[02:17] <Laser123454321> How do i enable support for backlight on a Toshiba Satalite in Ubuntu 6.10
[02:21] <Redrose> hello all!
[02:21] <Laser123454321> hey can you help me with this?
[02:21] <Laser123454321> How do i enable support for backlight on a Toshiba Satalite in Ubuntu 6.10
[02:23] <Redrose> I can help you laser
[02:23] <Laser123454321> yes please
[02:24] <Redrose> rebuild your kernel
[02:24] <Laser123454321> is that it?
[02:24] <Laser123454321> i thought there was native support
[02:24] <Redrose> not unless it was built into the kernel originally
[02:25] <defendguin> when does knot 2 get released?
[02:28] <crimsun> late this week
[02:31] <defendguin> you think testing it with the live CD would be enough?
[02:31] <crimsun> "enough" for what use cases?
[02:31] <defendguin> working out this craptastic audio bug
[02:31] <crimsun> which audio bug?
[02:32] <crimsun> and it's unlikely. Edgy's audio support trails Dapper's unless you're speaking of the aoa driver.
[02:32] <defendguin> the one where normal sound is fine but when i play a dvd the volume is below normal unless i put on my headphones
[02:33] <crimsun> you can test that right now if you compile alsa-driver 1.0.12 yourself
[02:33] <crimsun> doesn't matter if you use warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, or edgy
[02:33] <defendguin> id rather not mess with the packaging system
[02:34] <crimsun> did you mean you'd "rather not compile anything"?
[02:34] <crimsun> there's no reason you couldn't use any live cd and recompile alsa-driver 1.0.12
[02:35] <defendguin> ill just install edgy in my 4 gig diagnostic/restore partition
[02:36] <crimsun> if you're paranoid, just use a live cd
[02:36] <defendguin> its not like im ever going to resotre this laptop to the way the factory shipped it
[02:37] <defendguin> restore*
[02:40] <defendguin> and i need to get hibernation working
[02:40] <crimsun> sorry, I'm quite far from an acpi guru, though there is someone [whose client is]  present who is much closer to that
[02:41] <defendguin> how many knots will there be?
[02:41] <crimsun> "as many as there need to be"
[02:41] <mjg59> Hi
[02:41] <mjg59> Did someone say acpi?
[02:41] <defendguin> lol
[02:42] <mjg59> I'm been chasing up hibernation stuff
[02:42] <mjg59> It ought to work better under edgy
[02:42] <defendguin> mjg59: yeah hibernation hasn't worked for me since beta 6 in dapper
[02:42] <mjg59> (Yes, I realise that I've said that sort of thing before)
[02:42] <mjg59> It's utterly fucked in edgy right now
[02:42] <mjg59> Ought to improve with the new kernel
[02:43] <crimsun> hopefully in knot 3 I suspect.
[02:43] <defendguin> :(
[02:43] <defendguin> mjg59: when you say new kernel what version number did you mean?
[02:44] <mjg59> -7
[02:45] <defendguin> i don't suppose edgy is going to get an accelerated X
[02:46] <defendguin> when mark said they were going to take some chances with this release thats the first thing that came to mind but i havent seen anything of it 
[02:47] <crimsun> ..."an accelerated X"?
[02:48] <mjg59> X has always been accelerated
[02:49] <defendguin> sorry 
[02:49] <defendguin> Xgl is what I mean
[02:49] <mjg59> Oh
[02:49] <mjg59> Xgl is in edgy
[02:49] <mjg59> But aiglx is in main
[02:50] <defendguin> what do you mean main?
[02:50] <defendguin> dapper?
[02:50] <mjg59> No
[02:50] <mjg59> The main distribution
[02:50] <mjg59> Rather than universe
[02:50] <defendguin> ahhh
[02:50] <defendguin> i c
[02:52] <defendguin> it should work out of the box or do you have to hand configure it?
