[01:15] <pygi> hello all
[01:17] <LaserJock> hi pygi 
[01:17] <pygi> hey LaserJock 
[01:18] <LaserJock> pygi: how the Edubuntu Handbook going?
[01:19] <pygi> LaserJock, bad
[01:20] <pygi> sadly :-/
[01:21] <LaserJock> yeah, kinda figured
[01:22] <pygi> LaserJock, Hedge very busy with personal life, me the same + libburn stuff, none contributing
[01:22] <pygi> but me and Hedge will probably write it, somehow
[01:42] <mhz> LaserJock: re EHB, I will be able to upload what I have written about Edubuntu for lighter usage needs during this weekend
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:29] <LaserJock> hi
[03:29] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock
[03:29] <jsgotangco> how's it going
[03:30] <sbalneav> Hey dudes.
[03:30] <sbalneav> Stuck at work :(
[03:32] <LaserJock> hi
[03:41] <sbalneav> Whew.  Finished.  I'll be back on in a bit once I get home.
[03:41] <sbalneav> bbl
[07:53] <cbx33> does dist-upgrade work for a dapper to edgy upgrade?
[07:53] <highvoltage> works for me
[07:53] <cbx33> ok cool
[07:54] <cbx33> I have to get my box ready so I can test my patches to pessulus
[08:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, i'm guessing I should do an apt-get upgrade of the old system first?
[08:07] <highvoltage> i just do a dist-upgrade
[08:08] <highvoltage> i think that includes upgrade
[08:08] <highvoltage> oooh, seems like ltsp-login-and-session-handling will very safely make it into dapper
[11:22] <highvoltage> # PING!
[11:23] <RichEd> shhhh highvoltage : I'm working ... catching up time lost to telkom ADSL motherfaqqers
[11:25] <cbx33> wooooh highvoltage 
[11:25] <cbx33> my ears are hurting now
[11:37] <cbx33> how do i force upgrades that have been kept back
[11:37] <cbx33> I'm doing an upgrade from dapper to edgy
[11:37] <cbx33> there are lots of python upgrades
[11:37] <cbx33> and xserver upgrades
[11:37] <cbx33> highvoltage: what did you do?
[11:48] <highvoltage> i just manually said apt-get install packagenames
[11:48] <highvoltage> copied and pasted it in
[11:48] <highvoltage> but there's probably a better way :/
[04:06] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:08] <rodarvus> hi sbalneav 
[04:08] <pygi> hello
[04:08] <sbalneav> Hey rodarvus!
[04:08] <sbalneav> Morning pygi 
[04:08] <pygi> sbalneav, hey hey:)
[04:08] <sbalneav> pygi: You're the one doing libburn stuff, yes?
[04:09] <pygi> sbalneav, indeed :P
[04:10] <sbalneav> So, let me put a bug in your ear, nothing pressing at the moment, but a problem we'll want to solve down the road.
[04:11] <pygi> sbalneav, oki, how may I help you? :)
[04:11] <sbalneav> We're ultimately going to want to be able to put burners on thin clients.  
[04:11] <sbalneav> Which means, implementing iscsi somehow within the new libburn.
[04:11] <pygi> oh, yes, ogra was talking about network aware library built-in into LTSP
[04:12] <sbalneav> Perfect.
[04:12] <sbalneav> Like I say: off in the future.
[04:12] <pygi> you do I was never working on something like that, right? :)
[04:12] <pygi> you do know*
[04:12] <sbalneav> Oh, I thought you were actually developing libburn.
[04:12] <pygi> I am, I am lead developer :)
[04:12] <sbalneav> Ah!
[04:13] <sbalneav> OK
[04:13] <pygi> Never messed with integrating library with LTSP or something
[04:13] <ogra> pygi, so listen to your potential users then :)
[04:13] <pygi> ogra, ofcourse, ofcourse :)
[04:13] <ogra> we dont need a extra lib :) 
[04:14] <pygi> what's the current plan? when is this scheduled for implementation?
[04:14] <sbalneav> Hmm, I'm assuming the iSCSI protocol's documented somewhere.
[04:14] <sbalneav> pygi: Well, I would assume AT LEAST a release after libburn gets into ubuntu, and becomes standard.
[04:15] <pygi> sbalneav, ok, libburn will be in ubuntu in edgy :)
[04:15] <sbalneav> heh, we'll then, I'd assume we'd TALK about it for edgy + 1 and see if it's possible.
[04:15] <ogra> imagine something like the --public and ESPEAKER= options of esd for libburn :)
[04:15] <sbalneav> s/we'll/well/
[04:16] <pygi> sbalneav, it will be possible if you don't need dvd burning support, -tao, and multisession 
[04:17] <pygi> anyway, you know you can  count on me for help
[04:17] <ogra> you run libburn on both ends ... on the client (where the actual HW is) you run it with the --public option ... in the users session it runs with something like --actual-hw=12.13.14.15:1234
[04:17] <sbalneav> What wouuld probably be a GOOD option, would be to develop a generic iSCSI library, independent of libburn, then just the wrapper bits to tie the two of them together.
[04:18] <pygi> sbalneav, I'm willing to help and even provide home under libburn umbrella for such a iSCSI library
[04:18] <pygi> ogra, hm, right
[04:19] <sbalneav> Hmm.  Well, I'll do a bit of research this weekend, maybe, and try and wrap my (tiny, little) mind around the problem.
[04:19] <pygi> sbalneav, great :)
[04:19] <sbalneav> Being able to burn cdroms on thin clients would be schweeet.
[04:21] <ogra> yeps
[04:21] <pygi> sbalneav, ogra , I assume we'll have to do some playing with libisofs as well then, or shall you make sure that the user provide iso image?
