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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe (mysqlclient) | http://tinyurl.com/pghsw (motureviewers) | [Edgy MoM] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU
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(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I just realized that you advocated kchmviewer, thanks !05:19
(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) NP05:19
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I done the fixes that you & daemon suggested05:19
(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) Ah, cool05:20
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I just re-uploaded it & I would appreciate reviewing it again05:20
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: who is daemon btw ?05:20
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) what is his nick I mean05:20
(AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: oh btw, did you have a look at archmage ?05:20
(bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) AnAnt: Not again yet no. Sorry, RL job is killing me the last couple of days :-(05:20
AnAntwhat is RL job ?05:20
AnAntRL=real life /05:21
AnAnt?05:21
bddebianAye05:21
AnAntI'm on a vacation since 2 weeks, hence I am doing a lot of packaging work :)05:21
AnAntwell, I'm supposed to study for masters actually05:21
AnAntanyways, I got a question05:22
AnAntdaemon said that I should use Conflicts in the control file05:22
AnAntdoes that mean that I should also remove the Replaces: ?05:22
AnAntor I can have both?05:22
bddebianYou can have both05:24
AnAnthere's his comment: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=291305:24
bddebianI think05:24
AnAntok, thanks05:25
AnAntbddebian: oh, what did you mean by new python policy ?05:25
welshbytehttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html  (replaces, conflicts)05:27
welshbytehttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy (new python policy)05:28
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AnAntoh05:29
AnAntbddebian: what if I can't fix that python policy thing  ? is it a problem ? note that I am not the one who originally did packaging, and I dunno much about python05:30
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tortoise_I'm part of ubuntu-universe-contributors but I keep getting rejection emails when i dput.  Can anyone lend a hand?05:38
AnAnttortoise_: emails ?05:38
AnAntping bddebian05:38
shawarmatortoise_: Where are you dputting to?05:38
lionelptortoise_: did you get a REVU admin updating gpg keyring ?05:39
tortoise_shawarma: Upload package to host ubuntu05:39
tortoise_lionelp: uh..wha??05:40
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lionelpREVU gpg keyring need to be updated with your key before you can upload anything05:40
shawarmatortoise_: You're supposed to dput to REVU.05:40
shawarmalionelp: Isn't that done automatically these days?05:41
lionelpI don't think so05:41
tortoise_lionelp: my gpg key is on launchpad05:41
lionelpit was not the case the day before yesterfay05:41
lionelptortoise_: yes05:41
lionelpping raphink05:41
raphinkyop lionelp05:41
shawarmalionelp: Ah. Then I'm mistaken.05:42
lionelpdoes a REVU admin need to upate manually REU keyring before someone can upload ?05:42
tortoise_so how do I get the REVU keyring updated?05:44
lionelpraphink, are you still there ? :)05:44
raphinkquite05:51
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raphinktortoise_: need  refresh of the revu keyring?05:55
tortoise_raphink: yeah, please05:55
raphinkalirht05:55
raphinkupdating05:55
raphinktortoise_: updated06:01
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neutrinomassajmitch: bug 5521 can be closed, right ?06:09
UbugtuMalone bug 5521 in pyx "pyx: merge new debian version" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/552106:09
shawarmaneutrinomass: It appears so, yes.06:11
neutrinomassThought so as well but better safe than sorry :)06:12
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Sp4rKyhi again motu06:23
fbond|awaySp4rKy, when you are creating symlink, why does the file already exist?  Is the existing file not a symlink?06:25
Sp4rKythe file doesn't exist :/06:26
fbond|awayoh nm06:26
fbond|awayyou are symlinking the wrong way06:26
fbond|awayyou are doing ln -s file1 file2 when you want ln -s file2 file106:27
fbond|awayln: File exists <-- ln disagrees with you06:27
Sp4rKyyou think ?06:28
fbond|awayyes, are you familiar with ln?06:28