[02:53] <mjg59> It works out of the box
[02:54] <defendguin> sounds good.  I never saw a lot of tutorials for setting it up in dapper if you had an intel graphics card
[02:55] <defendguin> everything was nvidia or ati related
[02:57] <defendguin> well as soon as knot2 is released i'll grab it then start my bug reporting
[03:01] <defendguin> mjg59: how can i tell what is happening when i try to hibernate but it never hibernates.  It just looks like it is going down then comes right back up
[03:02] <mjg59> defendguin: dmesg may be helpful
[03:04] <defendguin> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/40471   notice my last comment here
[03:06] <mjg59> dmesg may be helpful
[03:12] <defendguin> mjg59: ok i added an attachment with the dmesg output
[03:13] <defendguin> swsusp: Not enough free swap     i guess this is my answer
[03:14] <mjg59> Yup
[03:14] <mjg59> Should be improved in edgy
[03:14] <defendguin> i have an even 500 mb of swap
[03:15] <defendguin> 512MB of system memory
[03:16] <defendguin> mjg59: does your swap space need to be bigger than the system memory for hibernation to work?
[03:16] <mjg59> It depends on how much memory you're using
[03:17] <defendguin> that sounds pretty crappy.  
[03:18] <defendguin> so if i add another 512 stick there is no way my laptop will hibernate
[03:18] <defendguin> i don't want to bash anyone but in windows or mac i don't think this problem exists
[03:21] <mjg59> Macs don't hibernate
[03:21] <defendguin> really?
[03:22] <defendguin> seems hard to believe 
[03:26] <defendguin> Up until recently, Mac users didnt have a similar Sleep mode which required no power. When Apple announced new PowerBooks in October 2005, it also introduced Safe Sleep to Mac OS X, an extention to Sleep mode that allows for hibernation without power.
[03:30] <defendguin> so i guess they do now have hibernation
[04:26] <eod_punk> hello all
[04:41] <tritium> When is the ETA for Knot 2?
[04:42] <eod_punk> no one is around
[04:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: pretty soon, tomorrow or the next day
[04:48] <tritium> Burgundavia: great, thanks.  Good to know I am not behind ;)
[07:19] <Redrose> anyone alive here?
[09:06] <jnjb> hello
[09:06] <Nailor> hi there
[01:23] <malice> ? I just installled ubuntu onto my laptop and it does not seem to show the correct charge left on the battery. Does anyone know of a help site that would point me into the right direction?
[01:23] <Nailor> What laptop?
[01:24] <malice> Dell Latitude C540
[01:25] <Nailor> Um. Can't say a thing about that one. :p
[01:25] <Nailor> Does it show the correct charge left on some other operating system (like Windows)
[01:26] <malice> I dont't know I got this used and the old battery did the same thing I just got this about 4 days ago.. so I got a new battery and it is doing the same thing. :)
[01:27] <malice> I deleted windows as soon as I got it.
[01:27] <Nailor> Well the sensors might be busted
[01:28] <malice> hehe that would explain the nice cheap price :)
[01:28] <malice> oh well I will have a lap top that I can plug in everywhere I go then
[01:36] <Nailor> oh, the battery is not loading either?
[01:42] <malice> it loads from time to time if I take it out put it in a few times then ubuntu sees the battery
[05:28] <Linuturk_code> http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/08/30/defcon2006_janus_project/ << read that article and note what OS he uses
[09:09] <Linuturk_code> knot2 is scheduled to be released today, right?
[09:09] <Simira> I think it's up tomorrow
[09:36] <tmh__> what does that really mean?
[09:37] <tmh__> do I have to dist-upgrade at the exact moment knot 2 is "released"?
[09:37] <Linuturk_code> yes, the exact milisecond, or the universe will collapse in on itself
[09:47] <tmh__> no, I just won't have "knot 2"
[09:48] <tmh__> seriously, is there like an APT tag I can use to anchor to that release? or what does "knot" really mean? that most devels concentrate their efforts just before?
[09:49] <crimsun> a knot is a snapshot of the main component
[09:49] <crimsun> err, of the main and restricted components