=== didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D85C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ally0S0 [n=ally@ip213040137049.adsl.supanet.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ally0S0 [n=ally@ip213040137049.adsl.supanet.net.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] does anyone recall by heat the keystroke in VIM to make lines aling with the same ident as the line upper ? [12:59] heart, even === z\ [n=pjphem@unaffiliated/madsheep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Surak [n=ubuntu@200.128.80.254] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-241-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] sivang: I'm not aware of that === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eod_punk [n=punk@c-68-33-153-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Riddell: you might want to ship the qt4 dbus bindings with qt4-x11-kdecopy as you already ship the debug build of it === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] fabbione, ubuntulog appears to have vanished from #ubuntu-meeting === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.14.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman [02:07] sivang: you may be referring to =, which just correctly indents everything; it has however, nothing to do with the previous line, but is mostly used in visual mode or on a block of lines [02:10] Chipzz: whoa! [02:10] Chipzz: i had no idea [02:10] tseng: > increases indent, < decreases [02:10] knew that [02:10] but = is pretty rad [02:11] it can also screw you pretty badly [02:11] (in visual mode) [02:11] well [02:11] fortunately, there's undo [02:11] there is undo [02:11] yes [02:11] if you like long lines, it also wraps lines [02:11] or is that the indent command? === Chipzz hesitates === LaserJock wonders how tiny is vim-tiny? [02:13] Size: 418662 === desrt tells LaserJock about apt-cache show [02:13] well, more feature wise, I guess === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] me is looking forward to emacs-nano on the default install ;-) [02:14] hah [02:15] s/me/I/ stupid IRC grammar is ruining me [02:15] scribus-doc is not installible [02:15] I is not liking emacs [02:15] no? [02:15] I keep switching back and forth [02:16] but planner-el is keeping me with emacs presently [02:16] lol === johanbr [n=j@jupiter.physics.ubc.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] if I found a way to do it without emacs I'd probably go back to vim [02:17] as emacs is so huge === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] gvim looks to have lost the .desktop file :( [02:20] you need a .desktop to launch gvim? [02:21] no dont need but it used to have one === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.146.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] hey all [03:21] hey Hobbsee, must be getting towards spring-time down there === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] sladen: almost, yeah :D === _TomB [n=ownthebo@AC8D3FAA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5235.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcmasters [n=jcm@fremont.jonmasters.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@254-143-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niKsternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk giggles [04:19] that was fun [04:19] I changed the ttys from "when rc2 is stopping" to "on startup" [04:19] Kamion: ping? [04:20] I think I'm going to leave them like that === jcmasters [n=jcm@fremont.jonmasters.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] Keybuk: ping [04:42] jdub: heyhy [04:42] yo! [04:42] http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2006/08/msg00318.html [04:42] ^ bug or solveable? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable069.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] jdub: he needs to "mkdir /var/run /var/lock" without his /var mounted [04:47] or $(mount --bind / /mnt && mkdir /mnt/var/run /mnt/var/lock && umount /mnt) [04:48] Keybuk: right, so it's a matter of the underlying directories not existing? [04:48] right [04:48] and there's nothing we can do about that at boot, because the whole point of those directories is that they're for when we don't have a writable filesystem [04:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2 <-- missing anything major? (any major mistakes)? [04:48] no writable filesystem = no mkdir [04:48] not done, for the record === iram [n=iram@c-71-56-125-148.