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fbond|awayI'm not sure which way it's supposed to be (i.e. I don't know which file is supposed to be the real file, and which is supposed to be a symlink), but you definately can't symlink the way you're trying to06:28
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fbond|awayalso, it looks like you are building version 0.0.1 of that library, but the .so file has 0.0.0 on the end... I'm not sure if that is correct?06:29
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bddebianHeya LaserJock06:43
LaserJockhi bddebian06:44
Arbiterneed one more review/advocate for kcmpureftpd http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=298106:47
Arbiter06:47
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neutrinomassbddebian: Should your bug 56536 be marked as a dupe of bug 32169 ?06:50
UbugtuMalone bug 56536 in mythtv "[debian-multimedia]  mythtv 0.19-0.10" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5653606:50
UbugtuMalone bug 32169 in mythtv "Update to .19" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3216906:50
bddebianArbiter: I'll try to get through some reviews tonight06:55
bddebianneutrinomass: I would rather see 32169 marked as a dupe of mine since mine is a specific sync request subscribed to the archive admins06:56
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Arbiterbddebian, thank you 07:00
ArbiterHobbsee alredy did some initial review07:00
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j00barhowdy -- looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics and trying to set  up my chroot environment, pbuilder seems to be querying debian's servers, not ubuntu's...07:01
j00baris my /etc/apt/sources wrong?07:01
j00barshould --othermirror instead be --mirror?07:01
tortoise_dcut07:02
j00bartortoise_ -- eh?07:03
tortoise_sorry wrong window focused07:03
j00bark.07:03
welshbytej00bar: maybe check your /etc/pbuilderrc file for references to debian's repositories07:04
j00baryeah -- just saw that.07:04
j00bari overrode it with --mirror "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"07:05
j00barit's working now.07:05
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welshbyte.e pokes any reviewers with 5 minutes to spare :)09:13
welshbyteoops09:13
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welshbytehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=299809:14
vilgeser: hello, I would like to talk about bug #57732 in launchpad. would you have few minutes for me?09:15
UbugtuMalone bug 57732 in eclipse-pydev "[Edgy]  Rebuild for libgcj7 -> libgcj7-0" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5773209:15
LaserJockzul: when are we gonna get knot2? huh? huh? ;-)09:15
zulLaserJock: heh..09:15
geservil: yes, i have09:16
vilI would like to know if there is anything I can do about it. unfortunately, I do not have upload rights, so I cannot include your nice fix.09:17
geserAs I also don't have upload rights, I'm waiting for someone from the universe sponsor team to upload the fix09:19
LaserJockhmm09:20
lotusleafdoes backports need another person helping?09:21
LaserJocklotusleaf: hmm, I have no idea09:22
LaserJocklotusleaf: you might as the backports team09:23
lotusleafLaserJock: thx09:23
vilgeser: ook, then. that's it, thanks09:23
zulyou might want to talk to jdong09:23
lotusleafzul: k thx ;)09:23
lotusleafdoes motu need extra ppl?09:25
zulalways09:25
lotusleafdo we need to dedicate ourselves to a certain program or does it matter09:26
LaserJockdoesn't matter09:26
lotusleafcool09:26
lotusleafhow active is the mailing list for motu09:26
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zulirc is more active09:26
LaserJockdepends on your definition of active as well09:27
lotusleafzul: excellent09:27
lotusleafLaserJock: well, where most of the conversation takes place, most frequently09:27
lotusleafwhere does one get started? Do I need to cram a motu page @ ubuntu.com ?09:30
lotusleafdebain packaging docs, etc?09:30
zulpretty much..09:31
lotusleafsounds good09:31
LaserJock!packagingguide09:31
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources09:31
lotusleafdebian*09:31
lotusleafawesome, thx09:31
LaserJockgeser: I'm sponsoring your upload as soon as I verify that it builds09:31
geserthanks09:32
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LaserJockI'm trying to buy some motorized optical mounts09:52
LaserJockand the controllers all come with ActiveX UIs09:52
zulheh...you said mount..09:56
bddebianOh, CoC, COC...09:56
LaserJockof for goodness sakes09:57
LaserJock*oh09:57
LaserJockI guess I better not show pictures09:57
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Nafallolol09:59
