz> asteroids game ? :)
[11:16] <imbrandon> crimsun: you still about ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> exobuzz: yes
[11:16] <imbrandon> crimsun: never mind
[11:16] <exobuzz> great game..  also minesweeper ont eh vectrex..
[11:17] <exobuzz> vectrex is the best console ever :)
[11:19] <exobuzz> aaw. kasteroids isnt wireframe... thats no good :)
[11:19] <kwwii_> imbrandon: thanks :-)
[11:19] <kwwii_> erm, screw you
[11:19] <kwwii_> Lure: thanks :-)
[11:19] <imbrandon> heh Lure gave ya the url LOL
[11:19] <imbrandon> haha
[11:19] <kwwii_> :p
[11:19] <Lure> lol
[11:20] <imbrandon> woot , when does ftp.debian.org process uploads ? isnt it once a day ?
[11:21] <imbrandon> vs once an hour like us ?
[11:21] <kwwii_> hrm, I had problems installing dapper with the GUI installer on my test ppc...hope it works this time
[11:21] <imbrandon> me too , the alternate is much better for the ppc 
[11:21] <imbrandon> maybe this will be ok
[11:22] <crimsun> imbrandon: yes, once daily.
[11:22] <imbrandon> cool crimsun do you happen to know what time ?
[11:22] <crimsun> imbrandon: and uploads are processed every 5 minutes for us.
[11:22] <crimsun> err, well if you're going to use that terminology...
[11:23] <imbrandon> curious becouse my upload got accepted by the archive a few minutes agao and as soon as its on p.d.o i can sync
[11:25] <crimsun> to clarify, yes, dinstall runs once daily for Debian (either 2:10 PM EDT or 3:10 PM EDT, don't recall which); publisher runs at :03 and :33 for Ubuntu
[11:25] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[11:26] <crimsun> imbrandon: it's actually syncable from incoming if you're frothing at the mouth.
[11:26] <imbrandon> heh well i just got the email a few hours ago
[11:26] <imbrandon> been waiting on it ;)
[11:27] <crimsun> a few hours ago implies before dinstall ran.
[11:27] <crimsun> in which case it's syncable now.
[11:27] <imbrandon> Today 07:34 / 7:34 am
[11:27] <imbrandon> ^^ CDT
[11:27] <crimsun> you're referring to the ACCEPT, correct?
[11:27] <imbrandon> Accepted:
[11:27] <imbrandon> apt-mirror_0.4.4-3.diff.gz
[11:27] <imbrandon>  to pool/main/a/apt-mirror/apt-mirror_0.4.4-3.diff.gz
[11:27] <imbrandon> apt-mirror_0.4.4-3.dsc
[11:27] <imbrandon>  to pool/main/a/apt-mirror/apt-mirror_0.4.4-3.dsc
[11:27] <imbrandon> etc etc etc
[11:27] <crimsun> yes, that's syncable now.
[11:28] <imbrandon> sweet
[11:28] <imbrandon> ok cool
[11:28] <imbrandon> how come its not on p.d.o yet ?
[11:30] <crimsun> pdo's cron is slower.
[11:30] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:30] <crimsun> slower meaning executed less frequently.
[11:30] <imbrandon> right
[11:31] <imbrandon> but it should bee in the pool on ftp.d.o correct ?
[11:31] <imbrandon> s/bee/be
[11:32] <imbrandon> crimsun: can we upload yet ? from the freeze ?
[11:32] <imbrandon> ( main )
[11:32] <crimsun> not unless knot 2 has been released. At least the topic in -devel hasn't been changed.
[11:32] <imbrandon> k
[11:39] <imbrandon> crimsun:  where is the incoming pool
[11:40] <imbrandon> i just see a REPORT file
[11:40] <imbrandon> and its not in the main pool
[11:41] <crimsun> imbrandon: similar structure. There's a non-public pool that the main public-facing pool rsyncs from.
[11:41] <imbrandon> ahh ok so i cant get to it publicly atm then
[11:41] <imbrandon> correct ?
[11:41] <crimsun> aka "limbo"
[11:41] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[11:42] <imbrandon> and that rsync isnt untill tomarrow again ?
[11:42] <crimsun> do you mean the next dinstall?
[11:42] <crimsun> that's tomorrow, correct
[11:42] <imbrandon> umm i guess, its in the incomming report
[11:42] <imbrandon> but not in the main pool
[11:42] <crimsun> the syncing for mirrors should be complete in a few hours
[11:43] <imbrandon> wow debian is complicated
[11:43] <imbrandon> heh
[11:44] <crimsun> not really.
[11:45] <crimsun> it's similar in Ubuntu.
[11:46] <imbrandon> yea, i guess i'm just not used to waiting a whole day
[11:50] <crimsun> spoiled dev. ;)
[11:51] <imbrandon> hehe