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] Keybuk: so those tmpfs mounts will still appear, even if /var is mounted after they are mounted? [04:51] Burgundavia: hightlighting AIGLX with nothing that utilises it by default seems a bit weird [04:51] highlighting* [04:51] ohoel: it is installed by deafult, however [04:51] just not turned on [04:52] is compositor support in metacity still a pain? [04:53] I haven't heard anyone sing praise for libcm :) [04:53] jdub: they will [04:53] no idea [04:53] ohoel: if you have edgy, run compiz --replace for shiny bling === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] Keybuk: thanks [04:56] Keybuk: yeah, and I know I'm being a nitpicking jerk, but compiz is in universe, while I thought the release notes were supposed to highlight default features [05:01] ohoel: for milestones, it's probably enough to just talk about everything === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Keybuk: when can you upload some major breakage to edgy? :P we're getting users wanting to upgrade for new features, and complaining as it breaks, again [05:05] Hobbsee: when it's not frozen [05:06] Keybuk: well, yeah. i more meant "how soon after it's stopped being frozen" [05:06] immediately [05:06] woo :) [05:06] in fact, I can upload anyway given upstart is still in universe :p [05:07] Keybuk: woot! that could be fun === Hobbsee could upload to it too, come to think of it. === Hobbsee considers being evil...or something... [05:11] Hobbsee: now that's not the way to become a core-dev ;-) [05:12] LaserJock: true. if i go for it again. === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === shenki [n=Joel@pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D85C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LarstiQ [n=larstiq@cust.7.157.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] syndicate scott# initctl jobs & [05:43] [1] 7180 [05:43] syndicate scott# runlevel [05:43] N 2 [05:43] syndicate scott# telinit 3 [05:43] syndicate scott# rc3 (start) starting, process 7185 active [05:43] rc3 (start) running, process 7187 active [05:43] rc3 (stop) stopping, process none [05:43] rc3 (stop) waiting [05:43] syndicate scott# runlevel [05:43] 2 3 [05:43] -- [05:43] how can something so evil be so *right* ?! :p === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] that's doing things "properly" too, storing the runlevel in utmp/wtmp [05:47] it's just all done with event handlers, and not a single piece of "runlevel" knowledge hard-coded into upstart \o/ === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] grr [06:12] init: rc6 process (7096) killed by signal 15 [06:12] WHY?! === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt smiles at Keybuk === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@88-136-0-29.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mattn [n=mattn@p5483E624.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] crimsun: could alacarte edit the system menu in dapper? [07:10] can't say (never tried, no fast access to a dapper system to test atm) === kagou [n=kagou@88-136-0-29.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] yep [07:11] Burgundavia: It can. [07:11] right === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9F3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dottedmag [n=dottedma@gw-swsoft2.ll-nsk.zsttk.ru] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] Where is the authoritative source of information about writing ubuntu-compliant initscripts? Debian policy (even up-to-date) does not seem to be relevant, due to lsb-thingy. === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-62-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] morning [08:41] morning sivang [08:42] Burgundavia: hey corey [08:42] can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2 === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0842.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] morning dholbach [08:44] good morning [08:44] hey burg [08:44] hey Burgundavia === Mithrandir kicks git in the nuts. [08:44] good morning, Daniel [08:44] Riddell: do you want new livefs builds for kubuntu? [08:44] Mithrandir: what is my timing on the Knot2 page? Should I move it to the website before I go to sleep? [08:45] hey Tollef - having fun early in the morning already? [08:45] dholbach: if your idea of fun includes "building RC knot CDs", then yes. === dholbach hugs Mithrandir [08:46] Burgundavia: Wiki or website -- both are fine with me. Can the docteam still edit it if it's on the website? [08:46] no, but myself and Matthew East can [08:47] Burgundavia: ok, I guess that's good enough, then. Thanks a lot for your work on the page -- it's absolutely appreciated. [08:48] no worries [08:49] can you give a quick glance over the page to see if I missed anything big? [08:50] sure, give me a minute to do it. === moberg_ [n=peter@c83-248-85-64.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] vuntz: hi [08:52] Burgundavia: looks good to me. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] f-spot and gthumb are both in the desktop seed? [08:58] that would be a check === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] Burgundavia: a check? [09:01] dholbach: an affirmative to the fspot and gthumb [09:01] ah ok [09:01] nixternal: yes? [09:01] hey Kamion, you are the one posting the knot 2 announcement correct? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@32.Red-88-12-135.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] nixternal: that would be Mithrandir, I expect [09:03] roger that ;) thanks [09:04] Mithrandir: if you are posting the knot 2 announcement, here is the link to the Kubuntu release info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu [09:04] nixternal: cheers. [09:05] kool..thank you ;) [09:05] the CSS on that page is _seriously_ funky. The content box on the right hand side starts out in the right position and then "walks" upwards for a bit as the page loads. [09:06] might just be Opera doing something weird. [09:06] i know it renders ok with ff1, ff2, and konqi [09:06] it could be the amount of images as well causing the issue [09:06] i tried to shrink them down as much as possible, and still be presentable [09:07] Mithrandir: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot1 [09:07] the system settings menu is _so_ a ripoff of the apple control panel. :-) [09:08] s/menu// [09:08] and? [09:08] Mithrandir: can I start alternate builds? I'd like to test my no-more-devfs changes [09:08] heh [09:08] Kamion: go ahead. [09:08] oh, wait. I am an idiot [09:08] it is knot2 [09:09] lol [09:09] it is midnight here [09:09] ok, running [09:09] nixternal: tell me, where are the Europeans to help out the marketing people, anyway? [09:10] i have no clue [09:10] they aren't in Chicago..i know that for a fact ;) [09:10] Mithrandir: make that http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot2 [09:11] Burgundavia: thanks. [09:11] one final check before I crash?' [09:13] Burgundavia: I'm happy with it. [09:13] then so am I [09:14] if you need anything changed, you will need to ping Nuzum, henrik or mdke [09:14] Burgundavia: "the menu editor, Alacarte and gnome-power-manager" [09:14] Burgundavia: that looks like a list of three items [09:14] perhaps "the menu editor (Alacarte) and gnome-power-manager" [09:14] or another comma [09:14] no [09:15] that would be a list of three items using the Oxford-comma convention [09:15] did you idea [09:15] which is common in British English [09:15] foo, bar, and baz [09:15] I trust your judgement, given it is morning there and night here [09:15] the text rendering in the Firefox screenshot is nasty, but probably not much to be done about that [09:16] that is utter default [09:16] "the always biting Matthew Garrett"? :-) [09:16] isn't it fun? [09:16] that text should be gone [09:16] look again [09:16] it is, but is in the Firefox screenshot ;-) [09:17] ah, yes === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] heh [09:17] it was early attempt at humour that did not survive the night === Spads [n=crack@host-84-9-51-91.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] truly: any last thoughts? === nicolaw_ [n=nicolaw@nicolaw.arwen.tfb.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6585C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === clcxxxx [n=clcxxxx@220.231.40.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6585C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.82.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] Riddell: is gstreamer installed in a KDE desktop setup? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] hi [09:53] did anyone notice that after dapper->edgy upgrade it takes several times longer to open a tab in gnome-terminal than to open a new window in it? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] anyone else have a broken vmware-server after recent edgy updates? [09:57] also all tabs other than the first one seem extereemly sluggish === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === paracetamolo [n=paraceta@81-174-12-172.f5.ngi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] any gnome hacker want to have a look at gaim deadlock? [10:06] I've got a backtrace [10:07] zyga: best to file a bug with a debug backtrace (gaim upstream guys read the gaim bugs in malone as well) [10:08] Mithrandir: all alternates built [10:08] Kamion: let's get started with the testing, then. :-) [10:08] dholbach: it's not just gaim [10:08] Mithrandir: I've noticed a bug though - partman isn't writing out swap entries with a UUID [10:08] gnome-terminal is affected too [10:08] rather, the swap partition has a UUID, but it's not in /etc/fstab [10:08] Id' bet that any gnome app using tabs has this [10:09] I'll start off with alternate amd64. [10:09] zyga: accessibility enabled? [10:09] this is problematic because that will not now be changed on upgrade [10:09] Kamion: grr.. I'd like not to hold off because of it, can you think of a workaround? [10:09] dholbach: yes [10:09] Mithrandir, i just discovered an odd ltsp bug in the autoinstaller (will only affect edubuntu and xubuntus ltsp mode) ... [10:10] :/ [10:10] zyga: bug 58068 [10:10] Malone bug 58068 in gnome-terminal "can't open new tabs (with a11y turned on)" [Unknown,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58068 [10:10] oh :) [10:10] ogra: can you elaborate, please? [10:10] zyga: upstream would love you if you'd investigate it [10:10] Mithrandir: well, we could do the fstab conversion again in volumeid later, but that's very non-ideal because some people may already be trying to avoid it [10:10] zyga: or could follow up with some more information [10:10] I'm just trying to figure out now why it's happening [10:11] worth checking whether it affects the desktop CD too [10:11] Mithrandir, it doesnt finish the ltsp chroot (which breaks edubuntus install) due to a plugin i merged from debians branch being called to early ... [10:11] dholbach: I'll add info that gaim is affected too [10:11] and try poking at that backtrace [10:11] thanks for the easy start [10:12] Mithrandir, i just need to move a file to a different dir ... would you oppose an upload ? (wont affect ubuntu /kubuntu) [10:12] zyga: way to go === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] janimo: do you have any feelings about the ltsp bug mentioned above? ^^ [10:15] additionally it seems there were 4M added to my i386 iso over night, damned [10:17] ogra: uh, the cronjobs are turned off, so I really doubt anything was changed without you touching it [10:17] i didnt build the 20060831 iso [10:17] urgh, I think busybox mkswap must still be broken [10:17] ogra: blame the gremlins? :P [10:18] seems the dbus stuff made it grow on i386 and shrink on the other arches [10:18] I built Edubuntu alternate along with all the others [10:18] Kamion, right ... [10:19] I need to pop out for a little bit, bbiab. [10:19] Mithrandir, any word on ltsp before ? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] oh, for pity's sake, how many implementations of mkswap do we need [10:20] Mithrandir: if I can fix parted to create UUIDs on swap partitions, can I upload it? [10:20] doesn't need a debian-installer rebuild === fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c58-107-62-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] why the heck did only i386 grow .... grmbl [10:23] did keybuk write upstart? [10:24] zyga, yep. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] k [10:29] Mithrandir: that ltsp bug should not hold up xubuntu alternate as far as I am concerned, I have just learned about it now that ogra mentioned it [10:30] but if it's easily fixable it may be worth respinning after it's uploaded === Micksa [i=nobody@203.26.40.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel === z\ [n=pjphem@unaffiliated/madsheep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] doko: no, we dont have gstreamer in kubuntu [10:43] Mithrandir: yes, new livefs builds would be good === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] animimotus: j'ai a aussi, plus 2 gamins (3 ans et 10 mois) qui me cherchent :) Ce soir 18H UTC - 1 ils seront couchs. Non mais ... [10:48] zyga: anything yet to merge from for c-m-f :) ? [10:48] sorry [10:48] mvo_: not yet :/ [10:49] mvo_: I don't have a solution for alternatives yet [10:49] mvo_: I was thinking about splitting the data per source repo so that user will get notified that 'foo' is in universe === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] zyga: that is a interessting idea! I could extend the current extration script to look for update-alteratives in postinst. then we can work out how many packages are affected. IIRC we have only quite old information about this, right? [10:53] mvo_: AFAIR about ~100 packages are affected, about 10 or so are top priority and can be processed manually [10:54] mvo_: how do I run your data extraction script? [10:54] zyga: that sounds good then [10:54] zyga: unfortunately it needs a compelete mirror on the machine where it runs [10:54] mvo_: we can use the suggestion system for manually processed packages [10:54] mvo_: any rsync magic I can run to get that? [10:54] I'm sitting on one fat pipe here [10:54] zyga: yes, that sounds good, I will add this feature [10:55] zyga: I will have a look [10:55] zyga: about the rsync [10:55] mvo_: I'll hack on extracting the repo part but just tell me how to get that repo here :) [10:55] thanks [10:57] zyga: I think debmirror should do what you need [10:57] checking that out now [10:58] zyga: when you have a mirror simply run the script in DataExtractor.mvo with "-d /path/to/the/mirror" [10:58] zyga: for full coverage we may need it on a mirror with all arches to get packages that are e.g. only available on ppc === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] Kamion: ok, if you can get it fixed RSN, then it's ok. If it needs a bit of time, I say we don't care about it. [11:01] mvo_: yes I did notice we are i386 only ATM [11:01] ogra: as it's ok with Xubuntu, feel free to upload [11:01] yay [11:01] zyga: the extraction code will (or rather should :) go over all three supported arches [11:02] Mithrandir: I'm testing the fix now [11:02] Mithrandir, edubuntu-meta fine with you as well ? [11:02] mvo_: I need to fix debmirror to look at ubuntu, not debian ;) [11:02] Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/parted-swap-uuid.dpatch [11:02] zyga: heh :) [11:02] ogra: edubuntu-meta is fine with me -- worst case you end up having to fix it yourself. :-) [11:02] :) [11:02] thanks === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] the annoying bit is that volumeid.postinst actually generates a uuid for the new swap partition, but only after /target/etc/fstab has been written [11:03] Mithrandir, i was assuming that, but youre the frozen master ;) === Mithrandir casts a cone of cold on ogra [11:03] muhahaha :-) [11:03] hihi [11:04]