LaserJockwell, I found some motorized pint-sized mounts and some flipper mounts09:59
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welshbytehm can someone remove pybackpack from REVU for me? I've decided it's not ready to go into universe yet10:02
LaserJockwelshbyte: email the archive admins10:04
welshbyteokie dokie10:04
bddebianwelshbyte: Hey, aren't you supposed to be working on maxima? ;-P10:06
welshbytewho, me? :)10:06
welshbytebddebian: i meant to ask...10:07
welshbytebddebian: wxmaxima seems to not have that bug in edgy10:07
welshbytealthough it doesn't actually do anything at all when you type 1+1; into it10:07
bddebianHmm, I thought someone told me that it was still there10:08
LaserJockgeser: ping?10:08
LaserJockwell10:08
LaserJockI assumed it was just a different manifestation of the same bug10:08
LaserJockdapper version = can't connect, gives error10:08
LaserJockedgy version = can't connect, just sits there10:09
geserLaserJock: does it build?10:09
LaserJockgeser: yes, but I don't quite understand where there was a problem in the first place, what dep  changed?10:09
welshbyteLaserJock: yeah that's what i'm seeing. i don't see how it can be the same bug though10:09
LaserJockwhy?10:10
welshbyteor, i haven't seen any proof that it's the same bug yet10:10
LaserJockI swear when I hit "restart maxima" (or whatever it's called) I see a "can't connect" type error flash by10:10
geserLaserJock: libgcj7 got renamed to libgcj7-0 and eclipse-pydev needs to be rebuild to pick up the new name10:11
welshbyteah yes10:11
LaserJockgeser: but I dont' see any dep on libgcj710:11
LaserJockah, hang on10:12
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LaserJockeclipse-pydev-gcj is the problem10:12
geseryes10:12
LaserJockhmm, I'm still not seeing the dep in the binary though10:13
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geserthe current one depends on libgcj7 which is done10:13
welshbyteLaserJock: but on edgy, maxima is still running after that, and after you type in 1+1; whereas on dapper it actually makes maxima shut down/crash10:14
bddebianw00t10:14
geserthe rebuilt one depends now on libgcj-bc which depends on libgcj7-010:14
welshbytei should probably take ethereal to it to see if wxmaxima is talking to maxima ok on edgy10:15
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LaserJockgeser: ahh10:16
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welshbytes/ethereal/wireshark/ i see10:18
geserI should've edited the changelog to name the right package name after a rebuild10:18
LaserJockso it went from deping on libgcj7 to deping on libgcj-bc?10:20
geseryes10:20
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geserI expected it to depend on libgcj7-0 when I created the the changelog entry10:21
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sistpotyhi folks10:24
AnAntis daemon@poleboy.de here ?10:24
sistpotyAnAnt: yes, what's up?10:24
dholbachAnAnt: that's sistpoty :)10:24
crimsunhe's right there.10:24
bddebianHeya sistpoty10:24
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sistpotyhi bddebian, dholbach, AnAnt10:24
AnAntsistpoty: I fixed the kchmviewer issues (added the Conflicts: field) and re-uploaded it10:25
sistpotyAnAnt: ok, will take a look10:26
AnAntsistpoty: thanks10:26
AnAntbddebian: you still tied up with work ?10:27
sistpotyAnAnt: btw.: does it fix any of the kchmviewer bugs? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kchmviewer/+bugs10:27
AnAntdunno, lemme see10:28
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AnAntsistpoty: I dunno what is meant by "when trying to run a chm file"10:29
sistpotyAnAnt: I dunno either ;)... maybe you could ask the submitter about that?10:31
sistpotyAnAnt: any reason you keep the replaces line in the control file?10:32
AnAntsistpoty: hmmm, I didn't know wether to remove it or not10:33
Nafallowhere else to put it? :-)10:34
sistpotyAnAnt: usually that's used if a new library (as in new soname and thus new package name) ultimately replaces the old library...10:34
AnAntsistpoty: ok, so I remove the replace10:34
sistpotyAnAnt: I'm not 100% sure if there isn't any special apt treatment for this... does anyone know?10:34
vildoko: hi doko, this is Vladimir. I made some changes to the eclipse source you showed me. I'd like to say it builds without errors, but I can't.10:35
AnAntsistpoty: as for the bug about opening from removable media, I tried to open from flash disk, and it worked10:35
vildoko: It's just to lengthy. Isn't there a machine I could use to build it? I gues ... no :)10:35
sistpotyAnAnt: then you should also add something like (closes: lp #bugnumber) to the changelog10:36