[04:22] <sbalneav> That could be the starting point, and then improved upon later.
[04:22] <sbalneav> pygi: Where are you located?
[04:22] <ogra> well, we could mae sure the iso is created before burning ... as a poor mans solution (since it will eat /tmp space)
[04:22] <pygi> sbalneav, Croatia, Europe
[04:22] <pygi> ogra, that might be for first implementation, true
[04:23] <pygi> for second, I would suggest we exploit libisofs efforts
[04:23] <sbalneav> pygi: Hey, you know of a fellow who goes by the handle Neuralis?  Ivan Krystic (sp)?  He's done a lot of work for the children's hospital there
[04:24] <pygi> sbalneav, I don't know him in person, but yes, I know him
[04:24] <sbalneav> Good friend of ours.
[04:24] <sbalneav> Smart.
[04:24] <pygi> right ^_^
[04:26] <sbalneav> Well, I think the next conference is going to be in Los Angeles somewhere (thats the rumour anyway).  Even if you can't make it in person, if you can stay up to some odd hours, we should be able to at least chat via some kind of voip magic.
[04:27] <sbalneav> ogra: We going to be doing the teamspeak thing again?
[04:27] <pygi> sbalneav, and when is the conf.?
[04:28] <ogra> sbalneav, no idea
[04:28] <sbalneav> In November at some point, I think
[04:28] <ogra> it was quite disappointing last time i think
[04:29] <sbalneav> Right.  I think we should just be able to pull in one or two people via asterisk and egika.
[04:30] <pygi> ogra, perhaps, but if I could come that would at least allow us to discuss
[04:30] <pygi> not that we can't discuss it this way also too :P
[04:30] <sbalneav> sure
[04:30] <sbalneav> http://linux-iscsi.sourceforge.net/
[04:31] <sbalneav> iscsid
[04:31] <sbalneav> hmm
[04:32] <pygi> seems to be in active development
[04:33] <pygi> sbalneav, this seems weird
[04:34] <pygi> linux-iscsi suggests open-iscsi for kernels .11+, but open-iscsi suggested they merged in 2005
[04:34] <sbalneav> :)
[04:34] <sbalneav> Confusing.
[04:34] <pygi> yes, very :P
[04:35] <pygi> now I gotta run, you sort out the confusion pls :P
[04:35] <pygi> talk to you later :)
[04:36] <sbalneav> :)
[04:36] <sbalneav> Cheers
[05:55] <jsgotangco> yay I see knot 2 when i am drunk
[05:56] <ogra> heh
[05:58] <jsgotangco> shouldn't take more than an hour, downloading now
[05:59] <TeePOG> good evening
[06:03] <TeePOG> i need to ask a question, and I am busy reading the docs but I need the answer in the next 5 minutes: How do I use KDE as the default WM in the teminal server boot? I have kubuntu-desktop installed, and the LTSP boot works, but it goes only to Gnome
[06:05] <ogra> TeePOG,  sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[06:05] <ogra> select kde there
[06:05] <TeePOG> thanks very much ogra
[06:05] <ogra> :)
[06:06] <TeePOG> i need to demo the system to a dyed-in-the-wool *doze manager... i need the "sameness" factor which would sway him
[06:14] <TeePOG> thanks ogra... it worked! would have been nicer to use kdm instead of gdm as well, but i can always change that later
[06:15] <ogra> thin clients dont use gdm 
[06:15] <ogra> its ldm ... and since kdm isnt capable of doing ssh tunnels you cant easily exchange them
[06:15] <TeePOG> well, the login manager looks like gdm's login screen...
[06:15] <TeePOG> ohhhhh ok
[06:16] <TeePOG> nm then
[06:16] <ogra> there is a theme dir ... you can make a theme that matches kdm more closely
[06:16] <ogra> look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/
[06:16] <TeePOG> oh ok
[06:16] <TeePOG> thanks
[07:03] <TeePOG> does anyone know whether the website www.getautomatix.com is down?
[07:04] <Burgwork> TeePOG, no idea, but I recommend you use EasyUbuntu. It is much saner that automatix
[07:05] <TeePOG> hmmm, i have had great success with Automatix, but my hand is forced by the website's apparent down-ness
[07:05] <TeePOG> thanks Burgwork
[07:05] <Burgwork> you are lucky then
[07:07] <TeePOG> i don't install absolutely everything! just that I need Gaim 2.0 beta 3.1 now, as gaim 1.5 is crashing on access to MSN
[07:08] <TeePOG> and the Swiftfox package really is faster than the normal fox
[07:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[07:16] <pygi> sbalneav, you solved the confusion or should we mail them? :)
[07:20] <Burgwork> http://launchpad.net/bugs/58487
[07:20] <TeePOG> easyubuntu is better than I remember it, but it's a pain that it has no progress report... at least Automatix has an xterm window to show you what's going on
[07:51] <pygi> ogra, do you know if sbalneav sorted out the confusion? :)
[09:41] <pygi> sbalneav, poke? :)
[11:40] <neurogeek> !seen mhz
[11:40] <ubotu> I last saw mhz (n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz) 21h 47m 30s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[12:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[12:10] <pygi> hey ho bddebian :)
[12:10] <bddebian> Hello pygi
[12:10] <pygi> how is you? :)
[12:10] <bddebian> OK, thx. You?
[12:10] <pygi> fantastic, thanks :)
[12:10] <bddebian> Wow, that good eh? :-)
[12:12] <pygi> yup :)
[12:12] <TeePOG> tell me, why would wget not use my proxy settings that every other program seems to get?