$ sudo parted -s /dev/hda mkfs 4 linux-swap [11:04]

$ sudo vol_id -u /dev/hda4 [11:04] 58a7b66f-ea30-4303-af4c-1493a0525324 [11:04] excellent [11:04] Kamion: ok, go ahead. [11:04] Bah, I should have turned off cron.daily 3 minutes ago. [11:04] Oh well. === ogra knows mdz will be unhappy about the next -meta upload ... but it was so tempting ... [11:05] ogra: ...? [11:05] infinity: I was just thinking that :( [11:05] infinity, i dropped gcc and headers for a quick size reduction [11:05] i dont know where else i should free up 4M right now [11:06] infinity: can you force an immediate publisher run when this one finishes? [11:07] Mithrandir: Of course, and was planning on it. [11:07] thanks. [11:07] mvo_: cool I got it working [11:07] zyga: rock! [11:07] parted uploaded === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Hi all in an effort to reduce CD size.... [11:09] I believe I can shave 2Mb+ [11:09] by making the gnome system or whatever is responsible play oggs for system sounds === Chipzz [i=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [11:09] we are currently using well over 2Mb [11:09] the new sounds I have made are around 300-400Kb [11:10] just wondered if anyone knew if thiswas a possiblilty as ogg is supported OOTB [11:13] cbx33: sounds reasonable; can you talk to Frank Schoep about that? [11:14] ok sure [11:14] I'm in close contact with him anyway [11:14] mvo_: pull from suxx.pl/~zyga/command-not-found to get mirror script [11:14] cbx33: great === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] zyga: pulling [11:17] mvo_: i386 alone is 14GB of data [11:18] it will take almost a day [11:20] zyga: I can run it on a ubuntu machine, you could just mirror a tiny bit (e.g. pool/main/a) to test the stuff and then we just run the full extraction on a different machine === Chipzz [i=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [11:21] mvo_: I'm pulling the whole bit anyway, I won't have time to work on this till I get home [11:21] I'm at work ATM === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.150.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] zyga: ok :) [11:21] extracting section is easy, we'll just make a number of databases (edgy-main.db and so on) [11:22] checking which is enabled might be more tricky [11:22] (or does apt already know) [11:23] sould alternate be able to install onto lvm just now? [11:25] zyga: we have a "aptsources" module in update-manager should should be able to give us this information [11:25] zyga: initialy ist may just be enough to display the section (if not main) and check if the package is installable/available and display a message if not to enable the componenet [11:26] zyga: we will probably need to add architecture information to the db as well [11:27] mvo_: right [11:27] mvo_: how about: $DIST-$ARCH-$REPO [11:27] and just pick the set currently used (multiarch might benefit) [11:27] so we get lots of files [11:28] cnf-data will probably grow a bit [11:28] sounds good [11:29] doko: erm why was a python-gst0.10 b-d needed for gstreamer0.10? [11:29] mvo_: this way we won't waste space on storing i386 a bazillion of times [11:29] Mithrandir: did you start a kubuntu livefs build? [11:31] hmm, I apparently forgot about cdrom-detect in no-more-devfs === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.150.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] doko: i don't think it's a good idea to have gstreamer0.10 b-d on itself :/ === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc66.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] Riddell: They all failed -- kubuntu-live is uninstallable. [11:46] qtparted: Depends: libparted1.6-13 (>= 1.6.24) but it is not installable [11:46] Riddell: qtparted needs a rebuild with the new libparted, looks like. [11:47] Riddell: Can you do a test build, make sure it works, and upload for that? [11:48] infinity: doing === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] should d-i be able to install to multiple lvm partitions? neither knot-1 or todays daily do [11:51] Riddell: yeah, but my ssh session timed out, for some reason. :-/ [11:52] Riddell: they seem to have finished, but I'll check that they're all complete. [11:52] Mithrandir: See a few lines up. [11:53] infinity: gah. [11:53] Mithrandir: You do check that your builds actually work, right? ubuntu-amd64 seemed broken too. [11:53] infinity: yes, I tend to do that. [11:54] the health checks will kick off shortly anyway ... [11:54] Gah, and that's why amd64 failed. === infinity kicks some builds. [11:55] seaLne: sorry, maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet, but could you elaborate? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:57] Kamion: i was trying to install with todays alternate to multiple lvm partitions (root usr var tmp) aswell as a normal boot and swap partition, the install fails during install base [11:58] seaLne: ok, I'll give that a try in a moment === mvo [n=egon@p54A6585C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@mail.openadvantage.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Kamion: the fact that it also fails on knot-1 makes me think its not just a problem with todays daily [11:59] Kamion: kubuntu, but i don't think that will make any difference for this [12:00] no, it wouldn't [12:00] I haven't tested LVM since the big merge from Debian in Edgy, so it could well be broken === geser [n=michael@85.25.105.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] sda1 = boot, sda2 = swap, sda3 = lvm (root usr var tmp) [12:01] created from scratch in d-i, or pre-existing? [12:01] (the lvm vg) [12:03] currently pre existing, i think i could have done them with d-i? but i didn't see that when i first tried earlier today, let me know if their is anything i can test as its a new machine with nothing on it [12:04] extracting the log files and putting them somewhere might speed up the fix; use 'save debug logs' from d-i's main menu [12:05] i tried that but it tried again to do base install [12:05] did you get back to the main menu at all? [12:05] i think it is creating devices it is failing on but it dosen't quite show enough [12:05] yes, to get to save logs [12:05] weird, save-logs doesn't depend on base-installer [12:06] well, 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' from tty2 and you'll be able to copy off the logs [12:06] with scp [12:06] ah strange changed dir to /tmp and it saved them fine === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] "unknown user 0" for scping [12:08] knot-1 or current? [12:09] works for me with the current daily, was known breakage in knot-1 [12:09] ah i think i might have knot-1 in just now sorry [12:10] "dmsetup: not found" is the error before it fails [12:10] could not find package lvm2 :) === surge [n=jono@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] sorry give me a few minutes to reburn daily used the same cdrw === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-f8c3f2f58a351f9a] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] oh, did we move lvm2 to supported instead of ship? [12:14] silly mdz === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2A05E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0842.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] slomo: see #385439 === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] seaLne: ok, should be fixed for the next or possibly the next-but-one build, depending on exactly how long my seed change takes to propagate [12:22] seaLne: thanks for the report === _stefan_ [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.182.186.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] seaLne: (problem was that lvm2 et al had been removed from standard without making them available for the installer to use) === _stefan_ is now known as sistpoty === paracetamolo [n=paraceta@81-174-12-172.f5.ngi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:25] seaLne: oh, hmm, I may have spoken too soon, the error is a little weirder than that === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] seaLne: no, should be fine. indecisive, moi? :) [12:26] I think the dmsetup error is spurious === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0842.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === webben [n=webben3@82.152.242.13] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] seb128, Hi [12:46] hi nags [12:46] lunch timme, bll [12:46] Riddell: Err, were those kde-i18n uploads required for Kont-2? [12:46] seb128, sure, meet you later [12:46] Riddell: If so, I'll push them through. [12:46] nags: feel free to ask your question if you have one ;) [12:46] I'll reply when I'm back [12:47] seb128, nothing special, its been long days, since I said hi, so ;) [12:47] seb128, In Mozilla accessibility hackfest LDTP is one of the important agenda - FYI - http://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility_Hackfest_2006 [12:48] is it true that irssi is being removed from install? === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] gnomefreak: sounds feasible, and yes things are being removed [12:49] already has been [12:49] supported: * irssi [12:50] timestamp: Mon 2006-06-19 09:48:28 -0700 [12:50]