trappistwhat's the right way to make a package install, say, etc/terminfo/E/Eterm, when it currently builds it but doesn't install it10:36
sistpotyAnAnt: (but that's just for information, you'll still need to close the bug by hand after the package has been uploaded and built on all arches)10:36
AnAntsistpoty: well, how do I know that the packaging is what done that10:36
vildoko: Also, is there a place, where could I publish it?10:36
AnAntsistpoty: maybe it's the code in version 2.6, I dunno10:36
sistpotyAnAnt: it seems like that's the code in version 2.6, so you should add that after the "new upstream release" entry (but I'm just guessing there)10:37
dokovil: sorry, no, no x86 or amd64 machine; I could offer you access to a sparc box.10:37
AnAntoic, good idea10:37
AnAntsistpoty: there's nothing in the changelog mentioning those bugs btw10:38
AnAntsistpoty: I mean the software's ChangeLog, not the package changelog10:39
vildoko: this will be next step :) I just wandered if alioth does not offer something.10:39
AnAntsistpoty: besides, I only use the kchmviewer-nokde10:39
AnAntsistpoty: as I don't have KDE installed here10:39
sistpotyAnAnt: if you're unsure, then don't mention it... but once the package is compiled, you could ask if the submitter if the bug is still present in the newer package ;)10:39
AnAntok10:40
trappistvil: I can get you on an amd64 box10:40
trappistvil: it's a dapper box though10:40
AnAntactually I'm not sure about any of the bugs10:40
vildoko: I will try to prepare a debdiff and send it to other people in that post.10:40
AnAntbut I'm really suspicious about the bug that says that kchmviewer crashes when opening any CHM file10:40
AnAntI've been using it since v1.3, and I never seen that !10:41
dokovil: are you registered as an alioth user?10:41
sistpotyAnAnt: maybe freeflying can give you some hints there ;)10:42
AnAntanyways, that's on PPC, maybe that's the problem ? I'm using a centrino (i386)10:42
AnAntwhat is freeflying?10:42
sistpotyAnAnt: freeflying is the submitter of the bug10:43
AnAntoh10:43
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AnAnthow is Kubuntu different that Ubuntu ?10:47
lotusleafAnAnt: it has KDE instead of Gnome10:47
hubAnAnt: default to KDE10:48
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sistpotyping segfault10:57
trappisteterm ships with and builds its own terminfo file, but our package doesn't install it, and it needs to (imho).  what's the right way to accomplish that10:57
sistpotyerm... what's a terminfo file?10:57
AnAntis there anyone here willing to review a package called "acon" ? it needs another advocate !10:59
sistpotyAnAnt: I'll put it to my queue ;)10:59
trappistsistpoty: like /lib/terminfo/E/Eterm10:59
trappistsistpoty: that one is "wrong", installed by ncurses-base10:59
trappisteterm wants to install his in /etc/terminfo, which will fox the problem I'm trying to fix and not conflict with anything11:00
trappists/fox/fix/11:00
AnAntsistpoty: thanks11:00
AnAntsistpoty: you know about library packaging ?11:01
sistpotytrappist: sorry, don't have a clue on that... :/11:01
sistpotyAnAnt: a little bit ;)11:01
AnAntsistpoty: I am packaging a new library called fsplib11:01
AnAntit installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. So I made fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*11:02
AnAntyet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs ! anyone knows what may cause that ?11:02
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sistpotyAnAnt: not quite sure... maybe it should be debian/tmp/usr/lib/* instead?11:05
AnAntsistpoty: you mean in the *.install files ?11:06
sistpotyAnAnt: yes11:06
AnAntsistpoty: I think I tried that, but can try again11:06
AnAntbtw, I have something to suggest, but not sure if that is the correct place11:07
AnAntcan't there be a virtual "cron" package ?11:07
AnAntthere are multiple cron software , Vixie, anacron, fcron11:08
AnAntthe problem is that ubuntu-desktop depends on anacron11:08
AnAntand anacron conflicts with fcron11:08
AnAntnow, what if a guy (like me in that case) decides that he wants fcron ?11:08
AnAntin that case, he will have to remove anacron & hence ubuntu-desktop11:08
AnAntif there was some virtual package (like mail-transport-agent) that the ubuntu-desktop would depend on, that would be better11:09
crimsun...which is perfectly acceptable since ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, not a requirement that one _must keep it_11:09
sistpotyhm... and this should be fixed with ubuntu-desktop only recommending the packages instead of depending on it, iirc11:10
crimsunthe idea is that if you've installed fcron (from universe), it's unsupported anyhow, and the removal of ubuntu-desktop is simply another manner of reflecting that11:10
AnAntcrimsun: aha, one maybe it is not a requirement, but its info says: "However, it is recommended that you keep it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade transitions (such as adding new packages to the system)."11:10
AnAntcrimsun: hmmm, ic11:11
crimsunAnAnt: yes, it has always been recommended to reinstall ubuntu-desktop prior to dist-upgrades11:11
trappistcrimsun: you happen to know the answer to my question?  the right way to get a package to install, say, /etc/terminfo/E/Eterm (it gets built, just not installed)11:11
crimsuntrappist: debian/rules: dh_install(1) or cp/mv/blah11:11
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trappistcrimsun: so there's not a debhelper specific to something like that, just dh_install it.  thanks.11:13
sistpotyhey, crimsun, you are core-dev, right? could you eventually give me an ack for my main sync req at bug 58046? *beg* ;)11:14
UbugtuMalone bug 58046 in sdl-image1.2 "please sync sdl-image1.2 [main]  (1.2.5-2) from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5804611:14
AnAntthanks anyways11:14
crimsunsistpoty: done, thanks.11:16
sistpotyyeehaa, thanks crimsun!11:16
crimsunnp11:16
sistpotythanks for also subscribing archive ;)11:17
crimsun:)11:17
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vildoko: I'm sorry, my laptop went crazy11:19
vildoko: where did we end?11:19
dokovil: are you registered on alioth?11:22
viltrappist: thanks for your offer, do you think that it would be possible to use pbuilder there?11:22
vildoko: yes: vladimir-guest11:22
trappistvil: yep11:22
trappistvil: you want to email your ssh pubkey to grasshopper@linuxkungfu.org ?11:22
dokotrappist: can you create an edgy chroot on this machine11:22
trappistor I can get it off your lp page11:22
viltrappist: I want, I will11:23
trappistdoko: a 64bit edgy chroot?11:23
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dokotrappist: doesn't really matter, if 32 or 64 bit (just that vil has an edgy environment)11:25
trappistI'll upgrade my 32bit chroot to edgy11:25
trappistwill take a little time11:25
dokotrappist: thanks11:26
viltrappist: thanks, too11:26
trappistnp11:26
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vildoko: I guess, you packaged libmx4j because of eclipse dependencies, right?11:29
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dokovil: yes, but it doesn't build11:30
vilbecause of rmic, I tried11:30
trappistthe dist-upgrade is in progress.  I'm about to leave work, but it's running in a screen.  I'll keep you posted.11:31
dokoahh, I remember11:34
lotusleaftrappist: did you jump the mdk ship? I used to see you active in the mdk channel years ago11:35
trappistlotusleaf: sure did :)11:37
lotusleaftrappist: :) ha! good, such knowledge as yours belongs on the good ship ubuntu ;)11:37
trappisthaha thanks11:38
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Goshawkhi, is there any pbuilder guru here?11:43
trappistvil: I haven't received your ssh key.  should I be looking for it?11:43
viltrappist: in a minute11:44
vilcould you please repeat the address...11:45
trappistgrasshopper@linuxkungfu.org11:45
viltrappist: sent11:46
trappistvil: ok I'm just about out of here, I'll set it all up tonight and ping you11:47
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trappistwhere tonight means the next 3-5 hours11:48
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viltrappist: thanks a lot, I will look tommorow. Going to sleep soon11:50
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trappistk, g'night11:50
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ryanakcais there any "convention" or "proper" way to name a patch?  03-simple-readme.patch like, what number? number-patch.patch ... how do you select "number"12:01
tsengis theresomething up with xorg /radeon?12:02
crimsunlexical ordering, ryanakca.12:02
tsengas in failing to stasrt12:02
ryanakcacrimsun: so.. 01, 02-, 03-, etc?12:02
crimsunryanakca: you can decide what order has what meaning12:03
crimsunjust document it12:03
crimsunI normally summarise what the patch does12:03
ryanakcatseng: what? radeon cards? mine works fine12:03
ryanakcacrimsun: kk, ty12:04
tsengmine starts a few times12:04
tsenggets a cursor even12:04
crimsune.g., 01_fix-broken-mmap.dpatch12:04
ryanakcakk, ty12:05
ryanakcatseng: you radeon card doesn't work iiuc? what kind is it? Radeon 9200SE?12:05

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